That’s precisely what I was thinking - chronicling, then erasing after 14 days or so. I wish it also had horizon leveling. This would instantly make it usable for capturing family outings and sharing later.
@@SubTroppo Precisely. As if the cut-off field of view wasn't bad enough they want to make us all throw up with that hideous nonsense! New carpet, please.
They took the oversaturated video from the EP7 and put all that saturation into the EP8's audio. One thing I think would be a solid addition would be a 3.5mm mic jack. Being able to plug in a lav mic for good solo audio, or even a shotgun mic for on-the-street interviews could make this a bit more of a killer device to the amateur reporter/interviewer/video maker. I'd have liked to see how well the camera performs as a webcam. Including that as a feature is always a plus, just like including the dashcam mode and such. Having one device that fills all those roles just simplifies things, like how smart phones serve 20 different purposes all at the same time. As for that scam message, they always intentionally make them obvious to any savvy user. If one isn't savvy enough to notice it's a scam from the start, they'll never realise half way through that they're being scammed, whereas a more competent looking scam would drag in more people but they'd often realise what's happening before getting ripped off.
Presumably "vertical video" mode is also of use if you mount the camera using the 'tripod thread' with it orientated on the bottom rather than the side as it is when head mounted - then 'vertical video' will produce proper healthy 'horizontal video' because the camera has been rotated by 90 degrees 🙂
Not really no, vertical video in that context usually means the image gets cropped on each side, if you're worried about the video being rotated 90 degrees just correct it in your video editing software.
Wait? What? So I'm *NOT* going to get that $14,000,000 (Fourteen Million $ USD Dollars) that the reverend doctor barrister said I'd won for using the Google? If it wasn't for the consignment of gold bars I'm helping a US Marine smuggle out of Iraq I'd be disappointed.
@@microbuilder Scams can be very lucrative and the people who fall for them are not the stereotypical dumb, easily led individual. One of the biggest scam baiting channels on TH-cam lost their channel to a scammer temporarily, so even the pros can fall victim to a scam. Might be worth Techmoan looking into ThioJoe's anti-scam comment tool after he got frustrated at TH-cam's inaction against scammers on the site.
I reckon it all just started because people don’t know or can’t be bothered to flip their phone horizontally. Drives me a bit insane when I see people watching horizontal videos with their phone in portrait 😅
I remember a time when almost every sports camera that wasn't a GoPro recorded horrible image and sound. I'm glad they are slowly getting better and better and the prices more accessible.
slowly? I think I had cameras filming on Go-Pro level already in 2010 or so. a Go-Pro is just overprized crap in my opinion, you only pay for the name/brand, Red Dot
@@HangoverTelevision I agree with you on the GoPros. But I guess it depends on where you live in. Down here in Argentina we either had GoPro or the worst chinese crap or knockoffs. Now there's more variety but it's still not that easy to find other decent ones for a somewhat reasonable price as the one presented by Techmoan.
@@HangoverTelevision GoPro always had one advantage and it still maintains it up to this day - superior stabilisation. Nothing more annoying than an action camera that records gelato as soon as you start moving. From competition that I can think of only InstaOne provided comparable quality but it wasn't any cheaper. Ordo EP7 was utter crap IMHO and it produced completely unworkable footage without A LOT of post processing and cropping. It seems like EP8 is where Ordo finally meets standards that I would describe as "acceptable minimum" worth spending money on.
Glad to see you've addressed the scamming attempts- I've seen those on a few different channels already. Weird that the old "congratulations, you've won something" trick is cropping up again, (on the other hand, where I live we're currently having a "renaissance" of personal information extortion via fake phone calls)- either way, it's great to see content creators warning people not to fall for those!
Also, good tip for anyone who sees a scam comment: Use the triple-dot button on the far side of the comment to REPORT it. (On desktop the triple-dot is hidden until you hover the mouse over the comment.) Reporting such comments helps take some of the burden off of us making videos for TH-cam since we're not moderating comments 24/7 and can't always take them down quickly!
@@theodorebrown4877 thanks for the info, very interesting. I don't do any video editing so I can't comment, but the colours of the older model look better to my eyes and the sound is better too but I prefer wider field of vision on the newer model.
@@skyhill4279 Most consumers prefer oversaturated pictures and images, which is why smartphone cameras tend toward high saturation and contrast by default. This makes everything pop a little more. This makes for a pretty picture that most consumers are going to prefer, but it doesn't actually reflect reality. As Matt has said in a few other comments, the dirt path in the field was gray in real life, but the EP7 made it look brown. This happens because the camera's processor overcompensates. If you are just looking for a simple point-and-shoot device, there's nothing wrong with that kind of processing, but it means you are very limited in what you can do to adjust the look in post. It seems like the EP8 could have had the best of both worlds by having a few processing settings at least something like "standard," "flat," and "vivid." I agree that the sound is much more usable on the EP7.
Enjoyable video. I Liked the last bit about the TH-cam comments. I've seen this topic covered by other big channels but never stated as effectively as you have put it.
I have a related question, how did you overcome 'camera anxiety'? Everytime I'm out in public with a camera that's not a phone I always feel like everyone is looking at me like I grew an extra head. Does it ever get better or do you just learn to ignore it?
I'm the invisible man - I get forgotten or ignored in every restaurant I go in. I could walk in and steal the Crown Jewels and the security video would probably show nothing. Automatic doors don't open for me. Automatic hand dryers and soap dispensers don't care about my presence. I may be a ghost as far as I know. So I'm fine with looking like an idiot because no one looks.
