CORRECTIONS: I misheard Midegah at one point and misquoted by accident, Midegah said: "I am NOT who you think I am, you are who you think I am..." This statement however remains unclear, my original point is and remains that this statement is vague and not intelligible for the following reasons: 1) we are not sure who people think Midegah is, nevertheless I have heard it claimed that Midegah represents The Davidic Servant, I was able to address this issue in the video. 2) If we ALL are the Davidic Servant (or whoever), then that would in fact mean that everyone is the Davidic Servant including Midegah. 3) This statement could be interpreted as a statement of faux humility, for example: I'm not the hero, all you are the true hero. Additionally an error was made regarding the ownership of the Land at the Temple Lot. While it is true that The Church owns land in and around the area, the actual Temple Lot is not owned by The Church. This doesn't change my original point either. Midegah seems interested in building a Temple on Temple Lot regardless of who owns it, because of what he describes as Telestial Law. Thank you! 😊
I have nothing but compassion for Chief Midegah. That being said, I have deep concerns about his contentious behavior. I know he has probably been through a lot in his life, but that doesn't justify his behavior at all. Many of us have been through a lot and don't disrespect others. I am also curious about his standing in the church. I honestly stopped listening to him a long time ago, because I didn't feel the Holy Spirit when listening to him. I will follow the Prophet and heed his counsel.
Absolutely, I feel that his message is not Christ centered or scripture based. The biggest red flag I felt is his attitude and spirit of contention, the spirit was not there so I listen to one then stopped listening.
Wow have you met Chief Medigah in person ?? Well I have and the first time I seen him the Holy Spirit poured out to me. I've worked in Temple over ten years now am 74 years old and can say I know when I feel the Holy Spirit. I feel you are twisting his words he has said for all LDS people to follow our Prophet and he has a current reconmend he us not satan he has never said for us to follow him. Wow what a person u are
@@dianasantacruz8614 Why would he hold all the scrolls and other divine “facts” if real as ransom until he is honored or given some prominent recognition by LDS leaders? Why not come forward with everything quietly and in reverence not seeking attention or recognition and give the glory to God? Seems there is an effort to get personal gain of some sort in exchange for what he supposedly has. Major red flag.
I had been watching him along with the folks with Zion Media for some time and with a genuinely open mind. I have come to the same conclusion as you. There seems to be a sincere effort on their part to gain greater knowledge, but very little emphasis on sharing the gospel, serving our fellow man and gathering zion in the way the prophet has described. Additionally, i sense a lot of bitterness and hostility toward the church from many of their guests and as you mentioned, a subtle effort to not say too much. I hope he accepts your invitation to clarify his statements.
Thank you for articulating all of these points so well. I agree with you! One thing I read a few years ago (I think it was in Brother Lund's book The Second Coming of the Lord) was that the Lost Tribes will come to Ephraim (represented by the modern Church) to receive their crown - or, in other words, their temple blessings. Because they will recognize that Ephraim has the priesthood authority and keys in these days to officiate in those covenants. The lost tribes will recognize and honor priesthood authority as the Lord has organized it - not go off and do their own thing. This is also why they will bring their treasure (their sacred records) to the tribe of Ephraim (represented by the modern Church).
Do you mean that Ephraim holds the keys to gather Israel? The house of Ephraim leads the missionary work in the last days. That does not mean to say that the other tribes are not to be found helping with the gathering amongst the current (and past) proselyting missionaries of the restored gospel; They are indeed...But Ephraim leads in this work.
@@burpleflemingo7034 Yes, absolutely. I say Ephraim because that's how the Restored Church is referred to in these verses in the Doctrine and Covenants. This is in section 133, "30 And they shall bring forth their rich treasures unto the children of Ephraim, my servants." and "32 And there shall they fall down and be crowned with glory, even in Zion, by the hands of the servants of the Lord, even the children of Ephraim." The Lord uses Ephraim here as shorthand for the entire church and the valuable work of those in ALL of the tribes who have already been gathered. But He uses Ephraim because they have the primary responsibility for missionary work and church leadership during this season of gathering.
My spidy senses went on red alert the first time I saw a long interview he gave to another podcaster. He spent 2 hours talking about how wonderful he was. It wasn’t very hard at all to see he’s not a good source. You are being too nice about it.
I agree with you. If you observe the actions of David Taylor across the spectrum of videos and interviews with various youtubers it will be painfully obvious that his house is not in order and the spirit of his message is on the surface welcoming and uplifting there are red flags that cannot be overlooked. He is trying to serve two masters and in doing so is neglecting his primary supposed allegiance to Christ first and foremost. His efforts to be recognized by LDS leadership is another area of concern. He is threatening legal action if his demands are not to his satisfaction. Anyone who is coalition building to fight against the LDS church in this manner deserves questioning.
This was very well put. I appreciate how you outlined the good and contrast that with the red flags. A lot of this is how I felt for a while about him. I am most concern about others who are on board with him and seem to resist plain and precious truths about why this is problematic. This video was a breath of fresh air.
I really appreciate your ability to stay within the guidelines that the church has established for following the profits and sustaining them and being as charitable as possible, when calling out those who seem to be strain from the bounds, the Lord has sat within his kingdom
This guy is just getting under my skin!! I ask where are the Lamanites (the Natives of this land)? Where are they who will be the ones to build this temple in Missouri? Notice he is going straight to the Jews Not the NATIVE people! I am Native myself full blood, and here is this guy who just shows up out of nowhere like we have been warned in the last days... If he is who he proclaims to be the one, where are the Natives? They would be there by the thousands, but he has not the following! Take a look at this scripture, D&C 50:17-20 17 Verily I say unto you, he that is ordained of me and sent forth to preach the word of truth by the Comforter, in the Spirit of truth, doth he preach it by the Spirit of truth or some other way? 18 And if it be by some other way it is not of God. 19 And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive it by the Spirit of truth or some other way? 20 If it be some other way it is not of God. I am going by the Spirit and the Spirit tells me this guy is NOT who he says he is, he sounds good and very knowledgeable but you can pick up books and become learned, and he is too much of a radicule of a Lamanite. Sure a lot has happened to the Natives of this land, but do I as a Lamanite carry that in my heart? No, for if I hold those things in my heart I will be hardened and cannot learn, grow and carry the Good Spirit in my heart and would keep me from developing the Testimony of truth restored! I know the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true and the Book of Mormon is true and is the book of my ancestors! It is through Prayer and study I know it to be...
And the Chief ignores the fact that all the various tribes would cause harm to each other. It’s not exclusive for the white Anglo-saxons, etc. Sadly, horrible things have been committed by all groups of people.
I really like your ideas on this. Thank you for your kind and thoughtful words. I agree with your thoughts on having the priesthood authority for the building and working of the sacred Temples. I remember Joseph being challenged several times with members who thought they were receiving revelation for the church and the Lord said very clearly how Joseph was His prophet and no revelation for the church will come from another.
I'm glad that finally someone is addressing that because there has always been something at the back of my mind regarding this man. I see a few red flags, that's why I don't follow him, but follow the Prophet. I don't doubt that he might have a truth to tell, but I also know that the adversary is the master of counterfeit.
I also have concerns with his anger, contention is the adversary i don't feel the spirit when I listen to him.i have no ill feeling towards him though like the comment above i will give him grace❤
I have felt the same way. He seems to wrest if you might say about the Book of Mormon and really that what records he has is more true or of more importance. He has several times has been that way and I just turned him off and watched something more uplifting. He comes across very arragant. (Sp)
I have been praying about him and his messages and follower! We are all human and subject to error. It is possible he’s being a part of gathering others to the church! Stay tuned!
I have never felt the Spirit from him just from Mr Midegah. His delivery is off. I sense anger, I sense pride. I sense some instability. I know we are to do many good things of our own free will, but I note that nothing he is doing is under the direction of the one man who holds the keys for the gathering of Isreal- doesn't feel right to me. I have heard him in video angrily challenge the prophet, I have heard him make threats to members that things will not turn out well for them - for not believing in him. Also he continually lectures members. Something is just off.
I’ve had the same impressions listening to him, and that’s why I don’t believe he has anything to offer members of the church. I’ll stick with the Lord’s chosen prophets and apostles.
You misquoted him actually, he said “I’m not who you think I am, you are who you think I am” Clearly has said he is not the davidic servant or anything like that. At the beginning he was rather withheld, but lately he makes it clear he is not who some think he is
I will correct this. Thank you. I think it should be noted still that this phrase is still confusing and unclear. So for example, if we are who we think he is, then does that make all of us the Davidic Servant. Again it is unclear what he thinks people think.
My experience is you have a very balanced and even generous approach and things to say, about this supposed individual. Thank you for helping encourage us to have discernment and wisdom and the Holy Spirit. 🙏
Thank you for this!! I really needed to watch this. I’ve watched videos of his awhile back and thought it was interesting and exciting and then watched one where I thought he sounded contentious and I felt differently about him, unsure and wary. Then watched a recent one where he was talking very vaguely like only people with “insider” information or insinuating that only those who had the Spirit would have eyes to see and understand, it felt very off and strange. I didn’t know he was claiming to be the David servant perhaps or something close to that or about the temples. I had been praying for discernment about him and I feel I just got answers to my prayer. Thank you.
They just had someone else called Lindvist or something on their Zion Podcast a day ago claiming to be a Davidic Servant. The problem with this on that Zion Podcast is that they are zealous to want to know the mysteries of God. Its okay to know the mysteries of God or have visions if it keeps you safe in your covenants. But it sounds like the lionharts of that Podcast want everybody to just get up and follow after the chef and join with his people and no longer follow the prophet of the church....The Pickerings I don't trust either because it looks like they interpret the mysteries of the old testament of the signs of the last days for the members. It is possible to get so caught up in watching signs of the times daily updates coming from all these last days websites that you fail to stay focused on following the prophet on the covenant path. For gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil is going to take up most of all our time and attention to do. So I don't have time to go through these hundreds of last days signs videos of the times websites or their go through all their last days scripture study courses. I got no time for all that when I'm busy gathering israel on both sides of the veil and trying to do what the prophet has asked of us in conference.
My gut instinct is there is nefarious and unspoken agendas at play that will shortly be reveled who is in the wrong. I will err on the side of staying close to the Spirit that accompanies the counsel of our Prophet and He who is at the head of the Church, even Jesus Christ. David is trying to serve two masters and in doing so is neglecting his primary supposed allegiance to Christ first and foremost. His efforts to be recognized by LDS leadership is another area of concern. He is threatening legal action if his demands are not to his satisfaction. Anyone who is coalition building to fight against the LDS church in this manner deserves questioning. Why not come forward with everything quietly and in reverence not seeking attention or recognition and give the glory to God? Seems there is an effort to get personal gain of some sort in exchange for what he supposedly has. Major red flag. Rise Zion is doing great work to expose this.
You are 100% correct on the Davidic servant being Joseph Smith. If you read his various patriarchal blessing she has much work to do and will come back as a resurrected individual. His return I would think is not far off. Now concerning this chief character he is outside of the Lords line of authority through his prophet and apostles. I don't think there is any need to be cautious but to flee from him and his statements. The fact the prophet and apostles are not having on going conversations speaks volumes.
Yes while it's true that the Church doesn't hold a monopoly on truth, it is true that the only thing we need to do is to follow the Prophet and God's direction to us, for our personal salvation. If we are prone to being deceived it would be wise to just avoid extra stuff.
@ you make a great and true point. You are correct the church nor prophets have a monopoly on truth. This individual claims he has authority due to where his ancestors came from much like the Levite tribe. As we know the Lord only has one prophet authorized in his name to be his spokesman on the earth at 1 time. That's Prs Nelson and then will be Prs. Oaks etc... their purpose is to call and bring all into Christ through covenants with the Father through Christ. This individuals mission seems intent on gaining a war and for people to acknowledge the wrongs that his people have had much like the woke movement among some very liberal individuals pushing for reparations for blacks. Nothing to do with brining others unto God or Christ. Appreciate your content and what you share though I think our culture at times clouds our language with caution when there needs be none. What does Moroni warn us of in the last days repeatedly? Priestcraft over and over and over.
