HD-DVDs are stupid and so am I because I bought some
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 เม.ย. 2024
- I made one of the stupidest purchases in a long time, I bought an HD DVD Drive and I decided to test it on my Macs. I'm back with a 3rd installment of what I'll call macOS and defunct media, this time with HD-DVD, a failed media format that tried to be successor to DVD. A lot of reading went into this one.
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Two corrections:
I slightly misspoke and said USB A when I meant B for the cabling. I took the Xbox 360 drive and connected to a 360 so at least two more of the movies are playable. The extra features on Bourne Ultimatum glitched out though , will post a boring update on Patreon as extended content.
The only advantages HD DVD had over Blu Ray was that they were region free, and the interactive menu’s were better.
The disc rot issue is almost exclusively on Warner Bros discs (3 out of the 4 bad discs you have are all WB), they’re lucky the format died when it did. If it had been successful they would probably be facing a massive lawsuit.
That’s true. I wish Blu-rays were region free.
The issue also plagued their DVDs produced during that time. I'm surprised they haven't faced a lawsuit over it.
The USB ports on the back of the HD-DVD drive are because the original X360 only had one USB port on the back intended for the wireless adapter. Since you would be plugging the HD-DVD drive in to that port, Microsoft gave a hub for you to be able to connect the wireless adapter and mount it to the back of the HD-DVD drive, and one bonus extra USB port!
The installation disc was necessary for original X360 units to install support for the HD-DVD player if you were on an outdated version of the X360. Remember that broadband wasn't even widely available at this time so plenty of X360's were out there that hadn't even connected to the internet.
Came here to say this, the weird rectangle with the two holes actually is identical to the back of the original 360, allowing the USB wi-fi to click into the hd-dvd drive just like the console. I still have this setup in my bedroom back at my parents house hooked up to the tv, hd DVD and all!
I worked at Circuit City during this format war. Consumers that were willing to outlay $500 for a player much preferred HD-DVD for one simple reason. The Blu-ray players of the timeframe were clunky and slow compared to the HD-DVD players when it came to menu navigation. We timed it one evening while closing on the store; it took over 6 minutes to get past the unskippable previews, FBI warnings, and Sony ads to get to the actual movie compared to roughly 15 seconds on the HD-DVD player that let you hit skip on literally everything. In addition, for some reason all the Blu-ray players had horrible button lag, roughly .5-.75 seconds from when you would hit a button until you saw your input cause a response on screen. We talked to the Sony rep and he said that it was because of all of the protections that were put on the format. We were actually shocked when Blu-ray won.
This is interesting as I’d gone post optical besides CDs by this point so I’d tuned out of the format war beyond the basics. I eventually got a ps3 in 2008 but never bought a single blu ray movie disc.
I loved HD DVD back around 2009 or 2010. After the format failed, these things were available for pennies and I was a broke teenager. I managed to get my hands on a boxed 360 HD DVD player for something like $55 (this came with the media remote which was just in general useful and a $20 value and King Kong). When I said they were pennies? That was an overstatement, because they were going for literally $0.01. So I could get a stack of movies at a penny a piece and then the couple of dollars to ship the lot. I didn't have any streaming services at the time and couldn't afford another console or blu-ray player, so this ended up being my primary way to view HD content back then. The disc rot problem was a big issue even back then though. I had to return more a few copies because they were DOA.
Yeah, sounds like that perhaps it’s more of badly created discs from a particular factory than the entire format based on comments like this.
i rarely see anyone with a dedicated hddvd player, it's almost always the xbox 360 add-on.
I saw a few for sale online, but I think the HD-DVD drive waaaaay outsold the others.
I think the HD-DVD addon was used to crack the 360 as well hence its popularity?
I loved the HD-DVD format and I bought a standalone player - but then I was one of those who bought a laser disc player and a bunch of laser disc movies. I still have my HD-DVD player and movies along with my blu-ray collection.
I own the LG BH200 but the remote died. I recently ordered a replacement from China on ebay. I have an HDEX1 sitting in the closet ,Gotta pull it out one day and see if it still works🤣.
The format itself is not more prone to disc rot - WARNER BROTHERS is the big culprit here. Every WB HD-DVD I have ever owned has died of the rot. Universal and Paramount disks rarely had problems.
Good to know.