Whilst I still largely agree, the fact is that most people do watch media like this on their phones rather than on a TV or cinema screen, so it's becoming less and less ridiculous. Most TH-cam Short and TikTok videos are shot vertically for this reason.
the reason is because its easier to hold the phone that way, its the phone manufacturers fault, remember flip cameras they solved that problem but phone manufacturers didn't.
@@rob14 yes they could just put the sensor in the vertical orientation. A lot of people even in their 20s will never have owned or used a traditional camera so the whole idea of holding your phone 'like a camera' is alien.
@@rob14 That's a terrible excuse. It isn't hard to flip the phone around. People are just not very bright. I don't think I've ever shot a video vertical cause I know it will look stupid. But yeah they should have a setting for people who think it's difficult turning their phone in the other direction.
Wow, I don’t understand how some people are saying the 8 is “washed out”… it’s less-saturated than the 7, but that’s because the 7 turns all the greens into the same shade! It blows out the pastel sky blue of your shirt into an almost cyan shade! The 8 isn’t washed out, it’s just realistic! The light and shadows are right, the hues of the greenery are right, the skin tones and clothes are right. Maybe in an edit, a 5-10% saturation and/or warmth boost would make it a bit more visually appealing, just like a bit of an EQ on audio, but the balance of realism is almost spot-on as it comes.
The video quality on cameras is getting amazing. I think the best use for this isn't really anything to share with people but as a dashcam. I might get this for my bicycle commute. The image stabilization isn't quite there yet, maybe the next one.
I feel like the GoPro style headmounts are maybe a bit clumsy, but have clear advantages over this earpiece approach - particularly for us glasses wearers
"... there has to be a bit of personal responsibility to avoid getting scammed here." How dare you, sir! I'm an American! P.S. Love your camera reviews. Keep 'em coming.
I agree. As an American, I was TRIGGERED that I was told I had to have personal responsibility for my actions. As an American, nothing I do with my free will is ever my fault.
You mention plugging into a power bank, I do this so I can record my full shift at work. One thing I will say is, even though my EP7 is pretty light it does take a good few weeks for the top of your ears to get used to the weight and how the headband sits on 2 very small parts of your ears. It can be pretty painful, ok it can be really bloody painful until the skin toughens up a little, but that is over the course of a 7 hour shift wearing the camera non stop. So if the EP8 is slightly heavier be aware there will be added discomfort over extended periods of wear. I've only had the EP7 for about 7 weeks, but so far it's saved me 3 huge fraudulent insurance claims and my boss around £2000 in "order not received" claims. It really is a sad state of affairs when I feel I have to wear a body cam of any form just to deliver fish n chips, but that's how the world is these days.
@@BLUE_OCTOBER-TRIX I'm not a button up shirt type of guy. I did look at the body mounted style, but they either need a harness or a hard mount, not practical when they'd constantly get snagged on the seatbelt. My ears have become used to the cam now, and occasionally I'll still feel I'm wearing it even though it's sitting on the table in front of me. .
I subscribed to this channel because the passion is not neglected. The effort and the technical details are remarkable and exemplary. Nice greetings from Germany.
The video quality, stabilization and microphone are "good". I wouldn't say great or amazing. I think $300 is a bit high for what you get. But if you really need a head mounted cam, it's probably worth considering this one.
@@TheGinGear plenty of gopros for sale anywhere? sjcams and usual brands too, insta360's.. amazon has lots of wearable cameras available, so whats under shortage? locally where I live there's no shortage whatsoever either, if anything more stuff than a year ago in price from five bucks to six hundred bucks. the price is partially to bring a premium feel to buying it. with that wide of a price range and so much stuff on the market it's hard to convince the consumer that your companys device is the right one at the right money.
@@lasskinn474 the reason I picked the EP7 over any other camera on the market is it's quick and simple to wear or remove. Everything else needed a base plate and harness or some form of hard mount. I wanted/needed something that could be worn with just a T shirt mid summer as well as multi layers mid winter so a harness was out of the question. And although I'm pretty hard headed at times I didn't really fancy having a hard mount screwed or epoxied to the side of my skull. Horses for courses and for my needs it fits the bill 100%. Now I've seen the EP8 review it'll be my goto cam if and when I need to upgrade the EP7.
This looks very useful if you want a 'dash cam' on the go as you mentioned in the video, I wish there would be more competition with products like these.
It would be interesting if they were able to add some kind of gyroscopic stabilization to the lens, not only to keep it more steady when moving, but to always keep the image upright, even if your head is titled. I get that would make the price even higher, but that would be an awesome feature :D
you can't gyro stabilize pitch or roll in a lens you have to do that on the sensor which is something that basically only high end moving sensor mirrorlesses do like the sony a7 series
Nice to see you getting out and about. I sometimes get the impression that you live in your man cave and are only allowed out on special occasions. Loving the ep7 a bit more than the ep8. The colours are bit nicer on the older model. Great video. Thanks Matt. Can't wait to see what my prize is (joke)!!!
Noticed that the EP8 Colour profile looks a lot flatter, which is a good thing for those who edit, but not so for casual shooters. Would be interested to know if there's any presets for Colour, Natural, Vivid ect.
The EP7 colours were way too saturated - the grey path I was walking down showed up as brown on the EP7. I could turn up the saturation on the EP8 in editing and it’d look better than if I tried to fix the EP7 by turning it down because the colours on that one were just off rather than subdued. Of course I didn’t do either so you get a truer reflection of what comes out of the camera.
