Curious on why you have your cartridges positioned that way on the headshell? That might be a contributing factor to why you are breaking needles. I always align mine with a stevenson protractor for s shaped tonarms.
@Mārtiņš Penegs this is not what we are doing though. You angle them this way for increased tracking that is needed for scratching. That tutorial is the correct way to do it for listening
So I got my Tonar 267's - a pair - both have right channel 3dB louder than the other. So they would be fine for DVS but not at all good for actual vinyl. There is also a Japanese brand called 'EMJ' on ebay, however they won't give specs. Will look at the TEI, but thinking I'll probably get Jico DJ Improved or Skratch next, even though double the price, since people seem to have the least amount of issues with them. Also I actually just bent my styli back gently with my fingers, and I didn't break it and they look straight now and play fine. Not bad :)
@@CJScratch Ah Right, Actually I was looking for an alternative to the JICO brand, due to the actual cost, and Personally, the few I have seen are not the best in quality. Gonna try the Tonar Brand, It's a shame SHURE discontinued such a handy item. Back in the day, I used the Stanton Carts, Also Discontinued. Perhaps there is a good market for a US or UK Brand to make some replacments?
Anyone compare the Tonar no 267 (1.5-3g) to the Jico N447 (1.5-3g, no stylus guard) or Jico N447 DJ/Club (3.5-4.5g, stylus guard on the 'Improved' versions)? I want the stylus guard but I want 1.5-3g tracking force.. anyone compare the three main options - Tonar no 267, Jico N447 and Jico N447 DJ? I worry that they even made a 'DJ' version with high tracking force.. the 'vanilla', if a faithful reproduction of the Shure N447, SHOULD track and scratch just fine between 1.5-3g. If you need to have a different version that tracks at 3.5-4.5g (recommended.. maybe need even higher for a loud venue and scratching??), doesn't that indicate that the 'vanilla' versions DON'T track well at 1.5-3g when DJing/scratching?? Makes me worried. I still can 't figure out if the Tonar is a rebrand of the Jico either, but the Tonar is a bit cheaper for me to try. And if I try Jico, should I get the vanilla or DJ Improved variant.. if the vanilla doesn't work well, I'd 'have' to get the DJ Improved. But I DO NOT want to track at 3.5-4.5g+ force.. a reason why I don't use Ortofons.
I see you're recommending the Jicos in the comments. As a heads-up, there is a store in Tokyo called Plant Records that sells a stylus called "Skratch" that's made by Jico for them. It includes the stylus guard, though, and they work out to be a little cheaper after shipping to the States.
they track at 3.5-4.5g though, compared to the vanilla Tonar & Jico... anyone compare the Tonar and Jico?? Can't get a firm word if the Tonar are rebranded Jico's or not.. Tonar No 267. Beware the 'Skratch', 'DJ' and 'Club' versions, as they are all 3.5-4.5g for the N447 versions.. unless you like running 4-5g lol. I am hoping the vanilla (1.5-3g) work fine for scratching..
I found them cheaper than jico's -a half of jico's price-, there is Dealer here in my country. However i still got a pair of Shure needles, but its time to think in the future. I was thinking about Ortofon but, as many of Djs, I love the look of shure cartrige and Needle; It's for me, the Turntablism clasic Needle. I already test another Generic N-44 and, in DVS you, can Scratch well as you use relative mode. But vinyl is a different story. And Beatjuggle Its impossible even in DVS. You tested on regular vinyl as i heard, but, did you try some tricks? Fast backspining, and rapid changes nothing so extreme. If you really feel there is just a lil difference, then Tei is a really really nice option. Peace!!
Well, i also bought a pair of TEI, and i was happy when i saw this video , but its the only review on the internet about those. now i own them, i was at first very happy but after playing some records i do have quite a lot of skipping while cueing, and im curious if any of you had the same problem?
the TEI needles have a long break in process I used the TEI needles for a good amount of time with good results. a few months after my initial purchase of the TEI brand I received a free Pair of the JICO N44-7 needles to test. i found the Jico N44-7 were a lot more dependable and handled more like the SHURE brand ... TEI are decent but I strongly recommend the JICO overall ..