Any disc made by Cinram of Pennsylvania will rot. Both HD-DVD as well as standard DVD’s of the same period. Damn Fool Idealistic Crusade has a pretty long list of failed DVD’s. WB might replace those of yours that failed if they are still in production. Check out his channel for more info. HD-DVD’s are not eligible as WB offered their Red2Blu campaign shortly after the end of the format.
Also those Microsoft HD-DVD drives are prone to have their lone capacitor fail preventing the drive from working unless you replace it. An easy fix but many simply thought it was dead and tossed them. If you can’t see the drive but CAN see the HD-DVD memory units in device manager, that’s a sure sign the capacitor failed. It’s an odd value but available on Amazon.
I've seen the Warner HD DVD problem on many TH-cam reviews. Could also happen with blu-ray though Its not that common. Out ogf the 800+ blu-ray in my collection I've only ever had 1 stop working. A Universal music blu-ray made in the EU that became unreadable.
I was a huge HD-DVD fan when I had a 360. I recently sold all my Warner Bros. HD-DVDs as for covers and cases for a few bucks. The format is such a joke today. Great video.
I have a 5½" PC internal HD-DVD/Bluray reader & Bluray writer. My way of hedging my bet at the time. I still have a couple of HD-DVD movies around.
The problem was that at the time broadband started to be rolled out, and high speed high seas travel became available.
And now it's a collectors item. Heard the drives go bad much quicker than other models.
@@Vekstar I may have to dig it out at some point and see if it works. I rarely touch optical media these days. Except the odd music CD when I can't find a good online purchase option. Even then, they get ripped & stored away. It's a shame in some ways, there is something nice about having the tactile experience as well as the audio & video.
@@foznoth I went hog wild around 2019 buying HD DVD movies and players off ebay sellers. I had never dealt with the format when it was fresh.
I actually bought 2 HD-DVDs from a Goodwill near my work late last year. I know one of the titles was "Darkman", but I can't remember the second one. It just amused me to have them.
I do kind of wish I had bought a player when they were on clearance, just to have one for what I understand was excellent upconversion of standard DVDs. Plus it could live in the basement with my 2 LD/DVD players I keep, "just in case". Like, just in case I want to watch my few remaining laserdiscs.
Edit- Pitch Black was the second title. Don't know how I forgot that.
I did a high school presentation on this format war when it was happening I called it for blu ray because it was just far technologically better.
I had to do a similar thing except I chose HD-DVD for the winner because I figured it would be a cheaper conversion for existing companies to upgrade their DVD making facilities. I don’t think I factored in Sony adding a Blu-ray player to the latest PlayStation though. I even bought the HD-DVD player for the Xbox lol how wrong was I! 😅
Best format doesn’t always equate to a win, see Betamax (although technology connections has a good video showing the short comings of it). Worth a watch.
I did the same, but while working on my Graduate Degree. With the same conclusion! Lol.
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Blu-ray was overall the better format though. Not that it was what contributed to it winning.
That IS an absolute unit.
What a weird format…
The memory storage was for downloading content from the web like the old BD-Live system in Blu-Ray which seems to have been abandoned as well.
Shriek 3 HDDVD had some cool mini games for example.
I think blu-ray still is a major distribution format. I keep a blu ray burner of course too but all my major Hollywood movies are blu rays or DVDs. Physical media rules when you can get them at the library or shipped to you.
I got one several years ago, for my own 360. It actually had to download the HD-DVD player software, which it did automatically when I connected the thing, and after that it would autolaunch the player upon inserting a videodisc, just as if it was a part of the console. The install disc probably took care of systems not connected to the internet. It was only the mid-2000s, after all, so broadband wasn't universal enough to be the default expectation. The 360 can also play standard DVDs through that drive.
Picture quality's very clean, and I'm overall very happy with it and the discs I got for it!
Beautiful scenery and an interesting topic!
Thanks! I enjoy hiking so I try and mix hobbies.
I remember consumer video software for Windows in the mid-2000s advertised burning HD DVDs on regular DVD media. I never used it though because I never had an HD DVD player. Also, triple-layer HD DVDs had 1 GB more than a dual-layer Blu-ray disc. What were they going to do with that extra gigabyte? HD video is large enough that you could probably fit in only a few minutes extra compared to 50 GB Blu-ray!
(Not very) fun fact - HD-DVD supported H.264, MPEG2 and VC-1 encoding - the same as Blu-Ray - when studios stopped propping up HD-DVD and started releasing Blu-Rays, they literally used the same video encodes they made for HD-DVD.
