Does NFL Overtime Need To Be Adjusted So Both Teams Have A Chance? | Pat McAfee Reacts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2022
- What are your thoughts on what the NFL should do with their overtime rules?
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The Chiefs back in 2019 wanted a change in the overtime rules after the lost against the patriots and just about every team (including the bills) voted against it.
Chiefs proposed this and instead of inside kicks, just doing a 4&20 from their 30. No other team approved of that either.
I didn’t like the proposal as a chielfs fan in 2019. Don’t go into the 4th down 17/7, line up onsides dee ford, and get a stop in OT. That game and this wasn’t decided by the rules. Games are long enough and have to end one way or another. The best assets of a team being on their O isn’t the rules fault you lost in OT.
Chiefs made a proposal, Cowboys voted with them on it. The other 30 didn't go for it.
@@BrocKelley Chiefs were the better team. They scored with 13 seconds. After missing 4 points worth of kicks and then a blatant OPI on Davis’ final touchdown. Overcame all of that and won. They were better.
@@LegacyFlash15 just cuz they won doesn’t mean they shouldn’t change the rules tho
Do teams really expect us to believe player safety is the reason they wont do an extra quarter, half a quarter, or give each team a possession for OT when they just added a 17th game to the schedule every year? 🤔
The 17th game brings in who knows how many millions of dollars. Longer OT doesn't. Everything has a price, including player safety.
@@lukes9192 That's true, but it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to throw another possession worth of football into the game. Especially not with PLAYOFFS anyway. I feel like even if they changed the OT rules for the playoffs people would be happier. I know I would.
player safety has never been a concern for the NFL, they just campaign it to appeal to their audience. they only care about money and ratings.
@Real Talk thats not how it works at all genius
Paahahahah!!! Right?
Something else worth considering is to keep the overtime rules and have an intermission just before overtime starts (similar to hockey). Give a chance for defences to rest.
Yeah like 5 min or something. I like a 9th inning type of rule.
This makes the most sense
Agreed. The Bills got burned then was asked to go right back out 2 minutes later.
Nah dude I like the idea of momentum not going away
Oh, Detroit Lions fan much?
Of the 11 times it has happened, 7 times the team that won the coin toss scored on their first drive and ended the game. That is too high of a percentage imo, albeit the sample size is pretty small.
This means nothing
if you don't want the other team to score, play better defense, plain and simple
@@SurfsUp-cw9rv neither team was playing defense at the end, the game was decided by coin toss. Lame af
@@UnapologeticRed The game was decided by allowing a team to go 50 yards in 13 seconds and not being able to hold them out of the endzone.
@@troyboy811 that’s how it went to OT..
This has been the most intense playoffs I've ever seen. Every single game was a edge of your seat battle to the end. Amazing.
Thats because they're rigged to be that way...
Well except for Wildcard Round, lots of unexciting blowouts. I will admit though, I turned the Bengals-Titans game off at halftime because it was boring. Also the Packers game was a low scoring sleepfest. Now, the Rams-Bucs and Chiefs-Bills games were two of the best games I've ever seen. Two instant classics. I hope the Chiefs and Rams play in the super bowl so we can have another game like it.
Divisional rounds u mean right? Wildcard games were not.
@@NFLtoUFC someone is a Bucs fan 😂
@@colinryan4737 i’m a chiefs fan lol nice try though
the 14-14 half had me on the edge of my seat, then BOOM. 4th Q was wild. Best game i ever seen
As an Australian who didn't grow up watching NFL but love it now, the OT rule in my eyes is THE stupidest rule in any sport in the world. How you can have a team of guys who have given their all the whole 4 quarters (and in this case the whole season) and not even give them a chance to answer is beyond me. I hated it when it happened to the Chiefs, I hate it in regular season games, and I hated it in this game.
It would've been the greatest football game of all time if it wasn't ruined by the OT rule. Imagine if that could've gone to double OT. Or even back and forth TD's before someone makes a stop to win the game.
And you can't say that it's fair because the D gets a chance to stop them. Because if the D gets a stop, they don't win the game, they just give their offense a chance to play for the win. That means that whoever wins the toss only has to have things go right for their offense to win, whereas the team that loses the toss has to have things go right for their defense AND their offense. So winning the coin toss gives you a statistical advantage.
Hell, if they're worried about playing too long, why not give both teams a go with the ball from the 20 yard line. Fastest based on the clock to make a TD wins the game. If both teams make a stop, whoever gained the most yards wins. At least then both teams get an even chance with both their offense AND defense.
Totally agree with you.
Imagine in a Twenty 20 cricket game, if it ends in a tie, you go to the super over, then the team that bat's first hits a six, and they win. Screw that.
It used to only require a field goal, then was over. They at least improved things when requiring a touchdown. Agree there is room to improve the OT rule still, obviously.
Same as a Turk it is beyond stupid
@@BestFootForwardShoes ah yes, the illustrious sport of cricket. As an American football fan, I completely understood that reference.
Defense still is part of the game, despite what the nfl n fans have tried to turn it into. Whenever this discussion comes up- its always a mindless reactionary response. 11 guys on defense getting paid millions to do a job. Lets calm down n realize the repercussions of this silly proposition
I think they should do a best of three or something, or the XFL overtime rules which is both offenses and defenses are going at it at the same time on opposite ends of the field.
Just make it a 8 minute quarter to be played in its entirety. If the first team can control the clock for 8 minutes in one drive and win then they deserve it.
That’s actually a great damn idea. I can definitely get behind this idea
If it's tied after 8 minutes then what ?
