I despise slow play. Perhaps Kuchar was making a statement that they wouldn't be playing in the dark if the officials had done their job of keeping up the pace of play during the round. How about we make this fiasco even longer and we all come back tomorrow because you (Officials) can't keep up the pace of play? Great idea.
If Kuchar had said exactly that, it would be an entirely different story...."Hey, we're on #18 tee and it's getting dark...apparently we can't get around this course in less than 5 1/2 hours....so if officials aren't going to enforce pace of play all day, why should I hurry up and finish?" That would have been fun.
I don’t blame Kuchar one bit. Lots of people are talking about how slow Rai was playing. If that guy played at a more reasonable pace, Kuchar probably would’ve finished on the same day in conditions that were fair to him. Why play in harder conditions when your card, paycheck, and your caddie’s paycheck is on the line, especially when people ahead of you are playing at a snail’s pace?
Don't know Kuchar, could be an ass. However, to be fair this should have not affected anyone's travel plans but Kuchar's. Finishing at night like that, the only people that would get out of there if possible is the scoreboard guys and the tv guys if they have an event the next week. Even then, it would be tough getting all that together in the dark. The bleachers, ropes, tents etc. would have been taken down over the next couple days (again, it's dark out). Out of town PGA officials and staff could have left. There is always some local PGA staff that supports the event. They could have handled a player finishing a hole. They didn't need volunteers for crowd control, tickets, parking etc., just close the course and have him finish the hole. Again, nobody was inconvenienced unless they chose to be.
Let's be clear about the Kuchar situation. Yes, this unfortunately negatively impacted the volunteers, however SOMEONE needs to start calling out the PGA Tour for their absolute mismanagement of ... everything ... ranging from event scheduling, to on-course rules administration. This actually called into sharp relief everything the PGA Tour is screwing up. They schedule events in areas of the country during their most unstable weather seasons due to 'tradition'; They place obstructions for the benefit of advertisers and technology that then force nonsensical rulings; They fail to enforce pace-of-play rules; They create slow and protracted play due to nonsensical course setup; They allow their television broadcasts to devolve into unwatchable and protracted dog****. Sorry, Chris, you're wrong. Matt Kuchar is the hero we need, creating a single microcosm that highlights everything the PGA Tour is screwing up ... or he would be highlighting it if you were focused on the issues and not the single unfortunate hardship for a handful of volunteers. We should be talking about ... pace of play enforcement, course setup failures, tournament scheduling in general, and weather mismanagement specifically.
I have to say guys, most likely won’t read this anyway. As Tony’s probably sticking a finger up his butt hole saying Mizuno, Mizuno, Mizuno, left dash, left dash, left dash. I have to agree with Kuchar. Until the PGA starts penalizing for slow play, start penalizing the PGA. If I were Kutcher in my next tournament, I would play unbearablely slow until they penalize me.
Then why not just say that? Kuchar is a veteran. He's made 60+ million or whatever in on course earnings. He doesn't need the paycheck. If he wanted to take a stance against slow play (which I'm sure many others would have supported) why run with that line of BS?
@@GolfSpyC there's been enough talk the last few years. PGA only responds to their bottom line being hit, LIV is the prime result. Rahm wanted more portapotties, he left, now they're every few holes. No one is going to protest and say it is because of slow play, but the organizers and other leadership knew that was a shot across the bow.
I never played tournament golf in my life, but 6 1/2 hours for professional golfers. Seriously, do they call up meteorologists before each shot ... Also while I get the frustration on @GolfSpyC's part, the PGA Tour needs to obviously do a better job enforcing slow play. Then again why bother when you can run another 30 ads before showing perhaps 5 golf shots and then going back to commercials.The PGA Tour loves to go on about integrity, and they can't even enforce their own simple rules (slow play).
Matt played behind two 6 1/2 hour rounds, and was expected to finish the last two holes in the dark to please the authorities. I think he was right to invoke his right to stop.
I would have had ZERO issue with Kuchar had he just said that...."Pace of play has been abysmal and had the PGA Tour enforced it, we wouldn't be in this situation...but yet, here we are..."
@@GolfSpyC Of course you would have zero issue, because you do not have to deal with the aftermath of making a comment that is critical of the PGA Tour.
Chris, you're absolutely right to question that line-of-sight ruling. As a matter of fact, i think if there were NO line-of-sight rulings allowed in PGAT golf today, it just MIGHT work towards solving the distance problem. How many times have we seen long wayward drives blocked out because of grandstands or whatever that got put up by the TV crews for the tournament just basically let the golfer get out of jail scot free? Having said that, i don't think i heard either of you mention the golfers having to finish in the dark. Not the first time it's happened, and the PGAT shouldn't make the final groups do it. It is a definite hinderance.
