@@generalgarchomp333- Heck I can be as social as Pinkie Pie and I’d be very nervous about meeting him. I felt nervous over giving Johnny Yong Bosch a PR figure as a gift at a local con a few months back and I met him at other cons like two or three times before that. (btw he really liked the figure and was so touched over me giving him it that he gave me a free autograph as a thank you)
i can see why its just so hard to believe why anyone would be THAT socially awkward ive never met such a person and if i did id probly react with "bro whats wrong with you" but there may be some very rare people like that
“I’ve never met such a person and if I did I’d probly react with “bro what’s wrong with you?”” Hmmm I wonder why someone would act like that with that type of reaction, it’s definitely not why people like that are too scared to approach people
He says he liked first two episodes, but anime just kept repeating that one joke. So he started to hate it. Even if it's absurd, if joke is repeated 100 times it's gonna get stale and boring. Toxic mf's like you don't even try anymore
Bocchi tries to be absurdist and relatable and be relatable but doesn't succeed in either of them 😅 You have the right to like an anime it doesn't mean it was well written 😮
@@Yo_Cami The premise of her personality is immensely relatable. The exaggerated expressions are a source of comedy. If it weren't for the latter, it would just be sad and awkward. I never said it was well-written. Bocchi's character is conceptually the worst possible case of social anxiety with spontaneous relief wherever the plot calls for it. I can totally see how people would find it unrelatable, especially those who don't have experience with social anxiety. For people who suffer with social anxiety, her responses are familiar yet exaggerated. That's why you see so many people saying things like "She's me fr fr." For those who don't, however, she seems like a totally unbelievable caricature. I _feel_ like that's where Joey is coming from, and he's just flat out wrong about it.
I understand that BTR might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but dismissing it with, "No one acts like that in real life," comes off as pretty shortsighted. While I don’t relate to Bocchi all the time, there were definitely moments in the anime where I saw myself in her and really understood what she was going through.
Yep! The Ep when she had ppl over her house. The stress and anxiety she goes thru. Worrying if they’d have a good time or not. I stil go thru that even when I know my mates and I are just gonna drink cheap beer and play video games lmao…. But I need it to be perfect!! 😅
Watch episode 11 of Makeine to see what extreme social anxiety is really like. I don’t like Bocchi the Rock because her moments are comedic and over the top. She is like any stereotypical anxious character, just for some reason she gets a lot of credit. Then you tell people you don’t relate to Bocchi and they act like you’ve never experienced social anxiety in your life. That is quite rude, if I may say so.
@@bonfist7277 There are many forms of expression in media. Bocchi the rock is at its core a comedy show/manga. The relatability doesn't come from the pinpoint accuracy with which certain aspects of social anxiety or loneliness are portrayed, but rather how it is portrayed in context to the rest of the show. It is the tiny details with how characters react, the world view bocchi and others have and the way people in and around the main cast act that pull the portrayal back into reality. It is not realistic but it feels that way because it knows what it is trying to say. Makeine does basically the exact same thing so I find it quite strange that you would say that episode 11 of Makeine is a good portrayal of social anxiety as opposed to bocchi. The main difference is that makeine, especially during that arc/episode, exists much more in the drama sphere. It takes time to dwell on things and draws proper conclusions for situations. I personally think the way it is done in Bocchi the rock feels less idyllic. I think stories like makeine tend to fail in doing what they aim because of the over dramatisation of the subject. It allows for the characters and feelings to really be left to fester and potentially be resolved in a satisfactory way. But I would personally argue that that is much less realistic than the more light hearted but certainly not less significant comedic portrayal in bocchi the rock. That is not to say that I don't think the drama approach has no value and cannot be done exceptionally well. I agree that Makeine is quite a good example of that approach done well. But this very thing can also quickly become a form of self indulgence when done in that way. Also regarding people telling you that you don't know social anxiety because you don't relate to Bocchi, if that happens, which I doubt as that is quite a weird conversation to have, are themselves missing the point. Everyone relates to different aspects of a story and people interpret things in different ways. It just so happens that with bocchi this feeling of social anxiety became more tangible to a larger audience.
@@zainebhidoussi1498 Sanest Connorsimp lol He ONLY watched generic stuff and then pick some that he couldn't finish to shit on it so that he can get more attention
If you take any anime opinion seriously on this point please don't the guy never watches anime anymore.and then shits on something popular for no reason or knowledge
He fucking hates watamote. I love it because it's a cringefest that reminds me of my cringe ass highschool life because I was the quiet kid in class who day dreams a lot about what ifs of my life
I’m so glad people are talking about Watamote in 2024! Love that anime, but idk if I can watch it without having to sit through the second hand embarrassment again lol. Edit: Middle school me related too much to Tomoko. So it’s like double the secondhand embarrassment and cringe cause I would also recall middle school memories while watching Watamote.
Theres people who relate to Ame from Needy Girl Overdose and thats like if Bocchi/Tomoko took the worst lessons possible about popularity. Like Bocchis "internet monster" thoughts made manifest.
I get that Joey is just rage-baiting Bocchi fans for engagement, but it's the reason I don't watch anymore. I want to spend my mental energy on fun stuff, not complaining on the internet. Life's too short to waste time on this type of BS.
Orrrr ya know, maybe hes being honest, like what's so crazy about someone not liking a show or not believing in over the top social anxiety, u guys are the pretentious one lmao, u just made an assumption that he's ragebaiting when the correct thing to think is that the show just isn't for him
@@Couldbebetter100 Bud, theres a difference to "I dont like this show" and "I dont like this show, social anxiety people are fake" One is stating their own preference, one is insulting people for no reason
@@KenBladehart i don't think there was malicious intent behind him saying that he didn't believe people like bocchi can exist IRL, he just found that hard to grasp, and regardless of whether he's wrong or not, the bochhi stans r making some f**ked up assumptions about joey. There's also a difference between saying "ur criticism is wrong" and "u r a messed up in the head for invalidating the existence of IRL people like bocchi", that second reasoning is what the fans of the show r running with and i personally think that's worse than joey being incorrect.
@@Couldbebetter100 You realize that this is the second time he said this, right? Exactly word-for-word Not to mention the few other times he said off Trash Taste Its different if its just once and then refuses to comment any further in the future, one and done deal. He kept digging up old wound
bocchi literally has a scene where the show turns into a 3d modelling software and has a 3d model of bocchi fly through some shit and thats just one example. if thats not absurdist idk what is
Someone's gotta explain to me how Bocchi isn't RIDDLED with absurdist comedy. Some of the most creative moments in the show could be taken right out of Nichijou. Also, complaining about "tElliNg a DeEp stORy" being pointless because the audience is just in it for CGDCT or some shit is making blatant generalizations about the Bocchi fandom. Finally, Joey's a musician, you'd think he'd at least acknowledge that there's great music. He's straight up just being contrarian. Edit: Props to Garnt for going to bat for Oshi No Ko. Not perfect by any means, but WAY better than whatever the wacky shippers make it out to be.
Joey is not a musician. He happens to just know how to play an instrument and uses that ability as an excuse to believe his opinions should he held in higher regard. He has never been able to debate as a musician, and that was extremely prevalent when Kevin Penkin came to the show. This is the same guy that thinks percussionists =/= musicians. He is hating on music directly influenced by some of his favorite Japanese bands, and even called it J-Pop. Joey is closer to a music enthusiast and has a strong personal connection with it, but he lacks any objectivity or strong musical knowledge beyond playing an instrument.
th-cam.com/video/nuL8heXZKzg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1lUP_LnBhhXiGcy9 here at 4:45 Joey said "the music is fucking stellar". He is just hating for the sake of hating it, which is really disappointing to me.
@@DrOshawott He's takes are the worst because he can't even back them up properly. If Connor come's out as arrogant he can admit to it, Joye on the other hand is like a arrogant fanatic that will never listen that he's points are objectively wrong
I really liked the 11th episode of Makeine following Komari that shows what it is really like to have extreme social anxiety. In Bocchi the rock, she is practically in a safe space. We don’t see her experience missed opportunities in the story because of how she acts. All her moments are absurd and stereotypically comedic depictions of anxiety. When you tell people you don’t agree with how Bocchi the rock depicts social anxiety, you will have people telling you that you just don’t experience anxiety yourself.
@@Ichigo2k9Now I'm not gonna dislike Joey over Bocchi The Rock cause hating someone over Anime is very stupid and I'm sure he's encountered plenty of awkward antisocial people. He's literally told stories of how he went to concerts where a quiet girl was selling merch, he just like making Bocchi fans mad. Still this take makes him sound very delusional nonetheless.
There was a time in my life where my anxiety was so bad that I would legit break down crying at the thought of having to do a phone call to make an appointment. Joey isn't obligated to enjoy Bocchi the Rock but him being completely ignorant of people with severe social anxiety existing is really rubbing me the wrong way and I hope he educates himself on the topic to not sound so insensitive.
Even worse when you think about the "crippling" in crippling anxiety. The word is there for a reason and it's been used even before the world cared about mental health. It's definitely not uncommon and acting like it just doesn't happen (especially when all of us know what crippling anxiety means) is pretty disingenuous and ignorant
I think him not liking the shows is far different than him dismissing people with social anxiety, he said I never met people like that no shiet thats like saying air doesnt exist because he cant see them when they do in fact exist.
Turns out my comment got deleted. Tldr: yes, it's weird and looks like ignorance or rage baiting the engagement. He can't be trusted far too often at this point
Joey: "No one is that socially awkward" Yeah no shot. You won't MEET someone that socially awkward, doesn't mean they don't exist Joey. The fact that many, many, many people feel like Bocchi says a lot.
y`all trying so hard to be like some anime characters its cringe asf peoples like bocchi dont exist stop feeding ur delusion already its real world not anime
@@vsvbwr8694 I mean it's just exaggerated because we are in her head and it's anime, of course no one is THAT socially anxious (maybe like a couple of people in the world), but many people feel like her, because people with social anxiety tend to really exaggerate how awkward the situation is in their head It's not that deep
To be fair, I wouldn't have bat an eye if Joey just said that he didn't enjoy watching BtR and ended it there, but his reasons are just so easily disproven to be untrue that it irks me so.
Have you heard of hikkikomori, Joey? You know, the kind of people who are afraid to step out of their rooms because of how anxious they are? I wonder where these people are, Joey, what country has invented the term for people like that?
@alexeystarkov7504 i wasn't sure, thanks for confirming, my internet is literally dying, I'm afraid to google anything now((( Have a good day bro, Goodluck. (I hope this will post it)
> Doesn't like Bocchi's music > Likes K-on's music I think other people have come to this conclusion before me, but you're just doing it on purpose now Joey.