@@pga972 back to first to score
@@pga972 do it again
Nah keep it the same
As a Chiefs fan I think overtime rules should be changed, but I have no sympathy for the Bills because it happened to us against the Pat's. We wanted the rules changed and almost everyone voted against it.
Buffalo voted against it
You should be glad everyone voted against it lol
The other teams voted against it because they didn't want to give Mahomes another chance.
Exactly. Most everyone including the Bills. Those two could have went on forever!!!
Finally someone speaking common sense. Chiefs would love to have tu rule changed lol, give em as many chances as the other teams and you’re screwed. Had that rule been changed before Mahomes would have been to 3 superbowl, 3/3
For playoffs I would make it to where each team gets a possession, and if you score a touchdown you “have” to go for 2. If both teams score a touchdown the odds are much lower that it’s a tie. Sudden death after. Just my opinion.
I say give them each a full drive where they must go for 2 if they get in the endzone. If both teams score the same amount of points on their first drive, then they have to alternate 2 point conversion attempts until someone wins (like the new cfb rule).
I have felt for years that OT should be one full 15-minute quarter in the playoffs.
Exactly, Team who is leading at the end of overtime wins, if overtime ends with same score it becomes a tie. Playoffs will be played continuously until we find a winner.
Or if it’s too much time, even five minutes would be better. And if a team literally takes up 5 minutes trying to run out the clock and try and kick a fg, then so be it.
I'd make one change: if you get a score and a stop (or a stop and a score), the game is over. If you keep matching the other team, then play 'til the end of 15 minutes.
@@mrmacross I agree, one possession for each side of the ball. And special teams has to have at least one play for each side (kickoff)
Won't work because of betting
I have always thought a full quarter in the playoffs for OT would be the best way to go.
that's fair
full quarter but when scoring a TD you must go for 2 to make it less likely of a tie at the end of OT.
I would says give them a 8 min quarter.
@Ravens Guy 💯
Nah at the very least other side gets a chance to match and continue the game if not games done
I'm just happy we get to hear a professional explain that college OT rules have major issues. So frustrating explaining to the average fan why spotting the ball at the opponent's 25-yard line is not real football.
The college rule is silly. It's fun to watch, but this is pro football. If you want to change the rule push for both teams to have the ball. Maybe if both teams score a touchdown you flip it to sudden death or require going for 2. But the college rule is just silly.
Then push it further back...this is the pro's. It's all about the concept of teams going back and forth scoring until one fails to do so and the other does not or they could just add a final quarter...but what if that ends in a tie? the former is probably better
@@RB-dl8gr I don't think college OT rules are completely terrible. The fact that it's equal opportunity is a good feature, and I might've preferred the ending of the KC/Buffalo game if they used college OT rules. I just don't like it when people say "just use the college OT rules" and ignore its obvious flaws.
i like college OT rules... it's like most other sports, similar football, that have short-area shootouts. might not be the best why to determine the better team, for you're not on a full field with full rules, but usually way more existing and intense for the fans.
or they could do extra time, where when tied, they play on 00:00 clock (not stopping the game!!!) till the next team scores. this would keep normal rules in play. (extra) you can have it, if the team scores on 00:00 the other team get a chance to score. so there would be an incentive to score in regular time.
I think, for the playoffs they should change it to each team gets one possession guaranteed and THEN if the score is tied still, the sudden death applies. And I'm a Chiefs' fan. But I remember being hot about it when the damn Golden boy was given a chance in 2018 and our guy just sat on the bench watching.
No the game has to end
Agree, this exactly what I told my friends last night
@@malcolmhamilton8706 All you gotta do is force teams to go for a 2 point conversion and the game won't last, hell you could even make the 2-point conversion increase by 5 yards everytime.
Totally Agreed
Does nothing. Other team gets the ball after the initial TD and marches down and scores then what.....well it's still get a stop or lose exactly like the first drive. Literally only difference is now a simple FG wins and the score is different.
Short answer: yes
Long answer: Yes!!!
Thank you!
6:20 hell yeah you can change it for the playoffs. NHL does 3v3 5 min OT in regular season, then full 20 min 5v5 periods in playoffs. Just make the playoff OT rule different from regular season
It was an amazing game but yes I do think the rule needs tweaked for the playoffs
At least for the playoffs.
One possession each, after that sudden death.
The chiefs tried to get it changed after the loss to the patriots in the afc championship in 2019
Stop... if the bills made a stop we wouldn't be having this talk
@@thedarkemissary one possession each, then if it's still tied sudden death.
I was thrilled the refs stayed out of it. 4 flags total.
@UCBlK7UdDeQY2yfqdq-MC4wg I agree the we’re getting tackled
Nfl was ok with either one of these teams going to the bowl. Lol. One cAll was so cringe when he was explaining it at the end of the play why it wasn’t a penalty before a dead ball. Cringe. Unprofessional .
Thank God...nothing worse than hearing the Refs call every simple penalty all night.
@@Omar-kt6in no they couldn’t get through they were literally tackling our d line
@@Eugenepanels yes because when you think of football you think of how professional everyone involved is. Refs actually play a good game and y'all are still complaining over the dumbest thing.
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We tried 3 years ago to change them. Yall said no.
If the first team to possess the ball scores a TD, the opposing team still gets a chance to possess the ball but they HAVE to score a TD. The same principle applies to field goals like it currently works. Also, what I'm not hearing about as much, and DB mentioned in the video, just dribble the final bills kick off and don't force a touchback, it gave the chiefs an extra play worth of time.
They only needed a field goal. Someone on the broadcast mentioned squibbing it, but, Mahomes with 2 TOs and the ball at say the 40? You're looking at the same result if you cut it to 8 seconds.
