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@screencrush watch the end of Loki Season 1 slyvia kills he who remains and the whole timeline with kang appears meaning Janet’s experience in quantum realm has changed so no plothole
What, if any, is the largest "base" realm? Like... theres the quantum realm, and there are places like Asgard... Are there larger realities than Earth in the MCU? Is He Who Remains' reality the "top" since he sees over all time from there?
There was a running gag after 2015 Secret Wars where Scott kept constantly bragging about how he punched Doom in the face once. With the way the movie ended we could possibly get this same joke but with Kang and that's why I really can't complain about him losing
I assumed the way the council of Kangs exiled Kang the Conqueror was by sabotaging his ship. He was probably traveling somewhere and got sucked into the quantum realm with a broken ship.
To expand on how did Kang not see his defeat & why he isn’t as strong, they both have same answer. Inside the Quantum Realm he cannot manipulate time & he cannot see past/present/future events. This is also why the Council sends him here. They may not know that life exists in the Quantum Realm but they know time & space do not function the same so it cuts them off from their true dangerous potential. So they exiled him b/c they thought how could he get out when there’s nothing down there & time/space don’t work proper there & it adds salt to wound onto Kang cuz he’ll exist cut off from the multiverse & timeline(s)
@newtonvoig It cant be b/c if he could see his defeat & let it happen it wouldn’t make sense. He would already know Hank was gonna bring an army of ants, Cassie would start a revolution, & Modok’s betrayal. If he could see this, he’d stop it & use this info to ensure he gets out
Kang wasnt at full power either, he just had his suit basically, in my opinion. So i can kind of give a pass for the "Ants" strong enough to beat him down. I think Ryan in the video touched on kang's view on how it all ends. Kang says, :"When you have the power to see through time, its hard not to go straight to the ending." Or something of that nature, So when he did have his power, he knows how it ends. Probably didnt look at his whole life story, i think it was out of ego. And of course, in agreeing with you, in the quantum realm, without his full power and the core, he couldnt see how the rebels attacked, and the ants. The ending that he foreshadows, can still be coming. I dont know enough of how it plays out.
Could also be a clue as to Kang or the Council not really aware of Earth 616 Avengers. It seems tons of Avengers timelines have been “conquered”, but it does feel like there’s something blocking Kang from knowing all about Earth 616.
Regarding to ants: also remember they were stuck in a time loop type thing which allowed them to live and develop countless lives before coming to save the day
@@JonGarcia And they were fearless. We saw the resistance ran for their lives when Kang got serious, but these ants were fearless. A lot of them got blasted away but that was not enough to stop them.
I would take an army of thousands of giant, fearless, super evolved, and technologically advanced ants over anything else on my side. All day. Every day.
it felt like an ex machina to me. very convenient that they fell in and also got stuck in a time loop and also remained loyal to HANK PYM of all people for all that time, loyal enough to be fighter drones in the final battle
I think they returned to the Quantum Realm right after the moment they got sucked in. We know that you can choose a specific date and time to exit the Quantum Realm. The gate that Janet set up would likely have just gone to the moment they left so it was as if they didn’t miss anything.
No, he cried bcoz they destroyed his tech and time travel platform and they failed his escape mission. And he lost something close to him we can feel his lost when everytime he talking.
All the questions here are quite valid and I appreciate that Ryan took the time to address them... I'm a little disappointed that the movie didn't do much to make some things clearer. It feels like they were rushed to make the release date and had to do some heavy-handed editing. I'm really interested in seeing the deleted scenes when this comes out on BR. That said, I would much rather have a movie like this pushed back a couple weeks than to cut essential details for time.
Mehh he didn’t really answered them, they were more like cop out answers. But aye it’s more answers than the ones we getting from marvel it self which is non,
well its tough to squeeze in everything in a movie not unless its in a streaming series platform, but the movie dint seem confusing at all, pretty straight forward
Supposedly the problem came from marvel studios wanting black panther to have the most attention and quantumania was put on the back burner because it wasn't seen as important. According to VFX artists that worked on both movies anyway
I believe it was Eric Voss from New Rockstars/Deep Dive, that theorized that The Conqueror is He Who Remains. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes, The Conqueror is his Goat variant, focused, methodical, meticulous. Where as He Who Remains, when we meet him, is quirky, eccentric, a trickster, seeming free as the air around us. I believe it's because he's conquered everything. So therefore when he meets the Loki's, he's overjoyed with the promise of what can result from their meeting. Let me just say how much I love Majors' performance for both these "variants," he's the reason I'm buying the whatever version of the ultimate bluray disc will be when it drops. I'm officially driving this bandwagon. I welcome a seat to anyone else here.
I did think the same after this movie finished, but from He Who Remains monologue of the history of the Kangs, there were more than 1 Kang who wanted to take out all the other universal Kang threats, and protect their own timeline. If Kang the Conqueror becomes He Who Remains, the mannerism differences from both characters could be explained by your reasoning above. Also, the scars. He Who Remains has no facial scars. You can always explain that away with there are no laws at the end of time, etc etc.... i keep thinking, that the Kang Dynasty and Council Mid Credits scene, is the reaction to after He Who Remains has died. Not Kang the Conqueror. If Sylvie can hide for presumably years, it would make sense that the Kang Dynasty could hide out from He Who Remains somewhere. Just a couple interesting points to bring up i thought.
I’ve always thought Victor Timely, HWR and Conqueror are the same person. As for the scars? He’d have so much access to amazing medical technology that a simple surgery could remove or hide them. Perhaps with help from The High Evolutionary. I think Kang and him have worked together before.
@@kbrewers I get the allure of such a juicy twist, but no, I don't think that's consistent with what we know so far. Sylvie was hidden from the TVA but HWR is beyond their dimension. He says he saw what happened on Lamentis, so presumably he saw her entire life, since that was the best hiding place she had. I don't think there's anywhere in the 4th dimension to hide from a 5th/6th dimensional being. Also I don't think it would make sense for them to refer to HWR as, _"the exiled one",_ when he could leave at any time and Quantum Kang was literally said to have been exiled by the other variants. Love the abstract thinking skills though, we need more theories!
Regarding how can they breathe: they aren’t exactly small anymore once they’re in the realm. Getting smaller is just a way to phase into this universe once you pass the “void” Janet talks about, everything is proportional
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this already. At the very beginning of the movie Janet sees multiple streaks of falling 'debris'. She traveled to the one closest to her and encountered Kang and his chair. If the debris was actually showing his banishment, what (or who) do the other debris streaks represent, assuming they aren't other pieces of his chair?
They’re probably just there for the looks but I would say the in-universe explanation is that these are either parts of his chair (which is in pretty bad shape in this scene) or part of the environment that was around Kang when he got banished.
Kang’s “death” was exactly like the ending of Darren Cross in the first Ant-Man movie. Logically, Kang will come back stronger, just like darren becoming modok
@@BarneyMersich Since Kang has the ability to do this, maybe he can do it on his own. But personally, I think this is how the other Kangs start to exist, something this Kang don't know before. Definitely exciting.
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@ScreenCrush What bothered me the most is how at the beginning of the movie Hank turned a medium pizza into a large pizza but supposedly Pym particles only move the space between atoms, so wouldnt this enlarged medium pizza leave everybody hungry af, I mean the size changed but the mass is still that of a medium pizza?
Wondering what you think of New Rockstars’ theory that Scott actually is still stuck in the quantum realm, or some kind of quantum illusion. They point to a lot of things in the final scene that don’t make sense if Scott is back in the real world - - but make a lot of sense if he never left the QR. Also, I’m now calling QR Codes “Quantum Realm” codes
Great theory as the one give away would be Kang purposely asking if he was the one with the hammer then eventually calling him Ant Man similar to the shoppe owner calling him the other bug guy then says thank you Ant Man the same way Kang called him Ant Man whereas before they entered the QR he thought he was Spiderman.
How to reconcile Janet's behavior at the end of AMatW with her behavior at the beginning of Quantumania was my biggest question coming out of this film. I've been thinking about it a lot, and here's something to consider: AMatW "happened before" the effects of Loki Season One. The multiverse didn't really exist when we saw Janet's behavior, and now it does. We don't really know how the effects of Loki Season One reverberated throughout the newly formed multiverse. For all we know, Janet's experience in the Quantum Realm was completely different before, and her experiences were then changed when Sylvie killed He That Remains. Maybe there's a different version of the post-credit AMatW scene that is now part of the canon, and we just haven't seen it, yet. Of course, I'm not sure how that squares with the teasing shot we saw of Kang's kingdom in a previous film...
