I still kind of question Anakin's feelings for Padme. Alot of times in the clone wars series, he seemed really possessive of Padme. True love isn't posessesive or jealous, it's patient and kind. Also, yes. Anakin needed a therapist to sort through the emotional trauma of his childhood.
@@Quinntus79 Doesn't help that he desperately craved affection, especially after his mother died. Sometimes, I feel like it was pity Padme felt for Anakin.
@@sambridgers9543 The age difference probably didn’t help either. They were both technically adults in Attack of the Clones, but Anakin was nineteen and Padme was twenty-four. In a lot of respects, Anakin was still a reckless and impulsive teenager, while Padme was a full grown adult.
"Love will save you" is such a brilliant quote since it not only summarizes the Prequel and Original Trilogy (Luke saved his father) but it also foreshadows the end of the game where Revan's love of Bastilla brings her back to the Light.
Let's please also not forget FemRev and Carth's romance where Carth tells her "You have this huge destiny waiting for you and I fear if you're alone, it could swallow you whole. I want you to make the right choice. I want to give you a reason to". I always thought it was such a beautiful line of the same sentiment.
Jolee is what Luke should have become in the new canon, an enlightened Jedi who would learn from the pitfalls of the previous incarnation of the order and make something much better.
Jolee is exactly what Luke became in the old canon, an enlightened Jedi who learned from the piftalls of the previous incarnation of the order and makes something much better.
Dunno why. People have so many preonceptions....most of the the original trilogy wouldn't comply with that sort of expectation based on the movie before.
Hey, you probably won't read this, but I am exactly the same with so many aspects of this game. I got so many life lessons from this game. It literally opened my mind from a very young age. It also taught me English.
me too, KOTOR helped me a lot with learning English, and a replay of both games taught me a lot of philosophical things in my adult life. I'm thankful for the group of people that brought this masterpiece to us.
I skipped a lot of the dialogue when i played it for the first time since it was boring, looking back at it now i've regretted doing so and i'm binge-watching kotor and kotor2 dialogue clips now that i know how much you can learn from them. Edit: and yeah i didn't really understand the philosophical values back then since i was just a kid and english is not my native languange.
_"Let me tell you something. Once you've lived as many years as I have, you'll have yourself a long, long list of memories. If you're lucky, most of them will be good. If you're not, some will be bad. If you're really unlucky, some will be so bad you never want to be reminded of them again... ever. You'll go far away, to a place that doesn't hold any memories at all. And there you'll be happy just to forget and be forgotten."_ Holy crap, Jolee predicted the plot of TLJ :3
Jolee Bindo, the reason Revan married Bastilla and why they didn't go evil again. This non-Jedi did a lot of good. Honestly, he is the best grey Jedi I've ever seen.
@Shaythe Not really. Jolee is sort of an example of what JEDI actually is. The Jedi we see in SWTOR, the Order recreated by Meetra Surik, and also the New Jedi Order founded by Luke Skywalker.
He even gives you advice on how to deal with your "passions" and emotions that stem from them in relation to love and how it fits into its relationship with The Force.
Jolee bindo is by far one of the wisest Jedi masters to live. Yes, a master. He wasn't so nieve as many Jedi are trained to be. He saw past the teaching of the Jedi, which were right and wrong, but reached close enough to the Darkside to know what was truly good and bad.. Jolee, if you only met Anakin Skywalker... My goodness. This man is wiser in some ways then Yoda, Obi-wan, the council itself... I played this game in gr.10 in 2008/09. To this day I crave playing this game. If only I could replay this for the first time!!! This game was THAT GOOD.
Knights of The Old Republic is a great Star Wars game. I played this game, when I was in 6th grade. Ah the memories. I was in middle school and that was fun times. I like Middle School better than High School, because it is more funner.
i'm playing KotOR since i was a child(4-5 years old) and i liked this game because of the gameplay and characters, now i love this game because of it's story and the characters (i'm going to be graduated from school soon), this game is just perfect and timeless
Passion, obsession, possessiveness-these emotions lead to fear, envy, and rage. Love, true love, is without obsession, without the need to possess the other.
