The Acolyte’s “Rashomon Effect” is why you shouldn’t review shows before they are over
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- The third episode of the Acolyte has an abrupt ending. We go from a casual argument between siblings, to first degree murder and the massacre of an entire witch coven. The thing is we only see the events on Brendok from the eyes of Osha, and although she's an objective observer, she was also stuck in a maintenance shaft and therefore is unreliable. We theorize what actually happen on that fateful day with some color commentary from our editor Congo.
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Mae started the fire but the coven was massacred. That generator was already sabotaged and Torbin wouldn’t have taken his life if guilt wasn’t involved. We’re definitely missing something.
yeah it looked like they almost mass suicided or no burns no signs of struggle
Yep. The bodies were stacked in a pile.
He took his took his life because of what he witnessed/experienced while a dark witch was inside his head.
Did she, though? Sol tells us not to believe our eyes. She burned the book, then Osha turned away and when Osha turned back the whole doorway (a lot of dense wood) was burning at a good clip. I could be wrong, but right now I don't think Mae started the fire.
I'm thinking that Torbin didn't commit suicide because of something he did, but because of something he either didn't/couldn't do or something he was forced to do against his will.
Turbin has the scar at the end of the episode when osha wakes up on the Jedi ship, you can see him in the background with the wound that turns into the scar
Yes you really dont notice because your mind is focused on the foreground acting. Just a clue that indeed other things happened that we dont no about.
I came here to say the same thing. I think he may have been possessed again, and attacked the other jedi, or one of the others did. No way all those witches died from a fire that quickly
I was looking for this comment, it feels like no one else saw it!
When I saw that, I was like: Oh damn, they implanted memories into Osha didn't they? I hope they'll go that route, to show how the Jedi would cover up any mistakes they made, like any good government organization with deep pockets should.
I totally forgot about what the witches did to torbin until I watched this. Thsts deffinently gonna be important.
Dang. This is some of the most fun star-wars -speculating I've experienced in recent memory. It's a shame the show is getting all this hate nonsense. I hope the folks that created the show find this thread
I mean it kinda seems pretty clear that the whole episode is shown almost solely from Osha's perspective with the smallest scenes focusing on either wide shots to establish the area or to give us some context from mother Aniseya's perspective. So to me it seems like this episode shows Osha's memory of her time at the fortress and her recollection of the jedi visiting and the slaughter of her mothers. To an eight (?) year old "Your sister started a fire and then the fortress burnt down" sounds pretty logical, especially seeing as she was scared and angry at her sister at the time, and watched Mae set a fire. I have no idea why people had such an issue with this episode besides the standard "woman bad" reasons ngl, I thought it was great and gave us a good insight into Osha's memory of her past
A lot of haters said that it was insanely contrived and that further episodes and flashbacks were unlikely to offer satisfactory explanations.
And, honestly, it's a great call by the haters
Your analysis and theories behind this obviously cryptic and divisive episode, are easily the most sensible and articulate that I’ve seen yet.
Thank you for your channel and your wise insight. 🙂
Yes. Too bad that the real villain was terrible writing all along
I feel sorry for Torben, He seems nice and was just a padawan. Like idk what`s gona happen but i want to know more :(
right like he just gets his mind taken over and violated and everyone just moves on
Even though he had limited screen time, you’ve gotta love how he explained to Osha on how long it’ll take until she will make her own lightsaber
@@GenerationTech Someone frame by frame looked at the TV spot where Kalnacca and Torbin fight. In that it looks like Kalnacca eyes are black. You cant see Torbin's eyes.
@GenerationTech That's huge. And knowing later that visions haunted torbin and kelnacca for the rest of their lives makes it worse.
I fully expect another flashback scene from Mae’s perspective.
my thoughts exactly
I don’t think Mae knows what truly happened. She seemed shocked and asked Osha “what did you do?” - I think we’ll have to wait till the end of the show for the reveal.
I'm thinking two at least, one from Mae's perspective, one from the Jedi.
If Mae is alive then I’d agree. But if Mae is actually dead then we’d be getting a montage that puts it all together including stuff we never saw like how osha began perpetrating around as her sister. Like what happened in fight club with Brad Pitt and Ed Norton. Leslye did tell the cast to watch fight club. 👀
Given this show is supposedly taking the 'Rashomon' (arthouse for 'non-linear') story-telling, I can guarantee there will be another flashback episode. Which will mean this show will have wasted 25% of the season on flashbacks instead of the actual present-day story.