Hey let a man enjoy what he wants. I am not a fan of his take on social anxiety portrayal in bocchi but music is purely subjective. I find myself enjoying k-on's poppy songs more than bocchis objectively better songs especially when going to gym or out on runs.
@@VampireSentoki56it’s not about the songs being bad as much as it’s about him likely bashing Bocchi because it can be seen as a “rival” to K-On meaning his opinions are biased.
I love this podcast but I can’t fucking stand Joey. He’s so pompous whenever he gives an opinion on something. I’m one of those very introverted, socially awkward people that loved Bocci the Rock and resonated with her social struggles.
He's the reason I don't even watch Trash Taste anymore. I have fun watching Garnt and Connor argue over the smallest things, or just talking opinions on stuff, but Joey sometimes sounds like he's just talking down on people. "Pompous" really is the best word to describe it.
Joey lost the argument with his opening statement. He’s comparing Anime to “Real Life” anti social ppl. Yes ppl irl are like that. But also, a type of person is exaggerated in diff forms of Media to convey its story. That what Bochii does to its MC in occasions. Even Anime that’s grounded does this. For ex. “Honey and Clover” and some of its characters.
A Honey and Clover mention is like seeing a unicorn in an Arby's parking lot... anyways I absolutely agree with you here. It's a statement coming from sheer ignorance.
I feel like Bocchi the rock is a bad depiction because it is stereotypically comedic. It doesn’t show what it is really like, yet it gets a lot of credit. I watched the 11th episode of Makeine and I think that showcased the perfect experience of someone that has extreme social anxiety.
@@bonfist7277 IMO Bocchi is a good depiction *because* it doesn't show "what it's really like" instead it shows what it feels like. I can't speak for the example you gave but every other depiction of social anxiety I've seen sucks because its focus on realism makes it loose any form of authenticity and feels more like a text book description, but because bocchi is less focused on realism it ends up being more authentic to me because it captures the feeling not the reality. Also part of the way I got over social anxiety was by realizing how ridiculous and stupid it is and I feel like bocchi shines a spot light on that and can help people that way.
@@lilpenn7516 It is stupid to you, if you think of this experience like something from Bocchi. My experience is that I don’t want to bother people, or look stupid for making a mistake. It gives me this paralyzing fear to act, and I mask it and try to act as normal as possible. Otherwise, I stay home. In Makine, Komari shows what it is like to miss opportunities and be treated like less of a person by those who genuinely care about you. As you say, there it doesn’t give some weird graphic to display how they feel. It’s just raw and shows you by how they act and what they say instead.
@@lilpenn7516 Exactly. There are anime that can depict social anxiety more accurately, but in a medium to entertain people and get people to relate, capturing the feeling is most important. And it may be hard to believe, but I think Bocchi did so well BECAUSE she was relatable to so many people. No, there aren’t millions of people that literally did what Bocchi does… but extreme thoughts for normal people are regular thoughts for Bocchi. She is an extreme form of the archetype done in a funny way to have others relate, to tell a story about how you can improve, no matter your situation. Series like Komi or Watamote are like this, but I think those series were more extreme and less relatable than Bocchi (people can have illusions of grandeur and performance anxiety, but not everyone has such crippling social anxiety as to not speak).
This is the same Joey that said "The Wind Rises is the most mid movie he's ever watched" just to admit he never watched it in a later video and said "Mushoku Tensei doesn't deserve to be that high" in his Reddit's top 100 anime video when he hasn't even watched past the first half of Season 1. Notice how dishonest or straight up wrong all of his criticisms are too. "The music is bad" (literally likes K-On), "No one is that socially awkward IRL" (the sheer ignorance it takes to say this), "No one watches this show to see Bocchi gain the confidence to perform on stage" (just so wrong, why are you even talking at this point). The man is a disingenuous contrarian that just wants to look different, really no other way to explain his inconsistent and ridiculous takes.
Mushoku tensei doesn't deserve to be that high considering S2 is mid at best , especially for the fact it ranked exactly higher than made in abyss in that list , which is the best anime ever
tbf mushoku tensei doesnt deserve to be however high it is but ya joey is contrarian and just lies for no reason which every trash taste fan agrees is hella annoying
Joey out here reminding me why I don't tune in to the podcast anymore. I dealt with enough contrarian hipsters in high school, I don't wanna spend my free time listening to a grown ass man that apparently never outgrew that phase
I havent even watched btr but just the fact that he mentioned before he likes the btr songs and then backtracked, I can understand someone changing opinions, but joey just seems to be doing it to be a contrarian
By Joey’s logic most anime out there is bad then. JOJO is bad because no one has stands and acts like JOJO characters IRL. It’s funny how he likes Nichijou, no one acts like the characters in that anime. He said it’s different because it’s absurd comedy? Absurd according to google means unreasonable or illogical. By Joey’s logic again doesn’t Bocchi’s reaction to things because of social anxiety counts as absurd because from his words “no one acts like that irl.”
The point is you gave JoJo a pass cause it’s fantasy, Joey loves Nichijou which is basically Bocchi’s comedy on cr@ck, so he can’t say that he wants realism in is anime
I feel bad for him. It's pretty hard to have a sane take like his that conflicts with what his target audience (probably consists of a lot of losers) thinks. Imo he's absolutely right and anybody who is that socially awkward just has a mental condition. Once you genuinely interact with real people, being socially awkward becomes a whole lot less cool. You guys just need to grow up.
@@Ristive weird take. im pretty introverted but not that bad i can obviously talk to people and i agree it negatively impacts your life. however saying 'you just need to grow up' when a lot of people are just incapable of interacting with people and if they wanna live like that it is their choice and they have to deal with the negative consequences. you kind of give off a peaked in high school energy with this take just let people exist
@@javier-qs2hd I don't think people who are unable to interact with others should be trusted with the choice of continuing to live the way they do or not. Of course they'd choose not to change because that's easier. Also I said "you just need to grow up" because a lot of people watching this video think it's cool to be antisocial. That's perfectly fine if you're like 12 and just going through a phase but a lot of others are older but haven't grown out of it yet.
@@Ristive interesting. so you think a fully grown person should not be given the choice of what to do with their life? are u a fascist or are u just no very smart because that makes no sense
This isn't even a debate if the show is good or not. This really has nothing to do with defending it, it has to do with Joey either disbelieving or just ignorantly not caring to educate himself about the topic the show covers. I'd like to think Joey is really just playing this up for the Trash Taste episode but he keeps doubling down over multiple episodes over a large course of time this discussion has taken place so it makes me worried that's not the case. I have no words anymore.
it’s honestly really disheartening :( social anxiety can get that debilitating (bocchi is exaggerated obvs but it could reflect how someone feels on the inside) and the fact that he dismisses them as non existent is so frustrating
Sadly that’s Joey’s take on everything lately, I still can’t believed they had to force him twice to watch Arcane just because he was too dug in his contrarian mindset. It really feels like he’s approaching everything like he’s in this cringy adolescent phase were you only like things because they’re « deep » and « niche » despite not getting any of the actual messages of the work. He’s acting like a teen hipster. Which is sad because before he had really good insight on some of the stuff he actually took the time to watch
@@sharlockshacolmes9381- Oh he’s definitely a hipster as I’m certain the actual reason he hates a lot of this stuff is cause it’s popular. He admitted quite some time back that he hates Yuri On Ice for that reason (which the YOI fanbase rightfully dragged him for) and given that he initially liked Boochi when it was on episode 7 during it’s initial release when it’s popularity was at a more modest like level indicates on this as it was later in it’s run that Boochi took off to the status it has now and it wasn’t long after that we got Joey’s bs takes on it. So it’s most likely that he’s bitter over something he was liking becoming popular.
Saying Bochi is trying too hard to be K-On is like saying Guns N Roses is trying too hard to be Led Zeppelin. It may be true, but that doesn’t make Guns N Roses a bad band.
I watched both shows and I never got that impression. BTR is being its own thing. K-On is also its own thing. I liked BTR's depiction of performances more.
dudes a complete "yes man" and a contrarian at the same time. You watch episodes of this podcast and most of the time you see joey say stuff and contradicts himself in the next . Or dude just completely lies. what an asshole
@@ShadowOfMassDestructionas he should anime fans are the weirdest people in internet Imagine hating because someone didn't like your stupid anime Just watch anime dont act like weirdo in xtwitter
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction i thought the boys hated ppl like the Paul brothers who play it up for the camera. But somehow he's doing the same thing himself?
Lmao did he just say... OK I never heard of Bocchi but he's complaining that her character is TOO exaggerated...? An anime character being TOO exaggerated... No one acts like that... Bro what lmfao does he like any anime at all??
He genuinely doesn't like anime anymore. I think he hasn't watched a single anime in like 5 years. He may used to be The Anime Man but nowadays hes more like The Normie Man.
Joey acknowledges that socially awkward people exist. He's told plenty of stories of him meeting them. He just doesn't like Bocchi cause it reminds him too much of Watamote. He likes riling up Anime fans and I get it cause they're psychos who would break your house down over not liking their favorite character. He's not dense, he's just a clown.
Nah, he's told plenty of stories about how he has met socially awkward people at concerts and Anime conventions or what have you. Dude just likes riling up Bocchi fans, he isn't dense.
You can give him a pass on hating Bocchi even for stupid reasons but not acknowledging people who are that socially awkward exist? Even going far as saying those people are delusional and only pretending to be socially awkward is disrespectful AF wtf joey
Joey went from saying he liked bocchi in the emirichu collab and calling ppl crazy for calling bocchi a k-on clone(no ones ever said this) to hating bocchi on such a deep level and constantly comparing it to K on. Its a little sad that he genuinely believes people with social anxiety doesnt exist bc it affects me so much that I have a hard time making friends and getting a job
Funny thing is he had the same kinda turn around about Watamote and has also unnecessarily brought it up in conversations about these types of shows just to slander it. The difference with that though is that even he isn't stupid enough to say the Watamote OP doesn't slap, cuz it absolutely does
The reason people ofete say "No one acts like that in real life," is because you rarely see them in real life. Those with extreme social anxiety are elusive, often retreat indoors, avoiding overstimulating social situations. This is perfectly illustrated in Bocchi the Rock! Bocchi herself rarely goes outside, except for school. The only reason she ventures into the outside world is that she got pulled into joining a band, pushing her out of her comfort zone.