Jolee Bindo and Luke Skywalker would’ve been good friends. His morals and teachings are not dogmatic and narrow minded like the Jedi of the modern Republic. Had he led Yoda’s Jedi Order, the Purge never would’ve happened.
I remember when I first played this game and got to this, marveling at how this random video game character appeared to have greater wisdom then Yoda by a mile the Jedi force you to suppress your most basic thoughts and instincts, indoctrinating kids at such a young age that they have no attachments what did they expect? A lot of people criticize Hayden Christensen’s acting and I do believe that there is merit in it, but I like his performance nonetheless because it portrays someone who is clearly emotionally stunted Jedi feel emotions much more than normal people. They repress them their entire lives, and when something truly impactful happens and they feel them they have no idea how to deal with them.
this should be strong evidence the so called Grey Jedi was just a Jedi. If you choose the darkside path, Jolee will literally confront you and despite your revan saying that everything he's doing is Gray, Jolee argues that it isn't right, and that real grey's still SERVE the light.
Exactly! The amount of people that take Revan as a gray jedi annoys me so much. "Grey Jedi" are just Jedi that remember they are also people. They dont use the dark side as a "balance"
They did, about 4000 or so years later. It's called Order 66. By that point they'd become so corrupted by centuries of stagnation, the only way to change them was to wipe the slate clean and start over with someone who was never raised to think like they did.
The first reply is dumb as hell. They were reformed immediately after KOTOR 2 by Bastila Shan and Meetra Surik and her disciples. After this, romantic attachment was permitted in the Order, provided you were able to moderate your passion, as Jolee mentions here.
how many times do i need to address this meme... passion is a necessary component of love and it cannot be controlled.. what can be controlled is our reaction to how that makes us feel.. limit the severity of it to avoid harming others beyond their pain threshold in circumstances that warrant it..
Wiser than the entire Jedi Order. In the end, he was right. Vader is an example. No matter what Sidious did, Vader still had good in himself. That good was his love for Padme. Not even loosing all his limbs and living a life of constant pain could kill that love.
The philosophy of Luke Skywalker's jedi order is the same philosophy of the old jedi order before Exar Kun and Ulic-Qel Droma which really was more pragmatic.
The Republic era Jedi are not dogmatic. Also, I think you forget that the Jedi are reformed immediately after KOTOR 2, when they begin to allow romantic attachment provided you can manage your passions as Jolee mentions here.
@@romanwagner8709 Still, it was the wrong lesson. I'd have much preferred to see Luke add his own text to the writings, applying the lessons he's learned in his own life to create a more complete picture of the Force.
Utter BS, considering Bindo's love caused him to train his lover who clearly was not in the mindset to be a Jedi, was nearly killed by his lover, and then let her go when he could have stopped her, indirectly causing the death of many Jedi and his crazy beloved. He would have been better off and others would still be alive if he never loved at all.
He literally said that controlling your passions is an important part of not letting love lead you to the Dark Side. The tragedy of Jolee's love affair came about not because he loved someone but because of arrogance and lack of foresight due to being blinded by his passions. Even Anakin's love only led to such a violent outcome because he was manipulated by a Sith Lord. Independent of Sidious's manipulations, his relationship would not have led him to the Dark Side.
@@ArvelDreth Not a counterpoint considering even though Bindo controlled his passions, his lover did NOT. How can anyone talk of loving being some salvation when theirs caused so much trouble?
@@EmptyMan000 I don't think he did. He trained someone who was not well-suited to be trained, while he himself was not ready to be a teacher. If she had never gotten mixed up in all that Jedi business she wouldn't have turned to the Dark Side.
Jolee: Someone blast me already! Me: Did when joined "Dark Side" - was kinda in the middle anyway, so no massive flip. Of all people he was the one who should had understand, but no old man finally lost it - I was even against him joining me, he did it anyway.
Kriea has a higher understanding of what Jolee has learned. They are of similar molds. If anything Jolee would consider Kriea to be a worthy mentor to other Jedi. These two understood that, like EU Luke, that you should teach people how to truly live for themselves without being utterly selfish.