This sort of story telling just doesn't work well for Star Wars imo. The fact the show makes the people involved unlikable and the coven as obvious bad guys while trying to claim 'the Jedi are in the wrong' just makes the flashbacks seem unnecessary at best, actively harmful to the plot at worst (before episode 3 we could at least pretend the Jedi might be in the wrong. After showing what the coven was like... yeah no, Jedi good, power obsessed darksiders bad, this is the High Republic, purge the Sith wannabes.)
Palpatine would love the discussions about the Acolyte.
I can see him sitting on the throne with his phone, scrolling through TH-cam comments, saying "Good, good."
absolutely
@@MudflapNichols I can see him singling out the most hateful, too, then saying this: "Good. I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Would be interesting if Darth Plagueis turns out to be involved somehow... on his quest for force-related knowledge to gain immortality (he certainly didn't just come into being with that knowledge in hand; he'd have to have gone around looking for it first)... the red lightsaber-wielding mystery-person doesn't even have to be him; could be a pre-Palpatine apprentice or just a high-ranking member/operative of the cult that followed him. (I think they were called the Sith Eternal?) 🤔
Couldn't have said it better. They want to create discussion but there won't be a clear answer ant the end of the season.
My impression from watching the end of episode 3 is that we were definitely not getting to see the entire story. A lot of interesting ideas in this video. Good stuff!
Yeah really hit the unreliable narrator stuff for me.
Yea Mae threatening to kill her sister out of nowhere was definitely interesting. And the whitch chant sounded so good and their hyena laughing was memorizing
I didn't see the quotes from Leslye Headland until two days after I saw the episode, but Rashomon came to mind even while I was watching the fire scene.
the guy with the red lightsaber killed the people sabotaged the generator, all with the intention of taking Mae who he'd likely already been influencing
I think one of the witches broke bad leading the Jedi into a conflict that results in explosions and the big fire. The conflict escalates and ultimately ends he Jedi kill all the witches. They then mind wipe Osha and justify it as trying to save her. I think the guilt is why Torbin says Forgive me.
That would paint the jedi as innocent and that is not the agenda of this show.
I think the problem was the Jedi were going to take the girls without the parents permission. In their mind they thought they were saving two kids from dark side witches. So like torn in said they “ thought they were doing the right thing. “ when instead they slaughtered a bunch of people who were trying to protect the children in their group. I doubt it will happen but would love it if osha finds out the truth at the end ,finishes Mae’s work and she ends up the acolyte.
Entirely possible. I would think he was probably there to learn about how the witches created life through the Force, if anything.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord It wouldn't necessarily make them innocent, and I don't know if we know of any "agenda" the show has, but the show runner is a big fan of KOTOR, and KOTOR II doesn't make the Jedi look great.
Clothes on a wookie is probably the single most unsettling thing about the Acolyte.
#bringbacknakedwookies
YES! That's what it is, HA!
@@GenerationTech Master Kelnacca was just demonstrating that Wookiees are really just sentient fur.
It does add weight to the theory put fwd by Robot Chicken: That Chewbacca is a big naked naturist who likes Han enough to put it all on display.
... i wonder if they shed?
Yea I know their was endless bitch pissing a moaning about women this brown people that. But seeing a Wookiee Jedia robs was 100% the most out of place thing.
Great analysis. This is so much better than the hate/rage posting out there. Thank you!
Two more things are, that Mae gets to the tree in the end because she knows that if Osha is missing, she has to look there. And she looks extremely distressed when Osha is not there, so its unlikely she really wanted to kill Osha, at least not in any way that is beyond some strong childish emotions like everyone of us has.
The second thing with Torbin is, that its actually terrifying in how quickly it happens. And there is no warning sign, no chanting, words, spell or even gestures. He just in a second completely disembodies and falls on his knees in a posture that looks weirdly like a trance of even like he is worshipping something or someone. And the way he snaps out of it suggests that he completely blanked in those moments and maybe wasn't even concious. And as far as we can tell, the Jedi felt nothing during it, they had no warning from the force either.
The ending was purposefully written & shot to obfuscate what actually happened. It’s peak unreliable narrator stuff. Osha knows her sister started a fire & saw her extended family dead amidst the smoke & flame. Being a child & not a CSI it’s easy for her to jump to conclusions.
Yeah, she was also terrified and in the moment and definitely wouldn’t have been thinking. But also Mae literally said to Osha that she was gonna kill her. But yeah we are gonna find something out here.
I think peoples issue is that the obfuscation makes it look stupid instead of just misleading.