No no, the multiverse existed even during Iron Man 1. It's just that we saw it's origin in Loki. Like time is a circle, the circle has branches but it all ends at the same point which give rise to the new beginning. I hope i was able to make sense to you😅
When they were preparing for Scott to go in, Janet was very specific about where to go and not go. Janet knew where Scott was going, was far enough away from the actual Realm.
How does aging works with Kang. He is essentially a normal dude that discovered time travel, but how is he able to keep himself from aging? Wouldn't he still age normally as he travels through time?
If Kang can invent time travel and then move through time and across multiple universes, I feel like it's not too much more to consider he also figured out a way to slow or stop his aging to perceptible immortality. Also, Hulk accidentally used the quantum realm to age and de-age Scott in Endgame, so there's some tangential evidence of age control possible. Basically, just insert "quantum" in front of whatever answer makes it work for you, lol.
Let's say Kang did know almost everything that would happen. I'm thinking that he let it all play out that way bc he wanted Scott to overload the multiversal engine so he could get sent wherever he went. He had to escape this way bc he needed the Council of Kangs to think he was dead. That's my theory anyway.
See now, that makes sense. I was wondering the whole time. if the council is outside ,with such a precise form of scrutiny over the multi verses, Why wouldn't they notice Kang's escape, and plan for for it? But if Kang uses Ant-man, like you say, then he could cover his escape with his presumed death. Boi's a G😎
My theory, and its a slight of hand theory, is that the Council of Kangs were talking about He Who Remains, and not Kang the Conqueror.... After typing that, totally thought of the Ant Man Card Tricks.
@@kbrewers yea, i'm going off of the ,"see you soon..." comment. So i'm presuming ,this quantum realm trapped Kang is He who remains. And that Kang the conqueror must become Hwr. If his claim is, it really is "inevitable" he wins the war. Then i'm assuming, Wherever this kang was shot off too, its were he gets Oliath to weaponize😏
@@toniwels8195 ya me too. I hope its the same kang, i know the scars are different. But the psychology mannerisms of a person can change if you have been isolated for all of time. And i think as a whole, it would bring this whole set of phases full circle. Much like Iron Man 1, and the end of End Game was a full loop on "I am Iron Man".
Those ants are terrifying. Hank Pym states that they are a “Type 2 Civilization” on the Kardashev scale, meaning they have to have a functioning Dyson sphere somewhere in the Quantum Realm
Pretty much 0 on the scale. Type 1 would harness the power of our solar system, type 2 harnesses the power of the galaxy. That quote in the movie is so overlooked it’s not even funny.
The big question I haven't seen answered anywhere yet is if Kang's beams could disintegrate randos, why did they just stun the Ant Family in the final battle? Did the suits protect them? Did he use up all his power beforehand? Etc etc
Hanks said the ants arrived well before and had lived long enough to develop a Type 2 civilization. ie: they were well past Star Trek level of technology. So yes, the suits could protect them.
People CLEARLY have no idea what a plot hole is. Carrying a shrunken tank (that has the same mass as it did when full sized) on your keychain is a plot hole but Janet doing something you wouldn't is not.
I think it would have made more sense if Janet didn't want to talk about Kang, if she had had a romantic relationship with him(instead of Krylar) and that's why she ended up finding out about him being a conquerer and what not.
It could have made more sense but since it's probably not a long time (definitely not a decade) and they were trying and pretty confident to escape, meanwhile with krylar it's would have been somewhere between 10 - 15 years and she had no hope of escaping
I think the mid credit scene is talking about he who remains. Killing Kang in the quantum realm doesn’t bring them closer to destroying the multiverse. But the lokis killing he who remains does because that disrupts the flow of time and is causing the incursions. All caused by Dr strange giving up the time stone so the avengers can learn time travel. Hence the MoM credit scene with Clea ( you caused an incursion )
I have been saying/thinking this a lot. The scene has the viewer assume they are talking about Kang the Conqueror, but if this Kang is not actually dead and just in another deeper part of the quantum realm/energy core, how would they know he is dead? In my head, its more compelling to have this diversion of thought, or 'sleight of hand' that they are actually speaking of He Who Remains, and these Kangs have been in hiding out somewhere where He Who Remains couldnt find them. Like Sylvie perhaps... And lastly i think its an incredible thought exercise on when He Who Remains is killed, Time reverts back and whatever will or has happened, will happen and has already happened based on my unprofessional knowledge of time. lol... The TVA works between Time, therefore in Loki Season 2, when you see the sculptures of what looks to be Kang the Conqueror or another variant, once HWR is killed, whatever will happen has already happened. Sounds scatter brained, but so much fun to think about.
That actually doesnt make sense, because the reason the Sacred Timeline exists is that He Who Remains prunes off any timeline that leads to a Kang. The only multiverse he allows is one where no Kangs rule and can start a war. So in no way can a council of Kangs exist in the Sacred Timeline. The mere existence of it means this happens "after" the Loki series, although time happens all at once, so it affects the past and future as well.
@@coreyburns4168 it was just a micro scope + radio basically so it let them look into it and send signals. This person's comment clearly missed the memo
For the question in 19:42 I think the reason Kang didn't use the tech he had to escape was because he didn't want to leave without the Multiversal engine core.
Thanks for explaining the Daren/ Yellowjacket/modok pym particle plot hole. Do you think there is a hard rule that pym particles (a shown chemical synthesis) can't be made within the quantum realm? Does modok have the ability to make more pym particles (albeit not 100% stable or usable)?
I wondered how the telepath was able to read the mind of the robot solider guy to get the password to the, er, thing. Reminded me of a scene in Babylon 5, probably series 1, where a telepath did the exact same thing to break someone out of a locked door - I think they asked the guard "what's the password?" and then killed them or choked them out because as soon as you ask someone about the password they think of it, even without saying it. Or something.
As for how no time appeared to have passed when they left the Quantum Realm, I assumed it was because Janet configured Kang’s time traveling multiversal core to spit them out moments after they first got pulled into the Quantum Realm.
Time in the MCU keeps on passing, yet if they returned to the point at which they left, they would be travelling into the past of the MCU. It's been established that this is precisely what causes alternate timelines to spawn. Then that would mean that they are in an alternate timeline now which is a clone of the MCU, not the MCU.
@@the_actual_laurenThat wouldn't really be time travel. That's just returning to the same exact time they got sucked into the Quantum realm as if nothing really happened. Different timelines are only created if something in the past causes considerable change.
@@TheDemonCaine The point they came from turns into the past once any amount of time passes. For example, if you go into the QR at 5:00 PM, then allow 1 hour to pass in the MCU, then return to the MCU, you should theoretically return to 6:00 PM in the MCU. If the MCU is currently at 6:00 PM, then 5:00 PM becomes the past and you would be creating an alternate timeline by traveling there.
It looked like to me that Kang just went into a panic at the end when he had a chance to get out. That's why he ran for the portal. Just like one of those situations where someone is drowning and they panic and drown themself and the person trying to save them. Flight response.
My biggest issue was the final fight between Scott and Kang. No idea why Scott didn't attempt a takedown. Punch, punch, punch, is ineffective....and cliche. Scott's training in the first movie was a combination of grappling and striking. If he wanted to beat a larger opponent, take it to the ground.
Actually, this is still not really clear. Your question is most likely what Kang Dynasty and Secret Wats will end up properly answering. Almost everything we have seen till now suggests QR is actually the bedrock of all universes at the smallest level. If that's the actual route, then it would actually make the entire QR in the MCU consistent with real world quantum physics. If each universe provides its own definition of space and time, it's only natural that the Quantum Realm, which is a place where space and time becomes irrelevant, is fundamentally the gateway to all universes. This is also the implication of the time travel tech Tony made in Endgame as well.
