Obscure OSes You've NEVER Heard Of
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If you’re no stranger to the world of weird operating systems, you’ve heard of the popular ones like Temple OS, Hannah Montana Linux, Red Star OS, and so on. But what if I told you that was barely scratching the surface of the iceberg?
In this video, I'll be looking at 6 obscure operating systems of increasing obscurity: ReactOS, Redox OS, helloSystem, Haiku, ToaruOS, and SerenityOS.
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ReactOS: reactos.org/
Redox OS: www.redox-os.org/
helloSystem: hellosystem.github.io/docs/
Haiku: www.haiku-os.org/
ToaruOS: toaruos.org/
SerenityOS: serenityos.org/
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00:00 Intro
00:58 Sponsor
02:40 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
03:12 ReactOS
05:46 Redox OS
08:41 helloSystem
10:38 The helloSystem Experience™
16:31 Kalos rips into helloSystem some more
17:38 Haiku
20:48 ToaruOS
24:45 SerenityOS
29:26 Outro
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helloSystem introduces it self as rock solid, until it crumbles apart when you try to install firefox
You must use the terminal to install everything because probonopd has basically given up on.
@@lucyinchatwair its made by the appimage guy???
From what little I've seen, the developers of HelloSystem seem a bit too far up their own backsides for my liking. Haiku seems like something more people would want to actually use once there is more broad hardware compatibility for proper hardware based 3D acceleration,, and web browsers actually worth using as Web Positive, and the current builds of Falkon are still kind of jank.
@@CommodoreFan64 it's plain bad, tried it on 2011 macbook pro. 0 progress, it crashes and not working, global menu just plain disappears
helloSystem it's my Sofrware persona 🤣🤣😭
I'm 40-somethingmumble years old. I was 22 before I touched a Mac. "Intuitive my ass," I said. helloSystem brought back memories.
Not very good memories I suppose 😂
OS 8 was the last of Apple's great OS's.
@@KalosLikesComputers "Why do I have 97 photo file icons stacked on top of each like a pile of dirty plates? What is happening with the GUI?"
tbh honest, it all comes with what you crunch hours and get used to it. I was an avid DOS and Windows 3.x-9x user, then when xp came out moved to Linux, and didn't touch windows till last year when I went back to university and had to use Visual Studio (17 years later)... It took me weeks to learn how to do a lot of stuff. Unintuitive as hell for me compared to Win98. I still struggle when I need to change settings. I finish now, and will never install Windows11, so curious to know how it will be in another 17 years.
MacOS can be used by complete novices. You're either dumb or a liar.
This helloSystem feels more like a "helloWorld" to me. The fact that they took the time to publish a "Reviewer's guide" and implement VM detection on top of that, just for all of it to be the thing that it is.... what a shitpost of an OS.
💀💀💀 Couldn't have said it better myself
This attitude feels a bit toxic, but whatever
@@roadkill_52Like the makers of helloSystem aren't? Shitty attitudes beget shitty attitudes.
hubris, thy name is HelloSystem
You have to admire the balls on the developers of helloSystem. They're like the GNOME of operating systems. It's their way or the highway
Indeed, I kind of admire them for that. I mean, I'm glad they are doing their own thing, even if it will not cater to most people out there
Atleast GNOME functions 😅
After seeing helloSystem, I’ll never criticise GNOME ever again.
At least GNOME is functional and is used by millions
Fun fact about BeOS: Apple got very close to acquiring it and turning it into the official Mac OS. This deal fell apart, and they decided to acquire NeXT instead, and that OS formed the basis of what became Mac OSX.
that's not true. the deal didn't fall apart. beOS was never actually considered at all.
To all the people who say the terminal is too difficult and complicated, the whole song and dance that was required to install Firefox could have been accomplished with typing "sudo pkg install firefox" in a terminal window and pressing enter
People who have an issue with this don’t acknowledge how many clicks it takes to download on a website. Yea you have to remember commands but when you do it’s soooooo much easier.
