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From what little I've seen, the developers of HelloSystem seem a bit too far up their own backsides for my liking. Haiku seems like something more people would want to actually use once there is more broad hardware compatibility for proper hardware based 3D acceleration,, and web browsers actually worth using as Web Positive, and the current builds of Falkon are still kind of jank.
This helloSystem feels more like a "helloWorld" to me. The fact that they took the time to publish a "Reviewer's guide" and implement VM detection on top of that, just for all of it to be the thing that it is.... what a shitpost of an OS.
I wonder if the self-bricking might have been a part of the VM detection... That attitude seems like the sort of person who might have the OS selfdestruct if run in a VM...
tbh honest, it all comes with what you crunch hours and get used to it. I was an avid DOS and Windows 3.x-9x user, then when xp came out moved to Linux, and didn't touch windows till last year when I went back to university and had to use Visual Studio (17 years later)... It took me weeks to learn how to do a lot of stuff. Unintuitive as hell for me compared to Win98. I still struggle when I need to change settings. I finish now, and will never install Windows11, so curious to know how it will be in another 17 years.
Toaru OS was definitely named after the light novel and anime series Toaru Majutsu No Index aka A Certain Magical Index. Misaka and Kuroko are the names of two popular characters. Pretty cool to learn my favorite series has an operating system named after it.
Fun fact about BeOS: Apple got very close to acquiring it and turning it into the official Mac OS. This deal fell apart, and they decided to acquire NeXT instead, and that OS formed the basis of what became Mac OSX.
@@hollyc5417 I think it was. The price was just to high for Apple back then. Somewhat later Apple bought NeXT instead for 4 times the price. But i guess it was worth it considering it also gave it Steve Jobs
Internally Apple was deciding between attempting to purchase NeXT or Be, or developing their next OS (codenamed Copeland) in house - interestingly Be also had a former apple employee, Gassée, in charge who succeeded Jobs on the Mac project
Fun fact: the ReactOS theming system is in the same format as XP's. I once copied the famous Luna theme from XP and put it in a react VM's themes folder, and it _actually worked!_ However, that's also how I discovered that not only is the "start" text...actually rendered as text, but the flag logo is _not_ baked into the start button! It's a separate graphic placed onto the blank button! Thus, the word "start" looked off due to a font difference and the genuine XP start button graphic still had the ReactOS globe icon placed onto it instead of the XP flag.
there's a registry entry somewhere that contains the start button text. It's probably made that way for multi language support. But yeah I once changed the start button to say "soap"
To all the people who say the terminal is too difficult and complicated, the whole song and dance that was required to install Firefox could have been accomplished with typing "sudo pkg install firefox" in a terminal window and pressing enter
People who have an issue with this don’t acknowledge how many clicks it takes to download on a website. Yea you have to remember commands but when you do it’s soooooo much easier.
Firefox is not a great example. now I have to run like 10 commands to remove snap, then change the default Firefox install command so it doesn't re-download snap and installs the Deb version again.
@polocatfan I don't think, that this OS which isn't based on the Linux kernel and isn't using systemd as an init system is using snap. The snap Firefox problem is more an Ubuntu thing.
What? No 9front/Plan 9 from Bell Labs? That may be right up your alley for a deep dive actually. Not only is 9 historically significant, but 9p, Inferno, Golang, and a host of other things are intimately tangled in that mess. And a bunch of turbonerds (myself included) use it as a secondary or even primary OS in the modern 9front distro.
I was just about to comment, I'm shocked that 9front wasn't included. It's almost usable as a daily driver, crazy the amount of work that's been done in the last few years
Plan9 was mentioned when talking about Redox's "everything is a URL" scheme in comparison to 9s "everything is a file" concept, but i assume it was excluded from this vid for the same reason as templeOS and Hannah Montana Linux, it's pretty well known already (at least to the target audience here)
I don't know man, that Hello System thing sure looks like a faithful MacOS clone. It hates when you install it on unapproved hardware, it hates when you install applications from outside the approved way of doing so, and it makes the most mondain tasks hard as hell if you step outside the very narrow way it wants you to do them. 10/10, just as big of a dumpster fire as the real thing. But seriously, I don't know how they screwed all that up. All they had to do was start with NomadBSD/GhostBSD with Gnome or KDE installed and the menubar enabled, do a few thinks to tweak the default menus, then ship it. How do you screw that up?
I love how Doom was so ubiquitous with its open source and simple engine that it’s a baseline for the completeness of anything with a computer and screen.
Nice vid! I am actually in a middle of recording a Operating System iceberg video myself. Gotta say, I find it pretty interesting how 90% of these are either unix-like or unix-based. Only a few outliers... shows you how influential Unix was
update: not dead, turns out making a 2 hour video with original recording takes almost a full year to make audio done, gotta record all the OS footage now
Love the video, but was surprised to see you confused at hellosystem's "screen resolution" menu since it looked like it was just arandr a pretty common linux utility
That was 100% arandr. It’s all good, I was lost the first time I used it too. It gets better when you have to have it save a xrandr script that you then have to change to executable, then put in your configuration file that you want it to run that script every time you login to your os 😅
I plan to turn an old 2010 Thinkpad into my travel laptop with Haiku! They have support for thousands of apps, and i’m pretty excited to be able to use it!