MacOS did actually support HD-DVD at one point, but my understanding is that it never supported commercial discs, only burned ones. I definitely recall seeing 'HD-DVD' listed in the DVD player app on older versions of Mac OS X.
The built in USB storage is accessible in Windows if you force a USB mass storage driver install for the device - Microsoft intentionally changed the USB device descriptor to stop the storage appearing as USB storage and stop people wiping the contents as the HD-DVD player software is on this partition and seemingly can't be re-installed - ask me how I know this...
MakeMKV can also 'stream' discs without ripping them if you just want to play the content instead of ripping it.
EDIT: Changed to reflect that HD-DVD did also support H.264 (I thought it didn't!) as per @ArguingMeadows comment.
HD-DVD also supported H.264, though not many titles used it (Weinstein Company titles were some of the major ones to use the codec, Feast, Clerks II). In fact, at the beginning of both formats, HD-DVD often had better looking encodes because most of the studios stuck to MPEG-2 on Blu-ray while HD-DVD had more advanced VC-1 encodes (see a lot of early Paramount titles, Aeon Flux, Flag Of Our Fathers)
@@ArguingMeadows Mandela effect! Haha. Seriously though, I’m sure HD-DVD didn’t support H.264… ah well, today I learned!
😂 you make me want to go to Amoeba music store to get this failed format and start my unnecessary collection 😂❤
I love your "documentary" style, I love the scenary
Thanks for the past year or so I really wanted to mix up my film locations as I like getting out in the world. Not sure if you saw the blu ray or super drive videos but they are very much the same.
its really unique, right? def TH-cam tourism+ some real good breakdowns.
I still have my hd-dvd player that connected to the 360 and still have the movies. Mainly because no one we take them.
You’ll just have to get a Toshiba HD-DVD player and connect it to your TV if you want to run the format. Computer playback isn’t much of an option.
I’d recommend HD-DVD since you can watch high-definition films for dirt cheap if you haven’t got them Blu-ray or available elsewhere that is, but watch out for Warner Brothers disc rot.
But beware, it is a completely dead format so no support, parts, software, help of any kind is available. If anything on it dies, it’s dead. Interesting little bit of history though.
0:42 This issue literally lingers in the back of my mind. Thanks for the insanity confirmation!
Wow, that was an Xbox 360 accessory to compete with the PS3! So cool!
Media Player Classic - Home Cinema is THE video player in Windows nowadays, I’d be surprised if it didn’t play HD-DVDs.
Fun fact for you: this unit probably doesn’t support full USB-A in because USB-A was designed specifically for host-to-client connections, USB-A being the host and USB-B being the client. They could have used the full square USB-B used most often for printers, though. The mini and micro USB we know them as are actually USB-B as well, and yes, USB-A has its own small counterparts. USB-A to USB-A cables are not made and should never be made. USB-C has no such limitation by the way.
The toshiba P200 had a HD-DVD drive built into some models. there was playback software included on those machines. im sure there would be a way to use that software.
I'm glad you did this video. I knew a lot of what you said, but I didn't know about playback issues. I also didn't know they were experiencing bit-rot! Are they delaminating or something? Glad Blu-ray took off based on this knowledge.
A lot of viewers have said that it's actually poorly manufactured discs by one plant specifically that Warner Bros used, so it's not true disc rot. Wish I'd known that before the video but everyone on Reddit called it bit rot and so did a random blog post on the topic.
@@dmug Yeah, that sucks! I've been in the same boat before when the information is somewhat accurate, but not actually descriptive of the actual issue.
It's like how everyone thinks OLEDs burn-in (like CRTs and Plasmas), but they actually burn-out. Once you understand that, it changes how you use them because the TV or monitor is going to eventually normalize voltages across the whole panel so you never notice any "burn-out".
If it burned-in, like a CRT, then it's permanent, and there's nothing the panel can do to fix it. But burn-in is fixable by never showing the same thing for too long. Burn-out is actually accelerated by having stuff on the screen.
There are a handful of movies which you can ONLY get a physical hi-def version copy of on HD-DVD.
Yeah, so it looks it might be make mkv not arching it
I love failed formats so much
Tell me about it. I have been contemplating getting a Betamax VCR and movies. Most of the ones listed on ebay say for parts only 🤣. I have enough laserdiscs and HD DVD movies and players.
