i mean honestly if people wanna keep putting money into exclusively single player AAA experiences without microtransactions i got nothin to complain about. good for them and good for all the people who are into it
@@Spitfire-zx7rj It know it might seem like it will. But it won't. This isn't the first time EA, of all companies, has NOT put MTX into a single player game. I just hope it keeps coming from Bioware.
Love the "post Baldurs Gate 3" comment, especially ironic since Bioware developed the first and second Baldurs Gate games, as well as Neverwinter Nights...
Dragon Origins was the best , the look, the feel, the grim choices you had to make…and giving you a look at both the hero’s side and the “villains” side. Give me back my Grey Warden, his family misses him. Edit:Chuckles was Varrics name for Solace in DAI
dont get why people hate this. i know it doesnt like like dragon age anymore. but the game can still be fun. i said so themselfes that they made it like final fantasy. and i like final fantasy so this is a 1 day game for me
@@gamer4ever838 The point is more: why even call it DA anymore. Do words and names mean nothing? Only halfway rhetorical -- corporate just wants money, it doesnt matter how many franchises and studios they hijack and derail.
@@gamer4ever838 Yeah i feel like this game has gotten a lot of fucking hate, which i get if people are cautios with the game and that reveal trailer was not the best first impression, but the absolute vitralic hate some people have for this game seems unfounded. Feel like some people just want to hate for hate sake instead of just going "That loosk neat, or not neat" and moving on. For my part i think this looks neat and will follow any devolpments made and judge whether or not i will buy the game when it launghes. Though i feel like this year seems like a pretty great year for Rpg fans with us getting Avowed, Kingdom Come 2 and Veilguard in around the same time
I definitely urge people to give Inquisition (and its Trespasser DLC) another shot. The combat is definitely dated, but once the game gets going, it REALLY takes off story-wise. Many of the characters are some of my favorites in the series.
My one question is I tried to beat it twice but I'm always left feeling, stupid. But I had no issues beating BG3. Any tips for navigating the areas and fighting the actual dragons better?
@@dropkickpherby6994 What do you mean? There’s definitely an order to which regions to explore because they become progressively harder. It’s smart to always have a mage in your party. If you are playing as a mage, you’ll want to use the barrier spell to protect your party members as much as possible. As far as dragons, they’re not meant to be attempted until you’ve gotten to atleast level 12. I always use my tanks & mages. Rogues don’t do well with dragons.
@@dropkickpherby6994 Actually use the resistance buffs for the dragon's specific damage you can get from equipment, runes and potions, micro manage your party. The attacks are usually signalled noticeably, which means, if you keep track of them and where your party members are, you can move them out of harm. Use your tanks' abilities to keep the dragon from going after the damage dealers. When I first started the game, I was very frustrated as well, never had any big problems killing the few dragons in DAO or DA2, and then I kept on dying against the first dragon I encountered in DAI, like others have written, don't start with them too early, not before level 12 at least and since the dragons are usually in line with the rest of the region's difficulty, it might make sense to go to the next region and gain a few extra levels and then go back to the dragon of the previous area, if they were too difficult at first try. And again, I don't know how you usually do it, but due to the status effects, it's really important to use gear and buffs that protect specifically against the dragon's damage type. I tend to just use the best armour and buffs available usually, and that honestly works fine for me in single player games, but in this case, even a weaker armour which has high frost resistance will serve you better against a dragon dealing frost damage. As for navigating the game in general, if you have problems recognizing which area to tackle next, there are guides to look up what the best order for the different areas is.
Inquisition was not open world, it was in fact open areas, which each on its own were kind of massive, thus giving this open world feel. Kind of like Andromeda sort of zoning, only not into each one being a slice of a planet, but rather a distinct part of bigger land, or a city and such :)
When I saw the cinematic trailer, I thought this was some spinoff. I was like, "is this Dreadwolf? Oh, no. It's not. Probably some phone game or something."
6:20 I was thinking "there was never any hard combat in DA:O" And I remembered encountering a perfectly normal cat. It even said so: "I am a cat, really." - Kitty And with that level of trustworthiness, I let her play with her human companion. Don't know what Lawrence was talking about.
@@TheBloodRedDane I played it on release, so I don't think I played that. Most of the harder fights in the launch game were skippable (Urn of sacred ashes was dependent on who you brought with, for example)
idk i disagree on the relationship thing. i actually quite enjoy the building of relationships in games as long as it feels natural. What i loved about BG3 (which admittedly, i didn't play on launch, i got it on ps5 when it came out then bought a pc later) I think the relationships were paced well. it took most of act 1 to get people like gale, lae'zel and shadowheart on board, but for the rest it was a bit of a slow burn for the romance and i like the variation of who is DTF right off the bat
They said the game will have different branching paths depending on the choices and the locations will change depending on the choiced lets wait and see
Lawrence hit it nail on. I hadn't seen the gameplay until now and everything I saw made it look like Mass Effect 3. Hopefully the decision will end up mattering, but we'll need to see. Hopefully it's not "Color Changes at the end!"
We also have to consider that this bioware is not the same from mass effect or the original dragon age, and coming from two strikes with anthem and andromeda they are depending on this to work.
@jmmywyf4lyf you are absolutely welcome to feel that way, but it was a financial success and won many game of the year awards when it released so it is far from a "strike out" and I understand why they are leaning more into those design choices even if I disagree with any of them
@@Reptoman68 Hmmm you've forgotten the absolute MESS Inquisition was when it dropped. I couldn't even get it to run until almost 18 months after it dropped because of the infinite horizon bug that plagued almost every AMD PC user. It boomed because it was extremely popular on consoles, not because it was a great PC game. Once it was playable on PC it was a pretty good game... but you can't ignore the fact that it was available to many more players due to console and the fact it was only really playable for many PC players a year or more post-launch kept the hype rolling until awards were run. The popularity can't be calculated in a vacuum. Raw numbers don't matter without taking into account the fact that more people play video games in Inquisition's era, it was available to more players because of the fact it went to console, and the launch popularity was artificially extended due to many players having to wait to play it.
@@noctoi Thats what Ive always said as well.. but ME3 was enjoyable overall, aside from the ending, the ridiculous multiplayer influence on campaign, and that citadel dlc. DA2 was when I began to dislike Bioware personally.. but the consensus seems to be more around its recent 3 releases.. ME3, and DA2 still had the bulk ofOG developers and writers, and EA held ALOT of the blame for the issues
I honestly don’t get the hate? Like this game looks fun, combat looks pretty dope. Like I played dragon age inquisition as my first dragon age, and I enjoy it, I didn’t beat it but I enjoyed it, I like simple gameplay
Dragon Age 5 will be a Wordle total conversion and you will hate it for not being like DA4, and then someone will say they never played DA4 and thus don't understand why you hate, and .. then everyone can agree that words and names don't matter, and then EA can finally stop pretending to not take players for idiotic money bags.
I think a big part of the hate comes from the reaction to that first trailer and that spilling over into the gameplay reaction and mushing with the much smaller crowd of people mad about it not being tactical like DAO and DAI. I feel like everything they've said since and the gameplay trailer(while not perfect) has righted the ship a lot but a lot of people have made up their minds. Especially when that stupid culture war nonsense has also crept into the reaction to it.
Some people think Inquisition was a return to form, but others thought it further separated the series from Origins - which is one of the most beloved RPGs ever made . I think it just comes down to the fact that you probably can't please Inquisition fans and Origins fans at the same time. They want different things, and most won't tolerate a compromise. It's sounding like Origins fans are becoming louder nowadays, and that only make Inquisition fans (or fans who never played origins) scratch their heads at best, or get mad, themselves, at worst. It makes sense to me, anyway.
The hate is pretty straight forward in my opinion. I don't HATE Inquisition(DA:I) or Veilguard(DA:V), but I have no enthusiasm for them nor do I plan on buying the game. I'll give my reasons below, sorry for a long write up. Dragon Age went from a thoughtful, more tactical combat CRPG(traditional RPG) where even seemingly small dialog decisions had real impact on parts of the game. You are an active participant with meaningful cause. and effect changes in DA:O and still somewhat in DA:2 as well. Outside of the largest decisions; DA:I didn't really have that, and almost certainly same for DA:V. DA:I feels like you're watching the story vs being in it. That's okay but it's fundamentally different. All that's said without mentioning the seismic shift in tone between DA:O/2 and DA:I/DA:V -- where art style and overall aesthetics changed completely. It's undergone a Marvelization with Joss Whedon, James Gunn & Michael Bay being overwhelming influences. That's undeniable with these recent trailers. It's neon colors, quippy dialog that's straddling the line trying to be humorous and serious at the same time. The world is literally falling apart around us but a little smile and joke makes sense, because Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy made a billion dollars. I understand why people like Inquisition and may be excited for DA:V. If you like the more simple gameplay/dialog then more power to you, I genuinely don't have a grudge against that. Although I am sincerely bummed that a interesting fantasy world like Thedas, and the even more interesting Qunari are now relegated to a franchise that's turned into a rather shallow, but more broadly appealing Action RPG. I'm just glad that CRPGs are becoming nearly mainstream to the point I can't keep up with the releases.
