The reason I maintain a position that GOD may exist, is that we are ultimately limited in our conceptions of how everything fits together. We are bound by the limitations of survival, as dictated by evolutionary necessity. Perhaps the universe is an operating system on a computer (lets use that analogy) and our operating system GOD, or unified physics along with other unknowns, adds up to a super consciousness. We can call it whatever we want, but at the end of the day we will always be testing the universe, observing and discovering something odd or mysterious. Emotionally, this is the relationship I am having with the universe I suppose. I guess it's "complicated" as is usually posted the FB or social media world.
I agree with you, i feel robert is respectfully missing the bigger picture. I feel as humans we know God to be true as well as mystery our way through this universe probably among the many he provided with science. Religion does change, it should change, individually. Certain people follow really archaic beliefs like you’ll burn in eternity to encourage them to be good and such but really individually you should choose to not take a chance at being at truly evil person. And when u die you’ll find about stuff probably meet the guy
But is God existing enough for you? You also want the easy lazy life that comes with God? Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies? That is the God you want, right? Your ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort?
@@rckflmg94 I feel we as humans know God to be true meaning the majority of people believe there is an unseen meaning, creator or simply force that is not on the same level of existence than us be it maybe only because of the sheer force of mass belief in such an entity, not saying it has to be the God so many religions have tried to describe
@@pabloespinosa1246 yes, there could be a deity that created this universe (and others?) but doesn't interfere in any way with the laws and constants of physics. This a popular conception of "God" by many Enlightenment thinkers in the 18th century.
If you don't believe that he's intervening right now but still letting you breathe with mercy and Grace ,and to even intervene on people to soften hearts, if you choose to listen, or you can choose to close off your ear and harden your heart.
No evidence for your assertions, your statements are also indicative of self reinforcing delusions, the most primitive and childish cognitive errors a person can make.
The silliness of this video is amazing. How do you evaluate a claim on the basis of its utility instead of its objectivity. Who cares wether you find the concept useful or not, the question is “is it true” ? More progress would be made if we stick to debate where the theist can put forward arguments for theism and atheist can attempt a refutation. All he said in this video was his subjective and personal reasons for not being a theist. Who cares about that? Lets stick to objectivity.
Well, if you want objectivity, not much debate is needed, there is no proof of the existence of a god and there is no proof of the contrary. The guy is simply giving his opinion on the subject and that's all anyone can do anyway.
You listen to prayers and double-check who skipped them. At the same time, you monitor women who don't cover their hair, and you decide if someone should find a parking space quickly or another one should keep suffering as a child refugee, etc.
I suppose I agree with that as a matter of intellectual freedom, but it doesn't answer where matter came from, nor where the astonishing complexity of living organisms arose.
@@user-gk9lg5sp4y A russian rocket scientist once said to me that the energy has allways existed it had to because you cant get something from nothing. It was in response to me asking in regard to the first law of thermodynamics that energy is niether created or destroyed. I thought it a good answer though I am a theist
*"The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you." Something being unnecessary does not speak to whether it exists or doesn't exist, be it a God or anything else.*
golden63, no disrespect to you, and although what you said might sound good to most folks, it is incorrect. The Universe is Governed by the laws of Physics which necessitate that everything which exists exist, and which does not not, like Suat Ustel said "The Anthropic Principle". In other words, diametrically opposed to what you said, if something exists is due to it being necessary, and if if does not, unnecessary.
@@newmankidman5763 my problem this necessary being its essence and this necessary being is an Ex-Gratia how does it amount wither down to a single unity(nothing can create itself including Gods) you theologians conflate its essence and existence contomporeneasly this is impossible as Sarte quieted existence preceded essence if universe come to the fore 13.7 billions years ago its bears out is a thought process, my point is if universe exist , it must have been existing as steady state, God cannot at a whim some point thorough out existence just to say let there be light space and galaxies and earth and humans his doesn't bode with his eternity......
@@newmankidman5763 well have to be sceptic simply don't wanna be disrespectful other idealogies second even supreme being might exist, he might not be a paragon of virtue, his ulterior motives overrides virtues like benevolence mercy magniluquence justice etc.
I am not religious at all, but I do explore philosophy and religion in a philosophical sense. This videos seems to go like this. Host: Religious arguments. Guest: But I don't like it x 1000 times. Problems run deeper than this. Most of human issues are human condition and religion gets swept into that. I am not saying that religion doesn't have bad sides, but we had wars for many other reasons and not only god. People will fight over any ideology as long as they are weak enough they will follow that bloodshed. My view at least.
That's what I've been telling people who keep on saying that ALL Wars are caused by religion When in fact it is actually more of economics, trade Wars , political Wars , territorial Wars. Religious war is just an excuse …
@@dongshengdi773 it's not that "god" is either "good" or "bad". It's non-existent and therefore this explains why "god" has never interceded to save people with "miracles" and supernatural power.
Amazing - do your not see a King/Dictator/a Putin in the Christian/Islamic God? Is it too hard to figure out that the ancients that lived under Kings/Dictators made God in their image? "We must get down on our knees, swear loyalty(belief) & obedience, obey only this master and no other, beg for his mercy, hope he is pleased & GIVE us a reward(heaven)" Simple, primitive ideas of God that even the best of minds seem to blindly follow
Under the effect of our pride we have created transcendency. Feeling God in my heart I try to live like animals do,naturally, no superiority, no race discrimination and above all no war! P.S. I am omnivorous.
@@micheldisclafani2343 But you do look away when your religion preaches Nazi ideas OPENLY! Billions of Hindus, Buddhists & Atheists will be set apart based on belief alone and will be condemned to gas chambers in hell! We are talking old people, children, even babies? pregnant women & innocent others being sent to a brutal fate all because of their beliefs? The same thing that happened to millions of Innocents under the Nazis simply because they were Jews! There is a Hitler-"God" waiting for us while these creepy Nazis will cheer the Lord? NOT ONE CHRISTIAN HAS EVER EXPRESSED PROBLEMS WITH SUCH IDEAS! NOT ONE!
God is like the love of a mother present even when she is not there! It is a love warm like friendship and makes you never feel alone or lonely.ife,in spite of all theologians,religions or philosopher I am 83 and I keep God in my heart while living my life like animal do. I chose God to be and this is a big plus in my l
That's a perfectly logical approach to the unanswerable question of God's existence: Given that He MAY WELL exist and would be the only plausible source of life after death, there is every reason to want a good relationship with Him, unless you really, REALLY hate Him for some reason IF He exists.
Transcendency is a human creation, we are through our atoms as old as the universe and have lived in all the forms that exist. Eternity and infinit belong to us, when we do not try to understand or explain God.
Very well expressed, God is not exclusive to any religion, just as unconditional love is not exclusive to any mother, God is a spirit and is in each and every person, people may not share same religion or belief but may share same faith.
What should make all religions more honest and more modest is the fact that nobody has ever seen or heard God, but religions pretend in a very dishonest way that they deal with God for any major or minor problem! Love like motherly love is in my opinion a manifestation of God. It should suffice. When we feel God in our heart we become happy and free, because We are no longer alone! Lies and hypocrisy fuel hate and war!
As soon as the guest refused to provide affirmative arguments against the existence of a god, I cut off the interview and found some more entertaining stuff.
"the theory of evolution works so well" ... And something that work so well is up by chance ? Pure randomness (because if your remove an higher consciousness only randomness is still on the table) created evolution by chance ? It's like he start always a step too late, like many materialists anyway...
Evolution involves both Randomness and also design through Consciousness. For Example, an animal wishes to look like a Plant for camouflage , and vice versa , a Plant wishes to look like an insect for camouflage. Evolution of mimicry. it is clearly NOT Random. All of his answers Are wrong because its premise is that religion Does not answer His Questions. most religious people believe that there is No conflict between science and religion because they complement each other . Science answers the how and religion answers the why.
@@dongshengdi773 Please give some examples of this “Why Answers”..! ...I have yet to hear of one.... Ultimately; the only truth is “Scarcity”... ...Belief in this so called Ultimate Consciousness” does change “Scarcity”... ...therefore it is useless..!
"Pure randomness" You do not understand the theory of biological evolution at all. The theory of biological evolution is so surprising and magnificent BECAUSE it shows us many kinds of proof for the fact that evolution is NOT pure random.
@@dongshengdi773 "For Example, an animal wishes to look like a Plant for camouflage , and vice versa , a Plant wishes to look like an insect for camouflage. " No that is not how biological evolution works at all. I can not believe you are saying this. I have a huge problem with how you formulate this. The term "WISHES" is absurd in this context. Have you ever studied evolution? I have an entire library of more than 80 books on the subject. No textbook, or paper will ever say something like that.
@@andreasplosky8516 you are missing it my dear. You have to take a step back... The pure randomness is about the fact that "biological evolution" exist. Why in an universe that for a materialist exist by random chance have to include "biological evolution" ??????? They got it from the box of "create your random universe" ??
Whether you believe in god or not you are equally incapable of understanding the nothingness that you have emerged from as the vastness that you are engulfed in.
Park is very wrong--we are not "even close" to figuring it all out--the more we see, the more questions we have--the bigger the numbers, the greater the mystery.. The scientists keeping growing the universe to keep the "observations" that we already have, in doubt.. Park seems like a nice Man, he appears to be some what rational, yet vacant in his overall philosophy. The facts are, that there is an inexplicable fine tuning in the universe that science cannot explain.. So then they created quantum mechanics which in fact cannot even be explained or proven--then string theory was added to the mix and all that happened was that they philosophically created more dimensions and even MORE questions--and string theory can't be proven--period.. I find the position of the atheists to be nothing more than elitist in nature as they put themselves "above'' the facts--because the facts are, that science CANNOT explain in finality their own propositions--their answer is "we will re-write the books as the facts come in but we will take a firm stance on what we have".. almost laughable to take a firm position without a full explanation/equation and a conclusive final theory.. When pushed for definitive proof, they blame all the problems in the world on GOD instead of talking about all the beauty and the good in life--they don't even consider an either/or approach, they just give a sour note on certain parts of mankind and selective events of history, instead of a full summary.. God/Higher Power to the scientist isn't acceptable if they haven't personally been tapped on the shoulder for a one on one conversation with God and asked for advice.. I appreciate the dialogue but I find the conclusions to be unacceptable.
@@rckflmg94 conversely, there isn't a shred of evidence that string theory or quantum math or anything less than the unexplained math of fine tuning caused everything biological--the more we see, the greater the mystery! you are in NO position through science or math to argue against a Higher Power or a God.
@@rckflmg94 laughable retort--you focus only on the bad not all the good..there is endless majesty on our planet and through out the Universe..Why are there people who suffer or on a grander scheme black holes that eat up galaxies--so what? It's all just part of the the total creation and if it w reason for the creatifirst place..
It is very sad to listen to a old person and a scientist with no wisdom. We can understand from its words that he wanted an utility God, someone to be at his service. To believe that science will solve all our problems when science is the main guilty of destruction of our planet is really ridiculous. All said by a man that worked in science to build weapons.
His argument wasn't particularly well-presented or supported but where did he say science will solve all of our problems? Your argument seems to be a strawman.
Well I was going to comment but the more he said the less intelligent he became. There wasn’t just one thing he said wrong, it was pretty much everything. A decent response to so much nonsense would take too long in this format.
@@dongshengdi773 your question assumes that someone made us. it also assumes that makers must, themselves, be made by a maker, which turns your question back on itself. KEvron
Personally I think God is fundamental. Perhaps I'm making a semantic argument but, whatever is fundamental, by default, is God, no? He makes a good point, the idea of this human-God is there to be abused or to manipulate.
There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, tooth fairy & Santa How is God fundamental? Yet we have no evidence of such a being?
@@futuregenerationz That is the Brahman in Hinduism - but Brahman is unintelligent, not alive! Are you comfortable with such a "being"? There are no magic men, of course, no "Gods" as such though there are Hindu Gods - the Buddha was one
Believe in God helps people find Pease. If you take that away, what will you offer instead? So true or not, God is useful. Rulers always find a way to make wars, with God or without God. God is as big as it fits in your head.
Good lock. do you know why most profits were Sheppard? They learned people act like sheep, even today, cave rules apply to economy and human behavior. You remove god from people, they will find another even worst.
Why do you think nothing can exist, and if it does, how could anything else exist that obviously does? Universe is not empty, it's only a way we see quantum force fields. Idea itself is a nothing, it came from material head and will vanish from existence after a person is gone. So, what is an idea?
@Trevelle Alexander "The universal fact that I cannot get something from nothing" So... by your own admission then, your god could not have created the universe from nothing! Or are you committing the fallacy of special (magical) pleading? There would have to be something there already then? The only thing you have to do now is prove that your invisible god-friend exists. But as we know theism has failed at this forever. It just blabbers fallacies, makes empty promises, and utters vile threats. We are again at an impasse. By the way... how do you know there ever was nothing? Science doesn't know that, and never said so. For all we know there can never be absolute nothing. If you think it over, there ever "being" absolute nothing makes no logical sense at all.
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices one might have to be say 'l don't like you, or your creed or your religion or culture without been demonised. Of course as long as you don't denigrate or insult them publicly...
I would push back on one point. It's the notion religion is the cause of wars. Religion is more like an excuse. It's one amongst many. This includes race, class, nationality, cultural identity, human ego, aggression, economics, geopolitical and resource competition, group identity, ... We live in a largely scientific, secularist age. This has not saved us from wars.
Believing there is no God is no different to Believing we don't actually exist......yet we are here🤔. The concept of what God is and our desire to destroy ourselves isn't the fault of our creator but ourselves.