I noticed that too. The walking path looked gray on the EP8 but brown on the EP7. But, as Techmoan replied, the path is closer to a grey color. The automatic white balance also seems to make a difference. When he's looking at the path, the vegetation on either side looks washed out. But when he turned his head to look at the field, the green looked more green.
The main issue seemed to be the sun/sky blowing out the picture on the EP8, maybe could do with a polarising filter and or lens hood but options are going to be limited with such a small camera
@@xr6lad "vibrant"? "rich"? Here, on my calibrated monitor it looked like someone had painted with primary colours only. I can't imagine how horrible this must look on a monitor at factory settings...
I wonder if the "vertical video" feature would be more useful if you wanted to have the camera on a standard tripod mount or use it as a webcam. Since otherwise you'd have to mount it at a 90° angle like on your head.
I have the EP-6 and EP-7. I use them to shoot bike rides and for making my RC aircraft videos for youtube. My 2 beefs with these cameras is: 1. the lack of sharpness and detail in 1080p and above videos. My $300 phone cameras actually shoot sharper video. The second is that the unit will not hold a full charge overnight. I typically have to charge it for 2-4 hours before any use, which is inconvenient. They need a removable battery so it doesn't drain away so much power 24/7 just sitting there. Or maybe a mechanical switch to isolate the pack for the electronics until needed. And for the record I have had batteries fail in both. I just recently cracked open my 1.5 year old EP-7 to fit a new 1000mAh Li-Ion pack after it stopped taking a charge, and a few years ago the pack in what was a 9 month old EP-6 swelled up and split the case apart itself. That one also got a new battery. Fortunately my RC hobby has made me familiar with Li-Pi and Li-Ion packs. I DO prefer the 90 degree field of view in the EP-7 though, since wide angle lenses make things look smaller, which would not help me one bit shooting small model aircraft. I use my EP-6 for mountain biking where the wider view is a benefit.
Thank you for showing that beautiful English countryside. I enjoyed and appreciated your review even more because of your choice of scenery. Also, it may be best for you to pin a comment in each of your videos warning of scams and that you do not have comment notified giveaways. Perhaps this may lower the number of potential suckers out there falling for these scams.
Think the gopro is still pretty king amongst the headmounts since they have a cap or head strap for you. Even though it's hard on the wallet, the quality is way more worth it in my opinion. I remember having a wedding I had to do and an old gopro hero 1 was capable of really smooth framerate and sound compared to my sony camera that I had bought for 400$. The 500$ price tag on the gopro was worth it at the time in my opinion. Right now the cheapest one is 300$ and with the head strap it's 10$ more.
very interesting! I have a GoPro Hero Session 5 for sometime and i'm considering to replace it to a newer one... i liked what i see on this review!~ Thansk for sharing it!
I just love the fact that Techmoan drives a Smart car! I currently have a first generation Smart cabrio and she’s a dream. Separate question though, have you had any problems with your Smart yet? My mom also has a 3rd generation Smart and I’d just like another smart owner’s perspective as well as there are so few of us.
Another tip for safety on the internet is this: _Never_ click the top listing when performing an internet search. Scammers pay to put their ads at the top and do their best to make them look legitimate. If you see the word "Ad" on the option, ignore it. (Google doesn't protect you from scam advertisements.)
I noticed that too. That's probably easier to edit after the fact if it bothers you, though having to do so is a bit of a hassle. But I think the audio issue doesn't have much scope for being fixed in editing.
Yeah, the video from the EP7 had a very HDR feel. The path, especially in the shadows, was such a nicer deep rich brown over the dull grey the EP8 presented.
Watched the whole video straight through till the "Price" chapter. It costs HOW much for a camera that looks THAT bad? That's when I realized TH-cam had decided to stream the video in 480p. Had a good laugh and re-watched at 4k.
The sound from the EP7 is way better...less saturated...so scary driving on the left side of road...we've got relatives in Britain...I won' drive there...ouch! (i'm from Canada)...love your videos - absolutely fascinating...Keep on!
I love Techmoan, he has the courage to go in public with the tech I wish I was using. Also, some people are selling their Verified tick marks now, so you have to make sure the Name is what you're expecting as well.
Some scammers will add the checkmark emoji to their name ✅, but even so, if it hasn't got the background shape (its official name is a _stadium,_ though some people may call it a _pill shape_ ), it's not the real person.
Excellent video, I got up early this morning, and was running through my favorite channels, once I started watching your video, I realized that I have been a fan of your videos for over a 10 years, and have enjoyed everyone. Thank you Eric
Is it possible to hang the camera on the other side of your head? In the car clip the A bar takes up a considerable amount of screen space, which could be a bit better if it were on the other side, filming more from the center. Not an issue in other countries, but it would be nice.
I was watching the video for about a minute and you ended up in a firefight with a tank, I then realized I clicked on a war video next to yours which also had a head cam. I was so confused 😂
I noticed the colors are a bit more saturated on the EP7, though that doesn't mean they're correct. The EP8 seems to have slightly better stabilization.
If you had more than one segment you'd have to be using something to stitch them together, and that would have a saturation adjustment if you wanted to change that.
If you don't need all day recording or you don't need your hands to be free, your phone generally does a much better job. I like the idea of it being a portable dash cam though, as like you, I hardwire mine into my cars. Still have the DrivePro 200 that you recommended many years ago 😁 all I've done is tape a filter to it.
