@@chumlee9562 I understand Sony Pictures focus but gaming deserves better attention specially with PlayStation 5 Sony’s latest OLEDs is amazing but LG’s options still better for gamers.
@@joemikami sony uses lg panels. They're fine tune tvs for movies. Lg worked with nividia to make the best gaming TV. Sony uses those panels and tweaks them for movies . Sony has no idea how to improve beside calbertaion or video processing.. which they're best at
It's more disappointing to see that they didn't solve it with new hardware/panels. I purchased a CX last november and wanted to return to wait for better hardware. In the end I kept the CX and now I'm glad I did. Ok the evo has better brightness but the CX also look very good for that matter. And the new game setting menu is nice but nog a must. I don't see why they can't update a menu for CX to give that menu also.
You're doing a great job! I've just ordered C1 48'' for my PC, but all the tests on consoles are also in a way valuable. I appreciate what you do and what you did last year considering all the problems with VRR in CX series. Thank You!
You could just buy a CX instead of a C1 at this point honestly. You pretty much get exactly the same picture quality and features but for much lower price (at least where i live)
@@MrCrypto137 Actually I have heard that the C1 actually has better picture quality (specifically shadow detail) in SDR games which is basically all of them. I can't confirm this myself as I only have the C1. It also fixed some the flaws on the CX like the luminance overshoot and gsync flicker. This I can confirm since I don't get those things on my C1. I would definitely not suggest getting the CX when the C1 is available at a similar price. It must be a real bargain to buy it over the C1. I know on paper they are very similar but it's best to not always trust on paper specs.
Any idea on how to correct the over brightening of shadows when using boost mode? I was dead set on using this setting, but the picture quality winds up looking worse than 'standard' And i always assumed there was 10ms of lag, not 9.5ms from boost mode.
I'll just add that John Archer from Forbes was in contact with LG engineers, they confirmed the fine tune dark area's adjustment for VRR is also coming to 2019 LG OLED's in a future update.
Why would I lie? New firmware 3.21.18 for CX models: 1. Improvement 1) VRR Raised near black => The new 'Fine Tune Dark Areas' feature, which was added to 2021 and 2020 OLED TVs' menu, will help customers adjust dark areas, which can mitigate some of the raised near black effects customers have experienced. The feature is available in Picture > Additional Settings > Fine Tune Dark Areas (2020 TVs) and General > Game Optimizer > Fine Tune Dark Areas (2021 TVs) 2) iTV App playback error (in the UK) => There were cases where videos looped to play automatically, when interrupted by ads, stopped the automatic play. The bug has been fixed.
@@samwalsh8299 Just going from the information initially put out by lg, by testing them (people may have already been busy so not sure) the difference may be negligible, especially the clarity increase.
There won't be an increase in clarity. But higher peak brightness is not the only difference. Panasonic's cooling tech allows the tv to have a much longer life. Extends the life of the blue pixel and reduces burn in risk dramatically. And yes, actually being able to watch the tv during the day helps. Higher peak brightness allows for a wider color gamut. The C1 will be the same thing as the C9 and CX. All of us CX owners would kill for a bit more peak brightness. It is not a small thing. Looking at how good miles morales just looked on his screen..yea there's a noticeable boost in real-scene peak brightness.
@@Ahov29 Will probably require a new chipset, like Alpha10 processor the G1/C1 series are still using an updated 9 series processor. Proper G-Sync hardware displays use an expensive FPGA to do all dynamic overdrive and gamma calculations in real time, this is roughly speaking what LG needs but built into the Alpha10 chip. This is why Freesync & HDMI-VRR is so much cheaper to add but OLED exposed this inherent weakness whereas on LCD image quality is poor to begin with so it wasn't as noticeable with Freesync monitors.
Yeah this is unacceptable for a premium TV to be flickering and raised gamma with worser black to grey gradients. You can ignore it but when I played The medium game on xbox series x the flicker was so bad! I had to turn VRR off
@@brandonlee7382 Just asking.. the flickering happend in all games when you turn on VRR? i can't find a video showing this.. if you know any, can you link the video? :) .. Currently I have a B7 and this tv do not have that.. so i dont know what is that or how should be when flickering :V.. also raide gamme and worse black when you turn on VRR? O_o
Is there any downside to turning on the input lag “boost” option? Seems like it should just be on by default. I don’t know anyone who prefers more lag.
I dont know buy the lg cx (c10) or the lg c1 for PS5? You should make a vídeo comparing the two tvs next to each other. And what is your opinion between the two tvs? Continue the good work thanks for the vídeo
@@wackswax8423 the price in Portugal of the CX 1300 € the C1 must be 2000 € is much more expensive. But if the difference between the TVs is justified to wait I wait for the c1. if you don’t notice the difference then I want the CX to appear to be one of the best gaming TVs.
Hi Vincent. Can you clarify. So boost mode only benefits 60fps gaming? Correct me if I understood it incorrectly. 120fps yields 4.8ms on standard but on boost it is 9.6ms?
I don't understand why you are using a new HDMI cable. Series x and the PS5 comes with HDMI 2.1 right? Is this cable better or where is the difference?
Hi Vincent, I am a little confused in what you were trying to say when using the prevent input delay tab. As you mentioned, for standard, the input lag was much lower at 120hz. However, in standard mode, you stated at 120hz, it was 4.8 ms. But then you mentioned it would go up to around 9ms at 120hz in boost mode. Wouldn't the input lag be even lower than 4ms in boost mode at 120hz? Not higher? Thanks.
The first one was a 4k resolution, the second was a 1080p resolution. When he turned on boost that was only from what he showed a 4k resolution. So 4k goes from 12ms to 9 with boost. Look at the resolution when he talks about it. So if boost mode works for 1080p as well likely what you said will be correct.