@@machellethehealersartdisco6985 correct he was marred check and what better way to be healed then resurrected? Again check the foot note it goes to D&C and highlights this the greatest of any prophet in the dispensations aside from Christ.
I’m an adopted member of the Cattaraugus Indian Tribe of upper state New York and love our Native American brothers and sisters. My neighbor gave me a copy of “AYAHTKUHYAHT NEMENHAH” the book Medigah is selling. I found it a bit strange that all of the names are similar to the way they are spelled and pronounced in our Book of Mormon. Examples: Nephi - Nayfe, Jacob - Jahcohb, Lehi - Lehb, Moroni - Mohrhonayah, Hagoth - Hagotit. I’ve tried but I just can’t get into the book.
Midigah is not selling anything. The translated Nemanhah Records are a completely different thing, from a completely different source and Tribe. Regardless of what you think you feel...a lie is a lie and when others pass it on they become the liars too. The Church has copies of the Nemenhah Records and used to keep it displayed, did you know that? They were found in Utah. The birch bark scrolls are in Canada. Held by the Ojibwe Tribe in Ontario. They are teachings like all Tribes have. No one claims them to be scripture.
I love the Iroquois people. I feel there are many of them whom Joseph Smith associated with as Joseph learned from them, and they were taught by Joseph.
Thank you for this. I initially thought Midegah was an interesting fellow, but the minute I sensed his resentment toward the keys of the kingdom, I tuned him out. I wasn’t even aware he plans to build a temple in independence.
I thought he had interesting things to say as you did but his contention caused me to turn him off. I ran quickly in the opposite direction. He will cause great harm just like Laman did.
Hey brother, I’m new to your podcast. Thank you for warning us of deceptions in these days. This is sooooooo essential for us at this time ! Thanks again !
Thank you for having the courage to voice your concerns on this. I too have listened to a few Chief Midegah's interviews, and have very similar concerns. I also have similar concerns about other folks within our faith who set themselves up as some kind of special 'innovator' within the faith who is trying to get the church to go in a specific direction by insinuating, albeit in a very subtle way, that our church leaders are somehow falling short by not agreeing with their ideas and opinions, making it appear that they themselves are on the right track while our church leaders have in some respects been deceived. I see similar things happening within the Heartland movement, as many members seem to really idolize the main proponents of that movement, to the point where I worry that some of them may lose faith in our church leaders in favor of the leaders of the Heartland movement. In fact, I see many in the Heartland movement who also idolize Chief Midegah because he tells them a lot of what they want to hear. His stories and rhetoric tends to reinforce what they already believe very strongly about Book of Mormon geography, and he sounds very convincing and certain of what he believes. So I see things like this as a wake-up call to members to prioritize what the scriptures and our current church leaders say, ahead of what others may say, be they members of our faith or not, however much we may admire them, and however much we may really want to believe them. I think this is especially true when the person in question is setting themself up as some sort of special authority with a position on a topic that contradicts the church's official position on that topic, or that implies that the church is heading in the wrong direction, or that implies that they have some special knowledge or revelation that really should come through the first presidency and council of the 12. We would be wise to see those as warning flags. It is also a wake-up call for us to endeavor to have the Holy Spirit with us always as a personal guide to help us to discern between truth and error, as well as to give us comfort and guidance.
You're right it's so tempting to believe what we want to hear. I think a lot of what Midegah says is interesting and worthy of consideration, but maybe not all of it is 100% accurate.
I think Midegah has some awesome points and presents clear evidence that Nephite temple ordinances were given to the Natives of this continent, but my concern is that he seems to claim that the “priesthood” authority that his tribe has is just as authoritative as the Priesthood restored through JS, and he seems to imply that his tribe was never in apostasy and preserved everything since the time of the Nephites, which negates the doctrine of the Great Apostasy.
And weren’t they all destroyed 🤔 Mormon and Moroni speak of that. I mean I guess a small remnant could have been preserved, but I feel like the Lord would let us know about that. I love that his scrolls bring so much evidence of the BOM, I don’t need the evidence, but it’s still very interesting.
Absolutely right. He is a cultural leader, not a spiritual leader. He has great potential for good, and because of that, he has as much potential for harm and deception. He and others have fundamental deviations from core doctrine and I believe he thinks he knows better than our Church leaders and he has made many false assumptions and taken offense. I love him, I do not agree with everything.
@ when I have talked with him and Zion Media, they seem to have issue with keys and authority and are not aware of much of our own doctrine in D&C, and take obscure things to mean what they want. They disagree and say the Spirit tells them. I have been preparing a response, hopefully this weekend.
@ I did an interview with them and they kept pushing stuff we know isn’t true. I had hope to share truth among those seeking excitement, I was not intriguing enough for them 😆
@@Thehaystack7999 One of the things they were pushing with one guy they had on there saying that we should respect the agency of the devil and his angles because God still loves them. I don't accept that. As D&C 76 tells me they become vessels of God's wrath who sin unto perdition..
Chief Midegah was called by the Indian r Native American people to represent the m. He comes across abrasive. He has a lot to work on. I'm concerned, but feel he needs to be given grace. Ive always wondered why the Native American people have to live on reservations. I have worked with some of them as a nurse. I have family/friends who had some of these Native American children living with them. Seems it was a mixed bag of good and bad happening. I'm on guard, yet hopeful for mainly good things to happen.
I was one of the speakers at the event in Missouri (I am the guy in a suit with British accent). I met and spoke with Chief Middegah in person. He means well, just needs to refine how he delivers his message.
Thank you for your comment. I'm very concerned about some of his comments about the apostles and prophets. But maybe he can change this stance or clarify his remarks.
Thanks for taking on this topic. I love that when I look to Christ, I see the prophets and apostles. They are aligned with Him. Anyone else who stands directly in that line of truth and authority, I will gladly follow. Not because I'm following them, but because we're both following Christ and His Prophet. If I have to turn my sights even a little from that goal, I know it is not going to bring me closer to Christ. The Prophet already told us how to build Zion and prepare for the Second Coming. Be a peacemaker, repent daily, stay on the covenant path, think Celestial, spend time in the temple, focus on Christ, and help gather Israel on both sides of the veil. That's plenty to keep me busy!
Midega doesn’t understand our own scriptures. He fails to see that the remnant will be brought the gospel, the gospel of Christ that his people rejected, by the gentiles. Not the other way around. He thinks his people were righteous and preserved the gospel separately from the nephites and lamanites but I don’t see any evidence of that other than apostate parts of the temple ceremony that they carried through to their sweat lodges
But my question is are we doing a good enough job of fulfilling our stewardship of bringing the gospel to the remnant? Why has it taken so long? Are we waiting for something? I do wish to see more of conversion of the lamanites.
@ I agree. I hope he will seek help soon enough. Do you mind my asking did David Taylor believe he was called to build a Temple without the President’s and the Twelve’s blessing or the Priesthood keys?
I match the same sentiment about chief midegah as you shared. Additionally, I think he unfortunately sketched out a line in the sand that's not going to be particularly welcomed by a good portion of Zion Media followers. Red flags were at first speculative and the conscience gives a chance... only now the red flags are clearly waving now. Which is really unfortunate with Mr Taylor having a fantastic drive. It's just out of order. And reminds a lot of us about stranger danger examples in the book of mormon. I think it's also unfortunately a pivotal time for Zion Media in the wrong direction. I can't help but think of the pressure they are feeling like they've consequently adopted an issue that's like pine pitch in hair -- where it ain't gonna get any easier to remove it than to just cut it out. Keeping an eye on their membership numbers every day since Missouri gathering. And although they crossed into 11k my guess is between covering midegah from here on out and the very risky far out in left field topics they've been milling out...I think their numbers are gonna drop. Zion Media used to feel like it was producing because they love it. Now it seems driven by other ambitions and goals which has clearly affected the quality of its content. And honestly, being a member of a tribe myself, midegah has gotta know he's being played as the t and a for Zion Media. (It's literally THE history of the moving picture, ref. "Real Injun" for quick insights). And honestly...I really don't think they'd dispute that either.
Just like anything we have doubts or questions about ... Go straight to the Lord, fast, pray and ask with a sincere heart and ask for discernment. I don't know why we have to count on men to help us figure this out... Go to the Lord! Men can lead u astray, the Lord will never!
@Crikey420 where did Chief Midegah clame that he is God? Many people act like he said this is the new scripture. He is proclaiming what he and others have back the Book of Mormon up.
I completely agree with you on all of this. I have not felt comfortable while listening to Midegah and appreciate your insite in this podcast. Thank you!!
Yes thank you for that. I think I will make a short addressing this error later. However I would still note that the phrase is still ambiguous. And it still means he believes that he may be the Davidic Servant, if we all are the Davidic Servant.
I too had a hard life growing up but it’s because of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that I strive to become better and to follow the prophets and apostles. That’s where safety lies. But once you start contending and speaking ill of them we are on a very slippery slope. It’s okay to have compassion, we all should but we must be wise in what we allow into our lives.
You handled this very well. I had been following Chief Midegah on Zion Media and thought, like you, that he may have a purpose in gathering his people. I was not concerned that he wanted to build a 'native' temple, not an LDS temple but I was concerned with one of his short videos where he was contentious and I felt his pride may be his downfall. I got the impression that Church leaders were not responding to his cause. However, I believe he was probably tired since it was right after the conference and he had traveled a long way. He then put out another short video trying to downplay what he said previously. I have not watched much since then but curious to see how things play out. I never heard him claim he is the Davidic servant although I heard others say they thought he might be. I also believe he is a good guy and perhaps he has a mission to fulfill in gathering his people but I don't believe he is a prophet. I hope he doesn't succumb to pride and is patient in working out the problems with the marriage records in an appropriate manner.
No I don't think he has ever said he was the Davidic servant either, directly. I'm actually quite confused by some of his statements I'd like some additional clarification. People believe that he is that servant though, so that is good to respond to in either case. Thank you for your comment. 🙂
Maybe you mention this later in the vid, but I’m pretty sure that only the prophet has the keys to direct the building of temples. So yes, that’s a red flag.
I respect him, and he has a testimony of Jesus and the church, only we need to understand he represent a big Tribe, and he are trying to became one, we need to have Patience and love for all he is doing, is not easy what he is doing!!! and why we need to believe you? well is the same with him, just we need to have patience.
I feel like he has a good spirit and I wish his people can heal from the trauma they’ve endured. and maybe he really is laying the groundwork for the gathering, but also I think he’s not the prophet. But I am excited for a lot more of them and the Jews to enter the waters of baptism and to learn from them and also the lost 10 tribes.
Some comments here. This is like reading about how unjust Nephi was to his brothers. Wash rinse repeat history. Poor Laman and Lemuel. It isn't fair! They were so mistreated. Tread cautiously today. I am thankful for the scriptures so we can see patterns.
Basically I’m agreeing that there’s lots of red flags but I’m going to remain hopeful that he and his people can heal from the trauma they have endured. Similar to me remaining hopeful to anyone who leaves or gets deceived that they’d see the errors of their way. This was actually giving me Hiram page vibes.
I was at the conference in Missouri. I heard Midegah speak with my own ears, I was on the front row. You unfortunately misquoted him right out of the gate. He Did Not say, “I am who you think I am”, which you then insinuate could be a reference to the Davidic servant. What he actually said was: “I am NOT who you (pointing to audience) think I am. YOU are who you think I am”. IMHO he was telling us there listening to him that we were all the Lord’s endtime servants and to quit following in the arm of flesh or waiting to be told what to do next but to go directly to the Lord and get our marching orders for the day. He was instilling confidence in all those listening that we could go get our own revelation/dreams/visions etc. I encourage you to review the tape…
The problem is that these rather vague terms are confusing and can mean whatever you want them to mean. People do believe he is the David servant, but again I'm not really sure what he means when he says you are who I think I am. Another interpretation could be false modesty: I'm not the hero, all of you are the true heroes.... That's not exactly a denial. I would like some clarification as to what was actually meant directly from Midegah. But if he comes on this show, I'm not going to let him just talk, I will be asking some serious questions that deserve serious answers.
