Model 3 RWD LFP Charging Rocks! - DCFC Charging Curve Analysis of Five Supercharger Sessions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มี.ค. 2023
- Branden recorded multiple charging sessions in a 2022 Tesla Model 3 RWD LFP and now we get to go over them and see the best way to optimize road trips!
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Great analysis. LFP Model 3 is so under rated.
Nice analysis. It would have been nice if you'd put together a graph of kW vs state of charge, showing all these charging sessions.
Model 3 LFP FTW
It’s good, but our MY RWD is better!
i just got a 2024 model 3 RWD which has LFP so this is helping out!
@@worldtrav72it’s heavier less mpge it’s not better or efficient as the 3 especially road tripping
@@Fumbiii16 I have one of each RWD model. Assuming good density of 250 kW SC, the road trip time between the two is about the same as the MY RWD has the faster charging curve of the MY LR.
Awesome video, I'm glad the car charges so well. I test drove one a few weeks ago.. Plenty of power too, and seemed comfortable, no squeaks or rattles. Thanks for all your work bringing this useful info to us.
It’s an awesome vehicle!
Looks like the LFP is a beast :
SOC kWh added mins
8 - 100% 54 50+ ( @ 34 mins SOC was 90%)
48%-93% 27 23
4%-90% 50 34
15%-56% 24 13
23%-64% 24 13
Thank you for the video !
Nice job Brandon. A graph of all sessions would be helpful. While LFP is more sensitive to temperature than other chems, it at least offers preconditioning… many other EVs do not.
Thank you, Branden ... really good video. I charge my Model 3 LFP mainly at home, but am looking to take a few trips this summer so this video is very helpful.
Such very, very helpful & useful information.
Many thanks.......all the way from London !
Excellent information on the LFP battery charging performance. Model S 100D owner here that only occasionally takes road trips. Great to see the LFP pack is certainly capable of road tripping. 👍👏🏻
Nice job indeed. I have this car, and started off from delivery with a 420 mile trip home. No problem at all. I was a little paranoid about getting below 20%, but I know I shouldn't be. The charging range you suggest makes sense in terms of efficiency. A 10 - 15 minute stop is usually ideal in terms of comfort and getting the car juiced up enough to continue.
I tried to put a plug in to Tesla when they offered the Tesla Supercharger voting to put a version 3 charger between Kamloops, BC and Jasper, AB a very important corridor for all of us that need this route to get form Vancouver to Edmonton AB, let hope Tesla gets with the install!
Great video Branden, if you get a chance maybe next winter you can rent another LFP and run similar test while linking in this test video. I hear the key to the LFP is battery preconditioning. Without it your screwed.
That’s the case with every EV, but yes, LFP is more sensitive than most
Branden we have a number of main highways in BC and Alberta that are not totally Super charge access would be nice to see using the Tesla CCS adaptor examples at both 150 and 350KW chargers sessions.
Was toying with the idea of renting one of these from Hertz for a trip from Florida to Delaware. Currently there is less than a handful of fast CCS chargers operating on the DelMarVa peninsula but many Tesla SuC. Thanks for the various charging curves, gives good ideas for planning stops.
Sounds like a great time to me!
Branden, Great video. You might want to explain the "C" rating you refer to throughout the video. I am not sure that many watching your channel understand what you mean when you talk about adding 1 C.
Makes me glad that my ioniq 5 charges at 1c up to about 88%. Wish I had that efficiency though...
I always over charge on road trips. If you hit a decent headwind, the battery will drop crazy fast. I hate having to turn off the AC and slow down to 50 mph to make it to the next charger sweating bullets.
I constantly am reminded how much I love the charging curve for my Etron. Range is meh but charging is great. Wish the network was better and I would be set!
e-tron curve rocks!
I'm on my 3rd eTron and have completed many multiday road trips with them. Would be nice if the etron had a little more efficiency but the 106 kWh battery in the new Q8 helps a lot.
Branden, great to see the performance, some say not great for colder weather but it has battery preconditioning, so if you use route planing on trips and plug in during the night does that really make any difference?
Yes, preconditioning is critical!