Firefox is not a great example. now I have to run like 10 commands to remove snap, then change the default Firefox install command so it doesn't re-download snap and installs the Deb version again.
@polocatfan I don't think, that this OS which isn't based on the Linux kernel and isn't using systemd as an init system is using snap. The snap Firefox problem is more an Ubuntu thing.
@@polocatfan This is more of an example of why you shouldn't use Ubuntu.
@@polocatfan ubuntu problems
Fun fact: the ReactOS theming system is in the same format as XP's. I once copied the famous Luna theme from XP and put it in a react VM's themes folder, and it _actually worked!_ However, that's also how I discovered that not only is the "start" text...actually rendered as text, but the flag logo is _not_ baked into the start button! It's a separate graphic placed onto the blank button! Thus, the word "start" looked off due to a font difference and the genuine XP start button graphic still had the ReactOS globe icon placed onto it instead of the XP flag.
I guess the fonts are also in the same format so copying the fonts from XP would also make it render properly, right?
there's a registry entry somewhere that contains the start button text. It's probably made that way for multi language support. But yeah I once changed the start button to say "soap"
@@BradenBest hooray soap
Toaru OS was definitely named after the light novel and anime series Toaru Majutsu No Index aka A Certain Magical Index. Misaka and Kuroko are the names of two popular characters. Pretty cool to learn my favorite series has an operating system named after it.
Scrolled to long to find this. This was exactly my reaction hearing these names. It's a great series that's too underrated IMHO
I suppose "Macindows EXP" had been taken ...
What? No 9front/Plan 9 from Bell Labs?
That may be right up your alley for a deep dive actually. Not only is 9 historically significant, but 9p, Inferno, Golang, and a host of other things are intimately tangled in that mess. And a bunch of turbonerds (myself included) use it as a secondary or even primary OS in the modern 9front distro.
Are you able to use any modern browser at all the best browser I found was a net surf port
Plan 9 is extremely good
For it's time
I have an old PC running 9front.
It's actually pretty easy to use, just no program support whatsoever. The newest browser I could run was NetSurf.
@@replikvltyoutube3727 9front claims to be the easiest system to run a Git host on.
I was just about to comment, I'm shocked that 9front wasn't included. It's almost usable as a daily driver, crazy the amount of work that's been done in the last few years
The jacksfilms haiku melody got me
My favorite obscure OS is Mezzano. While it's still in "beta" stage, and not friendly to normal users, I love its premise and design.
I plan to turn an old 2010 Thinkpad into my travel laptop with Haiku! They have support for thousands of apps, and i’m pretty excited to be able to use it!
I hope you have a great experience!
My main laptop is a 2011 Thinkpad T520 (upgraded to have 10 gigs of ram), the NVIDIA gpu was such a pain in the ass but it somewhat works now. no vulkan, openGL only, everything runs like shit, it runs arcolinux. But i love it, it's an amazing laptop, very high quality as expected from an old thinkpad.
For old laptops ill always say that xubuntu is superior. You get the latest kernels and software in a stable and popular distribution family but with a super light window manager. It runs well on a potato.
Is it any good
Just use mint lmde or debian xfce (or lxqt)
SerenityOS is the kind of OS I long for, but cannot have. The best of Classic Windows design but actually modern. But it’s just a hobby project…
Linux was an hobby os too...
Just use XFCE with Chicago95 theme or FVWM95
Just use Linux with Xfce and Chicago95 theme
@@plumcakeya hobby os
Love the video, but was surprised to see you confused at hellosystem's "screen resolution" menu since it looked like it was just arandr a pretty common linux utility
Yeah somehow I had never encountered it before and I was expecting something intuitive and easy
That was 100% arandr.
It’s all good, I was lost the first time I used it too.
It gets better when you have to have it save a xrandr script that you then have to change to executable, then put in your configuration file that you want it to run that script every time you login to your os 😅
Yeah same
Lul. I've used Linux for 12 years now as my main OS and I've never seen that. Granted I use KDE.
Still a very shitty GUI, like even I learned better design in college
The boing ball behind you it's a really cool easter egg! I was afraid you would count AmigaOS among the "obscure" systems, but you didn't!