@@AlejandroFernandez05 If you believe there is no God then you and everything can't exist, everything was created or nothing would exist. The question is who was the creator of everything or did everything create itself?. More people have died over religion than any other cause but who directly told people to kill?, our creators direct words or MEN who claimed to be divine?. Men have done the complete opposite of what most religions teach but claim to act in accordance with their faith?. The transatlantic slave trade is an excellent example of supposedly CHRISTIAN countries and religious institutions (Church of England and the Vatican) willingly participating in acts of evil but they claimed to be subjects of God and the faithful????. The Church of England believes Queen Elizabeth is mankind's direct link to God???......where in any Holy Scriptures is that written?. John 8:32 "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". What is the truth.
@@equinox95 why are you assuming that there has to be a god in order for the universe to exist? If everything has to be created, then god had to be created. If god didn’t have to be created, the same could apply to the universe
@@AlejandroFernandez05 God wasn't created, nothing existed before God, only God itself. We have cars, phones, houses, planes, ships and every manufacturered goods you can think of. If those goods were never designed and made would they still exist?. We have DNA that has a Pacific sequence that results in us or any other living lifeforms that have their own sequence that's results in them. Who designed the DNA or was it random. DNA structure has been compared to computer coding.....who designed the code as code cannot design itself without external input.
Yet never did I hear Jesus Christ say anything about religion, he said that he is the way. So then therefore how aren't those man-made wars? Jesus said about getting close to the time you'll hear of wars and rumors of wars.
There are no copies of the original transcripts. No copies of the copies of the original transcripts. Not even in the original language. Gospels written by unknown authors. Who knows what was actually said?
@@cps_Zen_Run These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out. It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: But the honour of kings is to search out a matter. Proverbs 25:1-2 KJV
@@mikel5582 you know there's Bibles with red letters in them which are the words of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ also spoke my sheep know my voice and they will hear my voice.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC It is not just about gods no more. A modern atheist is convinced that matter is all there is. All you are is a piece of meat with the ability to think. It became prettymuch a ultra right wing idiology.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Just like religion … Yes, every Atheist has his own definition of a god that He Does not believe in. like Buddhists who believe in the existence of life after death , or the existence of a Spirit , like the Atheist Sam Harris who believes in spiritual enlightenment but a Spirit that dies together with the body . like atheists who didn't believe in God because they believed that the universe is infinite or fixed state. But now that Big Bang has been proven , they have changed their definition of god that excludes the initiator of the Big Bang . there are countless more …
@@dongshengdi773 Your logic is tautological. Of course a concept needs to be defined before a person can decide if he thinks it to be true or false. Just to be clear, I'm referring to objective reasoning here, not feelings.
@@fortynine3225 *"A modern atheist is convinced that matter is all there is. All you are is a piece of meat with the ability to think."* ....Isn't that the same way that "old atheists" thought as well? Again, what is the difference?
You guys need to look into dispensations, because there is a first coming ,and a second coming ,the first coming is the suffering servant like Jesus Christ ,and then the second coming ,you would rather be coming with him, than see him coming, unless you're a Jew or endured to the end, and did not take the mark, nor worship the beast or its image.
These two have a very limited understanding of the capacity that God might have. I think they're arguing a very narrow band of low level evangelical belief in which God is a finite entity operating within and infinite universe and the silly notion that man is made in the image of God as a biological creature. True understanding is that God knows everything, is everywhere at once, and has control of everything at once. This implies that God is everything (information), so God is The Infinite. If God is the universe, then that means that we are just small sub entities operating within that framework. So in a manner of speaking we are just a small piece of God as well, in that sense we would be made in Gods image.
Why stop here, we can go much deeper than that. There's that thing called intelligent self awareness, it is like electricity, but not only a force. Once we have this aetherical entity, the spirit itself can make molecules move and design whatever material body it likes. Obviously we're made in God's image, everybody must wear nice and clean clothes in public.
@@rckflmg94 Who said praise God? See you are projecting your own limited understanding of what you think God might mean to me, and in doing so you are assuming that God has to think and feel like you. IMO that's a little narcissistic.
@@travsb1984 instead of accusing me of being "narcissistic" why don't you provide some evidence to support your grandiose claim that "God is the universe" and "God is The Infinite" and "we are a small piece of God" whatever the heck those statements are supposed to mean.
Yes, there is an argument against God. Billions of people think that the almighty God is HERE NOW. But this is impossible. The problem is that God is supposed to KNOW THE ACTUAL FUTURE. You could maybe have some hypothetical futures, but ONLY ONE WILL ACTUALLY COME TRUE. Well, God is supposed to know THAT ONE FUTURE. This seems to be a good thing, but it's exactly the opposite. Since that ONE future known to God is the ACTUAL one, the one that will REALLY come true, (God cannot make any errors), then God must JUST STARE and let IT UNFOLD exactly like it is, NOTHING CAN BE TOUCHED: God could not even slightly change the weather of tomorrow. GOD in other words would be like "BLOCKED". Even worse, God would be obliged to EXACTLY TAKE THE GOD'S ACTIONS included in that known ONE future: also his own actions would be absolutely unchangeable. What is the solution to this problem? When God knew the whole future He simply COMMANDED his power "SO IT SHALL BE (but without me)". That's all. By doing so, God avoided LATER OBLIGATIONS to PERSONALLY and EXACTLY take all the God's actions set out in that WELL-DETERMINED future. Thus, God got immediately free from any further obligations.This means that the God's actions are taken here now by NOBODY, this is why God is meant to be just a "spirit".
I agree 99.9% with everything that guy says except for one thing. The major wars and tyrants of the 20th century were ideological, not "religious" per se. And despite being anti-religious (both Nazi Germany and the USSR), they didn't create more successful societies. On the contrary. Nowadays the relatively more religious part of Germany is much more stable, emphatic and economically and socially strong. The least religious part is....still stuck somewhere between the Reich and the USSR. That being said, this is not a justification for religion per se or that religion is right, no, but to me it shows that despite being mostly a fairy tale, many people need something like religion to hold on to.
(0:35) *RP: "I find God simply to be not a useful concept. It doesn't solve any problems for me."* ... The concept of God absolutely _does_ solve problems! An "Omnipotent Being" represents one of two unsurpassable endpoints on the "closed spectrum of Existence." There is nothing that can be conceived that is greater, wider, larger, or more expansive than the concept of God. That's as far as one can logically conceive. Likewise, Big Bang's "Singularity" serves as the opposite end of the same spectrum. Nothing is lesser, narrower, smaller or more compact than this nondimensional point of infinite gravity and density called "Singularity." *God* and *Singularity* represent the greatest and smallest that consciousness is able to conceive, therefore the concept of God is necessarily inevitable. Without the concept of God (or Singularity), the "closed spectrum of Existence" would not exist.
One cannot in truth be an atheist. The prefix "a" negates "theist" and denotes a complete knowledge - that one knows there is no God. One cannot know that. Here's a simple experiment to prove this: take a piece of paper and place a bubble on it that indicates your personal knowledge in relation to the universe. Most people put a dot, one guy thought he was smart and drew a circle. Now, place a dot anywhere outside your mark which represents knowledge you do not have and the knowledge of God must be included. So unless you possess all knowledge you cannot be certain God does not exist
Knowledge is only what you know, not what you don't know. You started with a wrong premise, by saying to know anything is normal and can be scaled, it is not. The very existence of a useful knowledge and a model leading to understanding is the reason why we understand there's no need for supernatural and divine.
Militantly agnostic here. I don't know and I know that you don't either. The thing that gets me into creator ideas is that there is anything instead of nothing, and the constraints of the universe being bound by precise numerical values, which changing the values breaks the ability of the universe to exist. Looks like a plan. Looks like it went wrong. So not omniscient, or just not caring about what happens? If there is a BIG consciousness, then we are probably a small fragment of that. Just out here doing anything to keep from being driven insane.
*"The thing that gets me into creator ideas is that there is anything instead of nothing..."* ... Why does it have to be an *either/or* situation? Maybe Nonexistence and Existence, Something and Nothing, Positive and Negative, and *0* and *1* are as rudimentary as consciousness allows you to conceive?
The 'something rather than nothing' argument just kicks the can down the road. If the mere presence of something requires a creator then the next obvious question is, what created the creator? I also don't agree that a universe couldn't exist if the physical constants were different than they are as we understand them. It would certainly be different but not necessarily impossible. A question that _is_ interesting (i.m.o.) is 'how did those constants come to be'? I think we'll eventually crack the "matter from non-matter" challenge and we'll do so through our understanding of physical laws, but the question of where those laws came from will remain.
When I said I was agnostic, people thought I still had some gullibility left. I have none. That’s someone who understand the concept of god and has no reason for it.
So when science discoveres more and more, it's very easy to "hijack" it all and say "God is great, look at evolution for example. God did it". There's just no end to the religious claims
God gave you free will so that you could write that. He knew that you'd write that because he knows everything, but you could have written whatever you wanted to; even though he knew what you'd write. Moral of the story: don't try to find logic in the illogical.
Let's assume that God intervenes in the basic transformations of matter into life like the valence of atoms to form molecules. She must have a reason for making the first living cells and then waiting millions of years to take the next step. Along the hesitant journey, God makes all kind of things. If there is little oxygen, She makes anaerobic critters but if there is plenty of oxygen, then aerobic beings. But what a minute! Who sets oxygen levels? It must be God also. If we are to conclude that God being God controls all the levers of the universe, then why She did not make humans from the beginning? Assuming that there is an explanation, why such a powerful being would be annoyed by the type of movies I watch?
These people really don't care for God but what comes with such a belief - an eternal life of ease & comfort Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies, not doing a lick of work, live a life of ease & comfort Such a life is what is promised for eternity! Every time I have asked - what does one DO in heaven? Why would a super being need anything to get done? Theists run away from such a question! What is shocking is to see even the highly educated NEVER ASK SUCH QUESTIONS! NOT ONCE! THIS INTERVIEWER WILL ASK ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS BUT NEVER SUCH QUESTIONS THAT WILL MAKE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE Like what is the point of such a "life" - a lazy, idle, useless & pointless existence for eternity! Meanwhile their loved ones down on earth could be facing terrible times - sickness, poverty, hunger, homelessness, war, pestilence - but again NOT ONE EDUCATED PERSON WILL ASK ABOUT THEM! Tell me - how many times have you heard of the question - Will I see my loved ones again in heaven? BUT NOT ONCE THE QUESTION I POSED ABOUT THE LOVED ONES DOWN ON EARTH! Why? Because religious people are more than happy to talk about the dead loved ones being very, very happy and comfortable and guess what, you will be joining them too! how wonderful! Questions about loved ones starving down on earth while the dead people enjoying a party in heaven doesn't go so well THE EDUCATED, THE MEDIA & THE MORAL - ARE ALL IN THIS - PERPETUATE THESE FANTASIES
Be nice, be real, educate yourself everyday, and be happy. And if there’s a god, most likely you will go to heaven. No need to be religious. All religions are bs
What you're referring to is institutionalized religion. Religion is understood to influence subjective well-being through various ways: the religious community gives people a sense of belonging and provides an important source of social support; religion gives people's lives meaning and purpose; and finally, religion encourages people to lead healthier lifestyles. I have never heard of an atheist establishing shelter for the homeless or feeding the hungry. Almost all these charitable Organizations I know are established by Religious groups. Religion has three major functions in society: it provides social cohesion to help maintain social solidarity through shared rituals and beliefs, social control to enforce religious-based morals and norms to help maintain conformity and control in society, and it offers meaning and purpose to answer any existential questions. Further, Durkheim placed himself in the positivist tradition, meaning that he thought of his study of society as dispassionate and scientific. He was deeply interested in the problem of what held complex modern societies together. Religion, he argued, was an expression of social cohesion. Religion is an expression of our collective consciousness, which is the fusion of all of our individual consciousness, which then creates a reality of its own. Religion helps in creating an ethical framework and also a regulator for values in day to day life. This particular approach helps in character building of a person. In other words, Religion acts as an agency of socialization. Thus, religion helps in building values like love, empathy, respect, and harmony. The biggest reason that society needs religion is to regulate behavior. Most of the laws that we follow today have their basis in religious teachings. There is considerable debate as to whether or not religion is required to make us good people but what is beyond dispute is that the rules for what is acceptable for society are largely based on religion. Without religion we would almost certainly live in a different type of society. On the other hand, Communist regimes like the Soviet Union and China that espouse Atheism, have been guilty of mass murder (murdered 150 million people in the last Century alone) because of lack of morales and atheism.
What keeps me suspecting that god may exist is the complexity of human body. Studying phisiology and anatomy is astonishing. Our immunity system, brain, genes and so on... I agree that Darwin theory is wonderful and makes a lot of sense, but the fact that it happened to different criatures dying, borning, dying, borning makes everything harder to "save" these changes on the genes. I strongly believe our only chance to find answer during our lifetime is to meet another advanced civilization which might know more than us...
"What keeps me suspecting that god may exist is the complexity of human body. " What makes me know for sure that there is no such thing as a sentient creator, are the many debilitating errors in biological beings, including humans. If there was a god he had to be the biggest moron in the universe.
You were born an Atheist. When it comes to other religions besides your own, you are an Atheist - so it is the reverse - the code actually says there is no God
Neither have shown that either have reached the standard. Because believing that God does not exist is a massive conclusion about reality and thus a high standard of belief should be set. Moreover, if one does not want there to be a Creator (remember cause and effect? Science?) then it is critical to be certain one is not deluded. So far, your reasoning exposes your delusion. Peace
They really don't care for God - what they want is the afterlife of a life of ease & comfort Like the life that prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live down here, shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies That is how they view God - their rich Sugar Daddy who will keep them in cozy comfort - keep them in a bubble away from facing the big bad REAL WORLD!