I used to have an HD-A3 that I bought mainly because it was an outstanding upscaler. I tried out the player and the few HD-DVDs I bought a couple of years ago. I'd bought the one that shipped with a copy of 300, and that one didn't work. King Kong? Didn't work. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix? The DVD side still worked. The only one that still worked was 2001, and even then it was a bit bloopy. Blu-Ray otoh has that awesome coating that makes it more robust. Ultimately neither format really won imho, which makes me sad, because for some movies I like having a box I can pull off the shelf and put it in the player instead of relying on a streamer retaining the rights to a movie.
I came across a fancy Windows 7 Media Center Toshiba laptop from around that time that has an HD-DVD drive in it. Bought it because of that, to own a piece of physical media history. Also bought one of these X360 attachments cheap. I think they're kind of nice to have in the collection. Not all inferior tech is uninteresting.
i remember my buying an HD DVD Player back in the day it was like a multidisc player too like 3 or something like that. it eventually stopped reading discs or so we thought turns out that were able watch not so legal DVDs. so bootleg would work but not actual DVDs from the store still baffles me
I don't think this is the issue but HD-DVD had this wonderful headache where many players required firmware updates for newer HD-DVDs as they updated the copy protection.
The problem with HD-DVD is that there were manufacturing defects that are responsible for disc rot
Yeah a lot of people have mentioned that, wish I knew that going in
It’s WB discs.
And it’s well documented.
It was NOT just hd dvd it was also a huge lot of DVDs printed by WB from roughly 2002-2009 arguably the most collectible time periods.
I actually got one such drive (making sure it came with cables) for my own 360 several years ago. It automatically downloaded the HD-DVD player app, which was not preloaded, and after that it can autolaunch whenever a videodisc is inserted (yes, even standard DVDs). That install disc may have been for systems that couldn't download it online.
Nice Video. You deserve wayy more subscribers.
Disk rotted disks with less space then its competitor, that you put into a bulky optical drive needing it's own power supply, which only worked if you attached it to a console that was prone to failing with red lights within the first year of purchase.
While I didn’t have hd dvd back in the day, I had an Xbox 360 that red ringed and so did everyone else basically. I just tossed it and gave my games to my brother.
Take a shot every time he says HD DVD. We almost died last night.
Lmao
I bought an Xbox hd dvd from fry’s for $30 back in 2008/2009 along with a handful of movies for $5 each. Even though it had already lost the format war, it was a win for me. I’ve to this day have never owned a Blu-ray player. Also, still have those movies, player and my 360. I wonder if it all still works.
I miss Fry's 😢
When I bought my first Blu-ray player all my friends told me it will be dead because Microsoft and Intel promoted HD DVD...
Sadly movie studios were exclusive on one or the other format. That was the most annoying.
Also the first Blu-ray players were slow as all code was in Java. Sure it's compiled but the JREs back in time for that kind of CPUs weren't performant...
really good quality, you don't include a lot of the annoying stuff I see in other videos.
Thanks, I try to cut out the parts of youtube I don't like, "Like", "Subscribe", "I see most of you aren't subscribers", introducing myself, asking my audience to comment unless it's about missing info, logo and such.
I agree with your assessment of HD-DVDs I have a Toshiba player and around 20 movies. I had a LG drive that could read both blu-ray and HD-DVD. Recently I tried to convert the HD-DVD to MKV but I found many failed to convert. I can't even sell them on ebay.
It’s a good way to get dirt cheap HD films but yeah, it’s completely dead as a format and wouldn’t expect to recuperate whatever cost was spent. You’re lumped with it forever.
I like how this is "almost" an April Fools video 😂
I almost posted on the 1st but I didn't want people to think it was going to be an "April 1st" video months later.
I was at Value Village some weeks ago, saw Transformers for HD-DVD, thought "Oh, sweet. That means it looks a smidge better," tried to watch it today on my Blu-Ray player (on an Xbox One), and learned that I wasted my money, especially considering that there are other HD DVDs in my collection.
Did you try Toast Titanium? A copy a version 9 lists HD DVD support via plug in.
Pretty sure you can burn hd dvd data disks did it support video? If so id assume its not for playback, just burning a video disk
My Dad and me bought in hard like half way through the format war. We got like 5 free HD-DVDs with our standalone player, Xbox 360 Drive, and as an in store promo with an internal combo HD-DVD/Blu-ray drive at Fry’s Electronics, where we also bought a bunch post war, so I’m out here with like 45 HD-DVDs. My favorite HD-DVD fun fact: the HD rerelease of Star Trek TOS in the big dumb plastic case came as HD-DVD combo for season 1 then the format died and they released seasons 2 & 3 in matching cases just on DVD.