He used the boost mode on a 60hz signal. But the TV does a trick with boost and treats the 60hz signal as if it were a 120hz signal but the TV displays the 60hz image two times. This might confuse the the Leo Bodnar lag tester. It's hard to say if you are getting true 4.8ms or the double time of 9.6ms.
Yeah I just bought mine this week, the only thing I was worried about was game optimizer of the c1. Now I see that its not that important to be honest. Even with input lag boost it could probably cause ghosting, im going strictly off of how monitors work. All in all im glad im not having buyers remorse. Now I just wonder how the peak brightness differ from the cx to c1.
@@davidf2062 I’m not a expert, but I don’t think ghosting can happen with OLED’s as the pixels can turn on and off instantly. LCD’s by comparison fade in and out which is probably why you end up with ghosted imaging.
@@dan123collins probably right, this is my first oled. I can only compare certain things similar to ips/tn/va monitors. Usually when there's a setting that decreases input lag, there is usually a trade off. All in all, this oled tech is great none the less.
I looked into this and for TV's smaller than 65" you can get a generic (and rotatable) stand that attaches to the wall mount bracket on the back. It might wobble a bit - but it's an option other than feet, and allows you to move the TV out of the sun or to face a different seat a bit easier if that is something you wanted to do. I think if you want to buy a BETTER and more expensive option some Monitor mounts may be made to fit - since the GX is reasonably light weight.
So what you are telling me is that the new G1 will have basically the same VRR gaming problems than last year? i can only manual correct the gamma shift? thats of no use if a game im running has a wide range of frames (lets say 80-120fps) right?
If you buy a new one then luckily the answer is no. I have one and haven't experienced this issue. Could be due to the new Evo panel or maybe a patch. Either way it seems fixed now.
I find this the best all rounder settings: TV Brightness 86, Contrast 86, Sharpness 10, Reduce Blue Light to OFF, Boost Mode ON. Game Optimizer ON - Standard Black Stabilizer 13 White Stabilizer 6 Adust the TV speakers using AI Acoustic to measure room and turn Standard to Bass Boost from the options. Also leave AI on.
@@jokatharockstar Xbox Series X playing Diablo II, Doom Enternal, King of Fighters 15 and Tomb Raider: SoTR, Halo Infinite. I've also re-adjusted Game Optimiser: Black Stabiliser to 12 White Stabiliser to 10 For TV: Picture - Advanced Settings - Colour - Colour Gamut set to Native. For TV: Picture - Advanced Settings - Colour - Fine Tune - Coloure Upgrade set to User Selection. I suppose you just got to go with your eyes on what looks good for you.
We olso got gamma mitigation vrr on cx now on the new update they roll out now olso the C9 will get it but I'm unsure if they will add this gaming hub in a future update but i belive they will. Lg has the best customer service of all TV companies no matter what 👍👍👍
@@BlackBruceLeeTheGreatDekuTree In Germany you pay over 1.200€ for the 55" CX at the moment where else I just bought the C1 in 55" for 1.029€ because they are offering cashback and the retail granted a discount too. So the C1 can be cheaper than then CX, but of course you can buy a used CX for less.
@@sabo_974 Same here in South Africa. The C1 is actually a lot cheaper than the CX due to black Friday specials and alot more available. No reason to buy to CX now when the C1 can be found for less than the equavilant of $1000.
I know the 77 g1 is brighter but how much brighter? The room is very dark day or night so would the 83 c1 be bright enough and more emerssive? I still have not seen the price of the 83 c1 will it be a lot more then the 77 g1?
@@johncapone8843 I only know the a90j is about 100 nits brighter than a cx, both after calibration. The small specular highlights on the a90j are supposed to really pop, so we need a comparison to g1 see if it does something similar. If it's a dark room c1 should be fine. Bigger is more immersive. Wait for more reviews. You probably need to see them in person but at store their in demo mode, you would want to put them both in most accurate picture preset to judge.
@@jessibrate8155 He said he needs to play with settings more to give definite answer. Only expect it to be an issue with XSX and PC in game . For PS5 people reporting who have the G1 already that they just seeing it happen occasionally in menus.
Bah dissapointed what is the point in vrr if your still getting black flicker always a compromise really was looking forward to upgrading to g1 from my lg b7 but still can't justify it still no dts support over earc, vrr flicker, and they obviously havnt quite delivered on the brightness oh well maybe next year. Is there anyone out there that knows if AV recievers add input lag to games in passthrough mode I'd love to know. Cant seem to find definitive evidence based answers anyway ie Leo bodnar test results it would be much appreciated? Vincent your obviously a busy man but if you test this you'd be my hero for life.
Can I ask you something please I’ve looked everywhere. Is there anyway to fix the juddering in gaming mode on c1 lg oled tv ? Some games not all on ps5 have bad juddering in gaming mode but not in any other mode like standard. However the input lag feature is missing in other mode besides gaming. On the flip side the juddering feature is missing in gaming mode. This is driving me crazy.
Hey guys I have the vrr flicker on my LG BX. Does this effect the CX and all of their other Tvs too? Also what is the best solution. Is it just best to turn off vrr on the series x settings? Thanks
Can someone tell me why the game optimizer picture mode is drastically dimmer than the standard mode? I’m trying to mess with stuff but the peak brightness setting is greyed out in game optimized picture mode.
The input lag benefit in 60 hz was underwhelming to my understanding it looks to be the exact same “boost” that the Xbox does at a console level when you engage 120hz on 60 hz content. @hdtvtest ?