I actually explained this to my sister. Draw a spider web or tree on a piece of white paper ( I use the comic version more) Fold it in half but leave spec between the halves, the space between the sides is the quantum realm Now to explain every hopping type Fold the middle part of paper down bringing two points together, that is America’s version. Fold the paper in half and poke a hole, that is quantum travel Follow one line to two points, draw a faint line in an arch between them, that is a time loop. And Kamala’s bangle And if you are drawing a web every intersect is an absolute point in time, unchangeable
The one part that is confusing at the end we see Scott walking around confused about how different things are from before he battled Kang does that mean this isn't the same time-line or different
I don’t know why any Marvel Comics fan would have a problem with Ant-Man beating Kang. You’re supposed to find it thrilling when the underdog hero puts up a fight and uses the villain’s own pride against him. As thousands of Marvel comics have shown… ANY character can beat ANY other character under the right circumstances. That’s part of what makes this movie awesome, not stupid. Damn.
I do question a lot, but one thing I will add is that I believe Kang didn't hand over Cassie because he felt Scott wasn't honoring their agreement. He seemed willing at first but Scott repeatedly said no and that angered Kang who then frustratingly asks whether he'd have to take it from him (something along those lines). I think at this point, he changed his mind on honoring the agreement because he felt Scott was not.
The problem with these setup movies like this is like this could have been a really cool six parts episode miniseries like they did with Hawkeye just as little like in between her thing. There was just too much the whole microverse the quantum realm all that stuff like needed more time to explain it it just would have been better if it was like a six part TV show episode because there's like these kind of movies are are set up for the whole Avengers thing right but I don't know feel like a 2-hour billion dollar movie should only really be the resort for you know the big flashy stuff not of this like small set of stuff like this was effectively a closet episode.
@@AfroMocha That, I do agree with. Much of what I even know, I know due to watching videos (like this) describing things on Kang. My main concern with this storyline will be them losing people by not providing enough context in the movies.
I love that about this plot: families do have a hard time communicating trauma, sometimes (and we as the audience want to find out Janet's truth as well).
Why did Kang not freeze time during the "revolution" like he did with Janet earlier in the movie? He could've freezed giant Scott in time and kill him just like that, yet he sends his useless army. Why didn't he do it himself?
When Kang crashes in the Quantum Realm he is wearing "regular" clothes. After Janet and Kang fix the multiversal power core and insert it into Kangs ship he is able to access his "Kang suit" which implies that the suit is tied to or powered by the chair. Also, we would assume that before his banishement he wore the suit, and when his chair was damaged the suit was taken away, or he would have had it on when he crashed in the Quantum Realm. After finding out who Kang really is Janet takes the power core and the chair de-powers, but Kang gets to keep his suit and technology. The rules on how the suit works seem to be a bit inconsitant, except when its convenient to the plot.
You said it yourself, he wasn’t wearing the suit when crashing, meaning we can’t assume he wore the suit before the banishment, as you said, regular clothes when landing. The suits connects per neural connection with Kang, but needed the core to make the connection. So he used the core and got his suit on, connected to his neurals and then when the core is off it’s still the suit connected to his neurals. Easy beasy. ✌️ But honestly man, it’s sci fi, don’t dig too much 😂
9:33 Also the tech they used could've changed the way they exit the QR. In Endgame they specifically wanted to exit the QR in different times so they built a machine that would allow them to traverse that. Once they built a machine to retrieve particles to help Ghost they would want to avoid him returning to a different time so the tech would be made to let him return at the right time. Therefore avoiding the consequence of time traveling.
I just hope the recent news of their restructuring the release schedule means at least *some of the high quality visual effects will return to the series
It's crazy that sometimes we forget that Janet IS the Wasp... I hear a lot people saying "It's only called Ant-man and the Wasp because of the previous movie, Evangeline Lily almost doesn't do anything", but Hope Van Dyne actually only exist in an alternate reality on Marvel comics and she is a villain. The fact that Janet Van Dyne is responsible for the rise of Kang is big and kind fitting, giving that originally Hank Pym was responsible for Ultron, and the Pym/Van Dyne couple are the founders of the Avengers in the comics and in the movies they're not as important because A: The Infamous domestic abuse story in the comics B: Marvel didn't believed in the potential of female superheroes onscreen back in 2008 and C: Edgard Wright really wanted to do a heist movie with Scott.
13:20 They were following Scott and Cassie, Genthora even said “you brought him here” 🎉 14:03 SCHRÖDINGERS CAT, damn it Kang is SCHRÖDINGERS CAT what don’t they understand ? 😂 not alive and not dead since we don’t know 🎉 16:12 That’s so obviously bluffed, right after Scott is bluffing with calling the avengers, he just knew he didn’t and he knew avengers. Like Ryan said he calls him ant man any way. 21:54 here’s even a quick scene where the core and the machine gets dragged to the side and shuts half off/is damaged
We might not know whether Kang is dead, but, just like the cat, Kang does. It would be silly, and rather unfortunate for cats, if they could be both alive and dead until somebody noticed.
@@shtarpark7938 lmao, that’s a concept dude, the cat cannot observe itself, in this case meaning Kang sure knows about his status, but WE, the observing ones don’t.
@@_TheViewer_ Yes, the cat can observe itself, it's a cat. It's an imaginary cat, obviously, because it's in a thought experiment, but the point of the thought experiment wasn't what you think it was.
@@_TheViewer_ Also, if you try to think about what you mean when you say the cat is dead or alive 'in general', it might lead you to why the imaginary cat was put in the imaginary box in the first place.
I totally think pride got the better of Kang. He could have just left, but hubris is often the downfall of powerful men who are accustomed to ruling over others and winning everything they attempt. I think Scott winning (or Kang losing) in the end was foreshadowed by the name of Scott’s book, Look Out For The Little Guy. Someone as powerful as Kang would tend to underestimate someone like Scott. The victory of the underdog is a tale as old as time. It really should not be a surprise. Also,this is a comic book movie. KANG IS NOT DEAD!
Why did the Ants stop attacking Kang, and suddenly disappear when Scott needed help fighting Kang? This is similar to the aqua Na'avi tribe disappearing during the climax of Avatar 2, which also makes no sense.
This is great. I'm not sure we will ever see THIS Kang again. He may very well be dead. I suspect every time we see Kang its a different Variant. I have to imagine the end of the Kang Dynasty means that the Avengers somehow stop all Kang variants ... perhaps by causing Kang to never exist in any timeline.
Kang didnt died at the end of the movie he went into another Micro-verse to where when it comes back he'll probably be the beyonder for Avengers 5 and also what do you think about this kang the conqueror or the variant in the post credit scene might end up being an early version of He Who Remains that died at the end of Loki season 1?
Don't know if this was mentioned below, but are those blue rings from Kang's city/ship related to the blue rings in "Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings"? We know Wong said they were not from Earth and Captain Marvel said they were not from any tech she recognized?
What are the chances that Kang got shrunk down into a sub-level perhaps previously unknown or accessed? If that engine was needed as a catalyst to get there, even if by accident, what’s the chances that anybody else has been down further? My question is, has all of this happened before? After all we are in a massive time loop, correct? or are we in a phase of the multiverse history that is unpredictable due to the branching time lines? He who remains sounded VERY confident that he would just eventually end up right back at the TVA after Sylvie and Loki killed him. Once the multiverse started to branch though, he who remains didn’t know what happens next. He passed “the threshold”. He did still however seem to know he would end up right back where he was at the TVA? Ryan help me!
What about how Kang was vaporizing folks with his blue beams and once Scott got there, he took a direct hit and wasn't vaporized? I don't remember getting any info about his suit offering any type of protection.
I wonder if Janet created the 10 rings to ensure a safety net against kang in the future...and somehow got them out some way ..the ring gives the holder a portion of inner power that can be considered good or evil depending on the wielder. Or the weapon can be a safety net given by a future or past kang.
I also expect the logic from the comics to apply in the MCU. When Ant-Man and his friends went deep enough into the Quantum Realm they truly went into another universe. Shrinking is just a tool to travel the multiverse and they may or may not have been normal size at that point.
I don't think Kang killed previous Avengers in a one-on-one fistfight, for people like Thor, Captain Marvel, and Doctor Strange, he probably used Alioth to completely erase their timelines from a safe distance.
Honestly once you deal with the idea of endless realms, time travel, time is a circle, unlimited copies of yourself, nothing is permanent and therefore nothing has value. There is nothing at risk here. Not to mention now you have to deal with endless plot holes describing time travel or parallel universes and retconning what was said in a movie 10 years ago. Marvel really put themselves in a grinder here and the payoff is for a plot that is now insignificant.