Kreia is a bitter hag who hates the force but relies on it, loves independence and self-reliance up until the point where it doesn't suit her myopic purposes, and fluffs up her hatred for other Sith and Jedi with philosophical masturbation. Basically, she's a Sith with delusions of moral authority. Jolee is the cool mentor who people should look up to. Also, if the two ever met, I'd bet they'd hate each other's guts.
JXZX1 that’s the point of her character. She represents the greatest failure of both the Jedi and the Sith. Her purpose is to mold you into something better by pushing you. She never once lies to you. She wants you to learn from her mistakes. If you don’t then her only choice is to break the cycle and kill the Force.
0:44-0:49 What? No, they don't. I mean, I don't know about the Jedi of this generation, but none of the Jedi during the movies have ever preached that. It's attachment that they forbid; love is actually encouraged.
@@grimlord3181 - ASJ didn't say that's what attachment is. He said love and attachment are inseparable, and he's right. If you truly love someone or something, you will inevitably form some level of attachment to that person or thing. You will begin to need and rely on them to some degree, and it will hurt once they're gone. If it didn't, then you probably didn't truly love them.
@@Kryptic1046 Truly loving someone is also knowing when to let go of them; that is the opposite of attatchment. As I've already explained, attatchment would be trying to keep them at all costs, or taking your pain out on others when you no longer have it.
Anakin needed a Jolee in his life.
That would've been Qui-Gon Jinn, had he survived his duel with Maul.
You know what else he needed? A therapist.
I still kind of question Anakin's feelings for Padme. Alot of times in the clone wars series, he seemed really possessive of Padme. True love isn't posessesive or jealous, it's patient and kind. Also, yes. Anakin needed a therapist to sort through the emotional trauma of his childhood.
@@Quinntus79 Doesn't help that he desperately craved affection, especially after his mother died. Sometimes, I feel like it was pity Padme felt for Anakin.
@@sambridgers9543 The age difference probably didn’t help either. They were both technically adults in Attack of the Clones, but Anakin was nineteen and Padme was twenty-four. In a lot of respects, Anakin was still a reckless and impulsive teenager, while Padme was a full grown adult.
"Love will save you" is such a brilliant quote since it not only summarizes the Prequel and Original Trilogy (Luke saved his father) but it also foreshadows the end of the game where Revan's love of Bastilla brings her back to the Light.
Love is the answer to the darkness.
Let's please also not forget FemRev and Carth's romance where Carth tells her "You have this huge destiny waiting for you and I fear if you're alone, it could swallow you whole. I want you to make the right choice. I want to give you a reason to". I always thought it was such a beautiful line of the same sentiment.
Jolee is what Luke should have become in the new canon, an enlightened Jedi who would learn from the pitfalls of the previous incarnation of the order and make something much better.
Instead we got a dude who stares and drinks Titty milk
He did in the Legends continuity.
Jolee is exactly what Luke became in the old canon, an enlightened Jedi who learned from the piftalls of the previous incarnation of the order and makes something much better.
Dunno why. People have so many preonceptions....most of the the original trilogy wouldn't comply with that sort of expectation based on the movie before.
I remember being little and hearing this. changed my whole outlook on what love is.
Hey, you probably won't read this, but I am exactly the same with so many aspects of this game. I got so many life lessons from this game. It literally opened my mind from a very young age. It also taught me English.
me too, KOTOR helped me a lot with learning English, and a replay of both games taught me a lot of philosophical things in my adult life. I'm thankful for the group of people that brought this masterpiece to us.
I skipped a lot of the dialogue when i played it for the first time since it was boring, looking back at it now i've regretted doing so and i'm binge-watching kotor and kotor2 dialogue clips now that i know how much you can learn from them.
Edit: and yeah i didn't really understand the philosophical values back then since i was just a kid and english is not my native languange.
And how do you look at it now?
It's official Jolee Bindo is one of my most favorite star wars characters
Advice for Yoda and Windu and the Jedi Council.
Forget Windu and Yoda! Jolee Bindo 4 Grand Master!