What does the abbreviation CSI mean?
@@TheDarkLasombra That isn't an issue. It was obviously not the entire story, so it shouldn't matter that something that didn't happen "looks stupid." People just like to think when it comes to media, especially Star Wars. Anytime they're expected to infer something they call it bad writing.
@@thewatcher7940 I’m not saying it was badly written. My first blush impression was that the paving felt slow, but a subsequent rewatch has changed my opinion there.
We're seeing it through the lens of a child's eyes at this moment of time, and over 16 years her perspective on that moment probably got warped, which happens with a lot of people that go through trauma
Maybe Osha started started the big fire when she shorted out that hatch? Or maybe that access tunnel held pure oxygen and she accidentally lit up the whole system? Or maybe that castle was just made out of really flammable stone? The point is, Osha is showing everyone why you need some kind of agency that enforces health and safety!
I like that not everything speaks basic. Other languages aeen't used enough in other productions.
So far, this show is mid. It’s not great, but it’s not as bad as people are saying. Andor was great the whole way through. Huge difference.
Not going to lie I kept hearing "Space Cream" not "Spice Cream"
I took most of the episode to from OSHA’s perspective, any parts that don’t include her are how she rationalized the events based on what she saw in the aftermath. We’ll get other perspectives as the series progresses.
Torbin looks like a really young padawan in this episode and it was 6 years later that he took that oath. Which basically means he went from padawan to master in 6 years which is quite impressive. I hope we see a little bit more of his path.
16 years actually
@@GenerationTech unless he somehow became master while in his 10yr Barash Vow silence/meditation (as indicated in ep2), it was some time in the 6yrs after the ep3 events & him taking the vow… actually 🥴
@@dkarras yeah exactly what I meant I don't think he would have been granted the rank of master during his oath. But still could be a possibility tho.
You should correct your post from 6 to 16
@@DonGivani no 6 years is correct, it was the time frame where he was a active jedi
I think the Jedi were in the area to pick up Osha so they were able to sense she was in danger when the fire started so they showed up to investigate. It possible the fire caused by Mae and the explosions are unrelated. Koral probably caused the explosions to rile up the coven to attack the Jedi, and when they arrived, I think they mind controlled Torban to attack the other Jedi which is how he got the scar. I think the reason Torban felt guilty is that from his perspective, as a padawan, they were there to help people, but their interference resulted in the death of an entire group of people. I think this would cause anyone with a conscious to feel guilty.
Yeah, for me Koril is the prime suspect for the explosions. It looks like she's going into the machine room in the background of an earlier scene. We might get more of a focus on that later.
Yeah. I don’t agree with the speculation that she’s the sith lord, but it’s very possible she started the fire, and that a combination of factors led to everyone dying.
Lesley mention in a Hollywood Trade mag (back in March) that she was planning to use the Rashomon effect for this series. So this should have been anticipated.
ah interesting thanks for the update
@@GenerationTech Hollywood reporter BY BRIAN DAVIDS MARCH 19, 2024 10:09AM "The writer-producer says the series, set 100 years before 'The Phantom Menace' will have a 'Rashomon'-like quality to its storytelling." I suspect we will see this episode re-told from the Jedi point of view and again from Mae's point of view.
@@CATDRL2maybe she should learn how to write that type style first before doing it because that still doesn't exuse how bad this is.
I missed that POV myself until EP3, but that dosent make some writing, action, dialogue or acting any better.
Most people don't even know what Rashomon is unfortunately
I'm a simple man. I see a new Allen video. I watch video.
Yes
Agreed 100% I love to have my views channeled and given new data to improve my knowledge of the world I live in.
Facts I 1000% agree
holy crap i forgot about "spice"
Perhaps they are so yummy, they are as addictive as Spice. So they call them Spice Creams.
The witch coven are actually reject bene gesserite, that traveled a wormhole that brought them to the star wars. The spice must flow
@@arkdoesstuff7362 works for me.
From what I remember, Glitterstim, the main "spice" in Star Wars isn't necessarily all that harmful even if it is a drug, but it also straight up gives you ESP... Which is not unlike spice in Dune.
Really not dodging the allegations that Star Wars is derived from Dune with that one.