My Patriatical blessing says, I will be able to participate in the completion of the Lord's work upon this Earth. Why is it that the L-DS thinks they are the only ones that can gather God's people and build Temples? From Tili Ayala
It's because of the transformative power of the priesthood. The priesthood isn't just authority to act in God's name. It literally transforms us into the house of Israel, making the blessings of Abraham apply to them upon entering into covenant with God. Indeed you will be able to help participate, but because God is not the author of confusion we must act with proper authority. This helps keep everything in order.
I think he may have been mislead by people who didn't have his best interest in mind. It happens when you have important roles. Some will try to lead you off your path. Some will help guide.
Please could you consider checking out the Chanel he was featured on before- Zion media, they have some decent videos. But from what I remember they also were questioning President Nelson’s advice on the Covid vaccine, they also had a guest who was talking about astrology, and lost texts that they believe could be scripture. Sometimes I’m listening and some red flags are flying for sure. Anyone else? 😅
Yes I've seen it as well, there are some interesting things on that channel. We just have to be careful not to believe everything, always following the prophet.
Chief Midegah has not made any claim to be the davidic servant, the opposite actually. He says he is not a prophet of the church but he is one for his people (the Ojibwe). He still has a lot to learn, some edges to get knocked off but he does have good intentions. I have been at both of his last two live events, provided a/v for the last one. I am just sitting on the sidelines watching and waiting for the egg to fully hatch.
Thank you for your comment. I think it is possible he could be a prophet for his people. As long as he does not contradict the Prophet, President Nelson.
Yeah I was intrigued on some other programs on TH-cam at first but he seems like he wants to call out the church and gen authorities. Like because he is Native American he has more authority than they do. I heard he got kicked out of general conference but I am not sure that is true.
He did say he did... but didn't tell the whole story, whatever it is. Only made it seem like it was racist or something. There is a lot more history between him and the church i think
True, many people who should know better are ascribing more to Midegah than would be wise. But Midegah, himself, is not the source of those mis-placed and mis-guided views. He, himself, has said that he is not who many seem to think he is, and “if you believe in Jesus, then follow Jesus”, etc. It is not right to fault someone for what others say about him over which he has no control and does not encourage, and openly tries to correct.
I don't know, Midegah doesn't seem to be doing much to correct the record. As I mentioned, at the conference they had, he said something to the effect of he is who they think he is... I'm not sure what that means.
@@Rise_Zion Anyone in the public eye knows, or learns quickly, that it is unproductive and unwise to get sucked into addressing all of the references, direct and indirect, true or false, that fly around them - it is like trying to control clouds of smoke out of the atmosphere to put it in a bottle. Instead, one learns to focus primarily on one’s objective, try to do well, and try to accept that people will to speak of you as they will. The Church takes this approach - they choose to address particularly important episodes of public sentiment, but otherwise stay the main course without getting hung up on those who fault them for not responding to one criticism or another. That they do not address every false criticism raised against them is not a valid reason to fault them for what someone else claims about them. Midegah is right to avoid diverting an inordinate amount of time and fruitless effort toward containing smoke from someone else’s fire. But he has, in fact, taken time to make an effort. The following recent example makes his message clear to those who make him out to be more than he has ever given them reason to conclude: “In relation to a lot of the comments about people looking for a magical mystery man who's going to fix all your problems, if you're followers of Jesus Christ follow Jesus Christ and if you believe that there's a Heavenly Father follow Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father. There's not going to be any man who's going to solve all your problems.” … “As people try to project things upon me that I've said many times that I'm not who you think I am.” … “Follow your Savior; that's what you should follow, all right? Thank you.” We should be helping to clear the air, not fanning smoke. Agree with him or not, it is not right to fault someone for what someone else says about them.
We know many false prophets are about in the world We can listen to many of them, and actually believe some, but we can only trust our ordained Prohets, Seers and Revelators
As an independent people with Lodges I feel they can restore prehistoric temples and conduct Native American or First American rites as they do today (even sealings of their own design) We honored all Spanish speaking peoples of North south and Central America in the conference center with their cultural program last Saturday Similar recognition could be given to the variety of other First Americans in accordance with church sponsored cultural activities I am grateful he has a relationship with his stake president in Canada visits his sons regularly in Germany and yearns for the preservation of languages, records and a cultural center much like the Polynesian center in Hawaii. He may advance the cause mentioned in the Book of Mormon that upon Christ’s visit there were no more ite’s. Brighamite’s should welcome that without lessening our position in the Restoration. Less contention less division if we all choose to follow Christ and his living Prophet in these momentous days.
I just disagree on the point that they would be able to do sealing they would need the priesthood for that. They could do rites for educational purposes generally.
Wow. Thank you for the show and Thank you to those of you who have expressed how I feel when I listen to Midega. I too have compassion for what the American Indian has been through… our government has not been kind to them, and for him personally, as he has experienced brutality of his own. But honestly, I can’t understand what he says; I know he’s speaking English but it doesn’t make sense. All I gather is an anger (perhaps righteous) toward others and a lack of humility. I keep thinking maybe the Spirit is muddling my ears so I’m not deceived 😅. (God forgive me if I’m wrong; if I am, I pray I become undeceived!)
I had instant ‘vibes’ the first time I saw him. I threw out the question that Gods house is a house of order, so how do you relate to current priesthood keys. He went on a big rant which included speaking ill of the brethren. Asked, answered. He’s a counterfeit. I was actually disappointed. I hope he’ll put down his ambitions and pride. He is in a position to bring many to the gospel.
Honestly when I see any LDS TH-camr bringing Midegah on anymore will just skip over. Not only him building temple on the 24 temple complex lot is so wrong but now he’s asking for donations etc for his living which kinda echos Joel Osteen or Billy Graham (priest crafts). It is bizarre that people are fawning over him like he is a prophet, but then again we are to expect false prophets here in the last days.
I think you need to be careful before you pass judgement on Chief Midegah. Have you sought direction from the Holy Ghost as to whether he is right or wrong, or are you using your own wisdom to pass judgement. Remember the family of Lehi were building temples before the church was restored. The Nephites and righteous Lamanites had the priesthood before Joseph Smith did. And it has not been taken away from the 3 Nephites and presumably they ordained other MP holders down through the ages among that remnant of Lehi's family. If God chooses to use someone other than a church leader to help the Lehites, that is certainly his prerogative. As for confusedwhynot, David's behavior could be because the church who is supposed to help his people fulfill their destiny, so far has rejected him and his pleas, much like the Nephites did to Samuel. Pray for the Holy Ghost to give us all wisdom in truth. Not our own preconceived ideas about what's God plan is for the next few years. He can call anyone he wants to to do His bidding.
Yes I take care to seek guidance for every episode I create. These are matters of eternal consequence. So what I said is said in the spirit of caution and following The Prophet, President Nelson.
The gathering of the scattered remnant of the lost tribes from the north could refer to many members of the tribe of Ephraim joining the church in northern Europe during the early days of the church. We seem to forget that Ephraim is a lost tribe.
I am trying to remember which church president it was but when asked if he was a prophet, seer and revelator his response was "That is what the people say I am". So Midegah saying that "I am what you think I am" isn't so far fetched.
I sustain our prophet Russell M. Nelson and the 12 Apostles as the Lord's chosen servants. I don't know about the Davidic servant. But what about D & C 113 where Joseph Smith asks what the rod and stem of Jesse means. It seems like that points to a different Davidic servant because it says, "who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim,"
A good question, these questions were not actually posed by Joseph Smith himself but rather by other people. The ensign to the nations is Joseph Smith. All of the priesthood keys are given through him, including the key of resurrection, by Jesus Christ.
While I think he has a message that needs to be heard regarding the records of his people and their ancient stories, laws etc, and even their connection with the writings of the BoM Prophets, I cannot help but feel the hurt, angst and sometimes threats in the tones of his words. The speech patterns to me are not peaceful, hopeful nor uniting. I admire his cause and his desire but any recognition of more than a voice for Indigenous tribes, that he maybe an authorised latter day prophet to build Temples, is beyond reason at this point in time.
That's true, thank you for your comment. I am curious how the scroll translations will be presented, will they be presented as scripture, or as a potentially faith supporting record that should be examined scientifically first. It is interesting to me.
The Chief makes some intellectually interesting points, but I am going to hold fast to the iron rod and follow those who I know are authorized servants of the Savior. Letting God prevail in my life and earnestly striving to keep my covenants takes most of my time anyway.
David Taylor AKA: David Taylor Barker Born: May 29,1978, Nez Perce County, Idaho AKA: Midegah Ogichidaa AKA: Chief Midegah 4 Nephi 1:15-17 Book of Mormon 15 And it came to pass that there was no contention in the land, because of the love of God which did dwell in the hearts of the people. 16 And there were no envyings, nor strifes, nor tumults, nor whoredoms, nor lyings, nor murders, nor any manner of lasciviousness; and surely there could not be a happier people among all the people who had been created by the hand of God. 17 There were no robbers, nor murderers, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God. "It would be wise to forsake all ungodly traditions and customs, repent of sin, and turn to God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become clean and united in the covenants of Israel." -Least of These
I think you bring up some excellent points. I started following him a bit because he kept bringing up the tribes scriptures and I wanted to see what they said but when he kept dragging it out I felt he had ulterior motives. I also wondered why he didn't take the scriptures through proper channels such as the church historian so they could be properly validated?
That's is a good question. Well I'm in the process of trying to talk with Midegah to see if he can clarify some of these things. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
My problem, about this whole situation is, I have watched several videos and interviews with Chef Midegha and to solve the truthfulness and accuracy of the records that are being talked about and presented , there needs to be a timeline established as to how long these birch roll have been used to keep their records. Modern archeology thinks that the Ojibwe have been keeping their records for about a 1000 yrs on birch bark , this is because this is how they also documented their migrations. Now, if we look at the book of Mormon and what happened with Moroni, when the people have become so very wicked and had lost their righteousness and truths of the gospel that Christ gave them when he visited them, Moroni had the need to hide the records to keep them safe and keep them from being destroyed because of the wickedness of the people. From the time that Moroni hid the plates, which was in about AD 421, there is time missing between Moroni's hiding the records and Chief Midegha's history on the birch bark, and it is quite a bit of missing time . Archaeologist say about 1000 yrs ago was the first use of the birch bark for record keeping. So, let go back 1000yrs from right now , that would be the year 1,024 AD which would mean, that would be about the time when their history started being recorded on the bark. So, if they started using the bark method of recording in 1024 AD , there is 603 yrs missing from the time Moroni hid the plates, because of wickedness ,in about AD 421. That's alot , A LOT of years , especially if their history , customs & traditions were being passed down orally from one generation to another generation during that time. There would definitely be a lot of room for mistakes to be made , things to be added or things left out or personal opinions Incorporated in. Like I said , I have watched quite a few videos and my understanding, from these videos was, when the birch bark started falling apart from being to old, they were recopied back onto birch bark again. Let just say ,if they have been recopied for 1,000 years from birch bark that is old and falling apart , how accurate are they and how many hands have been involved in the recopying and this doesn't include the 603 yrs missing years. What I came away with from the videos that I have watched is, there are traditions, customs and teachings that are similar to the gospel, but they are not exactly the same. If we look at the scriptures we know that there should be no division in church( so I would say it is probably the same in the true gospel teachings) . Some of the things that are presented are similar in some ways but not completely the same. So which is the true trustworthy source? I would definitely have to take the Book of Mormon as the trustworthy source under these conditions. I know the gospel and Book Of Mormon are true, that has been witnessed to me. If what is presented to me does not completely line up with the witness I have received and is only similar, I have to rely on what I know is true as being the actual truth.
I'm interested to hear what they have to say, but there is a lot of risk for contamination for sure and apostasy. It can't be considered scripture I'm afraid unless it comes from the prophet.
You are exactly right. This is what is happening now. In order to keep from being lead astray, we have to focus on the true gospel and give heed to the Holy Ghost and follow the Prophet's voice. We definitely have to know the scriptures and gospel and anything that varies from it, should be questionable.