If you search for a study "The amoral atheist? A cross-national examination" you'll find that atheist have very similar moral compass as believers (I could say better, because it cannot be tainted by sometimes obstinate teachings of some pastor or priest). So the argument at the end, that science cannot exist without religion moral guidance is silly. We actually have more problems on the global scale because of religion and it's infallibility. I don't want to sound as a fighting atheist, but religion is often a cause of war, hampers education and trust in science. Spirituality is a core human impulse for some, but should stay "private" and not interfere with societal and scientific progress.
similar moral compass as believers? wow! what have you been drinking? Are we talking the same people who mass murdered innocents for not sharing their beliefs? Native Americans, Mayans & so many more - tortured, brutalized & killed till they gave up their way of life? Even to this day threaten people with hell unless they believe? Billions will be set apart - Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists - old people, children, even babies, pregnant women - will all be dumped into gas chambers in hell? Just the same as Jews faced under Nazi Germany? These are moral people? Where do you see any morality? Honestly, has religion brainwashed even Atheists? And how does one get Heaven? You can't earn it - you get it, why, the same way as you get things done in Corrupt/Communist countries - know the right people and get ahead! These religions are corrupt! Again how dense are Atheists?
Science has not answered most of the Big questions in nature because Science has limitations to what it can do. Professor of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, mathematician, broadcaster and author Marcus du Sautoy in his book, . He took over this position from atheist Richard Dawkins in 2008.
@@xspotbox4400 Same thing with religion. it is not supposed to answer why the Battery's electrical energy is used up . RELIGION IS NOT FICTION: Religion teaches Morality and Spirituality , they are not fiction . They are called moral and religious truths . There are also many theologians (Religious Studies) who earn Phd's just like other sciences. Science and Religion-Spirituality are philosophies on both sides of the same COIN. (The old name of Science was the Philosophy of Nature, and when you get a PhD degree in Physics or whatever field of study, it means Doctor of Philosophy.) … … Science and religion are two sides of the same deep human impulse to understand the world, to know our place in it, and to marvel at the wonder of life and the infinite cosmos we are surrounded by. Let’s keep them that way, and not let one attempt to usurp the role of the other.
@@dongshengdi773 It's not that simple. Religions are organized around ideas, and ideology is a fiction. Ideology makes many people seriously believe the worst nonsense, hurt others and themselves, because they really became like that. They don't fake their insanity, ideology actually makes them go crazy. Could be from many reasons, like tough childhood or tragic accidents, but most of the time they became fanatics because they love the power of the herd. They enjoy the church, just like people who get their kicks on a rock concert, except they usually understand the concert is only for a show. Ideology can't produce good, ethical and rational individuals. Every monster can say for himself, he is the man of God. The only way to know who is who, comes with experiences trough socialization. But every so often, corrupt individuals support each other and gang against the rest of the community. It doesn't need to be religion, every isolated society is receptive to mass hysteria, populism, tribalism... Then entire communities get force to comfort with a group, their voices are silenced, reasoning about daily stuff becomes impossible, until lies and nonsense completely take over their culture. What can you do, when logic and objective facts are not enough, most presumably good people are not fighters and don't want to resort to any form of violence or rage. And they're not so good if they can watch innocent individuals suffer injustice and pain, caused by lunatics on power.
God is not an entity. God is existance itself. God is All that IS. The question "Does God exist?" is illogical since it translates to "Does existance exist?" Creation and evolution are both aspects of existance.
@@speakbigtruth9383 I think this is worthy of a honest answer. If a child brought up without an idea of religion or god, the idea wouldn’t be approached if the child was given a good education. Children are not born religious, it’s taught. My mother was a Christian, and brought my siblings and I up to believe in god. It never stuck, even after reading the bible. I have studies history and many of the dead and classic religions, including The history of Egyptology and their gods. What I found was the idea of the of gods was copped and rehashed stories from many cultures, and countries. Even the idea of a single god came from one of the Pharaohs Akhenaten, the cult grew to what we know now as Judaism. Just like Afairyism, Adragonism, Aleprechaunism, AUnicornism, just like you don’t believe in Sunday, the god of the Sun, gods of Moon god Monday, Tiu god of war from the name Tuesday, Wednesday… I think you understand. Hundreds of thousands of religion has been killed off one way or another, how do you know that the true idea of god hasn’t been destroyed. How do you know the god you are worshiping is the right one. How do you know there is a god when the more we know, the less evidence there is one. Surly it would be the other way round.
@@anthonycraig274 What reason do you have to believe that if a child grows up with out being taught about God the child wouldn’t think there was one? Evidence shows the opposite. Look through out history the people from all over believe in God. Also psychologist have confirmed the idea of a creator in young children in atheist families. About your other questions: I know God exists. The more we know the more reasons there are to conclude the existence of God.
@@speakbigtruth9383 Because it has been done. I would even go as far to say that without exposure to other human minds, that child would grows up no different from any wild animal. Even after being introduced into a culture after 15 years old, they will never be able to acquire language. Now, does this sound like a default to god? Really?
Everything can be explained given time, explaining is not the truth to the one who caused I can explain does not mean I should take credit for making it too.
Roger argument show hin hasnt Scientif hipotesy in agnostic. When he says God Not exist otherwise GOD exist, is tautoligy. Contradict hinself .Weird old nerd.
What ever you want ask the universe. God is a concept, and this concept fits the under and the developing countries. For intellects self confidence would be enough. Life is mainly consist of love, emotions, creativity, willingness, sharing of knowledge, and acceptance, and the willing to change.
The way i see it, there are only two problems modern science must resolve before we can abandon all gods once and for all. Why do we see the entire history of the universe in the light coming to us from a past, and what is that substance we can experience as real, hard and solid stuff in our dreams? Because if there's a mechanism in physics that can define the very essence of what God is, then this is not a question of yes or no anymore, but we have a serious problem that calls for a completely new approach.
The Bible isn’t ”locket in”. This does not have to be true. Neither is the Interpretation of the Bible, as it can be moved around. It’s a BIAS that cause some former Bible readers to choose atheism.
I hope not to offend anyone but I think something is happening during all of your videos that detracts for the intended purpose. I am sure you are trying to communicate ideas but there is a very big distraction. It is the camera work. The camera person is part of every video you make. The are constantly moving and zooming in and out. It is very distracting. Sometimes they zoom in like a point is going to be made but it turns out it is just another random camera movement. I am not a Director or even someone who likes to take a picture of anything but I am someone who is trying to understand your conversations. It is an almost impossible task doing so because I am on a Virtual camera ride of the immediate surroundings with the videographer.
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod yes, I believe I do. I include the tradition of Islam under the umbrella of "Abrahamic". I'm not in the business of telling anyone their beliefs are wrong, so I hope you don't take personal offense. My issue is with many religions and atheists claims, but I find true believers on both sides to be, generally speaking, good people who believe strange, and even dangerous, things.
@@erikjohnson8430 _"yes, I believe I do. "_ You know Jewish believe that man and god share the similar image, as per Jewish understanding the man was created in the image of God, which resulted in Christians associated a 'son' to a man-figured 'god'. So if you were to associate Islamic concept of God under the umbrella of "Abrahamic" religions, I am sorry to tell you, that you have been given wrong information about Islam or the concept of God in Islam.
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod your's is a strawman failacy. That is not the vision attested by most Jewish or Christian students/believers. The "image" man was created in, as commonly referred to in the early Jewish scriptures, was "of God" because the form had divine life breathed into it and free will. According to most Jewish and Christian scholars, free will especially is the dominion of God, and our having it is what makes us "like" God. What man writes about God is of man. It can still be profoundly valid, but people rather focus on division. Islam is a tradition of division, just like the Jewish and Christian traditions. Sadly, these traditions are filled with many otherwise wonderful people.
@@erikjohnson8430 _"your's is a strawman failacy. "_ I don't think so, because you attempted to categorize Islamic concept of God with Jewish and Christians' concept of God. The Islamic concept of God is neither Jewish's concept of God or Christian's concept of God. Not to mention neither Jews nor Muslims accept Christian's concept of God. Likewise Muslims reject Jewish concept of God as well. _"That is not the vision attested by most Jewish or Christian students/believers. "_ Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in His own image; I am not so sure which particular Jewish or Christians that you consider are the most Jewish or Christian. In last 20 years every Christian and Jew I have ever spoken online and offline stated what I have stated above. C1) _"The "image" man was created in, as commonly referred to in the early Jewish scriptures, was "of God" because the form had divine life breathed into it and free will. "_ If you claimed "divine life breathed into it and free will." therefore man is created in the image of God is Jewish believe, it is not an Islamic believe, if Christians want to go along with Jewish ideas it becomes a Christians liberty.
Not-So-Close to the Truth and Robert Parks, you're NOT gullible. No way! You're way too "smart" to be gullible. And you're NOT deluded either. You're both so HUMBLE. Do you believe me? LOL
Metaphysics Good (god) is the exact opposite of "greed" and it's ignorance (hate). Question. Why are the evangelical counting corpses using the bible as a springboard to perform somersaults to do the exact opposite of "love their neighbors" and "treat others like they want to be treated"? Answer. This is sick. Because these simple concepts are too far out there to grasp for vampires (greed).
Creation...is just like how I view dimensions..... creation...comes from a single angle of light , then application of mathematics cultivate from shadows and shades of the angles of light....now the question is....cognitive animation....we know forces bring animmation...motion to matter..objects....but what bring living concioys thought behavior......God? The mind? Do you govern your mind or does a God govern your mind......
@@20july1944 I do but it’s not worth getting into the whole something from nothing argument because your minds made up that god made everything in the visible universe so it’s pointless. And now some scientists are talking about a multiverse, your lot are already trying to take credit for that too lol.
@@20july1944 I’d prefer to think that maybe it’s not the only Big Bang then god did it. And before you say who made the multiverse I’d say who made your god.
It's interesting that in recent years and decades, the implication has become that the world has so many problems because of God and the salvation of the world is in the hands of humans.
God is not the problem - it is the idea that we can run away to pleasure land in the sky and religions use that carrot - eternal life of pleasure is yours but wait, only if you believe in "OUR" God. God is like Putin, any tin-pot Dictator demanding loyalty & obedience and rewarding/punishing accordingly Supporters of Putin, knowing that as long as he remains in power, they get the good life have raped, tortured and killed any threats to him And we see religious people doing the same - Islamic countries are the worst - killing people if they "insult" their God! Christians freely use threats of hell if you don't believe as they do What is amazing is that the very same educated, media & moral person who thinks Putin and his supporters are evil will gladly join issuing threats of hell or will completely ignore it!
I’m a deist - I believe in a “Jim Holt” Creator, that is to say a 100% evil-and-malicious- but-only-eighty-percent-effective creator ….. who is, moreover, at this very moment laughing his guts out watching us thrash about in helpless, utterly pointless rage ……. What could be more malicious than creating an ultimately utterly meaningless universe, & then populating it with an entity with enough intelligence to understand both itself & the utterly meaningless universe in which it lives …… Suffer ……. !!!!!!! Suffer you dolts, suffer !!!!!! Suffer you blocks & stones & worse than useless things ……. See Jim Holt’s TedTalk……
@@maxphilly Death is the gateway to magic land & a life of ease & comfort! yay! But we get there only if we make sure kiss the right butt! Those kissing the wrong butt or no butt at all like Atheists, are out of luck Lucky for us only our religion is giving us the right butt to kiss That is how we live in the modern world - we kiss the right butt and get ahead Someone said my daughter got her job or promotion because she had a "relationship" with her boss and you said yes that is how religion says we must do
Easy to criticize - but this is ALL we have What do you think there should be? And how come we don't have it? Is it all after Death? Is death the gateway to some magic land?
@@maxphilly Make a case - all I got was a load of angry hot air Do you EARN heaven? If not, you are getting a life of ease & comfort because you know the boss? Just like yes-men and women getting promoted because the boss likes them? Like how supporters who grovel to Putin or Kim Jong un are rewarded with the good life and those that don't get punished God is a Putin, a Stalin, a Saddam! What has this religion reduced you down to? And then what do you DO in Heaven? Sit around a lazy, idle, useless, pointless existence for eternity? All because you managed to kiss the right butt? Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do that down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies living a life of ease & comfort Tell me, how are you any different from the above? And guess what? These Rich Sugar Daddies view their prostitutes/leeches with contempt and disgust Guess how God views you? Again what has this religion done to you? And all based on a cheap promise that you and they also know that cannot be verified! Any fool can make such cheap promises, can't you see that?
1:10: it is highly unfortunate that he cops out; instead of answering the question, he throws it back out there. He fails to acknowledge the possibility that belief in a deity, regardless of its (non) existence, might solve problems for some folks. Especially when it is so very easy to poke holes in the supposed existence of deities. Here’s but one argument of many: how does a perfect entity that exists outside time a) become over time so disappointed in the corruption of his creation that he wipes it out (the Flood) to start over, but b) fails to actually wipe it out!? I mean, here’s an entity that is supposed powerful enough to create the Universe in six days. Why the Ark? Why pairs of all the creatures that are corrupt, when He could simply create new ones by having a thought? Go back to (a)…. If god exists outside time, then all moments in eternity are together as one for Him. He is, at this moment, instructing Noah in how to build the ark. Even as He is, at this same moment, knocking up Mary with the Jesus zygote. Even as He is, at this moment, creating the universe. So He knows as he is creating this world that it is already corrupted. So at the very least, the narrative in the Bible is wrong. And if the word of god is wrong, then so is god… which ruins the “perfect being” thing.
I'm both into science and religion, maybe God likes science, just like me. As per the argument that religion can fuel wars and conflict, I think that one of the problems is when we try to be God's bodyguards, as if he/she needed that.
There has always been a god-shaped whole in our understanding. Simply because the concept is amorphous. If two people walk up to a door they have never been through and person A. Says, "I don't know what's behind the door." And person B. Says "I know what's behind the door." Who is right? Science says about the unanswered questions "we don't know" and religion says "it's God". Who is right? We DO know this, for sure: it is a mathematical fact that religion is usually wrong, since no one religion has constituted a majority. And they all disagree. Factually either almost all religion is false or all of it is. Uncertainty about reality is not proof. Certainty about your viewpoint is also not. These seem to be the two categories of data. There just isn't a compelling reason to believe. There are numerous reasons not to. The God of the gaps is the only God there has ever been as far as I can see.