I can understand both sides of the argument with Kuchar. He could have just finished and saved everyone the time and aggravation, especially not being in contention(which he ultimately apologized for not doing). But I wasn’t there playing in the dark for a good amount of cash. So which is the right call 🤷 I just know I would have felt bad making everyone come back just for me but I’m not a pro golfer either 😂
Never really a Kuchar fan - but how much was at stake if he finished par vs bogey? If it's sizeable, considering the extremely slow pace of play, he was w/in his rights to finish the next day - then people should cut him some slack.
I can almost guarantee no volunteers were impacted by the Kuchar move. No need for Marshals, Hospitality, etc. Most of the grounds crew and tournament staff were going to be there the next day anyways to clean up & manage the sponsor scramble tournaments. At most it was an hour or so delay for their usual activities.
Concerning that ending bit about the club championship flub, something almost identical to this happened to me. i had just come off a birdie on the 14th hole (it was the first day of play), and our whole group strolled up to the 15th tee box. We've all played this course a million times so we knew where we were gong - the cart path basically takes you right to the tee box to hit your next shot. We were playing white tees (If you were in the championship flight on the final day, you'd have to play the blue tees which you actually have to always walk back to them and it's about 20-30 yards back). Anyway, I was pumped up so i jumped over there and teed off and hit a fantastic drive. The next guy in the group tees his ball up, and right before he addresses the ball he notices we were at the YELLOW TEES. What had happened was the superintendent had moved the yellow tees back to the normal white tees, and the white tees had been moved halfway back to the blue tees (the blue tees were the back tees, the yellow tees were the forward tees like most golf courses are set up)! I've played there 20 years and NEVER saw them do that before. I know it sounds idiotic, but the tee markers aren't big round colored balls here - they're basically small pieces of wood, and on the diagonal cut at the top of them is a small bit of paint in a 3"-4" circle identifying what they are. And they were aimed AWAY from us in the golf cart. I really felt rotten about it for a while, at least until Jordan Spieth and his playing partner screwed up and played the wrong tees in a PGA tournament one weekend :) In any case, lesson learned, it was my own fault for being careless and that's how i looked at it.
Im of the mind , know where you are and what your doing, so im no surprised that they didn' say anything.... but I would say somthing. It happens in pool a lot somone goes to hit the wrong ball,and you say hey wrong ball its a sportmanship thing.
Someone needs get one of these horns they use to stop play and attend Matts next tournament and on the tee at 18 Matt steps up and in the middle of his backswing we fire off a blast on the horn Hilarious!
Doesn't mean it wasn't a super shady application of the rules....and b/c there was virtually no one there to see it (or playing partners to question it), it goes relatively unnoticed.
Life thing!! Do to others as you would like them to do for you. Tell the guy he’s about to tee from the wrong teeing ground. I would expect that from my playing partners if it was me teeing up on the wrong tee. If you don’t and you win by one, is that a win?
A PGA rules instructor told his students that: "Golf is the only game where the proper interpretation of the rules will get you hated." ALL golfers take advantage of favourable rulings, all the time. Kuchar saw the opportunity and decided to take advantage of it. More power to him and that is why the rules are there.
If it was dark and he felt it was going to affect his ability to hit the shot, which it clearly was nobody even argues that then I don’t see the issue. It’s for over $100k. He doesn’t make the weather and set up the courses and decide when to postpone and control the slow play that caused it to begin with. I see zero hate for them even being allowed to be out there that late. The cameras give a false sense of how light it actually is. You weren’t reading a newspaper without a light.
I have never understood why officials don’t enforce pace of play and then turn around and nag other players for their choice of dealing with slow play. Start assessing penalty strokes for slow play.
It seems to me like the PGA should have just planned to play on Monday rather than have people playing 36+ holes and in darkness. Kuchar was in a bad spot and knew he was going to be taking relief, which would have taken several minutes and held up his playing partners, making them finish in even worse conditions. The PGA gave him the option to stop play, and he did the best thing for his fellow players, his caddie and himself. I don't see what the stink is about.
Kuchar is all about the money and very greedy. It's why he stiffed the caddy a few years ago who picked up his bag at a tour event that Kuchar ended up winning and he never gave the caddy a proper share. Only after the story broke did Kuchar make it right, just like this sh@t show. The guy had no chance at winning or advancing and he's a $45 million dollar career winner, yet he's so damn greedy that he made this decision to come back for 3 swings. What a tool....
