IONIQ 28kWh owner here... Yes, it's the king of efficiency on low budget EV side. 200km highway driving, 250km on normal roads in spring/summer/autumn and 200km in winter. Heated seats and steering wheel is amazing right now ