Whole concept of bochhi the rock was to highlight how introverts/socially awkward/people with social anxiety feel, as a show it has to exacerbate those emotions but whoever has gone through it knows how much close that show really hits.
What happens in BTR is basically what happens in an introvert's head when they are in a similar situation. And Joey's take is like saying (for example) "no one explodes like a balloon when they are under social pressure". Well, obviously, but that's definitely how an introvert feels. Or, a more "plausible" example: "no one would hide in a box/trash bin/etc", but a socially anxious person would sure as hell feel like doing that sometimes. Funnily enough tho, we also see what goes on in Bocchi's head, so it's introverception or smth xd
they get less into it and more into the actual music stuff further down the manga (good imo) cuz if we kept just seeing bocchi's mental break down it will get boring at some point, the gag would get old
Joey saying "hurry it up" in relation to getting over crippling social anxiety shows that he's never had any social anxiety. The reason it takes so long in the show, is because it's accurate to how impossibly difficult it can be to get over extreme social anxiety.
I like Bocchi, and I don't agree with his take, but for me I just kinda watched and let him go and devolve into the "birds in cage" thing with K-On, and just enjoyed the chaos. I think in a real life social situation where you give your opinion to other people, your bound to have an exaggerated take at some point, especially so if the other people disagree with you, and that discussion continues. Versus making a scripted video, where you can map the opinion all out, and spend a lot more time constructing it. (Well, even scripts like that could manage those errors too, but what I mean is it can feel easier to find opportunities to see the errors with the take when presenting it, and then rephrase it before posting. Have a good day by the way, if you managed to sit through all this reading! 👍)
Lol what he talking about ?! , at least bocchi managed to have friends and go to school , some people can't even go to school and barely talks to thier family from social anxiety
The thing about Hitori isn't that she is fully 'relatable' but a lot of the awkward scenes feel real to someone. Most people likely won't be as anxious all the time, but introverts will certainly see one particular scene and Cringe because they have done the very same thing. (Pacing in front of a building before entering because you're afraid no one else is there yet and you'll stand out all alone for e.g.)
Hitori isn’t meant to be a common socially awkward person, she’s the embodiment of every socially anxious person who ever existed. She does everything you would’ve done at one point in your awkward phase
I did that when I'm trying to find my friends from another class xD I was too scared to ask someone to call for them so I just paced around outside the class for a few minutes before they either noticed me or I left to come again and try later
Glad I’m not the only one who relates the pacing in front of a building thing. I still occasionally do that before interviews if I get there early enough. My brain can’t settle down and wants to flee in terror.
bocchi the rock will portray some super specific things and takes it to 200% , while even if u relate like to 10% of it since it is super specific you relate super hard and cringe based on your own somewhat similar memory/experience and cringe on it regardless whether you overcame it or not. meanwhile some shounen protagonists slaying 9billion demons or seinen hero struggling through toughest hardship imaginable and crippling supernatural ptsd has zero relatability
every cringe thing she has done, we've all been where she was or at least thought about. example when she jumped into the crowd, we all had that itch at one point and we're all there like "no you did it"
I found his analysis, or opinion if u prefer, the one from someones that forces himself to finish an anime they didnt care about, and have to get moral revenge by downplaying it because wasnt entertain enough There is so much that was left unsaid, or that was said on the spur of the moment, that left me on a cliffhanger, wanting for more but.... in a live podcast like thwt, i dont feel thats the right place for it
@@holothewisewolf405 yeah, I don’t put anything past Joey for it, however I don’t know/am a fan of either show But listening to this in the bg just made me wish there was an edit with a vine boom over how much Joey was beefing it this entire time Like a consistent loss, after loss, it was mesmerizing
I like K On more, because ive watched it first, but bochi still is good objectively I think. But I like K On music more so thats a plus points too, thats why I still prefer K On
i even know guys/gals that hate K-on, and despise Watamote; and still fking love Bocchi the Rock. so pitching the show as K-on but watamote is like you are just trying to make the show look bad. the cold dead dissappointed + collective silent "bruh" reaction from the audience made the sh^ttytake easier to swallow tho lmao.
@@btchiaintkidding7837 For the record, K-on and Watamote are both good shows. Some may even regards the latter as cult classics. So I don't really know what Joey's point is.
@@Quang1999 Except when it is a Connor bad take, since the Connor simps will cheer for whatever Connor said. This has been proven in the After Dark stream and even Joey and Garnt addressed that.
Joey continueously dismissing Hitoris social anxiety as "too absurd and unrealistic" is painful, because Joey just haven't met those kinds of people. As someone that used to be EXTREMELY socially arwkard, and as such has had like minded friends. THEY EXIST. Joey's persoanlity and outgoing nature just makes it so he dosen't meet those people cause of course he hasn't, he's an extrovert. He dosen't have social anxiety, he hasn't been in these situations. I love Joey, but oh my god his takes on shy people as a whole give me a headache.
I was that lonely kid in school. Joey probably wasn't, which is why he wouldn't find it relatable. The one thing separating me from Bocchi, is that Bocchi is insanely talented.
I do relate a lot to Bocchi (obviously not 100%). Everytime she had her hallucinations that made her believe people would get mad because she did something wrong really hit home. Also I could end up lying or agreeing to everything just to avoid trouble .
Conor is a normie tourist that's relatively new to Anime. Joey is a seasoned Anime fan who knows much more about the medium and the otaku/anime subculture.
Damn the Bocchi takes hurt lol. Its a very accurate depiction of social anxiety, and the absurdly unrealistic and exaggerated art direction reflects that. People with social anxiety tend to get locked in a feedback loop of anxiety, and even very mundane and simple situations can seem like a very real threat. What can start as a thought can suddenly transform into a train of dread, panic, and catastrophizing. The art direction excels in delivering Bocchi's thought process and anxiety. What the show also gets right is the importance of a good support system and that getting over social anxiety is a slow process. I actually love Bocchi's progression through the show because it feels earned and its not rushed. She'd go into her panic state many times when you're first introduced to her, and she does go through that panic throughout the show, but as the show progresses, her friends pick up on her behavior, triggers, and learn how to adapt to help her, even to the point of snapping her out of it sometimes. You have crucial moments in the show too where Bocchi realizes that things aren't bad as she thought, like during her street performance where she realized she didn't have any enemies in front of her. Its those little bouts of progression that are realistic and its what makes it hit home. On the surface, its a cute girls doing cute things music anime like K-ON, but its actually a deep psychological and mental commentary on introvertedness, social anxiety, band life, etc.
"Its a very accurate depiction of social anxiety" i just hate it whenever people talk about Bocchi and this argument comes up... you're literally saying "she's just like me frfr" but saying it unironically XD i think all the animations and the way it depicts how Bocchi feels are great and fun to watch, but let's not pretend as if people irl gets a free pass on social anxiety like Bocchi does. In the end she's just a cute anime girl in a fictional setting, so don't make it sound any deeper than it actually is lol
@@RisqueBisquetz wut, who was talking about socially anxious people getting a "free pass"? All they were doing was analyze (pretty well too) Bocchi's character arc and how the show portrays her social anxiety, your comment makes 0 sense lmao
Accurate. I wish I could get past my anxiety to the point Bocchi is at. Joey thinks some people aren't as anxious, but he won't ever meet those people because they won't travel to an event as large as that.
@@RisqueBisquetz you are wrong, probably 8/10 of my friends in high school was a degree of either cringe or socially awkward. bocchi shows that in reality no one gives a fck about ur social anxiety if ur good friends with them.
Man I made this comment before when a clip of this discussion surfaced before but since it's officially uploaded I gotta make this comment again. At 4:13 Joey and Connor are missing the point by miles, especially when calling out the guy who raised his hand for being as socially awkward as Bocchi. I don't think that they're doing this on purpose but because, most likely, they've never been socially awkward. BTR is hilarious at its depictions of social anxiety but they're still absolutely grounded in real experiences, the mangaka has either been through those experiences or they have done excellent research because as a socially awkward person, I have felt every single one of those and which is why I enjoyed the show so much. As with Bocchi again, most of it is just your mind running off the rails, which is why I think people who haven't had the same experiences cannot understand it completely. But the way the internal ramblings are portrayed are scarily accurate. I fail to remember at this point how many times I've come home to absolutely painful headaches from school or social events because I had to try to make sense of the situation, calm myself, keep track of what's being said and implied and say what I want to say in a way that it precisely means what I want it to mean. All of this had to be done where I would have to run through multiple options of what to say or do or how to stand and where to stand or how to stand so I put my best foot forward and don't come off as aggressive, creepy or weird. For someone who doesn't have it imagine taking 10 calls at the same time and none of the subjects being discussed at the same time have to do anything with the others. All of these mental gymnastics mean that eventually there comes a point where you avoid social situations because the recovery from them is a greater chore than being in them and trying to blow some steam off. Does all this worrying have any use? Absolutely not, most people don't remember or care and even those who do, don't think too much about it or bring it up to you. But you always think that you're being judged and there's not much that you can do about it, since talking about it somewhat taboo as well. Which is why as that person in the audience who raised their hand, it's much easier than all the mental stress to somehow get it out there that yes I'm socially awkward which prepares the other party for the conversation which might not be as fluid as they might get from a sociable person. Joey with that question invited the opportunity for that person but then immediately shut it down, to his perspective it makes perfect sense that an absolutely socially awkward person would never have the confidence to admit such a thing. But to a socially awkward person, getting it out there that you are, in a way that isn't derogatory sets the tone of the conversation and the eventual engagement with the other party to be on much more neutral terms where you don't have to absolutely exhaust yourself. It's just as if you're learning another language and you tell the other person that you're not that great at it so they can accommodate you by being more understanding and talking in a way that is intelligible and comfortable for you. In such a context, the other person is also going to be a lot more forgiving of your small mistakes and understand that you don't mean to be insult or offend them. It's something that's rather easy to dismiss by someone who hasn't experienced it but is absolutely crucial to understand how someone who has social anxiety thinks and acts
Oh god, reading this also makes me realize how devaluing it can be to have someone tell you that one is not mentally ill, because ones own actions are seemingly not coaligning with the questioners perception of ones disorder. If I where to have risen my hand, thoughts like: "Yeah, I probably am not anxious, but just a poser.", would've probably entered my mind in that moment, after their immediate comment.
This is a bombshell of unpacking what occurred in that small moment, and into the thought process of socially anxious people. Well put. If you get it, you get it. And those who get it can see the struggle it is for Garnt to want to explain, but also not be sure if he can win the mass support, because Joey blindly thinks he's right by the audiences, but really is galvanising himself to continue shit takes.
