This is one of the most powerful conversations I have had the privilege to hear. I have appreciated your podcast for a long time now. You share true doctrine and these words motivate me to be a better and more committed student of the scriptures. I can’t thank you enough for your work and your devotion to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The two of you discuss the issues that are so pertinent to our time and these conversations are essential. You help support others along their path of discipleship. I hope you continue to have more of these conversations. I don’t have other family that I can interface with on these topics in this way. It is so refreshing to hear voices that are grounded, steady and stalwart. Thank you so much for your work.
Greg, this was one of the best podcasts I have ever watched. It is really worth the full hour. It addressed some of the topics that my wife and I discussed about why people do not discern what’s going on out there when it seems so very obvious to us. It really does boil down to immersing yourself in the Scriptures and taking the Holy Ghost to be your guide. Very well done!
Well I know that the Delhin's, the Shelves, The Stones, and the Nemos or the social media activists are all smoking the Mists of Darkness away like Chimnley Stacks and violating the Word of Wisdom in doing so and spreading that darkness around in the church. David Alexander calls it the Accusatory Fog. Being an Activist to tear down the faith and testimony of others and criticizing and murmuring against Church leaders or picking controversial Church topics to oppose the Church on and gather to themselves their own followers goes against the doctrine of Unity that the prophet of the Church has called for..This goes back to that Speech that Elder Corbitt gave against Woke Activism in the Church. And that was given about a year or so ago now.
I listened to your podcast as I was walking my daily 5 miles, and the ZINGER was in the last 5(?) minutes when Bruce talked about a book he’d written that was turned down by Deseret Book. You two succinctly told me the core of the whole discussion : “We get what we want. If we want the scriptures, we’ll read the scriptures!” You really opened my eyes to all the “fluff” we put up with in this world! It is the word of the Lord that is our anchor! It’s the REAL STUFF! I loved your pointing this out to me. Thanks a million!
Can I ask how long it takes you to walk 5 miles. I'm sincerely interested. I have recently had joint replacement surgery. Both knees and my right hip. I want to be able to at least get to 2 and a half miles over the next 12 months. I agree with your comment, however. I like Greg's podcasts
@@jvyoung1258 It takes me about 20 minutes to walk a mile at a moderate pace, so about 1 hr 40 minutes for me. I hope that helps. Blessings for your speedy recovery!
@@andrewwood6285 that’s complicated because the rainbow is the symbol of the throne of God, and I suspect it has to do with very deep concepts. Satan highjacked the symbol of the rainbow to himself because it’s what he does. He tries to take or counterfeit everything that is God’s. Therefore, what will happen is that God is going to take the symbol of the rainbow back to himself and people will know who is God.
When I joined the church at 27 years old I received an incredible gift to discern spirits. I really needed it. This thankfully carried on throughout my full time mission. This gift to discern was at a height in the MTC. It was overwhelming to say the least. It kept me awake most nights. I knew that there were spirits surrounding me in my bed at night. I instinctively knew that I was speaking spirit to spirit with those I came into contact with. It felt like a burning in the bosom, tingling in my feet, ears and hands. I had various powerful experiences that have taught me that the Lord will teach you through certain gifts. We worry too much about what we know. The Holy Ghost matters most. The Holy Ghost can influence every situation we are in for good if we desire for him to do so. I had an experience as a newly baptised member that has taught me a lot about discernment. It’s taken me until today to realise that there are spirits around us 24 hrs a day. 🤔👍🏻
What?!? You communicate with spirits of the dead? I have never heard of that being the gift of the Spirit. I think you may want to visit with a really good counselor as there may be things going on in your brain or mind that you may need help with. Please see a doctor and whatever you do do not rely on the priesthood alone on this as they do not have the ability to assist in potential medical or psychological issues in most instances.
@@tckempton523 I did not communicate with spirits of the dead. I didn’y explain myself very well. I apologise. I received the gift to discern the spirits of those around me who were living. In my excitement to share I did mention how incredibly close I felt to the spirit world as I lay awake in my bed at night in the MTC. It’s hard to explain how that felt. I do think you have every reason to be worried. 😂
Everyone sins! It’s the natural man! The whole point is to control the natural man and “bridle your passions” God set it up as a trap! That’s why we have a Savior! It’s not about NOT sinning like our fathers taught us.. it’s about understanding sun and overcoming sin. Let’s stop being stupid Mormons!!
@@SynapticSamuraihow’s that working out for you? Not trying to be contentious, just pointing out that it’s a futile exercise unless you are yoked with Christ.
@@ChapinaUSAyou just try to improve, strive to be better, yes, we fail many times, but that’s no reason to stop trying, be positive and move forward asking God for help. Be a grateful person, and less selfish.
@@nightsky1730 but you need living prophets. The scriptures are not enough alone otherwise we wouldn't have so many different Christian denominations. You also need the Spirit as you won't have the prophet at your side at every moment.
27:00 richard g scott spoke of the importance of sanctifying ourselves. He instructed us to do the following to sanctify ourselves 1 prayer regularly 2 read/study your scriptures 3 have your Family Home Evenings 4 Pay your tithing
My parents did all 4 of these on a frequent basis daily basis and fhe weekly and it kept all of us kids active even when we got old and started our own families.
In my family growing up, we said prayer every night, always had FHE, my parents paid tithing, and we read the scriptures together daily. 70% of my siblings have left the church. It was very much going through the motions, though. I don't remember ever feeling the Spirit during any of those things that we did together. I felt it at church, and that's where I gained my testimony. I retained my testimony because I learned to do these things with real intent, after I left the home.
I love Lund's books, I have most of them in my library. I have read them all. But I read my Book of Mormon EVERY DAY WITHOUT FAIL, at least two chapters. It is my anchor keeps me grounded in the doctrines of Christ. I love all the scriptures but the Book of Mormon is so special to me...I feel so blessed to have that book today! I sympathize with all those trapped in the sideroads and ideologies of today, and I hope that going into the Millennium, their eyes will be opened and they will have a chance to find an eternal companion and experience the joy of having children, and also the wonderful joy of receiving the ordinances in the temple.
17:08 what a blessing that God waits for us to inquire before providing information. This allows us TO NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE until we’re curious/inquire first, thus we’re telling the Lord we’re ready for more.
"Once society loses its capacity to declare that some things are wrong per se, then it finds itself forever building temporary defenses, revising rationales, drawing new lines- but forever falling back and losing its nerve. A society which permits anything will eventually lose everything!" Elder Neal A. Maxwell
My patriarchal blessing says that I have the gift of discernment. So many things are so obvious to me that others struggle to know or see.
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That's in my blessing also! And I can see what is wrong and right. My gift of discernment really never kicked in until all of the stuff that has happened up till now. I've wondered why I can see what's wrong and people I know including some of my kids really don't see some of this stuff, now I realize it's part of my patriarchal blessing. Not saying I see everything but the stuff that matters I believe I can tell right from wrong.
My sister and I (I'm female) can see right through people and can discern people so well, that it kind of scares me. So, I've started to ask Heavenly Father to tell me what is the reason why I'm discerning such information about others or about the info that was shared.
About two years ago while getting a blessing to teach the 5 year olds I was told to tell people Heavenly Father loved them. I am a very friendly person with the gift of discernment. I tell any and all people that Heavenly Father wants me to tell them he loves them. Sometimes I say more with the whole story of the blessing I was given. Sometimes not. I do it by the Holy Spirit whispering to me. It has been such a wonderful journey. I always have positive reactions. I recently realized some don’t understand the Holy Spirit's ways. Then I explain it is the Holy Spirit speaking to them and tell them that the HS tells the truth of all things. I asked Heavenly Father why I was doing this. What am I learning? I was told one reason so I could better learn about listening to the Holy Spirit. The reactions of the people are amazing. I now tell people on the phone and get the same positive reaction. Bottom line we will not survive the last days without the Holy Spirit. I am a plain and simple person plus a convert of 55 years. The Gospel is not complicated.