Sorry guys, you couldn’t possibly be more wrong. There are rules of golf and he used the rules of golf to his advantage. I know you hate him for playing by the rules but he has every right to do it. If you are a volunteer pissed that you are asked to do what you have agreed to do, you are the douche.
All these comments about pace of play….carts improve pace of play especially during tournaments where play tends to be slower than your average casual rounds. Carts also allow more participation….especially in the senior flight.
Making this a secondary note: The leaders shot 64 and taking 6.5 hours to do so. Two weeks ago I played Pacific Dunes in a 40 yard wind ... shot 89, in 4 hours 20 minutes, and our group received THREE warnings about our slow pace of play. Holy $#!&, how can ANYONE stand playing SO SLOW as these tour prima donnas?!? The PGA Tour continues to fail those of us who try to maintain interest in their 'product'. Keep your eye on the prize, guys ... we need to fix the PGA Tour, not Matt Kuchar.
His caddie's pay check was better for it. Maybe the PGA should prove their product. Rai took 2 mins on a 4 ft putt😢
I despise slow play. Perhaps Kuchar was making a statement that they wouldn't be playing in the dark if the officials had done their job of keeping up the pace of play during the round. How about we make this fiasco even longer and we all come back tomorrow because you (Officials) can't keep up the pace of play? Great idea.
no effing way that’s what it was, but, as someone who always tries to look on the bright side myself, you sir are a master. 👏👏👏
If Kuchar had said exactly that, it would be an entirely different story...."Hey, we're on #18 tee and it's getting dark...apparently we can't get around this course in less than 5 1/2 hours....so if officials aren't going to enforce pace of play all day, why should I hurry up and finish?" That would have been fun.
@@GolfSpyC Either way, and I'm sure you're right, the result is the same; it didn't get done before dark.
@@rmmst49 You're right - but walking off does make a passive aggressive statement to the officials.
Thanks again for covering some LPGA players. I love the LPGA and Lydia is the Queen!
Lydia is the absolute best. So thrilled for her and it's well deserved!
Consider this: If Aaron Rai doesn't play at a snails pace, Kuchar finishes long before darkness.
I don’t blame Kuchar one bit. Lots of people are talking about how slow Rai was playing. If that guy played at a more reasonable pace, Kuchar probably would’ve finished on the same day in conditions that were fair to him. Why play in harder conditions when your card, paycheck, and your caddie’s paycheck is on the line, especially when people ahead of you are playing at a snail’s pace?
Don't know Kuchar, could be an ass. However, to be fair this should have not affected anyone's travel plans but Kuchar's. Finishing at night like that, the only people that would get out of there if possible is the scoreboard guys and the tv guys if they have an event the next week. Even then, it would be tough getting all that together in the dark. The bleachers, ropes, tents etc. would have been taken down over the next couple days (again, it's dark out). Out of town PGA officials and staff could have left. There is always some local PGA staff that supports the event. They could have handled a player finishing a hole. They didn't need volunteers for crowd control, tickets, parking etc., just close the course and have him finish the hole. Again, nobody was inconvenienced unless they chose to be.
Matt has a real gift for calling attention to himself in the most unfavorable way possible
Let's be clear about the Kuchar situation. Yes, this unfortunately negatively impacted the volunteers, however SOMEONE needs to start calling out the PGA Tour for their absolute mismanagement of ... everything ... ranging from event scheduling, to on-course rules administration. This actually called into sharp relief everything the PGA Tour is screwing up. They schedule events in areas of the country during their most unstable weather seasons due to 'tradition'; They place obstructions for the benefit of advertisers and technology that then force nonsensical rulings; They fail to enforce pace-of-play rules; They create slow and protracted play due to nonsensical course setup; They allow their television broadcasts to devolve into unwatchable and protracted dog****.
Sorry, Chris, you're wrong. Matt Kuchar is the hero we need, creating a single microcosm that highlights everything the PGA Tour is screwing up ... or he would be highlighting it if you were focused on the issues and not the single unfortunate hardship for a handful of volunteers. We should be talking about ... pace of play enforcement, course setup failures, tournament scheduling in general, and weather mismanagement specifically.
I have to say guys, most likely won’t read this anyway. As Tony’s probably sticking a finger up his butt hole saying Mizuno, Mizuno, Mizuno, left dash, left dash, left dash.
I have to agree with Kuchar. Until the PGA starts penalizing for slow play, start penalizing the PGA. If I were Kutcher in my next tournament, I would play unbearablely slow until they penalize me.