Probably the distant ansester of Mace Windu!
Yoda and Windu didn't forbid romantic attachment in the Jedi Order.
_"Let me tell you something. Once you've lived as many years as I have, you'll have yourself a long, long list of memories.
If you're lucky, most of them will be good. If you're not, some will be bad. If you're really unlucky, some will be so bad you never want to be reminded of them again... ever. You'll go far away, to a place that doesn't hold any memories at all. And there you'll be happy just to forget and be forgotten."_
Holy crap, Jolee predicted the plot of TLJ :3
It scary right.
Which is obviously wrong
Jolee Bindo, the reason Revan married Bastilla and why they didn't go evil again. This non-Jedi did a lot of good. Honestly, he is the best grey Jedi I've ever seen.
When Jedi puss so good you can’t go back
He’s basically the founder of what being a Gray Jedi means.
Got some grey hairs too
@Shaythe Not really. Jolee is sort of an example of what JEDI actually is. The Jedi we see in SWTOR, the Order recreated by Meetra Surik, and also the New Jedi Order founded by Luke Skywalker.
Jolee Bindo condensed the life of Anakin Skywalker in a single sentence.
He even gives you advice on how to deal with your "passions" and emotions that stem from them in relation to love and how it fits into its relationship with The Force.
Not just Anakin Skywalker every single sentient being who has to deal with "love" and these emotions Jolee are describing.
"Whose's not even a jedi." That's why we listen to you Jolee!
Jolee is a wise jedi. He's a jedi no matter what he says
He's a True Jedi, not like those posers on the Council.
I personally disagree. He is just an old ass man with some decency.
...And experienced when it comes to controlling his emotions perfectly.
Jolee is wiser than whole Jedi Order
How?
@@curzon9619base 15 wisdom and 15 charisma. Highest base wisdom stat in the game. He’s literally built different.
Well this certainly helps me recover from my break up xD thanks Jolee! :)
Heya. Hope you’re doing alright out there.
@@CloudyWolf713 I’m doing great right now! Thanks!
@@lobcity49 That’s good. ^_^
Jolee bindo is by far one of the wisest Jedi masters to live. Yes, a master. He wasn't so nieve as many Jedi are trained to be. He saw past the teaching of the Jedi, which were right and wrong, but reached close enough to the Darkside to know what was truly good and bad..
Jolee, if you only met Anakin Skywalker... My goodness. This man is wiser in some ways then Yoda, Obi-wan, the council itself...
I played this game in gr.10 in 2008/09. To this day I crave playing this game. If only I could replay this for the first time!!! This game was THAT GOOD.
Knights of The Old Republic is a great Star Wars game. I played this game, when I was in 6th grade. Ah the memories. I was in middle school and that was fun times. I like Middle School better than High School, because it is more funner.
i'm playing KotOR since i was a child(4-5 years old) and i liked this game because of the gameplay and characters, now i love this game because of it's story and the characters (i'm going to be graduated from school soon), this game is just perfect and timeless
Best teacher ever in all of star wars i would love to see him talk to Anakin
The kind of master Anakin needed
"Let me tell you something" and music starts. 0:02 secs and i already in love with this
Yoda was wise in many ways, but he fell short in this department.
Jolee was a complete legend
I hate you old man is one of my favorite replies in any game
The Qui-Gon of the Old Republic (in terms of philosophy)
An incredible Jedi, regardless of what he may call himself.
This is still canon to me
I love the dialogues written for this game. Simply unmatched
For a man who never surpassed the rank of padawan... Jolee was probably one of the best teachers Revan ever had.
Jolee was one of my favorite Old Republic characters he was very wise but also realistically human
He's often The Old Man Comical Relief but has a lot of wisdom.
Passion, obsession, possessiveness-these emotions lead to fear, envy, and rage. Love, true love, is without obsession, without the need to possess the other.
No one dislike that, he's speaking *truth*
I love how revan takes on these teachings from jolee and applies it to his love with bastila/who ever love interest revan in your headcanon chose
This…has this been the advice that Yoda gave to Anakin instead of the “Fear leads to suffering” garbage, the future could have possibly been averted.