I just loved your comment! It resonated with me because I do the same thing. You kind of walk with listening to the holy Spirit all the time You are instructed what to do and what to say and even what not to say. It is a beautiful way to live and I'm so glad that you said it so well! I would actually love to know you. I'm sure many other people feel that way about you too!
@@lindathomas2350 You said, "I would actually love to know you." If you are serious how do you do that online. I am a 76 year old lady and don't know how to do this. I live in NC and need to go to bed.
I so appreciate this conversation today. I am one who doesn't understand how to study the scriptures very well. I do follow come follow me. I am trying to understand how to study the scriptures. It seems like the podcasts I have been listening to have really been trying to get us to study the scriptures. I am going to do better!
I was where you are at a long time ago. It has been so worth it to keep going. I understand so much more now! Line upon line! ❤
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I'm still at the same point you are in studying that scriptures but the ones who have helped the most to understand is Ward Radio when they have Jonah Barnes and Dave Butler and Mike Day on. Or even the podcast The Stick of Joseph.
The thing I'm really good at studying is the second coming. But we're supposed to be studying the atonement. I read a book that helps me to understand the atonement more. If I don't read books then I hardly understand the scriptures
@trishachristensen7667 i was just getting on here to state a similar comment. I personally can say that because I was not brought up in an active family, that it has been so difficult and confusing for me, to follow the scriptures! Seminary is where I learned to love the gospel teachings. However, after graduating, I fell back into old habits of not studying. I read the scriptures now and then, but felt great frustration because I didn't understand them. Visiting Nauvoo, Winter Quarters, Adam-ondi-ahmen, Far West, Carthage and Liberty Jails around 2016 really lit a fire under me to start my reading back up. Then in 2020 the CFM Program changed my life. I listened to CWIC, and Greg really taught me a lot!! I'm the type that I study better if I'm introduced first. If Im given a summary, back history, anything as a point of reference then It gets me started. My go that I faithfully listen to are Greg Matsen (CWIC) Randy Brown, "Talking Scriptures" with Bryce Dunford & Mike Day, and any program with Bruce Porter or David Butler. I've watched ward radio a little, and I really do enjoy the stick of Joseph, but sometimes they're too silly for me lol Just keep your scriptures by you and pause to write notes (especially with talking scriptures) It's amazing to reflect and ponder! The Holy Ghost will help and teach you! I've appreciated CWIC/Greg, mostly for keeping me savvy to current religious events and its awareness. I learn from every episode!
Thank you for your wisdom. The Gift of the Holy Ghost is a gift we must work daily to enjoy. We are truly a church of JOY!!! Taking on the name of Christ is JOY!!!
Love your insight. Thank you pres. Nelson told the women of the church, we need women who can discern deception in all its forms. Important for all members.
Wonderful discussion Greg and Bruce. I appreciate your wisdom and knowledge about acquiring the love of reading, study, and pondering the scriptures. I believe there might come a day when our love of the scriptures will save many souls from the lust of believing in darkness as opposed to light. But, it will also take a righteous heart who knows scripture study is just as important as breathing. Continue to bring more light to love the light of Christ through the study of the scriptures.
Your comments tie into my study this morning: "...and yet they did deny the more parts of his gospel, insomuch that they did receive all manner of wickedness..." - 4 Nephi 1:27 Seems to me many are denying justice and truth in favor of distorted tolerance (with virtue-signaling & distorted empathy). This took me to Alma 13:12: "Now they, after being sanctified by the Holy Ghost, having their garments made white, being pure and spotless before God, could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence..." It seems many have changed this into: "[They] could not look upon sin save it were with [tolerance, Diversity, Inclusion, & Equity]" I think this imbalance between truth & love, justice & mercy is one of the main things Elder Holland was referring to in conference.
Great show Greg. The point is very well taken as we imagine a God who accepts us as we are instead of us turning to him that mist of darkness keeps us out of exultation if we don’t repent and change.
Not meaning to disappoint you, Greg, but I don't feel confused at all. Love God, love one another, make and keep covenants, pray and repent, study and learn from the best books, make someone's day their best day ever, sustain the brethren (and 'sistren'), when in doubt go over this checklist and those fiery darts seem to disappear faster than milk strippings. 😊❤
Great episode!!!!👏👏👏 I’ve been READING scripture this past year more than anytime in my life and I look forward to my reading time! Finally learning what “feast” upon the Word really feels like!
I am so glad that you addressed this. I have watched in shock over the last two years as members, whose testimony I thought was rock solid, have left the church.
Bruce Porter speaks with the same cadence, at times, as one of my favorite men to have lived on Earth who was the Apostle Boyd K Packer. I loved that man, I devour his talks, I try to be like him (I fail at that, but he’s my apostolic hero per se), I don’t do well with fluff.
Boy, I'd like to learn more about the remnant! So...I will take the advice of these 2 worthy, brilliant brothers and study the scriptures. Thank you both, this was insightful and encouraging.
Thank you so much for this presentation. I have already shared it with several family members and plan to review it myself. Micah 6:8 is a favorite scripture I often ponder. God certainly shares wisdom and discernment in that journey. Again, many thanks!
I just want you to know that out of all the influencers on TH-cam, you’re my favorite. You don’t beat around the bush and you call out members who are normalizing sin.
Thoughts of an older lady that my parents met in Canada on their mission keep coming to mind when speaking of the Prophet's statement about the constant guidance and comforting of the Holy Ghost. She had spent years in prison camp for stealing a handful of wheat which she put in her pocket. Her three children had died of starvation during WWII. She thoroughly believed there was no God. The trauma and length of these horrible experiences convinced her that God did not exist. We know traumatic events are coming and are happening on the earth especially with natural disasters. The only way that we will survive these coming events will be by preparing ourselves daily with prayer, scriptures, taking the sacrament, temple worship, and gratitude for daily blessings will help us. Just hearing the news is stressful without even being in areas of danger physically or spiritually.
Im finding I don’t trust the leaders much anymore…so trusting the scriptures are more important than ever before. Prayer and listening for guidance from The Holy Spirit is my guide everyday…understanding seems to come from prayer and scripture..daily ..
You appear to be part of a growing trend among members of our church. You revere dead prophets and revile living ones. Let me guess, the first presidency and Q12 don't come out strongly enough against the woke nonsense in the world? Maybe the prophet's remark on the vaccine being "safe and effective" turned you off. I get it. I wish they'd come out preaching fire and brimstone, too, but that's not their style for whatever reason. The Church has not, nor will it ever endorse all the LGBT nonsense. I also wish they'd speak in stronger terms sometimes, but those men are still prophets and apostles and this Church, which was expressly set up for these times, is still true. For what it's worth: never let your politics get in the way of your covenants. It's rampant nowadays. People on the left (especially) and right turn against leaders because something the leaders say offends their political views. Don't let that happen.
Thank you both for this insightful podcast. It helped me realized of things as they really are. The scriptures are really the standard to help us be connected to the iron rod in these times as always. Thank you!
Towards the end you mentioned the importance of our own personal scripture study and taking time to "Read the Scriptures" ask, seek, knock . Rather than the a quick cotton candy nourishment fix of being entertained by watching a video. Thank you for the reminder, it easy to get caught up in the entertainment and think it the same as reading, certainly it its not.
I am grateful for those who take the time to do videos, I myself have always had consentration issues when it comes to reading. Firsthand is best,but listening to good people has greatly enhanced my knowledge and testimony, which also takes a discerning eye and help from the spirit/holy ghost. Thank you, Greg and Bruce. What an awesome combination.
In April 2018 we were given a commandant and road map for navigating and surviving (spiritually) the days 4 years into. When the time of tribulation began in 2020 many members demanded those in Salt Lake tell them what to do and think. There were three responses telling them to think and pray for themselves. The demands intensified. A photo was was published and many took that as their answer. A letter went out without the revealed seal we were instructed would be required on all official communications. People declared it a commandant, then used it to condemn and oppress fellow worshippers. We were given a warning at the end of this last conference with a time constraint of 6 months. That warning is built on the foundation of the commandant given in April 2018. Without obedience to that 2018 directive there is no understanding the current instructions.