His take on Bocchi genuinely makes me like him less as a person. Not because he doesn't like the anime I like, but because he insists on saying people who suffer from social phobia and who acts awkward in social situations like me don't exist. He's being deliberately ignorant and dismissing all the mental struggle I had to face my entire life because of this crap. It would be like someone going to his face, and telling him that he never put any effort in working an honest day in his life, despite the fact he created more than one successful youtube channel, and a successful clothing brand.
thats fair, i think him just outright dismissing that people who have social anxiety have it 'that bad' and that they're exaggerating is not great like at all, and when its more so for clicks at this point, it feels gross
@@deiz1083 we won't relax just like that, it really hurts to be deemed ignorant and delusional of the most painful thing in our lives. It's like telling an overworking half dying slave that he's delusional and the problem is in his head
To be honest I don't care if he doesn't watch anime anymore but the way he behaves acting full of himself and delibeletily being a jerk is really annoying. Every reason he brought up hating Bocchi was so surface level bullshit I wouldn't even be surprised if he generated those line by AI. And by his logic it doesn't make sense that he likes K-ON I mean all the statementg he mentioned not liking Bocchi (socially awkward not funny haha) directly applies Akiyama Mio (from K-ON) and if we are talking about gag relying on certain pattern being used for writing funny moments it's exactly how the comedy scenes were done in K-ON (Ritsu having her energetic personality and her fundness to prank others, and Mio being overly shy and easily scared etc...) using these as base mixing it with some exaggerated reaction and we have everything that K-ON comedy consist of.And saying you like K-ON because it is about some people coming together doing some cool music while the whole show is just cute girls doing cute thing with no progression while Bocchi had actual music related themes (for example acquiring place to play music, selling tickets) is also really weird. At this point he is just a walking contradiction.
"the music is just not very good" (likes k-on music) "I like absurdist comedy" (hates an anime where almost all of the jokes in it are absurd as sht) Bro you gotta be fking joking 😭🙏
Also nobody acts like Jojo characters IRL, so he suppose to be thinking Jojo is also garbage? Just a man can't accept that his take is idiotic and he sticks to it simply to be "not like everybody esle"
The main focus in Bocchi is the social anxiety and the comedy, while in Jojo it's the fights and trying to get to the main villain of that part. That analogy doesn't seem to fit the situation.
@@hafirenggayuda Because that is the main point of the show, just like how people rate comedy anime by how funny or unfunny it is or with battle shounen if the fights are bad, powerlevel doesn't make sense or too much plot armor etc.
Joey is just so over being the Anime man, and just want to do fashion and be cool, but he's just coming across as a try-hard without humility. He just seems to have a chip on his shoulder these days about anime. It's like watching a midlife crisis. EDIT: I hope he finds his peace with himself again.
Actually offended by Joey's take and its not just because I'm a BTR fan, bc there's 'trash takes' and then there's straight up not believing anti social people exist just because he's never seen them/"ive never been that anxious so it cant be real", LIKE NO SHIT YOU AINT SEEING EM THEY ANTI SOCIAL!? That's not a trash taste that's just ignorance. And his takes on the OST is actually a crime, like they made a whole album + 3 extra songs, and not even using some of them in the show either, I dont care if its not his favorite kind of music but to call it BAD? Are you fucking kidding me.
It's just like saying "s*icidal people are just sad, they should get over it" His takes reek reddit troll energy but watching them unfold IRL is just ugh
Joey probably hasnt watched a full episode of Bocchi yet. He has done this sort of things before, by calling a show mid while not even watching the show at all (Wind Rises). The boys supposedly hates YTbers like the Paul brothers who farms and plays it up for the camera, but somehow Joey has resorted to do the exact same thing himself
"No one is that awkward" I had a friend in middle school, he was in an even worse situation than Bocchi. He was overthinking EVERY SINGLE THING, he was apologizing when he texts something to me, every time he tried to make a joke he hid his face and felt ashamed. I fucking loved Bocchi because she reminded him to me. He was one of the best friends I've ever had. I wonder what is he doing rn
Saying that "no one acts like Bochi" is not only inaccurate but also dismissive of the wide range of experiences people with social anxiety face. Social anxiety manifests differently for everyone, and while Bochi’s behavior may appear exaggerated for comedic or dramatic effect, it still captures the essence of what many people go through-self-doubt, avoidance, and overwhelming panic in social situations. Anime often amplifies traits for narrative impact, but that doesn't make them any less valid or relatable; in fact, it highlights the severity of how social anxiety can feel. Claiming her portrayal is unrealistic undermines the efforts to bring visibility to such conditions and risks alienating viewers who see themselves in her struggles. Instead of dismissing her as "unrealistic," her character should be appreciated for offering empathy and awareness, even in an exaggerated medium. By the way, I also think he's just typically trying to be quirky with the disliking music thing, but who knows. Anime usually handles topics like social anxiety very poorly and kinda tropey, but Bochi is a show which finally got it right in all of anime.
Introverts will socialize but will feel be drained by the experience. Think plowing a field or lifting weights. They need recovery time after. People with social anxiety will experience varying levels of fear related to even the thought of social engagements. For some, when accompanied by overthinking, it can lead to intense delusions. This is what we see with Hitori. She's an extreme case that doesn't represent the average person. Personally, Bocchi seems to be a bit _too_ exaggerated to be considered to be realistic. However, none of her traits or responses are very far diverged from reality. It's only the _extent_ of her reactions that pushes her character out of the realm of believability for me. It's particularly the overthinking that pushes her beyond being simply a realistic depiction of someone who suffers from social anxiety into a caricature based on one. But it's precisely that exaggeration that pushes her from being a depressing reflection of a miserable and pitiable existence into loosely-relatable source of joy. Exaggeration is one of the key defining traits of comedy. Without some intentionally exaggerated aspect, most jokes will fail.
I've been to toyosato highschool (the school where k-on school is based off) this may, and there's a section at the library where u see bocchi and k-on fan drawings together, and i also managed to get a flyer with bocchi and k-on characters standing side-by-side. They didn't treat bocchi as a competitor to k-on and didn't create a toxic environment where both sides attack each other's preference, that's something manifested by the west and is thankfully not seen when you go to japan
I can understand not liking an anime because of preferences, but it really feels like bro completely misunderstood Bocchi with the reasons he listed lol. I think that’s why a lot of people are bothered by Joey’s opinion. It almost feels like he went into the anime with a negative attitude. Which I feel like people will do when they’ve been repeatedly bugged by others to watch something.
There's actually a clip of Joey saying that the music is and I quote "fucking stellar", idk what happened for him to behave like bocchi killed his family or something to shit on it so much now lmao, people were sharing that clip and clowning on him on reddit 😭
Just Contrarian stuff. Disliking Bocchi anime is fine but saying that about antisocial people and talking bad about the music just shows he just does it to hate. Especially coming from the fact this guy has hobbies in music and still decides to talk shit about the music. Especially when hes praised Kon which while not exactly the same is still anime girl band music.
joey is just so freaking frustrating. it's not enough that he doesn't like BTR. it has to be "no one is like that. people like that don't exist." and like. for one thing. it's clearly an absurdist comedy and the fact that he apparently can't understand that it's played up ON PURPOSE really just makes him look like he lacks any kind of media literacy. but also. it's so ignorant and invalidating to act as though severe, intense, and debilitating social anxiety doesn't exist. like it genuinely makes me think less of him as a person, especially since i've seen him get criticism for this take repeatedly and he refuses to adopt any kind of empathy at all. idk even if it wasn't something that personally affected me like anxiety has, that kind of stubbornness rubs me the wrong way. ok trauma dump alert, everyone stop reading now if you don't care: i like bocchi bc yeah, sure, i'm not literally on the floor having seizures and melting through ten planes of existence or whatever, but that's what it feels like in my head when i'm panicking. idk about anyone else, but i'm one like four different medications and a decade of therapy just to *kind of* exist like a normal person. bocchi reminds me a lot of being a teenager who almost flunked out of my senior year because my anxiety was so all-encompassing that i was having meltdowns in the car and couldn't get myself to go to school. i didn't literally hide my closet, but i quit all my instrument lessons, quit all my clubs, and isolated myself entirely. i didn't have to get into a box to exist in the world, but i had to be hospitalized and medicated and therapised until my brain and i could develop the armor necessary to try. if you're taking it literally, yeah, it's stupid. and i don't even think BTR is doing anything particularly revolutionary. but if i just cannot understand this utter invalidation. it's really frustrating. bocchi is just a silly show that resonates with some people. idk.
People like Bocchi exist. It's just that the anime exaggerates it because it's a fkin COMEDY guys. If they convey social anxiety just like IRL, it's gonna be a boring show.
I've never a person with social antiety only in fiction/internet they feel antiety in pubic just being asked is that legit or bullshit As an indian being introvert is already death flag most Indians aspect to My relative's son almost reaching in his 40 age range a literal bookworm nerd whose very knowledgeable at books n study but complete reterd socially even tho he's a public high school teacher dude is so idiot he's dad is deadbeat alcoholic old man father
Based on all Joey takes on anime, i think he's just a contrarian and when he said something he want to defend it so much. It's not even about the social anxiety or the anime at this point, it's just his mind set
He literally is, he stopped watching anime because he thinks "these new anime sucks" when he didn't even try to watch any. He's the last person u ask for opinion nowadays since most of his answer gonna be either rage bait or nostalgia talk
@@chinpowarrior5770 Yes! I have friends exactly like this! They keep droning on about the "classics" and I keep trying to tell them that we live in a time where there's at least one great, "classics" worthy, anime (manga or LN) coming out practically every other season. Nostalgia is one hell of a blindfold.
A lot of the cast have different types of problems tbh. Bocchi wants to have friends but social anxiety is a bitch so she couldn't make any, the OP lyrics itself tells us that. Ryo is the real antisocial, but that's not healthy and her only saving grace is Nijika making friends with her.
@@TheAdminSlayer Social anxiety is exactly why extraverts that suffer from it get drained, though, that's kinda the whole point. The way I explained it to myself(maybe not entirely accurate) is that it's not the social interaction on it's own that drains you the most, but what social anxiety brings with it, introvert or otherwise
TLDR: It took me about 10 years to get an associates degree at a community college. It took me so long to finish community college, (about 10 years, not kidding) because I would go for like a semester and stop going just freaking out at the thought of taking the required speech course. At one point I took a German class and halfway through the semester we had to introduce ourselves in German (about a page long). I ended up doing it and I literally felt like I was dying, I felt so humiliated about how nervous I was in front of the class. I dropped it right after and stopped going to college for like 2 years. I eventually went back and took interpersonal communication but I got super lucky because it was during the winter semester, which was just the month of January, so it went by pretty fast. I only had to do a quick introduction in front of the class. For the rest of the semester I didn’t have to do any more speeches because I just never went up, and he wasn’t keeping track of who went up or not, and I passed the class. I know majority of people hate public speaking classes but I hated them due to my social anxiety, and I still do. There was also times where I had to pay at cash registers since there was no self checkout, only to end up having panic attacks in my car. I’m doing way better now but I used to be a socially anxious wreck.