My main laptop is a 2011 Thinkpad T520 (upgraded to have 10 gigs of ram), the NVIDIA gpu was such a pain in the ass but it somewhat works now. no vulkan, openGL only, everything runs like shit, it runs arcolinux. But i love it, it's an amazing laptop, very high quality as expected from an old thinkpad.
For old laptops ill always say that xubuntu is superior. You get the latest kernels and software in a stable and popular distribution family but with a super light window manager. It runs well on a potato.
11:37 You're looking at arandr, a common utility for changing X11 display settings, with the menubar up top and no text on the icons. Sounds like something Apple would implement, I guess mission accomplished?
OMFG... SerenityOS sounds like literally everything I want in a *modern* OS. Retro, classic Windows style at first glance? Check. UNIX-like under the hood? Check. Modern features to bring it kicking and screaming into the present? Hell yes. Move on over ReactOS. You seemed cool... like two decades ago. But now you're old, still buggy as hell, still can't do much without crashing; becoming more and more obsolete by the day by the evolution of Windows itself, and how many Windows applications would I even care to run these days? Probably like... two. This is like taking an old Linux distro I used for a bit which used the Equinox Desktop environment... but it sounds like SerenityOS pushed that concept to the max. I can't wait for ISOs to be available and to try this thing out.
I feel amazed of people putting effort into doing these OSs, even if they know they aren't going to be used. I seriously love it, it makes me happy. Just making software for the sake of it, projects made with passion and love, despite their obvious drawbacks.
If the illustration at 0:08 was accurate, Windows would be bludgeoning Mac and Linux with a tire iron while obscure OS's stare on in horror. Also helloSystems is ironic since they're doing everything they hate about Apple.
K Lange is Kevin Lange who basically started out working on ToAruOS on the side of working tech jobs in SF as a learning project. Then he moved to Japan and eventually seemingly getting too many things to do on the side of working tech jobs to have time to work on the os.
BeOS first successor was ZETA from YellowTab. On German RTL shopping channel they even sold a sort MediaBox PC with it preinstalled. ZETA allowed me to boot a system, start a browser (a Swedish FireFox with an English language pack), look up a public transport connection and shut the system down within less than 5 minutes (on a PC that needed about three minutes to boot Windows).
Trying helloSystem in a virtual machine is unfair because they clearly know there are problems there but it's not worth fixing. Of course it doesn't excuse the design, but I wouldn't go as far as saying all the issues would appear in bare metal. I wonder if you tried the nightlies for ReactOS since it's the recommended way of installing it from the developers. The person responsible for the versioning doesn't want to update it.
I dont know how you could possibly mess up an OS enough to have it not work in virtual machines (asides from drivers, but those clearly weren't the problem here)
@@KalosLikesComputers I was wrong and edited my comment, but you saw it before I could fix it haha. I think it's ARandR, not XRandR has I had previously mentioned. *ahem* If you were a seasoned Arch user like myself, you would be very familiar with such applications due to the fact that you would be using them an infinite googol number of times at first as you fully customize your 10 monitor Hyprland environment /s This video was actually really neat. I have to wonder if *maybe* HelloSystem is pulling some really weird hardware tricks and would actually work properly if it were physically installed and not run through a VM. It's probably not a great comparison, but I started my foray into Linux like 25 years ago using VMWare and Suse, and there were definitely some weird issues that only existed because of the VM layer.
if talking about obscure, you gotta talk about OS/2 mate while it is paid, it is pretty dope, there is a modern continuation called ArcaOS, I don't expect you to necessarily shill out $140 for an obscure OS license, but I would expect at least an outside overview of what it's supposed to be able to do and its history, or something
I was actually going to include osFree, a Russian open-source reimplementation of OS/2, but it was difficult to cover due to the visuals (or lack thereof)
Wonder how these weird little projects stack up security wise. Like thing about Linux and FreeBSD kernel code is all the eyes on it. Who’s to say these don’t have buffer overflow vulnerabilities in some core components. Well I guess the all rust one probably doesn’t. But still yeah wonder how vulnerable they are and how that stacks up against their obscurity.
I'm curious why you didn't re-do the reactOS segment with the nightly build, or at least show it off alongside the stable. Not showing it at all def makes it look worse than the nightly versions are.
I wish you'd shown MenuetOS, it's one of those kinda crazy ideas to make in a modern world that I just enjoy seeing, even if I'd never use it myself. And the latest update is earlier this year, so it's not abandoned.
I have a dated Toshiba Satellite notebook upon which I want to install KolibriOS; kinda surprised it wasn't mentioned here. If you do a follow-up, could you talk about Kolibri?
You, sir, are a legend. You actually told me about some OSes, I've never heard of, I'd only heard of ReactOS (which granted you said most of us would have heard of) and Haiku. I'm gonna go try some of them in VMs (except helloSystem - that one I'll try in a live USB).
Well. I tried helloSystem. And I think you actually had it easier on a VM, it set my keyboard to German, I couldn't use the mouse or keyboard to choose a layout or language at the first screen, I had to manually type the WiFi SSID, and sound did not work. In it's defence, it did seem to have full graphical acceleration, 1080p TH-cam worked in the Falkon browser, and it seemed to detect my sound card and all the outputs, as well as HDMI but I am only using the internal speaker of my MacPro5,1 so... I guess wanted a system that gives the complexity of some Linux distros, with the interface of Mac OS X. If they keep working on it and make it more like Mac OS X functionally, they'll have something there, but as you said they've got a long way to go. I think I'll try the experimental build next and see if sound works.