Nice vid! I am actually in a middle of recording a Operating System iceberg video myself. Gotta say, I find it pretty interesting how 90% of these are either unix-like or unix-based. Only a few outliers... shows you how influential Unix was
Remember to include kolibri os and temple os
@@kolotxoz oh don't worry, it goes much deeper than that ;)
Any progress?
@@xanderplayz3446 still in the making!
11:37 You're looking at arandr, a common utility for changing X11 display settings, with the menubar up top and no text on the icons. Sounds like something Apple would implement, I guess mission accomplished?
OMFG... SerenityOS sounds like literally everything I want in a *modern* OS. Retro, classic Windows style at first glance? Check. UNIX-like under the hood? Check. Modern features to bring it kicking and screaming into the present? Hell yes.
Move on over ReactOS. You seemed cool... like two decades ago. But now you're old, still buggy as hell, still can't do much without crashing; becoming more and more obsolete by the day by the evolution of Windows itself, and how many Windows applications would I even care to run these days? Probably like... two.
This is like taking an old Linux distro I used for a bit which used the Equinox Desktop environment... but it sounds like SerenityOS pushed that concept to the max. I can't wait for ISOs to be available and to try this thing out.
One less known OS I have tried is the RISC-OS, it has some weird design choices but otherwise usable OS for any ARM based computer
Trying helloSystem in a virtual machine is unfair because they clearly know there are problems there but it's not worth fixing.
Of course it doesn't excuse the design, but I wouldn't go as far as saying all the issues would appear in bare metal.
I wonder if you tried the nightlies for ReactOS since it's the recommended way of installing it from the developers.
The person responsible for the versioning doesn't want to update it.
I dont know how you could possibly mess up an OS enough to have it not work in virtual machines (asides from drivers, but those clearly weren't the problem here)
How did I not know of this channel before? Great to see Haiku and React getting some love! Keep up the good work, your videos are fantastic!
wait ToaruOS, THAT'S A THING?! lmfao
Toaru is my favourite anime series, all the programs are named after the characters xD
I love how Doom was so ubiquitous with its open source and simple engine that it’s a baseline for the completeness of anything with a computer and screen.
Fun fact:
The engine of Doom is neither open-source nor simple. Doom was sold. For money. By a company. It's just a good game.
If the illustration at 0:08 was accurate, Windows would be bludgeoning Mac and Linux with a tire iron while obscure OS's stare on in horror.
Also helloSystems is ironic since they're doing everything they hate about Apple.
The rotating and opacity feature is also implanted in a WM for Linux called WayFire, and is also available in Hyprland (with about 80 plugins)
I heard of all of those, but then again I watched all the JT vids about obscure OSes :) ToaruOS is so beautiful...
2:46 Wow. That was the first time a "Please subscribe" in the first video I watched of someone actually made me subscribe. I usually discover channels by watching their videos for months without subscribing and then when I'm 100% sure I want that content reliably as soon as it comes out I subscribe.
Welcome! ❤️
Fun fact about react os..
They not only partially rely on wine... But wine also partially relies on react os
Explanation?
So is it any good
Iv tried most Linux versions and still can't get stuff I need to run on wine or crossover I'm looking for a ok for old machines and use all the hp as retro games machines and also simple and chreep machines for teaching ai
Great video! I have a passion for weird OSs and I appreciated this immensely!
24:40 It's so impressive that I personally forgive it for appropriately referencing the word とある in its name
RedoxOS's icons look a lot like Linux Mint's icons. But I like that they're (at least partially) Linux-compatible, which probably makes it about as daily-driveable as Haiku.
They're not Linux-compatible at all in my opinion, Haiku is wayyyyyy more daily-driveable
@@KalosLikesComputers
Well, they state they're source-compatible, so if you're an LFS daily-driver RedoxOS would be no problem for you. And I suspect even some binaries may work. And if you can get WINE to work you have also unlocked Window$-compatibility.