Towards the end when they all came back from quantum realm they actually didnt go back to their own timeline. They all travelled to a totally different timeline. Noticed how all of a sudden the old bartender guy suddenly asked him for a payment when all along Scott was never charged for his coffee. And some people on the street looks at him differently. Just my observation
Fantastic Video! You covered just about everything. People tend to forget that characters have different emotions that drive their choices; affected by their personalities. There are logical choices characters can make, but that "logic" is most clear in hindsight and in third person. Great job explaining all of this and I'm sure it will help those who may have misunderstood this film. Personally, I think it's great.
Good on you man for helping with the details that people missed out on (Or possibly ignored to spin a narrative, but anyway). I appreciate this video, well done!
"why did Kang die, isn't he supposed to be strong?" After watching this movie and the Loki series (spoiler alert ), I feel like I'm starting to get a grasp on the power level of the Kang variants. The Kang in Quantumania speaks almost in the same cadance as Victor Timely, and also has a lottt of vigor and fighting spirit compared to He Who Remains (who in contrast is more "chill" to talk to, and is very tired of his unending existence) So my guess is this: Victor Timely: is the starting point of Kang/ weakest of all variants. Quantumania Kang the Conqueror: is a young variant who is only on his way to gaining overwhelming knowledge and power. He Who Remains: is the strongest/ sole survivor of the Multiversal War (more wise and has greater control on his power. We didn't see his full power on display, but the fact he had to "end" himself cuz he just won't die, speaks volumes) So yea, that's my theory as to why Ant-man Kang seems "weak" to us watchers : D
2:45 the knew that if she earned the world about the future threat coming, there would be vast consequences possibly tva or a kang attack from council of kangs
People are misunderstanding the 5 year/5 min thing... Scott was in the QR for what felt like 5 mins, but it was 5 years after entering that he is pulled out... Janet was in the QR for years, hence aging because she was pulled out of the QR 30 years later (real time)... time wont mean anything (because it is only relative), but the body will still age...
My question is why did kang stop Scott from leaving through the portal because technically they needed his Powercore to power of the portal to go back home so all he had to do was let them go and they would’ve left the power cord behind and he still would’ve gotten what he wanted, which is being able to leave cause his chair is still there as well
Is it just me but looking at when Kang was attacking Scott after escaping the ant stampede, we get a quick look of his damaged suit. His bracer on his left arm is very reminiscent of Kamala Khan's bangle. Could her bangle be a part of Kang's battle suit?
@shivammohanial1332 Bro! They do not show Kang dying at all... Therefore he could be alive somewhere. Yes the post credit scene show lots of kangs but this Kang was part of council for having different ideas
So I think the Kang we met in the qr is he who remains and wherever he gets sent w the multiversal engine will cause him to meet alioth, starting the process all over again
Cuz the writers both need to have the master of space and time trapped in the Quantum Realm, and also have a way for him to escape. Ironically the film was rewritten so that he *died* so the plot doesn’t logically require the chair. This is an example of a story that was not thought through to begin with and then got rewritten and re-re written. It’s just so obviously bad, that it’s funny to listen to anyone defending it. You might as well be defending Cat Woman…..or “Cats” the movie. Lol
My confusion is how, if they're all trapped in the quantum realm and if it takes Pym particles to move back and forth, Modoc was able to reach up into our universe (from a device that was turned off btw) and kidnap the heroes to begin with?
The best explanation for kang losing to Scott and the ant Fam is because he actually forgot scott isn’t the original Ant Man. It was hank. In the scene he screamed “all you do is talk to ants” and hank showed up it’s corny but I think they will play on to this with the young avengers team later on
I think the telekinetic powers would have been better explained if they were confined to the prison, so having collar or something would explain more. But it felt like it was confined to the prison
Ryan, great video as always. Totally unrelated but something I’ve wondered for a long time now is if the movie wall behind you and Doug is fake? Sometimes it looks like a big print out but other times I’m not so sure. Can you settle this for me once and for all? Thanks!
I think the time vortex is the reason Scott was in the QR for 5 minutes, but years went by above, during IW and Endgame. The time they spent in the QR in this movie, didn't cause a time jump above, right?
I keep seeing people complaining about how easily super ants and Antman defeated Kang. My understanding is that the counsel of Kangs trapped this Kang in the quantum realm to prevent him from using his miltiverse/time travel technology. So the fact Kang was so strong with only a fraction of his power proves how big of a threat he could be.
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@screencrush watch the end of Loki Season 1 slyvia kills he who remains and the whole timeline with kang appears meaning Janet’s experience in quantum realm has changed so no plothole
all i heard in this video is a bunch of excuses for horrible writing lol
What, if any, is the largest "base" realm?
Like... theres the quantum realm, and there are places like Asgard... Are there larger realities than Earth in the MCU? Is He Who Remains' reality the "top" since he sees over all time from there?
This was the Bill Murray from City of Ember.
There was a running gag after 2015 Secret Wars where Scott kept constantly bragging about how he punched Doom in the face once. With the way the movie ended we could possibly get this same joke but with Kang and that's why I really can't complain about him losing
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I assumed the way the council of Kangs exiled Kang the Conqueror was by sabotaging his ship. He was probably traveling somewhere and got sucked into the quantum realm with a broken ship.
Exactly, and I’m pretty sure Janet mentioned the sabotage as well in the movie - “they sabotaged his ship and sent him here…”
@@mattaxelson7577 She did. I just watched it. Definitely said his ship was sabotaged.
That's EXACTLY what I got when I watched the movie
I am still pretty sure that is what happened. Otherwise it would be an accident that they implied this.
To expand on how did Kang not see his defeat & why he isn’t as strong, they both have same answer. Inside the Quantum Realm he cannot manipulate time & he cannot see past/present/future events. This is also why the Council sends him here. They may not know that life exists in the Quantum Realm but they know time & space do not function the same so it cuts them off from their true dangerous potential. So they exiled him b/c they thought how could he get out when there’s nothing down there & time/space don’t work proper there & it adds salt to wound onto Kang cuz he’ll exist cut off from the multiverse & timeline(s)
Exactly. I completely agree with this. Even without his time manipulation he was still a one-man army which is badass
@newtonvoig It cant be b/c if he could see his defeat & let it happen it wouldn’t make sense. He would already know Hank was gonna bring an army of ants, Cassie would start a revolution, & Modok’s betrayal. If he could see this, he’d stop it & use this info to ensure he gets out
Kang wasnt at full power either, he just had his suit basically, in my opinion. So i can kind of give a pass for the "Ants" strong enough to beat him down. I think Ryan in the video touched on kang's view on how it all ends. Kang says, :"When you have the power to see through time, its hard not to go straight to the ending." Or something of that nature, So when he did have his power, he knows how it ends. Probably didnt look at his whole life story, i think it was out of ego. And of course, in agreeing with you, in the quantum realm, without his full power and the core, he couldnt see how the rebels attacked, and the ants. The ending that he foreshadows, can still be coming. I dont know enough of how it plays out.
Could also be a clue as to Kang or the Council not really aware of Earth 616 Avengers. It seems tons of Avengers timelines have been “conquered”, but it does feel like there’s something blocking Kang from knowing all about Earth 616.
Regarding to ants: also remember they were stuck in a time loop type thing which allowed them to live and develop countless lives before coming to save the day
Dumbest thing in the mov
right - giant, highly durable, and technologically advanced 100k+ ant army
@@JonGarcia And they were fearless. We saw the resistance ran for their lives when Kang got serious, but these ants were fearless. A lot of them got blasted away but that was not enough to stop them.
I would take an army of thousands of giant, fearless, super evolved, and technologically advanced ants over anything else on my side. All day. Every day.
it felt like an ex machina to me. very convenient that they fell in and also got stuck in a time loop and also remained loyal to HANK PYM of all people for all that time, loyal enough to be fighter drones in the final battle
The way kang was sucked into the power core, resembles Raman tut’s body damage. They also have the same face scars.
I think they returned to the Quantum Realm right after the moment they got sucked in. We know that you can choose a specific date and time to exit the Quantum Realm. The gate that Janet set up would likely have just gone to the moment they left so it was as if they didn’t miss anything.
exactly my thoughts only reason time passed for Janet and Scott before was that they came out at different point in time
smart!