@lukeslc-xd8ds When Noah built the Ark people laughed and said things weren't that bad. Well, things are worse now. If you doubt it, I recommend you get a job at a public middle school.
@@tjkasglcould you please clarify which commandant in 2018 you refer to? I’m honestly interested in looking it up and reading the talk. Also, if you are able, could you send a reference to the times they mentioned “pray for yourselves” about the Covid stuff? I swear I remember them saying that too but I can’t find any written articles about it now?
Even the very elect will be deceived in the last day. Even they will not be able to discern without the Holy Ghost, because of sin we can not receive the witness or the truth needed from the Holy Ghost.
Great conversation. Would love to hear you talk about the topic Jonah Barnes talked about recently about the life cycle of religions and where we are at in the church.
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Love Jonah Barnes, I also bought his book and he's a hoot! Even discussing the scriptures he can make you laugh😂😂😂. Also David Butler and Mike Day are ones to help you understand the scriptures.
Clear thinking! One of the problems in my opinion with getting ppl to read scriptures is this, you can’t ignore the fact that for years we’ve had a decline in school systems and also we can’t ignore the issue of increasing ADD and ADHD issues with children which I think is brought on by really bad food and chemicals so it is quite a feet to keep their attentionIt’s a struggle. They may be wanting to read it, but get discouraged when there’s that barrier of understanding because of their inability to read which comes with learning disabilities and I think there’s a lot of that. That being said, God knows this so the faith and desire needs to be great!
I want to add to your thoughts, we suffer from scriptural illiteracy, and too many people push the platitude of "read your scripture".....the thing is scripture study is a personal thing, we need open discussions on what works, what does this look like......
Great episode, Greg. Really enjoyed this one. One of the greatest discoveries of the Book of Mormon that I came across many ,many years ago, talks about this very subject of discernment. The key to understanding and applying the gift of discernment is found in Moroni 7:12-19. Particularly verses 15-17. [ 15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night. 16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God. 17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.] It is so crystal clear of how to judge between good and evil in these verses. It even states we can have a PERFECT KNOWLEDGE of choosing between good and evil. Not many, if any, does the scriptures teach of perfection that I know of. I study these verses often to stay fresh and REMINDED of judging between good and evil.
One of the things I've become aware of, is in actuality they are teaching that lust is love and love is lust. We are pressured to accept and love their definition although in the end it is destructive to spiritual progress, damages the soul and bears no good fruit.
Thank you for sharing your discussion with Bruce Porter. It was very thought provoking and interesting. Knowing these mists of darkness are present in our day and the truth we have and that can be read and found in God’s word, I find myself asking how best can I bridge the gap with those I’ve been commanded to love (all people of course, including those in my own faith who believe differently) without infringing upon their agency or beliefs, or imposing/forcing my beliefs upon them potentially alienating them or groups of people which could widen that gap between them and truth? And doing so with integrity to truth and my personal discipleship and covenant relationship with Jesus Christ. A challenge of a lifetime no doubt! Elder Oaks gave a great talk in the Oct 2014 Conference titled, Loving Others and Living with Differences, that contains a lot of great counsel with scriptural references that I have found personally helpful in this wrestle. I would invite anyone else who may be wrestling with what our individual and collective approach as fellow Christians in this regard should be especially given our current tempered political and social climates.
@ His talks on political matters are great! I appreciate his expertise on the subject and how he breaks it downs and spells it out in relation to the Gospel.
We don't know exactly how much time transpired amid the fall of Adam and Eve. Someone from a ward of mine who was quite versed in the scriptures postulated that the fall of Adam and Eve may have happened over the course of 1,000 years. . . . There does, however, appear to be a few common threads amid those who understand the plan of God and who engage in the steady dedication of a lifetime (name of a Dallin H. Oaks discourse) - dedication of a lifetime. As always very insightful content here. Absolute appreciate these discussions.
I think my answer to the question about how to get people to read the scriptures is to help people to be curious. I came alive with books to help understand the scriptures, come follow me, and conference talks. Now I am hungry and I love the scriptures like never before. It has been a process. The milk and then the steak. I feel such joy that I can finally study the scriptures and they have come alive for me. They are living scriptures. I want more. I do believe more. I came to find understanding and to line up with the Savior. In these troubled times, i found a source. I see how the scriptures make sense of my life. I see why the Lord wanted us to have what we have. Thank you for such a great discussion. I have had it on my mind a lot of what I will present to the Lord when it is my turn to report. ❤
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how to get people to READ the scriptures..........they must KNOW HOW TO READ ANYTHING FIRST.!!!!!!! tell someone that can't read to 8th grade level to " read the scriptures " and it will go right over their head . whether it's king james or new modern bible or BofM , they will NOT be able to do it , and they will STRUGGLE so much that they will quit. most young people now DON'T READ . they WATCH and listen to stuff . they do NOT READ BOOKS. especially those kids who have ADD/ADHD , which is a LARGE segment of the youth population.
This was a fun topic to listen to. I know how difficult it must have been to speak about. I am so grateful you and Bruce are willing to discuss this. I really like how Bruce said he can speak to what the scriptures say but not what someone thinks and feels is the truth. I am amazed how people forget that the gospel is found in the scriptures. It is true that we can receive revelation from our Heavenly Father when we are willing to do his will. It was great hearing you guys talk about understanding "Gods" divination/revelation VS. our own wants and desires. It is important to love our fellow brothers and sisters, but it is also our responsibility to call them to repentance when they rebel from God in the name of love and tolerance. Father and Christ did not say their Gospel would be easy; we have to choose to do what is right when hard things are placed before us. Like the scriptures say man cannot serve two masters. We should choose God and his son, thank you for agency. Awesome job as always Greg and thank you for having Bruce on again, he is always great to hear from.
27:00 wow, the next 5ish minutes was an eye opener for me! I have much knowledge but what good does it do me if i dont discern and live worthily?! Thank you for this!!
If you don't have discernment, do you really have agency? Good choices are made with good information. If we aren't willing to see the task truth of things, whether it's pleasant to us or not, we imprison ourselves. The agency we were given, we trade away for..."...a bowl of pottage..."
Key is read, study, ponder, pray. It’s upon us to do the work by searching it out and then seeking the lord for confirmation. Lord wants us to put forth some effort.
How can the stronger of us be deceived? It’s hard for me to imagine. Will there be some extremely sneaky things to catch us, maybe 99% truth and 1% lie? All the things that are making people fall today are obvious to most faithful members of the church.
Agreed, this is also my question. Right now, everything feel pretty obvious. So I’m wondering how tricky this is going to get. The wheat are being told they are chaff by the chaff and the chaff think they are the wheat. That seems pretty obvious to most of the church currently. But they seem to be trying to warn us of more stuff coming.
“Most faithful”? interesting comment. In my years on this planet, I remember making that statement after my mission and interestingly it wasn’t a year later life’s trials were making a mockery of my spiritual pride. I’d be careful before patting oneself on the back. Living our faith, especially in Utah, is relatively easy. We don’t have the same physical hardships our pioneer ancestors dealt with and our relatively easy lives could be upended in minutes with an act of God or simply pride, which no one is immune. There could be many ways the Saints could be challenged and these gifts of the spirit will be necessary.
@ so you don’t call those striving to endure to the end faithful? What do you call them then? The trials of the pioneers are different from the trials of today. They were more physical with the lack of technology. Life today is not “easy”, more comfortable with technology, yes, but more difficult spiritually. Our leaders have said multiple times that the most valiant spirits were sent to earth these days when the devil is working his hardest when he knows his time is short. I didn’t grow up in UT or the US, I’m from a different country where I was the only member in my family (for a few years), and the only member in my school, the only member in my work, etc.