The only one in this video I hadn't heard of before was helloSystem, which I'm guessing doesn't want you running it in a VM just to make it more difficult to screen record how terrible it is. Although I have to admit I'd only vaguely heard of Redox and Toaru and didn't know much about them. Haiku's stackable windows thing reminds me of pwm, my favorite Linux window manager back in the early 2000s, and the predecessor to Ion. I was so sad when that window manager stopped working reliably due mostly to changes in Gtk that messed with it.
ToaruOS is really interesting in its ability to rotate windows to any angle and everything still displays properly in them. I wonder how that was accomplished. BTW, how long did it take to build Serenity OS?
11:42 That's arandr. It's an X11 program that generates an xrandr command that configures your display. I guess the design of it is just a product of the devs knowing that when you install it, you quickly generate a script, then uninstall it, so design isn't really a priority. Whenever I install gentoo, I always use it because it takes barely any time to compile, and does the job.
I have no idea what type of witchcraft you had to do to make the Blue Snowball sound acceptable but well done. Content was great too, you earned a sub!
cool video, I was one of those guys in the 90's that ran BeOS as my main operating system. was great for a while, even had a VM running AppleGS. showing my age there... LOL
Omg omg omg hello from your newest subscriber. Time to investigate even more esoteric random OSs! I have a list! And you tackled some of them! Here’s the whole list for random cool TH-camrs to investigate👀 The BSDs: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD, DragonFly BSD, MidnightBSD, NomadBSD, BSDRP, StarBSD, CheriBSD, PureDarwin, helloSystem Unix: OpenIndiana/Illumos… Unix-Like: 9Front, HelenOS, Xv6, Fiwix, ELKS Embedded, MINIX, GNU/Hurd, RedoxOS, SerenityOS,, Fuschia, QNX Neutrino, Fiwix, NuttX, T-Kernel, ToaruOS non-UNIX: ReactOS, Haiku (POSIXish), Phantom OS, osFree (open source OS/2), ArcaOS (closed-source OS/2).❤ Also SculptOS and Visopsys, but IDK where to put those. And HelenOS specifically gives Windows 3.1 with 95 vibes
I absolutely love that the Redox web browser barely works but the devs went above and beyond to make DOOM run perfectly and for it to come prepackaged on their OS. Shows that the developers have their priorities absolutely straight.
2:46 Wow. That was the first time a "Please subscribe" in the first video I watched of someone actually made me subscribe. I usually discover channels by watching their videos for months without subscribing and then when I'm 100% sure I want that content reliably as soon as it comes out I subscribe.
I feel like hellosystem should’ve been its own video, doesn’t feel right sitting between all these cool OSs that aren’t based on any preexisting platform
I love nerds who still use can it run Doom as a standard 😂 this traditional should never die, though we may want to create some higher stakes benchmarks at some point.
Full disclosure on the Jakt programming language: Andreas Kling said the language would have minimal movement anyways as more focus is on the LadyBird web browser and SerenityOS (which is purposefully not meant for tire kickers according to Andreas) since Jakt by his own admission transpiles to C++ anyway, so why bother when he could entirely use C++ for everything?
Just reading the title I was worried the video would only cover stuff normies hadn't heard of, but as soon as the intro started and you said we wouldn't be covering Temple OS or HannahMontana linux I knew this was made for true OS enthusiasts
Yes, but does Serenity have the hotdog theme? All joking aside, the mention of a paint-like program has me wondering about art programs in nonstandard OSes. I know Krita can work in Linux, but that's the one I can think of off the top of my head. I would hope there's a weird world of just strange, hidden utilities out there, just vibin.
Other than the crashes and the unfinished applications, the helloSystem OS is quite similar to MacOS in the very early 2000s. As I remember my experience of it back then anyway. The right-click functionality lines up pretty well with the one-button mouse they insisted on back then.
FreeBSD works in a VM, why wouldn't this? They don't mention any bugs that could occur in a VM, they just want the system to access the CPU and GPU directly in a review setting to appear snappier.
Toaru OS being able to rotate windows is actually the coolest fucking thing ever and I demand it be ported to KDE or Windows now Also subbed this is some high quality stuff
RedoxOS's icons look a lot like Linux Mint's icons. But I like that they're (at least partially) Linux-compatible, which probably makes it about as daily-driveable as Haiku.
@@KalosLikesComputers Well, they state they're source-compatible, so if you're an LFS daily-driver RedoxOS would be no problem for you. And I suspect even some binaries may work. And if you can get WINE to work you have also unlocked Window$-compatibility.
i have a folder at work with nearly all os operating systems that can be virtualized. it is not yet finished but i also tried to find the ones that are more obscure. Found some new ones in this video thx. x3 I do not plan on adding very old operating system or all the mac os operating systems tho just some. I do have so so many linux versions tho.