I feel amazed of people putting effort into doing these OSs, even if they know they aren't going to be used. I seriously love it, it makes me happy. Just making software for the sake of it, projects made with passion and love, despite their obvious drawbacks.
I don't know man, that Hello System thing sure looks like a faithful MacOS clone. It hates when you install it on unapproved hardware, it hates when you install applications from outside the approved way of doing so, and it makes the most mondain tasks hard as hell if you step outside the very narrow way it wants you to do them. 10/10, just as big of a dumpster fire as the real thing.
But seriously, I don't know how they screwed all that up. All they had to do was start with NomadBSD/GhostBSD with Gnome or KDE installed and the menubar enabled, do a few thinks to tweak the default menus, then ship it. How do you screw that up?
I'm impressed! I knew about ReactOS and Haiku, but not the others!
I appreciate this video so much! It's been such a blast exploring computer fun. That's why I made the switch from Windows to Ubuntu earlier this year. My computing experience was lacking excitement, and I'd attempted to switch multiple times before. But this time, I fully committed! No dual booting. Computing has become a joy again! If you're in a rut and love tinkering with computers and operating systems, I highly recommend taking the plunge!
It seems like a lot of the people in this sort of community have not used a modern Mac for more than a few minutes, which is fine, unless you want to try and talk about the pros and cons of Mac OS. And, like helloSystem has none of the, uh, whatever the UI equivalent of syntactic sugar is that Mac OS has, while maintaining the overfocus on simplicity and intuitiveness that can simply result in a hard-to-use system. And, like, actual Mac OS doesn't suffer nearly as badly from the oversimplified UI.
macOS is very intuitive and easy to use once you know the basics of its UI. helloSystem can never be that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@KalosLikesComputers Yeah, even if they fix the bugs, it doesn't make sense
Haiku is amazing, I use it on an old laptop since it's very lightweight.
It is worth to look at helen os and temple os please make part two including those oses
BeOS first successor was ZETA from YellowTab. On German RTL shopping channel they even sold a sort MediaBox PC with it preinstalled. ZETA allowed me to boot a system, start a browser (a Swedish FireFox with an English language pack), look up a public transport connection and shut the system down within less than 5 minutes (on a PC that needed about three minutes to boot Windows).
Was hoping this video also covered MenuetOS and it's fork KolibriOS, written completely in assembly.
Well, i'm a Debian Linux User since 1998 and was beginning in 1989 with my Amiga 500 in late 1989, i am using Debian Linux since late 1998, now with Debian 12 Bookworm and KDE Plasma 5, made some Wallpaper since 2002, so many greetings from brunswick in germany and please stay safe 🙃
Omg an ad progress bar. Your great. Now I can speed through an ad I don’t care about or know about and don’t have to worry about passing it up too far
I'll have to try some of these, love Hakiu!
Haiku is the most functional one imo! It's a proper OS at this point despite being in Beta. **glares at ReactOS**
@@KalosLikesComputers Does Haiku implement the Amiga/Mac window decorations easter egg?
if talking about obscure, you gotta talk about OS/2 mate
while it is paid, it is pretty dope, there is a modern continuation called ArcaOS, I don't expect you to necessarily shill out $140 for an obscure OS license, but I would expect at least an outside overview of what it's supposed to be able to do and its history, or something
I was actually going to include osFree, a Russian open-source reimplementation of OS/2, but it was difficult to cover due to the visuals (or lack thereof)
arcaos seems interesting enough. more so than some freebsd fork anyway.
ToaruOS seems to name its functions after characters from Toaru no railgun/index
Qubes is a really neat metaOS that is based around making it VERY easy to use multiple VMs for security isolation.
ToaruOS is really interesting in its ability to rotate windows to any angle and everything still displays properly in them. I wonder how that was accomplished. BTW, how long did it take to build Serenity OS?
Lol I knew all but helloSystem and Toaru OS, but thanks for the finds!
I have a dated Toshiba Satellite notebook upon which I want to install KolibriOS; kinda surprised it wasn't mentioned here. If you do a follow-up, could you talk about Kolibri?