Well the argument against that is they both score a TD then what. Do both teams then get a second posession? It'd add a whole lot more playing time which is what they are trying to avoid.
Completely agree. Whatever the first team does the second team should have a chance to match.
Yeah both teams should get a possession. If they both score 7 (or 8) then do it again. Second team should always get a possession to answer.
Keep the regular season the same.
@@imightbebiased9311 I dont see 2 plays plus a field goal in 8 seconds happening, even with timeouts as the first play to tyreek was 5 seconds off the clock. At best I believe they could get in-range for a long something like 58+ yard field goal. Who knows, maybe butker hits it from near 60 yards out but it makes it so much harder on the chiefs. But it's all theoretical.
My pitch: each team gets the ball 5 times. You can put the ball anywhere you want to start, but you have to score on that play. The number of points you earn is equivalent to the yard line you start on for a TD, or divided by 10 (rounded down) for a FG. Examples: snap from the 12 yd line, TD = 12 points. Snap from the 40 YD line, FG = 4 points. Botch the first 4 attempts? Down by 70? Snap from your own 29 and go for the win!
Chiefs fan here and I hate the OT rule even this weekend. I’d of loved to see them keep battling even if buffalo came out on top.
Lmao so what if the battle keeps going where does it stop then? 🤣😂💀 your logic needs help
Then you keep going. Its all about willpower, who wants the W more?
Hell in the NHL playoffs you could play an extra full game+ of overtime. Thats the beauty of the playoffs
You know damn right you are happier that they won
Nah, keep that college crap off the NFL
You not a chiefs fan then lmao stfu cause when we wanted to change the ot rules in 2018 against the patriots in ot everyone said no including the bills so stfu you not a chiefs fan get tf on somewhere 😂
Talking about overtime rules being different for playoffs than regular season - this is exactly what the NHL does and people love the NHL playoff rules. I think it's only fair to give teams a chance to respond in playoffs. Play an extra 15 minutes and if still tied, go to sudden death after that or something.
This is a great idea
See this would screw Vegas on betting the over/under for games so I'm sure the will be paying owners to vote against it that way there is only ONE loser
So you want 2 teams to play an extra quarter and possibly half of football, hopefully not get injured and then go play a team that already has an extra day of rest on them? Makes sense... Rules need to stay like they are. The NFL gives you 4 quarters to win the game. Play smarter in the 4th quarter and you wont have to worry about OT.
All that does is push the controversy later. It will be the same exact arguments after the first 5 quarter then sudden death game.
Nah...don't give up a fg in 13 seconds
YES!!! Why does a coin flip give favor to one team over the other. Let’s both sides play it out on the field!
I agree why not just flip the coin and say they won.... why have 15min in overtime but only use a few minutes out of the 15 allowed.
How about play defense ?
Sound stupid. You have 60 mins to win a game. Now you want a both sides to get the ball?! Why, they just did that the first 60 min to prove a point. No the rule is correct
Wooooah now fans everywhere want the rule to change where we’re y’all when mahomes never got the rock against Tom. “Play better defense” yall said
@@isiahsalim1688 I've been saying change the rule for a while
What they should do is the same as it is now, but instead of game ending after a td on the opening drive, it ends after a td and successful 2pt conversion. That way you could still win the game based off of sheer offensive dominance on drive 1, still incentivizing winning the coin toss, but it also leads to interesting scenarios. If you get that opening drive td do you go for 2 to end it, or do you take the extra point and trust your defense. If you try the 2pt and fail, then the other team wins with a successful td and extra point. Everything else is the same like sudden death after the first 2 drives, but a little tweak could make it a lot better.
what is they changed OT rules so that if the team that wins the coin toss scores a TD for the game to be over they need to go for 2 and complete it. If the risk it and go for 2 and make it the team wins. If they don't make the 2 point conversion the other team gets a chance to score a touch down and all they need is the extra point to put them over the other team that is only up by 6 due to the missed 2 point conversion. if they miss the extra point both teams are tied and now its sudden death.
As a Canadian I hate the cfl, but damn nfl needs to look at their overtime rules for future changes
You hate the CFL? What did the CFL ever do to you to cause such extreme emotion? Going through life wearing blinders is no way to go through life.
@@xAnAngelOfDeathx well I’ve played nfl and cfl rules, so I have some experience in playing both. The 3 vs 4 downs is a huge issue for me… blinders? Have you ever played football before? miss me with that bs
@@xAnAngelOfDeathx The rules make it unwatchable. Like maybe if you get really really drunk and live in Saskatchewan it's enjoyable to watch, idk.
Did you see that episode of Corner Gas where they were all going to the Grey Cup in separate cars and nobody ended up getting in to the game but when they all got back to Dog River, they pretended like they did?
@@billycox475 lmao, corner gas over a cfl game any day
Josh Allen was beating the piss out of the Chiefs by the end there, what a great game. No one can deny that Josh Allen is clutch in the spotlight now and is destined to win a SB with Buffalo soon. Get Tre White back and build a better defense for next season. Good job to the Chiefs, only other team who couldve matched what Josh Allen was doing out there.
He wasn't clutch on the coin toss, tho.
(That's sarcasm, just in case some people are gonna get salty.)
LOL Chiefs should've won that if the damn kicker made the FG and extra point. The correct team won here. Stop crying.
Not really.
Josh did alright. But Mahomes snatched Allen's soul in the end.