I dualboot Haiku on my main laptop, have a 64GB partition on the main SSD, abd because did the more tricky EFI install i can boot into it right from the grub menu. its probably the most stable non-linux OS I've used because unlike some of the others it doesnt try to be something it isnt and focuses on doing what it can do well
original beos was super stable and even with questionable drivers in the years after it's discontinuation it wasn't an actual problem if the sound subsystem crashed completely because you could restart that part without having to reboot. I had 200+ days of uptime on the leaked dano build that was somewhat popular amongst beos hobbyists 20 years ago. used that computer for irc and mp3 playing. 10/10 on outdated hardware of the time.
@@NitroNilz 'hybrid'. but look monolithic, micro or modular etc doesn't really tell the whole story of if an os can load drivers that crash independently of the rest of the system or not and such things that have practical effects on the user of the system
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an OS made using .Turtles 🐢🐢🐢🐢
Nope. :)
helloSystem introduces it self as rock solid, until it crumbles apart when you try to install firefox
You must use the terminal to install everything because probonopd has basically given up on.
From what little I've seen, the developers of HelloSystem seem a bit too far up their own backsides for my liking. Haiku seems like something more people would want to actually use once there is more broad hardware compatibility for proper hardware based 3D acceleration,, and web browsers actually worth using as Web Positive, and the current builds of Falkon are still kind of jank.
@@CommodoreFan64 it's plain bad, tried it on 2011 macbook pro. 0 progress, it crashes and not working, global menu just plain disappears
helloSystem it's my Sofrware persona 🤣🤣😭
To be fair it might be exactly that kind of thing as to why they were so adamant about not using an emulator
This helloSystem feels more like a "helloWorld" to me. The fact that they took the time to publish a "Reviewer's guide" and implement VM detection on top of that, just for all of it to be the thing that it is.... what a shitpost of an OS.
💀💀💀 Couldn't have said it better myself
This attitude feels a bit toxic, but whatever
@@roadkill_52Like the makers of helloSystem aren't? Shitty attitudes beget shitty attitudes.
hubris, thy name is HelloSystem
I wonder if the self-bricking might have been a part of the VM detection... That attitude seems like the sort of person who might have the OS selfdestruct if run in a VM...
I'm 40-somethingmumble years old. I was 22 before I touched a Mac. "Intuitive my ass," I said. helloSystem brought back memories.
Not very good memories I suppose 😂
OS 8 was the last of Apple's great OS's.
@@KalosLikesComputers "Why do I have 97 photo file icons stacked on top of each like a pile of dirty plates? What is happening with the GUI?"
tbh honest, it all comes with what you crunch hours and get used to it. I was an avid DOS and Windows 3.x-9x user, then when xp came out moved to Linux, and didn't touch windows till last year when I went back to university and had to use Visual Studio (17 years later)... It took me weeks to learn how to do a lot of stuff. Unintuitive as hell for me compared to Win98. I still struggle when I need to change settings. I finish now, and will never install Windows11, so curious to know how it will be in another 17 years.
MacOS can be used by complete novices. You're either dumb or a liar.
Toaru OS was definitely named after the light novel and anime series Toaru Majutsu No Index aka A Certain Magical Index. Misaka and Kuroko are the names of two popular characters. Pretty cool to learn my favorite series has an operating system named after it.
Scrolled to long to find this. This was exactly my reaction hearing these names. It's a great series that's too underrated IMHO
I suppose "Macindows EXP" had been taken ...
I loved the Nick Robinson reference 🤣
@@runed0s86 that one was indeed great
If someone was to clone it and continue I think 10032 would be a good name, unfortunately I do not understand C
Fun fact about BeOS: Apple got very close to acquiring it and turning it into the official Mac OS. This deal fell apart, and they decided to acquire NeXT instead, and that OS formed the basis of what became Mac OSX.
that's not true. the deal didn't fall apart. beOS was never actually considered at all.
@@hollyc5417 I think it was. The price was just to high for Apple back then. Somewhat later Apple bought NeXT instead for 4 times the price. But i guess it was worth it considering it also gave it Steve Jobs
Internally Apple was deciding between attempting to purchase NeXT or Be, or developing their next OS (codenamed Copeland) in house - interestingly Be also had a former apple employee, Gassée, in charge who succeeded Jobs on the Mac project
You have to admire the balls on the developers of helloSystem. They're like the GNOME of operating systems. It's their way or the highway
Indeed, I kind of admire them for that. I mean, I'm glad they are doing their own thing, even if it will not cater to most people out there
Atleast GNOME functions 😅
After seeing helloSystem, I’ll never criticise GNOME ever again.
At least GNOME is functional and is used by millions
Fun fact: the ReactOS theming system is in the same format as XP's. I once copied the famous Luna theme from XP and put it in a react VM's themes folder, and it _actually worked!_ However, that's also how I discovered that not only is the "start" text...actually rendered as text, but the flag logo is _not_ baked into the start button! It's a separate graphic placed onto the blank button! Thus, the word "start" looked off due to a font difference and the genuine XP start button graphic still had the ReactOS globe icon placed onto it instead of the XP flag.
I guess the fonts are also in the same format so copying the fonts from XP would also make it render properly, right?
there's a registry entry somewhere that contains the start button text. It's probably made that way for multi language support. But yeah I once changed the start button to say "soap"
@@BradenBest hooray soap
@@BradenBest 🧼
To all the people who say the terminal is too difficult and complicated, the whole song and dance that was required to install Firefox could have been accomplished with typing "sudo pkg install firefox" in a terminal window and pressing enter
People who have an issue with this don’t acknowledge how many clicks it takes to download on a website. Yea you have to remember commands but when you do it’s soooooo much easier.