I’m surprised, kind of, by the comments I’m seeing here from people who clearly don’t understand how the Lords church works. There’s a reason it has been set up and organized like it is. People fall for these types every few years it seems…..
Moses was wrong-headed, and rejected by the Israelites at first--as when he killed the Egyptian. He had to be redirected in his approach. Midegah may have to undergo a similar reorientation.
I’m just getting into this episode, so I may have further comments. I don’t really know much of anything about Midegah, but I would be very curious to know where he got the idea that Adam built a temple. Eden was the original temple and we know that Adam built an alter after “finding himself alone in the lone and dreary world.” Often, the mountains were the original, ancient temples (Moses, Nephi, brother of Jared, Abraham, Jesus all retired to the mount to commune with God). And I understand that Genesis contains centuries of history in a few chapters, so there’s an incredible amount left to speculate, but some of these claims are immediately raising an eyebrow. The lack of authority is the biggest red flag for me. Remember that Nephi doesn’t mention building a temple until after the death of his father, Lehi. We can probably assume when Lehi was blessing his family, he likely ordained Nephi, passing his authority down. Every time a temple is built, everything down to the dimensions of the foundation is given by revelation to the presiding high priest (compare to the directions given to Moses concerning the tabernacle to those given to Joseph Smith regarding the endowment house in section 95 of D&C). Granted, with all of the temple construction going on now, the Church uses architects and engineers, but all of those drawings (which I understand, being a commercial electrician) must be overseen and approved by the First Presidency. Midegah may have good intentions, but lacks the authority. At the time of Abraham, the Egyptians had the endowment in near perfection, but “feign claimed the authority” to Noah through Ham because they couldn’t locate the actual source of authority. They had it so close, they had even deceived Terah, Abraham’s father. Regardless of their intentions, the Egyptian endowment was referred to as idolatry. So, to make my already long statement short; too many red flags.
I have listened to the conference you speak of. I just have to tell you you made a false statement about Chief Midegah. Or you heard it wrong. He said, I am not who you think I am! And then addressing the group he said You are who you think I am! Which I understood as... we all need to be servants and help each other. I have not heard him ever claim he is anyone other than asked to do a work among his people. He tells everyone to follow Christ!
Yes go to the link below or look up the replay of the conference. And go to spot 3:46:23 and you'll see he said quote " I am not who you think I am, you each and every one of you are who you think I am... He goes on to basically say we are all needed as servants to usher in Christ's return. The man is definitely not perfect but I believe he's trying to do something he believes God has called him to do. Sometimes rather than judge people so harshly I think we need to set back and remember by their fruits ye shall know them. Time will tell who this man really is. But he is not telling or asking anyone to follow him. He is not pulling people out of the church he's actually telling them to be more vigilant in following Christ. th-cam.com/video/Ln3Bl6IQKuw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jSe9Ovo-lAc5cJMM
You did misunderstand. He claims nothing of the sort. I hope you'll humble yourself and apologize. The conclusions you have come to are so wrong. The Church also doesn't own the Temple Lot. What will be created there is is a Cultural Heritage Center honoring the Unity of ALL Churches, faiths and traditions based in following Christ with the common thread also being the BOM. There so much more to this. @Rise_Zion
@@Rise_Zion Do you remember that Talk awhile ago by an Apostle where he talked about a Man who said that he knew there was some Lost Revelation in a Basement somewhere, and tried to enlist him into being part of this Cause, and he heeded it not, and then this man got angry, and cursed him. Subsequently having had my world rocked in the last few years with this discovery of the Restored Gospel I've found myself at the Foot of some Whacky Bunny Trails one time too many, and you can see that never prospered them. But given that I had a Dream that was basicly the concept of what the Endowment teaches, and a little Girl came forward, and Hugged me, and then a few years later with even more curious coincidences surrounding that my Daughter was born. I mean thats whats real...I think what David is talking about to a degree holds water because I've studied Navajo Traditional Teachings, and there is a connection too what we have, but its also evident that he has stepped into a very murky water. But he also said that he wouldn't go against the prophet, and now hes pretty much there...on the other hand in 2021 I was pretty mad about certain paradoxical Impasses that almost drove me mad, and too this day I don't think I'll ever be worthy to be in the presence of The Father, but on the other hand...isn't that kind of the Point? Regardless its definitely not what my Evangelical Pastor taught me. haha. Because the Book of Mormon is True, and Joseph Smith is a Prophet as is our Prophet Russel M Nelson.
Thank you for sharing that, I'm glad you haven't been led into strange paths. If you want you can email me and we can talk about those paradoxes and see if I have some answers.
I've really wondered where he thinks he will get the sealing g authority? It come from the Prophet, or those of the 12 who are authorized to give it to sealers in authorized Temples.
That is a good question. I just don't really see the benefit of building temples outside of the church at all. It would seem easier and more appropriate to work through the proper channels.
I too have deep concerns toward Chief Midegah. I share your observations of his critical spirit. Actually, I hope non-one gets caught up into his challenged situation. I pray he will repent and follow God.
From what I've heard of Midegah, I believe he sees the connections between the Book of Mormon and his people's history, and I think he's sincere in his belief that the Book of Mormon people are his people. I see no problem with that, and it makes a lot of sense to me. The issue is with how he speaks about, and his apparent attitude towards, those whom God has called to lead His church in these latter days. Its the lack of humility that's the most troubling. I do hope he repents and choses to follow and sustain the prophet.
I watched several episodes of the chief and have a personal opinion that he is not to be followed. Again, my opinion and personal spiritual discernment only.
I have come to the same conclusions that you have. Thanks for making this video. It seems to me that Chief Midegah sincerely wants to do the right thing, and I pray that he follow the Spirit of God and help bring more people to the gospel of Jesus Christ and His restored church (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) and follow the Lord's chosen servants (President Russell M Nelson, his counselors, and the quorum of the 12 apostles). We need to love others and be open to light and truth, but be careful to keep our covenants and follow the Lord's prophet to make sure we are not deceived (by misguided well-meaning people and by false prophets).
I agree and thank you for your analysis in regards to how the Lord reveals truth and doctrine. He has set forth a pattern and it is not His pattern to “reveal” information to a person then tell them to make a TH-cam channel to convince all His children of that “truth”. I am speaking in particular to the issue of polygamy but this can also be applied to Chief Midegah as well. The Lord has a pattern for revealing truth, for teaching or proclaiming doctrine, for leading and for building up the kingdom of God on the earth and that is through His servants the prophets. Any time someone goes outside of this pattern you may know for a surety that it or they are not of God!
@ because there is a large group of people who have taken up against polygamy and their angle is that Joseph Smith never taught it or practiced it and so therefore Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, John Taylor and Lorenzo Snow were fallen prophets because they preached and practiced polygamy. Again it is not the Lord’s pattern to “reveal” truth to an individual member and then “inspire” them to make a TH-cam channel to make sure His truth gets told to all the members out there. The pattern is that he reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and when asked about this issue, President Nelson said, yes we did practice polygamy, and no we don’t now. He is the Lord’s mouthpiece and that is what he has said recently.
Chief Midegah has said things that border on being critical of the Brethren. The Lord will work through His authorized servants. I unsubscribed from his channel.
Geme Tons of lds people were “critical” of others that asked the church to reconsider not gutting the manti temple as the church has done with every pioneer era temple. Tons of lds members ridiculed and criticized others that wanted to have one temple semi preserved or not totally redone as it would have had to be totally redone to have it like the other temples today. Is it critical to ask church leaders to pray again about something?
Actually we've already been given the answers to this and all the other things that are coming up on a thousand podcasts from members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints from Moroni 7:16 the way to judge... everything which inviteth to do good and believe in Christ is of God and then Pres Nelson said in last talk during last conference: "the Lord has spoken to us through his servants I urge you to study their messages; use them as a litmus test of what is true and what is not during the next 6 months". Why are there so many opinions because we're human but we don't have the right to speak for God only the prophet does. Everyone: always preface what you're going to say as opinion with a disclaimer that it is your opinion if that's all it is but if you're going to quote someone make sure you do it exactly right and not with interpretation which happens all too often. I think it's still too early to tell where a lot of these people are going but eventually it will be either down the broken spiral or up the heavenly spiral.
As I understand it, Joseph Smith will be doing a work in secret in the Northern countries, after his resurrection. Of course this is somewhat speculative. What I do know is that Joseph Smith will be resurrected to complete his mission to build Zion.
CORRECTIONS:
I misheard Midegah at one point and misquoted by accident, Midegah said: "I am NOT who you think I am, you are who you think I am..." This statement however remains unclear, my original point is and remains that this statement is vague and not intelligible for the following reasons: 1) we are not sure who people think Midegah is, nevertheless I have heard it claimed that Midegah represents The Davidic Servant, I was able to address this issue in the video. 2) If we ALL are the Davidic Servant (or whoever), then that would in fact mean that everyone is the Davidic Servant including Midegah. 3) This statement could be interpreted as a statement of faux humility, for example: I'm not the hero, all you are the true hero.
Additionally an error was made regarding the ownership of the Land at the Temple Lot. While it is true that The Church owns land in and around the area, the actual Temple Lot is not owned by The Church. This doesn't change my original point either. Midegah seems interested in building a Temple on Temple Lot regardless of who owns it, because of what he describes as Telestial Law.
Thank you! 😊
I have nothing but compassion for Chief Midegah. That being said, I have deep concerns about his contentious behavior. I know he has probably been through a lot in his life, but that doesn't justify his behavior at all. Many of us have been through a lot and don't disrespect others. I am also curious about his standing in the church. I honestly stopped listening to him a long time ago, because I didn't feel the Holy Spirit when listening to him. I will follow the Prophet and heed his counsel.
Absolutely, I feel that his message is not Christ centered or scripture based. The biggest red flag I felt is his attitude and spirit of contention, the spirit was not there so I listen to one then stopped listening.
Following the prophet is definitely a good course of action. 😁
He is who he says he is. JUST WAIT AND SEE...
Wow have you met Chief Medigah in person ?? Well I have and the first time I seen him the Holy Spirit poured out to me. I've worked in Temple over ten years now am 74 years old and can say I know when I feel the Holy Spirit. I feel you are twisting his words he has said for all LDS people to follow our Prophet and he has a current reconmend he us not satan he has never said for us to follow him. Wow what a person u are
@@dianasantacruz8614 Why would he hold all the scrolls and other divine “facts” if real as ransom until he is honored or given some prominent recognition by LDS leaders? Why not come forward with everything quietly and in reverence not seeking attention or recognition and give the glory to God? Seems there is an effort to get personal gain of some sort in exchange for what he supposedly has. Major red flag.
I had been watching him along with the folks with Zion Media for some time and with a genuinely open mind. I have come to the same conclusion as you. There seems to be a sincere effort on their part to gain greater knowledge, but very little emphasis on sharing the gospel, serving our fellow man and gathering zion in the way the prophet has described.
Additionally, i sense a lot of bitterness and hostility toward the church from many of their guests and as you mentioned, a subtle effort to not say too much. I hope he accepts your invitation to clarify his statements.
Yes it would be very interesting to see if he will clarify. Fair warning though, I will ask difficult questions.
Thank you for articulating all of these points so well. I agree with you!
One thing I read a few years ago (I think it was in Brother Lund's book The Second Coming of the Lord) was that the Lost Tribes will come to Ephraim (represented by the modern Church) to receive their crown - or, in other words, their temple blessings. Because they will recognize that Ephraim has the priesthood authority and keys in these days to officiate in those covenants. The lost tribes will recognize and honor priesthood authority as the Lord has organized it - not go off and do their own thing. This is also why they will bring their treasure (their sacred records) to the tribe of Ephraim (represented by the modern Church).
That is a very interesting connection, especially when we consider Emily Belle Freeman's talk.
Well said, yes
Do you mean that Ephraim holds the keys to gather Israel? The house of Ephraim leads the missionary work in the last days. That does not mean to say that the other tribes are not to be found helping with the gathering amongst the current (and past) proselyting missionaries of the restored gospel; They are indeed...But Ephraim leads in this work.
