Exactly. Savage behaving like he's in the pub, not on a TV show where most ppl want to enjoy listening to an interesting conversation. Wasted opportunity - get a polite, intelligent footballer on instead
This video just shows how incredibly punctual, calm, professional and thick skinned Howard Webb and mirrors exactly why he went to the very top his profession. It also shows how much of narrow minded weasel Savage is and why his career granted a very mere mediocre career at best, oath of a man
Savage is seeing the giving of cards purely as punishment as opposed to thinking about how refs want to manage the game. Webb is coming from the perspective of not wanting to book players unless it's necessary, whereas Savage is so lacking in fair play spirit that he sees fouling as a tactic
I like Webb alot more now, every time he speaks he makes alot of sense to me. I totally understand the yellow card situation and I agree with it. Savage is being dumb. if he "smashes" Ince in the first, it's a yellow regardless. Webb is talking judgement calls.
+danielgalea Yes of course, but in his biggest match on his biggest day he bottled the obvious red card, more's the pity, it just means I can't personally really respect his opinion, it carries much less weight sorry sigh
+James Gonzalez well ok thats up to you. but would you take mourinho/Guardiola football opinion less respectfully because they failed? both have failed before, even in big stage.
This is an interesting topic. Just wish Robbie Savage would shut up and stop interrupting so we could hear what Howard Webb had to say about it, because that's what's interesting. We've heard former players and pundits talk about stuff like this for years but it's quite rare, at least where I'm from, to hear what actual referees think about stuff like this.
Webb explains the difficult situation refs are often in really well here, the grassroots game is losing refs all the time because they have to deal with jumped up Sunday morning manager dads on the sidelines and 14 year olds on the pitch who follow the example. We need to respect the ref alot more than we do.
+tdyerwestfield If you use one game to encompass and entire career, you are a complete moron. Try using that for players or coaches. Judge them on one game, or one decision. No one would stand up to that scrutiny.
Dustin Edwards I'm not. He just said that refs need to manage games otherwise you have 14 yellow cards in a game and yet he did exactly the latter in the 2010 World Cup final.
Savage has a point, but in the first minute the referee may not know for sure if a particular tackle was reckless, as he doesn't know the temperature of the match.
If the players cant control themselves, send them off. Ref is here to protect the players, not the entertainment value. Send them off, they will learn eventually. Will make the game cleaner and reduce referee influence.
I think Robbie is just trying to be devils advocate or yes he is seeing it from a players point of view - totaly agree with how Howard web thinks apart from that other Bald ref in Italian I think , Howards one of the best
problem has an easy solution, introduce a 10 min sin bin. also only captains allowed to talk to referee as in Rugby Union, and introduce 10 metre rule for dissent at free kicks.
What annoys me is the lack of consistency in referee decisions. I've seen plenty of games when a player commits a foul in the middle of the pitch and gets booked. Then a few minutes later a player on the opposition team will commit a similar foul in a similar area and get away with it. Countless times.
Probably because the referee has a different angle /view on each challenge, and sees one as reckless and one as careless, so one a yellow, one just a free kick.
Maybe savage needs to actually referee a game himself and see the difference it makes to just give a warning to then have the behaviour stop or pull a yellow straight out to then have the players firstly annoyed and then EVERY similar infringement must be a yellow card. Before he argues with a world class referee he should pull on a referee shirt and give it a go. Much like me arguing with a world class coach about his coaching technique when I have never coached a game before
As one of the tweets that appears on screen says - it's not the referees job to 'manage' a game, they are there to apply the laws of the game from the first minute to the last, end of. Anything else, and the term 'game management' sounds extremely like trying to interfere with the result to me.
First, he was the referee in 2010 final, second, he didn't send off De Jong for a criminal kick on Xabi Alonso, so he doesn't know how to book a player.
And this video shows of why Webb got to the very top and was involved in a World Cup final, whilst Savage won bugger all and got to a relegation battling Orem team at best! Bit of a difference! 😂
he got directives to make sure he doesn't give any red cards to netherlands in the final becuase spain were to dominant that year. but he finally had to give a second yellow late in the match.
Referees can be so inconsistent, yes, so can players, those dodgy passes, that lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, or putting a team mate in a situation where they feel they have to put a tackle in that can potentially get them a yellow. But it's all about the ref being inconsistent.
This Savage boy is mad. Compare Webb and savage's careers. Man is talking over a top all time referee and is taking it in like a lunatic! How come is he even allowed in this kind of interviews?