Idk if thats true,
It''s so difficult to win championships,
If you squander a single opportunity, there's no gauruntee your roster will be as good the following season,
Or if those players stay healthy,
As a "football" fan of 61 years I've seen some great games and this 1 rates up there with some of the best! As a Titans fan, even I feel bad for the Bills not being able to have a chance to answer to the "sudden death rule"! In 2010 the field goal sudden death was done away with and only a touchdown on the 1st possession made it end in overtime. For playoff games what if the team that's down get's 1 possession to answer the score. If they don't get a 1st down it's over. A field goal is not used at all, if they answer with a touchdown the other team gets the same 1 possession rule again. Lolz with these 2 teams I guess it could go on all night.... : )
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Like to see them do a 10 minute full overtime period with some type of intermission maybe 7 minutes. Whoever leads at the end of overtime wins. If it's still tied then either turn off the game clock and do sudden death or go to long distance field goals starting at 50 yards. Also get rid of the coin toss to start overtime. Possession should go to whichever team has the better record. If that is even then the home team gets the ball first. And I do like the XFL Overtime Rule, but lower it to 3 rounds instead of 5.
100% YES the NFL needs to change over-time. I'm not even a Bills or Cheifs fan but that was a heck of a game and to have it decided by who won the coin flip was BS.
It wasn’t because of coin flip.
It wasn’t because of the coin flip. It was because the bills defense sucks
The coin flip didn't stop them from playing defense 🤣
Change it to what? Then what happens? The game can't end in a tie.
@@TheArrowhead737 I suggest a full quarter. If it's a tie then another quarter. Keep it going
Everyone's trying to figure out how mahomes makes all these side arm and different angle throws, he did play baseball and was a short stop, look at all the different angle throws they make
everyone can do it
It’s cool to see him flip his hips like he’s turning a double play!
* Mahomo, you spelled his last name incorrectly
@@lucasng4712 no
@@leo8049 Bills fan?
Overtime you could do similar to college but start at the 50 after the first overtime you have to go for 2 from there on out
As it stands the OT rules give a 10% advantage to whoever wins the coin toss. 60% of all OT games since 1996 have been won by the OT toss winner as opposed to only 50.2% of all beginning of game coin toss winners winning the game. It's an obvious advantage. The toss winner just has to play offense to win while the toss loser typically has to play both defense AND offense to win barring a rare pick 6 or other defensive TD. I vote both teams have to play offense and defense with the ball in OT. If we want to keep OT from dragging out then just play a bunch of single down 2pt conversions until one team fails to match the other. I think this would be really fun to watch!
I like how all the Chiefs fans are saying "bro, your defense should have done better, that's all there is to it. " as if their defense wasn't letting Allen pass and run all over them too.... 😂
Exactly!
Most Chiefs fans I know are very sympathetic about these rules because we got burned by them before. Most of us are in favor of a rule change too even though we benefitted last night.
@@riffbw To these Chiefs fans, I give respect. And to be honest, y'all are probably all real fans... Not the bandwagon variety
@@davyboy9397 I HATE bandwagon fans!
@@davyboy9397 we also say chiefs defense should have done better. I don't think you'll come across a chiefs fan who wouldn't say that lmao.
3 years ago Chiefs owner Hunt voted to have the OT rule change.. The Bills voted no.. So there ya have it. We agree. The OT rules should allow 1 full 1/4... MPV goes to the coin toss.. Chiefs Bills was one of the greatest game played in all of sport..
Just because some old ass billionaire owner voted for something doesn't mean the rules don't need to be changed.
@@JalenBrunson558 me thinks you confused. Re-read.. lol.. btw > doesnt and dont makes no sense in your sentence.. but thats just a side note.. And Hunt aint "old"..
I had this mentality when I was twelve too
@@JalenBrunson558 Then let's chip in and buy the team so we get a vote. I've got $20, can you cover the rest?
Colts was the only team agreeing with us
How about for playoffs in ot. Keep the same except for opening drive td you then must go for 2. Then as a “penalty” the other team gets the ball from own 10 and has to go the distance to tie or win with a 6 or 8 pt td. The purpose of this is if you have an ot where both teams possess the ball no matter what then there’s no advantage gained for winning toss and you will likely kick off to play D if you move to everyone gets possession. But the second team in this scenario now having to start from own 10 if team A scores td makes winning the coin toss advantageous to start on O which is should be even in the slightest way
What if you have 1 full 10 min quarter where drives start at the 50 (no special team) and you just play until times expire
I think everyone can agree that having a coin toss decide a sudden death overtime is gimmicky and generally a feels bad moment.
Agreed 💯
The chiefs tried to get it changed after their OT loss to the patriots in 2019. Here we are
Evidently not everyone 🤷♂️
@yellow Arrow Actually quite a few. Either by default give either the home or away team the option to receive the kick or defer, have teams play a full or modified quarter (say 8 min instead of 15) for the first OT, or change it so any score on the first drive doesn’t automatically end the game ( this would get really complicated really quickly). All would be better than a coin toss.
@yellow Arrow teams are 10 and 1 when they win the OT coin toss in the postseason. If the NFL wants to leave it up to a coin toss then there’s really no point playing OT at all. Any way you look at it, the coin toss gives an unfair competitive advantage to whoever wins it. Which IMO is unacceptable in the postseason. The win by 8 idea is interesting, as long as it only applies to the first drive. There’s so many better ways of deciding the outcome of a close, competitive game than a 50/50 coin toss.
Honestly this has nothing to do with the OT rules it has to do with Fraizer being horrible at running two min defense.
Still change the rules.
Get rid of the first TD wins the game. Fixed.
My point exactly. I’m more pissed with the coaching than the defense as a whole. Wasted two timeouts at the end for what? Our defense played prevent when we should have been playing to stop the field goal.