Firefox is not a great example. now I have to run like 10 commands to remove snap, then change the default Firefox install command so it doesn't re-download snap and installs the Deb version again.
@polocatfan I don't think, that this OS which isn't based on the Linux kernel and isn't using systemd as an init system is using snap. The snap Firefox problem is more an Ubuntu thing.
@@polocatfan This is more of an example of why you shouldn't use Ubuntu.
@@polocatfan ubuntu problems
What? No 9front/Plan 9 from Bell Labs?
That may be right up your alley for a deep dive actually. Not only is 9 historically significant, but 9p, Inferno, Golang, and a host of other things are intimately tangled in that mess. And a bunch of turbonerds (myself included) use it as a secondary or even primary OS in the modern 9front distro.
Are you able to use any modern browser at all the best browser I found was a net surf port
Plan 9 is extremely good
For it's time
@@replikvltyoutube3727 9front claims to be the easiest system to run a Git host on.
I was just about to comment, I'm shocked that 9front wasn't included. It's almost usable as a daily driver, crazy the amount of work that's been done in the last few years
Plan9 was mentioned when talking about Redox's "everything is a URL" scheme in comparison to 9s "everything is a file" concept, but i assume it was excluded from this vid for the same reason as templeOS and Hannah Montana Linux, it's pretty well known already (at least to the target audience here)
I don't know man, that Hello System thing sure looks like a faithful MacOS clone. It hates when you install it on unapproved hardware, it hates when you install applications from outside the approved way of doing so, and it makes the most mondain tasks hard as hell if you step outside the very narrow way it wants you to do them. 10/10, just as big of a dumpster fire as the real thing.
But seriously, I don't know how they screwed all that up. All they had to do was start with NomadBSD/GhostBSD with Gnome or KDE installed and the menubar enabled, do a few thinks to tweak the default menus, then ship it. How do you screw that up?
The jacksfilms haiku melody got me
My favorite obscure OS is Mezzano. While it's still in "beta" stage, and not friendly to normal users, I love its premise and design.
I love how Doom was so ubiquitous with its open source and simple engine that it’s a baseline for the completeness of anything with a computer and screen.
Fun fact:
The engine of Doom is neither open-source nor simple. Doom was sold. For money. By a company. It's just a good game.
@@KalosLikesComputersdoom was open sourced in 1997 though.
@@KalosLikesComputers doom is opensource
SerenityOS is the kind of OS I long for, but cannot have. The best of Classic Windows design but actually modern. But it’s just a hobby project…
Linux was an hobby os too...
Just use XFCE with Chicago95 theme or FVWM95
Just use Linux with Xfce and Chicago95 theme
@@plumcakeya hobby os
@plumcakey Point is, it'll take long before it's usable, if it even will be.
Nice vid! I am actually in a middle of recording a Operating System iceberg video myself. Gotta say, I find it pretty interesting how 90% of these are either unix-like or unix-based. Only a few outliers... shows you how influential Unix was
Remember to include kolibri os and temple os
@@kolotxoz oh don't worry, it goes much deeper than that ;)
Any progress?
@@xanderplayz3446 still in the making!
update: not dead, turns out making a 2 hour video with original recording takes almost a full year to make
audio done, gotta record all the OS footage now
Love the video, but was surprised to see you confused at hellosystem's "screen resolution" menu since it looked like it was just arandr a pretty common linux utility
Yeah somehow I had never encountered it before and I was expecting something intuitive and easy
That was 100% arandr.
It’s all good, I was lost the first time I used it too.
It gets better when you have to have it save a xrandr script that you then have to change to executable, then put in your configuration file that you want it to run that script every time you login to your os 😅
Yeah same
Lul. I've used Linux for 12 years now as my main OS and I've never seen that. Granted I use KDE.
Still a very shitty GUI, like even I learned better design in college
I plan to turn an old 2010 Thinkpad into my travel laptop with Haiku! They have support for thousands of apps, and i’m pretty excited to be able to use it!
I hope you have a great experience!
My main laptop is a 2011 Thinkpad T520 (upgraded to have 10 gigs of ram), the NVIDIA gpu was such a pain in the ass but it somewhat works now. no vulkan, openGL only, everything runs like shit, it runs arcolinux. But i love it, it's an amazing laptop, very high quality as expected from an old thinkpad.
For old laptops ill always say that xubuntu is superior. You get the latest kernels and software in a stable and popular distribution family but with a super light window manager. It runs well on a potato.
Is it any good
Just use mint lmde or debian xfce (or lxqt)
The boing ball behind you it's a really cool easter egg! I was afraid you would count AmigaOS among the "obscure" systems, but you didn't!
I only started watching to see AmigaOS, that the boingbll suggested would be spoken about... 😐
The rotating and opacity feature is also implanted in a WM for Linux called WayFire, and is also available in Hyprland (with about 80 plugins)
11:37 You're looking at arandr, a common utility for changing X11 display settings, with the menubar up top and no text on the icons. Sounds like something Apple would implement, I guess mission accomplished?