Howard Webb is right that the skill of a referee is in managing the game, but how rarely does it happen that they do manage the game correctly today? It doesn’t happen, with VAR and with the attitude of the English referees at the moment there isn’t any managing going on. The game is a complete farce in terms of officiating at the moment and the current group of referees in England can’t control a game of football. Oliver, Dean, Mason, Moss, Coote etc. - they’re incapable of showing the emotional flexibility to manage a game of football. They’re too arrogant and rigid in their thinking to control the game - football is in a real state in terms of officiating at the moment. Webb makes some good comments on bookings etc. but there are problems with his view on them also. I’ve always found that the referees don’t see the bigger picture with bookings; they should know who will face a ban if booked, the state of league positions, conditions of play etc. Recently John Egan was a booking away from suspension prior to Sheffield United playing Manchester United away the next game, with around 5 minutes to go and 3-1 down he was booked for winning the ball. It wasn’t a foul and the referee got it wrong, but he booked the player. The game was finished and the foul given wasn’t correct, but the referee gave a booking. That’s a huge error which loses all control of a game - every Sheffield United player at that point is angry and frustrated for the remaining 5 minutes of a game which is already finished, the coaching staff is livid and most irritating of all - the referee could not have been sure it was a booking. The replay showed it was a fair tackle and so the referee could not be sure that it ought to be a booking; he wanted to slow the game down and keep the players from making strong challenges with the game about to finish - he achieved the opposite. If he had known Egan would miss the next game he would likely have chose not to book the player when it wasn’t a challenge worthy of a booking. Decisions like that are wrong and unfair because the referee is trying to manage a one off game without any knowledge of the greater consequence of his decision/s. Thankfully Sheffield United actually won the game at Manchester United without their best player, but the issue remains in the referee’s thinking.
I only watched 4 minutes then I had to puke. It should be the player's responsibility to not get red carded and hurt his own team. The rules are pretty bad about what exactly is a yellow card and what is not but the same foul should be the same punishment trough the whole game.
Robbie Savage ruined what could of been a great interview. As always he’s desperate to be argumentative and force his point across. BT please get someone more intelligent and interesting for shows and punditry. I can’t stand listening to him.
Yellow is a Yellow. This is where TV is runing football. Worried about spoiling the game. If players know theyll get booked or sent off they wont play dirty.
When you invite such an interesting guest, maybe not talking over him all the time would be a good idea?
Howard Webb needs to be challenged because what he’s saying it rubbish. Good job.
Ignorant, idiotic response. Webb is among THE top 10 Officials on the planet.
Howard Webb came across really well here in my opinion. Savage not so much.
Exactly. Savage behaving like he's in the pub, not on a TV show where most ppl want to enjoy listening to an interesting conversation. Wasted opportunity - get a polite, intelligent footballer on instead
This video just shows how incredibly punctual, calm, professional and thick skinned Howard Webb and mirrors exactly why he went to the very top his profession. It also shows how much of narrow minded weasel Savage is and why his career granted a very mere mediocre career at best, oath of a man
And your career?
@@99humz Classically ignorant response.
Robbie Savage making a ref popular in the comments...a true magician he is.
Savage is seeing the giving of cards purely as punishment as opposed to thinking about how refs want to manage the game. Webb is coming from the perspective of not wanting to book players unless it's necessary, whereas Savage is so lacking in fair play spirit that he sees fouling as a tactic
Let Howard talk ffs.
Spot on from Webb. I have always tried to officiate and manage games like Webb and Clattenburg.
Disregard the world cup and you'll be fine
I like Webb alot more now, every time he speaks he makes alot of sense to me. I totally understand the yellow card situation and I agree with it. Savage is being dumb. if he "smashes" Ince in the first, it's a yellow regardless. Webb is talking judgement calls.
watch the world cup final, violently assault someone and it's just a yellow card
+James Gonzalez
everyone makes mistakes *Shrugs*
+danielgalea Yes of course, but in his biggest match on his biggest day he bottled the obvious red card, more's the pity, it just means I can't personally really respect his opinion, it carries much less weight sorry sigh
+James Gonzalez
well ok thats up to you. but would you take mourinho/Guardiola football opinion less respectfully because they failed? both have failed before, even in big stage.
+danielgalea Would mourinho or guardiola make such a big of mistake as that?
Well done to Webb, held his own agianst Savage and made his points very clearly and calmly!
Robbie should raise his arguement not his voice
Savage needs a yellow card just so Webb can keep control of this situation.
This is an interesting topic. Just wish Robbie Savage would shut up and stop interrupting so we could hear what Howard Webb had to say about it, because that's what's interesting. We've heard former players and pundits talk about stuff like this for years but it's quite rare, at least where I'm from, to hear what actual referees think about stuff like this.