Nice video as usual. I think you could put that bit about scammers as a separate video if that is a big problem and happens often on the channel , as not everyone who might fall for the scam will watch this video until the end 🙂
Thank you for doing this video. I have the Ordro EP7 and have been very happy with it except that it had some issues using different size and brands of memory cards none of which Ordro was aware of or responded to my emails about. I have been wondering if it was worth upgrading to the EP8 and i just don't see the value at this time since I wear glasses and the narrower angle of view is better with glasses. Oh I did find that a semi-hard-shell headphone case with a circle of foam carved for the inside made the perfect storage case for the device assembled, ready to go. Keep up the valuable content... I used a Sandisk Extreme Pro Micro SD 128 GB card formatted in the EP-7 and none of 6 of them will record video, just photos. A lower grade San Disk Extreme Plus Micro SD 128 GB card formatted with EP-7 did work fine. This issue has never been addressed with a firmware upgrade.
i love how you demonstrated the camera's field of view with a view of a field
“You ever heard the phrase field of view? This is the field.”
& here... someone is... & someone isn't "outstanding" in their field 😆🍝
@@JTA1961 a good Terry Wogan gag there!
That transition at 16:28 was mind blowing
Perfect for documenting repair at customer location. no more disputes.
That’s precisely what I was thinking - chronicling, then erasing after 14 days or so. I wish it also had horizon leveling. This would instantly make it usable for capturing family outings and sharing later.
Nice input
"You can record in vertical.. If you've lost your mind.."
Love Techmoan. Saying what we are all thinking.
Lol, I completely missed that the first time I watched through. He says it so casually. 14:04
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👄 how could you say something so cruel
You can re-broadcast in vertical with blurry side panels on national TV... if you've lost your mind.
@@SubTroppo Precisely. As if the cut-off field of view wasn't bad enough they want to make us all throw up with that hideous nonsense! New carpet, please.
@@SubTroppo or you can turn your TV sideways.
They took the oversaturated video from the EP7 and put all that saturation into the EP8's audio.
One thing I think would be a solid addition would be a 3.5mm mic jack. Being able to plug in a lav mic for good solo audio, or even a shotgun mic for on-the-street interviews could make this a bit more of a killer device to the amateur reporter/interviewer/video maker.
I'd have liked to see how well the camera performs as a webcam. Including that as a feature is always a plus, just like including the dashcam mode and such. Having one device that fills all those roles just simplifies things, like how smart phones serve 20 different purposes all at the same time.
As for that scam message, they always intentionally make them obvious to any savvy user. If one isn't savvy enough to notice it's a scam from the start, they'll never realise half way through that they're being scammed, whereas a more competent looking scam would drag in more people but they'd often realise what's happening before getting ripped off.
Heck even a dinky 2.5mm jack would be fine if they're tight on space, just include an adapter.
I have it, it only records every 5 minutes. but she doesn't know if she has more time to record
Presumably "vertical video" mode is also of use if you mount the camera using the 'tripod thread' with it orientated on the bottom rather than the side as it is when head mounted - then 'vertical video' will produce proper healthy 'horizontal video' because the camera has been rotated by 90 degrees 🙂
I was thinking about using the tripod mount to secure the "dash" cam to the mirror bracket on the windscreen while using the vertical video setting.
Techmoan, Can I presume that the stabilization will work as well in the vertical video mode?
Indeed, just like you'd might if attaching it to bicycle handlebars.
Not really no, vertical video in that context usually means the image gets cropped on each side, if you're worried about the video being rotated 90 degrees just correct it in your video editing software.
"One rule in life - nobody ever wins a competition that they haven't entered."
We definitely need more Techmoans on the Internet...
The only thing more amazing than people actually attempting these kinds of blatant scams, is that people actually fall for it lol
@@microbuilder They setup bot scripts to do the posting and all because "There's a sucker born every minute"
Wait?
What?
So I'm *NOT* going to get that $14,000,000 (Fourteen Million $ USD Dollars) that the reverend doctor barrister said I'd won for using the Google?
If it wasn't for the consignment of gold bars I'm helping a US Marine smuggle out of Iraq I'd be disappointed.
Pfft, shows what you know, my entire generation was taught that everyone is a winner and you always get a trophy for being last
@@microbuilder Scams can be very lucrative and the people who fall for them are not the stereotypical dumb, easily led individual. One of the biggest scam baiting channels on TH-cam lost their channel to a scammer temporarily, so even the pros can fall victim to a scam.
Might be worth Techmoan looking into ThioJoe's anti-scam comment tool after he got frustrated at TH-cam's inaction against scammers on the site.
This is takes me back to your earlier videos. I didn't realise how much I missed the weird tech films.
👍🏻 Discovered and subscribed to your channel about 8 years ago when I was searching for a dash cam! So a bit of a blast from the past! 👍🏻
I love all the digs you take on vertical video. I'm right there with ya, couldn't agree more.
I suppose it’s just personal preference…but I’ll take it to the grave… I’ll be buried horizontally too.
@@Techmoan will that be in 16:9 or 4:3 format ? 😀
I reckon it all just started because people don’t know or can’t be bothered to flip their phone horizontally. Drives me a bit insane when I see people watching horizontal videos with their phone in portrait 😅
I always feel like I've won a prize when Techmoan posts a video.
HRH The Queen.
Camera review! Just like the old days.