Thank you for this comment and yeah, I agree with everything you said. I feel like Joey has never been in the shoes of one with social anxiety or a loner. He’s probably experienced some social awkwardness and thinks that’s how social anxiety works, but doesn’t realize how severe it can be for some people. I’ve been that one guy in highschool without any friends, the guy in graduation who had no one to celebrate with, while all my peers are cheering and having the times of their lives and their bittersweet goodbyes. Meanwhile I’m too scared to even say hi back to a classmate, too scared to talk in class discussions so I take the hit to my grade, the guy who misses his presentations, or ends up shaking throughout it. The guy in the corner who talks to no one and looks gloomy all the time, which I’m not. I think it’s crucial for one with social anxiety to have a strong support system, but ironically that’s one of the hardest things to get because social anxiety literally inhibits it. Bocchi’s introduction was one where she admitted she had social anxiety which made it easier for her not to pretend, the show is honestly very realistic at depicting it. I’m still hopeful because I’ll be starting college soon and I’ve gotten better the past year but it does get challenging at times. I think I’m pretty blessed in life despite all this so im hopeful about the future at the very least. Idk where i was going with this but I love bocchi the rock
Dude thinks fmab and fma are 7, bochi is cringe and even said it's trash in the new episode, said jjk is mid and didn't watch aot final season. Yeah, this guy should be sued ngl
@@ArseneBorz jjk manga is a 4/10. The author basically middle fingering the readers by ruining everything but the anime is nowhere near being mid and fmab is a perfect anime
Hearing Joey's take on Bocchi hurt's, make me feel like my struggles were invalidated, reminds me of my childhood whenever my dad force me to make friends or to go out there. I was Bocchi when I was young, now I'm 90% Ryo; I'm not talented in music but I grown the way I want too with a lot of mental forcing
All Joey had to say was, "I understand where you're coming from, I just can't relate because I never experienced something like that or met anyone similar." Instead of, I don't know, alienating a large portion of people who feel or relate to that guy who asked them that question. It's not even a trash taste at that point, that's nigh on or borderline insulting.
@@harichiman5804 It's very obvious Joey has never met an introvert before, whereas you can tell Garnt (because he's the only one among the three who relates to Bocchi) and Connor (although it's clear to him that those kinds of people irritate him greatly) have.
You can tell Joey is being a hater because he criticizes Bocchi The Rock for "not getting to the music making fast enough" yet K-On has way less of that but says K-On is better. He also says he doesn't like people comparing Bocchi The Rock and K-On but literally compares Bocchi The Rock to K-On all the time.
@@skitzkat1699 I am surprised people still take Joey's anime takes seriously when it is pretty clear even Connor watches more anime than him. And Connor's tastes are the most "mainstream" thing ever.
I’m not even a fan or know of either, but his arguements were so bad that it makes me cry for anyone who actually liked either show cause he downplayed both pretty bad 💀 Tbh anytime I actually like or believe something and I got trash taste as one the reps out there defending it too, I’m always out there screamin’ and settin bullets on how their good intentions gon set the whole convo back 100 years, ESPECIALLY if it’s from an unscripted, on-the-spot Joey Might as well pack it in at that point guys 😭😭😭
Whoa, wait a god damn minute. Is Joey saying that Boochi's over exaggerated personality is not realistic?! What an astute observation and an incredible take. No good anime, manga, book, tv show, movie, or story has ever over exaggerated personality traits to the point at which they are unrealistic to make the character quirky or stand out in any way. Oh wait.. I might be wrong on that.
The only over exaggerated part in BTR is "her world" and that animation breaks into different style or off model. If you watch how she walks besides Nijika, standing in front of Starry, how she response to people, that's quite accurate to socially anxious people.
@@gilgameshlfx7006 some parts are more realistic, but other parts are definitely exaggerated quite heavily and unrealistic. Like how she climbs into a trashcan to escape. Someone might feel like doing that, but no one actually does it. My point was that BTR doesn't do anything different than most anime, movies, tv shows, manga, and etc.. It is quite common to exaggerate personality traits to make characters more entertaining or interesting. So complaining about BTR doing it doesn't really make much sense. I would understand if it was completely out of place and to a level of absurdity that doesn't make sense to the anime, but BTR doesn't do that.
@@steev-sensei If it went realistic there's no point making it an anime in the first place. And Chainsaw Man got nuked by JP fans for going that route. The show is meant to be lighthearted anyway, portraying an actual mental health issues very accurately will be really dark and depressing. Bocchi the Rock imo sits in the middle between Komi-san and Watamote. Both over exaggerate on the both end of the spectrum, and Bocchi sits near in the middle.
@@gilgameshlfx7006 I get the feeling you just missed the point and sarcasm of my original comment. There are a lot of "realistic" anime out there. So I'm not really sure what you mean. Also Chainsaw man got nuked by JP fans for different reasons. It was because the animation and art direction in no way compared to the brilliance of the manga. It was an uninspired adaption and didn't elevate the original material.
Joey is so out of touch for someone who’s supposedly like and understands avent garde anime that he can’t use his brain to realize all of those things are exaggeration of bocchis feelings how social anxious person wants to crawl into a box to hide but doesn’t actually do that. Bocchi still literally gets on stage and has a TH-cam channel. Joey clearly also never seen people with actual acute cases of social anxiety or experienced it himself
Social Anxiety Disorder is not something you can just "get over." Its symptoms can't be dispelled by saying "No one is like that." It is a mental illness. It's possible to adapt to one's self-understanding and improved social responses, but that is basically luck emerging into daylight. It's not introversion, which is a perspectival phenomenon in which a person simply processes their world through a distance. People, when they are treated for it, are best treated by a fairly substantial program of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and medications ranging from SSRIs to benzodiazepines. The reason for that is to give them some stability through the drugs that will help them get to their feet in therapy and personal practice, and empower them to stay that way as much as possible. In order to cope with social pressure, people have to calibrate themselves with an identifiable world. Even if they hate their world, they learn how to adjust in an adaptive way and maintain their neurological equilibrium, which results in less systemic anxiety due to an inability to calibrate and adapt. People with Social Anxiety Disorder are in a constant state of physical and neurological turbulence because calibration with the outside, namely society, is so erratic and sometimes nonexistent. Their brains are flooding with anxiety and stress chemicals, memory dysfunction, and general distress. This causes them to socialize chaotically and catastrophize with every real or anticipated failure, due to a constant neurological storm cued and reinforced by behavior prior to and after terrible chaotic events in their brains. In addition, clinical depression and mania can join the party. Bocchi and Tomoko of Watamote both suffer from this illness. They are not calibrated to society the way most people are and have to be. Watamote is so disturbing because the stakes are so high: in real life she'd be a suicide risk without intervention likely. Bocchi is in way better shape because she has a large number of people who love her and protect her.
Having social anxiety is very difficult to deal with. You WANT to socialize with people but also your brain keeps scaring you with all these small stuffs that is probably not a big deal to begin with. aka overthinking. You will always assume the worst and take it as granted. I feel like Bocchi definitely capture perfectly what goes in the mind of someone who has it. But, of course, some of it are exaggerated like the time where she thought she could be sentenced to death for messing up work. nahh I don't think it goes THAT far. I would probably stop at "being a hot topic on the internet and be made fun of" part. But I wouldn't know either cause mine's not that extreme as her. Maybe someone else is. Really depends on the person. I understand that if someone claims Bocchi's condition as not normal. It's because it is not. But, it is very real. Hence why it's recognized as a mental disorder in the first place.
My man after overcoming his anxiety and already go through his own character development then raised his hand as a prove of relatability, only to got shut down by Joey.
Hold up did my man Joey just say "I don't appreciate people comparing Bocchi the Rock to K-On!" after confidently and definitively saying "Bocchi the Rock is K-On but if the main character was the girl from Watamote"?
Extremely social anxious people definitely do exist. Bocchi shows how people who have social anxiety think people think of them, albeit atill being a bit dramatized because it's anime. I had a classmate who had social anxiety at an extreme level, and she couldn't even speak when the teacher asked to talk or do a presentation.
The problem with the Bocchi take is that they see it as it is, an exaggerated expression of the real thing. However if you actually paid attention to the show it’s obvious that Bocchi doesn’t actually explode, glitch out or etc… As Nijika can see how Bocchi reacts from time to time, it’s just presented like that for the viewers to understand what goes in a mind of person with social anxiety, because it makes way more easy and hilarious to understand how much a person is stressed out by making them glitch out than just have them go blank for the nth time. So yes, Bocchi is relatable for people with social anxiety and some cringe moments some of us have done around that age.
Discerningly said. She's a young teenager ffs ofc she's going to be cringe. I mean I'm 17 and I'm still cringe. Keep in mind we are watching a show called 'Trash Taste' so I don't think some of the opinions coming from it will be the most intellectual, thought out comments you'll find.
Tho technically in Bocchi's world she did explode, glitch as the author basically tweeted that Bocchi isn't Human and Bocchi the rock is part Sci-fi lol. But the Relatable part hits the mark
I feel that Bocchi the Rock is a lot more relatable than K-On. As a musician myself, musicians having social anxiety is realistic, but maybe not to the extent as Bocchi. But the upbringing being in a band is also very realistic. The anime talks about doing pre-sale tickets, doing a DIY photoshoot, fucking up on stage even though we rehearsed the songs many times, not having a big crowd, that one band member that just spends their money all the time on a million musical instruments that they didn't need, and several other things. Watching that anime, I felt a lot of resemblance with all of the characters with my own band.
The thing about this is that Joey not only judges Bocchi the Rock wrong, he also has no fucking idea what K-On is like anymore. Honestly, its disheartening to see how many people fall for the stupid "K-On is only CGDCT" meme, one that only got popular in the first place because of Gigguk's terrible anime review on K-On back on his AZ days. K-On has slice of life, but fuck off with this narrative that K-On doesn't care about the music. Azusa's introduction is quite literally a way to push the narrative forward and make the girls grow out of their lethargy and pursue music more seriously. Not only do they explore that aspect, but they also expand on it showing the underground scene and other bands/perspectives. K-On is a coming of age story, it doesn't rely as heavily on music as Bocchi does, but it IS also central to its narrative. One of K-On's second season episodes perfectly exemplifies this when the girls go watch a rock show at the Budokan and that experience is life changing for them because they're comparing themselves with professionals. Not only that, but K-On is also meant to be specially appealing towards the female viewers (and it had a meaningful female viewership). While the original manga was Seinen, the anime only took it as a foundation and made its own thing with it. More than 80% of K-On's content is original and made by director Naoko Yamada and scriptwriter Reiko Yoshida, their intention with K-On was to portray the female adolescence in a drama. Specifically, they even meant to downplay the moe aspect and focus more on the human aspects of the girls. As such, K-On isn't an stagnant show, but one that focuses a lot on the passing of time, on the ephemeral nature of adolescence and growing up and the girls never stop developing. It is an understatement how much Joey's and Gigguk's remarks about K-On never truly grasp what the show is actually about.
Comparing Bocchi to Beck is more fair than comparing it to K-On story-wise. And I understand how Joey finds Bocchi cringe, he's already 28 god dammit! He's old enough to have experienced those social anxiety and overcame them. Well, I suppose he did. Me whos still 22 yo, I still find Bocchi relatable because... let's just say she's just like me frfr. The exaggeration of every social interaction really hits too close to home. So, I'd say that comparing Bocchi to K-On is quite unfair. I really like both show. They're superior in their own way.
A better take will be to compare the show to Komi san and in that comparison it would have tackled more of the strengths of each show and how it portrays social anxiety/social anxiety disorder. For me Bocchi really shows to light the behind-the-scenes of it, the overthinking, the what ifs, then the way she talks is the killer really, its so spot on for me. While in Komi san it shows that despite that inability of expressing everything verbally, a lot is shown with a few gestures and writing what to communicate instead. At the end of it all both of them have special places in my heart.