It's always interesting hearing people talk about origins as a crpg. I played through it several times on console, and so did all of my friend group, and you couldn't zoom all the way out to a top down tactical style where you control your whole party. It was always just a third person rpg with an ability wheel. It wasn't until years later I picked the game back up on PC during a sale that I found all these other features. It was mind blowing. So when the series moves on in number 2, it didn't really feel that much different to me, aside from the extremely rushed nature of the game of course. There was the flashier combat, and the much less abilities, but the feel of the game was fairly the same. So even though I've played through all 3 games several times each, my feelings on the matter are closer to Bruce here. The combat I see in veil guard, while not amazing, doesn't feel that different compared to past entries to me.
There are subclasses within the three major classes that have different starting abilities, this is a rogue subclass that has a stronger focus on magic.
According to Bioware, abilities for classes and backgrounds merge into individual versions. The shadow dragon/rogue background in the trailer is tied to magic and rogue, while your rogue with another background might not be magic based at all, like if you decide to be a grey warden/rogue. We haven't gotten many details about how deep this goes or even how it actually works, but it seems to be a theme for some, if not most of your abilities, that they get a secondary effect or just another elemental property based on your background... It's suppossed to work with a prime and detonation style of combat to set up combos, but it's not actually been shown yet...
There are these things called runes, they are enchantments for melee weapons to deal certain kind of elemental damage. Could apply them in DAO or craft weapons like that in DAI. But DATV just has it as an attack straight up instead.
Regardless of the conversation about the new DA. About important subject of bear-fking and "they'll find another animal". First of all, that topic is overexaggerated, everyone who played later build of EA BG3, I think post patch9 in EA, knows that Minthara scene in Act1 is the shit. You literally 69 on some stone altar. And then you form a relationship, if you don't snap her neck, or she doesn't stab you, or you save her at Moonrise... But, like cmon, the game has squid sex scene, in which you're presented with dialogue choices on foreplay, while already levitating btw, and I don't remember if there is an insight check (btw, wtf?) or not, but your character remembers that mindflayer tentacles are their erogenous zones. So you start gently kissing and sucking tentacles while the mindflayer moans. Yeah. And somehow people are talking about the bear-fking scene. So, unless somehow they go with an even wilder option for DA, like dwarf-elf-human threesome full-frontal nudity that is joined by the demon on pride while Solas watches naked from the other room, I don't think there is a lot that could be done, if we're still talking about RPGs, and not specialized games.
DAI on nightmare is great, DAI on easy/normal feels like this gameplay, rarely have to pause. But DAi on nightmare requires a lot of pausing, combing character abilities, spacing of allies. Making sure you have good gear via crafting. I'm just hoping this gameplay is on easy/normal and on harder difficulty will require more strategy. But DAi still never got as difficult as DAo. Also DAI had great hard choices to make, really good lore. Having decisions from DAO matter (like allistar fate) I thought really well done. At launch I never thought I'd become a DAI fan boy but over time I've become one
I felt the same about Inquisition... pretty easy and mindless on Normal, but just bumping it up to Hard made being a tank warrior feel like *having to actually learn how to tank* for your party or they die. It seems like many people disliked it, but it was like a single player MMO for me in all the right ways.
DA2 had the hardest and most engaging combat, to this day I haven't fully figured how to properly beat the Duke and the Wyvern from the DLC, I always have to find some cheese strats. DAO gets pretty easy once you get mana clash and blood magic.
I never paused once on my nightmare run. I actually felt like it was super easy, I still had to turn on trials to stop from oneshotting everything w my Templar. Absurdly easy compared to 2, let alone origins.
I find myself agreeing with Lawrence's analysis. I had basically the same thoughts as I watched the preview, *especially* the Mass Effect comparisons. If this comes to Game Pass, great, I'll probably play it day 1, but I need to see a lot more info before I might be convinced to buy this.
I'm just happy this game is even coming out. Like I semi understand the complaints for it and like I miss Dragon orgins too, but it just feel kinda nice that we're getting this series again. For while there it felt like Bioware wasn't gonna do anything with it. Just happy we get to continue the Solas story.
I'm like Bruce where I have no attachment to Dragon Age the same way it's fanbase does so what I saw I was impressed and excited by. Funny enough the Rouge gameplay they showed off was exactly the type of Fantasy RPG combat I've wanted forever and got me on board with the game. I'm trying to play through all the Dragon Age game before this releases though so I'm interested to see how the franchise has evolved for better or worse and the fact that every game seems to be completely different in terms of gameplay should be fun and help avoid burnout.
I played DAO when it first came out, and I loved it (still do), but I guess I'm an outlier in that DAI was my favorite, so DAtV looks very promising to me; it looks a lot like DAI. All I really wanted out of this game is for my Inquisitor to reunite with Solas, and the devs have confirmed that that's going to happen, so I'm happy! Maybe it's sunken cost fallacy, but this has been my most anticipated game for the last 10 years, and I was an Early Access BG3 player. I'm not saying I expect it to be better than BG3, but I think it definitely has GOTY potential. Can't wait!
Dragon Age: Origins is one of my all time favorite games. I remember first trying Dragon Age 2 (I think it was a demo on PS3) and I was almost mad or disgusted at how different it was, and how bad it felt by comparison. Total switch in combat, being forced to play as a specific named character, the repetitive environments. I barely touched it. I played Dragon Age: Inquisition a little more, but not much. Was still too different for my liking, but closer to Origins than 2 was. I keep telling myself I will go back and give them a proper chance, but it's so hard when I compare them to Origins. This looks no different. Probably fun, but when compared to Origins, I feel like it won't hold up for me. And it's hard not to compare them, when they're all part of the same series. I loved the Mass Effect trilogy too (never touched Andromeda), and Veilguard is getting Mass Effect comparisons, so maybe that will help.
i too loved origins the most. i too was put off by 2 but after getting over the poor combat i kept going, im very glad i did as it has 2 of my favourite characters in it and the story is great just on a less grand scale than 1 and 3
I feel like Dragon age is a series where few likes every installment, mainly due to how diffrent they all are, Some like Origins, some like Inquisiton. By most standards the only thing uniting the series is that it is set in the same world and all are rpgs of some kind. Mass effect porbaly didnt suffer the same "fate" by merit of how interlinked the games are, story and gameplay wise. Personaly I'm not against most of what ive seen of Vielguard other than probaly the 3 abilites thing and limited companions but they might be remedied by seeing the combat system in full, i guess we will have to wait and see.
@@viktorhermansson2284I have liked every game (I’m the type of person who liked Dark Souls 2 when it came out because I really value attempts at doing new things even if they don’t work out well) and I think this game looks very interesting, I am going to miss being able to control characters but in Inquisition it really was more of a contrivance than an actual mechanic and I could tell they were moving towards an aRPG. Things like facial animations being stiff kinda suck but… not a single BioWare game has had good facial animations. I’m probably gonna sail the high seas and then purchase if I like it, which I probably will. The story is being set up very well as someone who is a lore person over gameplay.
I gotta feel bad for Bioware/DragonAge with Larian reminding people the old school can still be achieved and it could be incredible. Now DA is stuck in this spot where it's trying to be cookie-cutter blockbuster pseudo RPG while it still has fans holding out hope for that classic. I've personally moved on, and like the guys said, I don't need DA to be Baldur's gate anymore, I;m fine with this game being... 'dumb' for lack of a better word, it would be cool if DA could still be complex, but I mean I think we're past that now, ship has sailed, etc. Not mad about this at all, looks like a 50 hour game or something that I would buy and enjoy if it was 50% off.
No dragon age aesthetically looks or plays like any other so I don’t think I agree with it not looking like DA. I played them all for the first time during the pandemic and loved all 3 of them but I can see why origins is as beloved as it is for the companions and story choices. My bar is low for BioWare but it will be worth it as long as it’s a choice based rpg where choices have consequences including choices I made in previous games.
Bioware's still operating with the "no one wants to play crpgs anymore" mindset. Unfortunately, Baldur's Gate 3 released while they developed this and I think this game's going to get eaten alive at launch as a result. Turns out a crpg is exactly what people would have wanted from this.