I fully agree that one the biggest issues today comes down to the idea you mentioned, "do I THINK I am " listneing to and acting on the truth. There are so many sources of confusion present in the world right now that especially the inexperienced person has great difficulty determining what is the FULL truth. I say inexperienced deliberatley in the sense that we heve to "try," meaning to practice, the principle so that we gain understanding of how to use it. Even Christ learned through the things that he suffered, i.e. experienced. When we are familiar enough with how to practice a principle we then begin to understand the "why" of its purpose and value and power. This is also the case with the gift of discernment. But how do we know that our "practice sessionn" with it produces in a true or accurate result? That is where scripture examples "bear witness" to our mind AND the Holy Ghost bears witness to our spirit (heart). I experienced this many times while serving as a bishop in Wyoming and later as a counselori in a stake presidency in Alamosa Colorado. I heard myself say many, many times when giving a blessing in different situations that the person would find the "confirmation" they were seeking by reading from the Doctrine and Covenants. Why the D&C? Because it ismthe only book of scripture that is actually first person scripture. Meaning these verses ARE the voice of the Lord, Him giving his direct answers, and not someone telling what they heard him say like all the others scriptures do. Then the person receiving the blessing would come back to me sometime later and tell me how that blessing had been fulfilled. Too many people today, especially the rising adult generation have been fed a diet of a quick response and rather put and idea to the test of the scriptures, they instead follow the fad!
President Dallin H. Oaks described this when he said: “We are commanded to love everyone, since Jesus’s parable of the good Samaritan teaches that everyone is our neighbor. But our zeal to keep this second commandment must not cause us to forget the first, to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind.”
The democratization you speak of is what allows us to exercise our moral agency and consciously choose where we will spend our eternities. In my view, that’s what makes that democratization a necessity.
I think president Nelson’s advice is very relevant to this. At the end of conference he said to use the conference talks as a litmus test for the next 6 months to know what is true. Very interesting that he commented that, instead of saying “use the scriptures” or “the spirit”, which are of course always good answers, but could he be seeing something specific that the talks will address?
Hey look at this scripture that relates to this discussion really well! D&C 46:7 But ye are commanded in all things to ask of God, who giveth liberally; and that which the Spirit testifies unto you even so I would that ye should do in all holiness of heart, walking uprightly before me, considering the end of your salvation, doing all things with prayer and thanksgiving, that ye may not be seduced by evil spirits, or doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men; for some are of men, and others of devils.
We should emphasize that we can ask for more spiritual gifts and if the gift of discernment isn’t a gift you have, you can ask for it if you use it for good. Credal Christian’s believe they all hold the priesthood and they alone discern scripture so for us to have all worthy makes hold the priesthood seems much safer than everyone deciding for himself.
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The darkness is like a fog you can go slow and go just so far before you are lost. If you have a teather youll never get lost. The teather is the Iron Rod.
At 47:50 you ask the question how do you get away from the scriptures? In pondering this myself I have noticed this notion termed, “being baptized with fire and the Holy Ghost.” The various anti-Christs all seem to have a common experience that they were deceived by an angel of light or messenger. They felt they had gone to the temple but broke order with Fathers house of order and came into His presence without the enduring to the end and receiving the coronation ordinances which afford a worthy couple to have confirmed upon them the keys for such an experience. The result is a posture that the authorized leadership is fallen. They have had this experience and they always announce publicly that which under proper circumstances they would covenant not to disclose. They have a baptism of fire and then can not endure the experience and trod down the path of say Korihor. These patterns and the Temple ordinances our given for a reason and it appears Father has His reasons and order of things when it comes to arriving back into His presence. Just an observation Great show
I believe this to be very simple. Isaiah addressed this topic with king Ahaz when he said in essence - You do not understand (you are deceived) because you are not loyal. We do not need worry about anyone beyond ourselves. Our prime concern ought to be our proclivity to be deceived. We can know for ourselves if we are loyal to G-d. Isaiah also clearly pointed out how we become separated from G-d. He said we are separated from G-d by “Transgressing the Law, Changing the Ordinances and Breaking the Covenants.”
I know members who support the culture based on the scriptures they read. In the end, it will all be properly sorted. Christ sheep are numbered, those who care will find him, and they will find him through the scriptures with the aid of the holy ghost.
I don't believe it is scriptural that Eve believed she would not die if she ate the fruit. She did not know who Satan was. She was deceived about his identity. But she SAW that there was no other way to keep all of God's commandments without partaking the fruit.
Good conversation. one thing I can't understand is how can you promote pastor jeff who opposes the church and then so nonchalantly speak about discernment. Contradictory If you ask me.
29:30 11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell. You lose “knowledge” and wisdom until…
This is one of the most powerful conversations I have had the privilege to hear. I have appreciated your podcast for a long time now. You share true doctrine and these words motivate me to be a better and more committed student of the scriptures. I can’t thank you enough for your work and your devotion to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The two of you discuss the issues that are so pertinent to our time and these conversations are essential. You help support others along their path of discipleship. I hope you continue to have more of these conversations. I don’t have other family that I can interface with on these topics in this way. It is so refreshing to hear voices that are grounded, steady and stalwart.
Thank you so much for your work.
Greg, this was one of the best podcasts I have ever watched. It is really worth the full hour. It addressed some of the topics that my wife and I discussed about why people do not discern what’s going on out there when it seems so very obvious to us. It really does boil down to immersing yourself in the Scriptures and taking the Holy Ghost to be your guide. Very well done!
Well I know that the Delhin's, the Shelves, The Stones, and the Nemos or the social media activists are all smoking the Mists of Darkness away like Chimnley Stacks and violating the Word of Wisdom in doing so and spreading that darkness around in the church. David Alexander calls it the Accusatory Fog. Being an Activist to tear down the faith and testimony of others and criticizing and murmuring against Church leaders or picking controversial Church topics to oppose the Church on and gather to themselves their own followers goes against the doctrine of Unity that the prophet of the Church has called for..This goes back to that Speech that Elder Corbitt gave against Woke Activism in the Church. And that was given about a year or so ago now.
"Trust not in the arm of flesh... not even your own".
What a profound perspective. Thanks for that insight.
I listened to your podcast as I was walking my daily 5 miles, and the ZINGER was in the last 5(?) minutes when Bruce talked about a book he’d written that was turned down by Deseret Book. You two succinctly told me the core of the whole discussion : “We get what we want. If we want the scriptures, we’ll read the scriptures!” You really opened my eyes to all the “fluff” we put up with in this world! It is the word of the Lord that is our anchor! It’s the REAL STUFF! I loved your pointing this out to me. Thanks a million!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Can I ask how long it takes you to walk 5 miles. I'm sincerely interested. I have recently had joint replacement surgery. Both knees and my right hip. I want to be able to at least get to 2 and a half miles over the next 12 months. I agree with your comment, however. I like Greg's podcasts
@jvyoung1258 I'm in decent shape for someone who is 45 years old and it take me about an hour and a half.
@@jvyoung1258 It takes me about 20 minutes to walk a mile at a moderate pace, so about 1 hr 40 minutes for me. I hope that helps. Blessings for your speedy recovery!
“Beware of Pride” 🏳️🌈 is more prophetic than we realize.
Good point!
Lord - Just make make the rainbows go away, please.
The problem is not the rainbow but what it means to us when we see one. @@andrewwood6285
@@andrewwood6285 that’s complicated because the rainbow is the symbol of the throne of God, and I suspect it has to do with very deep concepts. Satan highjacked the symbol of the rainbow to himself because it’s what he does. He tries to take or counterfeit everything that is God’s. Therefore, what will happen is that God is going to take the symbol of the rainbow back to himself and people will know who is God.