@@CJScratch so i guess 1 year later we can agree TEi needles are proper CRAP, i've bought jicos now i could afford them, but this past year has been rough with these cheap and bad needles. they ruined some of my records and the sound quality turned bad right away. i will not say dont buy it because they are no longer in business and thanks !!
@@yvanflodin so the TEI's are no longer in business? Also I'm finding new old stock SURE n44-7 on the webs, and the price is negligible compared to the jico brand, so why buy aftermarket when original is available?
i am skeptical. i own a pair of jico and there an not so good. i tested my needels with the hydroponic and bubble taps , the jico skipped every time i preformed both scratches. also using a skippless record did not much for credibility of your test.
These are not the JICO replacements these are made by a columbian company called TEI ... They have been a great alternative for the m447 replacement stylus ... I recommend them
@Klaus killski Got me a pair of JiCo N44-7 Stylus (with flip guard) and they are DOPE !!! definitely THE best alternative for the Shure cartridges ... I am really surprised to see you saying they crap...maybe you need to use a stylus precise scale to re-adjust the weight of your tonearm?
did you use the 1.5-3g Jico or the 'Dj/Club' 3.5-4.5g version? Did you use the 'older' version that came out a year or so ago, called like 'Lumino' etc?
JICO is the best after-market stylus for the M44-7 as well as many other Shure cartridges.
@@Paulorp1979 do you have a link?
Curious on why you have your cartridges positioned that way on the headshell? That might be a contributing factor to why you are breaking needles. I always align mine with a stevenson protractor for s shaped tonarms.
It simulates a straight tone arm and helps with tracking. Wears the record out a little faster though
@Mārtiņš Penegs this is not what we are doing though. You angle them this way for increased tracking that is needed for scratching. That tutorial is the correct way to do it for listening
So I got my Tonar 267's - a pair - both have right channel 3dB louder than the other. So they would be fine for DVS but not at all good for actual vinyl. There is also a Japanese brand called 'EMJ' on ebay, however they won't give specs. Will look at the TEI, but thinking I'll probably get Jico DJ Improved or Skratch next, even though double the price, since people seem to have the least amount of issues with them. Also I actually just bent my styli back gently with my fingers, and I didn't break it and they look straight now and play fine. Not bad :)
Where can I get hold of thase stylus??
get the jico brand they are better quality
@@CJScratch Ah Right, Actually I was looking for an alternative to the JICO brand, due to the actual cost, and Personally, the few I have seen are not the best in quality. Gonna try the Tonar Brand,
It's a shame SHURE discontinued such a handy item. Back in the day, I used the Stanton Carts, Also Discontinued.
Perhaps there is a good market for a US or UK Brand to make some replacments?
Anyone compare the Tonar no 267 (1.5-3g) to the Jico N447 (1.5-3g, no stylus guard) or Jico N447 DJ/Club (3.5-4.5g, stylus guard on the 'Improved' versions)? I want the stylus guard but I want 1.5-3g tracking force.. anyone compare the three main options - Tonar no 267, Jico N447 and Jico N447 DJ? I worry that they even made a 'DJ' version with high tracking force.. the 'vanilla', if a faithful reproduction of the Shure N447, SHOULD track and scratch just fine between 1.5-3g. If you need to have a different version that tracks at 3.5-4.5g (recommended.. maybe need even higher for a loud venue and scratching??), doesn't that indicate that the 'vanilla' versions DON'T track well at 1.5-3g when DJing/scratching?? Makes me worried. I still can 't figure out if the Tonar is a rebrand of the Jico either, but the Tonar is a bit cheaper for me to try. And if I try Jico, should I get the vanilla or DJ Improved variant.. if the vanilla doesn't work well, I'd 'have' to get the DJ Improved. But I DO NOT want to track at 3.5-4.5g+ force.. a reason why I don't use Ortofons.