I'm over 30 and I saw few things in Bocchi, not cringe which I find it weird that Joey didn't see it. I think Joey's real issue was he's only watch the "good, top-tier" anime and no longer have the flexibility.
The one scene that I can never forget is Bocchi preparing to receive guests for the first time 😭 my sister and i shrieked in horror when we realized what she was trying to do ☠️
*Spoilers I suppose* For me, the one scene ingrained in my mind, is episode 8, just after Kessoku band butchered their first song, and Bocchi did that impromptu solo and completely turned the tables. She was legit the rocker chick for a minute looking down focusing on the guitar as she played. Oh yeah, and of course when Nijika said the thing at the end.
For me it was the part where she kept walking in circles because she's the only one there waiting for the others to arrive. I'm turning 20 this year ffs, and I still do that. Joey sounds like he never met anyone who are that introverted or are actually socially awkward
Pfft! I love BTR because it’s a good show, not because she is relatable. I like the show because Bocchi is funny as heck. Her actions make me laugh. All the other characters are super funny too and the animation style changes are amazing. None of the other supposed funny shows like Grand Blue or Saiki K ever made me laugh as much as Boccher and the band.
"The whole point of K-on..." Proceeds to not say anything meaninful about K-on. Something tells me Joey did not finish it or didnt understand anything.
Joey and Garnt both calling bocchi cringe hurts, the anime did an awesome job at depicting a very real mental illness while not having it come across as dark and even making it funny, unless it hits too close to home to some people
The reason I prefer Beck over Bocchi was for simply not relating to Bocchi enough. I never struggled to make friends or with social interaction. But I struggled with finding out what I wanted to do with my life, I felt like a failure because of how bad my grades were and I thought my life was pretty much over. But then I started playing guitar, and I loved it. So when I watched Beck and saw how much I related to Koyuki, it instantly became my favorite anime of all time.
@@machintosh3008 I'm looking forward to watching Beck, still haven't done that yet. Will totally do that soon, and this comment has encouraged me to make that change soon, so thanks!
Bocchi is one of the few animes that actually kinda understand the mind of introvert , those animation where bocchi get hallucinations about what would happen is so creative
as someone who is artistic, i really like some of the animation, music, and tid bits they did with bocchi. i dont think bocchi is THAT cringe, its anime everything is going to be exaggerated, but i definitely agree that i dont feel its anime of the year simply because i felt like mid-way the humor got a bit too repetitive for me.
@@patty1418 Anime of the year of 2022 is definitely made in abyss and its not even close , if you don't count sequals though , summer time render , chainsaw man and bocchi are all hard contenders
10:24 that's the best bit I've heard. Art is subjective, so no matter how good of a masterpiece it is, it just won't please everyone. If it doesn't get you hard, then it's not..but denying something of someone's circumstance, like how he said "nobody is this *blah *blah". Bruh, you don't even know
K-on Is like a good cake, it's sweet, fluffy and just a relaxing good time I haven't watched Bochi, but the comparison with k-on seems very superficial, they seem to be doing their own thing so I don't think one is necessarily superior to the other
The're both different animes with different focus and aim, but belong to the same genre. I think BTR does its thing much better than K-On, heck tbh K-on is barely about music, and things just happen so Yui and her friends could have a band. BTR does this much better while also conveying the social anxiety aspect of the protagonist
One is a music series with cute girls doing cute things while the other is cute girls doing cute things with music in it It's that easy to differentiate
K-On! was the first music anime that I got into and absolutely loved it, it was hilarious and the songs kick ass and I also taught myself to play a bunch of songs from that series on both guitar and bass. Still wish that series got a third season, it was so good
At this point Joey's taste in anime doesn't matter anymore. To be honest I wish I hadn't been recommended this video. I just remembered the day when a few Chainsawman fans started leaving hate comments in Bocchi the Rock review videos, and a fight broke out between the two fandoms
Because in all reality it doesn't. He used to be the Anime TH-camr but now he doesn't even watch as much anime even Connor is watching more than him by now. a lot of anime nowadays he forces to watch without even being interested half the time. Simply put he has his opinions but.. hes just not quite on point anymore @@abeydaby16
the joey 'no one is that socially awkward' take HURT. Because I was definitely that socially awkward at some point of my life I had very severe social anxiety and genuinely had difficulty getting words out while talking to people outside of my family
So what I get out of this is that extremely socially anxious people don't exist. The shows also entertaining because it exaggerates the social anxiety with the animation for the comedy if Bocchi was mildly socially anxious it wouldn't be as entertaining or cover as many bases for different people and if we're going to say Bocchi's unrealistic are we just going to forget Komi exists - both of them develop little by a little out of social anxiety difference is Bocchi is primarily comedy with a focus on it's characters (and the main plot is character development out of that social anxiety) while Komi is a romcom with a lot of side characters.
sorry but it doesn't really exaggerate it all too much its very much too close to home i mean the animation yes but even then still its pretty much exactly it.
@@Arkhalis404 "exaggerates the social anxiety with the animation" You're not just going to jump in a trash can or start glitching out - parts definitely are exaggerated
I've always felt that Joey takes on Bocchi the Rock's interpretation of anxiety being too "unrealistic" is a bit dismissive. I think the reason why Bocchi's depiction of anxiety resonates so hard with people isn't because it is a 100% accurate representation, but it's over the top visuals, near comical situations and Bocchi's behaviour, is ironically the closest we've gotten to a light-hearted but well articulated take on an interpretation on anxiety, depression and mental health issues. Mental Health has always been tough to articulate or visualize because it's very internalised. That's why Bocchi's depiction hits hard for people with social anxiety of varying levels in my opinion. It articulates the feelings so well, and the rest of the cast don't dismiss Bocchi's anxiety or expects her to just "get over it" immediately. It's a show about cute girls playing music, with a side of mental health issues and depictions. In the end to each their own, and the Bocchi argument is just getting stale. I just hope Joey doesn't double down on his take just because he sees so many people disagree with him, but I'm not holding my breath regarding that either.
I don't watch Kuroko no basket expecting to see just a full basketball game. I expect to see an exaggerated one that makes you feel like you're a part of the real thing. It's the same with Bocchi. Her social anxiety is exaggerated so you can feel the real thing
As someone who had social anxiety until I left high-school it does feel a lot like what Bocchi goes through, of course it's exaggerated it's a creative media.
5:12 "You're going to go into your own world thinking about all the horrible what-ifs, and then you're gonna come out of it and be like "oh, you know what? It was fine all along!"" As someone with anxiety, I've just gotta say that is quite literally all anxiety is. I get it can become repetitive or whatever, but that is genuinely a very realistic depiction of it, so it never really became repetitive to me since I can relate to it lol. That's actually a reason its one of my favorite shows.
I mean. I actually had a classmate before that is so awkward. As bocchi. But this is back in elementary where kids are free willed compared to highschool where 70% of the student jsut go with a flow and people with actually social anxiety just hides it.
K-on was supposed to be music and slice of life. I don't know what happened in the studio that they decide to make season 2 24 episodes of moe overload. not that I mind, but they just dismissed their goal they set in season 1, to perform in budokan.
@@malikhaidarI mind the moe. I didn't mind like ten years ago but at this point I'm pretty sick of it. Maybe in five years I'll be able to watch a moe show again.
That leads me to wonder... Can someone actually hate Kikuri? Obviously, someone exists who does, but... I've definitely never seen anyone say it. In Joey terminology: it's like saying you like vanilla. I guess is what I'm saying.
"no one is a s socially akward as bocchi" obviously Joey's never seen highschool/early uni me Bocchi was painfulyl relatable his take on K-On! tho he perfectly put my thoughts into words exotic birbs
I think Beck is perfect the way it is. A reboot or remake can NEVER capture the feels of the original anime. The way it was directed and the tone was very 2000's. And the original director sadly passed away. And the music (unless they kept the songs) would be completely different and probably not hit the same.
if bocchi has 10 fans i am one of them. If bocchi has 5 fans i am one of them. If bocchi has 1 fan i am their only fan. If bocchi has no fans i am dead.
A lot of the anime for this season gives me “read the manga” vibes except Demon Slayer, Oshi no Ko and Heavenly Delusion. Also sorry Joey, but Bocchi the Rock beats the Chainsaw Man adaptation, no question.
Tbh I feel like a lot of anime do that. But for me anyway, Oshi No Ko's adaptation is > manga. I feel like a lot of adaptations of manga are being represented so well recently
Going into both shows, Bocchi had the same type of vibes and animation style I expected an CSM anime to have. Although I can't say the CSM adaption was inadequate since it really does have a lot of technical strengths and does the melodramatic moments justice.
Facts I regret reading oshi no ko if I had known the anime was gonna be this good I wouldn't have pick it up the manga is amazing don't get me wrong but the anime just does it so good
for me, btr is a wonderful anime not or not only because of its precise description of social anxiety, but the personality and growth of different characters, the excellent music performance with heart, and the magical and unique brainstorming display. So it is one-sided to judge whether it is good or bad just by whether you relate to Bocchi
I think the thing with Bocchi is that it can capture people outside of it's audience/genre. Loved Bocchi, but tried watching K-On and dropped three episodes in because it was so hard to keep myself engaged. From what I hear, the main thing for K-On is the relationship building, but for me Bocchi got that click instantly. Anyways, all that said, regardless of opinion Joey's take on Bocchi, or at least his explanation, truly represented trash taste to its fullests.
His analogy was a little too aussy but I think all he wanted to say was that K-on is pure SOL and he's a massive SOL fan so naturally he deviated towards K-on... also, him not finding Bocchi wayy too relatable like Garnt is a turn-off for him
@@ashishbarthwal6961 Yeah, I can vaguely get what he's saying, but to me the whole broad "no way people can relate because Bocchi is so exaggerated" invalidates a whole lot of people's feelings. That's just a horrible take, because he's either talking about the comedy aspect (the spasming and stuff), which obviously isn't meant to be wholely relatable and there for a laugh/showing what we feel like inside, or the sentiment behind Bocchi anxiety/thought process. The latter so many people can feel, and Joey doesn't really clarify any more than that, so it's hard to construe it any other way.
The thing about Bocchi is that not a single one of the things she actually does because of her social anxiety is unrealistic for a person with social anxiety to do, the anime exaggerates in a way, except the only thing that it actually exaggerates is the fact that she does ALL of these things for the sake of giving as many people with social anxiety as possible something they can relate to. Saying that it's unrealistic and that no person is this socially awkward is straight-up wrong. Social anxiety can also go by the name "sociophobia", or "social phobia", in other words, social anxiety is a phobia, and just like any other phobia, It's a SEVERE and IRRATIONAL fear, just of social situations and interactions. As for the over-the-top portrayal of Bocchi's thoughts in the situations she's put in, those aren't things you would actually be able to see when they happen in the minds of people with social anxiety, even if you're close with the person in question. The mind will wander when put in these situations, and it can go as far as it goes for Bocchi, it's just, again, exaggerated in how many different directions it goes for the sake of relatability.