Wow! Never thought of it that way...😮
When I joined the church at 27 years old I received an incredible gift to discern spirits. I really needed it. This thankfully carried on throughout my full time mission. This gift to discern was at a height in the MTC. It was overwhelming to say the least. It kept me awake most nights. I knew that there were spirits surrounding me in my bed at night. I instinctively knew that I was speaking spirit to spirit with those I came into contact with. It felt like a burning in the bosom, tingling in my feet, ears and hands.
I had various powerful experiences that have taught me that the Lord will teach you through certain gifts. We worry too much about what we know. The Holy Ghost matters most. The Holy Ghost can influence every situation we are in for good if we desire for him to do so.
I had an experience as a newly baptised member that has taught me a lot about discernment. It’s taken me until today to realise that there are spirits around us 24 hrs a day. 🤔👍🏻
Inspiring story 😊
What?!? You communicate with spirits of the dead? I have never heard of that being the gift of the Spirit. I think you may want to visit with a really good counselor as there may be things going on in your brain or mind that you may need help with. Please see a doctor and whatever you do do not rely on the priesthood alone on this as they do not have the ability to assist in potential medical or psychological issues in most instances.
@@tckempton523 I did not communicate with spirits of the dead. I didn’y explain myself very well. I apologise.
I received the gift to discern the spirits of those around me who were living. In my excitement to share I did mention how incredibly close I felt to the spirit world as I lay awake in my bed at night in the MTC. It’s hard to explain how that felt.
I do think you have every reason to be worried. 😂
It’s important to never justify sin or water it down. Sin is sin, that’s it.
Everyone sins! It’s the natural man! The whole point is to control the natural man and “bridle your passions” God set it up as a trap! That’s why we have a Savior! It’s not about NOT sinning like our fathers taught us.. it’s about understanding sun and overcoming sin. Let’s stop being stupid Mormons!!
@@99blackbirdsnever justify or water it down. They didn't say be perfect.
@@reppi8742hmm... Mathew 5:48 be ye therefore perfect. Even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.
@@SynapticSamuraihow’s that working out for you? Not trying to be contentious, just pointing out that it’s a futile exercise unless you are yoked with Christ.
@@ChapinaUSAyou just try to improve, strive to be better, yes, we fail many times, but that’s no reason to stop trying, be positive and move forward asking God for help. Be a grateful person, and less selfish.
If you stick with the scriptures and that’s what you follow, you’re not gonna be confused.
Amen!
@@nightsky1730 but you need living prophets. The scriptures are not enough alone otherwise we wouldn't have so many different Christian denominations. You also need the Spirit as you won't have the prophet at your side at every moment.
Not according to President Nelson. We need to actively be attending the temple, too. Even the elect could be deceived by what is coming.
@@rubengariby6539 the brethren pushing the vax kind of messed that up for a lot of people
I think we need the modern revelation part, too. There are a couple hundred churches that share our scriptures. Only one has the keys of authority.
27:00 richard g scott spoke of the importance of sanctifying ourselves. He instructed us to do the following to sanctify ourselves
1 prayer regularly
2 read/study your scriptures
3 have your Family Home Evenings
4 Pay your tithing
@@mattwebb8234 Agreed. I have never seen someone that truly does these things that have stranded away from righteousness.
When was the last time you heard anyone talk about having family home evenings. I don’t think I’ve heard it in my adult life.
My parents did all 4 of these on a frequent basis daily basis and fhe weekly and it kept all of us kids active even when we got old and started our own families.
In my family growing up, we said prayer every night, always had FHE, my parents paid tithing, and we read the scriptures together daily. 70% of my siblings have left the church.
It was very much going through the motions, though. I don't remember ever feeling the Spirit during any of those things that we did together. I felt it at church, and that's where I gained my testimony. I retained my testimony because I learned to do these things with real intent, after I left the home.
@FebbieG amazing comment! Real intent is critical.
I love Lund's books, I have most of them in my library. I have read them all. But I read my Book of Mormon EVERY DAY WITHOUT FAIL, at least two chapters. It is my anchor keeps me grounded in the doctrines of Christ. I love all the scriptures but the Book of Mormon is so special to me...I feel so blessed to have that book today!
I sympathize with all those trapped in the sideroads and ideologies of today, and I hope that going into the Millennium, their eyes will be opened and they will have a chance to find an eternal companion and experience the joy of having children, and also the wonderful joy of receiving the ordinances in the temple.
17:08 what a blessing that God waits for us to inquire before providing information. This allows us TO NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE until we’re curious/inquire first, thus we’re telling the Lord we’re ready for more.
"Once society loses its capacity to declare that some things are wrong per se, then it finds itself forever building temporary defenses, revising rationales, drawing new lines- but forever falling back and losing its nerve. A society which permits anything will eventually lose everything!"
Elder Neal A. Maxwell
I have prayed for discernment for years. I am amazed at how he has answered my prayers. Amen, trust not in the arm of flesh!
I’m love listening to you two discuss and teach. Thank you.
My patriarchal blessing says that I have the gift of discernment. So many things are so obvious to me that others struggle to know or see.
That's in my blessing also! And I can see what is wrong and right. My gift of discernment really never kicked in until all of the stuff that has happened up till now. I've wondered why I can see what's wrong and people I know including some of my kids really don't see some of this stuff, now I realize it's part of my patriarchal blessing. Not saying I see everything but the stuff that matters I believe I can tell right from wrong.
My sister and I (I'm female) can see right through people and can discern people so well, that it kind of scares me. So, I've started to ask Heavenly Father to tell me what is the reason why I'm discerning such information about others or about the info that was shared.
And I've also started to ask what He wants me to do with such information.
So I guess you anti Tramp ?
@@andriy457 nope, you guessed wrong.
About two years ago while getting a blessing to teach the 5 year olds I was told to tell people Heavenly Father loved them. I am a very friendly person with the gift of discernment.
I tell any and all people that Heavenly Father wants me to tell them he loves them.
Sometimes I say more with the whole story of the blessing I was given. Sometimes not.
I do it by the Holy Spirit whispering to me. It has been such a wonderful journey.
I always have positive reactions. I recently realized some don’t understand the Holy Spirit's ways. Then I explain it is the Holy Spirit speaking to them and tell them that the HS tells the truth of all things.
I asked Heavenly Father why I was doing this. What am I learning? I was told one reason so I could better learn about listening to the Holy Spirit.
The reactions of the people are amazing. I now tell people on the phone and get the same positive reaction.
Bottom line we will not survive the last days without the Holy Spirit.
I am a plain and simple person plus a convert of 55 years. The Gospel is not complicated.
Awesome! It really is so simple!
I just loved your comment! It resonated with me because I do the same thing. You kind of walk with listening to the holy Spirit all the time You are instructed what to do and what to say and even what not to say. It is a beautiful way to live and I'm so glad that you said it so well! I would actually love to know you. I'm sure many other people feel that way about you too!
@@lindathomas2350 Thank you for your kind words. Writing for me, does not come easy but the desire to share is greater.
@@lindathomas2350 You said, "I would actually love to know you." If you are serious how do you do that online. I am a 76 year old lady and don't know how to do this. I live in NC and need to go to bed.
I so appreciate this conversation today. I am one who doesn't understand how to study the scriptures very well. I do follow come follow me. I am trying to understand how to study the scriptures. It seems like the podcasts I have been listening to have really been trying to get us to study the scriptures. I am going to do better!
I was where you are at a long time ago. It has been so worth it to keep going. I understand so much more now! Line upon line! ❤
I'm still at the same point you are in studying that scriptures but the ones who have helped the most to understand is Ward Radio when they have Jonah Barnes and Dave Butler and Mike Day on. Or even the podcast The Stick of Joseph.
@@deborahcasper6120 do you mind me asking how you got into it so much
The thing I'm really good at studying is the second coming. But we're supposed to be studying the atonement. I read a book that helps me to understand the atonement more. If I don't read books then I hardly understand the scriptures
@trishachristensen7667 i was just getting on here to state a similar comment. I personally can say that because I was not brought up in an active family, that it has been so difficult and confusing for me, to follow the scriptures! Seminary is where I learned to love the gospel teachings. However, after graduating, I fell back into old habits of not studying. I read the scriptures now and then, but felt great frustration because I didn't understand them.