Franchises evolve, it's just the way of things. I love Dragon Age Origins, but I also love Inquisition. I absolutely love Baldurs Gate 1 & 2, but I also absolutely love Baldurs gate 3 despite it being very different. If Veilguard is a fun game with replayability then we'll probably see a modding scene on PC like every other Bioware game before it, and it'll have some longevity. If on the other hand it gets reviewbombed by the internet clown squad for not being an Origins clone, yeah that'll suck because Bioware really aren't into fixing bad games, i.e. Andromeda which on it's own is a really fun game to play, it just needed way more time in the oven. We'll see...
It's interesting to see how both Fable and Dragon Age follow similar path. They both had amazing first game, with following titles only trying to be more and more mainstream and simplified, only to have that blow up in their face over and over. Perhaps Fable II was better than Dragon Age II and Inquisition was better than Fable III, depending on who you ask, but the result is the same.
@@jasonmay6368 If you enjoy it more then go ahead, but to me the gameplay feels "streamlined" The already easy combat, is somehow even easier, interesting magic combinations from the original are gone but as easy as it is the combat can also feel tedious at the same time and dying isn't just unlikely but basically impossible, though I understand if the story, characters or some other changes are more interesting to you. In the end I don't particularly care either way.
LOL! Fable 3..... I had it in my Steam library, and I played about 10 hours with it. I forced myself that maybe the next corner there will be the "fable expereince" and the enjoyable part. Then I became so angry of myself, that I payed full price for that garbage, I write a letter to Steam support to remove it from my library, I don't even want compesation, I just want it removed. Never regretted that choice.
can't believe the news inlet called "inside games" is getting previews. really proud of these 2 strapping young men doing it from the ground up after leaving rooster teeth.
As a person who has zero interest in playing this series/this kind of game, I hate how I'm in a position where I feel like I have to buy this just to seed the possibility of ever seeing a Mass Effect reboot or spin-off in my lifetime.
Eh I'm happy with the amazing trilogy we already have. Bioware could bankrupt and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Any quality this company produces is long gone.
@@lololol924 Personally, I'm not happy with the trilogy we got. I simply view the Mass Effect universe as incredibly fertile ground for a whole host of stories that need not involve anywhere near a 'universal threat'. (I'd state that better but I bet YT would reject my comment.) The problem is that if they shutter BioWare, realistically, that's it. EA can shamble on, making their sports slop and sit on their IP hoard in near perpetuity.
I liked Dragon Age 2 but I love Origins and Inquisition. I even played through Dragon Age 2 three times one for each class you can be and I think I had the most fun as a Mage, I believe I also got the platinum trophy on PS3 too. However all the dungeons and caves were the exact same layout the only thing that changed with them is where you entered and exited. And yea choices in 2 had little affect on the world, I think choices only affected companions I don't remember because it's been so long since I played it. Veil Guard looks good maybe a little too simple though.
Jesus I've never heard someone complain about the lore so much for a series they don't really understand. Tevinter is well established as this kind of place.
@@OldManRiv3r one of their complaints was about how the city was cyberpunk and that the series lore lost its identity trying to chase rule of cool. That's what I was replying too.
I have no clue why the dropped the tactical combat the fans enjoyed. It's not like it drove players away, DA:I is one of BioWare's best selling games and had tactical combat. DA:V just looks like a standard action game and the fact that it was going to be a live service games at one really shows in it's style of combat. As Lawrence said, BioWare has started chasing trends, rather than setting them, and DA:V feels like it is trying to chase the trend of the third person action-adventure games, while not understanding that the tactical combat is what helped set it apart from other RPGs.
I think why there is some fan appreciation for DA 2 that despite it's flaws it had enough in the game that it felt similar to Origins and KOTOR more so than Inquisition did.
I hated DA2 when it released.. but Inquisition was so much worse,, that it actually made me appreciate da2, and I now view da2 sslightly more favorably
Just a quick catch up, it's the events of Inquisiton ending which is hidden behind a DLC, so it's spoilers: We learn that your companion Solas is Fen'Harel, an elven "god" known as the trickster and the elves don't like him very much. Turns out elves worship slave masters and Solas ran a campaign against them. In order to weaken the evil slave masters who had very powerful magic he created the Veil, the separation from the spirit world and physical world, severely depriving the world from having all the crazy magic they had back them. The side effect is that the elves also had their civilisation collapse, and were in turn conquered by the humans and made slaves. So Solas came to the conclusion that he inflicted a lot of harm trying to help his people, but just ended up making things worse, now he's trying to destroy the Veil he created to remake the old world, presumably without god-like slave masters subjugating the elves.
I find it a bit ironic that in the Mass Effect games, the vast majority of the romanceable crew members had pre-defined sexual orientations, which feels more realistic than what this game is doing by making everyone pansexual (which is itself a bit of a cop out in response to other games having just player-focused orientations, like BG3). I say this not as being against pansexuality generally, but with the understanding that even in a fictional society that is probably more progressive than ours when it comes to love and orientation, not everyone can possibly be pan. That feels like a statistical wonder. Straight and gay people with specific orientations exist too. What I suspect is at the root here is that BioWare just doesn't have the will to tell players no. Every romanceable NPC has to be available for all players so that every player can act out their dream ship, instead of feeling like they need to play as a gender they wouldn't pick first to get an ideal romance partner, or the opposite where they find themselves settling for the next best romanceable option if the one they originally wanted isn't attracted to their gender normally. But then again, that's life, right? You may run into a cute guy/girl and be initially attracted to them, only to then feel that disappointment when you learn they aren't attracted to your gender. It happens. But of course, games are about escapism too, so take all that with a pinch of salt.
@@CasaCorp ya they said they'll give you an option at the beginning of the game to customize your inquisitor and choose some stuff that happened in the last games
I love the dragon age series. honestly its due to my love of bioware from that era. I'm more familiar with mass effect than baldurs gate so I dug DA2. Definately repetitive and rushed but It had some ideas with the bioware wheel i found cool.
I'm optimistic. As many have seen, every dragon age has essentially been a different game type. They kept the rpg, but origins was old school rpg 2 was light-hearted open area inquisition was full blown rpg. The world changing decisions really stopped after origins, and ven 2 most major choices were minor except the end. This new style may not be for everyone but as someone who likes all the games, including inquisition I think taking a step back from open world and back to a more controlled environment is for the best for bioware. Bioware games are mostly played for the story, so if the story is good, I'll call this a win. But bioware is definitely gonna have to make the story good.
I feel like all your arguments on core gameplay evolution/presentation are also found in the Witcher series. Why is it lauded in the Witcher but lambasted in Dragon Age?
Dragon Age lost features while Witcher gained them. Going from DAO to DA2, players lost a lot of depth in gameplay, narrative and scope. DAI did a better job but it's still not what the game was initially capable of. Witcher on the other hand was a mess in the beginning. It was a niche game that developed its features to become an enjoyable game while maintaining the narrative and scope that the first title developed.
There are many camps within this franchise. The upset folk are usually the loudest. Some ppl love the old crpg combat of origins - but I think the story and companions is what really made that game great. Same with inquisition with companions.
I’m a bit concerned the gameplay trailer was set at an early level so you couldn’t really see what combat actually looks like. Overall you can tell they’ve gone in a more mass effect direction which may not be terrible but I think existing fans of the series might miss the more tactical combat of earlier games. My biggest concerns though are dialogue and art direction which still feel like a big step down in quality from what we’re used to. I don’t know, I want to be optimistic but let’s be honest we have a lot of very good sword and sorcery RPG’s these days from bg3 to dragons dogma and even more coming up. I’m not seeing anything compelling here.
Always important to set your expectations correctly. This game is probably going to play it safe in many respects since Bioware has lost it's prestigious reputation with Andromeda and Anthem. They need to get back the goodwill they lost.
Bioware Devs did an interview yesterday saying the opposite of your predictions here. They claimed theres only a little focus on big action moments while most of the attention is being put towards "rpg-ness". Sounds promising if its true.
Is cyberpunk 2077 the only game with defined sexual orientation for NPC? Does gender and orientation matter in baldur’s gate 3 or you can romance anyone as anyone?
David Gaider says it will be a while before we see the effects of BG3 manifest themselves. Not an exact quote but close imo I have my doubts this game will be successful. Gaider doesn't work for Bioware any more. Mike Laidlaw doesn't work for Bioware any more. Mary Cherry was laid off. Bioware being an EA game company is a big negative. Something Andrew Wilson should realize. I don't like the graphics' and the art style. I don't like the combat. I don't like what some of the characters look like. it won't be another BG3. Obviously. So I agree the story has to be exceptional. The relationships with the characters and the dialogue must be exceptional. I doubt the game will rise to those levels.
It might just be the combat with the rogue class, but (and this just off early impressions) it triggers my memories of Two Worlds and Two Worlds 2. The combat was very floating and trying to look cool but it just came off as too much. In a post Elden Ring world I want to feel the weight of the swing more. I’ll wait until release but my expectations are lowering.
I’m cautiously optimistic for veilguard. Inquisitions quests and open world was an unnecessary chore. I don’t mind the fast paced gameplay changes since there’s rarely consequences to failing combat in older titles. The only consistent thing in DA is silly the companions and that’s okay I’m just expecting a fun adventure game with some personalisation
the 'curated levels' thing concerns me a bit, because the way they talked about it seemed like it was mission based which is not exactly how RPGs work.. if its like origins, zone based with a world map and quests become available at different points etc then i'll be happy, i just hope its not do a mission, go to camp, rinse and repeat
Inquisition was one of the weirdest game of the years I've ever seen. I played the game and found it... really awful I guess? For me personally it would literally be like a 1 or 2 out of 10 bad. So when I hear that Veilguard is not like Inquisition, that's good news to me.
It's this game. It sucks. Lawrence almost sounded like he caught himself before saying "the writing's on the wall". It's fair to try to not judge the game before playing it... but it already has all the signs of a total cash grab stinker.
@Shaft0 no shame in not liking a game or a franchise taking a new direction, but my point is they are negative about games more often than not. I truly enjoy listening to them covering gaming news, but listening to them constantly be pessimistic about all new titles unless they are Japanese titty slammers is just getting on my nerves.
It has not lost its charm because we have not seen the full product..... im a fan of the series and will fully hold out any judgements until I am near the fuckin end of the game..... HAVE FAITH PEOPLE
I'd compare Veilguard to being the Final Fantasy 16 of Dragon Age in terms of mission based stories and combat based on what i've seen, and that's an astounding game so I'll definitely give it the benefit of the doubt until it's in my hands
"Big, dumb, stupid, horny but with tender moments, early 2010s, accessible by anybody, lots and lots of American dollars on fire, impossible anime clothes...but it's good, I'm here for it" 😅 Bioware made sure to pre-install a bunch of a comfiest seats they could find on that fence because if they can't make a game that risks anything then they don't want game reviewers to risk anything either 😂
Can’t get over the main characters name, it’s just…..what the hell. Nah ya gotta earn the romance, pacing from BioWare has been good for that stuff. Think what yall said is mostly accurate, they’ve lost the RPG aspects for more mass effect feel for sure. Really miss that KOTOR dragon age 1 type of playstyle. I think if this game flops then maybe BioWare is totally done, idk🤷🏼♂️
I'm undecided on what I've seen so far, but I have trust issues with Bioware these days, especially when it comes to Dragon Age. That being said, the fact that it ISN'T open world is actually a selling point for me. I've been saturated with open worlds. These days they almost feel like a lazy cash grab.
I'll probably get shit on for this, but I thought DA2 had peak combat for me. I loved Origins, and I originally didn't like DA2, but I revisited it a couple times. I realized how much I loved the tactical pauses, the flexibility to give multiple orders. When you hit the hotkey for a move it felt like the attack had weight and good sound. The backstab always looked so cool. I ended up loving the combat so much that it 100% ruined inquisition for me. I hated the 3rd version of combat they made, and I just stopped trying to play it.
The thing is story wise I’m excited I like the story of DA always had fun but the game play was always interesting even when it was turned into a more hack and slash style but this games combat looks so uninteresting it looks like ME I hope tactics is still a thing and that the AI can still play by itself without my need to control them
Dragon age is my favorite fantasy series of all time and I fall into both camps of belief when it comes to these games. I started playing with Origins, and I do really believe it is peak DA in both storytelling and gameplay. However in my eyes I truly believe what’s kept this franchise alive to its core following is the Narrative, regardless of gameplay. I view the criticism towards the combat systems and the simplified mechanics as completely valid. It sucks that they’ve moved away from that style of gameplay. Unfortunately money will win and water things down for mass appeal, that’s what’s happened with the initial layers of this series. But hopefully it still rings true in this new installment, that if you dig a little deeper and try to get to the heart of this game there is genuine substance. Thats how I feel about Da2, and Inquisition. Yeah they kinda look like poop and ass and are pretty repetitive, and it is a shame that it takes this level of dumbing down to sell a unique fantasy IP. But there are great quests and characters housed in a broader world that really do respond to your actions. More importantly there is heart at the center of this franchise, at least in my opinion. It’s still to be seen what Veilguard will really offer. And I’m gonna be hopeful because the other option is to be mad about something I have no knowledge, or control of.
Gonna do what I did when cyberpunk released, instead of playing a broken game I went back and replayed the shadow run trilogy. Prob just gonna give baldurs gate 1-2 a playthrough and finish off with Orgins once Vielguard releases. Rip bioware
Solas' story is weird in a world with the Blight and some calamity that literally forces everyone to be equal, in death and possible heroism. Which was a major appeal of the Grey Wardens and the Blight storyline. Feels like they took one of the smaller storylines within Origins and made an entire series off it. Like when people write a 400 page book based on a throw-away sentence in another book written by a more proficient author. The more iterative of the derivative it becomes, the more diluted and less significant the point is. It just looks and reads goofy AF to me.
For me never played the first two dragon age games started with inquisition was fun but a bit to grindy. Tried baldurs gate 3 and I just can’t get into turned based combat it’s just not engaging enough for me to
It may just be me but all the characters look like they've got one of those "beautifying" AI tiktok/Instagram filters on their faces and its weird. Other than that I'll reserve my opinions til I've seen more.
![[HARD RANT] Dragon Age Veilguard? Why I feel nothing....](/img/n.gif)
i mean honestly if people wanna keep putting money into exclusively single player AAA experiences without microtransactions i got nothin to complain about. good for them and good for all the people who are into it
Do u think this won't have any MT in it?
@@Spitfire-zx7rj It know it might seem like it will. But it won't. This isn't the first time EA, of all companies, has NOT put MTX into a single player game. I just hope it keeps coming from Bioware.
Love the "post Baldurs Gate 3" comment, especially ironic since Bioware developed the first and second Baldurs Gate games, as well as Neverwinter Nights...
Dragon Origins was the best , the look, the feel, the grim choices you had to make…and giving you a look at both the hero’s side and the “villains” side.
Give me back my Grey Warden, his family misses him.
Edit:Chuckles was Varrics name for Solace in DAI
Petition for the name to be changed back to Dreadwolf.
dont get why people hate this. i know it doesnt like like dragon age anymore. but the game can still be fun. i said so themselfes that they made it like final fantasy. and i like final fantasy so this is a 1 day game for me
@@gamer4ever838 The point is more: why even call it DA anymore. Do words and names mean nothing? Only halfway rhetorical -- corporate just wants money, it doesnt matter how many franchises and studios they hijack and derail.
@@gamer4ever838 Yeah i feel like this game has gotten a lot of fucking hate, which i get if people are cautios with the game and that reveal trailer was not the best first impression, but the absolute vitralic hate some people have for this game seems unfounded. Feel like some people just want to hate for hate sake instead of just going "That loosk neat, or not neat" and moving on. For my part i think this looks neat and will follow any devolpments made and judge whether or not i will buy the game when it launghes. Though i feel like this year seems like a pretty great year for Rpg fans with us getting Avowed, Kingdom Come 2 and Veilguard in around the same time
I will call it Cippa Lippa.
No because that low-key limits what the game will be about, with Veilguard the squad you're building is front and center of the story
I definitely urge people to give Inquisition (and its Trespasser DLC) another shot. The combat is definitely dated, but once the game gets going, it REALLY takes off story-wise. Many of the characters are some of my favorites in the series.
I just bought it a couple months ago, I have 100+ hours into it lol
My one question is I tried to beat it twice but I'm always left feeling, stupid. But I had no issues beating BG3.
Any tips for navigating the areas and fighting the actual dragons better?
@@dropkickpherby6994
What do you mean? There’s definitely an order to which regions to explore because they become progressively harder. It’s smart to always have a mage in your party. If you are playing as a mage, you’ll want to use the barrier spell to protect your party members as much as possible. As far as dragons, they’re not meant to be attempted until you’ve gotten to atleast level 12. I always use my tanks & mages. Rogues don’t do well with dragons.
I tried man. I just can't get over all the open world fluff they keep putting in the way of actually experiencing the story.
@@dropkickpherby6994 Actually use the resistance buffs for the dragon's specific damage you can get from equipment, runes and potions, micro manage your party.
The attacks are usually signalled noticeably, which means, if you keep track of them and where your party members are, you can move them out of harm.
Use your tanks' abilities to keep the dragon from going after the damage dealers.