As Book of Bobba Fett went off the rails, I kept waiting for it to pop back on and all the weirdness would come in to focus. It did not. That's why it was disappointing.
i think bobf was sort of a comedy. there are actually a lot of funny moments if you notice them. recreating the scene from that 'the office' gag like, verbatim, at the very start of the show set the tone; this is funny and it knows its funny. 'LIKE A BANTHA'. danny trejo talking about the rancor. thundercat chop shop. oh wait its the Mando Show now. and some of the action shots are just so over-the-top and melodramatic. The pink twilek guy was hilarious. the edgy wooky made me laugh a few times. im telling you, rewatch it and be willing to let yourself laugh WITH it. Star Wars has always had funny moments and i think BoBF was just pretty cavalier about it.
Thank you for yet another brilliant video! I’m so excited to see where this all goes.
Problem here is, you're about the only one giving a legitimate unbiased review. The rest of the reviews (the most popular, unfortunately) I see are hate reviews. No critical thinking required. Thank you for being the exception.
Calling out garbage isn't "hate," and the show is hot garbage.
@@CedarHunt What, so far, has made it hot garbage?
@@CedarHuntComments like this are exactly what Allen is talking about when he mentions reasonable people being caught in the crossfire online. All this person did was explain how things are, they weren't sharing their own opinions about it
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685lol the guy never attacked OP, he attacked the show, it’s sad how little critical thinking you can have to conflate the two
@@z1510r Terrible writing. Boring action scenes. Laughably bad dialog. Wooden acting. The story makes no sense. The premise actively contradicts the real lore of the franchise. Shall I go on?
I'm still firmly in the camp of, this is the result of lazy writing and idiotic directing rather than great mystery writing. I feel like even if you're right and all the many inconsistencies are deliberate it'll turn into one of those convoluted messes that keeps telling you how amazing and twisty it is while being nonsense
Yeah, the show's giving off the 'oh look how smrt I am!' M. Night Shamalamadingdong vibes right now, with the lazy writing plus writers not knowing the Star Wars universe at all. Jedi would not tolerate the existence of a darkside cult [their rhetoric/attitude toward the Jedi might as well say 'we're bargain-bin Sith!' in neon letters], the fact the coven's solution of 'let's just have the children lie to the Jedi instead of killing them using our Thread powers!' (despite one of the witches SUGGESTING just that), the fact the Jedi are so passive after Torbin is straight-up violated with Force powers, the Force only coming into play when it seems convenient for the story...
It's lazy/poor writing that feels like it's written by middle schoolers. And that's depressing as hell.
agreed!!
Nah so far the only plot twist so far was the identity of the “sith” and it was well set up.
It kind of shocks me that people will call the abrupt ending 'bad writing'. If we get an ending with strange circumstances and unusual moments, we shouldn't jump to conclusions and use it as a criticism. It's an indication to take a step back and wonder what else could be going on.
If the show continued on as normal, with this ending playing out exactly as we see it, that would be the time to criticize it. But I guess some people might be a bit to excited sometimes.
I feel like this is the only star wars channel that hasn't lost its way and fallen to the dark side. Keep up the good work my dude
For sure... I'm spending a lot of time asking TH-cam to never recommend several other creators to me over their toxic reactions. So happy to see GT maintaining perspective.
I like where you are going with this. I'm disappointed that so many people are rushing to judge this series after only a couple of episodes. I've enjoyed the series. Like you, I think are some much deeper things going on. I can't wait for the next episode to see what is next.
I don't rule out the possibility of recovery, but we're pretty far in for holding out hope. They pretty much told us the show was going to be terrible.
I've been critical of Star Wars at times, but I really don't understand all the hate here. When I see something that doesn't line up with lore, I don't immediately think they screwed up, I think there must be something else going on that I don't know about yet.
So many often lack the ability to acknowledge the big picture yet because it hasn't been shown to them. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist 💖
Enjoying the show. Willing to wait till the end! I enjoy your analysis! Keep it up!
Everything in Star Wars has always been from a certain point of view, and again thank you for not being a little bitch about this show Alan and for embracing it for what it is
💯
It’s literally destroyed the lore 😂 cope harder please
@@ryder9401can you at least explain how it destroyed the lore instead of puppeting what other people tell you?
@matttale7918 I'm sure Ryder is very concerned that Rey and Kylo remain the only canonical force dyad, retaining the special nature of that relationship.
@@matttale7918 witches made twins by using the force lol that lore accurate to you? are you even a sw fan? how about you explain how this show is not lore destroying, what's the point of the witches whole "power of 1,2,many" scene? let see you try to explain yourself bot
Thank you for examining this with an even hand and not joining in the toxic discourse. I'm reserving judgement till the end as my guess from the beginning has been that the storytelling is intentionally misleading. Keep at it dude.