Did you notice that Kang actually cried at the moment he took care of the rebellion? I think that I'm going to love this "villain" more than Thanos.
No, he cried bcoz they destroyed his tech and time travel platform and they failed his escape mission. And he lost something close to him we can feel his lost when everytime he talking.
Wait what??? Are you sure it wasn't his scars?
@@yuvarajyuvi1187 dont think so. i guess its because he knows he's going to do something terrible against these people but he must do it.
I saw the tear too. I love that movie
Was Tony's vision of death really for the war against Kang and Doom?
All the questions here are quite valid and I appreciate that Ryan took the time to address them... I'm a little disappointed that the movie didn't do much to make some things clearer. It feels like they were rushed to make the release date and had to do some heavy-handed editing. I'm really interested in seeing the deleted scenes when this comes out on BR. That said, I would much rather have a movie like this pushed back a couple weeks than to cut essential details for time.
Mehh he didn’t really answered them, they were more like cop out answers. But aye it’s more answers than the ones we getting from marvel it self which is non,
well its tough to squeeze in everything in a movie not unless its in a streaming series platform, but the movie dint seem confusing at all, pretty straight forward
Supposedly the problem came from marvel studios wanting black panther to have the most attention and quantumania was put on the back burner because it wasn't seen as important. According to VFX artists that worked on both movies anyway
@Kevin Morales man facts. bottom line I'm just disappointed that the hype wasn't suffice
He didn’t answer them all just ignored the question and diverted to personal opinion and theories
I believe it was Eric Voss from New Rockstars/Deep Dive, that theorized that The Conqueror is He Who Remains.
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes, The Conqueror is his Goat variant, focused, methodical, meticulous. Where as He Who Remains, when we meet him, is quirky, eccentric, a trickster, seeming free as the air around us. I believe it's because he's conquered everything. So therefore when he meets the Loki's, he's overjoyed with the promise of what can result from their meeting.
Let me just say how much I love Majors' performance for both these "variants," he's the reason I'm buying the whatever version of the ultimate bluray disc will be when it drops. I'm officially driving this bandwagon. I welcome a seat to anyone else here.
I did think the same after this movie finished, but from He Who Remains monologue of the history of the Kangs, there were more than 1 Kang who wanted to take out all the other universal Kang threats, and protect their own timeline. If Kang the Conqueror becomes He Who Remains, the mannerism differences from both characters could be explained by your reasoning above. Also, the scars. He Who Remains has no facial scars. You can always explain that away with there are no laws at the end of time, etc etc....
i keep thinking, that the Kang Dynasty and Council Mid Credits scene, is the reaction to after He Who Remains has died. Not Kang the Conqueror. If Sylvie can hide for presumably years, it would make sense that the Kang Dynasty could hide out from He Who Remains somewhere. Just a couple interesting points to bring up i thought.
I’ve always thought Victor Timely, HWR and Conqueror are the same person. As for the scars? He’d have so much access to amazing medical technology that a simple surgery could remove or hide them. Perhaps with help from The High Evolutionary. I think Kang and him have worked together before.
@@kbrewers Man, I like that theory. They definitely could be reacting to He Who Remains’ death.
Wasn't Ryan how did this video you mention?
@@kbrewers I get the allure of such a juicy twist, but no, I don't think that's consistent with what we know so far.
Sylvie was hidden from the TVA but HWR is beyond their dimension. He says he saw what happened on Lamentis, so presumably he saw her entire life, since that was the best hiding place she had. I don't think there's anywhere in the 4th dimension to hide from a 5th/6th dimensional being.
Also I don't think it would make sense for them to refer to HWR as, _"the exiled one",_ when he could leave at any time and Quantum Kang was literally said to have been exiled by the other variants.
Love the abstract thinking skills though, we need more theories!
Regarding how can they breathe: they aren’t exactly small anymore once they’re in the realm. Getting smaller is just a way to phase into this universe once you pass the “void” Janet talks about, everything is proportional
I never thought of it that way, but I like the theory. This could also be the reason why their baseline size matches with the rest of the Q.R.
Like the key hole
Can we just take a minute admire Jonathan Major’s acting ability! Kang and He Who Remains are the same yet different.
Yeah he's bloody good top shelf actor
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this already. At the very beginning of the movie Janet sees multiple streaks of falling 'debris'. She traveled to the one closest to her and encountered Kang and his chair. If the debris was actually showing his banishment, what (or who) do the other debris streaks represent, assuming they aren't other pieces of his chair?
i thought the same, could be something they threw in that you dismiss as debris but then later if they want they can use it for a plot point
They’re probably just there for the looks but I would say the in-universe explanation is that these are either parts of his chair (which is in pretty bad shape in this scene) or part of the environment that was around Kang when he got banished.
Kang’s “death” was exactly like the ending of Darren Cross in the first Ant-Man movie. Logically, Kang will come back stronger, just like darren becoming modok
Not necessarily - Kang made Darren into Modok when he was on the verge of death
@@BarneyMersich Since Kang has the ability to do this, maybe he can do it on his own. But personally, I think this is how the other Kangs start to exist, something this Kang don't know before. Definitely exciting.
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@ScreenCrush What bothered me the most is how at the beginning of the movie Hank turned a medium pizza into a large pizza but supposedly Pym particles only move the space between atoms, so wouldnt this enlarged medium pizza leave everybody hungry af, I mean the size changed but the mass is still that of a medium pizza?
When Scott went came back everything changed
i also thought that as well.
The already established that they don't care about their own rules, like when Hank had a Tank on his keychain in an earlier movie..
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Wondering what you think of New Rockstars’ theory that Scott actually is still stuck in the quantum realm, or some kind of quantum illusion. They point to a lot of things in the final scene that don’t make sense if Scott is back in the real world - - but make a lot of sense if he never left the QR.
Also, I’m now calling QR Codes “Quantum Realm” codes
Great theory as the one give away would be Kang purposely asking if he was the one with the hammer then eventually calling him Ant Man similar to the shoppe owner calling him the other bug guy then says thank you Ant Man the same way Kang called him Ant Man whereas before they entered the QR he thought he was Spiderman.
He is charged $12 for coffee but the prices are different on the board....
He's definitely in some other place.
@@vinny214 he recouped the free coffee
I think the timeline has changed and they didn’t show it. Something was off with the ending.
How to reconcile Janet's behavior at the end of AMatW with her behavior at the beginning of Quantumania was my biggest question coming out of this film. I've been thinking about it a lot, and here's something to consider: AMatW "happened before" the effects of Loki Season One. The multiverse didn't really exist when we saw Janet's behavior, and now it does. We don't really know how the effects of Loki Season One reverberated throughout the newly formed multiverse. For all we know, Janet's experience in the Quantum Realm was completely different before, and her experiences were then changed when Sylvie killed He That Remains. Maybe there's a different version of the post-credit AMatW scene that is now part of the canon, and we just haven't seen it, yet. Of course, I'm not sure how that squares with the teasing shot we saw of Kang's kingdom in a previous film...
No no, the multiverse existed even during Iron Man 1. It's just that we saw it's origin in Loki. Like time is a circle, the circle has branches but it all ends at the same point which give rise to the new beginning. I hope i was able to make sense to you😅
When they were preparing for Scott to go in, Janet was very specific about where to go and not go. Janet knew where Scott was going, was far enough away from the actual Realm.
How does aging works with Kang. He is essentially a normal dude that discovered time travel, but how is he able to keep himself from aging? Wouldn't he still age normally as he travels through time?
If Kang can invent time travel and then move through time and across multiple universes, I feel like it's not too much more to consider he also figured out a way to slow or stop his aging to perceptible immortality. Also, Hulk accidentally used the quantum realm to age and de-age Scott in Endgame, so there's some tangential evidence of age control possible. Basically, just insert "quantum" in front of whatever answer makes it work for you, lol.
Like stark device worked on not aging ant man it probably works for time to not pass "through " him
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Kang can harness Hulk's time tech
Let's say Kang did know almost everything that would happen. I'm thinking that he let it all play out that way bc he wanted Scott to overload the multiversal engine so he could get sent wherever he went. He had to escape this way bc he needed the Council of Kangs to think he was dead. That's my theory anyway.