@@burpleflemingo7034 Yes, absolutely. I say Ephraim because that's how the Restored Church is referred to in these verses in the Doctrine and Covenants. This is in section 133, "30 And they shall bring forth their rich treasures unto the children of Ephraim, my servants." and "32 And there shall they fall down and be crowned with glory, even in Zion, by the hands of the servants of the Lord, even the children of Ephraim."
The Lord uses Ephraim here as shorthand for the entire church and the valuable work of those in ALL of the tribes who have already been gathered. But He uses Ephraim because they have the primary responsibility for missionary work and church leadership during this season of gathering.
I'm not so sure the Chief isn't of Ephraim, or Manasseh, . But as a desendant of Joseph Smith and I think John Taylor, he would be at least of Joseph.
My spidy senses went on red alert the first time I saw a long interview he gave to another podcaster. He spent 2 hours talking about how wonderful he was. It wasn’t very hard at all to see he’s not a good source. You are being too nice about it.
I think a lot of people are getting the same feeling as well.
I agree with you. If you observe the actions of David Taylor across the spectrum of videos and interviews with various youtubers it will be painfully obvious that his house is not in order and the spirit of his message is on the surface welcoming and uplifting there are red flags that cannot be overlooked. He is trying to serve two masters and in doing so is neglecting his primary supposed allegiance to Christ first and foremost. His efforts to be recognized by LDS leadership is another area of concern. He is threatening legal action if his demands are not to his satisfaction. Anyone who is coalition building to fight against the LDS church in this manner deserves questioning.
This was very well put. I appreciate how you outlined the good and contrast that with the red flags. A lot of this is how I felt for a while about him. I am most concern about others who are on board with him and seem to resist plain and precious truths about why this is problematic. This video was a breath of fresh air.
Thank you I'm glad it was helpful.
I really appreciate your ability to stay within the guidelines that the church has established for following the profits and sustaining them and being as charitable as possible, when calling out those who seem to be strain from the bounds, the Lord has sat within his kingdom
This guy is just getting under my skin!! I ask where are the Lamanites (the Natives of this land)? Where are they who will be the ones to build this temple in Missouri? Notice he is going straight to the Jews Not the NATIVE people! I am Native myself full blood, and here is this guy who just shows up out of nowhere like we have been warned in the last days... If he is who he proclaims to be the one, where are the Natives? They would be there by the thousands, but he has not the following!
Take a look at this scripture, D&C 50:17-20
17 Verily I say unto you, he that is ordained of me and sent forth to preach the word of truth by the Comforter, in the Spirit of truth, doth he preach it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
18 And if it be by some other way it is not of God.
19 And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
20 If it be some other way it is not of God.
I am going by the Spirit and the Spirit tells me this guy is NOT who he says he is, he sounds good and very knowledgeable but you can pick up books and become learned, and he is too much of a radicule of a Lamanite. Sure a lot has happened to the Natives of this land, but do I as a Lamanite carry that in my heart? No, for if I hold those things in my heart I will be hardened and cannot learn, grow and carry the Good Spirit in my heart and would keep me from developing the Testimony of truth restored!
I know the Gospel of Jesus Christ is true and the Book of Mormon is true and is the book of my ancestors!
It is through Prayer and study I know it to be...
And the Chief ignores the fact that all the various tribes would cause harm to each other. It’s not exclusive for the white Anglo-saxons, etc. Sadly, horrible things have been committed by all groups of people.
I totally agree with redant. She is a wonderful Lamanite friend and I love her
I really like your ideas on this. Thank you for your kind and thoughtful words. I agree with your thoughts on having the priesthood authority for the building and working of the sacred Temples. I remember Joseph being challenged several times with members who thought they were receiving revelation for the church and the Lord said very clearly how Joseph was His prophet and no revelation for the church will come from another.
Thank you, I'm very curious as to what these temples would be like in his mind.
I'm glad that finally someone is addressing that because there has always been something at the back of my mind regarding this man. I see a few red flags, that's why I don't follow him, but follow the Prophet. I don't doubt that he might have a truth to tell, but I also know that the adversary is the master of counterfeit.
We do need to be careful. Thank you for your comment
Same
I also have concerns with his anger, contention is the adversary i don't feel the spirit when I listen to him.i have no ill feeling towards him though like the comment above i will give him grace❤
Yes I would like him to come on the show and clarify some of his statements maybe. 🤔
I have felt the same way. He seems to wrest if you might say about the Book of Mormon and really that what records he has is more true or of more importance. He has several times has been that way and I just turned him off and watched something more uplifting. He comes across very arragant. (Sp)
I felt the same thing, anger
Do you ever loose your temper. If u voted for trump you just voted for the antichrist
I had to quit listening to him, just didn't feel good about it.
I'll be watching him with interest, to see what happens next. I'll never abandon my covenants or belittle the apostles and prophets.
Same
I have been praying about him and his messages and follower! We are all human and subject to error. It is possible he’s being a part of gathering others to the church! Stay tuned!
I have never felt the Spirit from him just from Mr Midegah. His delivery is off. I sense anger, I sense pride. I sense some instability. I know we are to do many good things of our own free will, but I note that nothing he is doing is under the direction of the one man who holds the keys for the gathering of Isreal- doesn't feel right to me. I have heard him in video angrily challenge the prophet, I have heard him make threats to members that things will not turn out well for them - for not believing in him. Also he continually lectures members. Something is just off.
Yes sometimes I sense anger as well. I can understand that frustration. But there are proper channels to help us avoid deception.
I’ve had the same impressions listening to him, and that’s why I don’t believe he has anything to offer members of the church. I’ll stick with the Lord’s chosen prophets and apostles.
You misquoted him actually, he said “I’m not who you think I am, you are who you think I am”
Clearly has said he is not the davidic servant or anything like that. At the beginning he was rather withheld, but lately he makes it clear he is not who some think he is
I will correct this. Thank you. I think it should be noted still that this phrase is still confusing and unclear. So for example, if we are who we think he is, then does that make all of us the Davidic Servant. Again it is unclear what he thinks people think.
My experience is you have a very balanced and even generous approach and things to say, about this supposed individual. Thank you for helping encourage us to have discernment and wisdom and the Holy Spirit. 🙏
You're very welcome
Everything you and most of the commenters said (I didn’t read all of them) I feel, are true about him. So relieved you made so many points. Thank you!
Thank you I'm concerned that people may be deceived. So I just help give people some useful tools to avoid deception.
Thank you. I thought my reaction to him was the only one. It felt off.
Thank you for watching.
Thank you for this!! I really needed to watch this. I’ve watched videos of his awhile back and thought it was interesting and exciting and then watched one where I thought he sounded contentious and I felt differently about him, unsure and wary. Then watched a recent one where he was talking very vaguely like only people with “insider” information or insinuating that only those who had the Spirit would have eyes to see and understand, it felt very off and strange. I didn’t know he was claiming to be the David servant perhaps or something close to that or about the temples. I had been praying for discernment about him and I feel I just got answers to my prayer. Thank you.
They just had someone else called Lindvist or something on their Zion Podcast a day ago claiming to be a Davidic Servant. The problem with this on that Zion Podcast is that they are zealous to want to know the mysteries of God. Its okay to know the mysteries of God or have visions if it keeps you safe in your covenants. But it sounds like the lionharts of that Podcast want everybody to just get up and follow after the chef and join with his people and no longer follow the prophet of the church....The Pickerings I don't trust either because it looks like they interpret the mysteries of the old testament of the signs of the last days for the members. It is possible to get so caught up in watching signs of the times daily updates coming from all these last days websites that you fail to stay focused on following the prophet on the covenant path. For gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil is going to take up most of all our time and attention to do. So I don't have time to go through these hundreds of last days signs videos of the times websites or their go through all their last days scripture study courses. I got no time for all that when I'm busy gathering israel on both sides of the veil and trying to do what the prophet has asked of us in conference.
Thank you for watching I'm glad to be able to help.
My gut instinct is there is nefarious and unspoken agendas at play that will shortly be reveled who is in the wrong. I will err on the side of staying close to the Spirit that accompanies the counsel of our Prophet and He who is at the head of the Church, even Jesus Christ. David is trying to serve two masters and in doing so is neglecting his primary supposed allegiance to Christ first and foremost. His efforts to be recognized by LDS leadership is another area of concern. He is threatening legal action if his demands are not to his satisfaction. Anyone who is coalition building to fight against the LDS church in this manner deserves questioning. Why not come forward with everything quietly and in reverence not seeking attention or recognition and give the glory to God? Seems there is an effort to get personal gain of some sort in exchange for what he supposedly has. Major red flag. Rise Zion is doing great work to expose this.
You are 100% correct on the Davidic servant being Joseph Smith. If you read his various patriarchal blessing she has much work to do and will come back as a resurrected individual. His return I would think is not far off. Now concerning this chief character he is outside of the Lords line of authority through his prophet and apostles. I don't think there is any need to be cautious but to flee from him and his statements. The fact the prophet and apostles are not having on going conversations speaks volumes.
Yes while it's true that the Church doesn't hold a monopoly on truth, it is true that the only thing we need to do is to follow the Prophet and God's direction to us, for our personal salvation. If we are prone to being deceived it would be wise to just avoid extra stuff.
@ you make a great and true point. You are correct the church nor prophets have a monopoly on truth. This individual claims he has authority due to where his ancestors came from much like the Levite tribe. As we know the Lord only has one prophet authorized in his name to be his spokesman on the earth at 1 time. That's Prs Nelson and then will be Prs. Oaks etc... their purpose is to call and bring all into Christ through covenants with the Father through Christ.
This individuals mission seems intent on gaining a war and for people to acknowledge the wrongs that his people have had much like the woke movement among some very liberal individuals pushing for reparations for blacks. Nothing to do with brining others unto God or Christ.
Appreciate your content and what you share though I think our culture at times clouds our language with caution when there needs be none.
What does Moroni warn us of in the last days repeatedly? Priestcraft over and over and over.
The davidic servant cannot be a resurrected being, as we are clearly told that he is marred by the people, and the Lord heals him.
@@machellethehealersartdisco6985- He was marred in is first life.
@@machellethehealersartdisco6985 correct he was marred check and what better way to be healed then resurrected? Again check the foot note it goes to D&C and highlights this the greatest of any prophet in the dispensations aside from Christ.
I’m an adopted member of the Cattaraugus Indian Tribe of upper state New York and love our Native American
brothers and sisters. My neighbor gave me a copy of “AYAHTKUHYAHT NEMENHAH” the book Medigah is selling. I found it a bit strange that all of the names are similar to the way they are spelled and pronounced in our Book of Mormon. Examples: Nephi - Nayfe, Jacob - Jahcohb, Lehi - Lehb, Moroni - Mohrhonayah, Hagoth - Hagotit. I’ve tried but I just can’t get into the book.
And those birch scrolls he talks about. I think people should be reminded that scripture will come down from the prophet.
Midigah is not selling anything. The translated Nemanhah Records are a completely different thing, from a completely different source and Tribe. Regardless of what you think you feel...a lie is a lie and when others pass it on they become the liars too. The Church has copies of the Nemenhah Records and used to keep it displayed, did you know that? They were found in Utah.
The birch bark scrolls are in Canada. Held by the Ojibwe Tribe in Ontario. They are teachings like all Tribes have. No one claims them to be scripture.
I agree the Mentinah Papers may have some truth, but it is not scripture. It's been around for 20 years and seems false
I love the Iroquois people. I feel there are many of them whom Joseph Smith associated with as Joseph learned from them, and they were taught by Joseph.
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Thank you for this. I initially thought Midegah was an interesting fellow, but the minute I sensed his resentment toward the keys of the kingdom, I tuned him out. I wasn’t even aware he plans to build a temple in independence.
Yes that is very concerning to me as well. I would like to ask him questions about what that looks like in reality.
I thought he had interesting things to say as you did but his contention caused me to turn him off. I ran quickly in the opposite direction. He will cause great harm just like Laman did.
Hey brother, I’m new to your podcast. Thank you for warning us of deceptions in these days. This is sooooooo essential for us at this time ! Thanks again !