Will watch after work, but just HAVE TO SAY NOW: AMAZING THUMBNAIL 😂😂😂😂
The thing about Torbin is that he was only a Padawan. Current time is 16 years later, but he's been in meditation for over 10. So a lot happens to him in 6 years
Honestly them being the same actor just seems easier. Seems like it would be much harder to find twin actors that look similar and already also good at acting.
This is why I like Alan’s content. I don’t always agree with him, but he always gives a rational and balanced perspective.
Very good and insightful content as always. Those subs that left will not be missed. A lot more better will come.
Thank you for keeping a balanced perspective, The Fandom Menace seems to be in full force at the moment, hating the show for clicks...
As the ending was unfolding, I was definitely getting a "from a certain point of view" vibe, I think you've articulated very well here.
Osha was packing her bags, I didn't second guess Sol's closeness thinking he might have been there to collect her anyway.
My current thoughts are:
• Koril and some witches confronted the Jedi to orevent Osha leaving.
• The Jedi confronted the witches about the twins, foreshadowed by "if the Jedi learn *how* you made them"
• Darth Smiles has been drawn here early, like the Jedi were, and was manipulating events (Mae even?) behind the scenes, culminating in this moment.
I love that we dont have all the answers, and I am so very keen to see the next episode when I get home tonight.
You’ve become the best Star Wars TH-camr since Andor bruh and continue to prove it with your Acolyte coverage 🙏🔥
I'm enjoying him and EckhartsLadder.
Very good analysis. I've always felt there was another force influencing the events. We definitely will be given more in future episodes. We cannot wait to see how this all unfolds.
It's a POV story, aka Rashomon
Appreciate your efforts!
Thank you Alan for your work
thankyou for the summary and sharing your thoughts --Im waiting for each episode to see the story build
Alan, I appreciate your open-mindedness over the years. I am not surprised that small minded people complain. What has always surprised me is that some people will listen to small minded people complain.
I really appreciate your calm, level headed demeanour in your videos. Thank you for your well thought out discourse!
You’re killing these Acolyte content vids man! I thought it was obvious that they were going to come back and show what really happened that night. The hate from “real Star Wars fans” is weird to me. I’m enjoying this show. A new, fresh story.
Agree with a lot of your observations. Will also point that this isn’t the first time Star Wars has used the “Rashomon” technique.
Im so happy to see someone not trash talking the show off culture war and what the cast or directors have said. The show itself is very much george lucas star wars inspired so far
Always truly appreciate the thoughtfulness of your content even though I don’t always agree with some of your philosophy, more on real life (though mostly I do) than Star Wars, but that’s the cool thing, we don’t have to agree to appreciate different perspectives on life and art. Thank you!
Mae's eyes were black in that early day dream of Osha's. Her mother probably possessed her to act that way.
good call
@@GenerationTech Ever watch The Passage 2019? Star Trek Discovery? I am seeing a pattern here with black female leads, they give them an Asian mentor - which is actually what we see in Africa with BRCIS and China partnering with Africa
@@GenerationTechhow is that a good call why would the mother do attempted murder on her daughter? This is your problem dude you don't think you just accept everything at face value.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord it’s a one sentence response to a TH-cam comment💀
Yes, and also Mae wasn’t angry at Osha when she saw her on the bridge. She asked Osha “what did you do?”
Thanks for a thoughtful analysis of the episode. Much appreciated.
I think they are going for a rashomon type thing but i don't think they pulled it off skillfully enough. For instance in the flashback we have too much info of scenes that osha never saw or heard for it to be just her pov. That said there is obviously info we don't have about what the jedi did and how the witches died. My initial thought was that the witches poisoned themselves in a cult way. Not sure what the jedi were doing...maybe they were sabotaging the generator thing and got caught?
I think that the hate filled "fans" constant unreasonable screeching is what is ruining things.
I agree with 90% it does look like they poisoned themselves, I think the Jedi messed with things but I disagree when it comes to Osha. I think it is a flashback of what she thinks happened after Sol told her what went down and she made it cannon in her mind
@GenerationTech As someone who requested that you examine the craft of Kurosawa and the i influence of Roshoman, thank you for this video. Enjoyed it, and am looking forward to unraveling this mystery with you. Keep up the good work!
What probably happened is that Sol sensed Osha was in trouble, and when the Jedi showed up a fight broke out, with the witches being super aggressive and the Jedi acting quickly to take the witches out because of the previous possession. The witches are the aggressors in this whole situation, and the Jedi seemed like the reasonable ones.