Reason why belief is stressed so much - take a long time ago some guy started spouting off about God, magic, miracle people being miraclelly healed, wonderful land of oz after death etc etc of course all this works until some smart guy asks for evidence. What a party poop! And so all the good stuff will happen only if you believe! Only the believers will get heaven! Of course the guy asking for evidence is kicked out of the room and now the guy has eager listeners and supporters Gain enough numbers and now you can go after the guy asking for evidence - labelled a heretic, Satan worshipper - he can be tortured and killed! Still happening sadly in the 21st century So many educated are the believers that's the problem
@@ramaraksha01 my other observation is that the propensity for miracles is adversely related to the quality of the recording equipment. Nobody seems to walk on water when everyone has an iphone in their pocket. Just sayin'
@@MelFinehout These magic, miracle ideas appeal to the weak, the lazy & the coward - get things done without doing any work! Just say abracadabra and bingo it's done! As Children we are weak, unable to understand how things get done and so we put in magic & miracle, unfortunately the weak continue to believe in such tales even as adults And religions are more than happy to exploit this weakness - magic man did this, did that - all he wants you to do is believe in him & support him & no other, of course, he will be pleased & GIVE you eternal pleasures of the flesh! Amazingly not even the brightest are able to see a Putin, a Saddam who reward their loyal followers and supporters and abuse the rest! These same brightest call Putin & his supporters evil, disgusting yet once brainwashed by religion, behave EXACTLY the same way! Amazing, simply amazing!
My take on GOD, as we were taught in our various religions, is that "he" is a conception constructed out of necessity, to make sense of our world. Physics, evolution among other fields of study has satisfied these questions. I think we personalized GOD so that we can emotionally connect with our universe and have a relationship, that will eventually liberate us from that nasty thing called death. To me, these ideas are forged from a different time where things were different for humanity. So this idea of GOD either will be abandoned altogether, or in my case, modified to reflect reality.
HeyMurray.. Of course GOD (IT)exists.. WE are GOD(IT) and IT is US... the mistake youre making along with all Western thought is that DEATH is bad and nasty and god is a contrived escape. The truth is DEATH is God. Death is the reality and this is the dream... The dream of the GODHEAD. GOD is not some old idea to move on from... GOD ( IT, GAIA, the eternal now, infinite consciousness, the ground of being, the void..) Is the reality. You are god whether you like it or not..lol.
@@rckflmg94 my dilemma... if I understood what your emoji meant then it would give me the context to understand your comment lol. Not sure if you're agreeing with me, with a nudge of the elbow and a wry comment, or if you're expressing the fact you've heard it all before and its all spiritualistic nonsense to you lol
@@hjvjccc Death is bad. That's why it is painful for all animals - including us. There is no god(s) to comfort or console us or to magically gives us more life after we die. We must accept reality not wishful thinking.
And yet, not good enough of explanation what is God. According to Judaism God is a male, referred to as "He". Question is, in that case, where's the "She"? and what created that entity that has a gender, apparently. He's also, according to Judaism, resembles a lot human beings with his characteristics, he's angry, he has ego, he needs people to worship him in order to feel important. He punishes and test people because he feels they're not loyal to him...yet he created this infinite universe but a small group of people is his favorite. but that's because we invented that guy. So the question is still: What is God? If it's energy then he's part of it all, as we are. If it's a being, what created it? The notion that we need a supreme Being in order to explain the existence of this reality shows how not evolved we are in understanding the world we live in. Consciousness suggests we're all part of a great wisdom. We humans think and analyze, everything else around us does not. It adjusts and grows and works by whatever it learned by itself.
Science is all about collecting what folks in science considers to be facts. Anything beyond that they are in denial about. In christiany it is al about the sciptures. Anything beyond that they are in....
@@fortynine3225 Wrong. Science makes observations and uses reasoning to draw conclusions. Those conclusions, and even the observations themselves, might be incorrect; but the track record seems pretty good so far. The technology you're using to post your incorrect assertions, the medical care you receive, the transportation you use, etc., etc. all result from the application of scientifically-obtained information. Based on your "logic", we should give equal credence to anything anybody dreams up since we can't trust observation and reason to separate the wheat from the chaff. Thanks for that remarkable insight.
Religion is to God what education is to knowledge. But with that being said you’re supposed to suffer in this life to teach you about overcoming. What would be the use of an afterlife if everything was perfect in this one ? As far as evolution and Darwin I think it takes a little more so-called science to just say that because everything looks similar they must’ve come from the same species . Or that we are all designed to overcome our very design and change into something else- all on our own. That our design is designed with a self-destruction sequence to change species. But you don’t have to believe in the concept of God, just believe in the future, believe in hope for the future, and that’s basically believing in a God without a name or a concept
@Donza Thompson Do you believe the God who created this infinite universe subject mercy and salvation upon crime against humanity in the killing blameless Jesus(pbuh) ? As you know not killing Jesus means there isn't a "salvation" waiting for Christians. Killing Jesus was a good thing or bad thing?
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod Like I said before, religion is to God what education is to knowledge. I don’t know what that being of Light is or even if Jesus existed, but from what I’ve heard from people who seen the other side -it is real . Also I believe the eternity of time reduces good and evil to simply His pragmatism. But if I could get more specific, I think that God and eternity is a real place yet it exists as an eternal extension of our beliefs and expectations. The heaven we believe in already exists in our timeless minds
@@MrSanford65 I am a Muslim by faith. So i am not disputing with you your very post on this thread or whether or not God exists. So please read through my post above and answer my questions kindly.
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod I think the killing of Jesus was a planned sacrifice. According to the doctrine , Innocent blood needed to be shed Because only that which is most pure and innocent has room left to absorb the sins of the entire mankind
Bob! you are a creator, for sure, each one of you is one, and you will end with the one you love: for those who love light, they will end with light, those who love AI aka Satan, they will end with him, and those who are not decided yet, well, you will be given more time to figure it out! It is very simple in fact.
From the religion has mass murdered more people than all other religions put together Condemn innocent people to hell unless we believe as you do Billions of Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists will be set apart like Jews under Hitler and dumped into gas chambers in hell! God seen as the ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies - they too "love" their sugar Daddy, sing his praises Sounds familiar?
You can't live in fantasies - you have to live in the REAL WORLD that God created for us God made this world, this earth, gave us this life Life is a Gift from God God is not a ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort - God is no Sugar Daddy keeping billions of prostitutes/leeches in cozy comfort for eternity THIS IS IT! THERE IS ONLY ONE WORLD! THIS ONE!
Evolution happened, but the science says that Darwin's "Tree if Life" concept is dead. So the mechanism of evolution was not random mutation and survival of the strongest. If mutations were NOT random, then... Huston, we have oportunity! :)
Science has no real explanatory power. It has descriptive power. It may be able to answer the questions of “what” fairly well, but it can never truly answer the questions of “why”.
"Trying to prove a God concept that is outside is bound to fail" That is most likely because it is a nonsensical claim. "God is within us." You would need to prove that claim too.
How can't God be relenting, forgiving, merciful, and graceful? And yes the Bible is locked in it is stated about an early chastisement proverbs 13:24 and the fact that he'll give you over to your choices look how he gave Pharaoh over to his hard heart. And since this Earth has a curse in the word that is locked in in the book of Revelation chapter 21 the new heaven and the new Earth for the first Earth in the first heaven have passed away jump down to verse 5 and Jesus says behold I make all things new. And with faith in Jesus you can be made new.
God is not divorced from science or reality. God knows the Einstein Rosen bridge equation. We will get the equation when we earn it and God knows we won't just fling garbage at it. Lchaim
@@pabloespinosa1246 _"We probably made the first paperclips "_ Question is whether or not a paper-clip can come into existence by its own, answer is no. If then intellect only can come from intellectual being, the God is the infinite Intellectual Being.
I do not know if God is real. But come on, the bible was maver written to make a peace full world. It is and was not ment to solve all the problems. It claims to tell us why the world is as it is. And what the solution will be in the future.
because evolution has universities full of evidence. Every biologist takes evolution into account when explaining biological phenomena or fighting against pathogens.
Where's the proof that people are getting closer to finding anything out.im not taking some person's word on anything.people don't know as much as they put on.
Any theist argument that utilizes the notion that the unlikely chain of events that resulted in our existence proves the existence of God demonstrates the weakness of this notion. We have obviously learned a great deal about the cosmology, chemistry, and biology. But no responsible thinker could possibly believe that we know everything . This universe we dwell in is indescribably vast and complex...we happen to be fortunate to evolve under a set of conditions that resulted in our existence. To believe that this could only happen once is completely unsupportable. If belief in God(s) makes you feel better, then please do so. It would certainly be handy if somebody else was running the show, but that doesn't prove anything.
Now that the Universe Creation Theory includes the possibility that it all began from "NOTHING", Then shouldn't God be given the same opportunity? Especially since God's beginning has been the greatest question.
Except no one seriously thinks the universe came from nothing. I'm a Christian theist and I wouldn't mix in the incoherence that God came from nothing. There either IS a God or there ISN'T, but God didn't come from nothing IF He exists.
The reason I maintain a position that GOD may exist, is that we are ultimately limited in our conceptions of how everything fits together. We are bound by the limitations of survival, as dictated by evolutionary necessity. Perhaps the universe is an operating system on a computer (lets use that analogy) and our operating system GOD, or unified physics along with other unknowns, adds up to a super consciousness. We can call it whatever we want, but at the end of the day we will always be testing the universe, observing and discovering something odd or mysterious. Emotionally, this is the relationship I am having with the universe I suppose. I guess it's "complicated" as is usually posted the FB or social media world.
I agree with you, i feel robert is respectfully missing the bigger picture. I feel as humans we know God to be true as well as mystery our way through this universe probably among the many he provided with science. Religion does change, it should change, individually. Certain people follow really archaic beliefs like you’ll burn in eternity to encourage them to be good and such but really individually you should choose to not take a chance at being at truly evil person. And when u die you’ll find about stuff probably meet the guy
@@pabloespinosa1246 "we know God to be true" Huh??? What kind of God are you referring to???
But is God existing enough for you? You also want the easy lazy life that comes with God?
Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies?
That is the God you want, right? Your ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort?
@@rckflmg94 I feel we as humans know God to be true meaning the majority of people believe there is an unseen meaning, creator or simply force that is not on the same level of existence than us be it maybe only because of the sheer force of mass belief in such an entity, not saying it has to be the God so many religions have tried to describe
@@pabloespinosa1246 yes, there could be a deity that created this universe (and others?) but doesn't interfere in any way with the laws and constants of physics. This a popular conception of "God" by many Enlightenment thinkers in the 18th century.
If you don't believe that he's intervening right now but still letting you breathe with mercy and Grace ,and to even intervene on people to soften hearts, if you choose to listen, or you can choose to close off your ear and harden your heart.
No evidence for your assertions, your statements are also indicative of self reinforcing delusions, the most primitive and childish cognitive errors a person can make.
The silliness of this video is amazing.
How do you evaluate a claim on the basis of its utility instead of its objectivity.
Who cares wether you find the concept useful or not, the question is “is it true” ?
More progress would be made if we stick to debate where the theist can put forward arguments for theism and atheist can attempt a refutation.
All he said in this video was his subjective and personal reasons for not being a theist. Who cares about that? Lets stick to objectivity.
Indeed
"Lets stick to objectivity." 13.7 Billion years, god never shows up. There's your objectivity, right there.
Well, if you want objectivity, not much debate is needed, there is no proof of the existence of a god and there is no proof of the contrary. The guy is simply giving his opinion on the subject and that's all anyone can do anyway.
useful means it has explanatory power, if a theory doesn't have any explanatory power you have no reason to believe it
He has no interest in finding the objective truth, only how useful he thinks the concept is.
I am a God and I'm deeply offended that Robert Park thinks I don't solve any problems. What does he think I do all day?
You listen to prayers and double-check who skipped them. At the same time, you monitor women who don't cover their hair, and you decide if someone should find a parking space quickly or another one should keep suffering as a child refugee, etc.
I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.
- Richard Feynman
I suppose I agree with that as a matter of intellectual freedom, but it doesn't answer where matter came from, nor where the astonishing complexity of living organisms arose.
@@20july1944 we don't know where the energy that matter is made of comes from and that is ok. Attributing it to god is not an answer
@@user-gk9lg5sp4y A russian rocket scientist once said to me that the energy has allways existed it had to because you cant get something from nothing. It was in response to me asking in regard to the first law of thermodynamics that energy is niether created or destroyed. I thought it a good answer though I am a theist
Easy so easy, medium true medium, have the same vaccum equal the vacuum before big- bang. I prove that. In the vacuum God lives.
@@nelsonpinheiro1148 Yeah, naw
*"The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you."
Something being unnecessary does not speak to whether it exists or doesn't exist, be it a God or anything else.*
Means you overrule The Antrophic principle..
golden63, no disrespect to you, and although what you said might sound good to most folks, it is incorrect. The Universe is Governed by the laws of Physics which necessitate that everything which exists exist, and which does not not, like Suat Ustel said "The Anthropic Principle". In other words, diametrically opposed to what you said, if something exists is due to it being necessary, and if if does not, unnecessary.
@@newmankidman5763 my problem this necessary being its essence and this necessary being is an Ex-Gratia how does it amount wither down to a single unity(nothing can create itself including Gods) you theologians conflate its essence and existence contomporeneasly this is impossible as Sarte quieted existence preceded essence if universe come to the fore 13.7 billions years ago its bears out is a thought process, my point is if universe exist , it must have been existing as steady state, God cannot at a whim some point thorough out existence just to say let there be light space and galaxies and earth and humans his doesn't bode with his eternity......