Then why not just say that? Kuchar is a veteran. He's made 60+ million or whatever in on course earnings. He doesn't need the paycheck. If he wanted to take a stance against slow play (which I'm sure many others would have supported) why run with that line of BS?
@@GolfSpyC there's been enough talk the last few years. PGA only responds to their bottom line being hit, LIV is the prime result. Rahm wanted more portapotties, he left, now they're every few holes.
No one is going to protest and say it is because of slow play, but the organizers and other leadership knew that was a shot across the bow.
I never played tournament golf in my life, but 6 1/2 hours for professional golfers. Seriously, do they call up meteorologists before each shot ... Also while I get the frustration on @GolfSpyC's part, the PGA Tour needs to obviously do a better job enforcing slow play. Then again why bother when you can run another 30 ads before showing perhaps 5 golf shots and then going back to commercials.The PGA Tour loves to go on about integrity, and they can't even enforce their own simple rules (slow play).
Matt played behind two 6 1/2 hour rounds, and was expected to finish the last two holes in the dark to please the authorities. I think he was right to invoke his right to stop.
Someone's got a real brain.
I would have had ZERO issue with Kuchar had he just said that...."Pace of play has been abysmal and had the PGA Tour enforced it, we wouldn't be in this situation...but yet, here we are..."
@@GolfSpyC Of course you would have zero issue, because you do not have to deal with the aftermath of making a comment that is critical of the PGA Tour.
Chris, you're absolutely right to question that line-of-sight ruling. As a matter of fact, i think if there were NO line-of-sight rulings allowed in PGAT golf today, it just MIGHT work towards solving the distance problem. How many times have we seen long wayward drives blocked out because of grandstands or whatever that got put up by the TV crews for the tournament just basically let the golfer get out of jail scot free?
Having said that, i don't think i heard either of you mention the golfers having to finish in the dark. Not the first time it's happened, and the PGAT shouldn't make the final groups do it. It is a definite hinderance.
I can understand both sides of the argument with Kuchar. He could have just finished and saved everyone the time and aggravation, especially not being in contention(which he ultimately apologized for not doing). But I wasn’t there playing in the dark for a good amount of cash. So which is the right call 🤷 I just know I would have felt bad making everyone come back just for me but I’m not a pro golfer either 😂
Never really a Kuchar fan - but how much was at stake if he finished par vs bogey? If it's sizeable, considering the extremely slow pace of play, he was w/in his rights to finish the next day - then people should cut him some slack.
Pace of play on pga tour is 100% to blame. Yet pga tour does nothing about it
I can almost guarantee no volunteers were impacted by the Kuchar move. No need for Marshals, Hospitality, etc. Most of the grounds crew and tournament staff were going to be there the next day anyways to clean up & manage the sponsor scramble tournaments. At most it was an hour or so delay for their usual activities.
and yet, it was 100% unnecessary.
Concerning that ending bit about the club championship flub, something almost identical to this happened to me. i had just come off a birdie on the 14th hole (it was the first day of play), and our whole group strolled up to the 15th tee box. We've all played this course a million times so we knew where we were gong - the cart path basically takes you right to the tee box to hit your next shot. We were playing white tees (If you were in the championship flight on the final day, you'd have to play the blue tees which you actually have to always walk back to them and it's about 20-30 yards back). Anyway, I was pumped up so i jumped over there and teed off and hit a fantastic drive. The next guy in the group tees his ball up, and right before he addresses the ball he notices we were at the YELLOW TEES. What had happened was the superintendent had moved the yellow tees back to the normal white tees, and the white tees had been moved halfway back to the blue tees (the blue tees were the back tees, the yellow tees were the forward tees like most golf courses are set up)! I've played there 20 years and NEVER saw them do that before. I know it sounds idiotic, but the tee markers aren't big round colored balls here - they're basically small pieces of wood, and on the diagonal cut at the top of them is a small bit of paint in a 3"-4" circle identifying what they are. And they were aimed AWAY from us in the golf cart.
I really felt rotten about it for a while, at least until Jordan Spieth and his playing partner screwed up and played the wrong tees in a PGA tournament one weekend :)
In any case, lesson learned, it was my own fault for being careless and that's how i looked at it.
11:00 Pro par all day...and the next morning 🤣⛳
SLOW PLAY ! The bane of golf EVERYWHERE !
Playing for thousands of dollars common ppl you want all the money 1 putt could be 50k to 500k difference. We all would take our time.
That's true...but it also isn't this situation.
Im of the mind , know where you are and what your doing, so im no surprised that they didn' say anything.... but I would say somthing. It happens in pool a lot somone goes to hit the wrong ball,and you say hey wrong ball its a sportmanship thing.