And Osha agreed to take the test, which includes taking the blood sample, so she does, indeed consent to him taking her blood.
Nice to see a balanced perspective with some patience. Couldn't agree more, another really great watch, thanks!
I'm surprised at how much outrage there is about the plot inconsistencies in Episode 3 when Leslye Headland quite unambiguously said three months ago that the series was heavily influenced by Rashomon. (Then again, I wasn't aware of those quotes about Rashomon until yesterday.)
Most people (myself included) have no idea what Rashomon is. I just learned about it today.
When I first saw the trailer for The Acolyte, I got interested because of the era it was taking place in.
Now I'm excited to see how this murder mystery plays out.
I think Koril had a role in the demise of her coven and I wouldn't be surprised if she survived and is Mae's ,Master.
A lot can happen in that 16 year gap.
As far as the reviews for the show. I'm ignoring them. They haven't seen the whole show so any negative review is a moot point.
It's trendy to hate on Star Wars. Which is hilarious to me. You're upset about a piece of entertainment that nobody is forcing you to watch.
Yeah it has been hilarious how many folks on Reddit took the episode at face value this is an 8 part mystery does Angela Lansbury solve the murder at the 20 min mark of an hour episode? Osha saw things, was fed bs from the Jedi and who knows maybe the Jedi went so far as implanted memories
I hope you're right and there's something deeper here.
You are the best star wars channel.
You always have a fair and honest analysis based on facts. Compared to the rest of the other channels out there, which are more focused on the provocation and reaction to obtain more viewers. Keep up your good reviews !
well fire is super effective against witches
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Once again, Allen proves to be the voice of reason when it comes to digesting and reviewing content.
As a lifeling fan of this franchise (I'm 28) and as someone that has been bitten in the arse several times in my life due to lack of patience, it's important to view something in it's entirety before passing judgement.
There are tons of plot holes that seem deliberate in episode 3. Many things aren't matching up. It brings many aspects of previous lore into question, and I am honestly intrigued.
I'm hoping this and future Star Wars projects end up like Andor. Providing the same level of storytelling, understanding of the source material, clever writing and world building. Andor also featured strong characters, story and philosophy all the while maintaining diversity. The characters all felt like real people. I think everything comes down to good writing, and an engaging story.
If anything, Disney should give their directors and writers a FAR larger window to write, develop amd film these movies and shows. Give them more time to sit on the story and cook up something phenomenal.
Anyways, thanks for your videos Allen! Keep em coming!
Thanks for being the voice of reason my dude!
Torbin, Telnacca and Sol being padawan at the time makes me wonder how they [all relatively young] managed to reach Jedi Master in only 16 years from being Padawan.
Edit: Torbin is the only padawan of the group, but even the promotion from Knight to Master in 16 years during an era of 'peace' is still suspicious and may have been a reward for cooperation and remaining silent under Master Indara.
Maybe it's to show that even unworthy Jedi are given the title of master because of how corrupt they are?
The requirements were likely different during the High Republic as opposed to the Clone Wars. I also don’t think Sol is a padawan since he asked Osha to be his padawan.
Maybe I need to rewatch, but I thought just Torbin was referenced as a padawan. Assuming Sol and Telnacca are knights at this time. Torbin might be right at the end of his training too. Though it's still a pretty quick set of promotion, maybe as referenced above its part of the corruption. Stay quiet and you all get to be masters.
I could maybe see them getting promoted as part of the coverup, otherwise they wouldn't get to be masters that quickly.
As the Order is in dominant, stale, and complacent position, you don't get promoted to master quickly, and for most Jedi, the only way to get there at all is going by the book and not rocking the boat. You might get to master quickly by playing a role in some important, heroic operation(or a coverup), but those will be very few and far between.
Do we actually know Telnaccas age and "service record"? Because if i remember correctly Wookies can reach several hundred years, so he might be more experienced than the rest of them and more deserving for the role. Not that i disagree with Torbin or Sol, they had a real fast track to masterhood, no doubt.
Thank you for your balanced and intelligent commentary- very refreshing, especially in these polarised times. Next time you’re in the UK I owe you a pint😎
Why do these haters watch it if they hate it so much?
They don’t watch it. They just make click bait articles. I’ve had around 6 videos pop up in my feed about “lesbian witches” when that’s not really relevant to the story.
Sometimes it soothing to feed your hate. The world is a difficult place and people need displace their anger from life, work &family. It’s much bigger than just this one little show. Social media just bought all that dissatisfaction to the surface and poured jet fuel on it
Because they have way too much free time and this is all they have to look forward too. Others are just really opinionated and keep watching with the expectation that they'll be validated so they can complain online for internet fame and/or to appear like the smartest person in the room.