@@suatustel746, you must have misunderstood my comment. I am an Atheist
@@newmankidman5763 well have to be sceptic simply don't wanna be disrespectful other idealogies second even supreme being might exist, he might not be a paragon of virtue, his ulterior motives overrides virtues like benevolence mercy magniluquence justice etc.
I am not religious at all, but I do explore philosophy and religion in a philosophical sense. This videos seems to go like this.
Host: Religious arguments.
Guest: But I don't like it x 1000 times.
Problems run deeper than this. Most of human issues are human condition and religion gets swept into that. I am not saying that religion doesn't have bad sides, but we had wars for many other reasons and not only god. People will fight over any ideology as long as they are weak enough they will follow that bloodshed. My view at least.
That's what I've been telling people who keep on saying that ALL Wars are caused by religion When in fact it is actually more of economics, trade Wars , political Wars , territorial Wars.
Religious war is just an excuse …
@@dongshengdi773 it's not that "god" is either "good" or "bad". It's non-existent and therefore this explains why "god" has never interceded to save people with "miracles" and supernatural power.
Amazing - do your not see a King/Dictator/a Putin in the Christian/Islamic God?
Is it too hard to figure out that the ancients that lived under Kings/Dictators made God in their image? "We must get down on our knees, swear loyalty(belief) & obedience, obey only this master and no other, beg for his mercy, hope he is pleased & GIVE us a reward(heaven)"
Simple, primitive ideas of God that even the best of minds seem to blindly follow
Under the effect of our pride we have created transcendency. Feeling God in my heart I try to live like animals do,naturally, no superiority, no race discrimination and above all no war! P.S. I am omnivorous.
@@micheldisclafani2343 But you do look away when your religion preaches Nazi ideas OPENLY!
Billions of Hindus, Buddhists & Atheists will be set apart based on belief alone and will be condemned to gas chambers in hell!
We are talking old people, children, even babies? pregnant women & innocent others being sent to a brutal fate all because of their beliefs?
The same thing that happened to millions of Innocents under the Nazis simply because they were Jews!
There is a Hitler-"God" waiting for us while these creepy Nazis will cheer the Lord?
NOT ONE CHRISTIAN HAS EVER EXPRESSED PROBLEMS WITH SUCH IDEAS! NOT ONE!
God is like the love of a mother present even when she is not there! It is a love warm like friendship and makes you never feel alone or lonely.ife,in spite of all theologians,religions or philosopher
I am 83 and I keep God in my heart while living my life like animal do.
I chose God to be and this is a big plus in my l
That's a perfectly logical approach to the unanswerable question of God's existence:
Given that He MAY WELL exist and would be the only plausible source of life after death, there is every reason to want a good relationship with Him, unless you really, REALLY hate Him for some reason IF He exists.
Transcendency is a human creation, we are through our atoms as old as the universe and have lived in all the forms that exist. Eternity and infinit belong to us, when we do not try to understand or explain God.
Very well expressed, God is not exclusive to any religion, just as unconditional love is not exclusive to any mother, God is a spirit and is in each and every person, people may not share same religion or belief but may share same faith.
Eat some mushrooms go and meet her 😁
What should make all religions more honest and more modest is the fact that nobody has ever seen or heard God, but religions pretend in a very dishonest way that they deal with God for any major or minor problem!
Love like motherly love is in my opinion a manifestation of God. It should suffice. When we feel God in our heart we become happy and free, because
We are no longer alone! Lies and hypocrisy fuel hate and war!
As soon as the guest refused to provide affirmative arguments against the existence of a god, I cut off the interview and found some more entertaining stuff.
Yup. I think I’m about done with this channel.
good job, you sure taught them a lesson
"the theory of evolution works so well" ... And something that work so well is up by chance ? Pure randomness (because if your remove an higher consciousness only randomness is still on the table) created evolution by chance ? It's like he start always a step too late, like many materialists anyway...
Evolution involves both Randomness and also design through Consciousness.
For Example, an animal wishes to look like a Plant for camouflage , and vice versa , a Plant wishes to look like an insect for camouflage.
Evolution of mimicry.
it is clearly NOT Random.
All of his answers Are wrong because its premise is that religion Does not answer His Questions.
most religious people believe that there is No conflict between science and religion because they complement each other . Science answers the how and religion answers the why.
@@dongshengdi773
Please give some examples of this “Why Answers”..!
...I have yet to hear of one....
Ultimately; the only truth is “Scarcity”...
...Belief in this so called Ultimate Consciousness” does change
“Scarcity”...
...therefore it is useless..!
"Pure randomness"
You do not understand the theory of biological evolution at all. The theory of biological evolution is so surprising and magnificent BECAUSE it shows us many kinds of proof for the fact that evolution is NOT pure random.
@@dongshengdi773 "For Example, an animal wishes to look like a Plant for camouflage , and vice versa , a Plant wishes to look like an insect for camouflage. "
No that is not how biological evolution works at all. I can not believe you are saying this.
I have a huge problem with how you formulate this. The term "WISHES" is absurd in this context.
Have you ever studied evolution? I have an entire library of more than 80 books on the subject.
No textbook, or paper will ever say something like that.
@@andreasplosky8516 you are missing it my dear. You have to take a step back... The pure randomness is about the fact that "biological evolution" exist. Why in an universe that for a materialist exist by random chance have to include "biological evolution" ??????? They got it from the box of "create your random universe" ??
Whether you believe in god or not you are equally incapable of understanding the nothingness that you have emerged from as the vastness that you are engulfed in.
Park is very wrong--we are not "even close" to figuring it all out--the more we see, the more questions we have--the bigger the numbers, the greater the mystery.. The scientists keeping growing the universe to keep the "observations" that we already have, in doubt.. Park seems like a nice Man, he appears to be some what rational, yet vacant in his overall philosophy. The facts are, that there is an inexplicable fine tuning in the universe that science cannot explain.. So then they created quantum mechanics which in fact cannot even be explained or proven--then string theory was added to the mix and all that happened was that they philosophically created more dimensions and even MORE questions--and string theory can't be proven--period.. I find the position of the atheists to be nothing more than elitist in nature as they put themselves "above'' the facts--because the facts are, that science CANNOT explain in finality their own propositions--their answer is "we will re-write the books as the facts come in but we will take a firm stance on what we have".. almost laughable to take a firm position without a full explanation/equation and a conclusive final theory.. When pushed for definitive proof, they blame all the problems in the world on GOD instead of talking about all the beauty and the good in life--they don't even consider an either/or approach, they just give a sour note on certain parts of mankind and selective events of history, instead of a full summary.. God/Higher Power to the scientist isn't acceptable if they haven't personally been tapped on the shoulder for a one on one conversation with God and asked for advice.. I appreciate the dialogue but I find the conclusions to be unacceptable.
Really very well said 👏
we can observe more and more of nature and there is still no shred of evidence of an "intelligent power" behind it all
@@rckflmg94 conversely, there isn't a shred of evidence that string theory or quantum math or anything less than the unexplained math of fine tuning caused everything biological--the more we see, the greater the mystery! you are in NO position through science or math to argue against a Higher Power or a God.
@@evanjameson5437 why would your "higher power" allow children to suffer and die young? Oh yeah, He is mysterious! Lol
@@rckflmg94 laughable retort--you focus only on the bad not all the good..there is endless majesty on our planet and through out the Universe..Why are there people who suffer or on a grander scheme black holes that eat up galaxies--so what? It's all just part of the the total creation and if it w reason for the creatifirst place..
It is very sad to listen to a old person and a scientist with no wisdom. We can understand from its words that he wanted an utility God, someone to be at his service. To believe that science will solve all our problems when science is the main guilty of destruction of our planet is really ridiculous. All said by a man that worked in science to build weapons.
Very very true
His argument wasn't particularly well-presented or supported but where did he say science will solve all of our problems? Your argument seems to be a strawman.
@@mikel5582 He asserts that verbatim at 7:36
Well I was going to comment but the more he said the less intelligent he became. There wasn’t just one thing he said wrong, it was pretty much everything. A decent response to so much nonsense would take too long in this format.
R L Kuhn is intellectually way ahead of his guest, it’s like he’s debating a child.
A man that lives a carnal life will never understand God.
Man that lives a spiritual life will understand God.
May God blessed you all
Ridley Scott already explained this in Prometheus: Life was created by the Engineers. And the Engineers were created by Ridley Scott
"did you make us first, after we made you?" - andy partridge
KEvron
if Bill Gates made Windows ,
if Steve Jobs , Steve Wozniak made Apple Computers
if engineers made AI and robots …
so who made us (biological robots)
@@dongshengdi773
your question assumes that someone made us. it also assumes that makers must, themselves, be made by a maker, which turns your question back on itself.
KEvron
Raised by Wolves.....
Everybody gangsta against God till sh*t hits the fan in their lives...
Funny that if you child is sick, you take him to a hospital where you expect doctors to use SCIENCE to cure him????? What gives?
I don't see any incongruence between the existance of God and Science.
Personally I think God is fundamental. Perhaps I'm making a semantic argument but, whatever is fundamental, by default, is God, no? He makes a good point, the idea of this human-God is there to be abused or to manipulate.
There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, tooth fairy & Santa
How is God fundamental? Yet we have no evidence of such a being?
@@ramaraksha01 As I said, the argument becomes semantic. What do you call everything? I call it God.
@@futuregenerationz That is the Brahman in Hinduism - but Brahman is unintelligent, not alive! Are you comfortable with such a "being"? There are no magic men, of course, no "Gods" as such though there are Hindu Gods - the Buddha was one
Believe in God helps people find Pease. If you take that away, what will you offer instead? So true or not, God is useful. Rulers always find a way to make wars, with God or without God. God is as big as it fits in your head.
that's a load of crap. people need to find meaning and joy for themselves and stop clinging to an imaginary security blanket
Good lock. do you know why most profits were Sheppard? They learned people act like sheep, even today, cave rules apply to economy and human behavior. You remove god from people, they will find another even worst.
@@Alex-dw9im modern, secular societies function quite orderly and peacefully without constructs like "god"
Can you trust person talking on this subject who never smoke DMT?
😂I’ve got my fist batch of mushrooms growing now. I’ll ask god when they’re done and let you know. 😂
Indeed!
The universal fact that I cannot get something from nothing should end all arguments for the existence of a creator.God is all that is.
Why do you think nothing can exist, and if it does, how could anything else exist that obviously does? Universe is not empty, it's only a way we see quantum force fields. Idea itself is a nothing, it came from material head and will vanish from existence after a person is gone. So, what is an idea?
Right
@@xspotbox4400 I'm fine with denying "nothing" can exist, but what would you say MUST exist instead of nothing?
@Trevelle Alexander
"The universal fact that I cannot get something from nothing"
So... by your own admission then, your god could not have created the universe from nothing! Or are you committing the fallacy of special (magical) pleading?
There would have to be something there already then?
The only thing you have to do now is prove that your invisible god-friend exists.
But as we know theism has failed at this forever. It just blabbers fallacies, makes empty promises, and utters vile threats.
We are again at an impasse.
By the way... how do you know there ever was nothing? Science doesn't know that, and never said so. For all we know there can never be absolute nothing. If you think it over, there ever "being" absolute nothing makes no logical sense at all.
What a sad era when it's easier to smash an atom than a prejudice- Albert Einstein.
Einstein was racist
@@dimaniak They say Edison was too
@@matterasmachine Yes, Religion is a much better method. You just burn the ones who disagree with you, and send them to your god ahead of time.
@@dimaniak, are YOU racist?
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices one might have to be say 'l don't like you, or your creed or your religion or culture without been demonised. Of course as long as you don't denigrate or insult them publicly...
I would push back on one point. It's the notion religion is the cause of wars. Religion is more like an excuse. It's one amongst many. This includes race, class, nationality, cultural identity, human ego, aggression, economics, geopolitical and resource competition, group identity, ... We live in a largely scientific, secularist age. This has not saved us from wars.
Believing there is no God is no different to Believing we don't actually exist......yet we are here🤔. The concept of what God is and our desire to destroy ourselves isn't the fault of our creator but ourselves.
That makes no sense. Please explain
@@AlejandroFernandez05 If you believe there is no God then you and everything can't exist, everything was created or nothing would exist. The question is who was the creator of everything or did everything create itself?.
More people have died over religion than any other cause but who directly told people to kill?, our creators direct words or MEN who claimed to be divine?. Men have done the complete opposite of what most religions teach but claim to act in accordance with their faith?.
The transatlantic slave trade is an excellent example of supposedly CHRISTIAN countries and religious institutions (Church of England and the Vatican) willingly participating in acts of evil but they claimed to be subjects of God and the faithful????. The Church of England believes Queen Elizabeth is mankind's direct link to God???......where in any Holy Scriptures is that written?. John 8:32 "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". What is the truth.
@@equinox95 why are you assuming that there has to be a god in order for the universe to exist?
If everything has to be created, then god had to be created.
If god didn’t have to be created, the same could apply to the universe
@@AlejandroFernandez05 God wasn't created, nothing existed before God, only God itself. We have cars, phones, houses, planes, ships and every manufacturered goods you can think of. If those goods were never designed and made would they still exist?.
We have DNA that has a Pacific sequence that results in us or any other living lifeforms that have their own sequence that's results in them. Who designed the DNA or was it random. DNA structure has been compared to computer coding.....who designed the code as code cannot design itself without external input.
@@equinox95 again assuming things you don’t know. What’s the point of making things up
According to the Encyclopedia of Wars, out of all 1,763 known/recorded historical conflicts,123, or 6.98%, had religion as their primary cause.
Yes, the old over-statement that conveniently omits the 20th century. Lol
Would it be more accurate to say that greed, power, lust, revenge etc is more of a cause that religion.
So what? Is that evidence against God? I don't think so.
@@richardc861 yes, very true. But atheists think humans are pure and innocent until religion puts the evil into them. Very wrong indeed
@@RAMnnn1892 Mic drop!