@@christiansoneson5631 The standard 12.5ms of input lag is already incredibly low for 60hz gaming. Nobody would be able to tell the difference between 9.5 and 12.5ms of input lag, its too small of a difference.
Hi Vincent I have a question, does it change anything in gaming experience on PS5 with VRR Freesync/G-sync activated on the LG C1 despite beeing unavailable on the game console?
I just got the c1 and tinkering with it a bit and I noticed some of the options in the settings aren't clickable even though they are clearly there... can someone help?
I thought series x was running of a amd gpu, would it benefit from having gync on ? Saw some folks discussing it on Reddit saying free sync is best when used with series x
@@SavageSword1993 The input lag on LG Oled is very low. And in game optimizer mode the input lag is perfect for gaming, you don’t even need “booster”. You can turn both on and Xbox picks what he needs. And when you doubt just leave in AMD
Vinny can you confirm If LG have done away with the annoying Instant game response pop up window that pops up about 20 times on past Oled models ? Please tell me they have also what about the no signal text box on the gallery screen saver is that still present cheers buddy.
@@MichelleAlexandria-EM mine comes on every time you start a game, quit a game to dashboard, change any setting on the console most annoying thing ever
Does the C1 G1 have the same input lag as the cx? i own a 65 and 55 cx and was thinking on replacing them if the c1 and g1 got lower input lag, if not ill keep my cx
🤔 So I have a question, does the "gsync" compatibility give you any additional feature or functionality like increased vrr range over say getting a TV that has vrr? Or is it just a marketing thing and it would be the same as getting a TV that supports vrr?
It’s essentially the same as freesync. Historically nvidia incorporated a hardware solution, but I assume on these TV’s it’s just a software equivalent that Nvidia moved over to. There’s no real additional functionality over freesync or HDMI VRR as far as I can tell.
I have an LG G1 that I'm using as a PC monitor. Should I have it in game optimizer mode or should I set it to film maker mode for accuracy? I don't care about input lag or image processing used by game mode, I just want the picture to be most accurate. Thanks.
The desk you have for using the TV with a keyboard and mouse looks nice! I've been trying to find a deep desk myself but don't know how deep it would need to be. Can you share what desk that is?
I have the lg cx and when I play 30fps games it is stuttering like hell. When I turn of instand game response it's way better but the input lag is very very high. What can I do? Please help.
My option for OLED motion pro is off and grayed out. Can't figure out how to make it selectable and be able to turn it on. Could anyone please help me?
All these settings i need to change when playing games. Do i need to change them back when i watch movies or can i save it to a profile or something? Thanks 🤜🤛
Make sure your PS5 is in Performance mode if you wanna apply 120 Fps ( not all games have it mostly competitive shooters ex cod, destiny,battlefield?) Edit: theres two settings Performance mode 60/120fps , Quality mode 30/60fps some older ps4 games dont have the ps5 upgrade so will run at 30 unless it has been unlocked to run at 60)
Yeah only like 12 games hit 120fps on ps5 if that's really important to you grab a series X like a 100 games could hit 120fps mostly because of backwards compatibility stuff
@@LiquidSm0ke Lol, nah not sickness, we just have more knowledge of it throughout the years so we can see what needs or can be improved. It's like going to the gym and working out, the more knowledge and experience you have the better you'll do.
If I measured 650 nits in game mode after lg autocal, would it be better to not clip the hgig bright pattern? Sure it wouldn't make much difference anyway.
nice that with "Fine Tune Dark Areas" LG gives us at least the means to soften the impact of vrr gamma flickering. I bet any other gaming display manufacturer would just completely ignore the issue
Gsync is activated externally, not on the TV. I’m not entirely sure why LG have added a toggle for it on the TV, but usually you would turn it on or off on the PC/Console end.
G-sync is activated only when the application starts. The application API must support G-sync (but that is almost all of them OpenGL and Vulkan are now supported too).
I don't know why, but the HDRTone Mapping option is not showing on my C1. Is this happening to anyone else? Do I have to do something for it to show up?
I have a question I can’t seem to find an answer for online, hoping someone can help. I have a soundbar system with satellite speakers and a sub (5.1 system) it’s hooked up to my Vizio through HDMI Arc and sounds good but my default TV speakers sound bad. I’m getting my LG Oled c1 delivered here tomorrow and the audio specs on the TV look vastly better than my current TV. My question is this - If your television has a great audio system built in to it with a bunch of bonuses and stuff, does that translate to a better external audio output? Will my surround sound setup sound even better and clearer? My reason for my thought for this is, when the soundbar is connected to the TV then the soundbar is gathering audio from the TV, right? So wouldn’t better base TV audio translate into better sounding audio from speakers hooked up to the TV? Anyone know?
Was really hoping they'd allow trumotion in game mode. In saying that, it says trumotion is set to user if motion pro is turned on, does that mean you can still use it if set prior??
Thank you, Vincent! I realize you're about to move on from testing the CX. But would you be able to test the CX and C1 (and maybe other displays) to see if banding gets better when the Xbox Series X/PS5 consoles are put in 60hz mode (vs 120hz mode)? Many users are claiming that 60hz mode reduces banding. It'd be great to get your more thorough and objective analysis!
Thanks for your videos, Vincent! Are you planning to test this TV with the Nvidia 30 series as well? I'm very disappointed that LG has not put a Full 48gbs HDMI 2.1 this year either. And I've seen some tests about peak brightness and it looks almost the same as previous models (CX or C9), where is the 20% more pick brightness? Panasonic reach out 1000nits since 2019 on their flagship model and this year even Sony with the A90J or not?