Any issues with bad discs? Sounds like from comments it was either one foundry or just one studio’s discs (Warner bros).
I also picked up an Hd dvd drive about 2 years ago. Its fun to go to pawn shops and find the hidden gem HD DVDs for a 1 cause no one wants them. Also a watch the xbox on my 34 inch sony wega widescreen!
"Posix error" is a communication error between the drive and the computer. Extremely common issue with Macs for whatever reason. When you do encounter it on a PC it's usually due to a lack of power for the external drive.
I have a Toshiba HD-A3 player, they were one of the players sold here in the US. I bought it second hand for $30 and it still works. There is basically no difference in picture quality or sound between HD-DVD and Blu Ray as far as I can tell. I also think the disc rot issue is exaggerated. I have very few discs that will not play in the player.
Early Blu-ray releases from Lionsgate, with "silver swirl" cover art, suffer from disc rot. Or at least enough copies to be notable.
7:42 It's no longer needed. I bought one of those drives many many years ago and it didn't even come with that disc. I mostly used it to rip hd dvds to my pc, but I did try with an honest to goodness xbox 360 once. It worked just fine. This was in either 2018 or 2019.
Were the non-working discs Warners? Because yeah, most of their discs are unusable these days.
And... there ARE a couple of on-disc games. 300 has one.
Oh yeah, I bought a hybrid HD DVD and Bluray player last month! Cost me ten bucks. It hates Blurays but it played back my HD discs just fine. And yes I have a bunch. And the Xbox 360 drive. And the laptop drive. I'm weird. XD
I’ll have to check but that time warner tid bit is interesting.
I can’t say anything, about useless tech considering I’ve bought a super drive, blu ray drive (although I returned it) and hd dvd drive in the past few months out of curiosity.
You not the only one. I have a HD DVD drive in a laptop. Got the drive off ebay seller and it came with that copy of Cyberlink That has the software for HD DVD. I treat that like gold🤣. Have a PC with Bluray/HD DVD combo player. ANd of course the Xbox 360/HD DVD player.
so the drive has some sort of ? bios that controls the internal memory? is there anyway to access that?
According to the other comments, the internal memory could be used to download very simple games with a few movies. I'm guessing Linux probably could get at it but I wasn't determined enough to see what I could do with it in Mint Linux.
I still have about 4 sealed copies of hd-dvd's. I got mine from gamestop when it was discontinued for $50. And, it came with 6 free movies as well.
Keep it safe because at some point they will be very expensive just like some sealed vhs.
A respectful debate: Because you had a Xbox HD DVD player that made noises, should only mean that THAT player had issues, and one shouldn't be critical of all players. Quality of the player and how the owner takes care of it is important. I've had a LG BH200 for 15 years now and it keeps playing with no issues. PROs: it plays DVD, HD DVD and Blu-ray regions A/B/C, and my eyeballs are convinced it renders all formats more sharp/better colors; CONs: LG stopped supporting firmware updates in 2014 and only recently it is unable to play some BDs released since 2020. Being region free is a BIG deal just as it is for the same reason that 4K discs are also (except for the very few that were locked). Disc Rot: mostly involves the HD DVD discs by WB which were released 2006-2008. Anyone owning a WB DVD released 2006-2009 (supposedly from a factory in PA) are having the same issue. So, it may not be a problem with the format, but the quality control of WB products. I currently have 48 HD DVD discs and a WB one recently crashed & burned (not the first). As they fail (if) I replace them with a Blu Ray copy. Personally, I like the HD DVD format (just as I liked my Betamax and Commodore Amiga 500 😢).
I always wanted an Amiga,but never got one.
This is awesome ❤
On the contrary. I have both, HD-DVD player (Toshiba) and Blu-ray player (Sony). The colors and tints are brighter and more vivid on HD-DVD, and audio is clearly better, more Home Theater-like on HD-DVD. And that's without an AV receiver. HD-DVD is more prone to scratching though. Warner Bros does have poor quality control, some movies skip or freeze up. Paramount movies are excellent. Played "Top Gun" on HD-DVD countless times, to this day. No problems, and I bought that movie used.
Just be careful not to scratch the disc because they are not as sturdy as the Blu-ray disc. As, for the scratch removal devices, too.😢 Yes, I used and also ripped the HD DVD and play them also. I have the Xbox 360 drive and a player and a PC dual Blu-ray and HD DVD.
I quite liked the red boxes.