Lol i love Joey but his argument that K-ON was better basically came down to: "slice of life is generally shit, at least K-ON KNOWS its shit, Bocchi doesn't realize its shit." Props for recognizing the songs were bangers tho
K-ON or I guess KyoAni set the path for cute girls doing cute things. Even for SoL itself as well. Bocchi just took a different approach with its humor and use of art style. It was a hilarious show and has some good messages. But bocchi wouldn't be without its predecessors. Both did great in muisc aspect. But k-on really gave more attention to their characters and had a strong finish. Also joey the goat for liking drunk senpai. Best character in the show.
k-on with wonderful to watch when you feel sad/numb/bored or just have a bad day. It just gives you good mood, that's why I love it because there's not even a story on the show. It's just watching it with a blank mind.
I know many ppl that are so socially awkward that they're afraid to even join discord VCs that they've been apart of for years, lol. There are def Bocchi's out there, just not expressed in any imaginative way like Bocchi's internal visions.
1. brought sketchbook to class so my classmates would ask something to me 2. wore anime keychains and decorated pencilcase with lots of anime stickers 3. went to acquaintance's classroom, peeking from the door, literally waiting until the said person notices me and mouthed "go to teacher's office" in silence. no voice. 4. feeling inferior to siblings in terms of social skill, even within my family only so joey, some people like bocchi legit exist 😭 perhaps because people like us are basically low profile, it's pretty tricky to notice there are actually people with social anxiety so bad trying to function in society (like, still managing to attend school/uni, or work).
I love both shows, but if I had to choose, I would say k-on. There just a certain feeling when watching it that I can't find anywhere else. Even though is not specially focused on the music, it manages to build relationships between characters tremendously well. And I can't just ignore that vibe that k-on gives you with every scene that shows the group just having fun in the sunset
see, I kind of think the relationships there are sorta shallow. the only one with any meat is Mio and Ritsu, because they were already close and have a lot of history and it is absolutely easy to read them as potentially more than friends. I like Asuza's interactions with the others and the group isn't complete until she arrives, but I dunno, I wasn't really moved by her connections to the others. and the more I reflect on the show, the more I consider Yui the source of 90% of the show's weakness. it bothered me thinking about how unprepared she was for adulthood compared to the rest of the group. The others were childish, but had some basic life skills, but Yui? She needs a caretaker for life, I swear something's wrong with that girl.
I don't understand, this person who doesn't understand a person's social anxiety and neither do I really, but bocchi the rock is so amazing, anime music and song compositions are so good.
watches a show about a girl trying to get over social anxiety so she can make a band "can you just realize that your worries are all false and just get on with the show?"
Both Joey talking about Bocchi and K-on was kinda painful. I am not die hard fan of both (yeah I have Ryou pfp, but she just cute), so I would not go any "well actually" mode, but majority of what he says could be pretty easily denied or argued about. In the end it is about opinions and taste, so having his own opinion and trash taste is normal, it just feels too much like a lecture rather than opinion from his side. If I had to say, the worst part was him cringing about Bocchi having social anxiety etc. He clearly does not have and never had these problems. I think I can respect only Garnt when it comes to anime/manga. Joey and Connor being hottakers in different way (only Joey talks in a way you would thought he is making solid arguments).
Man, Joey saying his takes with such confidence to the audience expecting them to agree and laugh with him just for some people in the audience go "...haha" is actual peak cringe LOL You can actually tell how much everyone was disagreeing with his takes. Leaving jokes aside, you can tell that Joey doesn't know the first thing about how someone with social anxiety feels. Of course Bocchi's behavior is exaggerated, it's an anime after all and it's important for comedic effect, but the mental process and the way she reacts to certain situations is exactly how most people with social anxiety experiment certain situations. The best example of this is literally when she was trying to enter Starry but she didn't know if it was okay for her to go in, or what would she do if there was no one there, or maybe wait for someone else to arrive and then go in, this has literally happened to me when trying to into a clothing shop and I saw too many people and instantly went "but what if someone talks to me, what should I do? How should I react if one of the employees ask me if I'm looking for something?" and all of these thoughts happen in an instant. The point of Bocchi having a similar arc every episode is literally how you work on your social anxiety from a psychological and therapeutic perspective, you have to change your perspective by having a different feedback from new positive experiences, but it takes time and courage of putting yourself in a social environment, and of course the change doesn't happen from one day to another, that's why Bocchi has to go through similar experiences, but she evidently becomes more and more capable of facing social situations, which is a disservice from Joey's take saying that her character experiences exactly the same every episode. At the end of the day I think Joey missed a lot of the points from the series mostly because of his lack of experience in regards to certain mental health topics. He's not forced to have empathy to these situations, especially because it's a fictional story and a fictional character, but the way he expresses in regards of people being socially "inept" or awkward can rub people in the wrong way and that's understandable.
I love both shows, but if I have to choose, I think I will go with K-On. It's very comfy, funny, and the characters are well developed (like I cannot notice the first time I watched it they are different people by the end of the show). It's similar to how I love watching Aria or Hidamari Sketch, and at that I think BTR is a different show.
Josh the man giving out bad anime takes again like usual while contradicting himself in every single point he makes. Its so bad it makes Connor's opinion look better
If it is purely about story, Bocchi is obviously the better anime vs K-On since it actually has a story. But the point for a show like K-On is for the viewer to just watch and have a fun time. You don't really need to use your brain, there is no heavy thing, it helps you relax and have a smile. Some part of Bocchi does feel like that, but that's the thing, only some parts. You can't really turn of your brain and especially if you're a socially awkward person, it ended up drawing you into Bocchi thus can stop becoming something that is relaxing. It is kinda similar to Madoka Magica when it being compared to the typical magical girls. It has somewhat similar skin but different thing that it wants to achieve.
Which part? Music? Character writing? Interaction between the characters Visual? Comedy? I would say bocchi is less moe than K-on but that's why I loved it. You don't want to put too much sugar in your coffee, it'll ruin it
I think it's valid to compare it to Watamote. Watamote has braver, but Tomoko is an awful person and she has the potental of jumping in front of a train, even later in her social days.
It's the opposite It's the loudest online who's usually like that cause they never had the courage to do so irl Anonymity is a blessing for them and us
K-On and Bocchi and pretty much polar opposites if you think about it, specially to a newcomer of either show. My memory may be a bit hazy about it, but I remember K-On actually presenting itself as a Music anime back when it was about to air. And if you didn't pay attention to it anyway, all the promotional pics and stuff does make it seem like a Music anime. Then you actually watch the anime and it's a Slice of Life where the music club is more of a device to get the characters together and interact than it is about actual music. Bocchi the Rock on the other hand. Well, it also presented itself as a Music Anime, but by that point, pretty much everyone has either watched K-On or is at least aware of it and its nature. So, a lot of people reasonably expected it also be pretty Slice of Life focused with some music on the side, K-On style. I know I did. But then you watched the anime and it breaks those expectations with its off-the-wall animation and actually focusing both on the music and the girls' band developing as an actual band. Personally, I vastly preferred Bocchi, and I don't even relate that much to the MC. I just prefer the music aspect of it and appreciated how it was actually what drives the plot forward.
joey explained social anxiety as if he got a PhD in psychology overnight. A normie pretends to be an expert after watching infographic shows yesterday. 😂
connor suggesting the anime discussion and then proceeding to just listen to garnt and joey discussing slice of life is peak trash taste
Connor regretted that real quick 💀
"It might not connect to many people, But those it does, it'll hit deeply"
- poor blue haired girl
EXACTLY
I wish Garnt brought this up
It's mid
@@pranitp.29 Nobody really needed to hear that. But if that's your coping mechanism, then you go my dude.
Exactly!
Joey being exasperated by Bocchi's social anxiety carries the same kind of energy as "Get in the f***ing robot, Shinji"
And how many people who say that stuff would get in the robot? None. They'd leave Rin to die and run to their body pillows.
Whole concept of bochhi the rock was to highlight how introverts/socially awkward/people with social anxiety feel, as a show it has to exacerbate those emotions but whoever has gone through it knows how much close that show really hits.
yeah, and that's why it's my favourite.
What happens in BTR is basically what happens in an introvert's head when they are in a similar situation. And Joey's take is like saying (for example) "no one explodes like a balloon when they are under social pressure". Well, obviously, but that's definitely how an introvert feels. Or, a more "plausible" example: "no one would hide in a box/trash bin/etc", but a socially anxious person would sure as hell feel like doing that sometimes.
Funnily enough tho, we also see what goes on in Bocchi's head, so it's introverception or smth xd
they get less into it and more into the actual music stuff further down the manga (good imo)
cuz if we kept just seeing bocchi's mental break down it will get boring at some point, the gag would get old
Can people please stop relating introversion to social anxiety, just-
@@Nsquare_01 BTR adresses that as well. Ryo is introverted. Bocchi has social anxiety
Joey saying "hurry it up" in relation to getting over crippling social anxiety shows that he's never had any social anxiety. The reason it takes so long in the show, is because it's accurate to how impossibly difficult it can be to get over extreme social anxiety.
**extreme nodding of agreement*
Damn, we got a full on metal lover here
@@lilili765 I got the reference 😁🤓😅
Listening Joe's opinion about Bocchi was painful
So true
I like Bocchi, and I don't agree with his take, but for me I just kinda watched and let him go and devolve into the "birds in cage" thing with K-On, and just enjoyed the chaos. I think in a real life social situation where you give your opinion to other people, your bound to have an exaggerated take at some point, especially so if the other people disagree with you, and that discussion continues. Versus making a scripted video, where you can map the opinion all out, and spend a lot more time constructing it. (Well, even scripts like that could manage those errors too, but what I mean is it can feel easier to find opportunities to see the errors with the take when presenting it, and then rephrase it before posting. Have a good day by the way, if you managed to sit through all this reading! 👍)
Listening to Joe's opinion about K-on was painful
Nah , I am used to my favorite anime , game , etc getting roasted
Also he got some points
Joey: extreme social anxiety doesn't exist
Shit take of the year contender right there well maybe just factually incorrect
Yeah lol
the real hikikomori suddenly disappears
@Gman you need to educate yourself, son
Lol what he talking about ?! , at least bocchi managed to have friends and go to school , some people can't even go to school and barely talks to thier family from social anxiety
This take is embodiment of “if you’re homeless just buy a house”
The thing about Hitori isn't that she is fully 'relatable' but a lot of the awkward scenes feel real to someone. Most people likely won't be as anxious all the time, but introverts will certainly see one particular scene and Cringe because they have done the very same thing.
(Pacing in front of a building before entering because you're afraid no one else is there yet and you'll stand out all alone for e.g.)
Hitori isn’t meant to be a common socially awkward person, she’s the embodiment of every socially anxious person who ever existed. She does everything you would’ve done at one point in your awkward phase
I did that when I'm trying to find my friends from another class xD
I was too scared to ask someone to call for them so I just paced around outside the class for a few minutes before they either noticed me or I left to come again and try later
Glad I’m not the only one who relates the pacing in front of a building thing. I still occasionally do that before interviews if I get there early enough. My brain can’t settle down and wants to flee in terror.
bocchi the rock will portray some super specific things and takes it to 200% ,
while even if u relate like to 10% of it since it is super specific you relate super hard and cringe based on your own somewhat similar memory/experience and cringe on it regardless whether you overcame it or not.
meanwhile some shounen protagonists slaying 9billion demons or seinen hero struggling through toughest hardship imaginable and crippling supernatural ptsd has zero relatability
every cringe thing she has done, we've all been where she was or at least thought about. example when she jumped into the crowd, we all had that itch at one point and we're all there like "no you did it"
Funny thing is while Joey is arguing K-On is better he ends up unfairly downplaying BOTH shows.