Current panel technology cap out at 40gbps. So you will never see the benefit of 48gbps even with a 48gbps hdmi. As for the G1 peak nits.... it’s probably lower than everyone expected. Vincent will put out his review soon I’m sure.
I love that Tv companies are now giving so much attention to games
Specially LG, gaming isn't a priority for Sony for example (which is ironic being the makers of PlayStation)
@@joemikami you forget sony pictures,
@@chumlee9562 I understand Sony Pictures focus but gaming deserves better attention specially with PlayStation 5
Sony’s latest OLEDs is amazing but LG’s options still better for gamers.
@@joemikami sony uses lg panels. They're fine tune tvs for movies. Lg worked with nividia to make the best gaming TV. Sony uses those panels and tweaks them for movies . Sony has no idea how to improve beside calbertaion or video processing.. which they're best at
@@chumlee9562 So basically buy one of each.
Buy a Sony A90J (or Panasonic JZ2000) for movies and a LG G1 for gaming.
Huge thanks Vincent for taking the time.
It's too bad the fix for VRR gamma couldn't be a little more satisfying.
It's more disappointing to see that they didn't solve it with new hardware/panels. I purchased a CX last november and wanted to return to wait for better hardware. In the end I kept the CX and now I'm glad I did. Ok the evo has better brightness but the CX also look very good for that matter. And the new game setting menu is nice but nog a must. I don't see why they can't update a menu for CX to give that menu also.
@@markdegoeij4996 Exactly. They gotta have a selling point for people to upgrade.
@mrfujisawa I bet they always knew of it just tried to hide it
You're doing a great job! I've just ordered C1 48'' for my PC, but all the tests on consoles are also in a way valuable. I appreciate what you do and what you did last year considering all the problems with VRR in CX series. Thank You!
You could just buy a CX instead of a C1 at this point honestly. You pretty much get exactly the same picture quality and features but for much lower price (at least where i live)
@@MrCrypto137 A lot of people lack basic common sense and money management skills.
@@MrCrypto137 Actually I have heard that the C1 actually has better picture quality (specifically shadow detail) in SDR games which is basically all of them. I can't confirm this myself as I only have the C1. It also fixed some the flaws on the CX like the luminance overshoot and gsync flicker. This I can confirm since I don't get those things on my C1. I would definitely not suggest getting the CX when the C1 is available at a similar price. It must be a real bargain to buy it over the C1. I know on paper they are very similar but it's best to not always trust on paper specs.
Any idea on how to correct the over brightening of shadows when using boost mode? I was dead set on using this setting, but the picture quality winds up looking worse than 'standard' And i always assumed there was 10ms of lag, not 9.5ms from boost mode.
CX and C1 comparison vid please
He obviously will when the review embargo is lifted.
@@kyler2557 When does the review embargo lift?
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I will rewatch this when I buy C1
I have the g1 with series X. Games don’t play in hdr
I'll just add that John Archer from Forbes was in contact with LG engineers, they confirmed the fine tune dark area's adjustment for VRR is also coming to 2019 LG OLED's in a future update.
Its out already
@@junaidx Why are you lying?
Why would I lie?
New firmware 3.21.18 for CX models:
1. Improvement
1) VRR Raised near black
=> The new 'Fine Tune Dark Areas' feature, which was added to 2021 and 2020 OLED TVs' menu, will help customers adjust dark areas, which can mitigate some of the raised near black effects customers have experienced.
The feature is available in Picture > Additional Settings > Fine Tune Dark Areas (2020 TVs) and General > Game Optimizer > Fine Tune Dark Areas (2021 TVs)
2) iTV App playback error (in the UK)
=> There were cases where videos looped to play automatically, when interrupted by ads, stopped the automatic play.
The bug has been fixed.
@@junaidx That's for the CX...not 2019 models like the C9.
@@Lors111 oh shoot you're right! Missed that.
Thx for the video! Will you make a comparison of the G1 and C1? I would like to know if the difference of cost between both is worth it!
I imagine features will be identical, just the screen brightness and clarity being the difference
@@David-bj8ri well that’s pretty much half of what you want from a tv, clarity and brightness.
@@samwalsh8299 Just going from the information initially put out by lg, by testing them (people may have already been busy so not sure) the difference may be negligible, especially the clarity increase.
There won't be an increase in clarity. But higher peak brightness is not the only difference. Panasonic's cooling tech allows the tv to have a much longer life. Extends the life of the blue pixel and reduces burn in risk dramatically. And yes, actually being able to watch the tv during the day helps. Higher peak brightness allows for a wider color gamut. The C1 will be the same thing as the C9 and CX.
All of us CX owners would kill for a bit more peak brightness. It is not a small thing. Looking at how good miles morales just looked on his screen..yea there's a noticeable boost in real-scene peak brightness.
@@Cblan1224 would that warrant you to spend another 2k for same tv just slightly brighter or would you wait a few years
Just set up my 55C1 this video was a big help. TYVM.
It's a real shame the hardware issue of VRR gamma fluctuations could not be fixed.
It's ridiculous that they didn't fix it with the 2021 models. Better to wait for 2022 models in that case.
@@asimb0mb better 2024
@@Ahov29 Will probably require a new chipset, like Alpha10 processor the G1/C1 series are still using an updated 9 series processor. Proper G-Sync hardware displays use an expensive FPGA to do all dynamic overdrive and gamma calculations in real time, this is roughly speaking what LG needs but built into the Alpha10 chip. This is why Freesync & HDMI-VRR is so much cheaper to add but OLED exposed this inherent weakness whereas on LCD image quality is poor to begin with so it wasn't as noticeable with Freesync monitors.