Yet never did I hear Jesus Christ say anything about religion, he said that he is the way. So then therefore how aren't those man-made wars? Jesus said about getting close to the time you'll hear of wars and rumors of wars.
There are no copies of the original transcripts. No copies of the copies of the original transcripts. Not even in the original language. Gospels written by unknown authors. Who knows what was actually said?
@@cps_Zen_Run These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out. It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: But the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs 25:1-2 KJV
You heard Jesus Christ say something?
@@mikel5582 you know there's Bibles with red letters in them which are the words of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ also spoke my sheep know my voice and they will hear my voice.
For an Atheist this guy surely likes to keep bringing up god in a science channel. It’s tiring.
He is no Atheist - just another highly educated but religious nut
Question..do the 3 popes pray to the same god...or do they pray to 3 separate dieties...
Schism...and also 3 colored robed alike.....
Red, white, black
Disappointing conversation at the level of new atheists.
*"Disappointing conversation at the level of new atheists."*
...What is a "New Atheist?" Has "the non-belief in any god or gods" definition changed?
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC It is not just about gods no more. A modern atheist is convinced that matter is all there is. All you are is a piece of meat with the ability to think. It became prettymuch a ultra right wing idiology.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Just like religion …
Yes, every Atheist has his own definition of a god that He Does not believe in.
like Buddhists who believe in the existence of life after death , or the existence of a Spirit ,
like the Atheist Sam Harris who believes in spiritual enlightenment but a Spirit that dies together with the body .
like atheists who didn't believe in God because they believed that the universe is infinite or fixed state.
But now that Big Bang has been proven , they have changed their definition of god that excludes the initiator of the Big Bang .
there are countless more …
@@dongshengdi773 Your logic is tautological. Of course a concept needs to be defined before a person can decide if he thinks it to be true or false.
Just to be clear, I'm referring to objective reasoning here, not feelings.
@@fortynine3225 *"A modern atheist is convinced that matter is all there is. All you are is a piece of meat with the ability to think."*
....Isn't that the same way that "old atheists" thought as well? Again, what is the difference?
You guys need to look into dispensations, because there is a first coming ,and a second coming ,the first coming is the suffering servant like Jesus Christ ,and then the second coming ,you would rather be coming with him, than see him coming, unless you're a Jew or endured to the end, and did not take the mark, nor worship the beast or its image.
These two have a very limited understanding of the capacity that God might have. I think they're arguing a very narrow band of low level evangelical belief in which God is a finite entity operating within and infinite universe and the silly notion that man is made in the image of God as a biological creature. True understanding is that God knows everything, is everywhere at once, and has control of everything at once. This implies that God is everything (information), so God is The Infinite. If God is the universe, then that means that we are just small sub entities operating within that framework. So in a manner of speaking we are just a small piece of God as well, in that sense we would be made in Gods image.
Why stop here, we can go much deeper than that. There's that thing called intelligent self awareness, it is like electricity, but not only a force. Once we have this aetherical entity, the spirit itself can make molecules move and design whatever material body it likes.
Obviously we're made in God's image, everybody must wear nice and clean clothes in public.
just ignore the millions of innocent people who die in pain every year. nothing to see here. "praise God" Haha
@@rckflmg94 Who said praise God? See you are projecting your own limited understanding of what you think God might mean to me, and in doing so you are assuming that God has to think and feel like you. IMO that's a little narcissistic.
@@travsb1984 instead of accusing me of being "narcissistic" why don't you provide some evidence to support your grandiose claim that "God is the universe" and "God is The Infinite" and "we are a small piece of God" whatever the heck those statements are supposed to mean.
Yes, there is an argument against God. Billions of people think that the almighty God is HERE NOW. But this is impossible. The problem is that God is supposed to KNOW THE ACTUAL FUTURE. You could maybe have some hypothetical futures, but ONLY ONE WILL ACTUALLY COME TRUE. Well, God is supposed to know THAT ONE FUTURE. This seems to be a good thing, but it's exactly the opposite. Since that ONE future known to God is the ACTUAL one, the one that will REALLY come true, (God cannot make any errors), then God must JUST STARE and let IT UNFOLD exactly like it is, NOTHING CAN BE TOUCHED: God could not even slightly change the weather of tomorrow. GOD in other words would be like "BLOCKED". Even worse, God would be obliged to EXACTLY TAKE THE GOD'S ACTIONS included in that known ONE future: also his own actions would be absolutely unchangeable. What is the solution to this problem? When God knew the whole future He simply COMMANDED his power "SO IT SHALL BE (but without me)". That's all. By doing so, God avoided LATER OBLIGATIONS to PERSONALLY and EXACTLY take all the God's actions set out in that WELL-DETERMINED future. Thus, God got immediately free from any further obligations.This means that the God's actions are taken here now by NOBODY, this is why God is meant to be just a "spirit".
I agree 99.9% with everything that guy says except for one thing. The major wars and tyrants of the 20th century were ideological, not "religious" per se. And despite being anti-religious (both Nazi Germany and the USSR), they didn't create more successful societies. On the contrary. Nowadays the relatively more religious part of Germany is much more stable, emphatic and economically and socially strong. The least religious part is....still stuck somewhere between the Reich and the USSR.
That being said, this is not a justification for religion per se or that religion is right, no, but to me it shows that despite being mostly a fairy tale, many people need something like religion to hold on to.
(0:35) *RP: "I find God simply to be not a useful concept. It doesn't solve any problems for me."* ... The concept of God absolutely _does_ solve problems! An "Omnipotent Being" represents one of two unsurpassable endpoints on the "closed spectrum of Existence."
There is nothing that can be conceived that is greater, wider, larger, or more expansive than the concept of God. That's as far as one can logically conceive. Likewise, Big Bang's "Singularity" serves as the opposite end of the same spectrum. Nothing is lesser, narrower, smaller or more compact than this nondimensional point of infinite gravity and density called "Singularity."
*God* and *Singularity* represent the greatest and smallest that consciousness is able to conceive, therefore the concept of God is necessarily inevitable.
Without the concept of God (or Singularity), the "closed spectrum of Existence" would not exist.
One cannot in truth be an atheist. The prefix "a" negates "theist" and denotes a complete knowledge - that one knows there is no God. One cannot know that. Here's a simple experiment to prove this: take a piece of paper and place a bubble on it that indicates your personal knowledge in relation to the universe. Most people put a dot, one guy thought he was smart and drew a circle. Now, place a dot anywhere outside your mark which represents knowledge you do not have and the knowledge of God must be included. So unless you possess all knowledge you cannot be certain God does not exist
Knowledge is only what you know, not what you don't know. You started with a wrong premise, by saying to know anything is normal and can be scaled, it is not. The very existence of a useful knowledge and a model leading to understanding is the reason why we understand there's no need for supernatural and divine.
The world is in turmoil because of human pathology.
Contrast must maintain but why immense dosages, Dostevesky asked promptly...
Militantly agnostic here. I don't know and I know that you don't either. The thing that gets me into creator ideas is that there is anything instead of nothing, and the constraints of the universe being bound by precise numerical values, which changing the values breaks the ability of the universe to exist. Looks like a plan. Looks like it went wrong. So not omniscient, or just not caring about what happens? If there is a BIG consciousness, then we are probably a small fragment of that. Just out here doing anything to keep from being driven insane.
*"The thing that gets me into creator ideas is that there is anything instead of nothing..."* ... Why does it have to be an *either/or* situation? Maybe Nonexistence and Existence, Something and Nothing, Positive and Negative, and *0* and *1* are as rudimentary as consciousness allows you to conceive?
The 'something rather than nothing' argument just kicks the can down the road. If the mere presence of something requires a creator then the next obvious question is, what created the creator?
I also don't agree that a universe couldn't exist if the physical constants were different than they are as we understand them. It would certainly be different but not necessarily impossible. A question that _is_ interesting (i.m.o.) is 'how did those constants come to be'? I think we'll eventually crack the "matter from non-matter" challenge and we'll do so through our understanding of physical laws, but the question of where those laws came from will remain.
When I said I was agnostic, people thought I still had some gullibility left. I have none. That’s someone who understand the concept of god and has no reason for it.
You’re no better for not understanding something
@@pabloespinosa1246 we live in an era where people define the world by their ignorance and are proud of it...
@@pabloespinosa1246 I have forgotten more than you will ever know.
@@anthonycraig274 What is your explanation for the origin of the universe?
@@20july1944 I don’t know, nobody does. Who say they know is a liar.
Lol, as if there were no religion there will be peace among human. human by default will make war, god is just an excuse.
So when science discoveres more and more, it's very easy to "hijack" it all and say "God is great, look at evolution for example. God did it". There's just no end to the religious claims
God gave you free will so that you could write that. He knew that you'd write that because he knows everything, but you could have written whatever you wanted to; even though he knew what you'd write.
Moral of the story: don't try to find logic in the illogical.
@@mikel5582 so... I'm talking about science and you talk about a delusion. A make belief figure, and you're telling me I'm illogical?
@@heavymeddle28 My goodness, does nobody on TH-cam get sarcasm?
Even without the sarcasm nothing was said about _your_ logic.
@@mikel5582 I can see that I was wrong about your comment. Apologies to you. Woke up 3am and wasn't really properly awake. My bad
@@heavymeddle28 No worries. I may have stretched too far mocking god and free will in one joke. 🙂
Anyway, great work Robert! I am enjoying your exploration for the truth!
Let's assume that God intervenes in the basic transformations of matter into life like the valence of atoms to form molecules. She must have a reason for making the first living cells and then waiting millions of years to take the next step. Along the hesitant journey, God makes all kind of things. If there is little oxygen, She makes anaerobic critters but if there is plenty of oxygen, then aerobic beings. But what a minute! Who sets oxygen levels? It must be God also. If we are to conclude that God being God controls all the levers of the universe, then why She did not make humans from the beginning? Assuming that there is an explanation, why such a powerful being would be annoyed by the type of movies I watch?
You're not supposed to ask questions Carlos. Just be blindly obedient to the beliefs of people whose unshakable faith requires your faith as well.
These people really don't care for God but what comes with such a belief - an eternal life of ease & comfort
Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies, not doing a lick of work, live a life of ease & comfort
Such a life is what is promised for eternity!
Every time I have asked - what does one DO in heaven? Why would a super being need anything to get done? Theists run away from such a question!
What is shocking is to see even the highly educated NEVER ASK SUCH QUESTIONS! NOT ONCE! THIS INTERVIEWER WILL ASK ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS BUT NEVER SUCH QUESTIONS THAT WILL MAKE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE
Like what is the point of such a "life" - a lazy, idle, useless & pointless existence for eternity!
Meanwhile their loved ones down on earth could be facing terrible times - sickness, poverty, hunger, homelessness, war, pestilence - but again NOT ONE EDUCATED PERSON WILL ASK ABOUT THEM!
Tell me - how many times have you heard of the question - Will I see my loved ones again in heaven?
BUT NOT ONCE THE QUESTION I POSED ABOUT THE LOVED ONES DOWN ON EARTH!
Why? Because religious people are more than happy to talk about the dead loved ones being very, very happy and comfortable and guess what, you will be joining them too! how wonderful!
Questions about loved ones starving down on earth while the dead people enjoying a party in heaven doesn't go so well
THE EDUCATED, THE MEDIA & THE MORAL - ARE ALL IN THIS - PERPETUATE THESE FANTASIES
Be nice, be real, educate yourself everyday, and be happy. And if there’s a god, most likely you will go to heaven. No need to be religious. All religions are bs
What you're referring to is institutionalized religion.
Religion is understood to influence subjective well-being through various ways: the religious community gives people a sense of belonging and provides an important source of social support; religion gives people's lives meaning and purpose; and finally, religion encourages people to lead healthier lifestyles.
I have never heard of an atheist establishing shelter for the homeless or feeding the hungry. Almost all these charitable Organizations I know are established by Religious groups.
Religion has three major functions in society: it provides social cohesion to help maintain social solidarity through shared rituals and beliefs, social control to enforce religious-based morals and norms to help maintain conformity and control in society, and it offers meaning and purpose to answer any existential questions. Further, Durkheim placed himself in the positivist tradition, meaning that he thought of his study of society as dispassionate and scientific. He was deeply interested in the problem of what held complex modern societies together. Religion, he argued, was an expression of social cohesion.
Religion is an expression of our collective consciousness, which is the fusion of all of our individual consciousness, which then creates a reality of its own.
Religion helps in creating an ethical framework and also a regulator for values in day to day life. This particular approach helps in character building of a person. In other words, Religion acts as an agency of socialization. Thus, religion helps in building values like love, empathy, respect, and harmony.
The biggest reason that society needs religion is to regulate behavior. Most of the laws that we follow today have their basis in religious teachings. There is considerable debate as to whether or not religion is required to make us good people but what is beyond dispute is that the rules for what is acceptable for society are largely based on religion. Without religion we would almost certainly live in a different type of society.
On the other hand,
Communist regimes like the Soviet Union and China that espouse Atheism, have been guilty of mass murder (murdered 150 million people in the last Century alone) because of lack of morales and atheism.
What keeps me suspecting that god may exist is the complexity of human body. Studying phisiology and anatomy is astonishing. Our immunity system, brain, genes and so on... I agree that Darwin theory is wonderful and makes a lot of sense, but the fact that it happened to different criatures dying, borning, dying, borning makes everything harder to "save" these changes on the genes.
I strongly believe our only chance to find answer during our lifetime is to meet another advanced civilization which might know more than us...
"What keeps me suspecting that god may exist is the complexity of human body. "
What makes me know for sure that there is no such thing as a sentient creator, are the many debilitating errors in biological beings, including humans.
If there was a god he had to be the biggest moron in the universe.
@@andreasplosky8516 I also think about it! Some people say you start to believe in god when you study physiology and stop when you study pathology...
@@leopereirafilho1456 Well said. I am going to remember that line.
The appendix ?
You’d only call the advanced aliens atheists.