Sounds fair tho
I found his analysis, or opinion if u prefer, the one from someones that forces himself to finish an anime they didnt care about, and have to get moral revenge by downplaying it because wasnt entertain enough
There is so much that was left unsaid, or that was said on the spur of the moment, that left me on a cliffhanger, wanting for more but.... in a live podcast like thwt, i dont feel thats the right place for it
@@holothewisewolf405 yeah, I don’t put anything past Joey for it, however I don’t know/am a fan of either show
But listening to this in the bg just made me wish there was an edit with a vine boom over how much Joey was beefing it this entire time
Like a consistent loss, after loss, it was mesmerizing
I like K On more, because ive watched it first, but bochi still is good objectively I think. But I like K On music more so thats a plus points too, thats why I still prefer K On
I found Joey already lost his touch. He used to be the guy that manage to caught the tiny little details, but now he sounds like an elitist.
Watching the audience let Joey cook pretty much sums up how bad the take was in a lot of people's minds
Trash Taste being live is so funny because the boys get instant live reactions of how bad their takes are.
i even know guys/gals that hate K-on, and despise Watamote;
and still fking love Bocchi the Rock.
so pitching the show as K-on but watamote is like you are just trying to make the show look bad. the cold dead dissappointed + collective silent "bruh" reaction from the audience made the sh^ttytake easier to swallow tho lmao.
@@btchiaintkidding7837 For the record, K-on and Watamote are both good shows. Some may even regards the latter as cult classics. So I don't really know what Joey's point is.
@@Quang1999 Except when it is a Connor bad take, since the Connor simps will cheer for whatever Connor said. This has been proven in the After Dark stream and even Joey and Garnt addressed that.
@@btchiaintkidding7837 recency bias
Joey continueously dismissing Hitoris social anxiety as "too absurd and unrealistic" is painful, because Joey just haven't met those kinds of people. As someone that used to be EXTREMELY socially arwkard, and as such has had like minded friends. THEY EXIST. Joey's persoanlity and outgoing nature just makes it so he dosen't meet those people cause of course he hasn't, he's an extrovert. He dosen't have social anxiety, he hasn't been in these situations. I love Joey, but oh my god his takes on shy people as a whole give me a headache.
joey enjoyed high school
that explains this
Bit of a skill issue innit
Trash taste is mid.
@@btchiaintkidding7837 Okay true.
@@btchiaintkidding7837☠️
I was that lonely kid in school. Joey probably wasn't, which is why he wouldn't find it relatable. The one thing separating me from Bocchi, is that Bocchi is insanely talented.
I do relate a lot to Bocchi (obviously not 100%). Everytime she had her hallucinations that made her believe people would get mad because she did something wrong really hit home.
Also I could end up lying or agreeing to everything just to avoid trouble .
Same. Her social anxiety is definitely exaggerated to be entertaining and comedic but when you boil it down it’s very real.
Joey’s opinion on anime is like Connor but he uses fancy words to justifies it
Garnt generally has the best anime takes out of the 3 imo
@@garretttank1711because he actually watches
Conor is a normie tourist that's relatively new to Anime. Joey is a seasoned Anime fan who knows much more about the medium and the otaku/anime subculture.
Damn the Bocchi takes hurt lol. Its a very accurate depiction of social anxiety, and the absurdly unrealistic and exaggerated art direction reflects that. People with social anxiety tend to get locked in a feedback loop of anxiety, and even very mundane and simple situations can seem like a very real threat. What can start as a thought can suddenly transform into a train of dread, panic, and catastrophizing. The art direction excels in delivering Bocchi's thought process and anxiety. What the show also gets right is the importance of a good support system and that getting over social anxiety is a slow process. I actually love Bocchi's progression through the show because it feels earned and its not rushed. She'd go into her panic state many times when you're first introduced to her, and she does go through that panic throughout the show, but as the show progresses, her friends pick up on her behavior, triggers, and learn how to adapt to help her, even to the point of snapping her out of it sometimes. You have crucial moments in the show too where Bocchi realizes that things aren't bad as she thought, like during her street performance where she realized she didn't have any enemies in front of her. Its those little bouts of progression that are realistic and its what makes it hit home. On the surface, its a cute girls doing cute things music anime like K-ON, but its actually a deep psychological and mental commentary on introvertedness, social anxiety, band life, etc.
"Its a very accurate depiction of social anxiety" i just hate it whenever people talk about Bocchi and this argument comes up... you're literally saying "she's just like me frfr" but saying it unironically XD
i think all the animations and the way it depicts how Bocchi feels are great and fun to watch, but let's not pretend as if people irl gets a free pass on social anxiety like Bocchi does. In the end she's just a cute anime girl in a fictional setting, so don't make it sound any deeper than it actually is lol
@@RisqueBisquetz wut, who was talking about socially anxious people getting a "free pass"? All they were doing was analyze (pretty well too) Bocchi's character arc and how the show portrays her social anxiety, your comment makes 0 sense lmao
Accurate. I wish I could get past my anxiety to the point Bocchi is at. Joey thinks some people aren't as anxious, but he won't ever meet those people because they won't travel to an event as large as that.
@@RisqueBisquetz most brain dead comment I’ve read
@@RisqueBisquetz you are wrong, probably 8/10 of my friends in high school was a degree of either cringe or socially awkward. bocchi shows that in reality no one gives a fck about ur social anxiety if ur good friends with them.
Man I made this comment before when a clip of this discussion surfaced before but since it's officially uploaded I gotta make this comment again. At 4:13 Joey and Connor are missing the point by miles, especially when calling out the guy who raised his hand for being as socially awkward as Bocchi. I don't think that they're doing this on purpose but because, most likely, they've never been socially awkward. BTR is hilarious at its depictions of social anxiety but they're still absolutely grounded in real experiences, the mangaka has either been through those experiences or they have done excellent research because as a socially awkward person, I have felt every single one of those and which is why I enjoyed the show so much.
As with Bocchi again, most of it is just your mind running off the rails, which is why I think people who haven't had the same experiences cannot understand it completely. But the way the internal ramblings are portrayed are scarily accurate. I fail to remember at this point how many times I've come home to absolutely painful headaches from school or social events because I had to try to make sense of the situation, calm myself, keep track of what's being said and implied and say what I want to say in a way that it precisely means what I want it to mean. All of this had to be done where I would have to run through multiple options of what to say or do or how to stand and where to stand or how to stand so I put my best foot forward and don't come off as aggressive, creepy or weird. For someone who doesn't have it imagine taking 10 calls at the same time and none of the subjects being discussed at the same time have to do anything with the others.
All of these mental gymnastics mean that eventually there comes a point where you avoid social situations because the recovery from them is a greater chore than being in them and trying to blow some steam off. Does all this worrying have any use? Absolutely not, most people don't remember or care and even those who do, don't think too much about it or bring it up to you. But you always think that you're being judged and there's not much that you can do about it, since talking about it somewhat taboo as well.
Which is why as that person in the audience who raised their hand, it's much easier than all the mental stress to somehow get it out there that yes I'm socially awkward which prepares the other party for the conversation which might not be as fluid as they might get from a sociable person. Joey with that question invited the opportunity for that person but then immediately shut it down, to his perspective it makes perfect sense that an absolutely socially awkward person would never have the confidence to admit such a thing. But to a socially awkward person, getting it out there that you are, in a way that isn't derogatory sets the tone of the conversation and the eventual engagement with the other party to be on much more neutral terms where you don't have to absolutely exhaust yourself. It's just as if you're learning another language and you tell the other person that you're not that great at it so they can accommodate you by being more understanding and talking in a way that is intelligible and comfortable for you. In such a context, the other person is also going to be a lot more forgiving of your small mistakes and understand that you don't mean to be insult or offend them. It's something that's rather easy to dismiss by someone who hasn't experienced it but is absolutely crucial to understand how someone who has social anxiety thinks and acts
Oh god, reading this also makes me realize how devaluing it can be to have someone tell you that one is not mentally ill,
because ones own actions are seemingly not coaligning with the questioners perception of ones disorder.
If I where to have risen my hand, thoughts like: "Yeah, I probably am not anxious, but just a poser.",
would've probably entered my mind in that moment, after their immediate comment.
This is a bombshell of unpacking what occurred in that small moment, and into the thought process of socially anxious people. Well put.
If you get it, you get it. And those who get it can see the struggle it is for Garnt to want to explain, but also not be sure if he can win the mass support, because Joey blindly thinks he's right by the audiences, but really is galvanising himself to continue shit takes.
Thank you for this comment and yeah, I agree with everything you said.
I feel like Joey has never been in the shoes of one with social anxiety or a loner. He’s probably experienced some social awkwardness and thinks that’s how social anxiety works, but doesn’t realize how severe it can be for some people.
I’ve been that one guy in highschool without any friends, the guy in graduation who had no one to celebrate with, while all my peers are cheering and having the times of their lives and their bittersweet goodbyes. Meanwhile I’m too scared to even say hi back to a classmate, too scared to talk in class discussions so I take the hit to my grade, the guy who misses his presentations, or ends up shaking throughout it. The guy in the corner who talks to no one and looks gloomy all the time, which I’m not.
I think it’s crucial for one with social anxiety to have a strong support system, but ironically that’s one of the hardest things to get because social anxiety literally inhibits it. Bocchi’s introduction was one where she admitted she had social anxiety which made it easier for her not to pretend, the show is honestly very realistic at depicting it.
I’m still hopeful because I’ll be starting college soon and I’ve gotten better the past year but it does get challenging at times. I think I’m pretty blessed in life despite all this so im hopeful about the future at the very least. Idk where i was going with this but I love bocchi the rock
It was inconsiderate (at best) and pretentious (at worst).
Joey is actually a anime Karen now wtf
Dude thinks fmab and fma are 7, bochi is cringe and even said it's trash in the new episode, said jjk is mid and didn't watch aot final season. Yeah, this guy should be sued ngl
@@hush-ik9mc The JJK one is based and FMAB is an 8
@@ArseneBorz hell nah
@@ArseneBorz jjk manga is a 4/10. The author basically middle fingering the readers by ruining everything but the anime is nowhere near being mid and fmab is a perfect anime
Hearing Joey's take on Bocchi hurt's, make me feel like my struggles were invalidated, reminds me of my childhood whenever my dad force me to make friends or to go out there. I was Bocchi when I was young, now I'm 90% Ryo; I'm not talented in music but I grown the way I want too with a lot of mental forcing
No you weren't. You were only 20%
All Joey had to say was, "I understand where you're coming from, I just can't relate because I never experienced something like that or met anyone similar."
Instead of, I don't know, alienating a large portion of people who feel or relate to that guy who asked them that question. It's not even a trash taste at that point, that's nigh on or borderline insulting.
True.. like I hate him now . its like he dumbster my effort into nothiing .. like people like that like me doesnt even exist.
@@harichiman5804 It's very obvious Joey has never met an introvert before, whereas you can tell Garnt (because he's the only one among the three who relates to Bocchi) and Connor (although it's clear to him that those kinds of people irritate him greatly) have.