@@alexanderliu9376 yes. We should compensate for bad defense
@@alexanderliu9376 naw keep the rules. It shouldn’t never been over time in the first place. 13 seconds and they defense chocked and chocked in overtime
@@deon3133 wouldnt even say the D choked, they did what their coach told them to, which was scared play calling. backing off 20 yards in back to back plays to give them the yards needed to get into field goal range. They were playing to prevent a lucky TD rather than to win the game. Just bad. Almost as bad as calling a pass from the one yard line when you got Lynch in the backfield.
Listen in the postseason shorten the overtime to 10 minutes and if it’s tied and the end of overtime. Penalty kick off. In this round both teams do a coin toss and the winner gets to decide where they kick from. If they are tied with 5 kicks you then determine which field goal cleared the uprights better. So the ones that barely squeak are less points then the ones that go down the middle
i get it rules are rules and playing football for that long does definitely adds a lot of tear to the body. yeah its supposed to be the defenses job to stop that drive and go, but it feels like its coming down to a coin toss. if a rule change to happen i believe 1 possession to the kicking team is fair enough to at least feel like you have a chance .teams with crazy offenses like the chiefs and the bills they're gonna get the score on that drive. though its definitely better than when they used to end OT on field goals
Need to incorporate the XFL’s OT rules where it’s a shootout between offense and defense in the redzone so the better team all around wins
The XFL really had some great common sense rules. The NFL should take note.
@@duvalpenny100 definitely but until the XFL or another league can even be a close alternative, the NFL has little to no incentive to change atm
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How about 2 minute quarters for each team to posses the ball. Each quarter starts with a kickoff like a half. A change of possession gives the defense the choice to either start a new quarter or take the ball where it is. 1 timeout for each team per quarter.
I thought the playoff rule was they both get a possession possession unless it's a touchdown
It's better than it was before but it should be 1 over time 10 minutes minutes if it ends in a tie then 2nd OT sudden death next score win
When teams are 10-1 when winning the coin toss, it shows that across many different teams and situations, winning the coin toss has way too big an impact.
Are all of those 10 wins off the first drive?
@@KeenEyeVP I haven’t verified but someone was talking about the 10-1 stat. But noted 7 of those were not opening drives. My guess would be field position and kicking the winning field goal from distance on second possession.
@@seitz9 exactly.. The 10-1 stat is irrelevant when the win came on the 2nd possession 7 times.
@@seitz9 You got that wrong, it is the exact opposite. In 7 out of 11 instances since the rule change, the team that won the coin toss scored a touchdown on the opening drive.
@@ata984 ahhh thanks for correcting me.
The current overtime rules were made in order to prevent ties (which still happens) and to speed up games to prevent overlap.
Both of these reasons are invalid in the playoffs.
There should be a set of playoff OT rules. One drive a piece.
Same way NHL has 2 different rules for reg season and playoffs. It needs to happen
What about having the teams go back and forth if they each score, until one fails too.. if it goes a certain amount of drives, downs dont reset
My idea is one 12 minute quarter and play it out fully. If still tied. Send the kickers in start at the 20 move back 5yds after each kick until one makes it and one misses.
It’s literally INSANE that a sport as big as football allows a mere coin toss to play such a major role in a game of this magnitude.
@@thedarkemissary the coin toss at the beginning of the game is equalized by the second half moron. Let me put this in a term your remedial brain can digest: fair ups should be applied in NFL overtime. Okay? Get it now?
How? There is no coin toss in the second half. The first possession is balanced in the second half, but everyone defers the first coin toss. Are you saying the Chiefs should have deferred in the OT coin toss? Your opinion seems a little simplistic. What is "equal" if they don't have to do the same thing after a coin toss?
@@yzfool6639 okay. The coin toss at the beginning of the game lets the winner of that choose whether they possess or defend first right. At the beginning of the second the exact opposite of their choice occurs. Meaning: the luck granted from winning or losing that coin toss is essentially negated and plays a very minimal if not non existent role in the outcome of the game. Once a tie occurs, the luck of that coin toss is then amplified exponentially because - just like in the chiefs vs bills game - the team who wins the coin toss is granted BY FAR the easiest path to victory by scoring a TD on the first drive. If the loser of that coin toss was given a chance to match that drive, even if a TD was scored, it would then make the outcome of said game overall more about skill/effort and less about luck. Hence why NO TEAM in the history of the NFL playoffs has ever deferred from getting first possession after winning a coin toss in OT. Okay?
I want to post this here to maybe create some exposure to the idea;
OT rules, one team attempts to score(no kick off), if they get a TD, other team has to do it in the same amount of time that it took the first team, if not faster than them. Same with FG. This cuts any unnecessary time like a full quarter and creates potentially really good 2-minute drills and hurry up offenses. This ALSO gives the other team to strike back and do it better. Both sides of the team get to play and show their dominance in one way or another in a quick fashion.
I would like to note that a once-competitive game known as "Overwatch" had this exact implementation for overtime except it was a matter of moving the objective to a certain distance faster than the opponent in a given amount of time.
My suggestion... coin flip is the same, 3 time outs for each team, decide kick first or second. Safety = Lose instantly. Changes:
Both sides get the ball ONCE. Each possession starts with a kickoff, or just start on the 25 yard line if you want to eliminate the chance of an unusual return.
When you get the ball, if you are first, you have 15 minutes to score as many points as possible. When you do score, peg the amount of time your team used.
Second team clock is set to the amount of time used by the first team. They have that amount of time to score more points or they lose.