24:06 ELLHNAS NICK ROBINSON FAN NAIIIIIIIIIIII
The only one in this video I hadn't heard of before was helloSystem, which I'm guessing doesn't want you running it in a VM just to make it more difficult to screen record how terrible it is. Although I have to admit I'd only vaguely heard of Redox and Toaru and didn't know much about them.
Haiku's stackable windows thing reminds me of pwm, my favorite Linux window manager back in the early 2000s, and the predecessor to Ion. I was so sad when that window manager stopped working reliably due mostly to changes in Gtk that messed with it.
helloSystem is what happens when you attempt to fix macOS. Makes me think apple has the same issue
macOS is definitely dated, and it needs a truckload of work to modernize, but I think Apple is slowly but surely doing a good job at that.
Thanks for putting the names in the timestamps. also is Minix popular or nah?
Reminds me of the window manager rabbit hole I went down in college.. subjected my self to using ratpoison and xmonad regularly. Not the worse but... it was mildly painful.
It would be really nice to see a port of the Serenity DE + GUI toolkit to both Xorg and Wayland.
Awesome Iceberg layer 2 😊 Hype for Layer 3? like DR Dos? 😅
It'd be so hard to show anything about it haha
You made Glenda sad by forgetting Plan 9... Just like the rust OS, everything is a file with a path in Plan 9 too.
Haiku is legitimately awesome, I really want it to be a thing
Haiku is awesome I used it before but didnt know how to use it so i didn't much. I definitely have to make the taskbar at the bottom that woulld make things less confusing for me. But really cool.
I'm surprised Plan 9 didn't get a mention
HelloSystem feels like everything I can't stand about over-confident programmers.
ToaruOS is beautiful and the creator is a huge inspiration to me. I love it so much!
OK, so that "Hello" OS is just a narcissist bunch of underachievers that nobody should deal with! (Scanning by to 16:31, too much attention to that.) Now next OS!
im pretty sure toaruOS does that because of compiz, something thats been on linux for years now. Ive always used compiz because of its beauty
I feel like hellosystem should’ve been its own video, doesn’t feel right sitting between all these cool OSs that aren’t based on any preexisting platform
i have a folder at work with nearly all os operating systems that can be virtualized. it is not yet finished but i also tried to find the ones that are more obscure. Found some new ones in this video thx. x3 I do not plan on adding very old operating system or all the mac os operating systems tho just some. I do have so so many linux versions tho.
Enjoyed the video, a lot of my career coding was to develop HMI "Human Machine Interface" routines. My OS development "HOBBY" hasn't even yielded anything that could be called obscure. Most OS's I've studied are computer science and software development projects at some obscure college or university. The primary objective is degree credits and NOT fame and fortune so, the code lingers in a state of limbo for years, however, the revival of some of these early OS's do make today's hardware run impressively fast. I believe an OS named DOOM that runs only DOOM is a worthy endeavor.
I dualboot Haiku on my main laptop, have a 64GB partition on the main SSD, abd because did the more tricky EFI install i can boot into it right from the grub menu. its probably the most stable non-linux OS I've used because unlike some of the others it doesnt try to be something it isnt and focuses on doing what it can do well
original beos was super stable and even with questionable drivers in the years after it's discontinuation it wasn't an actual problem if the sound subsystem crashed completely because you could restart that part without having to reboot. I had 200+ days of uptime on the leaked dano build that was somewhat popular amongst beos hobbyists 20 years ago. used that computer for irc and mp3 playing. 10/10 on outdated hardware of the time.
Awsome video I am subbing! (side note RIP Terry)
You can rotate windows in Weston as well
Kalos is back!!
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As a person into the Toaru series, I had a heart attack when I heard ToaruOS
I made a fork for those who want to try building up on it I guess
Video starts at THREE TWELVE 3:12
It's almost like there are chapters in the video progress bar for that!
the jacksfilms esc haiku was so beautiful~
the "kill me" was the best part uwu
You should do a video about alternative Windows Shells and desktops.