OMFG... SerenityOS sounds like literally everything I want in a *modern* OS. Retro, classic Windows style at first glance? Check. UNIX-like under the hood? Check. Modern features to bring it kicking and screaming into the present? Hell yes.
Move on over ReactOS. You seemed cool... like two decades ago. But now you're old, still buggy as hell, still can't do much without crashing; becoming more and more obsolete by the day by the evolution of Windows itself, and how many Windows applications would I even care to run these days? Probably like... two.
This is like taking an old Linux distro I used for a bit which used the Equinox Desktop environment... but it sounds like SerenityOS pushed that concept to the max. I can't wait for ISOs to be available and to try this thing out.
Everything you said could be done with a Win98 rice on a Unix-like system. But unlike Serenity it's not going to be unstable and slowly get abandoned.
One less known OS I have tried is the RISC-OS, it has some weird design choices but otherwise usable OS for any ARM based computer
Not really lesser known as its one of the main OSes available to directly download / install on raspberry pis
I feel amazed of people putting effort into doing these OSs, even if they know they aren't going to be used. I seriously love it, it makes me happy. Just making software for the sake of it, projects made with passion and love, despite their obvious drawbacks.
If the illustration at 0:08 was accurate, Windows would be bludgeoning Mac and Linux with a tire iron while obscure OS's stare on in horror.
Also helloSystems is ironic since they're doing everything they hate about Apple.
K Lange is Kevin Lange who basically started out working on ToAruOS on the side of working tech jobs in SF as a learning project. Then he moved to Japan and eventually seemingly getting too many things to do on the side of working tech jobs to have time to work on the os.
wait ToaruOS, THAT'S A THING?! lmfao
Toaru is my favourite anime series, all the programs are named after the characters xD
Watching Andreas Kling work on SerenityOS is one of the craziest shit I've ever seen. If there is a thing such as a 10x programmer, it is him.
How did I not know of this channel before? Great to see Haiku and React getting some love! Keep up the good work, your videos are fantastic!
I appreciate the haiku for Haiku. Very nice.
BeOS first successor was ZETA from YellowTab. On German RTL shopping channel they even sold a sort MediaBox PC with it preinstalled. ZETA allowed me to boot a system, start a browser (a Swedish FireFox with an English language pack), look up a public transport connection and shut the system down within less than 5 minutes (on a PC that needed about three minutes to boot Windows).
fun fact: ZETA was completely unlicensed and illegal. ACCESS Co. regularly sent cease and desists to yellowTAB, which were all promptly ignored.
Is it the same Jeremy soler from system76?
Oh my god, it is. How did I miss that??
Omg an ad progress bar. Your great. Now I can speed through an ad I don’t care about or know about and don’t have to worry about passing it up too far
Trying helloSystem in a virtual machine is unfair because they clearly know there are problems there but it's not worth fixing.
Of course it doesn't excuse the design, but I wouldn't go as far as saying all the issues would appear in bare metal.
I wonder if you tried the nightlies for ReactOS since it's the recommended way of installing it from the developers.
The person responsible for the versioning doesn't want to update it.
I dont know how you could possibly mess up an OS enough to have it not work in virtual machines (asides from drivers, but those clearly weren't the problem here)
11:39 "Hello, what is this?" Isn't that just ARandR?
I'd actually never seen it before.
@@KalosLikesComputers I was wrong and edited my comment, but you saw it before I could fix it haha. I think it's ARandR, not XRandR has I had previously mentioned.
*ahem* If you were a seasoned Arch user like myself, you would be very familiar with such applications due to the fact that you would be using them an infinite googol number of times at first as you fully customize your 10 monitor Hyprland environment /s
This video was actually really neat. I have to wonder if *maybe* HelloSystem is pulling some really weird hardware tricks and would actually work properly if it were physically installed and not run through a VM. It's probably not a great comparison, but I started my foray into Linux like 25 years ago using VMWare and Suse, and there were definitely some weird issues that only existed because of the VM layer.
if talking about obscure, you gotta talk about OS/2 mate
while it is paid, it is pretty dope, there is a modern continuation called ArcaOS, I don't expect you to necessarily shill out $140 for an obscure OS license, but I would expect at least an outside overview of what it's supposed to be able to do and its history, or something
I was actually going to include osFree, a Russian open-source reimplementation of OS/2, but it was difficult to cover due to the visuals (or lack thereof)
arcaos seems interesting enough. more so than some freebsd fork anyway.
Wonder how these weird little projects stack up security wise. Like thing about Linux and FreeBSD kernel code is all the eyes on it. Who’s to say these don’t have buffer overflow vulnerabilities in some core components. Well I guess the all rust one probably doesn’t. But still yeah wonder how vulnerable they are and how that stacks up against their obscurity.
I'm curious why you didn't re-do the reactOS segment with the nightly build, or at least show it off alongside the stable. Not showing it at all def makes it look worse than the nightly versions are.
I found out after I was already like halfway through editing and I had to meet a deadline 😭
hellosystem opposing things os x did as early as 10.3 like a sidebar in Finder, but cant let you change anything
I wish you'd shown MenuetOS, it's one of those kinda crazy ideas to make in a modern world that I just enjoy seeing, even if I'd never use it myself. And the latest update is earlier this year, so it's not abandoned.