I see you're recommending the Jicos in the comments. As a heads-up, there is a store in Tokyo called Plant Records that sells a stylus called "Skratch" that's made by Jico for them. It includes the stylus guard, though, and they work out to be a little cheaper after shipping to the States.
the Skratch Needles are a great option as well
they track at 3.5-4.5g though, compared to the vanilla Tonar & Jico... anyone compare the Tonar and Jico?? Can't get a firm word if the Tonar are rebranded Jico's or not.. Tonar No 267. Beware the 'Skratch', 'DJ' and 'Club' versions, as they are all 3.5-4.5g for the N447 versions.. unless you like running 4-5g lol. I am hoping the vanilla (1.5-3g) work fine for scratching..
Isn’t the cartridge twisted like that hard on the grooves ?
you mean kicked off to the side it just basically mimics a straight arm turntable for better skip resistance
I found them cheaper than jico's -a half of jico's price-, there is Dealer here in my country. However i still got a pair of Shure needles, but its time to think in the future. I was thinking about Ortofon but, as many of Djs, I love the look of shure cartrige and Needle; It's for me, the Turntablism clasic Needle. I already test another Generic N-44 and, in DVS you, can Scratch well as you use relative mode. But vinyl is a different story. And Beatjuggle Its impossible even in DVS. You tested on regular vinyl as i heard, but, did you try some tricks? Fast backspining, and rapid changes nothing so extreme. If you really feel there is just a lil difference, then Tei is a really really nice option. Peace!!
yes i did try they tracked ok but i will say i'm a bigger fan of the JICO needles .. ortofon needles are good as well i have the qbert edition
Well, i also bought a pair of TEI, and i was happy when i saw this video , but its the only review on the internet about those. now i own them, i was at first very happy but after playing some records i do have quite a lot of skipping while cueing, and im curious if any of you had the same problem?
the TEI needles have a long break in process I used the TEI needles for a good amount of time with good results. a few months after my initial purchase of the TEI brand I received a free Pair of the JICO N44-7 needles to test. i found the Jico N44-7 were a lot more dependable and handled more like the SHURE brand ... TEI are decent but I strongly recommend the JICO overall ..
@@CJScratch so i guess 1 year later we can agree TEi needles are proper CRAP, i've bought jicos now i could afford them, but this past year has been rough with these cheap and bad needles. they ruined some of my records and the sound quality turned bad right away. i will not say dont buy it because they are no longer in business and thanks !!
@@yvanflodin so the TEI's are no longer in business?
Also I'm finding new old stock SURE n44-7 on the webs, and the price is negligible compared to the jico brand, so why buy aftermarket when original is available?
Where can I purchase on of these? I searched the web and can find a site that sells them
I GOT THESE FROM MILE HIGH DJ SUPPLY IN DENVER...
I’m late but eBay
Where can i get these from?
Ebay
How long they last thats normally the problem with copys they wear down quick
i will let you know as time goes on
hello friend, wouldn't it be a Normarh brand recorded in Colombia, for Tei?
I have had the chance to use the JICO brand replacements since recording this video and I highly recommend them one r the TEI BRAND
I’m down to 1 more back up pair and the pair on my cartridges are both bent bad😢
The TEI N44-7 needles are a good alternative
Just ordered a pr, how much tracking force do you recommend?
3 grams
3.5 grams
hello friend, where are you now selling this stylus?
go with the JICO N-447 its better
still got the pulse fader for sale in need of 1
yup head over to www.124c.org
bet
i am skeptical. i own a pair of jico and there an not so good. i tested my needels with the hydroponic and bubble taps , the jico skipped every time i preformed both scratches. also using a skippless record did not much for credibility of your test.
These are not the JICO replacements these are made by a columbian company called TEI ... They have been a great alternative for the m447 replacement stylus ... I recommend them
@Klaus killski Got me a pair of JiCo N44-7 Stylus (with flip guard) and they are DOPE !!! definitely THE best alternative for the Shure cartridges ... I am really surprised to see you saying they crap...maybe you need to use a stylus precise scale to re-adjust the weight of your tonearm?
did you use the 1.5-3g Jico or the 'Dj/Club' 3.5-4.5g version? Did you use the 'older' version that came out a year or so ago, called like 'Lumino' etc?
Thanks for the video 🇧🇷
no problem... these are good but the JICO are better