You can tell Joey is being a hater because he criticizes Bocchi The Rock for "not getting to the music making fast enough" yet K-On has way less of that but says K-On is better. He also says he doesn't like people comparing Bocchi The Rock and K-On but literally compares Bocchi The Rock to K-On all the time.
Apart from the "band making" theme , both are pretty different.
Joey being contrarian as usual
@@skitzkat1699 I am surprised people still take Joey's anime takes seriously when it is pretty clear even Connor watches more anime than him.
And Connor's tastes are the most "mainstream" thing ever.
@@ianr.navahuber2195heck, even Connor is the most "mainstream" people out of the 3 boys
I’m not even a fan or know of either, but his arguements were so bad that it makes me cry for anyone who actually liked either show cause he downplayed both pretty bad 💀
Tbh anytime I actually like or believe something and I got trash taste as one the reps out there defending it too, I’m always out there screamin’ and settin bullets on how their good intentions gon set the whole convo back 100 years, ESPECIALLY if it’s from an unscripted, on-the-spot Joey
Might as well pack it in at that point guys 😭😭😭
Whoa, wait a god damn minute. Is Joey saying that Boochi's over exaggerated personality is not realistic?! What an astute observation and an incredible take. No good anime, manga, book, tv show, movie, or story has ever over exaggerated personality traits to the point at which they are unrealistic to make the character quirky or stand out in any way.
Oh wait.. I might be wrong on that.
The only over exaggerated part in BTR is "her world" and that animation breaks into different style or off model.
If you watch how she walks besides Nijika, standing in front of Starry, how she response to people, that's quite accurate to socially anxious people.
@@gilgameshlfx7006 some parts are more realistic, but other parts are definitely exaggerated quite heavily and unrealistic. Like how she climbs into a trashcan to escape. Someone might feel like doing that, but no one actually does it.
My point was that BTR doesn't do anything different than most anime, movies, tv shows, manga, and etc.. It is quite common to exaggerate personality traits to make characters more entertaining or interesting. So complaining about BTR doing it doesn't really make much sense. I would understand if it was completely out of place and to a level of absurdity that doesn't make sense to the anime, but BTR doesn't do that.
@@steev-sensei If it went realistic there's no point making it an anime in the first place.
And Chainsaw Man got nuked by JP fans for going that route.
The show is meant to be lighthearted anyway, portraying an actual mental health issues very accurately will be really dark and depressing.
Bocchi the Rock imo sits in the middle between Komi-san and Watamote. Both over exaggerate on the both end of the spectrum, and Bocchi sits near in the middle.
@@gilgameshlfx7006 I get the feeling you just missed the point and sarcasm of my original comment.
There are a lot of "realistic" anime out there. So I'm not really sure what you mean.
Also Chainsaw man got nuked by JP fans for different reasons. It was because the animation and art direction in no way compared to the brilliance of the manga. It was an uninspired adaption and didn't elevate the original material.
@@steev-sensei Yea well, it's almost 2 am and I don't get enough sleep yesterday.
I'll read the rest later.
Joey is so out of touch for someone who’s supposedly like and understands avent garde anime that he can’t use his brain to realize all of those things are exaggeration of bocchis feelings how social anxious person wants to crawl into a box to hide but doesn’t actually do that. Bocchi still literally gets on stage and has a TH-cam channel. Joey clearly also never seen people with actual acute cases of social anxiety or experienced it himself
Yes joey became elitist
@@cryst01Always has been
I'm not even mad, he's still cool, but let's not act like this hasn't been a thing for a long time
@@IAMA1 yes but he's becoming worst in his takes.
Social Anxiety Disorder is not something you can just "get over." Its symptoms can't be dispelled by saying "No one is like that." It is a mental illness. It's possible to adapt to one's self-understanding and improved social responses, but that is basically luck emerging into daylight. It's not introversion, which is a perspectival phenomenon in which a person simply processes their world through a distance.
People, when they are treated for it, are best treated by a fairly substantial program of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and medications ranging from SSRIs to benzodiazepines. The reason for that is to give them some stability through the drugs that will help them get to their feet in therapy and personal practice, and empower them to stay that way as much as possible.
In order to cope with social pressure, people have to calibrate themselves with an identifiable world. Even if they hate their world, they learn how to adjust in an adaptive way and maintain their neurological equilibrium, which results in less systemic anxiety due to an inability to calibrate and adapt.
People with Social Anxiety Disorder are in a constant state of physical and neurological turbulence because calibration with the outside, namely society, is so erratic and sometimes nonexistent. Their brains are flooding with anxiety and stress chemicals, memory dysfunction, and general distress. This causes them to socialize chaotically and catastrophize with every real or anticipated failure, due to a constant neurological storm cued and reinforced by behavior prior to and after terrible chaotic events in their brains.
In addition, clinical depression and mania can join the party.
Bocchi and Tomoko of Watamote both suffer from this illness. They are not calibrated to society the way most people are and have to be. Watamote is so disturbing because the stakes are so high: in real life she'd be a suicide risk without intervention likely. Bocchi is in way better shape because she has a large number of people who love her and protect her.
Having social anxiety is very difficult to deal with. You WANT to socialize with people but also your brain keeps scaring you with all these small stuffs that is probably not a big deal to begin with. aka overthinking. You will always assume the worst and take it as granted. I feel like Bocchi definitely capture perfectly what goes in the mind of someone who has it. But, of course, some of it are exaggerated like the time where she thought she could be sentenced to death for messing up work. nahh I don't think it goes THAT far. I would probably stop at "being a hot topic on the internet and be made fun of" part. But I wouldn't know either cause mine's not that extreme as her. Maybe someone else is. Really depends on the person.
I understand that if someone claims Bocchi's condition as not normal. It's because it is not. But, it is very real. Hence why it's recognized as a mental disorder in the first place.
My man after overcoming his anxiety and already go through his own character development then raised his hand as a prove of relatability, only to got shut down by Joey.
Hold up did my man Joey just say "I don't appreciate people comparing Bocchi the Rock to K-On!" after confidently and definitively saying "Bocchi the Rock is K-On but if the main character was the girl from Watamote"?
Extremely social anxious people definitely do exist. Bocchi shows how people who have social anxiety think people think of them, albeit atill being a bit dramatized because it's anime. I had a classmate who had social anxiety at an extreme level, and she couldn't even speak when the teacher asked to talk or do a presentation.
Public performer on a stage casually talking to a huge audience somehow doesn't believe in social anxiety. Who woulda thunk it.
The problem with the Bocchi take is that they see it as it is, an exaggerated expression of the real thing. However if you actually paid attention to the show it’s obvious that Bocchi doesn’t actually explode, glitch out or etc… As Nijika can see how Bocchi reacts from time to time, it’s just presented like that for the viewers to understand what goes in a mind of person with social anxiety, because it makes way more easy and hilarious to understand how much a person is stressed out by making them glitch out than just have them go blank for the nth time. So yes, Bocchi is relatable for people with social anxiety and some cringe moments some of us have done around that age.
Discerningly said. She's a young teenager ffs ofc she's going to be cringe. I mean I'm 17 and I'm still cringe. Keep in mind we are watching a show called 'Trash Taste' so I don't think some of the opinions coming from it will be the most intellectual, thought out comments you'll find.
Tho technically in Bocchi's world she did explode, glitch as the author basically tweeted that Bocchi isn't Human and Bocchi the rock is part Sci-fi lol. But the Relatable part hits the mark
I feel that Bocchi the Rock is a lot more relatable than K-On. As a musician myself, musicians having social anxiety is realistic, but maybe not to the extent as Bocchi. But the upbringing being in a band is also very realistic. The anime talks about doing pre-sale tickets, doing a DIY photoshoot, fucking up on stage even though we rehearsed the songs many times, not having a big crowd, that one band member that just spends their money all the time on a million musical instruments that they didn't need, and several other things. Watching that anime, I felt a lot of resemblance with all of the characters with my own band.
"No one is that socially awkward'
Bruh the main character reminds me so much of my school friend that we started naming the anime.after him
Trash taste living up to their name I see.
The thing about this is that Joey not only judges Bocchi the Rock wrong, he also has no fucking idea what K-On is like anymore. Honestly, its disheartening to see how many people fall for the stupid "K-On is only CGDCT" meme, one that only got popular in the first place because of Gigguk's terrible anime review on K-On back on his AZ days.
K-On has slice of life, but fuck off with this narrative that K-On doesn't care about the music. Azusa's introduction is quite literally a way to push the narrative forward and make the girls grow out of their lethargy and pursue music more seriously. Not only do they explore that aspect, but they also expand on it showing the underground scene and other bands/perspectives. K-On is a coming of age story, it doesn't rely as heavily on music as Bocchi does, but it IS also central to its narrative. One of K-On's second season episodes perfectly exemplifies this when the girls go watch a rock show at the Budokan and that experience is life changing for them because they're comparing themselves with professionals.
Not only that, but K-On is also meant to be specially appealing towards the female viewers (and it had a meaningful female viewership). While the original manga was Seinen, the anime only took it as a foundation and made its own thing with it. More than 80% of K-On's content is original and made by director Naoko Yamada and scriptwriter Reiko Yoshida, their intention with K-On was to portray the female adolescence in a drama. Specifically, they even meant to downplay the moe aspect and focus more on the human aspects of the girls. As such, K-On isn't an stagnant show, but one that focuses a lot on the passing of time, on the ephemeral nature of adolescence and growing up and the girls never stop developing. It is an understatement how much Joey's and Gigguk's remarks about K-On never truly grasp what the show is actually about.
frr
Comparing Bocchi to Beck is more fair than comparing it to K-On story-wise. And I understand how Joey finds Bocchi cringe, he's already 28 god dammit! He's old enough to have experienced those social anxiety and overcame them. Well, I suppose he did. Me whos still 22 yo, I still find Bocchi relatable because... let's just say she's just like me frfr. The exaggeration of every social interaction really hits too close to home. So, I'd say that comparing Bocchi to K-On is quite unfair. I really like both show. They're superior in their own way.
A better take will be to compare the show to Komi san and in that comparison it would have tackled more of the strengths of each show and how it portrays social anxiety/social anxiety disorder. For me Bocchi really shows to light the behind-the-scenes of it, the overthinking, the what ifs, then the way she talks is the killer really, its so spot on for me. While in Komi san it shows that despite that inability of expressing everything verbally, a lot is shown with a few gestures and writing what to communicate instead. At the end of it all both of them have special places in my heart.
Well, Garnt is in his 30s...
I think Joey find it cringe because he's good in social situations ,
Like Connor once said Joey just glide through social situations
I'm over 30 and I saw few things in Bocchi, not cringe which I find it weird that Joey didn't see it.
I think Joey's real issue was he's only watch the "good, top-tier" anime and no longer have the flexibility.
same here and I'm 20 years old.
The one scene that I can never forget is Bocchi preparing to receive guests for the first time 😭 my sister and i shrieked in horror when we realized what she was trying to do ☠️
NO BOCCHI DON'T PUT ON THE PARTY GIRL GLASSES BOCCHI DON'T DO IT
*Spoilers I suppose*
For me, the one scene ingrained in my mind, is episode 8, just after Kessoku band butchered their first song, and Bocchi did that impromptu solo and completely turned the tables. She was legit the rocker chick for a minute looking down focusing on the guitar as she played.
Oh yeah, and of course when Nijika said the thing at the end.