I have read that the margin of error in state of charge of a LFP batteries can be as much is 10% because of the minimal voltage difference. That is why Tesla includes a huge below zero buffer in the model 3 LFP because the SOC might say you are a 10% but you’re really at 0 so they give you a buffer to cover you.
Soooooo helpful:) Thank you @Brandenflasch
@brandenflasch so when do you charge? i charge now at 20% but do you take it lower? because it says at 20 i still got about 130 Kilometers so thats still a far way to drive
Wow big difference between this model 3 LFP to the other model y 4680 video. I thought the 4680 was supposed to be the next best thing
So Branden just to summarize the colder climate we have is no reason not to purchase a Tesla Model 3 RWD in Alberta or BC!
On certain trips I take I like to stop and add 100 miles of range. In my LR I can add 100 in about 9 minutes, so much less than the LFP. I still think this LFP curve is nice, but it slows you down unless you're charging far into the pack, which isn't really needed with the amount of superchargers out there now.
15min vs 9min really isn’t a make or break IMO 🤷♂️
@@brandenflasch I agree, but I was just stating what the LR can do in a stat you mentioned. I bought the LR mainly because I wanted fast acceleration, AWD, and the much better sound system. The LFP is a great deal for those who don't care as much about that stuff.
That makes sense - there are absolutely reasons to go AWD but those are generally wants vs needs
@@brandenflasch Well owning a Tesla in general is a want. We all only need a Chevy Bolt for $20k. I plan to keep my Tesla for a long time, and after degradation sets in I didn't want 200 miles of range. But I bought mine 2 years ago anyways, before LFP was an option. The LFP SR+ is price I paid for LR, so easy for me to say LR.
@@TheAdventureAuto Bolt can’t really road trip given the charge times. LFP is unlikely to degrade much.
while the outside temp prob wasnt an issue, did you notice your preconditioning turning on 30-45m before a stop given only 1 motor to heat up system?
I was doing a fair amount of supercharger hopping so after the initial preconditioning for the first stop of the day, it wasn’t as needed and sometimes didn’t come on at all.
I have never seen my car charging ffrom inside. I think there is a supercharger 1000km down the track. Maybe 2000km!
Would the Model Y AWD (which I believe has LFP batteries) exhibit similar charging behavior?
Model Y doesn’t have LFP
There is at least in Sweden a Model Y LFP, but RWD only and with the same 60 kWh battery as in the Model 3 RWD.
I should have been more specific - it doesn’t exist in North America
Looks like it is good idea only charge to 80% in supercharger since slow down a lot after 83%.
Can charge at home to 100%.
Even that is too slow.
@@brandenflasch I was going to purchase Bolt EUV, Model 3 is like 8 - 10 k more expensive (a lot PROS vs Bolt).. Only reason I go for EV just because the tax credit, that is almost 10k off. I could have gone for ICE car but today's Dealer market adjustment or car price is unbelievable expensive. in US market
Are all the 2023 Model 3s LFP batteries?
No, only RWD
@@brandenflaschthanks.
Hi can i charge 100% for my model 3 rwd.i lost 6 mile when my car at 1800 mile.this is model 3 rwd 2023.right now so confused can you tell me pls ty
Yes, you can charge to 100% daily. Losing miles is normal.
Don't sweat it. My new M3 RWD (3m old) slowly dropped from 272 mi range around 1300 mi to 265 mi range around 2700 mi, all during the 2nd month of ownership. It's been at 265 in the last month. I love the LFP and home charging to 100%. The M3 RWD with the tax credit is a deal!
28 minutes on charging......i don't think so!
No one is forcing you to watch it
@@brandenflasch I didn't watch but thought I should at least tell you why.
You talk too much on a pretty uninteresting subject.....28 minutes about charging. Ya gotta be kidding me!
I have a 2021 M3 Dual and don't mind charging up at all, it's a nice break.
You might consider editing!
Nope, I’ll continue doing the deep dives but thanks for the feedback
More and more charging stations give penalty fees after 80% battery charge
No, none of them do.
@@brandenflasch in Europa yes ;-)
Not in NA 😉
@@brandenflasch lucky you ;-)