Advantages: *NO MORE TIES. EVER!* And both sides get roughly equivalent chances to win.
Go first, set the time and put pressure (or not) on the other team to score. Have to decide if you want a 1 point extra point, or a 2 pt conversion.
Go second and have your victory conditions be a known quantity but with more pressure if the other team scored quickly.
Both teams get one possession. Overtime goes sudden death based on number of plays in the "Final Drive." Whichever team gets the score in the least amount of plays wins, starting team sets the margin for the score and number of plays.
Team One gets a Field Goal in 7 plays, that means Team Two has to get a field goal in 6 plays or less (7 plays means that team Two loses), or a touchdown with any number of plays.
Time is 10 minutes for scoreless teams then the winner can be determined by longest drive/total yards/1st downs/etc. (1 statistic, not all of them) or make it a draw if you're boring.
“Defence is a part of the game” yeah absolutely, but there’s a reason the team receiving the ball is flipped on either side of the half: both offences need to see the field.
Of course it’s highly unlikely a team wins onside kicks after every drive, but the flipping teams format is in the spirit of ensuring that both teams get the ball.
Both parts of the team should have the chance to prove themselves, and then after that, if still tied, special teams should shoot it out soccer penalty shoot out style. That way, less injuries, like the nfl claims it wants (despite adding an extra week and reducing to only one bye in the playoffs).
Who scores first is the rule. If you cannot stop them from scoring than it can go on forever. You have one shot, stop them or you lose.
@@sorynn1991 No one's arguing that it's not the rule. Rules can change to make the game safer or more competitive, and that's been done a lot of times, so I don't really see your point
Yes, coin toss can’t decide the game. If the first team scores a touchdown allow the other team one possession to tie the game.
And then sudden death? Because that’s the exact same situation as before. If the second team also scores a td, the coin toss still gives the first team the ball first in sudden death. If the second team doesn’t score, then what was the point of giving them that possession?
@@datguytino the point is they had the opportunity to at least *try* to score. I see where you're coming from, but imo the team who loses the coin toss should at least have to actually fail to score again instead of just assuming they wouldn't and handing the other team a victory.
The thing is, let’s say the Bills got the ball first and got a touchdown. Then the Chiefs got the ball next and scored a touchdown. Now it’s sudden death, Bills gets another score to end the game. People then will be complaining that Allen got it twice and Mahomes only got it once.
@@kevinhenry4047 Personally I don't like that form of sudden death bc yeah that system would have the same problem as the one we have now. I think sudden death should be that the first team to fail to score loses. Obviously you'd need to work out if you allow field goals and how defensive scores would work, but you get my point. Each team should be allowed the same number of opportunities to score just like a baseball inning.
The coin toss doesn't decide the game the players have to play, Mahomes could've thrown a pick and then the Bill's score, but the defense didn't play better than the offense and lost
They should make overtime a kicking duel……. Snapper holder and kicker card snapper holder and kicker. Coin toss determines the side of the field you get first one to miss loses
I love what AJ said and I completely agree with it
Change the rules. Okay, the bills couldn’t stop mahomes and the chiefs offence, but the chiefs couldn’t stop the Bills offence either. Stupid rule, no one has a solid argument that supports it
Get it done in regulation
@@bloodshg4038 The Chiefs didn't.
Football is called a team sport for a reason. If you can’t stop a 70+ yard touchdown drive when it matters most, you don’t deserve to win.
But the chiefs defense didn’t need to play defense at all putting the bills at a disadvantage because of a coin that’s the argument
@@Keegs14 that’s not how it works. They had 13 seconds to get a stop, that was their chance. Not to mention the Chiefs missed 4 points worth of kicks to even get it there.
By that same token the Chiefs didn't deserve to win either. They weren't stopping Josh Allen in overtime just like the Bills weren't stopping Patrick Mahomes.
@Implicitly What do expectations have to do with anything? The argument was the Bills didn't deserve to win because their defense was a sieve. I countered with the same claim about the Chiefs defense, which is true.
You have no point.
A suggestion I had made in a forum elsewhere a while back was that the teams should be allowed to match until one team gets the ball back with a lead. You always get a chance to tie or go ahead. You don't get the dramatic walk-off TD that way, but I prefer it to the coin-toss winner winning 91% of the time.
But if you stop me then you score a TD, why should I get another opportunity to tie it?
@@Noordhof Good question. The team that gets the ball first actually has a disadvantage: they have to worry about field position. The team that gets the ball second knows in advance whether they need to score or not, and will use their 4th down accordingly.
One of the Monday-morning analysts also had an intriguing idea which I never heard before: in overtime, one team decides where to spot the ball, and the other team chooses whether they want the ball first or not. I still kind of like my idea better, because Mahomes and Allen could have advanced 99 yards no problem.
Keep the overtime rules with the exception of the game being over if the first team on offense scores a touchdown. If one team has the lead after each has had a possession - game over. Meaning that if the first team with the ball scores a touchdown and converts the point-after try then the other team gets a possession. If that team is able to score a touchdown, they then have the option to kick an extra point and put the game into sudden death knowing they will be giving the ball back to the other team or they can go for the 2-point try and win the game outright.
Really that's how it should be......
Changing the rules because they are inadequate, and changing the rules because you wanted the other team to win are two very different things
As a neutral it was the most anticlimactic ending to an all-time classic. Rules need to be changed.
Chiefs fans have been on both sides and I think the majority are in favor of OT changes for the playoffs. I know I am.
I'm here because they're inadequate. I've been thinking about it since 28-3. I just started watching football and didn't know the rules, I saw them score and heard 'Patriots win the Superbowl'. I was like 'that doesn't make any sense'.