Yeah this is unacceptable for a premium TV to be flickering and raised gamma with worser black to grey gradients. You can ignore it but when I played The medium game on xbox series x the flicker was so bad! I had to turn VRR off
@@brandonlee7382 Just asking.. the flickering happend in all games when you turn on VRR? i can't find a video showing this.. if you know any, can you link the video? :) .. Currently I have a B7 and this tv do not have that.. so i dont know what is that or how should be when flickering :V.. also raide gamme and worse black when you turn on VRR? O_o
Will LG add game optimizer for 2020 models with Firmware update?
I don’t think so (they want to sell c1s)
Is there any downside to turning on the input lag “boost” option? Seems like it should just be on by default. I don’t know anyone who prefers more lag.
I dont know buy the lg cx (c10) or the lg c1 for PS5? You should make a vídeo comparing the two tvs next to each other. And what is your opinion between the two tvs? Continue the good work thanks for the vídeo
CX unless u wanna wait for c1 price drop. I have the cx48 and it’s amazing
@@wackswax8423 the price in Portugal of the CX 1300 € the C1 must be 2000 € is much more expensive. But if the difference between the TVs is justified to wait I wait for the c1. if you don’t notice the difference then I want the CX to appear to be one of the best gaming TVs.
@@wackswax8423 cx 48 is on sale at the moment for £1300 not sure wether to get it
@@riefeio do it right now. If you’re using a next gen console you will not be disappointed
@@wackswax8423 yeah i got the p5, im afraid of burn in though
Hi Vincent.
Can you clarify. So boost mode only benefits 60fps gaming?
Correct me if I understood it incorrectly.
120fps yields 4.8ms on standard but on boost it is 9.6ms?
I don't understand why you are using a new HDMI cable. Series x and the PS5 comes with HDMI 2.1 right? Is this cable better or where is the difference?
Don't take this as a Diss but I'm genuinely happy that your dragging it out with this TV just can't wait for the j80/90
You're*
I remember a time TVs where reviewed as a TV now it seems everyone reviews them as gaming monitors 😁
I totally get that - I don''t even have an aerial on my TV the TV aspect isn't even tuned in.
Vincent could game optimiser or specifically input lag boost mode come to the lg cx via firmware update?
I think the game optimizer is using the new chip to achieve the desired effects, so probably not.
Hi Vincent,
I am a little confused in what you were trying to say when using the prevent input delay tab. As you mentioned, for standard, the input lag was much lower at 120hz. However, in standard mode, you stated at 120hz, it was 4.8 ms. But then you mentioned it would go up to around 9ms at 120hz in boost mode. Wouldn't the input lag be even lower than 4ms in boost mode at 120hz? Not higher? Thanks.
The first one was a 4k resolution, the second was a 1080p resolution. When he turned on boost that was only from what he showed a 4k resolution.
So 4k goes from 12ms to 9 with boost. Look at the resolution when he talks about it. So if boost mode works for 1080p as well likely what you said will be correct.
He used the boost mode on a 60hz signal. But the TV does a trick with boost and treats the 60hz signal as if it were a 120hz signal but the TV displays the 60hz image two times. This might confuse the the Leo Bodnar lag tester. It's hard to say if you are getting true 4.8ms or the double time of 9.6ms.
So I am not the only one who is confused..
For those wondering, the RPG in SDR around 3:16 is Battle Chasers: Night War.
Cool ... Thanks a lot
I stick with my 65 lg cx for a few years to come.
Yeah I just bought mine this week, the only thing I was worried about was game optimizer of the c1. Now I see that its not that important to be honest. Even with input lag boost it could probably cause ghosting, im going strictly off of how monitors work. All in all im glad im not having buyers remorse. Now I just wonder how the peak brightness differ from the cx to c1.
Yes no point upgrading 1 year not long time in tech.
@@davidf2062 I’m not a expert, but I don’t think ghosting can happen with OLED’s as the pixels can turn on and off instantly. LCD’s by comparison fade in and out which is probably why you end up with ghosted imaging.
@@dan123collins probably right, this is my first oled. I can only compare certain things similar to ips/tn/va monitors. Usually when there's a setting that decreases input lag, there is usually a trade off. All in all, this oled tech is great none the less.
Yep, just bought the LG OLED 77"cx 👌 for marginal improvements most people will not perceive and a new gimmicky web OS, I'll keep my coin.
Low blow from LG 100usd for feet ohh boy 😳
I looked into this and for TV's smaller than 65" you can get a generic (and rotatable) stand that attaches to the wall mount bracket on the back. It might wobble a bit - but it's an option other than feet, and allows you to move the TV out of the sun or to face a different seat a bit easier if that is something you wanted to do. I think if you want to buy a BETTER and more expensive option some Monitor mounts may be made to fit - since the GX is reasonably light weight.
Will LG add Game optimiser FW to 2020 OLED?
So what you are telling me is that the new G1 will have basically the same VRR gaming problems than last year? i can only manual correct the gamma shift? thats of no use if a game im running has a wide range of frames (lets say 80-120fps) right?
Do all LG C1's suffer from freesync or VRR flickering? It's the reason i got rid of my samsung q70t65..
If you buy a new one then luckily the answer is no. I have one and haven't experienced this issue. Could be due to the new Evo panel or maybe a patch. Either way it seems fixed now.
I find this the best all rounder settings:
TV
Brightness 86, Contrast 86, Sharpness 10, Reduce Blue Light to OFF, Boost Mode ON.
Game Optimizer ON -
Standard
Black Stabilizer 13
White Stabilizer 6
Adust the TV speakers using AI Acoustic to measure room and turn Standard to Bass Boost from the options. Also leave AI on.