Because when life gives you lemons, you might as well makes some lemonade.🍋🍸
I appreciate the way you analyze and present the content. Stay the route! I agree w/ you. NOTE: Timing events from movies is of no use. That is story telling and so events do not have to translate into real time measurements.
Intentionally misleading leading you say? Star Wars plot twist you say? No! Couldn’t be.
I am so hopeful for this series. I think it will have some solid rewatchability.
“Well, then you are lost!” - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Thank you Alan for being a voice of reason in a sea of complete madness. I was 14 when the original "Star Wars" was released and have watched all the movies, all the animated series, all the shows and for the life of me can't understand all the massive hate directed at the series.
if you're tuned out from the drama, than your count yourself lucky. I only found out about this when i posted a basic video of the acolyte and was bombarded with so many over the top reactions. Than I went down the rabbit hole... its an entire industry of generating clicks. Anyway mustve been epic to be a teenager to see the original star wars, especially back when there wasn't much competition. I imagine it was life changing. Kind of jealous
@@GenerationTech Yeah, claiming that it's 'an entire industry of generating clicks' is disingenuous tripe and you should know better.
You can ponder and theorize about the direction of the show all you like, but the simple fact is the Acolyte is _objectively a bad show, both for Star Wars and as a show in general._ I highly doubt this will end up another Andor sleeper hit.
7:04 - OBJECTION! Seven Samauri was covered 3 times. The first was the Roy Thomas and Howard Chaykin remix in the old Marvel comic "8 For Aduba" back in '78.
It was always burning since the world’s been turning
Ryan started the fire.............................
Allen, brother, I really enjoy your balanced, logical, level headed analysis.
You my friend, are a rare individual.
Keep up the GREAT work.
"Now with the culture wars, everything is broken" sad but so very true. I am enjoying the show and am intrigued by what actually happened.
Thanks for being a voice of reason and patience. I, for one, like the show.
The issue with how people consume their media nowadays is that they treat TV shows like movies. If their questions aren't all answered by episode two, then that means the writing is bad and the show is terrible. Nobody allows themselves to be confused, they don't want to wait, they want all of the answers and they want them now. I myself have done that in the past with some shows, and it's a problem. TV and episodic storytelling is not meant to be consumed or treated like movies.
I get your point but in all honesty this is just a reflection on the audiences lack of faith in the writers to do anything intentionally or respecting lore.
@@leonardobroza6298 See I would get that if this show was made by Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, M. Night Shyamalan, Michael Bay, or other Directors and Writers who have a historically bad track record. But this isn't any of them. This is someone new, who hasn't worked on Star Wars before, and has no reputation. The only reputation is that of Disney, and while I don't like Disney anymore than I did 10 years ago, I'm not gonna have no faith in this Director just because of the parent company.
I have become so impressed with your videos! Thank you for at least being an example of how joyful different perspectives can be debated without creating drama and personal attacks. We live in such a divisive society. Hurts my heart and terrified me for my children's future... God bless my friend!
I’ll be honest, I never liked this episode one bit. However, it showcases a good reason why the Jedi code was put out for force wielders
Most fans of the show gonna ignore this comment. But where are you wrong?
@@Infamous1892 Think about it, you have all that power literally on your fingertips. Of course you’re gonna do something evil if you don’t keep yourself in check. The code keeps em civilized.
Thank you for being civilized and respectful unlike a lot of other people in this comment section.
Well said Alan, as usual your insight is spot on 👍🤙
i think we will likely have a flash back from mea's perspective, where im guessing we will see the jedi starting a fire as well, although maybe its only a couple of the jedi did it and some (sol) didnt know about it
or at least what seems like the jedi setting the fire, or perhaps torbin possesed starting the fire
@@GenerationTech Or perhaps what we dont see isnt a fire at all. Jedi just tell Osha it was a fire because she knows about it.
Thank you for being a voice of reason.
You get a like cause you have well thought out videos but I don’t think I can agree really about episode 3. Now that’s not to say it all wasn’t intentional because it very well could be but another chosen one well 2 seems sloppy and just points to how fanatical force users in general can be … does every force group get there own chosen one ? Was anakin the jedis and we have yet to see the sighs and these 2 are the witches chosen one or ones … is everyone now suddenly the chosen one like video games used to do … we open the story with you the chosen one this nameless holy prophesied warrior of something ?