I love all the current content but I do miss the dash cam reviews. It’s what got me started looking for one for my car.
You can shoot vertical video if you’ve lost your mind 🤣 delivered so casually 🤣🤣
I loved that! 🤣 Like it was the text from the specifications.
Super helpful to me two years after you posted this. I've been researching camera glasses and I'm leaning towards the EP8 for my needs. Thank you!
I remember a time when almost every sports camera that wasn't a GoPro recorded horrible image and sound. I'm glad they are slowly getting better and better and the prices more accessible.
slowly? I think I had cameras filming on Go-Pro level already in 2010 or so. a Go-Pro is just overprized crap in my opinion, you only pay for the name/brand, Red Dot
@@HangoverTelevision I agree with you on the GoPros. But I guess it depends on where you live in. Down here in Argentina we either had GoPro or the worst chinese crap or knockoffs. Now there's more variety but it's still not that easy to find other decent ones for a somewhat reasonable price as the one presented by Techmoan.
@@HangoverTelevision GoPro always had one advantage and it still maintains it up to this day - superior stabilisation. Nothing more annoying than an action camera that records gelato as soon as you start moving. From competition that I can think of only InstaOne provided comparable quality but it wasn't any cheaper. Ordo EP7 was utter crap IMHO and it produced completely unworkable footage without A LOT of post processing and cropping. It seems like EP8 is where Ordo finally meets standards that I would describe as "acceptable minimum" worth spending money on.
@@HangoverTelevisioncan u help with couple cameras u know better and cheaper than go pro pls ?
@@Catsanime The Panasonic FT-series was quite well, but they are a bit bigger than Go-Pro. Another one I was happy with were the cams by SilverCrest.
This would be great on a vacation with sight seeing, rent-a-car, etc.
Thanks for showcasing this, excellent as always.
Glad to see you've addressed the scamming attempts- I've seen those on a few different channels already.
Weird that the old "congratulations, you've won something" trick is cropping up again, (on the other hand, where I live we're currently having a "renaissance" of personal information extortion via fake phone calls)- either way, it's great to see content creators warning people not to fall for those!
Nice to see you doing camera reviews again makes the world seem more normal
Also, good tip for anyone who sees a scam comment: Use the triple-dot button on the far side of the comment to REPORT it. (On desktop the triple-dot is hidden until you hover the mouse over the comment.) Reporting such comments helps take some of the burden off of us making videos for TH-cam since we're not moderating comments 24/7 and can't always take them down quickly!
The colour on EP7 looks much warmer to me. Great video.
Agree. I’d say they look richer and more vibrant. The EP8 looked washed out a bit.
@@xr6lad definitely.
@@skyhill4279 Because the EP7 is oversaturated. The EP8 is recording in a flat profile which is much better for editing.
@@theodorebrown4877 thanks for the info, very interesting. I don't do any video editing so I can't comment, but the colours of the older model look better to my eyes and the sound is better too but I prefer wider field of vision on the newer model.
@@skyhill4279 Most consumers prefer oversaturated pictures and images, which is why smartphone cameras tend toward high saturation and contrast by default. This makes everything pop a little more.
This makes for a pretty picture that most consumers are going to prefer, but it doesn't actually reflect reality. As Matt has said in a few other comments, the dirt path in the field was gray in real life, but the EP7 made it look brown. This happens because the camera's processor overcompensates.
If you are just looking for a simple point-and-shoot device, there's nothing wrong with that kind of processing, but it means you are very limited in what you can do to adjust the look in post.
It seems like the EP8 could have had the best of both worlds by having a few processing settings at least something like "standard," "flat," and "vivid."
I agree that the sound is much more usable on the EP7.
Enjoyable video. I Liked the last bit about the TH-cam comments. I've seen this topic covered by other big channels but never stated as effectively as you have put it.
I have a related question, how did you overcome 'camera anxiety'? Everytime I'm out in public with a camera that's not a phone I always feel like everyone is looking at me like I grew an extra head. Does it ever get better or do you just learn to ignore it?
I'm the invisible man - I get forgotten or ignored in every restaurant I go in. I could walk in and steal the Crown Jewels and the security video would probably show nothing. Automatic doors don't open for me. Automatic hand dryers and soap dispensers don't care about my presence. I may be a ghost as far as I know. So I'm fine with looking like an idiot because no one looks.
@@Techmoan Thanks, that is helpful
@@Techmoan if automatic doors don't open for you that means you don't have a soul I'm sorry to inform you.
@@JaredConnell I would say he doesn't have a body.
@@Techmoan Sounds like you should be called Mr. Cellophane
100% agree. It's absolutely amazing to me how many people shoot video the wrong way with their phones or cameras in a vertical view. 🤦♂️
Whilst I still largely agree, the fact is that most people do watch media like this on their phones rather than on a TV or cinema screen, so it's becoming less and less ridiculous. Most TH-cam Short and TikTok videos are shot vertically for this reason.
the reason is because its easier to hold the phone that way, its the phone manufacturers fault, remember flip cameras they solved that problem but phone manufacturers didn't.
@@rob14 yes they could just put the sensor in the vertical orientation. A lot of people even in their 20s will never have owned or used a traditional camera so the whole idea of holding your phone 'like a camera' is alien.
@@rob14 That's a terrible excuse. It isn't hard to flip the phone around. People are just not very bright. I don't think I've ever shot a video vertical cause I know it will look stupid. But yeah they should have a setting for people who think it's difficult turning their phone in the other direction.