When I first started the game, I was very frustrated as well, never had any big problems killing the few dragons in DAO or DA2, and then I kept on dying against the first dragon I encountered in DAI, like others have written, don't start with them too early, not before level 12 at least and since the dragons are usually in line with the rest of the region's difficulty, it might make sense to go to the next region and gain a few extra levels and then go back to the dragon of the previous area, if they were too difficult at first try.
And again, I don't know how you usually do it, but due to the status effects, it's really important to use gear and buffs that protect specifically against the dragon's damage type. I tend to just use the best armour and buffs available usually, and that honestly works fine for me in single player games, but in this case, even a weaker armour which has high frost resistance will serve you better against a dragon dealing frost damage.
As for navigating the game in general, if you have problems recognizing which area to tackle next, there are guides to look up what the best order for the different areas is.
Inquisition was not open world, it was in fact open areas, which each on its own were kind of massive, thus giving this open world feel. Kind of like Andromeda sort of zoning, only not into each one being a slice of a planet, but rather a distinct part of bigger land, or a city and such :)
When I saw the cinematic trailer, I thought this was some spinoff.
I was like, "is this Dreadwolf? Oh, no. It's not. Probably some phone game or something."
6:20 I was thinking "there was never any hard combat in DA:O"
And I remembered encountering a perfectly normal cat. It even said so:
"I am a cat, really." - Kitty
And with that level of trustworthiness, I let her play with her human companion.
Don't know what Lawrence was talking about.
Golems of Amgarrak's Final Boss on Nightmare is arguably one of the hardest single player Bosses of all time in an RPG of Origin's style.
@@TheBloodRedDane To be fair, that's DLC and it even has a warning in the description that it is extremely hard. The base game isn't too bad.
@@LaigledeMeaux Point taken. I still think it's part of the "Dragon Age Origins" experience though.
@@TheBloodRedDane I played it on release, so I don't think I played that.
Most of the harder fights in the launch game were skippable (Urn of sacred ashes was dependent on who you brought with, for example)
@@smalltime0 Sounds like you have some new content to play.
idk i disagree on the relationship thing. i actually quite enjoy the building of relationships in games as long as it feels natural. What i loved about BG3 (which admittedly, i didn't play on launch, i got it on ps5 when it came out then bought a pc later) I think the relationships were paced well. it took most of act 1 to get people like gale, lae'zel and shadowheart on board, but for the rest it was a bit of a slow burn for the romance and i like the variation of who is DTF right off the bat
They said the game will have different branching paths depending on the choices and the locations will change depending on the choiced lets wait and see
We'll have to wait and see. Inquisition had a lot of choices that never really made a difference.
Lawrence hit it nail on. I hadn't seen the gameplay until now and everything I saw made it look like Mass Effect 3. Hopefully the decision will end up mattering, but we'll need to see. Hopefully it's not "Color Changes at the end!"
Cant believe they made a fantasy version of Mass Effect: Andromeda lmao
BioWare die with Shepperd in mass effect 3
that was already Inquisition.
damn did yall play this game already?
@mr.jayjay2401 Theyre literally copying the same mechanics. Even Lawrence remarks on it.
No, Andromeda is just the sci-fi version of Inquisition.
We also have to consider that this bioware is not the same from mass effect or the original dragon age, and coming from two strikes with anthem and andromeda they are depending on this to work.
3 strikes... Inquisition was awful
@jmmywyf4lyf you are absolutely welcome to feel that way, but it was a financial success and won many game of the year awards when it released so it is far from a "strike out" and I understand why they are leaning more into those design choices even if I disagree with any of them
@@jmmywyf4lyf 5 if you count the outcry from DA:2's shoddy copy-pasta map construction and ME:3's endings furor.
@@Reptoman68 Hmmm you've forgotten the absolute MESS Inquisition was when it dropped. I couldn't even get it to run until almost 18 months after it dropped because of the infinite horizon bug that plagued almost every AMD PC user. It boomed because it was extremely popular on consoles, not because it was a great PC game. Once it was playable on PC it was a pretty good game... but you can't ignore the fact that it was available to many more players due to console and the fact it was only really playable for many PC players a year or more post-launch kept the hype rolling until awards were run.
The popularity can't be calculated in a vacuum. Raw numbers don't matter without taking into account the fact that more people play video games in Inquisition's era, it was available to more players because of the fact it went to console, and the launch popularity was artificially extended due to many players having to wait to play it.
@@noctoi Thats what Ive always said as well.. but ME3 was enjoyable overall, aside from the ending, the ridiculous multiplayer influence on campaign, and that citadel dlc.
DA2 was when I began to dislike Bioware personally.. but the consensus seems to be more around its recent 3 releases.. ME3, and DA2 still had the bulk ofOG developers and writers, and EA held ALOT of the blame for the issues
I also like that they changed Varric's hair color because obviously you can't have TWO ginger dwarves.
Well that and varric's getting on in years
So true. With all the colors of the rainbow available to choose from this seems like an easy fix (no brainer)
Plus lots of us redheads get darker hair as we get older, so he's aging
Darker, sure. Not gray. Red hair doesn’t go gray.
@@claurin284 remember varric's been very close to all sorts of magical hijinks that's enough to turn most people to white hair or chrome domes...
I honestly don’t get the hate? Like this game looks fun, combat looks pretty dope. Like I played dragon age inquisition as my first dragon age, and I enjoy it, I didn’t beat it but I enjoyed it, I like simple gameplay
Dragon Age 5 will be a Wordle total conversion and you will hate it for not being like DA4, and then someone will say they never played DA4 and thus don't understand why you hate, and .. then everyone can agree that words and names don't matter, and then EA can finally stop pretending to not take players for idiotic money bags.
I think a big part of the hate comes from the reaction to that first trailer and that spilling over into the gameplay reaction and mushing with the much smaller crowd of people mad about it not being tactical like DAO and DAI. I feel like everything they've said since and the gameplay trailer(while not perfect) has righted the ship a lot but a lot of people have made up their minds. Especially when that stupid culture war nonsense has also crept into the reaction to it.
Some people think Inquisition was a return to form, but others thought it further separated the series from Origins - which is one of the most beloved RPGs ever made .
I think it just comes down to the fact that you probably can't please Inquisition fans and Origins fans at the same time. They want different things, and most won't tolerate a compromise.
It's sounding like Origins fans are becoming louder nowadays, and that only make Inquisition fans (or fans who never played origins) scratch their heads at best, or get mad, themselves, at worst. It makes sense to me, anyway.
The hate is pretty straight forward in my opinion. I don't HATE Inquisition(DA:I) or Veilguard(DA:V), but I have no enthusiasm for them nor do I plan on buying the game. I'll give my reasons below, sorry for a long write up.
Dragon Age went from a thoughtful, more tactical combat CRPG(traditional RPG) where even seemingly small dialog decisions had real impact on parts of the game. You are an active participant with meaningful cause. and effect changes in DA:O and still somewhat in DA:2 as well. Outside of the largest decisions; DA:I didn't really have that, and almost certainly same for DA:V. DA:I feels like you're watching the story vs being in it. That's okay but it's fundamentally different.
All that's said without mentioning the seismic shift in tone between DA:O/2 and DA:I/DA:V -- where art style and overall aesthetics changed completely. It's undergone a Marvelization with Joss Whedon, James Gunn & Michael Bay being overwhelming influences. That's undeniable with these recent trailers. It's neon colors, quippy dialog that's straddling the line trying to be humorous and serious at the same time. The world is literally falling apart around us but a little smile and joke makes sense, because Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy made a billion dollars.
I understand why people like Inquisition and may be excited for DA:V. If you like the more simple gameplay/dialog then more power to you, I genuinely don't have a grudge against that. Although I am sincerely bummed that a interesting fantasy world like Thedas, and the even more interesting Qunari are now relegated to a franchise that's turned into a rather shallow, but more broadly appealing Action RPG.
I'm just glad that CRPGs are becoming nearly mainstream to the point I can't keep up with the releases.
Bring on the big budget 2010 vibes!
I don't think there's enough here to make any judgements.
Yeah to say it's "there to rub the audience off" with only 25 minutes of cut up gameplay feels like a wild take
Not for me. There's plenty of reason why I lost my interest already
If it is as good as Inquisition then I'll be happy.
The bar must be subterranean for you lmao
of course this is a high budget game,
It took ten years to make 😏
It's always interesting hearing people talk about origins as a crpg. I played through it several times on console, and so did all of my friend group, and you couldn't zoom all the way out to a top down tactical style where you control your whole party.
It was always just a third person rpg with an ability wheel.
It wasn't until years later I picked the game back up on PC during a sale that I found all these other features. It was mind blowing.