Which games are you playing and what system?
@@jokatharockstar
Xbox Series X playing Diablo II, Doom Enternal, King of Fighters 15 and Tomb Raider: SoTR, Halo Infinite.
I've also re-adjusted Game Optimiser:
Black Stabiliser to 12
White Stabiliser to 10
For TV:
Picture - Advanced Settings - Colour - Colour Gamut set to Native.
For TV:
Picture - Advanced Settings - Colour - Fine Tune - Coloure Upgrade set to User Selection.
I suppose you just got to go with your eyes on what looks good for you.
Really appreciate it. This looks like a good foundation to build on. My last TV was a LED so everything looks better LOL
AI always off. Period.
standard is better than boost for input lag. why would u set it on boost. assuming ur on 120hz
We olso got gamma mitigation vrr on cx now on the new update they roll out now olso the C9 will get it but I'm unsure if they will add this gaming hub in a future update but i belive they will. Lg has the best customer service of all TV companies no matter what 👍👍👍
So C1 and CX will be basically the same tv...
Yes and now that the CX has the black stabilizer adjustment there is really no reason to buy the c1
@@BlackBruceLeeTheGreatDekuTree In Germany you pay over 1.200€ for the 55" CX at the moment where else I just bought the C1 in 55" for 1.029€ because they are offering cashback and the retail granted a discount too. So the C1 can be cheaper than then CX, but of course you can buy a used CX for less.
@@sabo_974 Same here in South Africa. The C1 is actually a lot cheaper than the CX due to black Friday specials and alot more available. No reason to buy to CX now when the C1 can be found for less than the equavilant of $1000.
Any reason to get the 2021 48 Oled over the 2020 CX? Are there any true benefits to the new c1 model?
I have 2 questions, do both the c1 and g1 have full 48gbs hdmi 2.1? And for a mostly dark room would you go with the 77 inch g1 or the 83 inch c1?
For price 77" G1 is better value for sure
I think they're both 40gbs. I would go with 77 g1 but they say an 83 looks quite a bit bigger.
83 c1 for me
I know the 77 g1 is brighter but how much brighter? The room is very dark day or night so would the 83 c1 be bright enough and more emerssive? I still have not seen the price of the 83 c1 will it be a lot more then the 77 g1?
@@johncapone8843 I only know the a90j is about 100 nits brighter than a cx, both after calibration. The small specular highlights on the a90j are supposed to really pop, so we need a comparison to g1 see if it does something similar.
If it's a dark room c1 should be fine. Bigger is more immersive. Wait for more reviews. You probably need to see them in person but at store their in demo mode, you would want to put them both in most accurate picture preset to judge.
This is pretty much the highlight of Vincent Teoh‘s life!
That’s what his wife said!
Hi Vincent, when will you be doing an in depth analysis on the new 03.21.18 firmware for the CX and what the new fine tune slider actually does?
I'm worried about the brightness... You have yet to mention it. Did LG say not to mention it yet?
We usually run in an OLED TV for 100 hours to let the panel and automatic algorithm stabilise before measuring/ testing.
@@hdtvtest are they any problems with VRR gamma flickering like the LG CX have?
@@jessibrate8155 He said he needs to play with settings more to give definite answer. Only expect it to be an issue with XSX and PC in game . For PS5 people reporting who have the G1 already that they just seeing it happen occasionally in menus.
@@troymuni6120 because ps5 doesn't support vrr yet...
Bah dissapointed what is the point in vrr if your still getting black flicker always a compromise really was looking forward to upgrading to g1 from my lg b7 but still can't justify it still no dts support over earc, vrr flicker, and they obviously havnt quite delivered on the brightness oh well maybe next year. Is there anyone out there that knows if AV recievers add input lag to games in passthrough mode I'd love to know. Cant seem to find definitive evidence based answers anyway ie Leo bodnar test results it would be much appreciated? Vincent your obviously a busy man but if you test this you'd be my hero for life.
Can I ask you something please I’ve looked everywhere. Is there anyway to fix the juddering in gaming mode on c1 lg oled tv ? Some games not all on ps5 have bad juddering in gaming mode but not in any other mode like standard. However the input lag feature is missing in other mode besides gaming. On the flip side the juddering feature is missing in gaming mode. This is driving me crazy.
Hey guys I have the vrr flicker on my LG BX. Does this effect the CX and all of their other Tvs too? Also what is the best solution. Is it just best to turn off vrr on the series x settings? Thanks
Can someone tell me why the game optimizer picture mode is drastically dimmer than the standard mode? I’m trying to mess with stuff but the peak brightness setting is greyed out in game optimized picture mode.
So what is the input lag in 4K at 120hz ? 9.5 or 12.5 ? Great videos as usual :)
4,8ms
Is it worth using boost??
@@oooo1110 Why should you not use it? Has no disadvantage.
Thanks for this video! So Upgrading to 2021 Model because of VRR Flicker is kimda useless. Just buy 2020 models now for a nice discount
Or Sony A80J or Sony A90J for best all round OLED experience movies TV and gaming and brighter Dolby Vision HDR.
I agree, better deal marginal improvements. Money for other priorities 👍
@@shanew7361 Or Sony Bravia OLED much better than LG
@@RobertK1993 That's a matter of opinion. I have LG OLED 77"cx and enjoy it. Either way, buy what you enjoy. 🤷
@@RobertK1993 better at everything but gaming, since vrr and allm is still coming in a "future update"
Will those feet that you have the G1 mounted on be available to buy? Really want the G1 but being forced to wall mount it isn’t ideal
Yes. In the US they cost $99 on LG store I believe. Shame they've just given the Evo panel to the one that's meant to be wall mounted 😕
@@dangrove27 Also a shame that the design of the feet means it won't work with narrower media cabinets anyway.