I remenber this like it was 3 years ago. I use to rent them and they would always skip thats what i didnt care about it plus the sound was always converted to pcm sound from dolby true hd and dolby digital plus.
I collect HD, i think they look pretty good. I predict at some point they will be very expensive.
I connected an old Toshiba DVD player to my monitor, the 1080i upscaler is not that bad, I buy 1€ DVDs at my local thrift store
At the time I assumed HD DVD would win out because of the name alone. I mean, what the heck is a 'blu ray'?
To be fair, I ripped my entire Bliu-Ray and DVD collection with MakeMKV, so I doubt it's a software issue.
Another viewer mentioned MakeMKV has been known to have issues with certain HD-DVDs. I'm sure it's basically an issue that's a non-issue as no one cares at this point if true.
If anyone gets an itch to collect HD DVDs just be aware of the disc rot issue. I have round 50 discs. More than half don't play anymore. All WB discs.
You: I made one of the stupidest purchases in a long time...
Me, after watching years of Techmoan: I'm sorry, what? I don't understand.🤨
That’s a good reminder I need to watch more of his content… also I’m small time compared to techmoan, 8 bit guy, this does not compute etc….
HD-DVD failed because Disney chose to only support BluRay. And BluRays still suck due to even the tiniest scratch messing up the video or causing players to freeze.
Blurays are the most resistant to getting scratches, though. Standard DVDs and 4k UHD get damaged far easier than bluray. From what I've heard the HD-DVD format is the least reliable of all these formats, though.
@@frommatorav1 As an owner of a lot of BluRays, I can say that I have DVDs that have visible scratches that will play and rip just fine while BluRays with microscopic ones you can barely see that will freeze or refuse to rip. And I have 2 BluRays that died to disk rot due to poor manufacturing. I do not have HD-DVD so I cant speak as to how bad those are.
Sony had Columbia and they supported blu ray exclusively out the gate
Blu-ray is the most durable of the optical video disc formats. It’s not infallible but they do have a hard outer coating and better sealed data layers to protect from the air’s oxidation. But do keep them stored properly in a cool dry environment no matter what.
Yep you're right.
Some TOSHIBA laptops of the time came with an HDDVD drive built in. So, I guess that's your "slim drive", although it is not an external one.
Yea, I saw that. I should have clarified external slim.
@@dmug No, I get what you mean. It's a different device.
13:26 ... is to throw it into a trashbin.
I still own a 360 and want to get a HD DVD drive for my collection, but I haven't yet because... It's a dead media format compared to my 200+ Blu-ray collection
Upside is they are cheap and it seems like a few of the movies are watchable that make mkv and anydvd couldn’t rip.
Region free and interactivity based on Wed standards, and the red cases - the three things HD DVD did better. 😂
I remember them surging in price a few years ago as people realised it was a way of getting a decent blue laser diode for not a lot of cash, but I guess OEM/ODM diodes are far cheaper now.
BD-J sounds like a nightmare whereas my web dev self likes the idea of just using html/css/js to render UIs.
It should've been obvious to everyone the format with double the storage space was gonna win
One commenter mentioned he was working at circuit city and was convinced hd dvd players would win since early blu ray players were slow and especially pokey when interacting with menus. He said the user experience was much better on hd dvd. I think looking backwards it seems foregone but I found that interesting.
It seems obvious now but it didn’t really matter at the time. Both formats could hold a full-length feature film in high-definition.
Me too friend me tooo..
Honestly HD-DVD wasn't bad.
I'd 100% agree if all the movies I had worked.
Well for a guy researching formats you certainly missed the most important part.
It’s not an HDDVD problem. It’s a WB disc problem. See their pressings for their DVDs and HDDVDs were trash. It was the same cheap team printing them. There are full on TH-cam documentaries on this. You should have known this before you started.
In fact WB still prints half hearted DVDs to this day. I got a courage the cowardly dog box set and it’s already rotting. Not even 2 years old.
So I think you owe it to the platform to be more respectful and make a follow up vid cuz it has nothing to do with HDDVD. And if you have some that aren’t WB then you seriously had bad luck. It’s not common.
I follow all sorts of media collector markets. And everyone knows about how worthless WB discs are. Yet plenty of people still collect for HD DVD. I see no problems in their efforts.
@@novalover5033 There isn't exactly a big source of truth on this, other than few forums posts that mention various disc rot. There were conflicting reports between manufacturing vs others claiming any disc was at risk.