Visiting Nauvoo, Winter Quarters, Adam-ondi-ahmen, Far West, Carthage and Liberty Jails around 2016 really lit a fire under me to start my reading back up. Then in 2020 the CFM Program changed my life. I listened to CWIC, and Greg really taught me a lot!! I'm the type that I study better if I'm introduced first. If Im given a summary, back history, anything as a point of reference then It gets me started. My go that I faithfully listen to are Greg Matsen (CWIC) Randy Brown, "Talking Scriptures" with Bryce Dunford & Mike Day, and any program with Bruce Porter or David Butler. I've watched ward radio a little, and I really do enjoy the stick of Joseph, but sometimes they're too silly for me lol Just keep your scriptures by you and pause to write notes (especially with talking scriptures) It's amazing to reflect and ponder! The Holy Ghost will help and teach you!
I've appreciated CWIC/Greg, mostly for keeping me savvy to current religious events and its awareness. I learn from every episode!
Thank you for your wisdom. The Gift of the Holy Ghost is a gift we must work daily to enjoy. We are truly a church of JOY!!! Taking on the name of Christ is JOY!!!
I have listened to this 5 times .
Amazing . Soooooo important! Thank you ❤
Your comment about an "entertainment based culture" is 100% accurate in my opinion.
Love your insight. Thank you pres. Nelson told the women of the church, we need women who can discern deception in all its forms. Important for all members.
excellent!!.. you guys are asking the hard questions that are super important. We need these types of conversations. Keep em coming!!
More to come!
Wonderful discussion Greg and Bruce. I appreciate your wisdom and knowledge about acquiring the love of reading, study, and pondering the scriptures. I believe there might come a day when our love of the scriptures will save many souls from the lust of believing in darkness as opposed to light.
But, it will also take a righteous heart who knows scripture study is just as important as breathing.
Continue to bring more light to love the light of Christ through the study of the scriptures.
Your comments tie into my study this morning:
"...and yet they did deny the more parts of his gospel, insomuch that they did receive all manner of wickedness..."
- 4 Nephi 1:27
Seems to me many are denying justice and truth in favor of distorted tolerance (with virtue-signaling & distorted empathy).
This took me to Alma 13:12:
"Now they, after being sanctified by the Holy Ghost, having their garments made white, being pure and spotless before God, could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence..."
It seems many have changed this into:
"[They] could not look upon sin save it were with [tolerance, Diversity, Inclusion, & Equity]"
I think this imbalance between truth & love, justice & mercy is one of the main things Elder Holland was referring to in conference.
Well stated.
Great show Greg. The point is very well taken as we imagine a God who accepts us as we are instead of us turning to him that mist of darkness keeps us out of exultation if we don’t repent and change.
Thank you for all your hard work. I love your channel and feel very unburdened by what has been.
Not meaning to disappoint you, Greg, but I don't feel confused at all. Love God, love one another, make and keep covenants, pray and repent, study and learn from the best books, make someone's day their best day ever, sustain the brethren (and 'sistren'), when in doubt go over this checklist and those fiery darts seem to disappear faster than milk strippings.
😊❤
I don't think Greg would be disappointed. We all have gifts of the spirit, and our gifts are different.
..I see Bruce Porter - I click on.
Me too! He is my favorite guest of Greg’s.
He’s got his own channel with lots of good content
@ what is it called?
@@robynmills5534 Bruce porter. You’ll see his face He’s wearing a blue shirt
The most discerning people I have met are generally self educated.
Interesting.
Some definitely *can* be, but that same group is also among most self deceived.
Great episode!!!!👏👏👏 I’ve been READING scripture this past year more than anytime in my life and I look forward to my reading time! Finally learning what “feast” upon the Word really feels like!
I am so glad that you addressed this. I have watched in shock over the last two years as members, whose testimony I thought was rock solid, have left the church.
Bruce Porter speaks with the same cadence, at times, as one of my favorite men to have lived on Earth who was the Apostle Boyd K Packer. I loved that man, I devour his talks, I try to be like him (I fail at that, but he’s my apostolic hero per se), I don’t do well with fluff.
Exactly. So wonderful to listen to someone who has no question, no doubt of what he speaks. Such strength!!!
I love Elder Packer, too! What a great man! His biography didn't disappoint
Boy, I'd like to learn more about the remnant! So...I will take the advice of these 2 worthy, brilliant brothers and study the scriptures.
Thank you both, this was insightful and encouraging.
Thank you so much for this presentation. I have already shared it with several family members and plan to review it myself. Micah 6:8 is a favorite scripture I often ponder. God certainly shares wisdom and discernment in that journey. Again, many thanks!
I just want you to know that out of all the influencers on TH-cam, you’re my favorite. You don’t beat around the bush and you call out members who are normalizing sin.
One of your best videos!!!
So many of my feelings were addressed.
I also have a renewed desire to study the scriptures more! Thanks!
Thoughts of an older lady that my parents met in Canada on their mission keep coming to mind when speaking of the Prophet's statement about the constant guidance and comforting of the Holy Ghost. She had spent years in prison camp for stealing a handful of wheat which she put in her pocket. Her three children had died of starvation during WWII. She thoroughly believed there was no God. The trauma and length of these horrible experiences convinced her that God did not exist. We know traumatic events are coming and are happening on the earth especially with natural disasters. The only way that we will survive these coming events will be by preparing ourselves daily with prayer, scriptures, taking the sacrament, temple worship, and gratitude for daily blessings will help us. Just hearing the news is stressful without even being in areas of danger physically or spiritually.
We are in spiritual warfare now. It's brutal. What could be worse than spiritual death?
Loved this. Thank you. It's so nice to hear others who feel the desire to learn at the feet of Christ ❤️
Greg, I’m I really like Bro. Porter. I’ll keep my opinions of Paster Jeff to myself. I do however, agree with you on most things.
So many truths from the scriptures discussed here. Thank you.
I truly enjoy your segments. This is exceptionally good. True doctrine, humble discussion. Perfect.
Truth is addicting. Bruce has a lot of it.
Yeah!!! Bruce porter!!!
WOW!! Excellent pod cast!!!! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, understand and spirit. God Bless you. 🙏
Im finding I don’t trust the leaders much anymore…so trusting the scriptures are more important than ever before. Prayer and listening for guidance from The Holy Spirit is my guide everyday…understanding seems to come from prayer and scripture..daily ..
Hmmm, the words of the prophet and apostles, when spoken with the authority of God, is scripture.
You appear to be part of a growing trend among members of our church. You revere dead prophets and revile living ones. Let me guess, the first presidency and Q12 don't come out strongly enough against the woke nonsense in the world? Maybe the prophet's remark on the vaccine being "safe and effective" turned you off. I get it. I wish they'd come out preaching fire and brimstone, too, but that's not their style for whatever reason. The Church has not, nor will it ever endorse all the LGBT nonsense. I also wish they'd speak in stronger terms sometimes, but those men are still prophets and apostles and this Church, which was expressly set up for these times, is still true.
For what it's worth: never let your politics get in the way of your covenants. It's rampant nowadays. People on the left (especially) and right turn against leaders because something the leaders say offends their political views. Don't let that happen.
You don't have to agree with everything. That would be strange. but don't lose your support for them. There is no greater organization in the world.
@@CwicShow The comment I made in this thread was deleted. Did you delete it?
@@2mad2sad4once Frankly, that is kind of an empty reason for turning on the brethren. What's the real issue?
Great discussion! You and your guests point out insights i would have never noticed.
Thank you both for this insightful podcast. It helped me realized of things as they really are. The scriptures are really the standard to help us be connected to the iron rod in these times as always. Thank you!