For me it was the part where she kept walking in circles because she's the only one there waiting for the others to arrive. I'm turning 20 this year ffs, and I still do that. Joey sounds like he never met anyone who are that introverted or are actually socially awkward
Pfft! I love BTR because it’s a good show, not because she is relatable. I like the show because Bocchi is funny as heck. Her actions make me laugh. All the other characters are super funny too and the animation style changes are amazing. None of the other supposed funny shows like Grand Blue or Saiki K ever made me laugh as much as Boccher and the band.
"The whole point of K-on..."
Proceeds to not say anything meaninful about K-on. Something tells me Joey did not finish it or didnt understand anything.
Joey and Garnt both calling bocchi cringe hurts, the anime did an awesome job at depicting a very real mental illness while not having it come across as dark and even making it funny, unless it hits too close to home to some people
For Joey, he couldn’t related, and he merely forced himself to finish the anime. For Garnt, probably hits close to home.
Garnt's explained it before. He cringes because it hits really close to him xD
The reason I prefer Beck over Bocchi was for simply not relating to Bocchi enough. I never struggled to make friends or with social interaction. But I struggled with finding out what I wanted to do with my life, I felt like a failure because of how bad my grades were and I thought my life was pretty much over. But then I started playing guitar, and I loved it. So when I watched Beck and saw how much I related to Koyuki, it instantly became my favorite anime of all time.
@@machintosh3008 I'm looking forward to watching Beck, still haven't done that yet. Will totally do that soon, and this comment has encouraged me to make that change soon, so thanks!
Bocchi is one of the few animes that actually kinda understand the mind of introvert , those animation where bocchi get hallucinations about what would happen is so creative
Man f off with labelling introverts as socially anxious people. They aren't the same
as someone who is artistic, i really like some of the animation, music, and tid bits they did with bocchi. i dont think bocchi is THAT cringe, its anime everything is going to be exaggerated, but i definitely agree that i dont feel its anime of the year simply because i felt like mid-way the humor got a bit too repetitive for me.
@@patty1418
Anime of the year of 2022 is definitely made in abyss and its not even close , if you don't count sequals though , summer time render , chainsaw man and bocchi are all hard contenders
*Mind of a socially anxious person. Please make it more accurate thanks 😊
10:24 that's the best bit I've heard. Art is subjective, so no matter how good of a masterpiece it is, it just won't please everyone. If it doesn't get you hard, then it's not..but denying something of someone's circumstance, like how he said "nobody is this *blah *blah". Bruh, you don't even know
K-on Is like a good cake, it's sweet, fluffy and just a relaxing good time
I haven't watched Bochi, but the comparison with k-on seems very superficial, they seem to be doing their own thing so I don't think one is necessarily superior to the other
The're both different animes with different focus and aim, but belong to the same genre. I think BTR does its thing much better than K-On, heck tbh K-on is barely about music, and things just happen so Yui and her friends could have a band. BTR does this much better while also conveying the social anxiety aspect of the protagonist
One is a music series with cute girls doing cute things while the other is cute girls doing cute things with music in it
It's that easy to differentiate
K-On! was the first music anime that I got into and absolutely loved it, it was hilarious and the songs kick ass and I also taught myself to play a bunch of songs from that series on both guitar and bass. Still wish that series got a third season, it was so good
At this point Joey's taste in anime doesn't matter anymore.
To be honest I wish I hadn't been recommended this video.
I just remembered the day when a few Chainsawman fans started leaving hate comments in Bocchi the Rock review videos, and a fight broke out between the two fandoms
To be honest why was this video even recommended to me?
I was only searching for "My First Story" songs after watching them on The First Take.
garnt has the best taste of anime out of the three
@@epsilon483 Yep that's definitely something I can agree on.
How hurt do you have to be by someone's opinion to say it doesn't matter anymore, that shit is sad
Because in all reality it doesn't. He used to be the Anime TH-camr but now he doesn't even watch as much anime even Connor is watching more than him by now. a lot of anime nowadays he forces to watch without even being interested half the time. Simply put he has his opinions but.. hes just not quite on point anymore @@abeydaby16
the joey 'no one is that socially awkward' take HURT. Because I was definitely that socially awkward at some point of my life I had very severe social anxiety and genuinely had difficulty getting words out while talking to people outside of my family
I know for a fact there's people that socially awkward.
In the 12 years of school I was almost completely selectively mute.
So what I get out of this is that extremely socially anxious people don't exist. The shows also entertaining because it exaggerates the social anxiety with the animation for the comedy if Bocchi was mildly socially anxious it wouldn't be as entertaining or cover as many bases for different people and if we're going to say Bocchi's unrealistic are we just going to forget Komi exists - both of them develop little by a little out of social anxiety difference is Bocchi is primarily comedy with a focus on it's characters (and the main plot is character development out of that social anxiety) while Komi is a romcom with a lot of side characters.
sorry but it doesn't really exaggerate it all too much its very much too close to home i mean the animation yes but even then still its pretty much exactly it.
@@Arkhalis404 "exaggerates the social anxiety with the animation" You're not just going to jump in a trash can or start glitching out - parts definitely are exaggerated
I've always felt that Joey takes on Bocchi the Rock's interpretation of anxiety being too "unrealistic" is a bit dismissive.
I think the reason why Bocchi's depiction of anxiety resonates so hard with people isn't because it is a 100% accurate representation, but it's over the top visuals, near comical situations and Bocchi's behaviour, is ironically the closest we've gotten to a light-hearted but well articulated take on an interpretation on anxiety, depression and mental health issues.
Mental Health has always been tough to articulate or visualize because it's very internalised. That's why Bocchi's depiction hits hard for people with social anxiety of varying levels in my opinion. It articulates the feelings so well, and the rest of the cast don't dismiss Bocchi's anxiety or expects her to just "get over it" immediately.
It's a show about cute girls playing music, with a side of mental health issues and depictions.
In the end to each their own, and the Bocchi argument is just getting stale. I just hope Joey doesn't double down on his take just because he sees so many people disagree with him, but I'm not holding my breath regarding that either.
I don't watch Kuroko no basket expecting to see just a full basketball game. I expect to see an exaggerated one that makes you feel like you're a part of the real thing. It's the same with Bocchi. Her social anxiety is exaggerated so you can feel the real thing
Joey says music is good and then says music is terrible in later podcasts. Keep your story straight my guy.
Reason why people with extreme social anxiety dont exist for joey is because they avoid people like him
Asking a live audience if theyre social awkward, as if they would be there lmao
As someone who had social anxiety until I left high-school it does feel a lot like what Bocchi goes through, of course it's exaggerated it's a creative media.
5:12 "You're going to go into your own world thinking about all the horrible what-ifs, and then you're gonna come out of it and be like "oh, you know what? It was fine all along!"" As someone with anxiety, I've just gotta say that is quite literally all anxiety is. I get it can become repetitive or whatever, but that is genuinely a very realistic depiction of it, so it never really became repetitive to me since I can relate to it lol. That's actually a reason its one of my favorite shows.
The show lives up to its name once again.
I don't really understand the whole "no one is that socially awkward" argument. Its fucking anime, everything is over exaggerated in anime.
I mean. I actually had a classmate before that is so awkward. As bocchi. But this is back in elementary where kids are free willed compared to highschool where 70% of the student jsut go with a flow and people with actually social anxiety just hides it.
Man has forgotten about the hikikikomoris
Bocchi is a music/SoL anime, while K-On is a SoL anime that pretends to be a music anime
(Judging only from the first season)
Nah K On is SUPPOSE to be a music/slice of life they just fail miserably at delivering the music portion.
K-on was supposed to be music and slice of life. I don't know what happened in the studio that they decide to make season 2 24 episodes of moe overload. not that I mind, but they just dismissed their goal they set in season 1, to perform in budokan.
@@malikhaidarI mind the moe. I didn't mind like ten years ago but at this point I'm pretty sick of it. Maybe in five years I'll be able to watch a moe show again.
@@philo2189 the moe is the worst aspect of K-ON IMO
@@philo2189 classic “Americans hate Tingle” moment.
Joey lost me until he said Kikuri was the best character. 🍻
BASED
That leads me to wonder...
Can someone actually hate Kikuri? Obviously, someone exists who does, but... I've definitely never seen anyone say it. In Joey terminology: it's like saying you like vanilla. I guess is what I'm saying.
@@solitaryDude24yes I hate her...that she's not real. Whyyyy?!
"no one is a s socially akward as bocchi"
obviously Joey's never seen highschool/early uni me
Bocchi was painfulyl relatable
his take on K-On! tho
he perfectly put my thoughts into words
exotic birbs
5:15 I don't think Joey understands ... that's the point. that's how social anxiety works, trust me, I've been there.
Beck should get a reboot. The ones who watched know it needs to.
Oh fuck yeah, the anime covers like 30% of the whole story, and it's an amazing story that deserves to be seen by more people.
That music festival performance is still the most epic scene I’ve seen in this medium.
I think Beck is perfect the way it is. A reboot or remake can NEVER capture the feels of the original anime. The way it was directed and the tone was very 2000's. And the original director sadly passed away. And the music (unless they kept the songs) would be completely different and probably not hit the same.
if bocchi has 10 fans i am one of them. If bocchi has 5 fans i am one of them. If bocchi has 1 fan i am their only fan. If bocchi has no fans i am dead.
i will never watch trash taste again after slandering bocchi the rock
@@sjmalex982 bro, they are called trash taste for a reason.
lmao "ill never watch trash taste again" , these three millionaires are gonna be so fuckin devastated
AKA 3 guys on a stage don't understand what social anxiety is like
Is it my idea or the audience went cold dead after that bad take on bocchi by joey
Joey was waffling with the bird comparisons 🤣
A lot of the anime for this season gives me “read the manga” vibes except Demon Slayer, Oshi no Ko and Heavenly Delusion. Also sorry Joey, but Bocchi the Rock beats the Chainsaw Man adaptation, no question.
Tbh I feel like a lot of anime do that. But for me anyway, Oshi No Ko's adaptation is > manga. I feel like a lot of adaptations of manga are being represented so well recently
Going into both shows, Bocchi had the same type of vibes and animation style I expected an CSM anime to have. Although I can't say the CSM adaption was inadequate since it really does have a lot of technical strengths and does the melodramatic moments justice.
Facts I regret reading oshi no ko if I had known the anime was gonna be this good I wouldn't have pick it up the manga is amazing don't get me wrong but the anime just does it so good
@@sometime2530 mood
As a big fan of CSM (manga), can't agree more
Screw Nakayama
for me, btr is a wonderful anime not or not only because of its precise description of social anxiety, but the personality and growth of different characters, the excellent music performance with heart, and the magical and unique brainstorming display. So it is one-sided to judge whether it is good or bad just by whether you relate to Bocchi
I think the thing with Bocchi is that it can capture people outside of it's audience/genre. Loved Bocchi, but tried watching K-On and dropped three episodes in because it was so hard to keep myself engaged. From what I hear, the main thing for K-On is the relationship building, but for me Bocchi got that click instantly.
Anyways, all that said, regardless of opinion Joey's take on Bocchi, or at least his explanation, truly represented trash taste to its fullests.