I also wonder if the upcoming LG CX firmware update will further lower the input lag
I hope so
The input lag benefit in 60 hz was underwhelming to my understanding it looks to be the exact same “boost” that the Xbox does at a console level when you engage 120hz on 60 hz content. @hdtvtest ?
@@christiansoneson5631 The standard 12.5ms of input lag is already incredibly low for 60hz gaming. Nobody would be able to tell the difference between 9.5 and 12.5ms of input lag, its too small of a difference.
@@charvelgtrsword
Great video! Thanks from Norway
Hi Vincent I have a question, does it change anything in gaming experience on PS5 with VRR Freesync/G-sync activated on the LG C1 despite beeing unavailable on the game console?
I just got the c1 and tinkering with it a bit and I noticed some of the options in the settings aren't clickable even though they are clearly there... can someone help?
@HDTVTest Do you know if theres a work around the get the fine tune dark areas setting while connected to a PC?
I thought series x was running of a amd gpu, would it benefit from having gync on ? Saw some folks discussing it on Reddit saying free sync is best when used with series x
I read somewhere you can turn in both and the Xbox takes the right one
@@Spook2312 I’m wondering tho if having both on will effect Input lag , playing for honor every bit counts definitely while playing against pc players
@@SavageSword1993 The input lag on LG Oled is very low. And in game optimizer mode the input lag is perfect for gaming, you don’t even need “booster”. You can turn both on and Xbox picks what he needs. And when you doubt just leave in AMD
Hi Vincent what is the input lag with 4K and vrr enabled on the c1 and g1?
Im curious also
If I remember correctly it's 9,5ms on the C1 and 15ms on the CX. It's honestly no much worse than the default and it's basically negligible.
Could contact LG an day this should be pushed to CX owners too!!!!
Vinny can you confirm If LG have done away with the annoying Instant game response pop up window that pops up about 20 times on past Oled models ? Please tell me they have also what about the no signal text box on the gallery screen saver is that still present cheers buddy.
it inky pops up once on my tv and that’s when I turn my console on.
@@MichelleAlexandria-EM mine comes on every time you start a game, quit a game to dashboard, change any setting on the console most annoying thing ever
Do you have a problem with your LG tv powering off while playing video games on your PS5?
Does the C1 G1 have the same input lag as the cx? i own a 65 and 55 cx and was thinking on replacing them if the c1 and g1 got lower input lag, if not ill keep my cx
Hey there. Can I get 120fps 1080p on a GTX1080 over HDMI 2.0b on apex legends with VRR? Thank you I've found so much conflicting information.
thanks , great video as usual. kindly requesting the brightness test. How many nitts u managed to get on the new G1 .!!!!!
I particularly appreciate the recommendation for the HDMI cable.
Got the C1 but which input lag i choice? Standart or boost ? Did i lose some quality when i pic boost ?
🤔 So I have a question, does the "gsync" compatibility give you any additional feature or functionality like increased vrr range over say getting a TV that has vrr? Or is it just a marketing thing and it would be the same as getting a TV that supports vrr?
It’s essentially the same as freesync. Historically nvidia incorporated a hardware solution, but I assume on these TV’s it’s just a software equivalent that Nvidia moved over to. There’s no real additional functionality over freesync or HDMI VRR as far as I can tell.
@@rare6499 yeah that's what I have seen, so I just wanted to confirm if the "gsync" was just for marketing and it appears to be the case
@@rare6499 no, it is not. Freesync HDR uses BT.2390 DTM.
@@TaimatCR it is just for marketing. Real G-sync is from 0 Hz. Also it is "G-sync compatible".
Can you test the new update on the CX oleds to see if it fixed the VRR gamma flicker ?
I have an LG G1 that I'm using as a PC monitor. Should I have it in game optimizer mode or should I set it to film maker mode for accuracy? I don't care about input lag or image processing used by game mode, I just want the picture to be most accurate. Thanks.
i have a lg c1 48 (with game optimizer enabled) and the input delay with the pS5 is higher than my old 2017 tv, is this normal?
I have a ps5 and the C1 and have set it up as advised with the hgig on, but I'm finding my screen a little dark. Have I missed something? Thanks!
Is this enough of an upgrade to replace a brand new CX? My gut says probably not, but I'm not the expert.
So use HGIG for all hdr games, even thou only 1 or 2 games support it ? will it still work correctly then for non supported hdr games ?
The desk you have for using the TV with a keyboard and mouse looks nice! I've been trying to find a deep desk myself but don't know how deep it would need to be. Can you share what desk that is?
For PS5 hdr calibration. Is it still 15 clicks or should we stop when the image is gone?
Perfect explanations, thanks!
I have the lg cx and when I play 30fps games it is stuttering like hell. When I turn of instand game response it's way better but the input lag is very very high. What can I do? Please help.
is this 9.5ms Input Lag Boost really useful ? do i miss something with my CX at 120hz?
My option for OLED motion pro is off and grayed out. Can't figure out how to make it selectable and be able to turn it on. Could anyone please help me?
Same here, did you solve it? Am on PC though
How does the game optimizer compare with how the CX runs games?
All these settings i need to change when playing games. Do i need to change them back when i watch movies or can i save it to a profile or something? Thanks 🤜🤛
Will this be available for 2020 tv’s?
what's the reason of having black and white stabiliser if they only work at standard values ?
Can you please test input lag with 60hz input and motion pro on high? it was terrible on the cx 29ms.
I got the lg nanocell 85 series, do you guys think I got the best, cheapest tv with all of the gaming features I need?