@@PotatoPirate123 Thank God I don't have tick tock. It looks stupid. I'm sorry. I can't watch videos shot that way.
Wow, I don’t understand how some people are saying the 8 is “washed out”… it’s less-saturated than the 7, but that’s because the 7 turns all the greens into the same shade! It blows out the pastel sky blue of your shirt into an almost cyan shade! The 8 isn’t washed out, it’s just realistic! The light and shadows are right, the hues of the greenery are right, the skin tones and clothes are right. Maybe in an edit, a 5-10% saturation and/or warmth boost would make it a bit more visually appealing, just like a bit of an EQ on audio, but the balance of realism is almost spot-on as it comes.
The most exhaustive, detailed demo I've ever seen!! Thanks so much!!!
The video quality on cameras is getting amazing. I think the best use for this isn't really anything to share with people but as a dashcam. I might get this for my bicycle commute. The image stabilization isn't quite there yet, maybe the next one.
"If you're brand new to the internet this week" 😂 PMSL
I feel like the GoPro style headmounts are maybe a bit clumsy, but have clear advantages over this earpiece approach - particularly for us glasses wearers
Better quality as well
after watching this video i feel like i need a head mounted cam in my life. has quite a few interesting use cases
Old skool. The reason I came across your videos then stayed for the rest :)
"... there has to be a bit of personal responsibility to avoid getting scammed here." How dare you, sir! I'm an American! P.S. Love your camera reviews. Keep 'em coming.
I agree. As an American, I was TRIGGERED that I was told I had to have personal responsibility for my actions. As an American, nothing I do with my free will is ever my fault.
@@Ciborium 😂😂😂brill.
Pure old skool Techmoan. Even put a ‘retro filter’ on the camera footage, to make it look like it’s from ten years ago 😁.
Yes, natural colors. No artificially blown up colors.
They both really have that old dashcam video quality to them...especially the EP7 with its blown out colors
What timestamp?
That brings back memories. Long time since I've been to Llandudno/Conwy!
As always, another unbiased thorough review. Never stop, dear sir.
Thanks Matt. This is exactly what I was looking for. Keep up the good work!
It's like a very low budget dystopian retinal implant
You mention plugging into a power bank, I do this so I can record my full shift at work. One thing I will say is, even though my EP7 is pretty light it does take a good few weeks for the top of your ears to get used to the weight and how the headband sits on 2 very small parts of your ears. It can be pretty painful, ok it can be really bloody painful until the skin toughens up a little, but that is over the course of a 7 hour shift wearing the camera non stop. So if the EP8 is slightly heavier be aware there will be added discomfort over extended periods of wear. I've only had the EP7 for about 7 weeks, but so far it's saved me 3 huge fraudulent insurance claims and my boss around £2000 in "order not received" claims. It really is a sad state of affairs when I feel I have to wear a body cam of any form just to deliver fish n chips, but that's how the world is these days.
You should get a body cam instead get one of the types the police use like the axion Then just get like a button up shirt and attach it to your shirt
@@BLUE_OCTOBER-TRIX I'm not a button up shirt type of guy. I did look at the body mounted style, but they either need a harness or a hard mount, not practical when they'd constantly get snagged on the seatbelt. My ears have become used to the cam now, and occasionally I'll still feel I'm wearing it even though it's sitting on the table in front of me. .
I'd recognise the Great Orme Tramway anywhere, what a pleasant surprise.
I subscribed to this channel because the passion is not neglected. The effort and the technical details are remarkable and exemplary. Nice greetings from Germany.
The video quality, stabilization and microphone are "good". I wouldn't say great or amazing.
I think $300 is a bit high for what you get.
But if you really need a head mounted cam, it's probably worth considering this one.
Large ketchup packets.
300 oughta be superb in 2022 even if you can't deal with a headband that goes around
There's actually a camera shortage going on right now, the price isn't that surprising
@@TheGinGear plenty of gopros for sale anywhere? sjcams and usual brands too, insta360's.. amazon has lots of wearable cameras available, so whats under shortage? locally where I live there's no shortage whatsoever either, if anything more stuff than a year ago in price from five bucks to six hundred bucks.
the price is partially to bring a premium feel to buying it. with that wide of a price range and so much stuff on the market it's hard to convince the consumer that your companys device is the right one at the right money.
@@lasskinn474 the reason I picked the EP7 over any other camera on the market is it's quick and simple to wear or remove. Everything else needed a base plate and harness or some form of hard mount. I wanted/needed something that could be worn with just a T shirt mid summer as well as multi layers mid winter so a harness was out of the question. And although I'm pretty hard headed at times I didn't really fancy having a hard mount screwed or epoxied to the side of my skull. Horses for courses and for my needs it fits the bill 100%. Now I've seen the EP8 review it'll be my goto cam if and when I need to upgrade the EP7.
I love how you take footage of England as I get a camera review and I get to see parts of England I don't see on normal television.
So grateful for this channel today. A necessary distraction. Thanks Mat
This looks very useful if you want a 'dash cam' on the go as you mentioned in the video, I wish there would be more competition with products like these.
Good to see you on my home turf (Conwy and Llandudno) Matt!
It would be interesting if they were able to add some kind of gyroscopic stabilization to the lens, not only to keep it more steady when moving, but to always keep the image upright, even if your head is titled. I get that would make the price even higher, but that would be an awesome feature :D
you can't gyro stabilize pitch or roll in a lens you have to do that on the sensor which is something that basically only high end moving sensor mirrorlesses do like the sony a7 series
Can't believe you were driving round about quarter of a mile from my home. I know exactly where a couple of those in-car clips were filmed!