He said we’re heading to get all the answers but will never be there
If we are in a simulation, the code tells us to believe in god . Would be considered rogue code if we questioned ?
If we're in a simulation, it is ultimately God's simulation -- so it doesn't matter much. I'm fine with us being in a simulation.
You were born an Atheist. When it comes to other religions besides your own, you are an Atheist - so it is the reverse - the code actually says there is no God
Neither have shown that either have reached the standard. Because believing that God does not exist is a massive conclusion about reality and thus a high standard of belief should be set. Moreover, if one does not want there to be a Creator (remember cause and effect? Science?) then it is critical to be certain one is not deluded. So far, your reasoning exposes your delusion. Peace
They really don't care for God - what they want is the afterlife of a life of ease & comfort
Like the life that prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live down here, shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies
That is how they view God - their rich Sugar Daddy who will keep them in cozy comfort - keep them in a bubble away from facing the big bad REAL WORLD!
If you search for a study "The amoral atheist? A cross-national examination" you'll find that atheist have very similar moral compass as believers (I could say better, because it cannot be tainted by sometimes obstinate teachings of some pastor or priest). So the argument at the end, that science cannot exist without religion moral guidance is silly. We actually have more problems on the global scale because of religion and it's infallibility.
I don't want to sound as a fighting atheist, but religion is often a cause of war, hampers education and trust in science. Spirituality is a core human impulse for some, but should stay "private" and not interfere with societal and scientific progress.
similar moral compass as believers? wow! what have you been drinking?
Are we talking the same people who mass murdered innocents for not sharing their beliefs?
Native Americans, Mayans & so many more - tortured, brutalized & killed till they gave up their way of life?
Even to this day threaten people with hell unless they believe?
Billions will be set apart - Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists - old people, children, even babies, pregnant women - will all be dumped into gas chambers in hell?
Just the same as Jews faced under Nazi Germany?
These are moral people? Where do you see any morality?
Honestly, has religion brainwashed even Atheists?
And how does one get Heaven? You can't earn it - you get it, why, the same way as you get things done in Corrupt/Communist countries - know the right people and get ahead!
These religions are corrupt!
Again how dense are Atheists?
Science has not answered most of the Big questions in nature because Science has limitations to what it can do. Professor of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, mathematician, broadcaster and author Marcus du Sautoy in his book, . He took over this position from atheist Richard Dawkins in 2008.
Scientific model doesn't need to explain everything, only what is obvious and present in the reality of every human.
@@xspotbox4400 Same thing with religion. it is not supposed to answer why the Battery's electrical energy is used up .
RELIGION IS NOT FICTION:
Religion teaches Morality and Spirituality , they are not fiction . They are called moral and religious truths . There are also many theologians (Religious Studies) who earn Phd's just like other sciences. Science and Religion-Spirituality are philosophies on both sides of the same COIN. (The old name of Science was the Philosophy of Nature, and when you get a PhD degree in Physics or whatever field of study, it means Doctor of Philosophy.) … …
Science and religion are two sides of the same deep human impulse to understand the world, to know our place in it, and to marvel at the wonder of life and the infinite cosmos we are surrounded by. Let’s keep them that way, and not let one attempt to usurp the role of the other.
@@dongshengdi773 It's not that simple.
Religions are organized around ideas, and ideology is a fiction.
Ideology makes many people seriously believe the worst nonsense, hurt others and themselves, because they really became like that. They don't fake their insanity, ideology actually makes them go crazy. Could be from many reasons, like tough childhood or tragic accidents, but most of the time they became fanatics because they love the power of the herd. They enjoy the church, just like people who get their kicks on a rock concert, except they usually understand the concert is only for a show.
Ideology can't produce good, ethical and rational individuals. Every monster can say for himself, he is the man of God. The only way to know who is who, comes with experiences trough socialization. But every so often, corrupt individuals support each other and gang against the rest of the community. It doesn't need to be religion, every isolated society is receptive to mass hysteria, populism, tribalism...
Then entire communities get force to comfort with a group, their voices are silenced, reasoning about daily stuff becomes impossible, until lies and nonsense completely take over their culture.
What can you do, when logic and objective facts are not enough, most presumably good people are not fighters and don't want to resort to any form of violence or rage. And they're not so good if they can watch innocent individuals suffer injustice and pain, caused by lunatics on power.
God is not an entity. God is existance itself. God is All that IS. The question "Does God exist?" is illogical since it translates to "Does existance exist?" Creation and evolution are both aspects of existance.
I hear no good reason not to believe in God from this guy. All his reasons are easily knocked down.
@Rafa Towers The extraordinary claim is god and there is no evidence for that.
@@anthonycraig274 Why do you assume that Atheism is the default position?
@@speakbigtruth9383 I think this is worthy of a honest answer.
If a child brought up without an idea of religion or god, the idea wouldn’t be approached if the child was given a good education. Children are not born religious, it’s taught.
My mother was a Christian, and brought my siblings and I up to believe in god. It never stuck, even after reading the bible.
I have studies history and many of the dead and classic religions, including
The history of Egyptology and their gods.
What I found was the idea of the of gods was copped and rehashed stories from many cultures, and countries. Even the idea of a single god came from one of the Pharaohs Akhenaten, the cult grew to what we know now as Judaism.
Just like Afairyism, Adragonism, Aleprechaunism, AUnicornism, just like you don’t believe in Sunday, the god of the Sun, gods of Moon god Monday, Tiu god of war from the name Tuesday, Wednesday… I think you understand.
Hundreds of thousands of religion has been killed off one way or another, how do you know that the true idea of god hasn’t been destroyed. How do you know the god you are worshiping is the right one. How do you know there is a god when the more we know, the less evidence there is one. Surly it would be the other way round.
@@anthonycraig274 What reason do you have to believe that if a child grows up with out being taught about God the child wouldn’t think there was one? Evidence shows the opposite. Look through out history the people from all over believe in God. Also psychologist have confirmed the idea of a creator in young children in atheist families. About your other questions: I know God exists. The more we know the more reasons there are to conclude the existence of God.
@@speakbigtruth9383 Because it has been done. I would even go as far to say that without exposure to other human minds, that child would grows up no different from any wild animal. Even after being introduced into a culture after 15 years old, they will never be able to acquire language. Now, does this sound like a default to god? Really?
Everything can be explained given time, explaining is not the truth to the one who caused
I can explain does not mean I should take credit for making it too.
Men desire darkness rather than light hence the need for this form of idle entertainment.
Universe is awfully dark, maybe that’s are truer form.
I wish these talks were dated.
Roger argument show hin hasnt Scientif hipotesy in agnostic. When he says God Not exist otherwise GOD exist, is tautoligy. Contradict hinself .Weird old nerd.
Only god can understand that language you write in...
What ever you want ask the universe. God is a concept, and this concept fits the under and the developing countries. For intellects self confidence would be enough. Life is mainly consist of love, emotions, creativity, willingness, sharing of knowledge, and acceptance, and the willing to change.
Carl Sagan was quoted as saying that " God is a reassuring fable"
So how do you explain the origin of our universe, Mike?
@@20july1944 I think we'll have to wait many more years until science has the tools to figure that out.
The way i see it, there are only two problems modern science must resolve before we can abandon all gods once and for all.
Why do we see the entire history of the universe in the light coming to us from a past, and what is that substance we can experience as real, hard and solid stuff in our dreams?
Because if there's a mechanism in physics that can define the very essence of what God is, then this is not a question of yes or no anymore, but we have a serious problem that calls for a completely new approach.
It seems to me our universe operates on cause and effect. God must be outside our universe, maybe infinite. your thought are appreciated.
What do you mean by causality, how do we know that principle is a universal truth?
@@xspotbox4400 I would say causality is universal unless you have specific contrary evidence. The logic of causality is plain.
The Bible isn’t ”locket in”. This does not have to be true. Neither is the Interpretation of the Bible, as it can be moved around. It’s a BIAS that cause some former Bible readers to choose atheism.
I hope not to offend anyone but I think something is happening during all of your videos that detracts for the intended purpose. I am sure you are trying to communicate ideas but there is a very big distraction. It is the camera work. The camera person is part of every video you make. The are constantly moving and zooming in and out. It is very distracting. Sometimes they zoom in like a point is going to be made but it turns out it is just another random camera movement. I am not a Director or even someone who likes to take a picture of anything but I am someone who is trying to understand your conversations. It is an almost impossible task doing so because I am on a Virtual camera ride of the immediate surroundings with the videographer.
As so often is the case, an Atheist refutes God by refuting the easily falsified Abrahamic God. Ugh. Just say your "anti-Abrahamic" or something.
It is bogus concept of God is being rejected by atheist and agnostics.
Have you understood the concept of God in Islam ?
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod yes, I believe I do. I include the tradition of Islam under the umbrella of "Abrahamic". I'm not in the business of telling anyone their beliefs are wrong, so I hope you don't take personal offense. My issue is with many religions and atheists claims, but I find true believers on both sides to be, generally speaking, good people who believe strange, and even dangerous, things.
@@erikjohnson8430 _"yes, I believe I do. "_
You know Jewish believe that man and god share the similar image, as per Jewish understanding the man was created in the image of God, which resulted in Christians associated a 'son' to a man-figured 'god'.
So if you were to associate Islamic concept of God under the umbrella of "Abrahamic" religions, I am sorry to tell you, that you have been given wrong information about Islam or the concept of God in Islam.
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod your's is a strawman failacy. That is not the vision attested by most Jewish or Christian students/believers. The "image" man was created in, as commonly referred to in the early Jewish scriptures, was "of God" because the form had divine life breathed into it and free will. According to most Jewish and Christian scholars, free will especially is the dominion of God, and our having it is what makes us "like" God. What man writes about God is of man. It can still be profoundly valid, but people rather focus on division. Islam is a tradition of division, just like the Jewish and Christian traditions. Sadly, these traditions are filled with many otherwise wonderful people.
@@erikjohnson8430 _"your's is a strawman failacy. "_
I don't think so, because you attempted to categorize Islamic concept of God with Jewish and Christians' concept of God. The Islamic concept of God is neither Jewish's concept of God or Christian's concept of God.
Not to mention neither Jews nor Muslims accept Christian's concept of God.
Likewise Muslims reject Jewish concept of God as well.
_"That is not the vision attested by most Jewish or Christian students/believers. "_
Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in His own image;
I am not so sure which particular Jewish or Christians that you consider are the most Jewish or Christian.
In last 20 years every Christian and Jew I have ever spoken online and offline stated what I have stated above.
C1) _"The "image" man was created in, as commonly referred to in the early Jewish scriptures, was "of God" because the form had divine life breathed into it and free will. "_
If you claimed "divine life breathed into it and free will." therefore man is created in the image of God is Jewish believe, it is not an Islamic believe, if Christians want to go along with Jewish ideas it becomes a Christians liberty.
Not-So-Close to the Truth and Robert Parks, you're NOT gullible. No way! You're way too "smart" to be gullible. And you're NOT deluded either. You're both so HUMBLE. Do you believe me? LOL
great arguments, i love the fact we can ask ourselves these questions
Metaphysics
Good (god) is the exact opposite of "greed" and it's ignorance (hate).
Question. Why are the evangelical counting corpses using the bible as a springboard to perform somersaults to do the exact opposite of "love their neighbors" and "treat others like they want to be treated"?
Answer. This is sick. Because these simple concepts are too far out there to grasp for vampires (greed).
I am glad and like that he is not civil about his approach to religion; no time should be spent on this foolishness.
No, this guy really is a prick, isn't he? Is he a scientist of some kind?
@@20july1944 He has no time to spend of foolishness, that is exactly how a rational logical person should approach religion.
Superb.
Creation...is just like how I view dimensions..... creation...comes from a single angle of light , then application of mathematics cultivate from shadows and shades of the angles of light....now the question is....cognitive animation....we know forces bring animmation...motion to matter..objects....but what bring living concioys thought behavior......God? The mind? Do you govern your mind or does a God govern your mind......
How far is past and future.
Presented.
Please keep the standard of this series. Did not gain anything from this interview.
Agreed, this was vacuous.
Religion claims to have all the answers and science only gives the answers once there is irrefutable evidence as to what it’s claiming.
Do you know cosmology well enough for a discussion on the origin of our universe?
@@20july1944 I do but it’s not worth getting into the whole something from nothing argument because your minds made up that god made everything in the visible universe so it’s pointless. And now some scientists are talking about a multiverse, your lot are already trying to take credit for that too lol.
@@20july1944 I’d prefer to think that maybe it’s not the only Big Bang then god did it. And before you say who made the multiverse I’d say who made your god.
Science collects what it considers to be facts about anything beyond that it is in denail. That is exactly how religion opererates..
Why does political government try to act and behave like what people understand God to be?
God is nature nature is god , these are nouns not worth quibbling over.
It's interesting that in recent years and decades, the implication has become that the world has so many problems because of God and the salvation of the world is in the hands of humans.
God is not the problem - it is the idea that we can run away to pleasure land in the sky and religions use that carrot - eternal life of pleasure is yours but wait, only if you believe in "OUR" God. God is like Putin, any tin-pot Dictator demanding loyalty & obedience and rewarding/punishing accordingly
Supporters of Putin, knowing that as long as he remains in power, they get the good life have raped, tortured and killed any threats to him
And we see religious people doing the same - Islamic countries are the worst - killing people if they "insult" their God! Christians freely use threats of hell if you don't believe as they do
What is amazing is that the very same educated, media & moral person who thinks Putin and his supporters are evil will gladly join issuing threats of hell or will completely ignore it!
where is the (specific clear) evidence that we are "messing up the atmosphere"?
Have you ever heard of something called 'smog'?
I’m a deist - I believe in a “Jim Holt” Creator, that is to say a 100% evil-and-malicious- but-only-eighty-percent-effective creator ….. who is, moreover, at this very moment laughing his guts out watching us thrash about in helpless, utterly pointless rage …….