So when the series moves on in number 2, it didn't really feel that much different to me, aside from the extremely rushed nature of the game of course. There was the flashier combat, and the much less abilities, but the feel of the game was fairly the same.
So even though I've played through all 3 games several times each, my feelings on the matter are closer to Bruce here. The combat I see in veil guard, while not amazing, doesn't feel that different compared to past entries to me.
Why is the first rogue ability a magical attack?!
There are subclasses within the three major classes that have different starting abilities, this is a rogue subclass that has a stronger focus on magic.
According to Bioware, abilities for classes and backgrounds merge into individual versions. The shadow dragon/rogue background in the trailer is tied to magic and rogue, while your rogue with another background might not be magic based at all, like if you decide to be a grey warden/rogue.
We haven't gotten many details about how deep this goes or even how it actually works, but it seems to be a theme for some, if not most of your abilities, that they get a secondary effect or just another elemental property based on your background... It's suppossed to work with a prime and detonation style of combat to set up combos, but it's not actually been shown yet...
There are these things called runes, they are enchantments for melee weapons to deal certain kind of elemental damage. Could apply them in DAO or craft weapons like that in DAI. But DATV just has it as an attack straight up instead.
Rogues and Warriors have always been able to use a dash of magical elements one way or another.
@@Dylamnwell not always
Regardless of the conversation about the new DA.
About important subject of bear-fking and "they'll find another animal". First of all, that topic is overexaggerated, everyone who played later build of EA BG3, I think post patch9 in EA, knows that Minthara scene in Act1 is the shit. You literally 69 on some stone altar. And then you form a relationship, if you don't snap her neck, or she doesn't stab you, or you save her at Moonrise...
But, like cmon, the game has squid sex scene, in which you're presented with dialogue choices on foreplay, while already levitating btw, and I don't remember if there is an insight check (btw, wtf?) or not, but your character remembers that mindflayer tentacles are their erogenous zones. So you start gently kissing and sucking tentacles while the mindflayer moans. Yeah. And somehow people are talking about the bear-fking scene.
So, unless somehow they go with an even wilder option for DA, like dwarf-elf-human threesome full-frontal nudity that is joined by the demon on pride while Solas watches naked from the other room, I don't think there is a lot that could be done, if we're still talking about RPGs, and not specialized games.
DAI on nightmare is great, DAI on easy/normal feels like this gameplay, rarely have to pause. But DAi on nightmare requires a lot of pausing, combing character abilities, spacing of allies. Making sure you have good gear via crafting. I'm just hoping this gameplay is on easy/normal and on harder difficulty will require more strategy. But DAi still never got as difficult as DAo. Also DAI had great hard choices to make, really good lore. Having decisions from DAO matter (like allistar fate) I thought really well done. At launch I never thought I'd become a DAI fan boy but over time I've become one
I felt the same about Inquisition... pretty easy and mindless on Normal, but just bumping it up to Hard made being a tank warrior feel like *having to actually learn how to tank* for your party or they die.
It seems like many people disliked it, but it was like a single player MMO for me in all the right ways.
DA2 had the hardest and most engaging combat, to this day I haven't fully figured how to properly beat the Duke and the Wyvern from the DLC, I always have to find some cheese strats. DAO gets pretty easy once you get mana clash and blood magic.
I never paused once on my nightmare run. I actually felt like it was super easy, I still had to turn on trials to stop from oneshotting everything w my Templar. Absurdly easy compared to 2, let alone origins.
Agree. I used to say I was a DA fan. Turns out I’m just an Origins fan.
Veilguard doesn’t look appealing to me but hey, gamepass
I find myself agreeing with Lawrence's analysis. I had basically the same thoughts as I watched the preview, *especially* the Mass Effect comparisons.
If this comes to Game Pass, great, I'll probably play it day 1, but I need to see a lot more info before I might be convinced to buy this.
I appreciate the invincibility mode for accessibility purposes.
Lawrence has that stereotypical Hipster attitude to the Dragon Age series (loved origins but hated da2). :D
😂
I'm just happy this game is even coming out. Like I semi understand the complaints for it and like I miss Dragon orgins too, but it just feel kinda nice that we're getting this series again. For while there it felt like Bioware wasn't gonna do anything with it. Just happy we get to continue the Solas story.
I'm like Bruce where I have no attachment to Dragon Age the same way it's fanbase does so what I saw I was impressed and excited by. Funny enough the Rouge gameplay they showed off was exactly the type of Fantasy RPG combat I've wanted forever and got me on board with the game. I'm trying to play through all the Dragon Age game before this releases though so I'm interested to see how the franchise has evolved for better or worse and the fact that every game seems to be completely different in terms of gameplay should be fun and help avoid burnout.
I played DAO when it first came out, and I loved it (still do), but I guess I'm an outlier in that DAI was my favorite, so DAtV looks very promising to me; it looks a lot like DAI. All I really wanted out of this game is for my Inquisitor to reunite with Solas, and the devs have confirmed that that's going to happen, so I'm happy! Maybe it's sunken cost fallacy, but this has been my most anticipated game for the last 10 years, and I was an Early Access BG3 player. I'm not saying I expect it to be better than BG3, but I think it definitely has GOTY potential. Can't wait!
Dragon Age: Origins is one of my all time favorite games. I remember first trying Dragon Age 2 (I think it was a demo on PS3) and I was almost mad or disgusted at how different it was, and how bad it felt by comparison. Total switch in combat, being forced to play as a specific named character, the repetitive environments. I barely touched it. I played Dragon Age: Inquisition a little more, but not much. Was still too different for my liking, but closer to Origins than 2 was. I keep telling myself I will go back and give them a proper chance, but it's so hard when I compare them to Origins. This looks no different. Probably fun, but when compared to Origins, I feel like it won't hold up for me. And it's hard not to compare them, when they're all part of the same series. I loved the Mass Effect trilogy too (never touched Andromeda), and Veilguard is getting Mass Effect comparisons, so maybe that will help.
i too loved origins the most. i too was put off by 2 but after getting over the poor combat i kept going, im very glad i did as it has 2 of my favourite characters in it and the story is great just on a less grand scale than 1 and 3
I feel like Dragon age is a series where few likes every installment, mainly due to how diffrent they all are, Some like Origins, some like Inquisiton. By most standards the only thing uniting the series is that it is set in the same world and all are rpgs of some kind.
Mass effect porbaly didnt suffer the same "fate" by merit of how interlinked the games are, story and gameplay wise.
Personaly I'm not against most of what ive seen of Vielguard other than probaly the 3 abilites thing and limited companions but they might be remedied by seeing the combat system in full, i guess we will have to wait and see.
@@viktorhermansson2284I have liked every game (I’m the type of person who liked Dark Souls 2 when it came out because I really value attempts at doing new things even if they don’t work out well) and I think this game looks very interesting, I am going to miss being able to control characters but in Inquisition it really was more of a contrivance than an actual mechanic and I could tell they were moving towards an aRPG. Things like facial animations being stiff kinda suck but… not a single BioWare game has had good facial animations. I’m probably gonna sail the high seas and then purchase if I like it, which I probably will. The story is being set up very well as someone who is a lore person over gameplay.
I gotta feel bad for Bioware/DragonAge with Larian reminding people the old school can still be achieved and it could be incredible. Now DA is stuck in this spot where it's trying to be cookie-cutter blockbuster pseudo RPG while it still has fans holding out hope for that classic.
I've personally moved on, and like the guys said, I don't need DA to be Baldur's gate anymore, I;m fine with this game being... 'dumb' for lack of a better word, it would be cool if DA could still be complex, but I mean I think we're past that now, ship has sailed, etc. Not mad about this at all, looks like a 50 hour game or something that I would buy and enjoy if it was 50% off.
The combat indicators can be turned off in the settings. Not sure why they did the demo with that stuff on.
No dragon age aesthetically looks or plays like any other so I don’t think I agree with it not looking like DA. I played them all for the first time during the pandemic and loved all 3 of them but I can see why origins is as beloved as it is for the companions and story choices.
My bar is low for BioWare but it will be worth it as long as it’s a choice based rpg where choices have consequences including choices I made in previous games.
I have watched it consistently get less and less choice and consequence with each release.. Bioware now makes simple action adventure games
Bioware's still operating with the "no one wants to play crpgs anymore" mindset. Unfortunately, Baldur's Gate 3 released while they developed this and I think this game's going to get eaten alive at launch as a result. Turns out a crpg is exactly what people would have wanted from this.
Bruce will you be my dad
Franchises evolve, it's just the way of things. I love Dragon Age Origins, but I also love Inquisition. I absolutely love Baldurs Gate 1 & 2, but I also absolutely love Baldurs gate 3 despite it being very different. If Veilguard is a fun game with replayability then we'll probably see a modding scene on PC like every other Bioware game before it, and it'll have some longevity. If on the other hand it gets reviewbombed by the internet clown squad for not being an Origins clone, yeah that'll suck because Bioware really aren't into fixing bad games, i.e. Andromeda which on it's own is a really fun game to play, it just needed way more time in the oven. We'll see...