I was stouned by the picture quality, then heart the price... No wonder. :) Great video, as always. Thanks!
"Bear in mind just one rule in life: Nobody ever wins competitions that they haven't entered." -Techmoan, 2022
surprisingly good video quality from that EP8! Quite surprised! Thank you! Great quality video as always!!!
8:26 ...and infinitely better that panning using 'vertical video' like SO many clueless people do ! :)
"It mentions that you can shoot vertical video if you've lost your mind." Totally WAS NOT expecting such a savage side comment haha.
Matt, whatever you claim, you are the queen in my eyes. 💂👸💂
Remote is useful for those of us that won't be using the earpiece. Thank you for this review!
Nice to see you getting out and about. I sometimes get the impression that you live in your man cave and are only allowed out on special occasions. Loving the ep7 a bit more than the ep8. The colours are bit nicer on the older model. Great video. Thanks Matt. Can't wait to see what my prize is (joke)!!!
Your second sentence was accurate.
@@Techmoan Did you get any Borg nanoprobes with the camera ?
@@Techmoan 😅
Great video...and that edit/swirly wipe at 16:31 is just sublime! Brilliant!! 🤩
When you get the urge to look like The Borg
He is already assimilated.
Be sure to add a laser pointer and a fog generator for full effect!
Oh, Llandudno tramway!! 😍 One of my favourite places in UK.
Noticed that the EP8 Colour profile looks a lot flatter, which is a good thing for those who edit, but not so for casual shooters. Would be interested to know if there's any presets for Colour, Natural, Vivid ect.
Just said the same. I’d say the EP7 had vibrant richer colours. The EP8 looked slightly washed out.
The EP7 colours were way too saturated - the grey path I was walking down showed up as brown on the EP7. I could turn up the saturation on the EP8 in editing and it’d look better than if I tried to fix the EP7 by turning it down because the colours on that one were just off rather than subdued. Of course I didn’t do either so you get a truer reflection of what comes out of the camera.
I noticed that too. The walking path looked gray on the EP8 but brown on the EP7. But, as Techmoan replied, the path is closer to a grey color. The automatic white balance also seems to make a difference. When he's looking at the path, the vegetation on either side looks washed out. But when he turned his head to look at the field, the green looked more green.
The main issue seemed to be the sun/sky blowing out the picture on the EP8, maybe could do with a polarising filter and or lens hood but options are going to be limited with such a small camera
@@xr6lad "vibrant"? "rich"? Here, on my calibrated monitor it looked like someone had painted with primary colours only. I can't imagine how horrible this must look on a monitor at factory settings...
a camera review with techmoan is like a blast from the past. No tour of Manchester this time though
I wonder if the "vertical video" feature would be more useful if you wanted to have the camera on a standard tripod mount or use it as a webcam. Since otherwise you'd have to mount it at a 90° angle like on your head.
Great cam, I love the feature where you need to take your glasses off. Now all my mates can see me walking into things in glorious 4K.
I have the EP-6 and EP-7. I use them to shoot bike rides and for making my RC aircraft videos for youtube. My 2 beefs with these cameras is: 1. the lack of sharpness and detail in 1080p and above videos. My $300 phone cameras actually shoot sharper video.
The second is that the unit will not hold a full charge overnight. I typically have to charge it for 2-4 hours before any use, which is inconvenient. They need a removable battery so it doesn't drain away so much power 24/7 just sitting there. Or maybe a mechanical switch to isolate the pack for the electronics until needed.
And for the record I have had batteries fail in both. I just recently cracked open my 1.5 year old EP-7 to fit a new 1000mAh Li-Ion pack after it stopped taking a charge, and a few years ago the pack in what was a 9 month old EP-6 swelled up and split the case apart itself. That one also got a new battery. Fortunately my RC hobby has made me familiar with Li-Pi and Li-Ion packs.
I DO prefer the 90 degree field of view in the EP-7 though, since wide angle lenses make things look smaller, which would not help me one bit shooting small model aircraft. I use my EP-6 for mountain biking where the wider view is a benefit.
Thank you for showing that beautiful English countryside. I enjoyed and appreciated your review even more because of your choice of scenery. Also, it may be best for you to pin a comment in each of your videos warning of scams and that you do not have comment notified giveaways. Perhaps this may lower the number of potential suckers out there falling for these scams.
Great view of Conwy Castle if I'm not mistaking :). Nice video again
Think the gopro is still pretty king amongst the headmounts since they have a cap or head strap for you. Even though it's hard on the wallet, the quality is way more worth it in my opinion. I remember having a wedding I had to do and an old gopro hero 1 was capable of really smooth framerate and sound compared to my sony camera that I had bought for 400$. The 500$ price tag on the gopro was worth it at the time in my opinion. Right now the cheapest one is 300$ and with the head strap it's 10$ more.
The voice on the camera cues reminds me of GLaDOS from the Portal series
very interesting!
I have a GoPro Hero Session 5 for sometime and i'm considering to replace it to a newer one... i liked what i see on this review!~
Thansk for sharing it!
I miss the dash cam style videos, this was nice!
It's sad that you have to add the scam warning at the end, but I appreciate that you did. Thanks Matt.
This is actually pretty decent! It's a bit pricey but it's very functional.