What could be more malicious than creating an ultimately utterly meaningless universe, & then populating it with an entity with enough intelligence to understand both itself & the utterly meaningless universe in which it lives ……
Suffer ……. !!!!!!! Suffer you dolts, suffer !!!!!! Suffer you blocks & stones & worse than useless things …….
See Jim Holt’s TedTalk……
We suffer in school to not suffer afterwards because we take full control over everything we are.
@@maxphilly Death is the gateway to magic land & a life of ease & comfort! yay!
But we get there only if we make sure kiss the right butt! Those kissing the wrong butt or no butt at all like Atheists, are out of luck
Lucky for us only our religion is giving us the right butt to kiss
That is how we live in the modern world - we kiss the right butt and get ahead
Someone said my daughter got her job or promotion because she had a "relationship" with her boss and you said yes that is how religion says we must do
Easy to criticize - but this is ALL we have
What do you think there should be? And how come we don't have it?
Is it all after Death? Is death the gateway to some magic land?
@@ramaraksha01 that's total bullshit a weak-minded cheap point of view
@@maxphilly Make a case - all I got was a load of angry hot air
Do you EARN heaven? If not, you are getting a life of ease & comfort because you know the boss? Just like yes-men and women getting promoted because the boss likes them?
Like how supporters who grovel to Putin or Kim Jong un are rewarded with the good life and those that don't get punished
God is a Putin, a Stalin, a Saddam!
What has this religion reduced you down to?
And then what do you DO in Heaven? Sit around a lazy, idle, useless, pointless existence for eternity? All because you managed to kiss the right butt?
Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do that down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies living a life of ease & comfort
Tell me, how are you any different from the above?
And guess what? These Rich Sugar Daddies view their prostitutes/leeches with contempt and disgust
Guess how God views you?
Again what has this religion done to you? And all based on a cheap promise that you and they also know that cannot be verified!
Any fool can make such cheap promises, can't you see that?
1:10: it is highly unfortunate that he cops out; instead of answering the question, he throws it back out there. He fails to acknowledge the possibility that belief in a deity, regardless of its (non) existence, might solve problems for some folks. Especially when it is so very easy to poke holes in the supposed existence of deities. Here’s but one argument of many: how does a perfect entity that exists outside time a) become over time so disappointed in the corruption of his creation that he wipes it out (the Flood) to start over, but b) fails to actually wipe it out!? I mean, here’s an entity that is supposed powerful enough to create the Universe in six days. Why the Ark? Why pairs of all the creatures that are corrupt, when He could simply create new ones by having a thought? Go back to (a)…. If god exists outside time, then all moments in eternity are together as one for Him. He is, at this moment, instructing Noah in how to build the ark. Even as He is, at this same moment, knocking up Mary with the Jesus zygote. Even as He is, at this moment, creating the universe. So He knows as he is creating this world that it is already corrupted.
So at the very least, the narrative in the Bible is wrong. And if the word of god is wrong, then so is god… which ruins the “perfect being” thing.
I'm both into science and religion, maybe God likes science, just like me. As per the argument that religion can fuel wars and conflict, I think that one of the problems is when we try to be God's bodyguards, as if he/she needed that.
There has always been a god-shaped whole in our understanding. Simply because the concept is amorphous.
If two people walk up to a door they have never been through and person A. Says, "I don't know what's behind the door." And person B. Says "I know what's behind the door." Who is right?
Science says about the unanswered questions "we don't know" and religion says "it's God". Who is right?
We DO know this, for sure: it is a mathematical fact that religion is usually wrong, since no one religion has constituted a majority. And they all disagree.
Factually either almost all religion is false or all of it is. Uncertainty about reality is not proof. Certainty about your viewpoint is also not. These seem to be the two categories of data.
There just isn't a compelling reason to believe. There are numerous reasons not to.
The God of the gaps is the only God there has ever been as far as I can see.
Reason why belief is stressed so much - take a long time ago some guy started spouting off about God, magic, miracle people being miraclelly healed, wonderful land of oz after death etc etc of course all this works until some smart guy asks for evidence. What a party poop!
And so all the good stuff will happen only if you believe!
Only the believers will get heaven!
Of course the guy asking for evidence is kicked out of the room and now the guy has eager listeners and supporters
Gain enough numbers and now you can go after the guy asking for evidence - labelled a heretic, Satan worshipper - he can be tortured and killed!
Still happening sadly in the 21st century
So many educated are the believers that's the problem
@@ramaraksha01 my other observation is that the propensity for miracles is adversely related to the quality of the recording equipment. Nobody seems to walk on water when everyone has an iphone in their pocket. Just sayin'
@@MelFinehout These magic, miracle ideas appeal to the weak, the lazy & the coward - get things done without doing any work! Just say abracadabra and bingo it's done!
As Children we are weak, unable to understand how things get done and so we put in magic & miracle, unfortunately the weak continue to believe in such tales even as adults
And religions are more than happy to exploit this weakness - magic man did this, did that - all he wants you to do is believe in him & support him & no other, of course, he will be pleased & GIVE you eternal pleasures of the flesh!
Amazingly not even the brightest are able to see a Putin, a Saddam who reward their loyal followers and supporters and abuse the rest!
These same brightest call Putin & his supporters evil, disgusting yet once brainwashed by religion, behave EXACTLY the same way!
Amazing, simply amazing!
My take on GOD, as we were taught in our various religions, is that "he" is a conception constructed out of necessity, to make sense of our world. Physics, evolution among other fields of study has satisfied these questions. I think we personalized GOD so that we can emotionally connect with our universe and have a relationship, that will eventually liberate us from that nasty thing called death. To me, these ideas are forged from a different time where things were different for humanity. So this idea of GOD either will be abandoned altogether, or in my case, modified to reflect reality.
HeyMurray.. Of course GOD (IT)exists.. WE are GOD(IT) and IT is US... the mistake youre making along with all Western thought is that DEATH is bad and nasty and god is a contrived escape. The truth is DEATH is God. Death is the reality and this is the dream... The dream of the GODHEAD. GOD is not some old idea to move on from... GOD ( IT, GAIA, the eternal now, infinite consciousness, the ground of being, the void..) Is the reality. You are god whether you like it or not..lol.
@@hjvjccc How can we be God when our universe far predates man?
@@hjvjccc oh whatever! 😌
@@rckflmg94 my dilemma... if I understood what your emoji meant then it would give me the context to understand your comment lol. Not sure if you're agreeing with me, with a nudge of the elbow and a wry comment, or if you're expressing the fact you've heard it all before and its all spiritualistic nonsense to you lol
@@hjvjccc Death is bad. That's why it is painful for all animals - including us. There is no god(s) to comfort or console us or to magically gives us more life after we die. We must accept reality not wishful thinking.
And yet, not good enough of explanation what is God. According to Judaism God is a male, referred to as "He". Question is, in that case, where's the "She"? and what created that entity that has a gender, apparently. He's also, according to Judaism, resembles a lot human beings with his characteristics, he's angry, he has ego, he needs people to worship him in order to feel important. He punishes and test people because he feels they're not loyal to him...yet he created this infinite universe but a small group of people is his favorite. but that's because we invented that guy. So the question is still: What is God? If it's energy then he's part of it all, as we are. If it's a being, what created it? The notion that we need a supreme Being in order to explain the existence of this reality shows how not evolved we are in understanding the world we live in. Consciousness suggests we're all part of a great wisdom. We humans think and analyze, everything else around us does not. It adjusts and grows and works by whatever it learned by itself.
I like that point of the science books being totally OK and have been rewritten and revised so Manu times.
Science self corrects. Theism takes 100 years to even admit being wrong.
It's odd that you find that to be a flaw. I'm more curious how you're getting a network connection on your stone tablet in your cave.
Science is all about collecting what folks in science considers to be facts. Anything beyond that they are in denial about. In christiany it is al about the sciptures. Anything beyond that they are in....
@@fortynine3225 Wrong. Science makes observations and uses reasoning to draw conclusions. Those conclusions, and even the observations themselves, might be incorrect; but the track record seems pretty good so far. The technology you're using to post your incorrect assertions, the medical care you receive, the transportation you use, etc., etc. all result from the application of scientifically-obtained information.
Based on your "logic", we should give equal credence to anything anybody dreams up since we can't trust observation and reason to separate the wheat from the chaff. Thanks for that remarkable insight.
@@mikel5582 You are wrong yourself since my statement is 100% correct.
Religion is to God what education is to knowledge. But with that being said you’re supposed to suffer in this life to teach you about overcoming. What would be the use of an afterlife if everything was perfect in this one ? As far as evolution and Darwin I think it takes a little more so-called science to just say that because everything looks similar they must’ve come from the same species . Or that we are all designed to overcome our very design and change into something else- all on our own. That our design is designed with a self-destruction sequence to change species. But you don’t have to believe in the concept of God, just believe in the future, believe in hope for the future, and that’s basically believing in a God without a name or a concept
@Donza Thompson
Do you believe the God who created this infinite universe subject mercy and salvation upon crime against humanity in the killing blameless Jesus(pbuh) ? As you know not killing Jesus means there isn't a "salvation" waiting for Christians.
Killing Jesus was a good thing or bad thing?
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod Like I said before, religion is to God what education is to knowledge. I don’t know what that being of Light is or even if Jesus existed, but from what I’ve heard from people who seen the other side -it is real . Also I believe the eternity of time reduces good and evil to simply His pragmatism. But if I could get more specific, I think that God and eternity is a real place yet it exists as an eternal extension of our beliefs and expectations. The heaven we believe in already exists in our timeless minds
@@MrSanford65 I am a Muslim by faith. So i am not disputing with you your very post on this thread or whether or not God exists.
So please read through my post above and answer my questions kindly.
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod I think the killing of Jesus was a planned sacrifice. According to the doctrine , Innocent blood needed to be shed Because only that which is most pure and innocent has room left to absorb the sins of the entire mankind
@@MrSanford65 _"which is most pure and innocent has room left to absorb the sins of the entire mankind "_
You believe in this?
Bob! you are a creator, for sure, each one of you is one, and you will end with the one you love: for those who love light, they will end with light, those who love AI aka Satan, they will end with him, and those who are not decided yet, well, you will be given more time to figure it out! It is very simple in fact.
From the religion has mass murdered more people than all other religions put together
Condemn innocent people to hell unless we believe as you do
Billions of Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists will be set apart like Jews under Hitler and dumped into gas chambers in hell!
God seen as the ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort
Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies - they too "love" their sugar Daddy, sing his praises
Sounds familiar?
You can't live in fantasies - you have to live in the REAL WORLD that God created for us
God made this world, this earth, gave us this life
Life is a Gift from God
God is not a ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort - God is no Sugar Daddy keeping billions of prostitutes/leeches in cozy comfort for eternity
THIS IS IT! THERE IS ONLY ONE WORLD! THIS ONE!
Evolution happened, but the science says that Darwin's "Tree if Life" concept is dead. So the mechanism of evolution was not random mutation and survival of the strongest. If mutations were NOT random, then... Huston, we have oportunity! :)
You're confusing God with Religion, two different things. By the way , what we named god is not a he.
Science has no real explanatory power. It has descriptive power. It may be able to answer the questions of “what” fairly well, but it can never truly answer the questions of “why”.
I think his frustration answers why he doesn't think God is real
We are hardwired to believe in a higher power...........
God is within us. Trying to prove a God concept that is outside is bound to fail.
"Trying to prove a God concept that is outside is bound to fail"
That is most likely because it is a nonsensical claim.
"God is within us."
You would need to prove that claim too.
How can't God be relenting, forgiving, merciful, and graceful? And yes the Bible is locked in it is stated about an early chastisement proverbs 13:24 and the fact that he'll give you over to your choices look how he gave Pharaoh over to his hard heart. And since this Earth has a curse in the word that is locked in in the book of Revelation chapter 21 the new heaven and the new Earth for the first Earth in the first heaven have passed away jump down to verse 5 and Jesus says behold I make all things new. And with faith in Jesus you can be made new.
God is not divorced from science or reality. God knows the Einstein Rosen bridge equation. We will get the equation when we earn it and God knows we won't just fling garbage at it. Lchaim
Dear Robert Park, can a paper clip can come into existence on its own?
A clip, to clip what, who could have any usage for such item?
We probably made the first paperclips
@@pabloespinosa1246 _"We probably made the first paperclips "_
Question is whether or not a paper-clip can come into existence by its own, answer is no.
If then intellect only can come from intellectual being, the God is the infinite Intellectual Being.
I do not know if God is real.
But come on, the bible was maver written to make a peace full world. It is and was not ment to solve all the problems.
It claims to tell us why the world is as it is. And what the solution will be in the future.
He sure has a lot of confidence in the theory of evolution!
because evolution has universities full of evidence. Every biologist takes evolution into account when explaining biological phenomena or fighting against pathogens.
God bless.
Where's the proof that people are getting closer to finding anything out.im not taking some person's word on anything.people don't know as much as they put on.
Any theist argument that utilizes the notion that the unlikely chain of events that resulted in our existence proves the existence
of God demonstrates the weakness of this notion. We have obviously learned a great deal about the cosmology, chemistry, and biology. But no responsible thinker could possibly believe that we know everything . This universe we dwell in is indescribably vast and complex...we happen to be fortunate to evolve under a set of conditions that resulted in our existence. To believe that this could only happen once is completely unsupportable.
If belief in God(s) makes you feel better, then please do so.
It would certainly be handy if somebody else was running the show, but that doesn't prove anything.
Now that the Universe Creation Theory includes the possibility that it all began from
"NOTHING", Then shouldn't God be given the same opportunity? Especially since God's beginning has been the greatest question.
Except no one seriously thinks the universe came from nothing.
I'm a Christian theist and I wouldn't mix in the incoherence that God came from nothing.
There either IS a God or there ISN'T, but God didn't come from nothing IF He exists.