Jolee Bindo and Luke Skywalker would’ve been good friends. His morals and teachings are not dogmatic and narrow minded like the Jedi of the modern Republic. Had he led Yoda’s Jedi Order, the Purge never would’ve happened.
Jolee Bindo is an underrated character
I remember when I first played this game and got to this, marveling at how this random video game character appeared to have greater wisdom then Yoda by a mile the Jedi force you to suppress your most basic thoughts and instincts, indoctrinating kids at such a young age that they have no attachments what did they expect? A lot of people criticize Hayden Christensen’s acting and I do believe that there is merit in it, but I like his performance nonetheless because it portrays someone who is clearly emotionally stunted Jedi feel emotions much more than normal people. They repress them their entire lives, and when something truly impactful happens and they feel them they have no idea how to deal with them.
Yoda wants to know your location...
this should be strong evidence the so called Grey Jedi was just a Jedi. If you choose the darkside path, Jolee will literally confront you and despite your revan saying that everything he's doing is Gray, Jolee argues that it isn't right, and that real grey's still SERVE the light.
Exactly! The amount of people that take Revan as a gray jedi annoys me so much.
"Grey Jedi" are just Jedi that remember they are also people. They dont use the dark side as a "balance"
The jedi order badly needed a reformation.
They did, about 4000 or so years later. It's called Order 66. By that point they'd become so corrupted by centuries of stagnation, the only way to change them was to wipe the slate clean and start over with someone who was never raised to think like they did.
The first reply is dumb as hell. They were reformed immediately after KOTOR 2 by Bastila Shan and Meetra Surik and her disciples. After this, romantic attachment was permitted in the Order, provided you were able to moderate your passion, as Jolee mentions here.
Imagine if Jolee stayed and reformed the jedi
0:28-0:43 take notes nice guys/incels
Jolee one of the wiset game characters made!
Thanks anime avatar man
@@spurgear it's not from an anime but you're not too far off.
It makes a lot of sense actually
*BEFORE* you start talking in riddles?!
Who wrote this dialogue? It's quite wise.
Jolee is to the jedi, what cass is to the NCR
You can get Cass to oppose the NCR completely.
Loved his character :) too bad it wont be remastered or remade :(
Jolee Bindo = #BasedJediMaster
2021 - 2 dislikes: Mace Windu and Yoda
Mace Windu is my favourite MUTHAFUCKN JediMaster
I say that with respect of course
Better be jedi in everything than name than to be jedi in name only xD
how many times do i need to address this meme... passion is a necessary component of love and it cannot be controlled.. what can be controlled is our reaction to how that makes us feel.. limit the severity of it to avoid harming others beyond their pain threshold in circumstances that warrant it..
Ah, Jolee. Sometimes, the outsiders have more answers than the wisest of teachers.
4,000 years too early
Wiser than the entire Jedi Order.
In the end, he was right.
Vader is an example. No matter what Sidious did, Vader still had good in himself. That good was his love for Padme.
Not even loosing all his limbs and living a life of constant pain could kill that love.
Jolee, Revan, Anakin, Obi Wan and Luke are the best Star Wars characters
Best game ever.
The Je'daii (and Luke's new Jedi Order i guess) kind of had this philosophy and that's why i prefer them over the more dogmatic Republic era Jedi
The philosophy of Luke Skywalker's jedi order is the same philosophy of the old jedi order before Exar Kun and Ulic-Qel Droma which really was more pragmatic.
The Republic era Jedi are not dogmatic.
Also, I think you forget that the Jedi are reformed immediately after KOTOR 2, when they begin to allow romantic attachment provided you can manage your passions as Jolee mentions here.
@@curzon9619 I was talking about clone wars era republic jedi, the Exile's jedi order also thought like the two groups I mentioned.
@@sukitron5415 Well, even the Clone Wars era Jedi are not particularly dogmatic. People just seem to think they are, but the argument for it is poor.
0:43
Joel should have been a Jedi master.
Why couldn't the sequels have quality writing like this?