I actually thought Bocchi WAS more real than Joey says. Getting really good at guitar wasn't going to fix her problem of not having friends, especially with crippling anxiety. I didn't think the point was to be funny, alone, but relatable. There are tons of people with social anxiety, Japan being the prime example.
disregarding joeys awful take connor saying he hates school tropes like the awkward teen mc who cant talk to girls, love triangles, etc is hilarious considering hes recent expressed enjoyment of dandadan whos mc is a super awkward teen who cant talk to girls and has a love triangle
Does Joey really not believe extremely introverted people exist? That's so tone deaf... they definately exist, and they'll for sure never want to see you, Joey, because you'll probably treat them terribly.
As someone with a relatively crippling anxiety disorder who has barely left his house in over a decade and struggles with employment, it wasnt just bocchi's reactions which I felt deeply but her struggle to improve and accept the help of her friends that really resonated personally. If it was just a gag series with an awkward person not growing just panicking I would agree it would wear on me. But its not, its a series where a person with demonstrable talent and good friends still struggles but still tries. Its one of the few series, anime or not that, I have personally resonated with not just enjoyed. (Also the music is good xP)
As someone with social anxiety, I relate to Bocchi a lot. When I say that, I don’t mean that social interactions make me physically combust, but they do make me feel like I want to. The way that Bocchi’s anxiety is portrayed is over the top, but it’s done to help the audience understand what anxiety feels like internally. That being said, I did also relate to the less dramatic depictions of anxiety as well (like Bocchi wearing merch of the band she likes in hope that someone will approach her).
I think the number one reason Bocchi seems exaggerated is because that's how it *feels* in the moment. Like yeah I'm nowhere near as actually bad as Bocchi but good god it feels like it's specifically calling me as a person out sometimes.
I mean obviously the vast majority of people with any form of social anxiety don't start spazzing out on the ground over thoughts of social interaction, I believe it's supposed to be an over exaggeration for the sake of conveying the weight of that feeling properly. It represents the amount of panic a person can find themselves in, it's just that Bocchi shows it very plainly. By the way, you NEVER insult the greatest soundtrack in all of modern anime like that ever again.
The songs are legit written by the band leaders of arguably the best/most well known JRockartists (AKFG, Kana Boon, Tricot, The Peggies), so Joey is on crack hating the music when he has legit said he likes some of these bands so much
Bocchi the Rock is great. Of course it is over the top, it is an anime, but if watch it knowing about neurodiversity, then there are some really brilliant and subtle moments. For example, the band finding a way to work with she inability to make eye contact was all done through visuals and music. Ryou hears her loosing the bands tempo again, and like a good bassist signals with just a look to Nijika to use her drum beats to reset them. Or when the friends are around her house, and she is actually enjoying it, but eventually she hits her social interaction wall and just breaks down. Or that Kita is secretly just as neurotic as Hitori, but hides by being a people pleaser, often at great personal expense. Or that is brave enough to show for many people our relationships are really hard even when they work, with Nijika originally being totally freaked out by Hitori and only sticking with her out of desperation. Anyone who is neurodiverse or knows someone who is can really empathise with these scenes and Hitori’s constant struggle with not knowing if she has done the socially wrong thing. Heck I still ask my partner after every social event if I was ok and did not do anything awkward. So while they may be over the top for laughs, they are still overlayed with subtly and hope we can all relate to.
I love ProZD took time to dissect the boys statement and have them explain to their takes, he is a man of reason and for the people. I haven't gotten around to watching K-On but when I do I'm gonna critique it in comparison to BTR. ESPECIALLY IN MUSIC. As a person that loves music BTR music is phenomenal each instrument on its own uniqueness and all of combine is such a vibe.
wouldn’t recommend the comparison at all. entirely different shows with different goals, themes, music and presentation and only a vaguely similar premise. you’ll enjoy both shows more if you value them for their individual strengths instead of trying to force a comparison where it doesn’t belong.
Sorry I didn't mean it in a negative way, but when someone says this is better over something else you can't help but go in comparing the two. I'm sure I'll like K-ON, I've seen a lot of clips from that show and always peaked my interest
Everyone I know that likes Bocchi like it because they relate to her. Not so much because they act exactly like her, but because on the inside it's how they feel. It's like an exaggerated expression of their internal strife.
Has Joey never been to school in Japan? I find it impossible for him to not have met people more introverted than Bocchi if he has. I have met girls who basically made zero conversation with anyone except her one best friend over like all of middle school.
Bocchi's a dialled up expression of a genuine feeling. It is an exaggeration but it's rooted in a feeling that's very relatable to people with some form of social anxiety. It takes the decision paralysis, self-admonishment, self-doubt, and discomfort people with social anxiety experience over seemingly minor social interactions and uses the medium of animation to convey them in an exaggerated way for humorous effect. It's exaggerated because that's the point. Joey's a funny guy but he has some absolutely baffling takes on media.
School days is not a bad anime though. It's no masterpiece but it's certainly among the better anime out there. The raw emotions it evokes is worth it.
"No one is that socially awkward" YEAH BECAUSE SOCIALLY AWKWARD PEOPLE DON'T JUST APPROACH OTHERS JOEY OF COURSE YOU WON'T SEE THEM.
"just cause you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there" - Chester Bennington :(
Especially since he's a big TH-camr no shit someone with social anxiety won't approach him randomly.
@@generalgarchomp333- Heck I can be as social as Pinkie Pie and I’d be very nervous about meeting him. I felt nervous over giving Johnny Yong Bosch a PR figure as a gift at a local con a few months back and I met him at other cons like two or three times before that. (btw he really liked the figure and was so touched over me giving him it that he gave me a free autograph as a thank you)
i can see why its just so hard to believe why anyone would be THAT socially awkward
ive never met such a person and if i did id probly react with "bro whats wrong with you"
but there may be some very rare people like that
“I’ve never met such a person and if I did I’d probly react with “bro what’s wrong with you?”” Hmmm I wonder why someone would act like that with that type of reaction, it’s definitely not why people like that are too scared to approach people
"Bocchi is too exaggerated"
"I like absurdist comedy."
PICK A LANE!
He doesn’t need someone to clown on him, he can do it himself XD
He says he liked first two episodes, but anime just kept repeating that one joke. So he started to hate it. Even if it's absurd, if joke is repeated 100 times it's gonna get stale and boring. Toxic mf's like you don't even try anymore
Bocchi tries to be absurdist and relatable and be relatable but doesn't succeed in either of them 😅
You have the right to like an anime it doesn't mean it was well written 😮
@@Yo_Camibro watched bocchi with his eyes closed
@@Yo_Cami The premise of her personality is immensely relatable. The exaggerated expressions are a source of comedy. If it weren't for the latter, it would just be sad and awkward.
I never said it was well-written. Bocchi's character is conceptually the worst possible case of social anxiety with spontaneous relief wherever the plot calls for it. I can totally see how people would find it unrelatable, especially those who don't have experience with social anxiety.
For people who suffer with social anxiety, her responses are familiar yet exaggerated. That's why you see so many people saying things like "She's me fr fr."
For those who don't, however, she seems like a totally unbelievable caricature. I _feel_ like that's where Joey is coming from, and he's just flat out wrong about it.
I understand that BTR might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but dismissing it with, "No one acts like that in real life," comes off as pretty shortsighted.
While I don’t relate to Bocchi all the time, there were definitely moments in the anime where I saw myself in her and really understood what she was going through.
Felt very similar when I watched it as well.
Yep! The Ep when she had ppl over her house. The stress and anxiety she goes thru. Worrying if they’d have a good time or not. I stil go thru that even when I know my mates and I are just gonna drink cheap beer and play video games lmao…. But I need it to be perfect!! 😅
No one in real life acts like 99% of anime characters. It's fiction, of course it's not realistic.
Watch episode 11 of Makeine to see what extreme social anxiety is really like.
I don’t like Bocchi the Rock because her moments are comedic and over the top. She is like any stereotypical anxious character, just for some reason she gets a lot of credit.
Then you tell people you don’t relate to Bocchi and they act like you’ve never experienced social anxiety in your life. That is quite rude, if I may say so.
@@bonfist7277 There are many forms of expression in media. Bocchi the rock is at its core a comedy show/manga. The relatability doesn't come from the pinpoint accuracy with which certain aspects of social anxiety or loneliness are portrayed, but rather how it is portrayed in context to the rest of the show. It is the tiny details with how characters react, the world view bocchi and others have and the way people in and around the main cast act that pull the portrayal back into reality. It is not realistic but it feels that way because it knows what it is trying to say. Makeine does basically the exact same thing so I find it quite strange that you would say that episode 11 of Makeine is a good portrayal of social anxiety as opposed to bocchi. The main difference is that makeine, especially during that arc/episode, exists much more in the drama sphere. It takes time to dwell on things and draws proper conclusions for situations. I personally think the way it is done in Bocchi the rock feels less idyllic. I think stories like makeine tend to fail in doing what they aim because of the over dramatisation of the subject. It allows for the characters and feelings to really be left to fester and potentially be resolved in a satisfactory way. But I would personally argue that that is much less realistic than the more light hearted but certainly not less significant comedic portrayal in bocchi the rock. That is not to say that I don't think the drama approach has no value and cannot be done exceptionally well. I agree that Makeine is quite a good example of that approach done well. But this very thing can also quickly become a form of self indulgence when done in that way.
Also regarding people telling you that you don't know social anxiety because you don't relate to Bocchi, if that happens, which I doubt as that is quite a weird conversation to have, are themselves missing the point. Everyone relates to different aspects of a story and people interpret things in different ways. It just so happens that with bocchi this feeling of social anxiety became more tangible to a larger audience.
"You haven't watched a single one of these because it doesn't have a Naruto in it" holy shit Connor just getting murdered by strays lmfao
i didn't get what he meant there cauz we all know connor doesn't like generic shit so i was confused
@@zainebhidoussi1498 He made a cold read that Connor just likes Shounen and was wrong.
@@zainebhidoussi1498 He's saying that Connor don't normally watch slice of life anime
It's funny cause Connor said he didn't even watch Naruto and ZD was like ohh you probably watched it out of order
@@zainebhidoussi1498 Sanest Connorsimp lol
He ONLY watched generic stuff and then pick some that he couldn't finish to shit on it so that he can get more attention
ProZD defending BTR actually made me smile and healed my soul after Joey's constant shitting on it
True. I would rather watch this for ProZD's opinions because at this rate Joey is just trying to prove the podcast's name
If you take any anime opinion seriously on this point please don't the guy never watches anime anymore.and then shits on something popular for no reason or knowledge
He would have a heart attack if he knows that there's a lot more people that relate to Tomoko from Watamote, and that's way worse lol
He fucking hates watamote. I love it because it's a cringefest that reminds me of my cringe ass highschool life because I was the quiet kid in class who day dreams a lot about what ifs of my life
@@lezanoloserio7944no you are not
@@triggerfairy4070not what? Nothing in their sentence even makes sense for your response. What are they not?