See now, that makes sense. I was wondering the whole time. if the council is outside ,with such a precise form of scrutiny over the multi verses, Why wouldn't they notice Kang's escape, and plan for for it? But if Kang uses Ant-man, like you say, then he could cover his escape with his presumed death. Boi's a G😎
exactly
My theory, and its a slight of hand theory, is that the Council of Kangs were talking about He Who Remains, and not Kang the Conqueror.... After typing that, totally thought of the Ant Man Card Tricks.
@@kbrewers yea, i'm going off of the ,"see you soon..." comment. So i'm presuming ,this quantum realm trapped Kang is He who remains. And that Kang the conqueror must become Hwr.
If his claim is, it really is "inevitable" he wins the war. Then i'm assuming, Wherever this kang was shot off too, its were he gets Oliath to weaponize😏
@@toniwels8195 ya me too. I hope its the same kang, i know the scars are different. But the psychology mannerisms of a person can change if you have been isolated for all of time. And i think as a whole, it would bring this whole set of phases full circle. Much like Iron Man 1, and the end of End Game was a full loop on "I am Iron Man".
Those ants are terrifying. Hank Pym states that they are a “Type 2 Civilization” on the Kardashev scale, meaning they have to have a functioning Dyson sphere somewhere in the Quantum Realm
Isn’t that more advanced than us?
@@ked49 way way way more advanced then us if I recall correctly we are .7 on that scale
Pretty much 0 on the scale. Type 1 would harness the power of our solar system, type 2 harnesses the power of the galaxy. That quote in the movie is so overlooked it’s not even funny.
@@MrRedwingsfan16 for real! When I heard it i was like “wait what” that a huge thing your just gonna blow by
Its quite absurd that any civilization would need to do something so primitive as to surround the sun with metal lol.
The big question I haven't seen answered anywhere yet is if Kang's beams could disintegrate randos, why did they just stun the Ant Family in the final battle? Did the suits protect them? Did he use up all his power beforehand? Etc etc
Off-screen power up with ants' technology, probably
Hanks said the ants arrived well before and had lived long enough to develop a Type 2 civilization. ie: they were well past Star Trek level of technology. So yes, the suits could protect them.
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People CLEARLY have no idea what a plot hole is. Carrying a shrunken tank (that has the same mass as it did when full sized) on your keychain is a plot hole but Janet doing something you wouldn't is not.
Awesome clip. Just finished watching Loki Episode 6, which holds more weight after Quantumania
Same. That series gets better upon rewatch
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I think it would have made more sense if Janet didn't want to talk about Kang, if she had had a romantic relationship with him(instead of Krylar) and that's why she ended up finding out about him being a conquerer and what not.
She may have also slept with Kang and others down there.
It could have made more sense but since it's probably not a long time (definitely not a decade) and they were trying and pretty confident to escape, meanwhile with krylar it's would have been somewhere between 10 - 15 years and she had no hope of escaping
That wouldn't have worked cz we all know "Once you go black, you don't go back"
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@@redstoneninja3375 Oh
I think the mid credit scene is talking about he who remains. Killing Kang in the quantum realm doesn’t bring them closer to destroying the multiverse. But the lokis killing he who remains does because that disrupts the flow of time and is causing the incursions. All caused by Dr strange giving up the time stone so the avengers can learn time travel. Hence the MoM credit scene with Clea ( you caused an incursion )
I think you're right here. Makes sense
Oh this makes so much more sense!!!! Thank you!
I have been saying/thinking this a lot. The scene has the viewer assume they are talking about Kang the Conqueror, but if this Kang is not actually dead and just in another deeper part of the quantum realm/energy core, how would they know he is dead? In my head, its more compelling to have this diversion of thought, or 'sleight of hand' that they are actually speaking of He Who Remains, and these Kangs have been in hiding out somewhere where He Who Remains couldnt find them. Like Sylvie perhaps...
And lastly i think its an incredible thought exercise on when He Who Remains is killed, Time reverts back and whatever will or has happened, will happen and has already happened based on my unprofessional knowledge of time. lol... The TVA works between Time, therefore in Loki Season 2, when you see the sculptures of what looks to be Kang the Conqueror or another variant, once HWR is killed, whatever will happen has already happened. Sounds scatter brained, but so much fun to think about.
That actually doesnt make sense, because the reason the Sacred Timeline exists is that He Who Remains prunes off any timeline that leads to a Kang. The only multiverse he allows is one where no Kangs rule and can start a war. So in no way can a council of Kangs exist in the Sacred Timeline. The mere existence of it means this happens "after" the Loki series, although time happens all at once, so it affects the past and future as well.
"I made a machine to the Quantum realm "
Gets sucked into the machine
"Where are we ???"
Did it actually go to the quantum realm though? I thought it just mapped out the realm and gave a location for someone in it?
@@coreyburns4168 it was just a micro scope + radio basically so it let them look into it and send signals. This person's comment clearly missed the memo
It was a machine that sent a signal to the Quantum Realm, pay attention next time.
Janet was in the quantum realm putting in that work. You saw the way Kang looked at her....Krylar was not the only one.
For the question in 19:42 I think the reason Kang didn't use the tech he had to escape was because he didn't want to leave without the Multiversal engine core.
Thanks for explaining the Daren/ Yellowjacket/modok pym particle plot hole. Do you think there is a hard rule that pym particles (a shown chemical synthesis) can't be made within the quantum realm? Does modok have the ability to make more pym particles (albeit not 100% stable or usable)?
Brain damage, as for why Hank is the fourth smartest mcu character, and smartest in chemistry
I wondered how the telepath was able to read the mind of the robot solider guy to get the password to the, er, thing.
Reminded me of a scene in Babylon 5, probably series 1, where a telepath did the exact same thing to break someone out of a locked door - I think they asked the guard "what's the password?" and then killed them or choked them out because as soon as you ask someone about the password they think of it, even without saying it. Or something.
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As for how no time appeared to have passed when they left the Quantum Realm, I assumed it was because Janet configured Kang’s time traveling multiversal core to spit them out moments after they first got pulled into the Quantum Realm.
Time in the MCU keeps on passing, yet if they returned to the point at which they left, they would be travelling into the past of the MCU. It's been established that this is precisely what causes alternate timelines to spawn. Then that would mean that they are in an alternate timeline now which is a clone of the MCU, not the MCU.
@@the_actual_lauren not necessarily, time contorts.
@@the_actual_laurenThat wouldn't really be time travel. That's just returning to the same exact time they got sucked into the Quantum realm as if nothing really happened. Different timelines are only created if something in the past causes considerable change.
@@TheDemonCaine The point they came from turns into the past once any amount of time passes. For example, if you go into the QR at 5:00 PM, then allow 1 hour to pass in the MCU, then return to the MCU, you should theoretically return to 6:00 PM in the MCU. If the MCU is currently at 6:00 PM, then 5:00 PM becomes the past and you would be creating an alternate timeline by traveling there.
@@the_actual_lauren It seems as if no time passed though and an alternate timeline is only created if something in the past is significantly changed.
It looked like to me that Kang just went into a panic at the end when he had a chance to get out. That's why he ran for the portal. Just like one of those situations where someone is drowning and they panic and drown themself and the person trying to save them. Flight response.
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My biggest issue was the final fight between Scott and Kang. No idea why Scott didn't attempt a takedown. Punch, punch, punch, is ineffective....and cliche. Scott's training in the first movie was a combination of grappling and striking. If he wanted to beat a larger opponent, take it to the ground.
Question: is there multiple quantum realms? Like one per planet or just one big universe? How does that work?
Actually, this is still not really clear. Your question is most likely what Kang Dynasty and Secret Wats will end up properly answering. Almost everything we have seen till now suggests QR is actually the bedrock of all universes at the smallest level. If that's the actual route, then it would actually make the entire QR in the MCU consistent with real world quantum physics.
If each universe provides its own definition of space and time, it's only natural that the Quantum Realm, which is a place where space and time becomes irrelevant, is fundamentally the gateway to all universes. This is also the implication of the time travel tech Tony made in Endgame as well.
So far, I've gotten the impression there is one quantum realm reality with incomprehensible physics to which the entire multiverse is connected to
I actually explained this to my sister.