In either case we don’t have enough information and I do think they did purposely withhold and splinter the narration so to speak. Also good ole one eye was still a teen by the look of him and in only 16 years was it 10 of which he was a mute he became a master somehow. That feels really rushed and hasty … 6 years to go from padawan to knight to master cause let’s bare in mind the 10 years of meditation he wasn’t trying to rank up in the Jedi army unless they were like you know what he been napping for like 6-8 years now why not he a master yeahhhh he won’t even know it and we can cast his vote however we want right am I right free plus one vote for whatever we wantttttt ….. also another question I have is where is kids in all of this too set 100 years before the prequels ok so then yoda is like what 700 years old say 500 even is he a complete nobody ? There are a lot of things not adding up … I mean sure they could be doing the justice league thing but I dunno really I smell something fishy somewhere
For those who disagree with the 2 mothers, I agree with you but it’s Star Wars you know it’s gonna a be there you just have to look past it. There is nothing you can do about it just ignore it basically
Alan's insights are something that can't be taught by the Jedi
After Osha wakes up with the Jedi at the end, Thorbin is in the background with the injury to his face, go back and check it out.
Yeah just further proof why I don’t care to watch this show.
As I said before, I have no issue with the ideas presented in this episode. I also have no problem with the "unreliable/misguided narrator" trope. The 2019 Joker movie pulled this off amazingly. My issue still remains the pacing. Simply put, it felt jarring to have a 40 minute flashback episode slapped right in the middle of a space crime thriller. I feel like we should have gotten bits and pieces of this flashback sprinkled throughout several episodes to help give context to things happening in the story and deepen the mystery.
this show has shown me that stone burns good
That Star Wars Fire doesn't play. It can stay lit in space and burn through stone!😅
Some types of stone are flammable
@@onnimannimaki8846don't build your castle from flammable stone, you'll have a bad time
@@onnimannimaki8846yes let's have open flames in are extremely flammable castle that we actually don't need because this is space and we have and infinite electrical generator under a our base.
´´Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who findi it´´ - Voltaire. I think the truth is the core of this show but the problem is that truth not always brings peace to the soul.
Honestly the whole Rashomon lite twist is super obvious and the whole show just is starting to feel like it thinks I'm really stupid.
Andor never acted like I'm stupid and I appreciate that.
Nolan, TV shows can't act and don't care about your self image brother. But you should Hit Tony Gilroy up on socials and let him know you appreciate Andor, it is a Great show!
I definitely think (and thought at the time) that the whole scene showing the witches dead was suspicious. None of them are burned so it can’t be that a fire swept through. Mae could have done something using that whole “power of many” thing they talked about. Like maybe it gave her the ability to steal their life force or something.
It’s also possibly Mother Koril’s doing, and I don’t remember seeing her among the dead like we did Aniseya. She may have survived or she may have saved Mae OR told her what to do.
Or it could have been something where the Jedi where provoked into fighting.
Many possibilities.
But you also got me thinking about something. Is it possible that “Mae” IS Osha (or vice versa) and tgst thry e always been the same person but one is some sort of Force projection? Could we have a weird Fight Club situation here?
What Samurai is Threatening Your Life to have You say These Things Sir.
To me the ending was 100% in service of keeping us within the information that OSHA is aware of.
The plot of this series is a crime thriller so it would make no sense to show us too much. Granted you can levy the criticism that they should structure these bits of information better
That opening bit about the culture war was spot on. Only way to win that "war" is to not fight in it.
Apathy is dangerous tho
Idk what’s culture war about having stories that revolve around people not male and/or white. What war? The war against bland chicken and flat asses ?
@@TF-vb9usJust funny how diversity and representation means white males had their time in the sun already so we should just shrivel away or be seen as pathetic is all.
@@GenerationTech Oh absolutely, I don't deny that, but I'd rather fight to fix an actual problem in the world than the writing of a fictional franchise. I use to be way too invested in this stuff and it made me a miserable asshole that no one wanted to be around or talk too. I guess what I'm saying is that I'd rather people invest this energy they have towards fixing Star Wars towards an actual problem, like companies violating workers rights or corruption in their nation's government, or just smaller things like volunteer work. I like Star Wars, but it's not worth investing as much energy into it as the Culture War people do. At the end of the day, a bad Star Wars show isn't a big problem. I'm also not saying people shouldn't have opinions about the franchise, just that people need to keep things in perspective when watching it. Sorry for the rant.
Thank you, thank you, and thank you for being a voice of reason with this show!