So excellent! I feel like your content is always spot on and correct! Thanks again for the uplifting info!
Towards the end you mentioned the importance of our own personal scripture study and taking time to "Read the Scriptures" ask, seek, knock . Rather than the a quick cotton candy nourishment fix of being entertained by watching a video. Thank you for the reminder, it easy to get caught up in the entertainment and think it the same as reading, certainly it its not.
I am grateful for those who take the time to do videos, I myself have always had consentration issues when it comes to reading. Firsthand is best,but listening to good people has greatly enhanced my knowledge and testimony, which also takes a discerning eye and help from the spirit/holy ghost. Thank you, Greg and Bruce. What an awesome combination.
In my Patriarchal blessing I was given the gift of discernment. I am so very grateful. Yet, I have to "Hear Him" to be in tune to know.
In April 2018 we were given a commandant and road map for navigating and surviving (spiritually) the days 4 years into. When the time of tribulation began in 2020 many members demanded those in Salt Lake tell them what to do and think. There were three responses telling them to think and pray for themselves. The demands intensified. A photo was was published and many took that as their answer. A letter went out without the revealed seal we were instructed would be required on all official communications. People declared it a commandant, then used it to condemn and oppress fellow worshippers.
We were given a warning at the end of this last conference with a time constraint of 6 months. That warning is built on the foundation of the commandant given in April 2018. Without obedience to that 2018 directive there is no understanding the current instructions.
I am not convinced that the times of tribulation have begun yet, but, that is just my opinion.
@lukeslc-xd8ds When Noah built the Ark people laughed and said things weren't that bad. Well, things are worse now. If you doubt it, I recommend you get a job at a public middle school.
@@tjkasglcould you please clarify which commandant in 2018 you refer to? I’m honestly interested in looking it up and reading the talk. Also, if you are able, could you send a reference to the times they mentioned “pray for yourselves” about the Covid stuff? I swear I remember them saying that too but I can’t find any written articles about it now?
Thanks!
You're welcome. And thank you!
Great discussion… very powerful doctrine and insights. Thank you!
Even the very elect will be deceived in the last day. Even they will not be able to discern without the Holy Ghost, because of sin we can not receive the witness or the truth needed from the Holy Ghost.
Great podcast! Thhank you
Great conversation. Would love to hear you talk about the topic Jonah Barnes talked about recently about the life cycle of religions and where we are at in the church.
Love Jonah Barnes, I also bought his book and he's a hoot! Even discussing the scriptures he can make you laugh😂😂😂. Also David Butler and Mike Day are ones to help you understand the scriptures.
Clear thinking! One of the problems in my opinion with getting ppl to read scriptures is this, you can’t ignore the fact that for years we’ve had a decline in school systems and also we can’t ignore the issue of increasing ADD and ADHD issues with children which I think is brought on by really bad food and chemicals so it is quite a feet to keep their attentionIt’s a struggle. They may be wanting to read it, but get discouraged when there’s that barrier of understanding because of their inability to read which comes with learning disabilities and I think there’s a lot of that. That being said, God knows this so the faith and desire needs to be great!
I want to add to your thoughts, we suffer from scriptural illiteracy, and too many people push the platitude of "read your scripture".....the thing is scripture study is a personal thing, we need open discussions on what works, what does this look like......
I really enjoyed the idea that the Church responsibility is to ensure a constant supply of Milk. Those who want meat, can seek it by themselves.
Great episode, Greg. Really enjoyed this one. One of the greatest discoveries of the Book of Mormon that I came across many ,many years ago, talks about this very subject of discernment. The key to understanding and applying the gift of discernment is found in Moroni 7:12-19. Particularly verses 15-17. [ 15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night. 16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God. 17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.] It is so crystal clear of how to judge between good and evil in these verses. It even states we can have a PERFECT KNOWLEDGE of choosing between good and evil. Not many, if any, does the scriptures teach of perfection that I know of. I study these verses often to stay fresh and REMINDED of judging between good and evil.
Many important and timely reminders for us in this video. Wonderful discussion, thank you!
The gift of discernment is condemned as a negative thing today (“don’t judge!”)
Discerning IS judging.
I don't think of it as judging. I think of it as making the correct choice as it is shown to me.
@ but to make the correct choice you must make a judgement.
It is Called Righteous Judgement
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One of the things I've become aware of, is in actuality they are teaching that lust is love and love is lust. We are pressured to accept and love their definition although in the end it is destructive to spiritual progress, damages the soul and bears no good fruit.
Thank you for sharing your discussion with Bruce Porter. It was very thought provoking and interesting. Knowing these mists of darkness are present in our day and the truth we have and that can be read and found in God’s word, I find myself asking how best can I bridge the gap with those I’ve been commanded to love (all people of course, including those in my own faith who believe differently) without infringing upon their agency or beliefs, or imposing/forcing my beliefs upon them potentially alienating them or groups of people which could widen that gap between them and truth? And doing so with integrity to truth and my personal discipleship and covenant relationship with Jesus Christ. A challenge of a lifetime no doubt! Elder Oaks gave a great talk in the Oct 2014 Conference titled, Loving Others and Living with Differences, that contains a lot of great counsel with scriptural references that I have found personally helpful in this wrestle. I would invite anyone else who may be wrestling with what our individual and collective approach as fellow Christians in this regard should be especially given our current tempered political and social climates.
Also, President Oaks conference talk in 2021 about the constitution. It helped me with my choice on who to vote for.
@ His talks on political matters are great! I appreciate his expertise on the subject and how he breaks it downs and spells it out in relation to the Gospel.
We don't know exactly how much time transpired amid the fall of Adam and Eve. Someone from a ward of mine who was quite versed in the scriptures postulated that the fall of Adam and Eve may have happened over the course of 1,000 years. . . .
There does, however, appear to be a few common threads amid those who understand the plan of God and who engage in the steady dedication of a lifetime (name of a Dallin H. Oaks discourse) - dedication of a lifetime.
As always very insightful content here. Absolute appreciate these discussions.
I think my answer to the question about how to get people to read the scriptures is to help people to be curious. I came alive with books to help understand the scriptures, come follow me, and conference talks. Now I am hungry and I love the scriptures like never before. It has been a process. The milk and then the steak. I feel such joy that I can finally study the scriptures and they have come alive for me. They are living scriptures. I want more. I do believe more. I came to find understanding and to line up with the Savior. In these troubled times, i found a source. I see how the scriptures make sense of my life. I see why the Lord wanted us to have what we have. Thank you for such a great discussion. I have had it on my mind a lot of what I will present to the Lord when it is my turn to report. ❤
how to get people to READ the scriptures..........they must KNOW HOW TO READ ANYTHING FIRST.!!!!!!! tell someone that can't read to 8th grade level to " read the scriptures " and it will go right over their head . whether it's king james or new modern bible or BofM , they will NOT be able to do it , and they will STRUGGLE so much that they will quit. most young people now DON'T READ . they WATCH and listen to stuff . they do NOT READ BOOKS. especially those kids who have ADD/ADHD , which is a LARGE segment of the youth population.
This was a fun topic to listen to. I know how difficult it must have been to speak about. I am so grateful you and Bruce are willing to discuss this. I really like how Bruce said he can speak to what the scriptures say but not what someone thinks and feels is the truth. I am amazed how people forget that the gospel is found in the scriptures. It is true that we can receive revelation from our Heavenly Father when we are willing to do his will. It was great hearing you guys talk about understanding "Gods" divination/revelation VS. our own wants and desires. It is important to love our fellow brothers and sisters, but it is also our responsibility to call them to repentance when they rebel from God in the name of love and tolerance. Father and Christ did not say their Gospel would be easy; we have to choose to do what is right when hard things are placed before us. Like the scriptures say man cannot serve two masters. We should choose God and his son, thank you for agency. Awesome job as always Greg and thank you for having Bruce on again, he is always great to hear from.