Because nerds who liked Star Wars for years didn't write it!😂
“Nope”
This is why I cheered when Yoda destroyed the Jedi writings in episode 8.
Well, I guess there was one good scene in that dumpster fire.
@@romanwagner8709 Still, it was the wrong lesson. I'd have much preferred to see Luke add his own text to the writings, applying the lessons he's learned in his own life to create a more complete picture of the Force.
Utter BS, considering Bindo's love caused him to train his lover who clearly was not in the mindset to be a Jedi, was nearly killed by his lover, and then let her go when he could have stopped her, indirectly causing the death of many Jedi and his crazy beloved. He would have been better off and others would still be alive if he never loved at all.
He literally said that controlling your passions is an important part of not letting love lead you to the Dark Side. The tragedy of Jolee's love affair came about not because he loved someone but because of arrogance and lack of foresight due to being blinded by his passions.
Even Anakin's love only led to such a violent outcome because he was manipulated by a Sith Lord. Independent of Sidious's manipulations, his relationship would not have led him to the Dark Side.
@@ArvelDreth Not a counterpoint considering even though Bindo controlled his passions, his lover did NOT. How can anyone talk of loving being some salvation when theirs caused so much trouble?
@@EmptyMan000 I don't think he did. He trained someone who was not well-suited to be trained, while he himself was not ready to be a teacher. If she had never gotten mixed up in all that Jedi business she wouldn't have turned to the Dark Side.
Jolee: Someone blast me already!
Me: Did when joined "Dark Side" - was kinda in the middle anyway, so no massive flip.
Of all people he was the one who should had understand, but no old man finally lost it - I was even against him joining me, he did it anyway.
Jolee Bindo > Kriea.
AbsolX Guardian Kreia > Jolee Bindo
Sorry man I had to ;)
Kriea has a higher understanding of what Jolee has learned. They are of similar molds. If anything Jolee would consider Kriea to be a worthy mentor to other Jedi. These two understood that, like EU Luke, that you should teach people how to truly live for themselves without being utterly selfish.
Kreia is a bitter hag who hates the force but relies on it, loves independence and self-reliance up until the point where it doesn't suit her myopic purposes, and fluffs up her hatred for other Sith and Jedi with philosophical masturbation.
Basically, she's a Sith with delusions of moral authority.
Jolee is the cool mentor who people should look up to.
Also, if the two ever met, I'd bet they'd hate each other's guts.
JXZX1 that’s the point of her character. She represents the greatest failure of both the Jedi and the Sith. Her purpose is to mold you into something better by pushing you. She never once lies to you. She wants you to learn from her mistakes. If you don’t then her only choice is to break the cycle and kill the Force.
Influence lost: Kreia
both the jedi AND sith fear love
No they don't.
0:44-0:49 What? No, they don't. I mean, I don't know about the Jedi of this generation, but none of the Jedi during the movies have ever preached that. It's attachment that they forbid; love is actually encouraged.
Attachment and love are inseperable. How can you truly love something and not care if it’s lost to you?
@@asj412 That's not what attachment is. Attatchment is possession; trying to keep it at all costs, or acting out when you no longer have it.
@@grimlord3181 - ASJ didn't say that's what attachment is. He said love and attachment are inseparable, and he's right. If you truly love someone or something, you will inevitably form some level of attachment to that person or thing. You will begin to need and rely on them to some degree, and it will hurt once they're gone. If it didn't, then you probably didn't truly love them.
@@Kryptic1046 Truly loving someone is also knowing when to let go of them; that is the opposite of attatchment. As I've already explained, attatchment would be trying to keep them at all costs, or taking your pain out on others when you no longer have it.
Personally, like Jolee better than Kreia. She always just annoyed me more than anything
That is because they were both grey, but Jolee leaned light side while Kreia leaned dark side.
Jolee > Kreia
Kreia is a true sith. One who would damn existence to nothingness just to kill something she sees as a poison, The Force.
Kreia is "something more" she is a "Destructive Force of Nature"
W
Centrist Bioware nonsense
No
Prob far better life advice than your parents even gave you lol.