Savage is clueless
Webb explains the difficult situation refs are often in really well here, the grassroots game is losing refs all the time because they have to deal with jumped up Sunday morning manager dads on the sidelines and 14 year olds on the pitch who follow the example. We need to respect the ref alot more than we do.
As a grassroots ref, I applaud your statement.
really interesting listening to Howard webb I would like to hear more of refs talking openly and honestly about their decision process during games
EXCELLENT Source of Education and motivation to become a Referee! Well Done Howard Webb and BT Sport!
Robbie savage ruined this interview
Someone call admin: Howard Webb was the referee of 2010 World Cup final not 2006 :)
Watching this has been like watching a real life football match. All their old characters come racing out to the top! Funny as F..... :-)
"Otherwise you have 14 yellow cards in a game."
World Cup final Howard?
+tdyerwestfield How there was no red was shocking
+Angaddeep Singh Heitinga got sent off. Come on, man.
+tdyerwestfield If you use one game to encompass and entire career, you are a complete moron. Try using that for players or coaches. Judge them on one game, or one decision. No one would stand up to that scrutiny.
Dustin Edwards
I'm not. He just said that refs need to manage games otherwise you have 14 yellow cards in a game and yet he did exactly the latter in the 2010 World Cup final.
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Tell that to Robbie Savage. You are very wise.
Savage has a point, but in the first minute the referee may not know for sure if a particular tackle was reckless, as he doesn't know the temperature of the match.
Not 2006, but 2010 world cup final, also first person to manage CL final and WC final on the same year, ie 2010.
I agree 100 percent with Howard robbie and ince here are clueless if they ref'd like they want there would never be a game without a red card
description wrong, reffed the 2010 final
every ref has a different style as well and personality just as players do so some will ref and manage situations differently
savage is so stubborn
Howard Webb refereed the 2010 final* not the 2006 one
I don't get why Savage doesn't understand this. Its not always so black and white
If the players cant control themselves, send them off. Ref is here to protect the players, not the entertainment value. Send them off, they will learn eventually. Will make the game cleaner and reduce referee influence.
Savage needs a booking
Howard Webb reminds me of Agent 47 from Hitman
Webb was the referee of the 2010 final, not 2006
I think Robbie is just trying to be devils advocate or yes he is seeing it from a players point of view - totaly agree with how Howard web thinks apart from that other Bald ref in Italian I think , Howards one of the best
problem has an easy solution, introduce a 10 min sin bin. also only captains allowed to talk to referee as in Rugby Union, and introduce 10 metre rule for dissent at free kicks.
Football is too arrogant to make these common sense changes.
savage is like the stupid drunk guy at the pub
*2010 World Cup Final
+Alex Stuart Was a farking bloodfest
What annoys me is the lack of consistency in referee decisions. I've seen plenty of games when a player commits a foul in the middle of the pitch and gets booked. Then a few minutes later a player on the opposition team will commit a similar foul in a similar area and get away with it. Countless times.
Probably because the referee has a different angle /view on each challenge, and sees one as reckless and one as careless, so one a yellow, one just a free kick.
Where was this reff in the World Cup final in 2010 😂😂😂😂😂😋
Terry was right about savage
George Greenway 100 percent !!
Normally hate webb but he talks alot of sence!
At least Webb made it to a World Cup final...
Savage reminded me of one of the guy in my class.😅
why is the front of fletchs hair black only lol
He should train Policemen here in the US.
Long Live Howard Webb
Maybe savage needs to actually referee a game himself and see the difference it makes to just give a warning to then have the behaviour stop or pull a yellow straight out to then have the players firstly annoyed and then EVERY similar infringement must be a yellow card. Before he argues with a world class referee he should pull on a referee shirt and give it a go. Much like me arguing with a world class coach about his coaching technique when I have never coached a game before
As one of the tweets that appears on screen says - it's not the referees job to 'manage' a game, they are there to apply the laws of the game from the first minute to the last, end of. Anything else, and the term 'game management' sounds extremely like trying to interfere with the result to me.
Dude he didnt even ref the 2006 final wtf...
If its a flykick to the chest no booking
time should not dictate card issuance
First, he was the referee in 2010 final, second, he didn't send off De Jong for a criminal kick on Xabi Alonso, so he doesn't know how to book a player.
He will have a statue in Old Trafford ... legend !
United haven’t won the league since he’s retired 😂
Didn’t Paul Ince play in the ‘90s? United most recently won in 2013.
Which one is Fletch? The mouthy one?
webb. fergies best boy.
Ince and Savage are so thick it hurts. They just do not understand what he's saying at all. Christ.