27:00 wow, the next 5ish minutes was an eye opener for me! I have much knowledge but what good does it do me if i dont discern and live worthily?! Thank you for this!!
If you don't have discernment, do you really have agency? Good choices are made with good information. If we aren't willing to see the task truth of things, whether it's pleasant to us or not, we imprison ourselves. The agency we were given, we trade away for..."...a bowl of pottage..."
Good question. I suppose we have the agency to increase our discernment. But the "tradition of our fathers" plays a part in our agency.
There's a video that shows Elder Bednar saying we are in the days where we need to follow the spirit in everything
Thank you both. Eye opening
Excellent episode. Scripture power!
Couldn’t agree more with the assessment.
Ohh thank you so much for this!!! So powerful and an answer to prayer!!!
Glad to hear!
Key is read, study, ponder, pray. It’s upon us to do the work by searching it out and then seeking the lord for confirmation. Lord wants us to put forth some effort.
I liked your story about your friend in Mexico and his knowledge, light, and discernment.
"Accusatory Fog" , Revelation 12 :10
-_David Alexander_
How can the stronger of us be deceived? It’s hard for me to imagine. Will there be some extremely sneaky things to catch us, maybe 99% truth and 1% lie?
All the things that are making people fall today are obvious to most faithful members of the church.
Agreed, this is also my question. Right now, everything feel pretty obvious. So I’m wondering how tricky this is going to get.
The wheat are being told they are chaff by the chaff and the chaff think they are the wheat. That seems pretty obvious to most of the church currently. But they seem to be trying to warn us of more stuff coming.
“Most faithful”? interesting comment. In my years on this planet, I remember making that statement after my mission and interestingly it wasn’t a year later life’s trials were making a mockery of my spiritual pride. I’d be careful before patting oneself on the back. Living our faith, especially in Utah, is relatively easy. We don’t have the same physical hardships our pioneer ancestors dealt with and our relatively easy lives could be upended in minutes with an act of God or simply pride, which no one is immune. There could be many ways the Saints could be challenged and these gifts of the spirit will be necessary.
@ so you don’t call those striving to endure to the end faithful? What do you call them then? The trials of the pioneers are different from the trials of today. They were more physical with the lack of technology. Life today is not “easy”, more comfortable with technology, yes, but more difficult spiritually. Our leaders have said multiple times that the most valiant spirits were sent to earth these days when the devil is working his hardest when he knows his time is short.
I didn’t grow up in UT or the US, I’m from a different country where I was the only member in my family (for a few years), and the only member in my school, the only member in my work, etc.
So thought provoking and excellent! Really makes me want to do better with my scripture study.
Glad you enjoyed it
I fully agree that one the biggest issues today comes down to the idea you mentioned, "do I THINK I am " listneing to and acting on the truth. There are so many sources of confusion present in the world right now that especially the inexperienced person has great difficulty determining what is the FULL truth. I say inexperienced deliberatley in the sense that we heve to "try," meaning to practice, the principle so that we gain understanding of how to use it. Even Christ learned through the things that he suffered, i.e. experienced. When we are familiar enough with how to practice a principle we then begin to understand the "why" of its purpose and value and power. This is also the case with the gift of discernment. But how do we know that our "practice sessionn" with it produces in a true or accurate result? That is where scripture examples "bear witness" to our mind AND the Holy Ghost bears witness to our spirit (heart). I experienced this many times while serving as a bishop in Wyoming and later as a counselori in a stake presidency in Alamosa Colorado. I heard myself say many, many times when giving a blessing in different situations that the person would find the "confirmation" they were seeking by reading from the Doctrine and Covenants. Why the D&C? Because it ismthe only book of scripture that is actually first person scripture. Meaning these verses ARE the voice of the Lord, Him giving his direct answers, and not someone telling what they heard him say like all the others scriptures do. Then the person receiving the blessing would come back to me sometime later and tell me how that blessing had been fulfilled. Too many people today, especially the rising adult generation have been fed a diet of a quick response and rather put and idea to the test of the scriptures, they instead follow the fad!
Very well spoken brothers! Thank you!
That Lord said he would clean house and he was going g to start with his house first.😢
President Dallin H. Oaks described this when he said: “We are commanded to love everyone, since Jesus’s parable of the good Samaritan teaches that everyone is our neighbor. But our zeal to keep this second commandment must not cause us to forget the first, to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind.”
I loved the MMM. I have always delighted, savored, and had fun with the meet and the mysteries, but the constant supply of milk is my beacon.
Why are you deleting all of my YT Post?
Scared they will learn the name of Messiah?
The democratization you speak of is what allows us to exercise our moral agency and consciously choose where we will spend our eternities. In my view, that’s what makes that democratization a necessity.
I think president Nelson’s advice is very relevant to this. At the end of conference he said to use the conference talks as a litmus test for the next 6 months to know what is true. Very interesting that he commented that, instead of saying “use the scriptures” or “the spirit”, which are of course always good answers, but could he be seeing something specific that the talks will address?
Hey look at this scripture that relates to this discussion really well!
D&C 46:7
But ye are commanded in all things to ask of God, who giveth liberally; and that which the Spirit testifies unto you even so I would that ye should do in all holiness of heart, walking uprightly before me, considering the end of your salvation, doing all things with prayer and thanksgiving, that ye may not be seduced by evil spirits, or doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men; for some are of men, and others of devils.
We should emphasize that we can ask for more spiritual gifts and if the gift of discernment isn’t a gift you have, you can ask for it if you use it for good. Credal Christian’s believe they all hold the priesthood and they alone discern scripture so for us to have all worthy makes hold the priesthood seems much safer than everyone deciding for himself.
The darkness is like a fog you can go slow and go just so far before you are lost. If you have a teather youll never get lost. The teather is the Iron Rod.
I feel blessed with discernment. It’s a temple promise. You must do your part, too. If king Solomon can receive it, why can’t I ask too.
No new morality. Truth is eternal
At 47:50 you ask the question how do you get away from the scriptures? In pondering this myself I have noticed this notion termed, “being baptized with fire and the Holy Ghost.” The various anti-Christs all seem to have a common experience that they were deceived by an angel of light or messenger. They felt they had gone to the temple but broke order with Fathers house of order and came into His presence without the enduring to the end and receiving the coronation ordinances which afford a worthy couple to have confirmed upon them the keys for such an experience.
The result is a posture that the authorized leadership is fallen. They have had this experience and they always announce publicly that which under proper circumstances they would covenant not to disclose. They have a baptism of fire and then can not endure the experience and trod down the path of say Korihor. These patterns and the Temple ordinances our given for a reason and it appears Father has His reasons and order of things when it comes to arriving back into His presence. Just an observation
Great show
Everyone needs to get their hierarchy of values in order.
I believe this to be very simple. Isaiah addressed this topic with king Ahaz when he said in essence - You do not understand (you are deceived) because you are not loyal.
We do not need worry about anyone beyond ourselves. Our prime concern ought to be our proclivity to be deceived. We can know for ourselves if we are loyal to G-d. Isaiah also clearly pointed out how we become separated from G-d. He said we are separated from G-d by “Transgressing the Law, Changing the Ordinances and Breaking the Covenants.”
GREAT EPISODE
Thanks!
I know members who support the culture based on the scriptures they read. In the end, it will all be properly sorted. Christ sheep are numbered, those who care will find him, and they will find him through the scriptures with the aid of the holy ghost.
Thank you for saying the truth
Do a short about your friend from Mexico and his loss of knowledge from unworthiness. Great information!!
I don't believe it is scriptural that Eve believed she would not die if she ate the fruit. She did not know who Satan was. She was deceived about his identity. But she SAW that there was no other way to keep all of God's commandments without partaking the fruit.
Good conversation. one thing I can't understand is how can you promote pastor jeff who opposes the church and then so nonchalantly speak about discernment. Contradictory If you ask me.
29:30 11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell.
You lose “knowledge” and wisdom until…