Someone needs get one of these horns they use to stop play and attend Matts next tournament and on the tee at 18 Matt steps up and in the middle of his backswing we fire off a blast on the horn Hilarious!
I could build a ship in a bottle in the time it takes Aaron Rai play a hole. The only Apex is from Ben Hogan.
Rule was there he used it🤷🏽♂️ don’t like it get the rules changed!
Doesn't mean it wasn't a super shady application of the rules....and b/c there was virtually no one there to see it (or playing partners to question it), it goes relatively unnoticed.
Douche Nozel? Perfect!!!!
Life thing!!
Do to others as you would like them to do for you.
Tell the guy he’s about to tee from the wrong teeing ground. I would expect that from my playing partners if it was me teeing up on the wrong tee.
If you don’t and you win by one, is that a win?
A PGA rules instructor told his students that: "Golf is the only game where the proper interpretation of the rules will get you hated." ALL golfers take advantage of favourable rulings, all the time. Kuchar saw the opportunity and decided to take advantage of it. More power to him and that is why the rules are there.
kuchar is an all time dbag amongst pro golfers, which means he might be the dbag goat
If it was dark and he felt it was going to affect his ability to hit the shot, which it clearly was nobody even argues that then I don’t see the issue. It’s for over $100k. He doesn’t make the weather and set up the courses and decide when to postpone and control the slow play that caused it to begin with. I see zero hate for them even being allowed to be out there that late. The cameras give a false sense of how light it actually is. You weren’t reading a newspaper without a light.
He said it was too dark to play several holes earlier...so why even hit the tee shot on #18 if that were true?
@@GolfSpyC He gave his reasons for that in an interview.
The guy trying to win the tournament didn’t mind….
I have never understood why officials don’t enforce pace of play and then turn around and nag other players for their choice of dealing with slow play. Start assessing penalty strokes for slow play.
being a dick is totally his prerogative, but that drop was CHEATING!
It seems to me like the PGA should have just planned to play on Monday rather than have people playing 36+ holes and in darkness. Kuchar was in a bad spot and knew he was going to be taking relief, which would have taken several minutes and held up his playing partners, making them finish in even worse conditions.
The PGA gave him the option to stop play, and he did the best thing for his fellow players, his caddie and himself. I don't see what the stink is about.
If the officials would enforce pace of play, finishing on Sunday wouldn't have been an issue IMO. That's the real issue.
@@GolfSpyC Either way, the problem is the PGA more than it is Kuchar.
Kuchar is all about the money and very greedy. It's why he stiffed the caddy a few years ago who picked up his bag at a tour event that Kuchar ended up winning and he never gave the caddy a proper share. Only after the story broke did Kuchar make it right, just like this sh@t show. The guy had no chance at winning or advancing and he's a $45 million dollar career winner, yet he's so damn greedy that he made this decision to come back for 3 swings. What a tool....
I thought letting them tap down spike marks was a good rule change. WRONG, worst rules change ever. Enough, no more tapping.
Sorry guys, you couldn’t possibly be more wrong. There are rules of golf and he used the rules of golf to his advantage. I know you hate him for playing by the rules but he has every right to do it. If you are a volunteer pissed that you are asked to do what you have agreed to do, you are the douche.
Can’t play 6 hr rounds. Can’t play in the dark. Bad take guys sorry not sorry
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6:32 to 11:53 the most asinine advocation of allowing 7 hour rounds. Jesus at least your golf ball reviews are unbiased.
Starting to question even that.
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That's a TH-cam thing...nothing we can do about it.
Carts at a club championship? Sorry, walking should be required.....
let em ride. you should always walk, and then when you get the chance to ride you’ll be a lot stronger and your play will improve for those rounds.
I've heard this perspective from others....but never with any good reason. Would love to understand why it should be required.
All these comments about pace of play….carts improve pace of play especially during tournaments where play tends to be slower than your average casual rounds. Carts also allow more participation….especially in the senior flight.
Making this a secondary note: The leaders shot 64 and taking 6.5 hours to do so. Two weeks ago I played Pacific Dunes in a 40 yard wind ... shot 89, in 4 hours 20 minutes, and our group received THREE warnings about our slow pace of play. Holy $#!&, how can ANYONE stand playing SO SLOW as these tour prima donnas?!? The PGA Tour continues to fail those of us who try to maintain interest in their 'product'. Keep your eye on the prize, guys ... we need to fix the PGA Tour, not Matt Kuchar.
patrick reed vs kuchar for king dbag…fight!!!
how quickly people forget Rory Sabatini