The link is showing it on Amazon at £339 now..
@@terencejay8845 wtf 😳 yeah nah that's too much.
Thank you for chapters
Thank you for 60FPS
Oooh, a camera to record me entering the competition - that I never entered! ;)
18:55 - "I am definitely not the queen" - well, yes, _yet,_ but I do have faith!
8:35 "If I ever do anything like that ring the ambulance to take me away"
The best response to record in 9x16 (vertical/portrait)!!!
I just love the fact that Techmoan drives a Smart car! I currently have a first generation Smart cabrio and she’s a dream. Separate question though, have you had any problems with your Smart yet? My mom also has a 3rd generation Smart and I’d just like another smart owner’s perspective as well as there are so few of us.
Ah Great this is why I came to Techmoan years ago for dash-Cam reviews
where's the night time footage like you usually do he he 😎🤣
Another tip for safety on the internet is this: _Never_ click the top listing when performing an internet search. Scammers pay to put their ads at the top and do their best to make them look legitimate. If you see the word "Ad" on the option, ignore it. (Google doesn't protect you from scam advertisements.)
Aside from the noticeably better audio, the EP7 also has a more saturated image (all the greenery looks way more lush and juicy). So that's nice.
I noticed that too. That's probably easier to edit after the fact if it bothers you, though having to do so is a bit of a hassle. But I think the audio issue doesn't have much scope for being fixed in editing.
Yeah, the video from the EP7 had a very HDR feel. The path, especially in the shadows, was such a nicer deep rich brown over the dull grey the EP8 presented.
That path is not brown though…it’s old dried dusty grey. The EP8 colours are way more accurate to what was there.
@@Techmoan well, reality is often disappointing
@@override7486 oh of course, i was just joking about the fact that reality was grey and dreary.
Watched the whole video straight through till the "Price" chapter. It costs HOW much for a camera that looks THAT bad? That's when I realized TH-cam had decided to stream the video in 480p. Had a good laugh and re-watched at 4k.
The sound from the EP7 is way better...less saturated...so scary driving on the left side of road...we've got relatives in Britain...I won' drive there...ouch! (i'm from Canada)...love your videos - absolutely fascinating...Keep on!
08/08/2024. The cost of the bundle on Amazon by Ordro is £299.99 and the maximum focal length is 1mtr which is a little on the low side for its price.
I love Techmoan, he has the courage to go in public with the tech I wish I was using. Also, some people are selling their Verified tick marks now, so you have to make sure the Name is what you're expecting as well.
@@andymerrett that's great to know! Thanks.
Some scammers will add the checkmark emoji to their name ✅, but even so, if it hasn't got the background shape (its official name is a _stadium,_ though some people may call it a _pill shape_ ), it's not the real person.
@@DaedalusYoung Thanks
You are not the Queen but you are British TH-cam Royalty 😍
Your intro and outros are amazing.. I don't know who composed this but I really like it.. Thank you
Excellent video, I got up early this morning, and was running through my favorite channels, once I started watching your video, I realized that I have been a fan of your videos for over a 10 years, and have enjoyed everyone.
Thank you Eric
15:27 - A frame-grab from the video would probably yield a better still image than the still mode would!
excellent review, very informative and well presented. thank you very much.
16:30 that transition
Is it possible to hang the camera on the other side of your head? In the car clip the A bar takes up a considerable amount of screen space, which could be a bit better if it were on the other side, filming more from the center. Not an issue in other countries, but it would be nice.
The more you love your decisions, the less you need others to love your decisions. ♡
LOL. TH-cam froze on my tv just as you said “now about battery life, not brilliant”. Sat and waited for a bit. Thought it was a joke. 🤣
I was watching the video for about a minute and you ended up in a firefight with a tank, I then realized I clicked on a war video next to yours which also had a head cam. I was so confused 😂
I noticed the colors are a bit more saturated on the EP7, though that doesn't mean they're correct.
The EP8 seems to have slightly better stabilization.
If you had more than one segment you'd have to be using something to stitch them together, and that would have a saturation adjustment if you wanted to change that.
Oh Mat, but you *are* the queen of all our hearts
Thanks good review with all the bullet points I needed. Appreciated.
Thanks , again from Sydney , watch all your videos.
If you don't need all day recording or you don't need your hands to be free, your phone generally does a much better job. I like the idea of it being a portable dash cam though, as like you, I hardwire mine into my cars. Still have the DrivePro 200 that you recommended many years ago 😁 all I've done is tape a filter to it.
Nice video as usual. I think you could put that bit about scammers as a separate video if that is a big problem and happens often on the channel , as not everyone who might fall for the scam will watch this video until the end 🙂
this should be massively useful for when i start biking to work! Dang!
Thank you for doing this video. I have the Ordro EP7 and have been very happy with it except that it had some issues using different size and brands of memory cards none of which Ordro was aware of or responded to my emails about. I have been wondering if it was worth upgrading to the EP8 and i just don't see the value at this time since I wear glasses and the narrower angle of view is better with glasses. Oh I did find that a semi-hard-shell headphone case with a circle of foam carved for the inside made the perfect storage case for the device assembled, ready to go. Keep up the valuable content...
I used a Sandisk Extreme Pro Micro SD 128 GB card formatted in the EP-7 and none of 6 of them will record video, just photos. A lower grade San Disk Extreme Plus Micro SD 128 GB card formatted with EP-7 did work fine. This issue has never been addressed with a firmware upgrade.