Just reading the title I was worried the video would only cover stuff normies hadn't heard of, but as soon as the intro started and you said we wouldn't be covering Temple OS or HannahMontana linux I knew this was made for true OS enthusiasts
haiku's tabs make me miss fluxbox, that was my window manager for like 15 years, i finally switched to xfce4 full time a couple years ago. also, i really really wanna be able to crop windows. i can scale them in xfce4, but crop baby -- that's what i need
If you're using X rather than Wayland, you can replace xfwm4 with fluxbox.
@@danielamdurer1779 oh i know, i switched to xfwm4 for other reasons
The documentation is the link to the course to build your own 😂 legendary
GEOS
**Robert Downey Jr explaining why you never go Full Commodore**
(Also I see that Amiga ball)
I'd straight up use some of these with the Mario Tennis browser
Full disclosure on the Jakt programming language: Andreas Kling said the language would have minimal movement anyways as more focus is on the LadyBird web browser and SerenityOS (which is purposefully not meant for tire kickers according to Andreas) since Jakt by his own admission transpiles to C++ anyway, so why bother when he could entirely use C++ for everything?
As someone who still prefers point and click adventures I hoped the question would be "Can it run ScummVM?" which, as long as you have the data files for them, runs hundreds of those kind of games.
I've seen that screen settings pane from hellosystem, before, some kind of Linux but I can't remember.
No plan9?
Let's go finally a video
Yes, but does Serenity have the hotdog theme?
All joking aside, the mention of a paint-like program has me wondering about art programs in nonstandard OSes. I know Krita can work in Linux, but that's the one I can think of off the top of my head. I would hope there's a weird world of just strange, hidden utilities out there, just vibin.
This video made me realize it's only a matter of time before someone runs Crysis on their fridge.
(There's no joke there, it's only a matter of time)
The app used for display resolution in hellosystem exist in Linux it's a front-end for xrander.
Right but I expected something different/easy! I mean this is basic stuff!
Is it the same Jeremy soler from system76?
Oh my god, it is. How did I miss that??
Someone needs to show these to Vargskelethor Joel.
i want serenity to turn into an actively developed os. it looks so cool. like would it be cool if there was an easy way for developers to compile windows apps quickly to serenity?
That would be very difficult due to the fact that they are fundamentally extremely different OSes but it should be more user friendly I agree!
@@KalosLikesComputers I know that there are a LOT of differences but like imagine like you only had to change that
#include to serenity.h or smth or maybe tweak some things to easily port apps. I think it would be more reasonable to port linux apps to serenity bc theyre both unix-like.
@@KalosLikesComputers also i love the helloSystem bit. fav part of the video.
@@KalosLikesComputers yeah porting linux apps to serenity makes much more sense
There was a OS I saw on one of these list where the entire thing was written in assembly, gui and all.
Ooo if you find it please hop over to the discord to tell me what it is I'd be super interested to check it out
@@KalosLikesComputers MenuetOS and KolibriOS are what I got from a quick google search
It might have been MenuetOS or its fork KolibriOS?
11:47 no way... that's literally just the Linux program Arandr, with no changes 😭 fully custom OS my ass
First, you sound exactly like I do when dealing with badly designed UI. Second, I've daydreamed about winning the lottery and creating an OS from BSD something like macOS, but you know... a lot less evil. And now with helloSystem, I know exactly what not to do.
Your mike is a real life death star lol.
The most batshit obscure OS has to be Temple OS, if you have never heard of it Temple OS was written by a mentally ill software engineer who said it was divinely inspired.
It's mentioned in the first 5 seconds of the video and at this point anyone who is active on TH-cam knows everything about it
The only one I'd consider obscure is Toaru OS. They're all interesting and who knows what the future will bring.
Yeah i heard of them. Here's some OSes that *YOU'VE* never heard of
Minix
A/UX (Apple Unix!)
Ultrix
Mklinux
VINO
I love nerds who still use can it run Doom as a standard 😂 this traditional should never die, though we may want to create some higher stakes benchmarks at some point.