Also said documentary, the RetroBlasting one, was only release a week or so before my video at which point I'd done plenty of reading about HD-DVD and was well into the editing phase. I didn't know about it and in fact only heard about it about it a month ago. Thanks to it, the WB manufacturing issues are suddenly more widely known now. This just how TH-cam videos work, I can't edit it after the fact but quite frankly, I was far more interested in trying to play HD-DVDs in macOS than I was researching disc rot. It's a footnote, and my statements in the video are remain accurate. It could have been more accurate had I attributed it to WB manufactured discs.
Fun fact, what iv3 seen hd dvd wise, they look better then the blu ray of the same movie, it actually was the better format over all
I owned some examples of this but it had nothing to do with the format. It was the result of the companies mucking up the Blu-Ray version with more edge enhancement and DNR. "The Last Starfighter" comes to mind.
Yeah, I’d expect it comes down to mastering as both formats are incredibly similar as they both had the same codec support. My guess is you’d be hard pressed to notice much of a difference in movies that used the same mastering just different bit rates. Maybe a few less minor artifacts in high motion and better representation of film grain.
It’s kind of funny how the only thing that didn’t make this war a draw is Microsoft not wanting to spend a couple more bucks to just have it built in. Can’t really say the cost would’ve been much more to have a hd dvd laser maybe the msrp would’ve went up by $5 at the most. That would be an interesting difference in events and would make for a much different video.
So much ignorance. HD-DVD was NOT technologically inferior to Blu-Ray. This is wrong on so many levels. You shouldn’t do a comparison about something you already have a bias against. The only thing Blu-Ray had over HD-DVD was potential storage per layer. I said potential as most of the original BluRay releases were using MPEG2 compression, same as DVDs, and had inferior video quality compared to HD-DVD, which used AV-1 out of the gate. In fact Sony had a mail in program where you could send in your MPEG2 discs in exchange for an AV-1 version a year later. Did you know that baked into the HD-DVD specifications was a feature called Managed Copy? When Sony tried to copy this, they stated including a separate disc or a download code for digital copy, which still happens to this day. It is also true that the first release of HD-DVD players did not support 1080p, but actually 1080i. This was not due to the disc, but due to the broadcast HD standard being 720p/1080i. Later HD-DVD players supported 1080p, all discs will output 1080p when supported by the player and TV. All HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are is a storage format. The difference in implementation is down to software, and the extra layer of copy protection. Warner Bros and Universal were the last 2 hold outs, and only caved to Blu-Ray when the rest of the studios gave up. People not buying due to the format war is one of the things this video got correct. Man, learn to research better. This is the kind of stuff that ruins history.
Not sure where this came from, as I’m hardly a Blu-ray fan boy, and didn’t assert that Blu-Ray was massively superior beyond storing more data, and not having the issues with bad discs. I think there might be a wire crossed about the intent of this video.
My experience trying use HD DVD in 2024 was not good. There’s no other way to say it. Blu ray worked without hitches and you could easily find multiple ways to play the discs in macOS and Windows and Linux. HD DVD was completely different. This might seem like a “well no shit” as it’s a dead format but it doesn’t make it any less true. I’m sure it was a down right pleasant format to use in 2006 but that isn’t what my angle is about.
I also didn’t get into the 1080i vs p thing as the Xbox 360 originally was 1080i only but later shipped a firmware update that enabled 1080p over component not long after the drive was released (and then later added hdmi support to newer consoles). It wasn’t really relevant to the narrative as I didn’t ever plug the drive into an Xbox 360.
I also didn’t get into how HD DVD drives capped out at 4x and most were 2x vs blu ray capping at out at 16x or that hd dvd’s licensing fees were lower. Some details just aren’t really important to the story, which is the experience of trying to plug an HD DVD drive into a computer and play a movie.
I didn’t ever hear or read anything about the mpeg 2 compression, but would certainly be interested in reading more about that if you know any sources.
You mean VC-1, not AV-1, 😅.
@@Saturn2888 Yes, thank you. 🙂
A Rolls Royce phantom is a "better" format, which is why they outsold Toyota :) haha
Sony with the release of the PS3 and almost indestructible Blu- ray with a vast library allowed you have a true HT console which Microsoft could not match. Whats hilarious is almost no one uses a lot of physical media anymore beyond the studio as almost everything offers a digital option. I talked to someone about building a Home theater PC and when you have say 15TB of digital media thats easily 2 HDDS and a SSD done deal. But with physical media thats over 1500 BDs or 10x that if you prefer just CDs. The point is we've kinda reached the pinnacle of physical media and while in the 80s the future being bright well we now live in that future, where we go from here is truly the unknown. PS I still have my HDDVDs and working player andquite a few Mini Dics, the later competes with my modded flashdrive iPods but thats for another time.