I’m so glad people are talking about Watamote in 2024! Love that anime, but idk if I can watch it without having to sit through the second hand embarrassment again lol. Edit: Middle school me related too much to Tomoko. So it’s like double the secondhand embarrassment and cringe cause I would also recall middle school memories while watching Watamote.
Theres people who relate to Ame from Needy Girl Overdose and thats like if Bocchi/Tomoko took the worst lessons possible about popularity. Like Bocchis "internet monster" thoughts made manifest.
I get that Joey is just rage-baiting Bocchi fans for engagement, but it's the reason I don't watch anymore. I want to spend my mental energy on fun stuff, not complaining on the internet. Life's too short to waste time on this type of BS.
Tbh, this not about Bocchi anymore. He pretty much just downplaying/disrespecting people with social anxiety and such
Really insensitive
Orrrr ya know, maybe hes being honest, like what's so crazy about someone not liking a show or not believing in over the top social anxiety, u guys are the pretentious one lmao, u just made an assumption that he's ragebaiting when the correct thing to think is that the show just isn't for him
@@Couldbebetter100 Bud, theres a difference to "I dont like this show" and "I dont like this show, social anxiety people are fake"
One is stating their own preference, one is insulting people for no reason
@@KenBladehart i don't think there was malicious intent behind him saying that he didn't believe people like bocchi can exist IRL, he just found that hard to grasp, and regardless of whether he's wrong or not, the bochhi stans r making some f**ked up assumptions about joey. There's also a difference between saying "ur criticism is wrong" and "u r a messed up in the head for invalidating the existence of IRL people like bocchi", that second reasoning is what the fans of the show r running with and i personally think that's worse than joey being incorrect.
@@Couldbebetter100 You realize that this is the second time he said this, right? Exactly word-for-word
Not to mention the few other times he said off Trash Taste
Its different if its just once and then refuses to comment any further in the future, one and done deal. He kept digging up old wound
bocchi literally has a scene where the show turns into a 3d modelling software and has a 3d model of bocchi fly through some shit and thats just one example. if thats not absurdist idk what is
Pretty sure that's the first thing you'll find if you look up clips fo the show too
Someone's gotta explain to me how Bocchi isn't RIDDLED with absurdist comedy. Some of the most creative moments in the show could be taken right out of Nichijou. Also, complaining about "tElliNg a DeEp stORy" being pointless because the audience is just in it for CGDCT or some shit is making blatant generalizations about the Bocchi fandom. Finally, Joey's a musician, you'd think he'd at least acknowledge that there's great music. He's straight up just being contrarian.
Edit: Props to Garnt for going to bat for Oshi No Ko. Not perfect by any means, but WAY better than whatever the wacky shippers make it out to be.
Joey is not a musician. He happens to just know how to play an instrument and uses that ability as an excuse to believe his opinions should he held in higher regard. He has never been able to debate as a musician, and that was extremely prevalent when Kevin Penkin came to the show. This is the same guy that thinks percussionists =/= musicians. He is hating on music directly influenced by some of his favorite Japanese bands, and even called it J-Pop. Joey is closer to a music enthusiast and has a strong personal connection with it, but he lacks any objectivity or strong musical knowledge beyond playing an instrument.
th-cam.com/video/nuL8heXZKzg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1lUP_LnBhhXiGcy9 here at 4:45 Joey said "the music is fucking stellar". He is just hating for the sake of hating it, which is really disappointing to me.
@@DrOshawott He's takes are the worst because he can't even back them up properly. If Connor come's out as arrogant he can admit to it, Joye on the other hand is like a arrogant fanatic that will never listen that he's points are objectively wrong
Also Joey saying its the most basic jpop is just so untrue. I cant take him seriously anymore. Really sad to see.
I really liked the 11th episode of Makeine following Komari that shows what it is really like to have extreme social anxiety.
In Bocchi the rock, she is practically in a safe space. We don’t see her experience missed opportunities in the story because of how she acts. All her moments are absurd and stereotypically comedic depictions of anxiety.
When you tell people you don’t agree with how Bocchi the rock depicts social anxiety, you will have people telling you that you just don’t experience anxiety yourself.
He just can't comprehend antisocial/asocial people exist.
Way to hear exactly what you want to hear, good job.
He sounds like he lived a perfect life and never encountered "difficult" people. The fact he says this suit genuinely makes me dislike him.
Antisocial means psychopath, asocial is probably a better word.
@@Ergoperidot
point taken.
@@Ichigo2k9Now I'm not gonna dislike Joey over Bocchi The Rock cause hating someone over Anime is very stupid and I'm sure he's encountered plenty of awkward antisocial people. He's literally told stories of how he went to concerts where a quiet girl was selling merch, he just like making Bocchi fans mad. Still this take makes him sound very delusional nonetheless.
There was a time in my life where my anxiety was so bad that I would legit break down crying at the thought of having to do a phone call to make an appointment. Joey isn't obligated to enjoy Bocchi the Rock but him being completely ignorant of people with severe social anxiety existing is really rubbing me the wrong way and I hope he educates himself on the topic to not sound so insensitive.
On my peak depression moment i literally felt the same.
Thank goodness i didn't end myself
Even worse when you think about the "crippling" in crippling anxiety. The word is there for a reason and it's been used even before the world cared about mental health. It's definitely not uncommon and acting like it just doesn't happen (especially when all of us know what crippling anxiety means) is pretty disingenuous and ignorant
I think him not liking the shows is far different than him dismissing people with social anxiety, he said I never met people like that no shiet thats like saying air doesnt exist because he cant see them when they do in fact exist.
Turns out my comment got deleted.
Tldr: yes, it's weird and looks like ignorance or rage baiting the engagement.
He can't be trusted far too often at this point
Can't blame him, It is asian mentality. If you were like Bocchi, your family beat you before the bully did 😂
Joey: "No one is that socially awkward"
Yeah no shot. You won't MEET someone that socially awkward, doesn't mean they don't exist Joey.
The fact that many, many, many people feel like Bocchi says a lot.
y`all trying so hard to be like some anime characters its cringe asf peoples like bocchi dont exist stop feeding ur delusion already its real world not anime
@@vsvbwr8694Of course you think they don't exist, they would never approach someone like you
@@vsvbwr8694 I recommend checking out the symptoms of chronic social anxiety, it might enlighten you...
@@vsvbwr8694 well said
@@vsvbwr8694 I mean it's just exaggerated because we are in her head and it's anime, of course no one is THAT socially anxious (maybe like a couple of people in the world), but many people feel like her, because people with social anxiety tend to really exaggerate how awkward the situation is in their head
It's not that deep
To be fair, I wouldn't have bat an eye if Joey just said that he didn't enjoy watching BtR and ended it there, but his reasons are just so easily disproven to be untrue that it irks me so.
Have you heard of hikkikomori, Joey? You know, the kind of people who are afraid to step out of their rooms because of how anxious they are? I wonder where these people are, Joey, what country has invented the term for people like that?
I'm so thankful to SungWon for coming and straight up exposing Joey as a poser, so refreshing to see.
@@alexeystarkov7504 Excuse me, who's that?
@@FirstLast-wk3kc It's ProZD that's his name
@alexeystarkov7504 i wasn't sure, thanks for confirming, my internet is literally dying, I'm afraid to google anything now(((
Have a good day bro, Goodluck.
(I hope this will post it)
> Doesn't like Bocchi's music
> Likes K-on's music
I think other people have come to this conclusion before me, but you're just doing it on purpose now Joey.
Hey let a man enjoy what he wants. I am not a fan of his take on social anxiety portrayal in bocchi but music is purely subjective. I find myself enjoying k-on's poppy songs more than bocchis objectively better songs especially when going to gym or out on runs.
@@saga55797The whole Bocchi debacle started from Joey putting down the show.
hey, k-on's music is great
As soon as he said that I just disregarded all of his opinions
@@VampireSentoki56it’s not about the songs being bad as much as it’s about him likely bashing Bocchi because it can be seen as a “rival” to K-On meaning his opinions are biased.
I love this podcast but I can’t fucking stand Joey. He’s so pompous whenever he gives an opinion on something. I’m one of those very introverted, socially awkward people that loved Bocci the Rock and resonated with her social struggles.
Pompous is a good way of putting it, even worse he isnt even consistent with his opinions.
He's the reason I don't even watch Trash Taste anymore. I have fun watching Garnt and Connor argue over the smallest things, or just talking opinions on stuff, but Joey sometimes sounds like he's just talking down on people. "Pompous" really is the best word to describe it.
Joey lost the argument with his opening statement. He’s comparing Anime to “Real Life” anti social ppl. Yes ppl irl are like that. But also, a type of person is exaggerated in diff forms of Media to convey its story. That what Bochii does to its MC in occasions. Even Anime that’s grounded does this. For ex. “Honey and Clover” and some of its characters.
A Honey and Clover mention is like seeing a unicorn in an Arby's parking lot... anyways I absolutely agree with you here. It's a statement coming from sheer ignorance.
I feel like Bocchi the rock is a bad depiction because it is stereotypically comedic. It doesn’t show what it is really like, yet it gets a lot of credit.
I watched the 11th episode of Makeine and I think that showcased the perfect experience of someone that has extreme social anxiety.
@@bonfist7277 IMO Bocchi is a good depiction *because* it doesn't show "what it's really like" instead it shows what it feels like. I can't speak for the example you gave but every other depiction of social anxiety I've seen sucks because its focus on realism makes it loose any form of authenticity and feels more like a text book description, but because bocchi is less focused on realism it ends up being more authentic to me because it captures the feeling not the reality. Also part of the way I got over social anxiety was by realizing how ridiculous and stupid it is and I feel like bocchi shines a spot light on that and can help people that way.
@@lilpenn7516 It is stupid to you, if you think of this experience like something from Bocchi.
My experience is that I don’t want to bother people, or look stupid for making a mistake. It gives me this paralyzing fear to act, and I mask it and try to act as normal as possible. Otherwise, I stay home.
In Makine, Komari shows what it is like to miss opportunities and be treated like less of a person by those who genuinely care about you.
As you say, there it doesn’t give some weird graphic to display how they feel. It’s just raw and shows you by how they act and what they say instead.
@@lilpenn7516 Exactly. There are anime that can depict social anxiety more accurately, but in a medium to entertain people and get people to relate, capturing the feeling is most important.
And it may be hard to believe, but I think Bocchi did so well BECAUSE she was relatable to so many people. No, there aren’t millions of people that literally did what Bocchi does… but extreme thoughts for normal people are regular thoughts for Bocchi. She is an extreme form of the archetype done in a funny way to have others relate, to tell a story about how you can improve, no matter your situation.