Yeah. They devolve sometimes too.
This game reminds me of Fable 3. There is still some hints of a great game, but it feels like it's lost it's charm
It's interesting to see how both Fable and Dragon Age follow similar path. They both had amazing first game, with following titles only trying to be more and more mainstream and simplified, only to have that blow up in their face over and over. Perhaps Fable II was better than Dragon Age II and Inquisition was better than Fable III, depending on who you ask, but the result is the same.
@@janbenes3165 Fable 2 is better than Fable.
@@jasonmay6368 If you enjoy it more then go ahead, but to me the gameplay feels "streamlined" The already easy combat, is somehow even easier, interesting magic combinations from the original are gone but as easy as it is the combat can also feel tedious at the same time and dying isn't just unlikely but basically impossible, though I understand if the story, characters or some other changes are more interesting to you. In the end I don't particularly care either way.
LOL! Fable 3..... I had it in my Steam library, and I played about 10 hours with it. I forced myself that maybe the next corner there will be the "fable expereince" and the enjoyable part. Then I became so angry of myself, that I payed full price for that garbage, I write a letter to Steam support to remove it from my library, I don't even want compesation, I just want it removed. Never regretted that choice.
@@janbenes3165 Good lord you suck.
can't believe the news inlet called "inside games" is getting previews. really proud of these 2 strapping young men doing it from the ground up after leaving rooster teeth.
As a person who has zero interest in playing this series/this kind of game, I hate how I'm in a position where I feel like I have to buy this just to seed the possibility of ever seeing a Mass Effect reboot or spin-off in my lifetime.
Eh I'm happy with the amazing trilogy we already have.
Bioware could bankrupt and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Any quality this company produces is long gone.
@@lololol924 Personally, I'm not happy with the trilogy we got. I simply view the Mass Effect universe as incredibly fertile ground for a whole host of stories that need not involve anywhere near a 'universal threat'. (I'd state that better but I bet YT would reject my comment.) The problem is that if they shutter BioWare, realistically, that's it. EA can shamble on, making their sports slop and sit on their IP hoard in near perpetuity.
@@orijimi I completely i agree. I just dont think EA has a vested interest in telling a scaled down story like you're describing
I liked Dragon Age 2 but I love Origins and Inquisition. I even played through Dragon Age 2 three times one for each class you can be and I think I had the most fun as a Mage, I believe I also got the platinum trophy on PS3 too. However all the dungeons and caves were the exact same layout the only thing that changed with them is where you entered and exited. And yea choices in 2 had little affect on the world, I think choices only affected companions I don't remember because it's been so long since I played it. Veil Guard looks good maybe a little too simple though.
Jesus I've never heard someone complain about the lore so much for a series they don't really understand. Tevinter is well established as this kind of place.
Seems to be a recurring theme among critics. Most haven’t actually played the games from start to finish. 🙄
@@randyjax09 or if they did it was like half of origins and they haven't touched it in 15 years
Bro what are you talking about? 😵💫They barely even complained.
@@OldManRiv3r one of their complaints was about how the city was cyberpunk and that the series lore lost its identity trying to chase rule of cool. That's what I was replying too.
@@Zoggwoggthe pride demon now has magical LEDs on it. It's just not the city.
I have no clue why the dropped the tactical combat the fans enjoyed. It's not like it drove players away, DA:I is one of BioWare's best selling games and had tactical combat. DA:V just looks like a standard action game and the fact that it was going to be a live service games at one really shows in it's style of combat.
As Lawrence said, BioWare has started chasing trends, rather than setting them, and DA:V feels like it is trying to chase the trend of the third person action-adventure games, while not understanding that the tactical combat is what helped set it apart from other RPGs.
The Tactical combat did not work in Inquisition..The frostbite engine could not allow for it, functionally
Looks final fantasy XVI seems entertaining
I think why there is some fan appreciation for DA 2 that despite it's flaws it had enough in the game that it felt similar to Origins and KOTOR more so than Inquisition did.
I hated DA2 when it released.. but Inquisition was so much worse,, that it actually made me appreciate da2, and I now view da2 sslightly more favorably
I agree with your statement on pacing.With a good pace you can forget what you're playing and just enjoy the ride👌🏾👏🏾
Finished DAO again for the 5th time this year, one of my favorite games of all time!
Just a quick catch up, it's the events of Inquisiton ending which is hidden behind a DLC, so it's spoilers: We learn that your companion Solas is Fen'Harel, an elven "god" known as the trickster and the elves don't like him very much. Turns out elves worship slave masters and Solas ran a campaign against them. In order to weaken the evil slave masters who had very powerful magic he created the Veil, the separation from the spirit world and physical world, severely depriving the world from having all the crazy magic they had back them. The side effect is that the elves also had their civilisation collapse, and were in turn conquered by the humans and made slaves. So Solas came to the conclusion that he inflicted a lot of harm trying to help his people, but just ended up making things worse, now he's trying to destroy the Veil he created to remake the old world, presumably without god-like slave masters subjugating the elves.
I find it a bit ironic that in the Mass Effect games, the vast majority of the romanceable crew members had pre-defined sexual orientations, which feels more realistic than what this game is doing by making everyone pansexual (which is itself a bit of a cop out in response to other games having just player-focused orientations, like BG3). I say this not as being against pansexuality generally, but with the understanding that even in a fictional society that is probably more progressive than ours when it comes to love and orientation, not everyone can possibly be pan. That feels like a statistical wonder. Straight and gay people with specific orientations exist too.
What I suspect is at the root here is that BioWare just doesn't have the will to tell players no. Every romanceable NPC has to be available for all players so that every player can act out their dream ship, instead of feeling like they need to play as a gender they wouldn't pick first to get an ideal romance partner, or the opposite where they find themselves settling for the next best romanceable option if the one they originally wanted isn't attracted to their gender normally. But then again, that's life, right? You may run into a cute guy/girl and be initially attracted to them, only to then feel that disappointment when you learn they aren't attracted to your gender. It happens. But of course, games are about escapism too, so take all that with a pinch of salt.
If it's fun I'll play it. How long after inquisition does this take place?
Pretty sure it's 8 years after the Trespasser Dlc so about 10 after the main game
So the Inquisitor will probably make an appearance in this like Hawke did. That might make me want to replay Inquisition
@@CasaCorp ya they said they'll give you an option at the beginning of the game to customize your inquisitor and choose some stuff that happened in the last games
I love the dragon age series. honestly its due to my love of bioware from that era. I'm more familiar with mass effect than baldurs gate so I dug DA2. Definately repetitive and rushed but It had some ideas with the bioware wheel i found cool.
Yikes! I'm trying super hard here to keep an open mind but my first thought was "This looks teeerrible!"
I'm optimistic. As many have seen, every dragon age has essentially been a different game type. They kept the rpg, but origins was old school rpg 2 was light-hearted open area inquisition was full blown rpg.
The world changing decisions really stopped after origins, and ven 2 most major choices were minor except the end. This new style may not be for everyone but as someone who likes all the games, including inquisition I think taking a step back from open world and back to a more controlled environment is for the best for bioware. Bioware games are mostly played for the story, so if the story is good, I'll call this a win. But bioware is definitely gonna have to make the story good.
My only critique is that I would've preferred that they stayed with the Dread Wolf title instead.
I'm really excited for this game. Looks fun and no micro transactions I'm in!
I feel like all your arguments on core gameplay evolution/presentation are also found in the Witcher series. Why is it lauded in the Witcher but lambasted in Dragon Age?
Dragon Age lost features while Witcher gained them.
Going from DAO to DA2, players lost a lot of depth in gameplay, narrative and scope. DAI did a better job but it's still not what the game was initially capable of.
Witcher on the other hand was a mess in the beginning. It was a niche game that developed its features to become an enjoyable game while maintaining the narrative and scope that the first title developed.
There are many camps within this franchise. The upset folk are usually the loudest. Some ppl love the old crpg combat of origins - but I think the story and companions is what really made that game great. Same with inquisition with companions.
@@dereka5017 yeah never even bothered to 100% it because what do you mean I have to collect shards?
I’m a bit concerned the gameplay trailer was set at an early level so you couldn’t really see what combat actually looks like. Overall you can tell they’ve gone in a more mass effect direction which may not be terrible but I think existing fans of the series might miss the more tactical combat of earlier games.
My biggest concerns though are dialogue and art direction which still feel like a big step down in quality from what we’re used to.