For gaming yeah, for movies blech...
I have the same tv with ps5 and hdmi 2.1 cable and vrr is not working
How can i enable it or find why its not working
With the latest update it’s telling me I’m getting 60 FPS on the PS5.. I’m pretty sure all settings are activated to get 120. Will it vary by game?
Make sure your PS5 is in Performance mode if you wanna apply 120 Fps ( not all games have it mostly competitive shooters ex cod, destiny,battlefield?)
Edit: theres two settings Performance mode 60/120fps , Quality mode 30/60fps some older ps4 games dont have the ps5 upgrade so will run at 30 unless it has been unlocked to run at 60)
Yeah only like 12 games hit 120fps on ps5 if that's really important to you grab a series X like a 100 games could hit 120fps mostly because of backwards compatibility stuff
do you think the 42 g1 will be a reasonable pc monitor solution? That 6" in drop from the 48" might be just enough.
Need suggestion should I buy cx BCS it got cheap now or is it worth getting G1?
Are there plans for this menu to be implemented to the 2020 LG CX series?
I was wondering this too.
Is 120hz/fps with dolby vision possible on a LG C1 or is 120hz/fps only possible with HDR10?
i hate that buying a TV's and Consoles became a science of his own
Right I wish they just ran perfect out of the box
They pretty much do, normal people wouldn't be the wiser, it's only us audio and videophiles who prefer perfection and tweaking.
@@adamsultana8380 so true Adam. We all have sickness
@@LiquidSm0ke
Lol, nah not sickness, we just have more knowledge of it throughout the years so we can see what needs or can be improved. It's like going to the gym and working out, the more knowledge and experience you have the better you'll do.
In the dashboard vrr is off, tried all settings on ps5 but it stays of with cod warzone , fps stays 120 it doesnt change
How to fix this?
Where can i find the information about the input lag with TruMotion (frame interpolation) in game mode ?
If I measured 650 nits in game mode after lg autocal, would it be better to not clip the hgig bright pattern?
Sure it wouldn't make much difference anyway.
Any negatives to using the boost mode? Or just turn it on all the time?
this baby is being delivered on the 6th. very excited for the changes and updates! really glad i took back the cx to wait for this one!
really hope HDTVTest can confirm if the dreaded ABL is still present or if it's less aggressive ... also can it hit over 1000 nits in Vivid like Sony?
Game Optimizer baby!
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Fine tune dark areas is the same thing of shadow details in samsung qled 2020 TVs?
nice that with "Fine Tune Dark Areas" LG gives us at least the means to soften the impact of vrr gamma flickering. I bet any other gaming display manufacturer would just completely ignore the issue
Why isn't there a toggle switch for VRR/G-sync on my CX? It has a G-sync logo on the TV, but there's no option for it in the settings.
Gsync is activated externally, not on the TV. I’m not entirely sure why LG have added a toggle for it on the TV, but usually you would turn it on or off on the PC/Console end.
U gotta use Freesync
@@VegitoBlackityBlack The guy on this channel recommends not using Freesync because it's redundant with standard VRR and it disables Dolby Vision.
@@ArcadianGenesis that's true but that's wats in place of gsync
G-sync is activated only when the application starts. The application API must support G-sync (but that is almost all of them OpenGL and Vulkan are now supported too).
I don't know why, but the HDRTone Mapping option is not showing on my C1. Is this happening to anyone else? Do I have to do something for it to show up?
I have a question I can’t seem to find an answer for online, hoping someone can help.
I have a soundbar system with satellite speakers and a sub (5.1 system) it’s hooked up to my Vizio through HDMI Arc and sounds good but my default TV speakers sound bad. I’m getting my LG Oled c1 delivered here tomorrow and the audio specs on the TV look vastly better than my current TV.
My question is this - If your television has a great audio system built in to it with a bunch of bonuses and stuff, does that translate to a better external audio output? Will my surround sound setup sound even better and clearer?
My reason for my thought for this is, when the soundbar is connected to the TV then the soundbar is gathering audio from the TV, right? So wouldn’t better base TV audio translate into better sounding audio from speakers hooked up to the TV?
Anyone know?
Was really hoping they'd allow trumotion in game mode. In saying that, it says trumotion is set to user if motion pro is turned on, does that mean you can still use it if set prior??
Can you do best C1 settings for PS5?
Yes this please! I enabled the hgig thingy and it all looked kinda dark
Thank you, Vincent! I realize you're about to move on from testing the CX. But would you be able to test the CX and C1 (and maybe other displays) to see if banding gets better when the Xbox Series X/PS5 consoles are put in 60hz mode (vs 120hz mode)? Many users are claiming that 60hz mode reduces banding. It'd be great to get your more thorough and objective analysis!
Where are the differences between CX and C1 in screen quality? C1 has better burn in protection?
Thanks for your videos, Vincent! Are you planning to test this TV with the Nvidia 30 series as well?
I'm very disappointed that LG has not put a Full 48gbs HDMI 2.1 this year either. And I've seen some tests about peak brightness and it looks almost the same as previous models (CX or C9), where is the 20% more pick brightness? Panasonic reach out 1000nits since 2019 on their flagship model and this year even Sony with the A90J or not?
Current panel technology cap out at 40gbps. So you will never see the benefit of 48gbps even with a 48gbps hdmi.
As for the G1 peak nits.... it’s probably lower than everyone expected.
Vincent will put out his review soon I’m sure.
Can i even be possible for CX Get this Gaming Optimizer updated in a firmware update
6:56 for input lag test. lower then sony a90j
The link for the true hq hdmi cable ... it doesn’t work for me. Is it only sold in UK?