Series like Komi or Watamote are like this, but I think those series were more extreme and less relatable than Bocchi (people can have illusions of grandeur and performance anxiety, but not everyone has such crippling social anxiety as to not speak).
This is the same Joey that said "The Wind Rises is the most mid movie he's ever watched" just to admit he never watched it in a later video and said "Mushoku Tensei doesn't deserve to be that high" in his Reddit's top 100 anime video when he hasn't even watched past the first half of Season 1.
Notice how dishonest or straight up wrong all of his criticisms are too. "The music is bad" (literally likes K-On), "No one is that socially awkward IRL" (the sheer ignorance it takes to say this), "No one watches this show to see Bocchi gain the confidence to perform on stage" (just so wrong, why are you even talking at this point).
The man is a disingenuous contrarian that just wants to look different, really no other way to explain his inconsistent and ridiculous takes.
He's reddit. Thinks certain people don't exist, hates stuff he hasn't watched, complains about stuff he's heard about.
Agreed 💯
Mushoku tensei doesn't deserve to be that high considering S2 is mid at best , especially for the fact it ranked exactly higher than made in abyss in that list , which is the best anime ever
tbf mushoku tensei doesnt deserve to be however high it is but ya joey is contrarian and just lies for no reason which every trash taste fan agrees is hella annoying
Also I'm pretty sure he's said that the music was good previously
Joey out here reminding me why I don't tune in to the podcast anymore. I dealt with enough contrarian hipsters in high school, I don't wanna spend my free time listening to a grown ass man that apparently never outgrew that phase
On God😭
I havent even watched btr but just the fact that he mentioned before he likes the btr songs and then backtracked, I can understand someone changing opinions, but joey just seems to be doing it to be a contrarian
damn you fckin roasted him
By Joey’s logic most anime out there is bad then. JOJO is bad because no one has stands and acts like JOJO characters IRL. It’s funny how he likes Nichijou, no one acts like the characters in that anime. He said it’s different because it’s absurd comedy? Absurd according to google means unreasonable or illogical. By Joey’s logic again doesn’t Bocchi’s reaction to things because of social anxiety counts as absurd because from his words “no one acts like that irl.”
Difference is Jojo is still fantasy
Not really a fair argument because shows like Jojo don't play into relatability.
Don't agree with Joeys take tho.
@triggerfairy4070 Nichijou isn’t fantasy, both that and BtR are absurdist comedies
@@ragnaricstudios5888 did say it was? Pretty sure I only mentioned Jojo
The point is you gave JoJo a pass cause it’s fantasy, Joey loves Nichijou which is basically Bocchi’s comedy on cr@ck, so he can’t say that he wants realism in is anime
I hate the fact Joey is still dying on this hill of "No one is that socially awkward"
I feel bad for him. It's pretty hard to have a sane take like his that conflicts with what his target audience (probably consists of a lot of losers) thinks. Imo he's absolutely right and anybody who is that socially awkward just has a mental condition. Once you genuinely interact with real people, being socially awkward becomes a whole lot less cool. You guys just need to grow up.
He says it like hes gonna see one like statistically there are no good robbers because they get all get caugh
@@Ristive weird take. im pretty introverted but not that bad i can obviously talk to people and i agree it negatively impacts your life. however saying 'you just need to grow up' when a lot of people are just incapable of interacting with people and if they wanna live like that it is their choice and they have to deal with the negative consequences. you kind of give off a peaked in high school energy with this take just let people exist
@@javier-qs2hd I don't think people who are unable to interact with others should be trusted with the choice of continuing to live the way they do or not. Of course they'd choose not to change because that's easier.
Also I said "you just need to grow up" because a lot of people watching this video think it's cool to be antisocial. That's perfectly fine if you're like 12 and just going through a phase but a lot of others are older but haven't grown out of it yet.
@@Ristive interesting. so you think a fully grown person should not be given the choice of what to do with their life? are u a fascist or are u just no very smart because that makes no sense
This isn't even a debate if the show is good or not. This really has nothing to do with defending it, it has to do with Joey either disbelieving or just ignorantly not caring to educate himself about the topic the show covers. I'd like to think Joey is really just playing this up for the Trash Taste episode but he keeps doubling down over multiple episodes over a large course of time this discussion has taken place so it makes me worried that's not the case. I have no words anymore.
it’s honestly really disheartening :( social anxiety can get that debilitating (bocchi is exaggerated obvs but it could reflect how someone feels on the inside) and the fact that he dismisses them as non existent is so frustrating
Im not on 'cancel culture' but holy shit, he really close to deserving that
Sadly that’s Joey’s take on everything lately, I still can’t believed they had to force him twice to watch Arcane just because he was too dug in his contrarian mindset. It really feels like he’s approaching everything like he’s in this cringy adolescent phase were you only like things because they’re « deep » and « niche » despite not getting any of the actual messages of the work. He’s acting like a teen hipster. Which is sad because before he had really good insight on some of the stuff he actually took the time to watch
@@sharlockshacolmes9381- Oh he’s definitely a hipster as I’m certain the actual reason he hates a lot of this stuff is cause it’s popular. He admitted quite some time back that he hates Yuri On Ice for that reason (which the YOI fanbase rightfully dragged him for) and given that he initially liked Boochi when it was on episode 7 during it’s initial release when it’s popularity was at a more modest like level indicates on this as it was later in it’s run that Boochi took off to the status it has now and it wasn’t long after that we got Joey’s bs takes on it. So it’s most likely that he’s bitter over something he was liking becoming popular.
This is ego mixed with a lack of empathy.
He cant think introspectively
Thank you ProZD
the guy who said the voice actors should be segragated abd voice only appropriate race characters
Thank you ProZD
Thank you ProZD
Saying Bochi is trying too hard to be K-On is like saying Guns N Roses is trying too hard to be Led Zeppelin. It may be true, but that doesn’t make Guns N Roses a bad band.
This is a great comparison honestly
I watched both shows and I never got that impression. BTR is being its own thing. K-On is also its own thing. I liked BTR's depiction of performances more.
i never really saw it as bocchi trying to be k-on. Inspired, sure, but they are still different
it's also not even true, they're such different shows...
btr is nothing like kei on lol
The normification of Joey is wild.
He is no longer The Anime Man, there is a big disconnect of his roots as a weeb.
It's crazy that Joey told Emily that he loved BTR's music when she was a guest on the podcast. You straight up can't trust a single thing Joey says.
that's most people tbh
You can hate a show but love aspects of it.
@@fiorno111Joey has said he thought BTR’s music was mid as fuck.
dudes a complete "yes man" and a contrarian at the same time. You watch episodes of this podcast and most of the time you see joey say stuff and contradicts himself in the next . Or dude just completely lies. what an asshole
@@allenrosales9738 So not bad? “Mid as fuck” is such nothing statement.
I'm trying so hard to believe he's just playing it up for the camera
He is. People might hate him for it but that's how he is towards Anime fans.
@@ShadowOfMassDestructionas he should anime fans are the weirdest people in internet
Imagine hating because someone didn't like your stupid anime
Just watch anime dont act like weirdo in xtwitter
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction if you act like you're stupid enough, you are
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction i thought the boys hated ppl like the Paul brothers who play it up for the camera. But somehow he's doing the same thing himself?
@@ShadowOfMassDestructionHe isn't even wrong.
Lmao did he just say... OK I never heard of Bocchi but he's complaining that her character is TOO exaggerated...? An anime character being TOO exaggerated... No one acts like that... Bro what lmfao does he like any anime at all??
He genuinely doesn't like anime anymore.
I think he hasn't watched a single anime in like 5 years.
He may used to be The Anime Man but nowadays hes more like The Normie Man.
@@MPnoir More like The Failed Normie Man
Joey really lives in his own world. It's kinda wild to see.
Socially awkward people would hear Elden Ring boss music in the presence of Joey.
Joey acknowledges that socially awkward people exist. He's told plenty of stories of him meeting them. He just doesn't like Bocchi cause it reminds him too much of Watamote. He likes riling up Anime fans and I get it cause they're psychos who would break your house down over not liking their favorite character. He's not dense, he's just a clown.
Nah, he's told plenty of stories about how he has met socially awkward people at concerts and Anime conventions or what have you. Dude just likes riling up Bocchi fans, he isn't dense.
FR.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction So he’s not dense, he just likes being an asshole?
I think that’s actually worse, tbh…
You can give him a pass on hating Bocchi even for stupid reasons but not acknowledging people who are that socially awkward exist? Even going far as saying those people are delusional and only pretending to be socially awkward is disrespectful AF wtf joey
No one is this socially awkward, to the point of having seizures every 4 minutes. they don't exist.
@vould7233 as a psychiatric practitioner, hahaha. i like it when people give this take.. they actually do exist haha
@@nursesleeping Evidently not a good one then
@@vould7233you go be a psychiatric practitioner then
@@vould7233 You're just as stupid as Joey lmfao
Joey went from saying he liked bocchi in the emirichu collab and calling ppl crazy for calling bocchi a k-on clone(no ones ever said this) to hating bocchi on such a deep level and constantly comparing it to K on. Its a little sad that he genuinely believes people with social anxiety doesnt exist bc it affects me so much that I have a hard time making friends and getting a job
Funny thing is he had the same kinda turn around about Watamote and has also unnecessarily brought it up in conversations about these types of shows just to slander it. The difference with that though is that even he isn't stupid enough to say the Watamote OP doesn't slap, cuz it absolutely does
Connor and Garnt laughing at the beginning cos they know how ass joey's take is lol
The reason people ofete say "No one acts like that in real life," is because you rarely see them in real life. Those with extreme social anxiety are elusive, often retreat indoors, avoiding overstimulating social situations. This is perfectly illustrated in Bocchi the Rock! Bocchi herself rarely goes outside, except for school. The only reason she ventures into the outside world is that she got pulled into joining a band, pushing her out of her comfort zone.
His take on Bocchi genuinely makes me like him less as a person. Not because he doesn't like the anime I like, but because he insists on saying people who suffer from social phobia and who acts awkward in social situations like me don't exist. He's being deliberately ignorant and dismissing all the mental struggle I had to face my entire life because of this crap.
It would be like someone going to his face, and telling him that he never put any effort in working an honest day in his life, despite the fact he created more than one successful youtube channel, and a successful clothing brand.
Relax
thats fair, i think him just outright dismissing that people who have social anxiety have it 'that bad' and that they're exaggerating is not great like at all, and when its more so for clicks at this point, it feels gross
Personally i dislike him for trying to justify being close/narrow minded instead of mutual "i see ur point but i prefer" type discussion
@@deiz1083 we won't relax just like that, it really hurts to be deemed ignorant and delusional of the most painful thing in our lives.