Welcome! I'm glad to hear you found it useful.
Thank you for having the courage to voice your concerns on this. I too have listened to a few Chief Midegah's interviews, and have very similar concerns.
I also have similar concerns about other folks within our faith who set themselves up as some kind of special 'innovator' within the faith who is trying to get the church to go in a specific direction by insinuating, albeit in a very subtle way, that our church leaders are somehow falling short by not agreeing with their ideas and opinions, making it appear that they themselves are on the right track while our church leaders have in some respects been deceived.
I see similar things happening within the Heartland movement, as many members seem to really idolize the main proponents of that movement, to the point where I worry that some of them may lose faith in our church leaders in favor of the leaders of the Heartland movement. In fact, I see many in the Heartland movement who also idolize Chief Midegah because he tells them a lot of what they want to hear. His stories and rhetoric tends to reinforce what they already believe very strongly about Book of Mormon geography, and he sounds very convincing and certain of what he believes.
So I see things like this as a wake-up call to members to prioritize what the scriptures and our current church leaders say, ahead of what others may say, be they members of our faith or not, however much we may admire them, and however much we may really want to believe them.
I think this is especially true when the person in question is setting themself up as some sort of special authority with a position on a topic that contradicts the church's official position on that topic, or that implies that the church is heading in the wrong direction, or that implies that they have some special knowledge or revelation that really should come through the first presidency and council of the 12. We would be wise to see those as warning flags.
It is also a wake-up call for us to endeavor to have the Holy Spirit with us always as a personal guide to help us to discern between truth and error, as well as to give us comfort and guidance.
You're right it's so tempting to believe what we want to hear. I think a lot of what Midegah says is interesting and worthy of consideration, but maybe not all of it is 100% accurate.
I think Midegah has some awesome points and presents clear evidence that Nephite temple ordinances were given to the Natives of this continent, but my concern is that he seems to claim that the “priesthood” authority that his tribe has is just as authoritative as the Priesthood restored through JS, and he seems to imply that his tribe was never in apostasy and preserved everything since the time of the Nephites, which negates the doctrine of the Great Apostasy.
Yes I think they are very interesting ideas. But always I take them with a grain of salt.
And weren’t they all destroyed 🤔 Mormon and Moroni speak of that. I mean I guess a small remnant could have been preserved, but I feel like the Lord would let us know about that. I love that his scrolls bring so much evidence of the BOM, I don’t need the evidence, but it’s still very interesting.
I like and respect him but he definitely seems to have big issues with modern priesthood authority.
Yes that does seem to be the case.
Absolutely right. He is a cultural leader, not a spiritual leader. He has great potential for good, and because of that, he has as much potential for harm and deception. He and others have fundamental deviations from core doctrine and I believe he thinks he knows better than our Church leaders and he has made many false assumptions and taken offense. I love him, I do not agree with everything.
Hopefully he can repent and get to work bringing people info the fold.
@ when I have talked with him and Zion Media, they seem to have issue with keys and authority and are not aware of much of our own doctrine in D&C, and take obscure things to mean what they want. They disagree and say the Spirit tells them. I have been preparing a response, hopefully this weekend.
@@Thehaystack7999Zion Media has often felt off to me. I’ve felt not to watch that channel anymore.
@ I did an interview with them and they kept pushing stuff we know isn’t true. I had hope to share truth among those seeking excitement, I was not intriguing enough for them 😆
@@Thehaystack7999 One of the things they were pushing with one guy they had on there saying that we should respect the agency of the devil and his angles because God still loves them. I don't accept that. As D&C 76 tells me they become vessels of God's wrath who sin unto perdition..
Chief Midegah was called by the Indian r Native American people to represent the m. He comes across abrasive. He has a lot to work on. I'm concerned, but feel he needs to be given grace. Ive always wondered why the Native American people have to live on reservations. I have worked with some of them as a nurse. I have family/friends who had some of these Native American children living with them. Seems it was a mixed bag of good and bad happening. I'm on guard, yet hopeful for mainly good things to happen.
@@alisadunn5443 I think that is a good attitude to have.
I was one of the speakers at the event in Missouri (I am the guy in a suit with British accent). I met and spoke with Chief Middegah in person. He means well, just needs to refine how he delivers his message.
Thank you for your comment. I'm very concerned about some of his comments about the apostles and prophets. But maybe he can change this stance or clarify his remarks.
I believe that God's word never comes back void
Porter Rockwell, Samuel The Lamanite, even Doubting Thomas, all served their roll. Not everyone speaks the church of joy as we would like.
This is true.
Thanks for taking on this topic. I love that when I look to Christ, I see the prophets and apostles. They are aligned with Him. Anyone else who stands directly in that line of truth and authority, I will gladly follow. Not because I'm following them, but because we're both following Christ and His Prophet. If I have to turn my sights even a little from that goal, I know it is not going to bring me closer to Christ.
The Prophet already told us how to build Zion and prepare for the Second Coming.
Be a peacemaker, repent daily, stay on the covenant path, think Celestial, spend time in the temple, focus on Christ, and help gather Israel on both sides of the veil.
That's plenty to keep me busy!
Yes I think we might at times be tempted to look beyond what we need to be doing to build Zion.
Midega doesn’t understand our own scriptures. He fails to see that the remnant will be brought the gospel, the gospel of Christ that his people rejected, by the gentiles. Not the other way around. He thinks his people were righteous and preserved the gospel separately from the nephites and lamanites but I don’t see any evidence of that other than apostate parts of the temple ceremony that they carried through to their sweat lodges
Yeah I find the cultural correlation very interesting, but you are right we have no reason to believe that their traditions didn't fall into apostasy.
But my question is are we doing a good enough job of fulfilling our stewardship of bringing the gospel to the remnant? Why has it taken so long? Are we waiting for something? I do wish to see more of conversion of the lamanites.
Nailed it!
Midegah dated a friend of mine. Sadly, I believe he is truly mentally ill and suffering from some sort of psychosis.
If that is true I'm truly sorry to hear it. I think He could do a lot of good and hope he can get better.
Wow. Interesting.
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Perhaps the one who told a Jew at dinner that real men eat red meat and no one cares about the Torah?
Who is on the stake young womens council?
Yeah.
@ I agree. I hope he will seek help soon enough.
Do you mind my asking did David Taylor believe he was called to build a Temple without the President’s and the Twelve’s blessing or the Priesthood keys?
This is wise counsel. I have felt this for some time now about Chief Midegah. Well said brother!
Thank you.
I match the same sentiment about chief midegah as you shared. Additionally, I think he unfortunately sketched out a line in the sand that's not going to be particularly welcomed by a good portion of Zion Media followers. Red flags were at first speculative and the conscience gives a chance... only now the red flags are clearly waving now. Which is really unfortunate with Mr Taylor having a fantastic drive. It's just out of order. And reminds a lot of us about stranger danger examples in the book of mormon. I think it's also unfortunately a pivotal time for Zion Media in the wrong direction. I can't help but think of the pressure they are feeling like they've consequently adopted an issue that's like pine pitch in hair -- where it ain't gonna get any easier to remove it than to just cut it out. Keeping an eye on their membership numbers every day since Missouri gathering. And although they crossed into 11k my guess is between covering midegah from here on out and the very risky far out in left field topics they've been milling out...I think their numbers are gonna drop. Zion Media used to feel like it was producing because they love it. Now it seems driven by other ambitions and goals which has clearly affected the quality of its content. And honestly, being a member of a tribe myself, midegah has gotta know he's being played as the t and a for Zion Media. (It's literally THE history of the moving picture, ref. "Real Injun" for quick insights). And honestly...I really don't think they'd dispute that either.
Thanks so much for bringing this up! I’ve never had any good vibes with this guy. He is a grievance peddler plane and simple.
Just like anything we have doubts or questions about ... Go straight to the Lord, fast, pray and ask with a sincere heart and ask for discernment. I don't know why we have to count on men to help us figure this out... Go to the Lord! Men can lead u astray, the Lord will never!
That's a good policy as well. Follow the prophet, and or covenants as a guide too.
I am not confused. I will continue to learn from Chief Medigah.
I will also continue to follow the Prophet.
I think a lot of what he says is interesting. But we can't be back biting like he does. And we have to keep our covenants.
Sooner or later you will have to make a choice. To the chief, he is the Prophet.
@Crikey420 where did Chief Midegah clame that he is God?
Many people act like he said this is the new scripture. He is proclaiming what he and others have back the Book of Mormon up.
Thank you, these things about him troubled. I stopped watching, but I really needed this confirmation.
I completely agree with you on all of this. I have not felt comfortable while listening to Midegah and appreciate your insite in this podcast. Thank you!!
Thanks for sharing!
5:20 Midegah said, "I am NOT who you think I am. YOU are who you think I am." I don't know what that means, but you should get the quote right.
Yes thank you for that. I think I will make a short addressing this error later. However I would still note that the phrase is still ambiguous. And it still means he believes that he may be the Davidic Servant, if we all are the Davidic Servant.
Well put , absolutely agree 👍. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
@5:20 you say that Midegah said that he is who people think he is, actually he said he was NOT who people think he is.
Yes thank you I will probably respond to that in a short.
We must trust our feeling about things. I know my feelings , I do really think he wants to help his people. I'm sticking to what I know for sure.
You do what you must while staying true to good principles.
Anger is often the outward appearance of emotional pain. He has had a tough life.
I, for one, am excited to learn from him and other natives.
Of course let's just be careful to not back bite. Or break our covenants.
I too had a hard life growing up but it’s because of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that I strive to become better and to follow the prophets and apostles. That’s where safety lies. But once you start contending and speaking ill of them we are on a very slippery slope. It’s okay to have compassion, we all should but we must be wise in what we allow into our lives.
You handled this very well. I had been following Chief Midegah on Zion Media and thought, like you, that he may have a purpose in gathering his people. I was not concerned that he wanted to build a 'native' temple, not an LDS temple but I was concerned with one of his short videos where he was contentious and I felt his pride may be his downfall. I got the impression that Church leaders were not responding to his cause. However, I believe he was probably tired since it was right after the conference and he had traveled a long way. He then put out another short video trying to downplay what he said previously. I have not watched much since then but curious to see how things play out. I never heard him claim he is the Davidic servant although I heard others say they thought he might be. I also believe he is a good guy and perhaps he has a mission to fulfill in gathering his people but I don't believe he is a prophet. I hope he doesn't succumb to pride and is patient in working out the problems with the marriage records in an appropriate manner.
No I don't think he has ever said he was the Davidic servant either, directly. I'm actually quite confused by some of his statements I'd like some additional clarification. People believe that he is that servant though, so that is good to respond to in either case. Thank you for your comment. 🙂
Maybe you mention this later in the vid, but I’m pretty sure that only the prophet has the keys to direct the building of temples. So yes, that’s a red flag.
Yes I say something similar to that. 🙂
He is full of contention... Not buying it
A lot of people feel that way for sure.
I respect him, and he has a testimony of Jesus and the church, only we need to understand he represent a big Tribe, and he are trying to became one, we need to have Patience and love for all he is doing, is not easy what he is doing!!! and why we need to believe you? well is the same with him, just we need to have patience.
Yes I'll be asking him some additional questions about his tribe. Most of us are merely referring to members of The Church.
I see that shiny red book on your side table there, how are you finding it? Have you gotten far into it yet?
Thanks for this video, I agree with what you have said! ❤
You are so welcome!
I feel like he has a good spirit and I wish his people can heal from the trauma they’ve endured.
and maybe he really is laying the groundwork for the gathering, but also I think he’s not the prophet.
But I am excited for a lot more of them and the Jews to enter the waters of baptism and to learn from them and also the lost 10 tribes.
Maybe, interesting insights.
Some comments here.
This is like reading about how unjust Nephi was to his brothers.
Wash rinse repeat history. Poor Laman and Lemuel. It isn't fair! They were so mistreated.
Tread cautiously today.
I am thankful for the scriptures so we can see patterns.
Basically I’m agreeing that there’s lots of red flags but I’m going to remain hopeful that he and his people can heal from the trauma they have endured. Similar to me remaining hopeful to anyone who leaves or gets deceived that they’d see the errors of their way. This was actually giving me Hiram page vibes.