I don’t know, I want to be optimistic but let’s be honest we have a lot of very good sword and sorcery RPG’s these days from bg3 to dragons dogma and even more coming up. I’m not seeing anything compelling here.
Always important to set your expectations correctly. This game is probably going to play it safe in many respects since Bioware has lost it's prestigious reputation with Andromeda and Anthem. They need to get back the goodwill they lost.
Bioware Devs did an interview yesterday saying the opposite of your predictions here. They claimed theres only a little focus on big action moments while most of the attention is being put towards "rpg-ness". Sounds promising if its true.
What is the definition of marketing
Love these professional gaming journalism videos
Is cyberpunk 2077 the only game with defined sexual orientation for NPC? Does gender and orientation matter in baldur’s gate 3 or you can romance anyone as anyone?
David Gaider says it will be a while before we see the effects of BG3 manifest themselves. Not an exact quote but close imo
I have my doubts this game will be successful. Gaider doesn't work for Bioware any more. Mike Laidlaw doesn't work for Bioware any more. Mary Cherry was laid off. Bioware being an EA game company is a big negative. Something Andrew Wilson should realize. I don't like the graphics' and the art style. I don't like the combat. I don't like what some of the characters look like. it won't be another BG3. Obviously. So I agree the story has to be exceptional. The relationships with the characters and the dialogue must be exceptional. I doubt the game will rise to those levels.
It might just be the combat with the rogue class, but (and this just off early impressions) it triggers my memories of Two Worlds and Two Worlds 2. The combat was very floating and trying to look cool but it just came off as too much. In a post Elden Ring world I want to feel the weight of the swing more. I’ll wait until release but my expectations are lowering.
This channel has existed for over 3 years and no one told me? Thats fucked up.
I’m cautiously optimistic for veilguard. Inquisitions quests and open world was an unnecessary chore. I don’t mind the fast paced gameplay changes since there’s rarely consequences to failing combat in older titles. The only consistent thing in DA is silly the companions and that’s okay
I’m just expecting a fun adventure game with some personalisation
DA2 is way darker than DA:O. I think someone isn't paying attention.
the 'curated levels' thing concerns me a bit, because the way they talked about it seemed like it was mission based which is not exactly how RPGs work..
if its like origins, zone based with a world map and quests become available at different points etc then i'll be happy, i just hope its not do a mission, go to camp, rinse and repeat
Its weird that im more excited for a new Fable game than a Dragon Age
Inquisition was one of the weirdest game of the years I've ever seen. I played the game and found it... really awful I guess? For me personally it would literally be like a 1 or 2 out of 10 bad.
So when I hear that Veilguard is not like Inquisition, that's good news to me.
Tevinter feel like Gothham - combat look like batman game also Bruce also there...what a match made in heaven
I hope they sell enough of this game to stay alive but not so much that they don’t try to make drastic changes to correct their course as a company.
Holy cow have you guys got depressing to listen to for reviews. Think I'll stick to the news. 😅
It's this game. It sucks. Lawrence almost sounded like he caught himself before saying "the writing's on the wall". It's fair to try to not judge the game before playing it... but it already has all the signs of a total cash grab stinker.
@Shaft0 no shame in not liking a game or a franchise taking a new direction, but my point is they are negative about games more often than not.
I truly enjoy listening to them covering gaming news, but listening to them constantly be pessimistic about all new titles unless they are Japanese titty slammers is just getting on my nerves.
It has not lost its charm because we have not seen the full product..... im a fan of the series and will fully hold out any judgements until I am near the fuckin end of the game..... HAVE FAITH PEOPLE
I'd compare Veilguard to being the Final Fantasy 16 of Dragon Age in terms of mission based stories and combat based on what i've seen, and that's an astounding game so I'll definitely give it the benefit of the doubt until it's in my hands
hey lae'zel fucked me like the first 2 hours of my playthrough in bg3 lol
"Big, dumb, stupid, horny but with tender moments, early 2010s, accessible by anybody, lots and lots of American dollars on fire, impossible anime clothes...but it's good, I'm here for it"
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Bioware made sure to pre-install a bunch of a comfiest seats they could find on that fence because if they can't make a game that risks anything then they don't want game reviewers to risk anything either 😂
Enchanted?
So did you quit DAI early, or was the open world pointless? How would you know if you didn't play it? Pick one.
Bruce, you can be MY BG3 Wizard
Just dont call it Dragon Age. But that goes against everything EA : 💸💸💸
Can’t get over the main characters name, it’s just…..what the hell. Nah ya gotta earn the romance, pacing from BioWare has been good for that stuff. Think what yall said is mostly accurate, they’ve lost the RPG aspects for more mass effect feel for sure.
Really miss that KOTOR dragon age 1 type of playstyle. I think if this game flops then maybe BioWare is totally done, idk🤷🏼♂️
I hate how much I dislike the direction dragon age has gone since Origins but I'm still here cause I know the writers will deliver
Well... there are a few people in Dragon Age that can turn into dragons if they choose a bigger animal xD
I'm undecided on what I've seen so far, but I have trust issues with Bioware these days, especially when it comes to Dragon Age. That being said, the fact that it ISN'T open world is actually a selling point for me. I've been saturated with open worlds. These days they almost feel like a lazy cash grab.
Too much old man yells at cloud commentary in this video
I'll probably get shit on for this, but I thought DA2 had peak combat for me. I loved Origins, and I originally didn't like DA2, but I revisited it a couple times. I realized how much I loved the tactical pauses, the flexibility to give multiple orders. When you hit the hotkey for a move it felt like the attack had weight and good sound. The backstab always looked so cool. I ended up loving the combat so much that it 100% ruined inquisition for me. I hated the 3rd version of combat they made, and I just stopped trying to play it.
The thing is story wise I’m excited I like the story of DA always had fun but the game play was always interesting even when it was turned into a more hack and slash style but this games combat looks so uninteresting it looks like ME I hope tactics is still a thing and that the AI can still play by itself without my need to control them
When are we getting a top 10 list visual novels/porn games from Lawrence
Guys, this looks like Hogwarts Legacy X Final Fantasy XVI.
Dragon age is my favorite fantasy series of all time and I fall into both camps of belief when it comes to these games. I started playing with Origins, and I do really believe it is peak DA in both storytelling and gameplay. However in my eyes I truly believe what’s kept this franchise alive to its core following is the Narrative, regardless of gameplay.
I view the criticism towards the combat systems and the simplified mechanics as completely valid. It sucks that they’ve moved away from that style of gameplay.
Unfortunately money will win and water things down for mass appeal, that’s what’s happened with the initial layers of this series. But hopefully it still rings true in this new installment, that if you dig a little deeper and try to get to the heart of this game there is genuine substance.
Thats how I feel about Da2, and Inquisition. Yeah they kinda look like poop and ass and are pretty repetitive, and it is a shame that it takes this level of dumbing down to sell a unique fantasy IP. But there are great quests and characters housed in a broader world that really do respond to your actions. More importantly there is heart at the center of this franchise, at least in my opinion.
It’s still to be seen what Veilguard will really offer. And I’m gonna be hopeful because the other option is to be mad about something I have no knowledge, or control of.
Gonna do what I did when cyberpunk released, instead of playing a broken game I went back and replayed the shadow run trilogy.
Prob just gonna give baldurs gate 1-2 a playthrough and finish off with Orgins once Vielguard releases.
Rip bioware
When is the next round-up coming?
I agree with what most what lawrence said as an long term big fan of dragon age. Also varric looks weird af as a brunette.
at this point the only reason they call it dragon age is its a recognizable name.
Solas' story is weird in a world with the Blight and some calamity that literally forces everyone to be equal, in death and possible heroism. Which was a major appeal of the Grey Wardens and the Blight storyline. Feels like they took one of the smaller storylines within Origins and made an entire series off it. Like when people write a 400 page book based on a throw-away sentence in another book written by a more proficient author. The more iterative of the derivative it becomes, the more diluted and less significant the point is. It just looks and reads goofy AF to me.
Amazing video
So are we going to rationalize and relativize if Baldur's Gate 4 turns out to be to BG3 what DAVG is to DAO ?
We will all probaly be senile buy the time any new Baldurs gate games are made, But I am pretty excited to see what Larian is cooking next
If there will be a BG4, it won't be for a very long time. Larian have stated that they have no desire to begin working on a BG4.
For me never played the first two dragon age games started with inquisition was fun but a bit to grindy. Tried baldurs gate 3 and I just can’t get into turned based combat it’s just not engaging enough for me to
Bruce likes to watch.
It may just be me but all the characters look like they've got one of those "beautifying" AI tiktok/Instagram filters on their faces and its weird. Other than that I'll reserve my opinions til I've seen more.