I'm just using people talking about it now as an excuse for me to express my frustration for it.
Not a fan of either team. But I’d still be saying it if the broncos won that way. It a bs rule.
What happens before OT is irrelevant. The OT rules are inherently unfair. By virtue of a coin toss, the Bills have to both get a stop AND score to win. The Chiefs only need to score.
Imagine in hockey, during a shootout, if the team that shoots first scores, the game is over and they win. Or, if, in baseball, if the away team scores a run in the top of the 10th, the game is over and they win.
No, that's stupid. We all know it's stupid.
Ive been arguing with someone all day about this. I didnt think to put it that way but it's right on
U talk like this is only for the bills if the chiefs would have lost the toss they would have to do the same how about u bills fans stop making excuses or how about stop someone with 13 seconds so u don't get in this situation
@@jeffreyjoseph97 You didn't think of it because it's wrong lol
Stop and 3 point
The purpose of Overtime in the playoffs is to determine which is the overall better team (Defense + Offense + Specialteams).
Why not let each team get one possession, no matter if the first team scores a TD ? If the game is still tied there could be different approaches for 2nd OT:
a.) Sudden Death (next score wins)
b.) 2pt-Conv-Shootout (Team B always gets a chance to answer)
c.) FG-Shootout (Team B always gets a chance to answer: If both teams miss, repeat from the same distance. If both teams hit the FG, we add 5 or 10 more yards on the next FG attempt)
Thank God for D But and AJ being on about this 🤣 some sense.
3 changes to make OT perfect!
1) If the first team scores a TD, the other team should be given a chance to score. If they score, go back and fourth until one team does not score.
2) If a team scores a TD, they have to go for the 2 point conversion each time! This decreases the chance of the college football scenario of having multiple OT's
3) Only apply this in the postseason
Im voting for u to be the next NFL Commissioner
Pretty solid list. Not sure the NFL would like it because more playing time can equate to more injuries, but I’m always down for a fair game rather than one decided by a coin flip.
100% yes. In a game where both offenses are unstoppable it's only right to let both teams have an equal shot in OT.
The argument against changing the rule is always, "well the defense should stop them."
Shouldn't BOTH defenses have to stop the offenses? Duh
What happens if BOTH defense can't stop the offense. How long do they play for?
@@MrPhilipIrving1 whoever makes it down in the least amount of plays
@@MrPhilipIrving1 until one of them can't match the other team with the score..
So if one team gets a TD the other has to get a TD or the game is over etc
@James Black do you not believe in an equal playing field though?
Both teams have an offense and a defense. Both teams deserve a shot to use both those units in OT so that the game is decided in the fairest way possible.
I was thinking the same thing; yes.... I do think that would be a fair and just rule revision.
I’d do were if a team scores a td on their first td they can only go for a extra poiny and then the opposing team has to go for a 2 point conversion if they score a td
I think "fair" is being mistaken for "what we want to see". I dont think the OT rules are stupid. That being said the "full quarter of OT" would be interesting to see but I'm not sure how they would work it in to try. It's not like we want an extra quarter of a preseason game for testing and I dont think that would do a good job reflecting what a regular season OT, let alone a postseason OT finish would be like. Trying in the regular season would be nutty if you had the rules reset for the playoffs too
The game was decided from a coin flip. Atleast give bills and equal chance to return serve.
The reason its stupid is because the defense decided to make a stop is from a coin flip. Why didn’t we need kansas city to make a stop? A coin flip.
They are definitely stupid, whoever loses the coin toss has to win on defense and offense, it isn’t fair whatsoever
I’m 99% sure when they changed the rule from a field goal instantly wins to only a TD instantly wins, it started in the playoffs and eventually worked it’s way into the regular season.
You people would ban tall kids from playing basketball wouldn't you. The Bills had a chance. They could've won before OT by preventing the coin toss from happening. They didn't. A narrative doesn't qualify as an argument
When the chiefs lose people don’t wanna change the OT rules. When the chiefs win all the sudden people want to change them…
Lol what? They lost to the Patriots in OT who are much more hated. Gtfo
Yep. Where were all these people crying for the rules to change when Tom Terrific beat KC in OT in pretty much the same fashion.
I hate how everyone is always prisoners of the moment.
teams didn't want it to change. Every non pats fan in existence wanted it changed.
The NYG lost. The rules need to change so they are just waiting in the NFC Championship every year.
Whoever gets their gets a break before the SB.
Were you even alive 3 years ago when the Pats beat the Chiefs in OT in the AFC Championship game? It was the same thing then as it is now, people crying for the OT rule to change.
I love the pre go for 2 college rules
Yes, if at least during the post season.
Why is everyone now losing their minds about the overtime rules but when the chiefs talked about it after losing to the pats in the 2019 afc championship they just ignored it
(Checks 2019 Pats roster) you've answered your own question
@@callmeshaggy5166 is it because tom
They need to play the full OT period. If it goes beyond that then do 2 sudden death overtime drives. One for each team whoever gets up the field further wins and if a team turns the ball over before their own 50 they automatically lose
Not really sure what they could replace it with though, the college rules would be unlikely to be approved, and I think a full 15 minute quarter would be somewhat unlikely as well because of player safety concerns. Though I suppose they could have it be just a full quarter or even a shortened quarter only in the playoffs potentially.
@@climaxtv5488 I'd rather it go to a FG kicking contest where they start at the 20 and move back 5 yards or something with each make until one kicker misses, but the 2 point idea isn't bad
3:05 bingo. Just play another qtr in the playoffs… just like NHL-OT & shootouts in reg season, full periods in the postseason
As a Chiefs fan, I wanted to see a two minute drill shootout. Each team gets two minutes from their own 20 and no timeouts.