I was at the conference in Missouri. I heard Midegah speak with my own ears, I was on the front row. You unfortunately misquoted him right out of the gate. He Did Not say, “I am who you think I am”, which you then insinuate could be a reference to the Davidic servant. What he actually said was: “I am NOT who you (pointing to audience) think I am. YOU are who you think I am”. IMHO he was telling us there listening to him that we were all the Lord’s endtime servants and to quit following in the arm of flesh or waiting to be told what to do next but to go directly to the Lord and get our marching orders for the day. He was instilling confidence in all those listening that we could go get our own revelation/dreams/visions etc. I encourage you to review the tape…
The problem is that these rather vague terms are confusing and can mean whatever you want them to mean. People do believe he is the David servant, but again I'm not really sure what he means when he says you are who I think I am. Another interpretation could be false modesty: I'm not the hero, all of you are the true heroes.... That's not exactly a denial. I would like some clarification as to what was actually meant directly from Midegah. But if he comes on this show, I'm not going to let him just talk, I will be asking some serious questions that deserve serious answers.
My Patriatical blessing says, I will be able to participate in the completion of the Lord's work upon this Earth.
Why is it that the L-DS thinks they are the only ones that can gather God's people and build Temples?
From Tili Ayala
It's because of the transformative power of the priesthood. The priesthood isn't just authority to act in God's name. It literally transforms us into the house of Israel, making the blessings of Abraham apply to them upon entering into covenant with God. Indeed you will be able to help participate, but because God is not the author of confusion we must act with proper authority. This helps keep everything in order.
I think he may have been mislead by people who didn't have his best interest in mind. It happens when you have important roles. Some will try to lead you off your path. Some will help guide.
This could be true, hopefully we get some clarification on this.
Please could you consider checking out the Chanel he was featured on before- Zion media, they have some decent videos. But from what I remember they also were questioning President Nelson’s advice on the Covid vaccine, they also had a guest who was talking about astrology, and lost texts that they believe could be scripture. Sometimes I’m listening and some red flags are flying for sure. Anyone else? 😅
Yes I've seen it as well, there are some interesting things on that channel. We just have to be careful not to believe everything, always following the prophet.
That's what I was seeing watching that channel, as well. Lots of red flags.
Chief Midegah has not made any claim to be the davidic servant, the opposite actually. He says he is not a prophet of the church but he is one for his people (the Ojibwe). He still has a lot to learn, some edges to get knocked off but he does have good intentions. I have been at both of his last two live events, provided a/v for the last one. I am just sitting on the sidelines watching and waiting for the egg to fully hatch.
Thank you for your comment. I think it is possible he could be a prophet for his people. As long as he does not contradict the Prophet, President Nelson.
Yeah I was intrigued on some other programs on TH-cam at first but he seems like he wants to call out the church and gen authorities. Like because he is Native American he has more authority than they do. I heard he got kicked out of general conference but I am not sure that is true.
Yes it's hard to know for sure what is true. I've only heard from him this story.
He did say he did... but didn't tell the whole story, whatever it is. Only made it seem like it was racist or something. There is a lot more history between him and the church i think
Truth 👍
True, many people who should know better are ascribing more to Midegah than would be wise. But Midegah, himself, is not the source of those mis-placed and mis-guided views. He, himself, has said that he is not who many seem to think he is, and “if you believe in Jesus, then follow Jesus”, etc. It is not right to fault someone for what others say about him over which he has no control and does not encourage, and openly tries to correct.
I don't know, Midegah doesn't seem to be doing much to correct the record. As I mentioned, at the conference they had, he said something to the effect of he is who they think he is... I'm not sure what that means.
@@Rise_Zion Anyone in the public eye knows, or learns quickly, that it is unproductive and unwise to get sucked into addressing all of the references, direct and indirect, true or false, that fly around them - it is like trying to control clouds of smoke out of the atmosphere to put it in a bottle. Instead, one learns to focus primarily on one’s objective, try to do well, and try to accept that people will to speak of you as they will. The Church takes this approach - they choose to address particularly important episodes of public sentiment, but otherwise stay the main course without getting hung up on those who fault them for not responding to one criticism or another. That they do not address every false criticism raised against them is not a valid reason to fault them for what someone else claims about them.
Midegah is right to avoid diverting an inordinate amount of time and fruitless effort toward containing smoke from someone else’s fire. But he has, in fact, taken time to make an effort. The following recent example makes his message clear to those who make him out to be more than he has ever given them reason to conclude:
“In relation to a lot of the comments about people looking for a magical mystery man who's going to fix all your problems, if you're followers of Jesus Christ follow Jesus Christ and if you believe that there's a Heavenly Father follow Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father. There's not going to be any man who's going to solve all your problems.” … “As people try to project things upon me that I've said many times that I'm not who you think I am.” … “Follow your Savior; that's what you should follow, all right? Thank you.”
We should be helping to clear the air, not fanning smoke. Agree with him or not, it is not right to fault someone for what someone else says about them.
Interesting thoughts and you made some good points. I hope he comes on the show to discuss.
Yes I definitely have questions.
We know many false prophets are about in the world We can listen to many of them, and actually believe some, but we can only trust our ordained Prohets, Seers and Revelators
As an independent people with Lodges I feel they can restore prehistoric temples and conduct Native American or First American rites as they do today (even sealings of their own design)
We honored all Spanish speaking peoples of North south and Central America in the conference center with their cultural program last Saturday Similar recognition could be given to the variety of other First Americans in accordance with church sponsored cultural activities
I am grateful he has a relationship with his stake president in Canada visits his sons regularly in Germany and yearns for the preservation of languages, records and a cultural center much like the Polynesian center in Hawaii.
He may advance the cause mentioned in the Book of Mormon that upon Christ’s visit there were no more ite’s. Brighamite’s should welcome that without lessening our position in the Restoration. Less contention less division if we all choose to follow Christ and his living Prophet in these momentous days.
I just disagree on the point that they would be able to do sealing they would need the priesthood for that. They could do rites for educational purposes generally.
Wow. Thank you for the show and Thank you to those of you who have expressed how I feel when I listen to Midega. I too have compassion for what the American Indian has been through… our government has not been kind to them, and for him personally, as he has experienced brutality of his own. But honestly, I can’t understand what he says; I know he’s speaking English but it doesn’t make sense. All I gather is an anger (perhaps righteous) toward others and a lack of humility. I keep thinking maybe the Spirit is muddling my ears so I’m not deceived 😅. (God forgive me if I’m wrong; if I am, I pray I become undeceived!)
Thank you for your humility, I think we should all have this same attitude.
I had instant ‘vibes’ the first time I saw him. I threw out the question that Gods house is a house of order, so how do you relate to current priesthood keys. He went on a big rant which included speaking ill of the brethren. Asked, answered. He’s a counterfeit. I was actually disappointed. I hope he’ll put down his ambitions and pride. He is in a position to bring many to the gospel.
You asked him these questions personally? I'd be interested hearing more about this. Please feel free to email me.
Honestly when I see any LDS TH-camr bringing Midegah on anymore will just skip over. Not only him building temple on the 24 temple complex lot is so wrong but now he’s asking for donations etc for his living which kinda echos Joel Osteen or Billy Graham (priest crafts). It is bizarre that people are fawning over him like he is a prophet, but then again we are to expect false prophets here in the last days.
I think you need to be careful before you pass judgement on Chief Midegah. Have you sought direction from the Holy Ghost as to whether he is right or wrong, or are you using your own wisdom to pass judgement. Remember the family of Lehi were building temples before the church was restored. The Nephites and righteous Lamanites had the priesthood before Joseph Smith did. And it has not been taken away from the 3 Nephites and presumably they ordained other MP holders down through the ages among that remnant of Lehi's family. If God chooses to use someone other than a church leader to help the Lehites, that is certainly his prerogative. As for confusedwhynot, David's behavior could be because the church who is supposed to help his people fulfill their destiny, so far has rejected him and his pleas, much like the Nephites did to Samuel. Pray for the Holy Ghost to give us all wisdom in truth. Not our own preconceived ideas about what's God plan is for the next few years. He can call anyone he wants to to do His bidding.
Yes I take care to seek guidance for every episode I create. These are matters of eternal consequence. So what I said is said in the spirit of caution and following The Prophet, President Nelson.
If the church actually is dismissing him, it is likely for a very good reason.
Thank you, you articulated very well what I’ve been feeling. :)
Glad it was helpful!
The gathering of the scattered remnant of the lost tribes from the north could refer to many members of the tribe of Ephraim joining the church in northern Europe during the early days of the church. We seem to forget that Ephraim is a lost tribe.
It could that is true.
I am trying to remember which church president it was but when asked if he was a prophet, seer and revelator his response was "That is what the people say I am". So Midegah saying that "I am what you think I am" isn't so far fetched.
I never trusted that dude, people need to be careful in following false prophets.
Yes we need to be very very careful, especially in this time period.
It appears Chief knows he will not get approval of the Lords anointed…
It's possible the end goal was never to gain the approval, it may be to create further division.
I sustain our prophet Russell M. Nelson and the 12 Apostles as the Lord's chosen servants. I don't know about the Davidic servant. But what about D & C 113 where Joseph Smith asks what the rod and stem of Jesse means. It seems like that points to a different Davidic servant because it says, "who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim,"
A good question, these questions were not actually posed by Joseph Smith himself but rather by other people. The ensign to the nations is Joseph Smith. All of the priesthood keys are given through him, including the key of resurrection, by Jesus Christ.
While I think he has a message that needs to be heard regarding the records of his people and their ancient stories, laws etc, and even their connection with the writings of the BoM Prophets, I cannot help but feel the hurt, angst and sometimes threats in the tones of his words. The speech patterns to me are not peaceful, hopeful nor uniting. I admire his cause and his desire but any recognition of more than a voice for Indigenous tribes, that he maybe an authorised latter day prophet to build Temples, is beyond reason at this point in time.
That's true, thank you for your comment. I am curious how the scroll translations will be presented, will they be presented as scripture, or as a potentially faith supporting record that should be examined scientifically first. It is interesting to me.
I quit listening to him because I felt like he wants to rise to the top in the Church just because he’s a Native American chief.
It's hard to tell sometimes.
I love listening to your version and I agreed with you. I know that Russell M Nelson is God's truly and living prophet on earth today. ❤
Thank you for your comment I appreciate it.
The Chief makes some intellectually interesting points, but I am going to hold fast to the iron rod and follow those who I know are authorized servants of the Savior. Letting God prevail in my life and earnestly striving to keep my covenants takes most of my time anyway.
I feel the same way, I find what he says interesting.
He said records are coming forth from these tribes. Wait and see. Who knows.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
David Taylor
AKA: David Taylor Barker
Born: May 29,1978, Nez Perce County, Idaho
AKA: Midegah Ogichidaa
AKA: Chief Midegah
4 Nephi 1:15-17
Book of Mormon
15 And it came to pass that there was no contention in the land, because of the love of God which did dwell in the hearts of the people.
16 And there were no envyings, nor strifes, nor tumults, nor whoredoms, nor lyings, nor murders, nor any manner of lasciviousness; and surely there could not be a happier people among all the people who had been created by the hand of God.
17 There were no robbers, nor murderers, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God.
"It would be wise to forsake all ungodly traditions and customs, repent of sin, and turn to God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can become clean and united in the covenants of Israel." -Least of These
Thank you
I think you bring up some excellent points. I started following him a bit because he kept bringing up the tribes scriptures and I wanted to see what they said but when he kept dragging it out I felt he had ulterior motives. I also wondered why he didn't take the scriptures through proper channels such as the church historian so they could be properly validated?
That's is a good question. Well I'm in the process of trying to talk with Midegah to see if he can clarify some of these things. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
I didn't know he had had a vision.
Yes apparently so.
@@Rise_Zion Thanks.