And this video shows of why Webb got to the very top and was involved in a World Cup final, whilst Savage won bugger all and got to a relegation battling Orem team at best! Bit of a difference! 😂
Why do they book players for celebrating in front of the opposition's fans?
savage is like "howard stop confusing me with facts"
I agree with Webb that the 1st-minute tackle is different from a tackle in the 50th minute
God damn Savage is such a goon
Robbie savage needs to go on a ref course and take some games. He really doesn't want to understand.
De Jong and Xabi Alonso *cough *cough
Exactly I was about to post Howard Webb When to bottle sending a player off in a World Cup final
he got directives to make sure he doesn't give any red cards to netherlands in the final becuase spain were to dominant that year. but he finally had to give a second yellow late in the match.
Please never give Robbie a whistle.
I like robbie savagee
If it's Man u don't book anyone and add on 6 mins if they're losing.Check.
lmao all the people tweeting that cattermole and barton get yellows because of their name like their innocent ahaha get off it
He’s my cousin Howard Webb 🤣
When to book a player? When he isn't wearing a Man United shirt.
I don't want referees managing the game. They are there to protect the players and uphold the law.
very late, but managing the game is protecting the players.
Referees can be so inconsistent, yes, so can players, those dodgy passes, that lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, or putting a team mate in a situation where they feel they have to put a tackle in that can potentially get them a yellow.
But it's all about the ref being inconsistent.
sorry but that is a load of rubbish, surely the referee is there to enforce the laws of the game!! whether it's 5 mins in or 5 mins to the end.
This Savage boy is mad.
Compare Webb and savage's careers.
Man is talking over a top all time referee and is taking it in like a lunatic!
How come is he even allowed in this kind of interviews?
How to publicly humiliate yourself on television - by Robbie Savage
Howard Webb is right that the skill of a referee is in managing the game, but how rarely does it happen that they do manage the game correctly today? It doesn’t happen, with VAR and with the attitude of the English referees at the moment there isn’t any managing going on. The game is a complete farce in terms of officiating at the moment and the current group of referees in England can’t control a game of football. Oliver, Dean, Mason, Moss, Coote etc. - they’re incapable of showing the emotional flexibility to manage a game of football. They’re too arrogant and rigid in their thinking to control the game - football is in a real state in terms of officiating at the moment.
Webb makes some good comments on bookings etc. but there are problems with his view on them also. I’ve always found that the referees don’t see the bigger picture with bookings; they should know who will face a ban if booked, the state of league positions, conditions of play etc. Recently John Egan was a booking away from suspension prior to Sheffield United playing Manchester United away the next game, with around 5 minutes to go and 3-1 down he was booked for winning the ball. It wasn’t a foul and the referee got it wrong, but he booked the player. The game was finished and the foul given wasn’t correct, but the referee gave a booking. That’s a huge error which loses all control of a game - every Sheffield United player at that point is angry and frustrated for the remaining 5 minutes of a game which is already finished, the coaching staff is livid and most irritating of all - the referee could not have been sure it was a booking. The replay showed it was a fair tackle and so the referee could not be sure that it ought to be a booking; he wanted to slow the game down and keep the players from making strong challenges with the game about to finish - he achieved the opposite. If he had known Egan would miss the next game he would likely have chose not to book the player when it wasn’t a challenge worthy of a booking. Decisions like that are wrong and unfair because the referee is trying to manage a one off game without any knowledge of the greater consequence of his decision/s. Thankfully Sheffield United actually won the game at Manchester United without their best player, but the issue remains in the referee’s thinking.
I only watched 4 minutes then I had to puke. It should be the player's responsibility to not get red carded and hurt his own team. The rules are pretty bad about what exactly is a yellow card and what is not but the same foul should be the same punishment trough the whole game.
It’s hard to understand their arguments cuz their accents are soo strong lol
Savage ruined this video for me
Ince sounds sick or high. He is not a good speaker.
Savage just doesn’t get it
huh?
Webb makes the mistake here of not stepping these nonces through the vague laws of the game
I agree with Savage. A yellow card is a yellow card in the first minute or the last..
robbie savage knew nothing lol.
One of the worst referees ever, chickened out and lost control of 2006 final.
Worst referee ever. Every match he did, minimum 1 brawl and fight. Ruined the WC Final inconsequent refereeing..
Backhanders from fergie
Man United player Howard webb
wheeey 1000th like
Robbie Savage ruined what could of been a great interview. As always he’s desperate to be argumentative and force his point across. BT please get someone more intelligent and interesting for shows and punditry. I can’t stand listening to him.
Yellow is a Yellow. This is where TV is runing football. Worried about spoiling the game. If players know theyll get booked or sent off they wont play dirty.
Having a ref on the programme is boring
You are boring
Thecumcreator Thats a par
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+CFCjakob EEEYAY