Haiku is amazing, I use it on an old laptop since it's very lightweight.
It is a pity, Haiku does not have
the support for more screens
(extended desktop)… Or is it
done with some extra-app?
Qubes is a really neat metaOS that is based around making it VERY easy to use multiple VMs for security isolation.
I have a dated Toshiba Satellite notebook upon which I want to install KolibriOS; kinda surprised it wasn't mentioned here. If you do a follow-up, could you talk about Kolibri?
You, sir, are a legend. You actually told me about some OSes, I've never heard of, I'd only heard of ReactOS (which granted you said most of us would have heard of) and Haiku. I'm gonna go try some of them in VMs (except helloSystem - that one I'll try in a live USB).
Well. I tried helloSystem. And I think you actually had it easier on a VM, it set my keyboard to German, I couldn't use the mouse or keyboard to choose a layout or language at the first screen, I had to manually type the WiFi SSID, and sound did not work. In it's defence, it did seem to have full graphical acceleration, 1080p TH-cam worked in the Falkon browser, and it seemed to detect my sound card and all the outputs, as well as HDMI but I am only using the internal speaker of my MacPro5,1 so... I guess wanted a system that gives the complexity of some Linux distros, with the interface of Mac OS X. If they keep working on it and make it more like Mac OS X functionally, they'll have something there, but as you said they've got a long way to go. I think I'll try the experimental build next and see if sound works.
Im just glad this wasnt another video of someone going over the 3 wierd os's you mentioned in the beginning.
There was a OS I saw on one of these list where the entire thing was written in assembly, gui and all.
Ooo if you find it please hop over to the discord to tell me what it is I'd be super interested to check it out
@@KalosLikesComputers MenuetOS and KolibriOS are what I got from a quick google search
It might have been MenuetOS or its fork KolibriOS?
ToaruOS seems to name its functions after characters from Toaru no railgun/index
Redox OS will actually move to Cosmic DE which is a full Wayland compositor written in rust by System 76 with lead dev Jacob Soller.
That's so nice to hear!
The only one in this video I hadn't heard of before was helloSystem, which I'm guessing doesn't want you running it in a VM just to make it more difficult to screen record how terrible it is. Although I have to admit I'd only vaguely heard of Redox and Toaru and didn't know much about them.
Haiku's stackable windows thing reminds me of pwm, my favorite Linux window manager back in the early 2000s, and the predecessor to Ion. I was so sad when that window manager stopped working reliably due mostly to changes in Gtk that messed with it.
When you're such a big fan of A Certain Magical Index (Toaru Majutsu no Index) that you name everything in your custom OS after characters from it.
plan 9 not mentioned :c
I heard of all of those, but then again I watched all the JT vids about obscure OSes :) ToaruOS is so beautiful...
"Huh I wonder if Taoru's name is a reference to the anime franchise"
"Misaka, the kernel..."
that would be a yes
The Hello devs said not to run the os in a VM
he already knows that
Now Ladybird is planned to become a fully functional cross-platform web engine
It is worth to look at helen os and temple os please make part two including those oses
The app used for display resolution in hellosystem exist in Linux it's a front-end for xrander.
Right but I expected something different/easy! I mean this is basic stuff!
ToaruOS is really interesting in its ability to rotate windows to any angle and everything still displays properly in them. I wonder how that was accomplished. BTW, how long did it take to build Serenity OS?
11:42 That's arandr. It's an X11 program that generates an xrandr command that configures your display. I guess the design of it is just a product of the devs knowing that when you install it, you quickly generate a script, then uninstall it, so design isn't really a priority. Whenever I install gentoo, I always use it because it takes barely any time to compile, and does the job.
"Yeah, let's do the opposite of what the recommended specs are!"
"Wait, why is it not working?"
I thought you liked computers!
u actually wrote a haiku for the haiku part :0
I have no idea what type of witchcraft you had to do to make the Blue Snowball sound acceptable but well done.
Content was great too, you earned a sub!
Oh trust me we did a LOT of sound editing
No KolibriOS :(
ToaruOS was probably threatened directly by the big tech companies. they wouldn't hesitate to kill off small competition like that
You made Glenda sad by forgetting Plan 9... Just like the rust OS, everything is a file with a path in Plan 9 too.
cool video, I was one of those guys in the 90's that ran BeOS as my main operating system. was great for a while, even had a VM running AppleGS. showing my age there... LOL
27:49 "basically C++"??? Have you even looked at the language? It's nothing like C++
Omg omg omg hello from your newest subscriber. Time to investigate even more esoteric random OSs! I have a list! And you tackled some of them! Here’s the whole list for random cool TH-camrs to investigate👀
The BSDs: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD, DragonFly BSD, MidnightBSD, NomadBSD, BSDRP, StarBSD, CheriBSD, PureDarwin, helloSystem
Unix: OpenIndiana/Illumos…
Unix-Like: 9Front, HelenOS, Xv6, Fiwix, ELKS Embedded, MINIX, GNU/Hurd, RedoxOS, SerenityOS,, Fuschia, QNX Neutrino, Fiwix, NuttX, T-Kernel, ToaruOS
non-UNIX: ReactOS, Haiku (POSIXish), Phantom OS, osFree (open source OS/2), ArcaOS (closed-source OS/2).❤
Also SculptOS and Visopsys, but IDK where to put those.