My problem, about this whole situation is, I have watched several videos and interviews with Chef Midegha and to solve the truthfulness and accuracy of the records that are being talked about and presented , there needs to be a timeline established as to how long these birch roll have been used to keep their records. Modern archeology thinks that the Ojibwe have been keeping their records for about a 1000 yrs on birch bark , this is because this is how they also documented their migrations. Now, if we look at the book of Mormon and what happened with Moroni, when the people have become so very wicked and had lost their righteousness and truths of the gospel that Christ gave them when he visited them, Moroni had the need to hide the records to keep them safe and keep them from being destroyed because of the wickedness of the people. From the time that Moroni hid the plates, which was in about AD 421, there is time missing between Moroni's hiding the records and Chief Midegha's history on the birch bark, and it is quite a bit of missing time . Archaeologist say about 1000 yrs ago was the first use
of the birch bark for record keeping. So, let go back 1000yrs from right now , that would be the year 1,024 AD which would mean, that would be about the time when their history started being recorded on the bark. So, if they started using the bark method of recording in 1024 AD , there is 603 yrs missing from the time Moroni hid the plates, because of wickedness ,in about AD 421. That's alot , A LOT of years , especially if their history , customs & traditions were being passed down orally from one generation to another generation during that time. There would definitely be a lot of room for mistakes to be made , things to be added or things left out or personal opinions Incorporated in. Like I said , I have watched quite a few videos and my understanding, from these videos was, when the birch bark started falling apart from being to old, they were recopied back onto birch bark again. Let just say ,if they have been recopied for 1,000 years from birch bark that is old and falling apart , how accurate are they and how many hands have been involved in the recopying and this doesn't include the
603 yrs missing years. What I came away with from the videos that I have watched is, there are traditions, customs and teachings that are similar to the gospel, but they are not exactly the same. If we look at the scriptures we know that there should be no division in church( so I would say it is probably the same in the true gospel teachings) . Some of the things that are presented are similar in some ways but not completely the same. So which is the true trustworthy source? I would definitely have to take the Book of Mormon as the trustworthy source under these conditions. I know the gospel and Book Of Mormon are true, that has been witnessed to me. If what is presented to me does not completely line up with the witness I have received and is only similar, I have to rely on what I know is true as being the actual truth.
I'm interested to hear what they have to say, but there is a lot of risk for contamination for sure and apostasy. It can't be considered scripture I'm afraid unless it comes from the prophet.
You are exactly right. This is what is happening now. In order to keep from being lead astray, we have to focus on the true gospel and give heed to the Holy Ghost and follow the Prophet's voice. We definitely have to know the scriptures and gospel and anything that varies from it, should be questionable.
I dont think that this matter needs this much explanation. We have a prophet, follow him and we are good. The Chief has no authority.
It could be useful to understand why people are very interested in him.
@@Rise_Zion True.
After watching the Chief a few Tim's speaking. I noticed an anger. This bothered me. So, I watched him again and saw the same thing.
I’m surprised, kind of, by the comments I’m seeing here from people who clearly don’t understand how the Lords church works. There’s a reason it has been set up and organized like it is. People fall for these types every few years it seems…..
Yes these are important guardrails.
Moses was wrong-headed, and rejected by the Israelites at first--as when he killed the Egyptian. He had to be redirected in his approach. Midegah may have to undergo a similar reorientation.
I’m just getting into this episode, so I may have further comments. I don’t really know much of anything about Midegah, but I would be very curious to know where he got the idea that Adam built a temple. Eden was the original temple and we know that Adam built an alter after “finding himself alone in the lone and dreary world.” Often, the mountains were the original, ancient temples (Moses, Nephi, brother of Jared, Abraham, Jesus all retired to the mount to commune with God). And I understand that Genesis contains centuries of history in a few chapters, so there’s an incredible amount left to speculate, but some of these claims are immediately raising an eyebrow. The lack of authority is the biggest red flag for me. Remember that Nephi doesn’t mention building a temple until after the death of his father, Lehi. We can probably assume when Lehi was blessing his family, he likely ordained Nephi, passing his authority down. Every time a temple is built, everything down to the dimensions of the foundation is given by revelation to the presiding high priest (compare to the directions given to Moses concerning the tabernacle to those given to Joseph Smith regarding the endowment house in section 95 of D&C). Granted, with all of the temple construction going on now, the Church uses architects and engineers, but all of those drawings (which I understand, being a commercial electrician) must be overseen and approved by the First Presidency. Midegah may have good intentions, but lacks the authority. At the time of Abraham, the Egyptians had the endowment in near perfection, but “feign claimed the authority” to Noah through Ham because they couldn’t locate the actual source of authority. They had it so close, they had even deceived Terah, Abraham’s father. Regardless of their intentions, the Egyptian endowment was referred to as idolatry. So, to make my already long statement short; too many red flags.
It's an interesting point you're making regarding the Egyptian temples. I didn't think of that example thank you.
I like your comments about the Egyptian endowment it is very similar.
@ for anyone wanting to know where I got this from, the scripture reference is Abraham 1:26-27 in the Pearl of Great Price.
I have listened to the conference you speak of.
I just have to tell you you made a false statement about Chief Midegah. Or you heard it wrong. He said, I am not who you think I am! And then addressing the group he said You are who you think I am! Which I understood as... we all need to be servants and help each other.
I have not heard him ever claim he is anyone other than asked to do a work among his people. He tells everyone to follow Christ!
Maybe I misunderstood, it's not very clear... I'll have to check that.
Yes go to the link below or look up the replay of the conference. And go to spot 3:46:23 and you'll see he said quote " I am not who you think I am, you each and every one of you are who you think I am...
He goes on to basically say we are all needed as servants to usher in Christ's return. The man is definitely not perfect but I believe he's trying to do something he believes God has called him to do. Sometimes rather than judge people so harshly I think we need to set back and remember by their fruits ye shall know them. Time will tell who this man really is. But he is not telling or asking anyone to follow him. He is not pulling people out of the church he's actually telling them to be more vigilant in following Christ.
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You did misunderstand. He claims nothing of the sort. I hope you'll humble yourself and apologize. The conclusions you have come to are so wrong.
The Church also doesn't own the Temple Lot. What will be created there is is a Cultural Heritage Center honoring the Unity of ALL Churches, faiths and traditions based in following Christ with the common thread also being the BOM. There so much more to this.
@Rise_Zion
Honestly I don't even know half of what hes talking about these days, but I wish him Well.
I agree unfortunately he doesn't explain or provide details that would help. I believe that may be intentional.
@@Rise_Zion Do you remember that Talk awhile ago by an Apostle where he talked about a Man who said that he knew there was some Lost Revelation in a Basement somewhere, and tried to enlist him into being part of this Cause, and he heeded it not, and then this man got angry, and cursed him. Subsequently having had my world rocked in the last few years with this discovery of the Restored Gospel I've found myself at the Foot of some Whacky Bunny Trails one time too many, and you can see that never prospered them. But given that I had a Dream that was basicly the concept of what the Endowment teaches, and a little Girl came forward, and Hugged me, and then a few years later with even more curious coincidences surrounding that my Daughter was born. I mean thats whats real...I think what David is talking about to a degree holds water because I've studied Navajo Traditional Teachings, and there is a connection too what we have, but its also evident that he has stepped into a very murky water. But he also said that he wouldn't go against the prophet, and now hes pretty much there...on the other hand in 2021 I was pretty mad about certain paradoxical Impasses that almost drove me mad, and too this day I don't think I'll ever be worthy to be in the presence of The Father, but on the other hand...isn't that kind of the Point? Regardless its definitely not what my Evangelical Pastor taught me. haha. Because the Book of Mormon is True, and Joseph Smith is a Prophet as is our Prophet Russel M Nelson.
Thank you for sharing that, I'm glad you haven't been led into strange paths. If you want you can email me and we can talk about those paradoxes and see if I have some answers.
I've really wondered where he thinks he will get the sealing g authority? It come from the Prophet, or those of the 12 who are authorized to give it to sealers in authorized Temples.
That is a good question. I just don't really see the benefit of building temples outside of the church at all. It would seem easier and more appropriate to work through the proper channels.
I too have deep concerns toward Chief Midegah. I share your observations of his critical spirit. Actually, I hope non-one gets caught up into his challenged situation. I pray he will repent and follow God.
Me too.
From what I've heard of Midegah, I believe he sees the connections between the Book of Mormon and his people's history, and I think he's sincere in his belief that the Book of Mormon people are his people. I see no problem with that, and it makes a lot of sense to me.
The issue is with how he speaks about, and his apparent attitude towards, those whom God has called to lead His church in these latter days. Its the lack of humility that's the most troubling. I do hope he repents and choses to follow and sustain the prophet.
Yes that is true. Additionally it feels like he believes that his people never had an apostasy which is not true.
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I watched several episodes of the chief and have a personal opinion that he is not to be followed. Again, my opinion and personal spiritual discernment only.
I have come to the same conclusions that you have. Thanks for making this video. It seems to me that Chief Midegah sincerely wants to do the right thing, and I pray that he follow the Spirit of God and help bring more people to the gospel of Jesus Christ and His restored church (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) and follow the Lord's chosen servants (President Russell M Nelson, his counselors, and the quorum of the 12 apostles). We need to love others and be open to light and truth, but be careful to keep our covenants and follow the Lord's prophet to make sure we are not deceived (by misguided well-meaning people and by false prophets).
I agree and thank you for your analysis in regards to how the Lord reveals truth and doctrine. He has set forth a pattern and it is not His pattern to “reveal” information to a person then tell them to make a TH-cam channel to convince all His children of that “truth”. I am speaking in particular to the issue of polygamy but this can also be applied to Chief Midegah as well. The Lord has a pattern for revealing truth, for teaching or proclaiming doctrine, for leading and for building up the kingdom of God on the earth and that is through His servants the prophets. Any time someone goes outside of this pattern you may know for a surety that it or they are not of God!
That's interesting, why polygamy in particular?
@ because there is a large group of people who have taken up against polygamy and their angle is that Joseph Smith never taught it or practiced it and so therefore Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, John Taylor and Lorenzo Snow were fallen prophets because they preached and practiced polygamy. Again it is not the Lord’s pattern to “reveal” truth to an individual member and then “inspire” them to make a TH-cam channel to make sure His truth gets told to all the members out there. The pattern is that he reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and when asked about this issue, President Nelson said, yes we did practice polygamy, and no we don’t now. He is the Lord’s mouthpiece and that is what he has said recently.
Oh I understand, yes I've seen these people. They too are more interested in getting people to leave the church.
@ and if they are not, that is still the affect it has!
Chief Midegah has said things that border on being critical of the Brethren. The Lord will work through His authorized servants. I unsubscribed from his channel.
I would agree if he is referring to the brethren it is not appropriate at all.
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Tons of lds people were “critical” of others that asked the church to reconsider not gutting the manti temple as the church has done with every pioneer era temple. Tons of lds members ridiculed and criticized others that wanted to have one temple semi preserved or not totally redone as it would have had to be totally redone to have it like the other temples today.
Is it critical to ask church leaders to pray again about something?
You will know them by their fruits.
Yes that is true
Actually we've already been given the answers to this and all the other things that are coming up on a thousand podcasts from members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints from Moroni 7:16 the way to judge... everything which inviteth to do good and believe in Christ is of God
and then Pres Nelson said in last talk during last conference:
"the Lord has spoken to us through his servants I urge you to study their messages; use them as a litmus test of what is true and what is not during the next 6 months". Why are there so many opinions because we're human but we don't have the right to speak for God only the prophet does. Everyone: always preface what you're going to say as opinion with a disclaimer that it is your opinion if that's all it is but if you're going to quote someone make sure you do it exactly right and not with interpretation which happens all too often. I think it's still too early to tell where a lot of these people are going but eventually it will be either down the broken spiral or up the heavenly spiral.
This is a good start, but angels of light can and do proclaim the resurrected lord.
The ‘tribes of Jacob shouting from the north’ sounds more like him tbh lol which is cool cause they will be crowned as well someday
As I understand it, Joseph Smith will be doing a work in secret in the Northern countries, after his resurrection. Of course this is somewhat speculative. What I do know is that Joseph Smith will be resurrected to complete his mission to build Zion.