His analogy was a little too aussy but I think all he wanted to say was that K-on is pure SOL and he's a massive SOL fan so naturally he deviated towards K-on... also, him not finding Bocchi wayy too relatable like Garnt is a turn-off for him
@@ashishbarthwal6961 Yeah, I can vaguely get what he's saying, but to me the whole broad "no way people can relate because Bocchi is so exaggerated" invalidates a whole lot of people's feelings. That's just a horrible take, because he's either talking about the comedy aspect (the spasming and stuff), which obviously isn't meant to be wholely relatable and there for a laugh/showing what we feel like inside, or the sentiment behind Bocchi anxiety/thought process. The latter so many people can feel, and Joey doesn't really clarify any more than that, so it's hard to construe it any other way.
How do you get enraged by K-On?
@@thomasffrench3639 Engage* :). I'm not sure how I can get angry at cute girls doing cute things lmao
@@wallow4210 okay, sorry. I was so confused.
The thing about Bocchi is that not a single one of the things she actually does because of her social anxiety is unrealistic for a person with social anxiety to do, the anime exaggerates in a way, except the only thing that it actually exaggerates is the fact that she does ALL of these things for the sake of giving as many people with social anxiety as possible something they can relate to. Saying that it's unrealistic and that no person is this socially awkward is straight-up wrong. Social anxiety can also go by the name "sociophobia", or "social phobia", in other words, social anxiety is a phobia, and just like any other phobia, It's a SEVERE and IRRATIONAL fear, just of social situations and interactions.
As for the over-the-top portrayal of Bocchi's thoughts in the situations she's put in, those aren't things you would actually be able to see when they happen in the minds of people with social anxiety, even if you're close with the person in question. The mind will wander when put in these situations, and it can go as far as it goes for Bocchi, it's just, again, exaggerated in how many different directions it goes for the sake of relatability.
I guess this is the reason why I never really got into the anime man despite being into anime. It turns out that he's actually quite a normie.
the fact the creator of oshi no ko is a huge fan of vtubers and even put in vtuber cameos in the manga, connor on point 11:45
i can't even leave the house...
Lol i love Joey but his argument that K-ON was better basically came down to: "slice of life is generally shit, at least K-ON KNOWS its shit, Bocchi doesn't realize its shit." Props for recognizing the songs were bangers tho
Spy Family: 🎉😍🥳
Is MID: ☹️😢😭
Bocci the rock was beyond good. Anyone who doesn’t like it is incorrect :)
The most open-minded average weeb comment of all time lmao
Facts
K-ON or I guess KyoAni set the path for cute girls doing cute things. Even for SoL itself as well.
Bocchi just took a different approach with its humor and use of art style. It was a hilarious show and has some good messages.
But bocchi wouldn't be without its predecessors. Both did great in muisc aspect. But k-on really gave more attention to their characters and had a strong finish.
Also joey the goat for liking drunk senpai. Best character in the show.
k-on with wonderful to watch when you feel sad/numb/bored or just have a bad day. It just gives you good mood, that's why I love it because there's not even a story on the show. It's just watching it with a blank mind.
5:13 the difference between those who like Bocchi the Rock and those who don't
I know many ppl that are so socially awkward that they're afraid to even join discord VCs that they've been apart of for years, lol. There are def Bocchi's out there, just not expressed in any imaginative way like Bocchi's internal visions.
1. brought sketchbook to class so my classmates would ask something to me
2. wore anime keychains and decorated pencilcase with lots of anime stickers
3. went to acquaintance's classroom, peeking from the door, literally waiting until the said person notices me and mouthed "go to teacher's office" in silence. no voice.
4. feeling inferior to siblings in terms of social skill, even within my family only
so joey, some people like bocchi legit exist 😭 perhaps because people like us are basically low profile, it's pretty tricky to notice there are actually people with social anxiety so bad trying to function in society (like, still managing to attend school/uni, or work).
I love both shows, but if I had to choose, I would say k-on. There just a certain feeling when watching it that I can't find anywhere else. Even though is not specially focused on the music, it manages to build relationships between characters tremendously well. And I can't just ignore that vibe that k-on gives you with every scene that shows the group just having fun in the sunset
It's a comfortable lay back anime. It's nostalgic and fun. I like both shows, but I will always love and side with k-on.
see, I kind of think the relationships there are sorta shallow. the only one with any meat is Mio and Ritsu, because they were already close and have a lot of history and it is absolutely easy to read them as potentially more than friends. I like Asuza's interactions with the others and the group isn't complete until she arrives, but I dunno, I wasn't really moved by her connections to the others. and the more I reflect on the show, the more I consider Yui the source of 90% of the show's weakness. it bothered me thinking about how unprepared she was for adulthood compared to the rest of the group. The others were childish, but had some basic life skills, but Yui? She needs a caretaker for life, I swear something's wrong with that girl.
I don't understand, this person who doesn't understand a person's social anxiety and neither do I really, but bocchi the rock is so amazing, anime music and song compositions are so good.
watches a show about a girl trying to get over social anxiety so she can make a band
"can you just realize that your worries are all false and just get on with the show?"
they're both good
Agreed, why can’t people just enjoy both?
@@GDIGhostStalker People can enjoy both but objectively one is better than the other.
@@PolarBear_ed if the criteria are subjective, can you call the conclusion "objective"?
But aside from that yeah, both are good.
Both Joey talking about Bocchi and K-on was kinda painful. I am not die hard fan of both (yeah I have Ryou pfp, but she just cute), so I would not go any "well actually" mode, but majority of what he says could be pretty easily denied or argued about. In the end it is about opinions and taste, so having his own opinion and trash taste is normal, it just feels too much like a lecture rather than opinion from his side. If I had to say, the worst part was him cringing about Bocchi having social anxiety etc. He clearly does not have and never had these problems. I think I can respect only Garnt when it comes to anime/manga. Joey and Connor being hottakers in different way (only Joey talks in a way you would thought he is making solid arguments).
Man, Joey saying his takes with such confidence to the audience expecting them to agree and laugh with him just for some people in the audience go "...haha" is actual peak cringe LOL You can actually tell how much everyone was disagreeing with his takes.
Leaving jokes aside, you can tell that Joey doesn't know the first thing about how someone with social anxiety feels. Of course Bocchi's behavior is exaggerated, it's an anime after all and it's important for comedic effect, but the mental process and the way she reacts to certain situations is exactly how most people with social anxiety experiment certain situations. The best example of this is literally when she was trying to enter Starry but she didn't know if it was okay for her to go in, or what would she do if there was no one there, or maybe wait for someone else to arrive and then go in, this has literally happened to me when trying to into a clothing shop and I saw too many people and instantly went "but what if someone talks to me, what should I do? How should I react if one of the employees ask me if I'm looking for something?" and all of these thoughts happen in an instant.
The point of Bocchi having a similar arc every episode is literally how you work on your social anxiety from a psychological and therapeutic perspective, you have to change your perspective by having a different feedback from new positive experiences, but it takes time and courage of putting yourself in a social environment, and of course the change doesn't happen from one day to another, that's why Bocchi has to go through similar experiences, but she evidently becomes more and more capable of facing social situations, which is a disservice from Joey's take saying that her character experiences exactly the same every episode.
At the end of the day I think Joey missed a lot of the points from the series mostly because of his lack of experience in regards to certain mental health topics. He's not forced to have empathy to these situations, especially because it's a fictional story and a fictional character, but the way he expresses in regards of people being socially "inept" or awkward can rub people in the wrong way and that's understandable.
i aint reading allat but k-on is better lol
I love both shows, but if I have to choose, I think I will go with K-On. It's very comfy, funny, and the characters are well developed (like I cannot notice the first time I watched it they are different people by the end of the show). It's similar to how I love watching Aria or Hidamari Sketch, and at that I think BTR is a different show.
finally a person who thinks rationality and is not just brain-dead picking btr
Grant just being in pain LMAOO
People that loves bocchi the rock are very socially awkward thats why they dont have the urge to even go to trash taste events or raise their hands
Josh the man giving out bad anime takes again like usual while contradicting himself in every single point he makes. Its so bad it makes Connor's opinion look better
Bocchi the rock make me laugh a lot, but k-on just hits right on the feelings.
I'm wondering if this is a trend, but it feels like the older anime fans get the more they find themselves being drawn to the hot alcoholic characters
The more Joey try to justify his point, the more confused I get.
If it is purely about story, Bocchi is obviously the better anime vs K-On since it actually has a story. But the point for a show like K-On is for the viewer to just watch and have a fun time. You don't really need to use your brain, there is no heavy thing, it helps you relax and have a smile. Some part of Bocchi does feel like that, but that's the thing, only some parts. You can't really turn of your brain and especially if you're a socially awkward person, it ended up drawing you into Bocchi thus can stop becoming something that is relaxing. It is kinda similar to Madoka Magica when it being compared to the typical magical girls. It has somewhat similar skin but different thing that it wants to achieve.
K-on is less music-focused but that doesnt mean it's inferior. It has a charm unique to kyoani shows bocci cant replicate.
trash taste
copium
Different strengths
I don't think that's what makes it inferior. Bocchis art style is superior, their cast of characters, their slice of life moments etc.
Which part? Music? Character writing? Interaction between the characters Visual? Comedy?
I would say bocchi is less moe than K-on but that's why I loved it. You don't want to put too much sugar in your coffee, it'll ruin it
Jeoy : "Bocchi The Rock is K-ON + Watamote"
Come on man, i've rather joey said BTR is boring than comparing it to Watamote
I think it's valid to compare it to Watamote. Watamote has braver, but Tomoko is an awful person and she has the potental of jumping in front of a train, even later in her social days.
Joey: I like birds
Me: Cool, I agree, based
Joey: *every other opinion*
Me: Nope well that's objectively wrong
Anybody who said it was relatable is lying because bocchi would never argue with people online due to social anxiety
sure
You'd be surprised by how people can literally have different personality online 😱
It's much easier to be outgoing online because nobody knows your real identity. All they see a username with some anime pfp for something like that.
It's the opposite
It's the loudest online who's usually like that cause they never had the courage to do so irl
Anonymity is a blessing for them and us
even bocchi was more comfortable online
K-On and Bocchi and pretty much polar opposites if you think about it, specially to a newcomer of either show. My memory may be a bit hazy about it, but I remember K-On actually presenting itself as a Music anime back when it was about to air. And if you didn't pay attention to it anyway, all the promotional pics and stuff does make it seem like a Music anime. Then you actually watch the anime and it's a Slice of Life where the music club is more of a device to get the characters together and interact than it is about actual music.
Bocchi the Rock on the other hand. Well, it also presented itself as a Music Anime, but by that point, pretty much everyone has either watched K-On or is at least aware of it and its nature. So, a lot of people reasonably expected it also be pretty Slice of Life focused with some music on the side, K-On style. I know I did. But then you watched the anime and it breaks those expectations with its off-the-wall animation and actually focusing both on the music and the girls' band developing as an actual band.
Personally, I vastly preferred Bocchi, and I don't even relate that much to the MC. I just prefer the music aspect of it and appreciated how it was actually what drives the plot forward.
k-on's music is way better tho
@@marc5098 Heh...it was alright...
So Joey just said to me he hates me because I get anxious over things that doesn't exist. /j(just in case)
joey explained social anxiety as if he got a PhD in psychology overnight. A normie pretends to be an expert after watching infographic shows yesterday. 😂