It's like telling an overworking half dying slave that he's delusional and the problem is in his head
it's not that deep bro
To be honest I don't care if he doesn't watch anime anymore but the way he behaves acting full of himself and delibeletily being a jerk is really annoying. Every reason he brought up hating Bocchi was so surface level bullshit I wouldn't even be surprised if he generated those line by AI. And by his logic it doesn't make sense that he likes K-ON I mean all the statementg he mentioned not liking Bocchi (socially awkward not funny haha) directly applies Akiyama Mio (from K-ON) and if we are talking about gag relying on certain pattern being used for writing funny moments it's exactly how the comedy scenes were done in K-ON (Ritsu having her energetic personality and her fundness to prank others, and Mio being overly shy and easily scared etc...) using these as base mixing it with some exaggerated reaction and we have everything that K-ON comedy consist of.And saying you like K-ON because it is about some people coming together doing some cool music while the whole show is just cute girls doing cute thing with no progression while Bocchi had actual music related themes (for example acquiring place to play music, selling tickets) is also really weird. At this point he is just a walking contradiction.
trash taste is usually
"meh that anime mid, idk why everyone hype it up"
"i havent watched it"
Welcome to Joey, the misguided
He is stubborn middle aged man who can’t admit he is on the wrong side no matter what. There are people like him everywhere
"the music is just not very good"
(likes k-on music)
"I like absurdist comedy"
(hates an anime where almost all of the jokes in it are absurd as sht)
Bro you gotta be fking joking 😭🙏
I’m surprised Joey likes Jojo. No one has stands in real life but he seems to enjoy it just fine
Also nobody acts like Jojo characters IRL, so he suppose to be thinking Jojo is also garbage? Just a man can't accept that his take is idiotic and he sticks to it simply to be "not like everybody esle"
The main focus in Bocchi is the social anxiety and the comedy, while in Jojo it's the fights and trying to get to the main villain of that part. That analogy doesn't seem to fit the situation.
@@Avdb033aye, Joey not complaining about the fantasy/absurd aspect on Bocchi, but her "unrealistic" introvertness
@@hafirenggayuda Because that is the main point of the show, just like how people rate comedy anime by how funny or unfunny it is or with battle shounen if the fights are bad, powerlevel doesn't make sense or too much plot armor etc.
@@alexeystarkov7504 To be fair, some Jojo fans probably do lol
Joey is just so over being the Anime man, and just want to do fashion and be cool, but he's just coming across as a try-hard without humility.
He just seems to have a chip on his shoulder these days about anime. It's like watching a midlife crisis. EDIT: I hope he finds his peace with himself again.
Actually offended by Joey's take and its not just because I'm a BTR fan, bc there's 'trash takes' and then there's straight up not believing anti social people exist just because he's never seen them/"ive never been that anxious so it cant be real", LIKE NO SHIT YOU AINT SEEING EM THEY ANTI SOCIAL!? That's not a trash taste that's just ignorance. And his takes on the OST is actually a crime, like they made a whole album + 3 extra songs, and not even using some of them in the show either, I dont care if its not his favorite kind of music but to call it BAD? Are you fucking kidding me.
It's just like saying "s*icidal people are just sad, they should get over it" His takes reek reddit troll energy but watching them unfold IRL is just ugh
Joey probably hasnt watched a full episode of Bocchi yet. He has done this sort of things before, by calling a show mid while not even watching the show at all (Wind Rises).
The boys supposedly hates YTbers like the Paul brothers who farms and plays it up for the camera, but somehow Joey has resorted to do the exact same thing himself
That's why I also can't take Joey seriously every time he calls himself 'musician'.
@@ragnaricksLOL
"No one is that awkward"
I had a friend in middle school, he was in an even worse situation than Bocchi. He was overthinking EVERY SINGLE THING, he was apologizing when he texts something to me, every time he tried to make a joke he hid his face and felt ashamed. I fucking loved Bocchi because she reminded him to me. He was one of the best friends I've ever had. I wonder what is he doing rn
Saying that "no one acts like Bochi" is not only inaccurate but also dismissive of the wide range of experiences people with social anxiety face. Social anxiety manifests differently for everyone, and while Bochi’s behavior may appear exaggerated for comedic or dramatic effect, it still captures the essence of what many people go through-self-doubt, avoidance, and overwhelming panic in social situations. Anime often amplifies traits for narrative impact, but that doesn't make them any less valid or relatable; in fact, it highlights the severity of how social anxiety can feel. Claiming her portrayal is unrealistic undermines the efforts to bring visibility to such conditions and risks alienating viewers who see themselves in her struggles. Instead of dismissing her as "unrealistic," her character should be appreciated for offering empathy and awareness, even in an exaggerated medium. By the way, I also think he's just typically trying to be quirky with the disliking music thing, but who knows. Anime usually handles topics like social anxiety very poorly and kinda tropey, but Bochi is a show which finally got it right in all of anime.
I would respond as I have with a few other people, but your comment reads like AI and might not be worth much time considering
Introverts will socialize but will feel be drained by the experience. Think plowing a field or lifting weights. They need recovery time after.
People with social anxiety will experience varying levels of fear related to even the thought of social engagements. For some, when accompanied by overthinking, it can lead to intense delusions. This is what we see with Hitori. She's an extreme case that doesn't represent the average person.
Personally, Bocchi seems to be a bit _too_ exaggerated to be considered to be realistic. However, none of her traits or responses are very far diverged from reality. It's only the _extent_ of her reactions that pushes her character out of the realm of believability for me. It's particularly the overthinking that pushes her beyond being simply a realistic depiction of someone who suffers from social anxiety into a caricature based on one. But it's precisely that exaggeration that pushes her from being a depressing reflection of a miserable and pitiable existence into loosely-relatable source of joy. Exaggeration is one of the key defining traits of comedy. Without some intentionally exaggerated aspect, most jokes will fail.
@@bonfist7277 you yourself feels more like AI, you're commenting the same thing in different replies over and over again
Name one person that acts like Bocchi irl.
@@KrakatowDA Dude basically "I'm only here to say I don't care what you're saying". Narcissistic attention seeker
K-On: You're just a cheap knock-off.
Bocchi: No, no, *I'm the upgrade.*
I've been to toyosato highschool (the school where k-on school is based off) this may, and there's a section at the library where u see bocchi and k-on fan drawings together, and i also managed to get a flyer with bocchi and k-on characters standing side-by-side. They didn't treat bocchi as a competitor to k-on and didn't create a toxic environment where both sides attack each other's preference, that's something manifested by the west and is thankfully not seen when you go to japan
You mean 'downgrade'.
@@SolracNexusThat's wholesome
Downgrade, sorry
Both.
Both are good.
Man I’m glad ProZD pushed the guys to actually explain their processes for why they dislike something
I can understand not liking an anime because of preferences, but it really feels like bro completely misunderstood Bocchi with the reasons he listed lol.
I think that’s why a lot of people are bothered by Joey’s opinion. It almost feels like he went into the anime with a negative attitude. Which I feel like people will do when they’ve been repeatedly bugged by others to watch something.
Joey genuinely believing that antisocial people don’t exist is crazy 😅
Asocial is the word, but yeah it's just such a weird take.
@ Oh for sure, he gets a laugh out of it.
@@mauroherrera9543 Except he's the only one laughing, everybody else is laughing at him, not with him😁
It’s not that Joey thinks asocial people don’t exist, it’s that he thinks asocial people cannot be as awkward as Bocchi.
He’s wrong either way.
He legit never said that. He said not as bad as Bocchi.
I’m pretty sure that Joey hates Boochi because it’s popular.
Very much, not the first time when it comes to "Just a man"
@@alexeystarkov7504 - Oh trust me, I remember well the backlash he got for admitting that he hates YOI because it’s popular.
I unironically have had moments where I overthought a stupid situation like Bocchi. Socially inept people do exist.
Bocchi the Rock music being not very good is a crazy take.
depends on taste ngl i also don't like bocchi's discography mygo and gbc are the discographies that i can get behind
There's actually a clip of Joey saying that the music is and I quote "fucking stellar", idk what happened for him to behave like bocchi killed his family or something to shit on it so much now lmao, people were sharing that clip and clowning on him on reddit 😭
@@closetBK1350 interesting
Its true tho music in bocchi is very basic
I dont think that's a crazy take by itself. What makes it crazy is that joey likes the music in k-on lmao
Just Contrarian stuff. Disliking Bocchi anime is fine but saying that about antisocial people and talking bad about the music just shows he just does it to hate. Especially coming from the fact this guy has hobbies in music and still decides to talk shit about the music. Especially when hes praised Kon which while not exactly the same is still anime girl band music.
joey is just so freaking frustrating. it's not enough that he doesn't like BTR. it has to be "no one is like that. people like that don't exist." and like. for one thing. it's clearly an absurdist comedy and the fact that he apparently can't understand that it's played up ON PURPOSE really just makes him look like he lacks any kind of media literacy.
but also. it's so ignorant and invalidating to act as though severe, intense, and debilitating social anxiety doesn't exist. like it genuinely makes me think less of him as a person, especially since i've seen him get criticism for this take repeatedly and he refuses to adopt any kind of empathy at all. idk even if it wasn't something that personally affected me like anxiety has, that kind of stubbornness rubs me the wrong way.
ok trauma dump alert, everyone stop reading now if you don't care: i like bocchi bc yeah, sure, i'm not literally on the floor having seizures and melting through ten planes of existence or whatever, but that's what it feels like in my head when i'm panicking. idk about anyone else, but i'm one like four different medications and a decade of therapy just to *kind of* exist like a normal person. bocchi reminds me a lot of being a teenager who almost flunked out of my senior year because my anxiety was so all-encompassing that i was having meltdowns in the car and couldn't get myself to go to school. i didn't literally hide my closet, but i quit all my instrument lessons, quit all my clubs, and isolated myself entirely. i didn't have to get into a box to exist in the world, but i had to be hospitalized and medicated and therapised until my brain and i could develop the armor necessary to try.
if you're taking it literally, yeah, it's stupid. and i don't even think BTR is doing anything particularly revolutionary. but if i just cannot understand this utter invalidation. it's really frustrating. bocchi is just a silly show that resonates with some people. idk.
People like Bocchi exist. It's just that the anime exaggerates it because it's a fkin COMEDY guys.
If they convey social anxiety just like IRL, it's gonna be a boring show.