And HelenOS specifically gives Windows 3.1 with 95 vibes
I absolutely love that the Redox web browser barely works but the devs went above and beyond to make DOOM run perfectly and for it to come prepackaged on their OS. Shows that the developers have their priorities absolutely straight.
Toaru os is named after Toaru no majutsu no index, one of the characters in it being Misaka, it´s kernel. the reference made me chuckle
2:46 Wow. That was the first time a "Please subscribe" in the first video I watched of someone actually made me subscribe. I usually discover channels by watching their videos for months without subscribing and then when I'm 100% sure I want that content reliably as soon as it comes out I subscribe.
Welcome! ❤️
Kalos is back!!
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I feel like hellosystem should’ve been its own video, doesn’t feel right sitting between all these cool OSs that aren’t based on any preexisting platform
Okay cool, Kalos, but couldn't you've taken at least a little bit of time out of your day to have heard of KolibriOS ?
But you've heard of that one. ;)
7:23 everything in redox os is a url
woah
Did you ever try Oberon?
I love nerds who still use can it run Doom as a standard 😂 this traditional should never die, though we may want to create some higher stakes benchmarks at some point.
Full disclosure on the Jakt programming language: Andreas Kling said the language would have minimal movement anyways as more focus is on the LadyBird web browser and SerenityOS (which is purposefully not meant for tire kickers according to Andreas) since Jakt by his own admission transpiles to C++ anyway, so why bother when he could entirely use C++ for everything?
Just reading the title I was worried the video would only cover stuff normies hadn't heard of, but as soon as the intro started and you said we wouldn't be covering Temple OS or HannahMontana linux I knew this was made for true OS enthusiasts
KolibriOs, the one written in assembly
24:40 It's so impressive that I personally forgive it for appropriately referencing the word とある in its name
was waiting for KalOS
A suggestion to include in a sequel video: Plan 9 from Bell Labs.
Yes, but does Serenity have the hotdog theme?
All joking aside, the mention of a paint-like program has me wondering about art programs in nonstandard OSes. I know Krita can work in Linux, but that's the one I can think of off the top of my head. I would hope there's a weird world of just strange, hidden utilities out there, just vibin.
Ha - you gotta check out Plan 9 from Bell Labs!
It would be really nice to see a port of the Serenity DE + GUI toolkit to both Xorg and Wayland.
Other than the crashes and the unfinished applications, the helloSystem OS is quite similar to MacOS in the very early 2000s. As I remember my experience of it back then anyway. The right-click functionality lines up pretty well with the one-button mouse they insisted on back then.
honestly why would you even entertain the idea of hellosystem in a vm if they say dont put it in a vm?
FreeBSD works in a VM, why wouldn't this?
They don't mention any bugs that could occur in a VM, they just want the system to access the CPU and GPU directly in a review setting to appear snappier.
You nailed it in this video. Your energy is incredible.
Haiku is legitimately awesome, I really want it to be a thing
I really Haiku. I run it as a daily driver on one my older think pads...
You could've also featured MenuetOS which is entirely written in x86 assembly and fits on a floppy disk :D
Toaru OS being able to rotate windows is actually the coolest fucking thing ever and I demand it be ported to KDE or Windows now
Also subbed this is some high quality stuff
Awsome video I am subbing! (side note RIP Terry)
RedoxOS's icons look a lot like Linux Mint's icons. But I like that they're (at least partially) Linux-compatible, which probably makes it about as daily-driveable as Haiku.
They're not Linux-compatible at all in my opinion, Haiku is wayyyyyy more daily-driveable
@@KalosLikesComputers
Well, they state they're source-compatible, so if you're an LFS daily-driver RedoxOS would be no problem for you. And I suspect even some binaries may work. And if you can get WINE to work you have also unlocked Window$-compatibility.
@@KalosLikesComputersThey are switching to Cosmic DE which will be a lot better.
i have a folder at work with nearly all os operating systems that can be virtualized. it is not yet finished but i also tried to find the ones that are more obscure. Found some new ones in this video thx. x3 I do not plan on adding very old operating system or all the mac os operating systems tho just some. I do have so so many linux versions tho.
I dualboot Haiku on my main laptop, have a 64GB partition on the main SSD, abd because did the more tricky EFI install i can boot into it right from the grub menu. its probably the most stable non-linux OS I've used because unlike some of the others it doesnt try to be something it isnt and focuses on doing what it can do well
original beos was super stable and even with questionable drivers in the years after it's discontinuation it wasn't an actual problem if the sound subsystem crashed completely because you could restart that part without having to reboot. I had 200+ days of uptime on the leaked dano build that was somewhat popular amongst beos hobbyists 20 years ago. used that computer for irc and mp3 playing. 10/10 on outdated hardware of the time.
So does it have a non-monolithic kernel?
@@NitroNilz 'hybrid'. but look monolithic, micro or modular etc doesn't really tell the whole story of if an os can load drivers that crash independently of the rest of the system or not and such things that have practical effects on the user of the system
helloSystem's "strong design choices" prevents it from ever reaching mainstream use
11:47 no way... that's literally just the Linux program Arandr, with no changes 😭 fully custom OS my ass