Draw a spider web or tree on a piece of white paper ( I use the comic version more)
Fold it in half but leave spec between the halves, the space between the sides is the quantum realm
Now to explain every hopping type
Fold the middle part of paper down bringing two points together, that is America’s version.
Fold the paper in half and poke a hole, that is quantum travel
Follow one line to two points, draw a faint line in an arch between them, that is a time loop. And Kamala’s bangle
And if you are drawing a web every intersect is an absolute point in time, unchangeable
@screencrush the question asked @10:00 is simply answered by the fact that the QR is not the one Scott has been in the previous movies
The one part that is confusing at the end we see Scott walking around confused about how different things are from before he battled Kang does that mean this isn't the same time-line or different
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I don’t know why any Marvel Comics fan would have a problem with Ant-Man beating Kang. You’re supposed to find it thrilling when the underdog hero puts up a fight and uses the villain’s own pride against him. As thousands of Marvel comics have shown… ANY character can beat ANY other character under the right circumstances. That’s part of what makes this movie awesome, not stupid. Damn.
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I do question a lot, but one thing I will add is that I believe Kang didn't hand over Cassie because he felt Scott wasn't honoring their agreement. He seemed willing at first but Scott repeatedly said no and that angered Kang who then frustratingly asks whether he'd have to take it from him (something along those lines).
I think at this point, he changed his mind on honoring the agreement because he felt Scott was not.
Scott was just supposed to shrink it. That is the bargain done. Kang did not honor it cause he wanted Cassie for something else
The problem with these setup movies like this is like this could have been a really cool six parts episode miniseries like they did with Hawkeye just as little like in between her thing. There was just too much the whole microverse the quantum realm all that stuff like needed more time to explain it it just would have been better if it was like a six part TV show episode because there's like these kind of movies are are set up for the whole Avengers thing right but I don't know feel like a 2-hour billion dollar movie should only really be the resort for you know the big flashy stuff not of this like small set of stuff like this was effectively a closet episode.
@@AfroMocha That, I do agree with. Much of what I even know, I know due to watching videos (like this) describing things on Kang.
My main concern with this storyline will be them losing people by not providing enough context in the movies.
It's awesome to have someone breakdown questions regarding this movie, it helps tremendously.
Kang let Scott win to trick the Dynasty into thinking he's dead, thus letting Kang roam the multiverse without his variant on his tail
Ooo
I love that about this plot: families do have a hard time communicating trauma, sometimes (and we as the audience want to find out Janet's truth as well).
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Why did Kang not freeze time during the "revolution" like he did with Janet earlier in the movie? He could've freezed giant Scott in time and kill him just like that, yet he sends his useless army. Why didn't he do it himself?
When Kang crashes in the Quantum Realm he is wearing "regular" clothes. After Janet and Kang fix the multiversal power core and insert it into Kangs ship he is able to access his "Kang suit" which implies that the suit is tied to or powered by the chair. Also, we would assume that before his banishement he wore the suit, and when his chair was damaged the suit was taken away, or he would have had it on when he crashed in the Quantum Realm. After finding out who Kang really is Janet takes the power core and the chair de-powers, but Kang gets to keep his suit and technology. The rules on how the suit works seem to be a bit inconsitant, except when its convenient to the plot.
You said it yourself, he wasn’t wearing the suit when crashing, meaning we can’t assume he wore the suit before the banishment, as you said, regular clothes when landing.
The suits connects per neural connection with Kang, but needed the core to make the connection.
So he used the core and got his suit on, connected to his neurals and then when the core is off it’s still the suit connected to his neurals.
Easy beasy. ✌️
But honestly man, it’s sci fi, don’t dig too much 😂
or he could have the suit on anytime he wants he just chooses not to wear it at times
Inconsistent? Recent marvel plots? Never!
Good point
So you make up something, and when it turns out to be wrong its a plot hole? 🤔
9:33 Also the tech they used could've changed the way they exit the QR. In Endgame they specifically wanted to exit the QR in different times so they built a machine that would allow them to traverse that. Once they built a machine to retrieve particles to help Ghost they would want to avoid him returning to a different time so the tech would be made to let him return at the right time. Therefore avoiding the consequence of time traveling.
I just hope the recent news of their restructuring the release schedule means at least *some of the high quality visual effects will return to the series
It's crazy that sometimes we forget that Janet IS the Wasp... I hear a lot people saying "It's only called Ant-man and the Wasp because of the previous movie, Evangeline Lily almost doesn't do anything", but Hope Van Dyne actually only exist in an alternate reality on Marvel comics and she is a villain. The fact that Janet Van Dyne is responsible for the rise of Kang is big and kind fitting, giving that originally Hank Pym was responsible for Ultron, and the Pym/Van Dyne couple are the founders of the Avengers in the comics and in the movies they're not as important because A: The Infamous domestic abuse story in the comics B: Marvel didn't believed in the potential of female superheroes onscreen back in 2008 and C: Edgard Wright really wanted to do a heist movie with Scott.
13:20 They were following Scott and Cassie, Genthora even said “you brought him here” 🎉
14:03 SCHRÖDINGERS CAT, damn it Kang is SCHRÖDINGERS CAT what don’t they understand ? 😂 not alive and not dead since we don’t know 🎉
16:12 That’s so obviously bluffed, right after Scott is bluffing with calling the avengers, he just knew he didn’t and he knew avengers. Like Ryan said he calls him ant man any way.
21:54 here’s even a quick scene where the core and the machine gets dragged to the side and shuts half off/is damaged
We might not know whether Kang is dead, but, just like the cat, Kang does. It would be silly, and rather unfortunate for cats, if they could be both alive and dead until somebody noticed.
@@shtarpark7938 lmao, that’s a concept dude, the cat cannot observe itself, in this case meaning Kang sure knows about his status, but WE, the observing ones don’t.
@@shtarpark7938 seems like you didn’t understand the concept,
In general the cat is dead or alive since we don’t know until we look inside the box.
@@_TheViewer_ Yes, the cat can observe itself, it's a cat. It's an imaginary cat, obviously, because it's in a thought experiment, but the point of the thought experiment wasn't what you think it was.
@@_TheViewer_ Also, if you try to think about what you mean when you say the cat is dead or alive 'in general', it might lead you to why the imaginary cat was put in the imaginary box in the first place.
Thanks for addressing my question @17:26. Much appreciated!
I totally think pride got the better of Kang. He could have just left, but hubris is often the downfall of powerful men who are accustomed to ruling over others and winning everything they attempt. I think Scott winning (or Kang losing) in the end was foreshadowed by the name of Scott’s book, Look Out For The Little Guy. Someone as powerful as Kang would tend to underestimate someone like Scott. The victory of the underdog is a tale as old as time. It really should not be a surprise. Also,this is a comic book movie. KANG IS NOT DEAD!
Nah bro, Its not hubris,do you really think that the writer thought so deep about this scene??? It was just carelesness
Why did the Ants stop attacking Kang, and suddenly disappear when Scott needed help fighting Kang?
This is similar to the aqua Na'avi tribe disappearing during the climax of Avatar 2, which also makes no sense.
Just hilarious how these nerds find logic in actual loop holes by Marvel… I mean, even Kevin Feige might not have these sorted 😂
This is great. I'm not sure we will ever see THIS Kang again. He may very well be dead. I suspect every time we see Kang its a different Variant. I have to imagine the end of the Kang Dynasty means that the Avengers somehow stop all Kang variants ... perhaps by causing Kang to never exist in any timeline.
Kang didnt died at the end of the movie he went into another Micro-verse to where when it comes back he'll probably be the beyonder for Avengers 5 and also what do you think about this kang the conqueror or the variant in the post credit scene might end up being an early version of He Who Remains that died at the end of Loki season 1?
I would say Kang evolves into kang prime
Kang went out like Jafar in the lamp. Phenomenal cosmic power itty bitty living space.
Love this part of a new phase, you know by phase 6 all these questions would've been answered then another load needing to be answered
People need to remember that phase 1 & 2 left questions unanswered for phase 3. Also, I like quantumania as a great start of phase 5
Two best comments i seen in a while💯🧡🙏
@@konstantinosp-a6447 exactly! this is why marvel films are so good, you don't just get the films but all the breakdowns and theory vidoes on top
@@klydejohnson7520 👍👍👍
@@REDDEVIL9269 what do you think of quantumania
Don't know if this was mentioned below, but are those blue rings from Kang's city/ship related to the blue rings in "Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings"? We know Wong said they were not from Earth and Captain Marvel said they were not from any tech she recognized?