I've never a person with social antiety only in fiction/internet
they feel antiety in pubic just being asked is that legit or bullshit
As an indian being introvert is already death flag most Indians aspect to
My relative's son almost reaching in his 40 age range a literal bookworm nerd whose very knowledgeable at books n study but complete reterd socially even tho he's a public high school teacher dude is so idiot he's dad is deadbeat alcoholic old man father
@@SodabicepBro's definately not oversharing lmao
@@alexeystarkov7504 unfortunately my comment disappeared maybe not in your pov
@Erpdc-y6w Nah it's just YT deleting comments randomly, happens to me from time to time too
Yeah absurdist comedy is a thing
Bochi the rock doesn't show actual social anxiety, it shows how it feels to have social anxiety
This was like high level diplomatic meeting where WW3 was on the table if talks broke down.
Actually they did manage to get real life Bocchi for the stage play. She's literally a professional introvert..love her 😭
6:15 Part of anxeitey is that everyrhing is way more serious then it is. Thats what anxiety is.
Based on all Joey takes on anime, i think he's just a contrarian and when he said something he want to defend it so much. It's not even about the social anxiety or the anime at this point, it's just his mind set
@@agseprastyosantoso8212 +
Connor just enjoying their fight is so funny to me
Joey lives too much on nostalgia
Saying this with a Haruhi pfp makes it even more scathing
bro hasnt watched a new anime in a long time, so his most recent anime also falls under nostalgia lol
He literally is, he stopped watching anime because he thinks "these new anime sucks" when he didn't even try to watch any. He's the last person u ask for opinion nowadays since most of his answer gonna be either rage bait or nostalgia talk
@@chinpowarrior5770 Yes! I have friends exactly like this! They keep droning on about the "classics" and I keep trying to tell them that we live in a time where there's at least one great, "classics" worthy, anime (manga or LN) coming out practically every other season. Nostalgia is one hell of a blindfold.
I generally don't watch new anime these days mostly because of burnout. However I don't make opinions like this when I haven't watched it
Joey: no one acts like that in real life
Wow Joey this is anime. Its supposed to be exaggerated.
People act like Bocchi irl. they’re called hikkikomoris
Joey just lives inside his own head, he doesn't witness the world around him.
He's also incredibly contrarian.
Bocchi isn’t even an introvert, Ryou is the introvert, Bocchi is an Extrovert with crippling social anxiety stopping her from being extroverted
A lot of the cast have different types of problems tbh. Bocchi wants to have friends but social anxiety is a bitch so she couldn't make any, the OP lyrics itself tells us that. Ryo is the real antisocial, but that's not healthy and her only saving grace is Nijika making friends with her.
Introversion/extroversion is about social energy. Bocchi was wiped out after that MVP performance in episode 8, there's no way she's an extrovert.
didya watch Rocchi the Bock xd
@@TheAdminSlayer Social anxiety is exactly why extraverts that suffer from it get drained, though, that's kinda the whole point.
The way I explained it to myself(maybe not entirely accurate) is that it's not the social interaction on it's own that drains you the most, but what social anxiety brings with it, introvert or otherwise
Yeah fully agree with u on the Ryo part. Idk about bocchi being extroverted tho
Connor is a normie and that's ok
TLDR: It took me about 10 years to get an associates degree at a community college.
It took me so long to finish community college, (about 10 years, not kidding) because I would go for like a semester and stop going just freaking out at the thought of taking the required speech course. At one point I took a German class and halfway through the semester we had to introduce ourselves in German (about a page long). I ended up doing it and I literally felt like I was dying, I felt so humiliated about how nervous I was in front of the class. I dropped it right after and stopped going to college for like 2 years. I eventually went back and took interpersonal communication but I got super lucky because it was during the winter semester, which was just the month of January, so it went by pretty fast. I only had to do a quick introduction in front of the class. For the rest of the semester I didn’t have to do any more speeches because I just never went up, and he wasn’t keeping track of who went up or not, and I passed the class. I know majority of people hate public speaking classes but I hated them due to my social anxiety, and I still do. There was also times where I had to pay at cash registers since there was no self checkout, only to end up having panic attacks in my car. I’m doing way better now but I used to be a socially anxious wreck.
Oh gee an extrovert not understanding introvert woes.
TOTALLY never seen that happen before
I feel validated in not being a regular viewer of the podcast now lol
Me too
I actually thought Bocchi WAS more real than Joey says. Getting really good at guitar wasn't going to fix her problem of not having friends, especially with crippling anxiety. I didn't think the point was to be funny, alone, but relatable. There are tons of people with social anxiety, Japan being the prime example.
disregarding joeys awful take connor saying he hates school tropes like the awkward teen mc who cant talk to girls, love triangles, etc is hilarious considering hes recent expressed enjoyment of dandadan whos mc is a super awkward teen who cant talk to girls and has a love triangle
He was too distracted by the milf lmao
I mean most times that trope is done poorly
Does Joey really not believe extremely introverted people exist? That's so tone deaf... they definately exist, and they'll for sure never want to see you, Joey, because you'll probably treat them terribly.
As someone with a relatively crippling anxiety disorder who has barely left his house in over a decade and struggles with employment, it wasnt just bocchi's reactions which I felt deeply but her struggle to improve and accept the help of her friends that really resonated personally. If it was just a gag series with an awkward person not growing just panicking I would agree it would wear on me. But its not, its a series where a person with demonstrable talent and good friends still struggles but still tries. Its one of the few series, anime or not that, I have personally resonated with not just enjoyed. (Also the music is good xP)
I will again be pissed that Joey's take wasn't voted worst. It is not only out of touch, but downright insulting.
If Joey just said BtR wasn’t for him like what Connor said, that would’ve been the end of it. Yet here we are….
This man really lives in an echo chamber LOL
As someone with social anxiety, I relate to Bocchi a lot. When I say that, I don’t mean that social interactions make me physically combust, but they do make me feel like I want to. The way that Bocchi’s anxiety is portrayed is over the top, but it’s done to help the audience understand what anxiety feels like internally. That being said, I did also relate to the less dramatic depictions of anxiety as well (like Bocchi wearing merch of the band she likes in hope that someone will approach her).
I think the number one reason Bocchi seems exaggerated is because that's how it *feels* in the moment. Like yeah I'm nowhere near as actually bad as Bocchi but good god it feels like it's specifically calling me as a person out sometimes.
I mean obviously the vast majority of people with any form of social anxiety don't start spazzing out on the ground over thoughts of social interaction, I believe it's supposed to be an over exaggeration for the sake of conveying the weight of that feeling properly. It represents the amount of panic a person can find themselves in, it's just that Bocchi shows it very plainly.
By the way, you NEVER insult the greatest soundtrack in all of modern anime like that ever again.
Bocchis "exaggerations" are just NORMAL LIFE for me
Prozd should be on at least once a month to keep these guys in line😂
Love them liking Sound Euphonium making peace
One of the single best anime out there.
Liz and the Blue Bird is even better
i found it by coincidence on youtube and i liked the flawless animation it looks really cool ...i added it to my list
@@eruno_ Peak taste
i gotta check hibike euphonium then...
I like that ProZD just shut that "Not Bocchi" bs reply down
Hating on Joey is such a thing now, and it's completely justified.
I'm sorry joey, but there are people that are so introverted they struggle to answer the phone.
The songs are legit written by the band leaders of arguably the best/most well known JRockartists (AKFG, Kana Boon, Tricot, The Peggies), so Joey is on crack hating the music when he has legit said he likes some of these bands so much
Bocchi the Rock is great. Of course it is over the top, it is an anime, but if watch it knowing about neurodiversity, then there are some really brilliant and subtle moments. For example, the band finding a way to work with she inability to make eye contact was all done through visuals and music. Ryou hears her loosing the bands tempo again, and like a good bassist signals with just a look to Nijika to use her drum beats to reset them. Or when the friends are around her house, and she is actually enjoying it, but eventually she hits her social interaction wall and just breaks down. Or that Kita is secretly just as neurotic as Hitori, but hides by being a people pleaser, often at great personal expense. Or that is brave enough to show for many people our relationships are really hard even when they work, with Nijika originally being totally freaked out by Hitori and only sticking with her out of desperation.
Anyone who is neurodiverse or knows someone who is can really empathise with these scenes and Hitori’s constant struggle with not knowing if she has done the socially wrong thing. Heck I still ask my partner after every social event if I was ok and did not do anything awkward. So while they may be over the top for laughs, they are still overlayed with subtly and hope we can all relate to.
Strangely enough, Connor has the best take in this discussion so far
Yeah, cuz he admits it's not for him and leaves at that, like a person who respects everyone's time (both his own and ours as the audience) should
Joey thinks he knows introverts. That's funny
I love ProZD took time to dissect the boys statement and have them explain to their takes, he is a man of reason and for the people. I haven't gotten around to watching K-On but when I do I'm gonna critique it in comparison to BTR. ESPECIALLY IN MUSIC. As a person that loves music BTR music is phenomenal each instrument on its own uniqueness and all of combine is such a vibe.
wouldn’t recommend the comparison at all. entirely different shows with different goals, themes, music and presentation and only a vaguely similar premise. you’ll enjoy both shows more if you value them for their individual strengths instead of trying to force a comparison where it doesn’t belong.
Sorry I didn't mean it in a negative way, but when someone says this is better over something else you can't help but go in comparing the two. I'm sure I'll like K-ON, I've seen a lot of clips from that show and always peaked my interest
Looks at my heavily socially axious near agoraphobic ass in the mirror then looks at Joey. Guess I don't exist.
Joey "The most ignorant man ever" Animeman
When Joey said "I think it's kind of arse." I switched to the gamer pose.
Japan literally has hikikomori problem... Nobody act like that
There’s a reason I don’t watch a lot of trash taste anymore, I don’t have the mental energy to engage in rage bait with Joey.
Everyone I know that likes Bocchi like it because they relate to her. Not so much because they act exactly like her, but because on the inside it's how they feel. It's like an exaggerated expression of their internal strife.
Has Joey never been to school in Japan? I find it impossible for him to not have met people more introverted than Bocchi if he has. I have met girls who basically made zero conversation with anyone except her one best friend over like all of middle school.
"BTR is exagerrated, no one acts like that"
Meanwhile literally Bocchi's Live Stage actress behaves exactly like that in front of Bocchi's VA.
Bocchi's a dialled up expression of a genuine feeling. It is an exaggeration but it's rooted in a feeling that's very relatable to people with some form of social anxiety. It takes the decision paralysis, self-admonishment, self-doubt, and discomfort people with social anxiety experience over seemingly minor social interactions and uses the medium of animation to convey them in an exaggerated way for humorous effect. It's exaggerated because that's the point.
Joey's a funny guy but he has some absolutely baffling takes on media.
I mean . . this is the guy who gave School Days an almost perfect score.
School days is not a bad anime though. It's no masterpiece but it's certainly among the better anime out there. The raw emotions it evokes is worth it.
I guess Joey’s dying on the hill by himself