Ummmmm u did two mins before the OT. These two broke a record. Both teams made a total of 25 pts in the last two mins. That's a damn shoot out , empty the clip, clean the gun, load a new clip and start firing !
I like the idea to just let them play out the full OT quarter. At least in the playoffs.
Yes both teams need a chance
Both teams had a chance. One teams offense was better than the other's defense. What you're really saying is both teams OFFENSE needs a chance. Why even have defense at that point.
Funmy thing my son& i just talked last nite about that& agreed
The “life’s not fair,” and “rules are rules,” arguments both dismiss the fact that the rules of any game can and do change in order make the game better. The game of football is designed in such a way that each possession is asymmetrical (an offensive team and a defensive team) but, over the course of the game, alternating possessions should prove to be a roughly symmetrical test of which team deserves to win. And if the logic is “well, the defense should have made a stop,” then the other team’s defense should have to prove a similar case in order to keep it a symmetrical determination.
I’ll add too that I would have loved to see if the Bills could have responded in kind with another possession. I think it would have been a much more exciting and satisfying game regardless of the fairness argument. And the stats are undeniably skewed towards whoever wins the coin toss wins the game. And games with such high levels of strategy, skill, and investment shouldn’t have their outcomes determined by randomness. Like a coin toss.
I’m a Bills fan. OT is sudden death. The bills coaching staff failed them in this game, not the OT rules.
I'm a chiefs fan. Agreed. Ot wasn't the problem. Going into a pass prevent defense with 13 seconds left and multiple time outs was. Bad coaching. Bad defensive execution
@@johndrews206 Yeah bro Bills fan here and the only reason they lost was because the coach sux running prevent rushing four. How can professional coaches call that type of defense in that situation? When all you have to do is rush 2 and drop 9 because the clock is your friend make Mahomes have to throw into triple coverage. Not taking away from what Mahomes did but the Bills didn't even guard Tyreek or Kelce that's a little hard to believe.
Right. Hell, if the DBs would have held the receivers they would only get a 5 yard penalty and time still comes off the clock.
Not sure what that has anything to do with the stupidity of OT rules.
Overtime rules are fine, there just has to be a better fair way to decided who gets the ball instead of a coin toss.
How bout a best of 3 roshambo
How about both teams get the ball one time, then sudden death. It’s not that complicated.
Unless both teams score each time they get the ball, they had the entire game to score another touchdown or field goal. The additional quarter would be interesting but it also puts a lot more stress on the players bodies. What do you do if it's tied after that point? Play another quarter? Even if you give each team a possession in overtime, if they both score you're essentially back to college rules. Only you're doing it from much farther than 30 yards out.
Maybe after the 5th quarter it's a kickers duel. They start at the 25 and keep moving back 5 yards?
That sounds exciting, even if it takes the best players off the field. How about this: each team gets one possession and if tied after that - kicker dual with both kings at the same goal post. using your method.
i do think it need to change in the playoffs keep the current to rules for regular season and change it to the playoff mode of a full quarter being played. very similar to the NHL regular season is 3 v 3 for 5 min and shoot out to finish if regular ot could decide and when playoffs come its just sudden death full period to score if we could do this some how with foot ball this would be amazing
Yes
Chiefs lost in similar manner and ppl told them to stop crying. Now they win and the whole world complaining. Y'all just hate chiefs don't you??
I think OT rules are fairly simple.
1 15 minutes OT quarter with these rules.
1. If the 1st team scores any points the second team has a chance to match or beat the score.
2. If the score is tied after the 2nd teams possession, repeat step 1. If not, the team with the higher score wins the game.
3. If the game is still tied after the 15 minute quarter is over, play continues but it's sudden death.
His adds a ton of strategy because with an average TD drive taking 4-7 minutes both teams will get the ball. With both teams being able to go for 2 and neither team probably wanting to go into sudden death the game should end after each team has a possession as long as they score.
I have been saying they have to change the rule since 2010 in that NFC title game, 8 mint quarter 2 timeouts each team and just play.
How about this: in the playoffs each team gets the ball the same number of times, and the game ends when the score is no longer tied after one of those pairs of possessions. That's somewhat similar to the college rules, but without the weird rules that take away the battle for field position and the strategy that comes with that. You could add a requirement for a 2-pt conversion as well, I suppose, but it doesn't seem necessary as eventually one of the teams will probably try for it anyway. It does technically increase the chances of a game that goes on forever, but that already exists in the case of no scoring from either team in a playoff OT. Can't say I feel too sorry for the Bills not getting their chance in OT, though, as all they had to do was avoid giving up big plays for 13 seconds at the end of regulation.
How about the bills don't be cry babies, and suck it up like the chiefs had to a couple years ago against the patriots?
The other thing they dont mention is that if the teams go field goal for field goal, the team who won the coin toss can kick another field goal to win it
The rules should be a shootout with 2pt conversions for the regular season
Then play a full quarter in the playoffs
Interesting to hear this discussion. As an somewhat new fan of the game (8 years) and a lifelong football (soccer) fan, I find the NFL overtime rule bizarre. Surely it should be an extra quarter. The question is what to do if it’s still tied? Some equivalent to a penalty shoot out? Maybe 3 short drives each (like a 2pt conversion) then sudden death if still tied. I’m sure that will sound crazy to traditionalists, but an outside perspective is no harm now and then.
Make it like a hockey shootout but with the kickers lol