How did the council of Kangs know that the exiled quantum Kang had died? They seemed pretty confident about it. Can they be mistaken?
What if MODOK faked his death and secretly worked for the Council of Kangs?
The high five with the dog is a highlight of every video for me, it finishes me🤣
What are the chances that Kang got shrunk down into a sub-level perhaps previously unknown or accessed? If that engine was needed as a catalyst to get there, even if by accident, what’s the chances that anybody else has been down further?
My question is, has all of this happened before? After all we are in a massive time loop, correct? or are we in a phase of the multiverse history that is unpredictable due to the branching time lines? He who remains sounded VERY confident that he would just eventually end up right back at the TVA after Sylvie and Loki killed him. Once the multiverse started to branch though, he who remains didn’t know what happens next. He passed “the threshold”. He did still however seem to know he would end up right back where he was at the TVA? Ryan help me!
The threshold was when his control ends and when he died previously. Like how he avoided every attack prior
i like that kang makes the same mistake he made with jennet but this time becuase he thought scott would ruin it like before
What about how Kang was vaporizing folks with his blue beams and once Scott got there, he took a direct hit and wasn't vaporized? I don't remember getting any info about his suit offering any type of protection.
Pym Particles?
Bigger Molecules
I assumed the reason they where able to go back to the time and place they left was because Janet put in those coordinates from Kang’s ship.
Unanswered questions aren't plot holes.
Ummm? That's actually exactly what they are. Lol
Ok
And*
He says plot holes and unanswered questions. The ‘and’ being the relevant part.
Yes and no, depends on the question.
I wonder if Janet created the 10 rings to ensure a safety net against kang in the future...and somehow got them out some way ..the ring gives the holder a portion of inner power that can be considered good or evil depending on the wielder. Or the weapon can be a safety net given by a future or past kang.
you guys are REALLY milking this ant, arent ya?
Let us enjoy this amazing milk
@@Milan_nmg its your right buddy, nothing against that
Can say that about any TH-cam content creator lol
I also expect the logic from the comics to apply in the MCU. When Ant-Man and his friends went deep enough into the Quantum Realm they truly went into another universe. Shrinking is just a tool to travel the multiverse and they may or may not have been normal size at that point.
I don't think Kang killed previous Avengers in a one-on-one fistfight, for people like Thor, Captain Marvel, and Doctor Strange, he probably used Alioth to completely erase their timelines from a safe distance.
8:15 It could be that it happens because of getting bigger (whenever they hit the button), no matter how big you are
Honestly once you deal with the idea of endless realms, time travel, time is a circle, unlimited copies of yourself, nothing is permanent and therefore nothing has value. There is nothing at risk here. Not to mention now you have to deal with endless plot holes describing time travel or parallel universes and retconning what was said in a movie 10 years ago. Marvel really put themselves in a grinder here and the payoff is for a plot that is now insignificant.
Towards the end when they all came back from quantum realm they actually didnt go back to their own timeline. They all travelled to a totally different timeline. Noticed how all of a sudden the old bartender guy suddenly asked him for a payment when all along Scott was never charged for his coffee. And some people on the street looks at him differently.
Just my observation
video explainer like this made me love Ryan Arrey and ScreenCrush so much. really helps
Fantastic Video! You covered just about everything. People tend to forget that characters have different emotions that drive their choices; affected by their personalities. There are logical choices characters can make, but that "logic" is most clear in hindsight and in third person. Great job explaining all of this and I'm sure it will help those who may have misunderstood this film. Personally, I think it's great.
3:27 yo that transition was so smooth into a Ad 😮
Good on you man for helping with the details that people missed out on (Or possibly ignored to spin a narrative, but anyway). I appreciate this video, well done!
"why did Kang die, isn't he supposed to be strong?"
After watching this movie and the Loki series (spoiler alert ), I feel like I'm starting to get a grasp on the power level of the Kang variants. The Kang in Quantumania speaks almost in the same cadance as Victor Timely, and also has a lottt of vigor and fighting spirit compared to He Who Remains (who in contrast is more "chill" to talk to, and is very tired of his unending existence)
So my guess is this:
Victor Timely: is the starting point of Kang/ weakest of all variants.
Quantumania Kang the Conqueror: is a young variant who is only on his way to gaining overwhelming knowledge and power.
He Who Remains: is the strongest/ sole survivor of the Multiversal War (more wise and has greater control on his power. We didn't see his full power on display, but the fact he had to "end" himself cuz he just won't die, speaks volumes)
So yea, that's my theory as to why Ant-man Kang seems "weak" to us watchers : D
2:45 the knew that if she earned the world about the future threat coming, there would be vast consequences possibly tva or a kang attack from council of kangs
None of these explanations come close to "filling" these plot holes. But I appreciate that attempt to try to answer them.
People are misunderstanding the 5 year/5 min thing...
Scott was in the QR for what felt like 5 mins, but it was 5 years after entering that he is pulled out... Janet was in the QR for years, hence aging because she was pulled out of the QR 30 years later (real time)...
time wont mean anything (because it is only relative), but the body will still age...
PHENOMENAL transitioning into sponsor’s advertisement!! They should give you a bonus for that! Shed beautiful light on what trauma can do to people.
Solid vid Ryan! Many other TH-camrs are slamming this flick, but you have single handedly motivated me to give it a try!
My question is why did kang stop Scott from leaving through the portal because technically they needed his Powercore to power of the portal to go back home so all he had to do was let them go and they would’ve left the power cord behind and he still would’ve gotten what he wanted, which is being able to leave cause his chair is still there as well
He needed to be sucked into the times storm, to gain the power of knowledge
Is it just me but looking at when Kang was attacking Scott after escaping the ant stampede, we get a quick look of his damaged suit. His bracer on his left arm is very reminiscent of Kamala Khan's bangle. Could her bangle be a part of Kang's battle suit?
0:00 That's a fine masterclass of acting right there
@shivammohanial1332 Bro! They do not show Kang dying at all... Therefore he could be alive somewhere. Yes the post credit scene show lots of kangs but this Kang was part of council for having different ideas
So I think the Kang we met in the qr is he who remains and wherever he gets sent w the multiversal engine will cause him to meet alioth, starting the process all over again
Some of these plot holes would require too much exposition dumps, killing pacing. Like the reason kang had his chair.
Cuz the writers both need to have the master of space and time trapped in the Quantum Realm, and also have a way for him to escape.
Ironically the film was rewritten so that he *died* so the plot doesn’t logically require the chair.
This is an example of a story that was not thought through to begin with and then got rewritten and re-re written.
It’s just so obviously bad, that it’s funny to listen to anyone defending it.
You might as well be defending Cat Woman…..or “Cats” the movie. Lol
My confusion is how, if they're all trapped in the quantum realm and if it takes Pym particles to move back and forth, Modoc was able to reach up into our universe (from a device that was turned off btw) and kidnap the heroes to begin with?
The best explanation for kang losing to Scott and the ant Fam is because he actually forgot scott isn’t the original Ant Man. It was hank. In the scene he screamed “all you do is talk to ants” and hank showed up it’s corny but I think they will play on to this with the young avengers team later on
I think the telekinetic powers would have been better explained if they were confined to the prison, so having collar or something would explain more. But it felt like it was confined to the prison
Ryan, great video as always. Totally unrelated but something I’ve wondered for a long time now is if the movie wall behind you and Doug is fake? Sometimes it looks like a big print out but other times I’m not so sure. Can you settle this for me once and for all? Thanks!
I think the time vortex is the reason Scott was in the QR for 5 minutes, but years went by above, during IW and Endgame. The time they spent in the QR in this movie, didn't cause a time jump above, right?
You segued into and ad so seamlessly you caught me off guard. I usually see them coming. Nice job.
Bill Murray was comedic gold in this film. He is still so good... "Boys, NOW!" and, "Janet Van Dyne, I thought you were DEAD."
I keep seeing people complaining about how easily super ants and Antman defeated Kang. My understanding is that the counsel of Kangs trapped this Kang in the quantum realm to prevent him from using his miltiverse/time travel technology. So the fact Kang was so strong with only a fraction of his power proves how big of a threat he could be.