HD DVD was obsolete out of the gate. Bluray had more storage and capacity to grow and was being adopted for business use..
But don't feel bad about buying into an obsolete format.
Do feel bad about buying "Battlefield Earth" in any format.😅
Battlefield Earth 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I font know...but if I recall, back at the time HD-Dvd had better interactive videos. It's a shame, thought you would play the HD Dvd's on the 360, as they were meant to be played with the add on. 360's are cheap though. 🤦🏼♂️
Only cool people go mountain hiking to review dead media formats in an irreverent and nonchalant manner while talking about how irresponsible they are with money.
There’s dozens of us… dozens!
‘HD DVD’ is so awful to say. Blu-ray is much nicer, phonetically.
My dumb self early in recording I kept wanting to say HDVD.
@@dmug They should have called it DVD+ or somesuch
@@kirishima638 DVD+R is a thing
@@tezcanaslan2877 it is? Ok
Blu Ray is cooler
It very much is.
Both the HD-DVD and BluRay were too little too late, and should have entered the market earlier. Personally I have never even TOUCHED (or watched) a BluRay disc... There's been no need to.
So you enjoy not owning movies?
@@Clay3613 You don't need to "own" them to watch them.. ;)
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Well not all films are available on streaming services.
@@qasimmir7117 Torrents existed way before streaming services OR BluRay/HDDVD existed. ;)
Why didnt you just buy an xbox 360?.... its not like they are rare or expensive
For a few reasons:
first not much of a gamer so didn’t want to.
Second, they cost about $50-$100 depending on model/config. TH-cam has been overall a money losing hobby. I dropped about $39 on something I’m not going to really use and don’t have space for. I’m unlikely to make back $89 off a single vid, as I don’t put in mid rolls or have sponsors in my videos. It’s a hobby for me and hopefully it’ll at some point make enough to justify dumping more money into for pointless things.
Third, not really interesting trying to use them as intended. I’m 1000% sure if I plugged the drive into an Xbox 360, the drive would work fine and possibly even play some of the glitched discs. Not much to explore, and there’s better people who already have explained hd dvd on the 360.
What a waste of time.
Yes.
@@dmug Love that response, and I love your channel. You get into the esoteric but entertaining weirdness of tech.
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Well at least you learned something.
why not get a xbox 360? they aren;'t that expancive anymore
hd dvd wasn't dumb, sony had to pay off several studios to make blu-ray work.
Your purchases aren't irresponsible... What's irresponsible is the way you keep pronouncing RidgeMOUNT High...
Fair enough, I haven't ever watched the movie either
HD-DVD was the better format.
It wasn’t.
@qasimmir7117 it was. That's why Sony had to spend so much money to force blu-ray. Money they still have not made back due to low sales.
Worse bitrate and storage is better how?
There is nothing legally grey about making personal copies of movies you own. Jesus Christ dude quit perpetuating the pearl clutching attitude around copyright it's exhausting.
I tend to make videos about legally dubious things: emulation, playing old games or fan-made ports to the Mac and so forth so I error on not pushing the boundaries any further than necessary.
@@dmug how spineless
@@42crazyguy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It might surprise you but I don't get to make the rules for TH-cam as I am not the CEO.
There's a lot of creators who dance around forbidden topics, hence the whole series of euphemisms like "Self delete" or "un-alive". Even talking about certain world events in a non-controversial way can cause demonetization and the TH-cam algo to suppress the content.
Why shouldn't they have used mini USB though? It was the USB C of 2000s... every device used it, from cameras, through external HDD, and mobile phones (at least hese that did not have custom plugs), it is a super common connector where as full size type B was mainly ever used for printers, scanners and some cheapo esternal DVDs
I meant to say USB B connector, but most of my devices (multiple HDDs, printer, scanner, multiple midi instruments and audio interfaces) used B. It was far more common from my experience all the way up to USBc
Cameras used Mini as it made sense as they were small and same with the ps3 controllers. Then micro was used on a mini controller or two I’ve owned, my camera and ps4 controllers and that’s it. Still have things like the ableton push 2, NI Maschine, that’s on USB B.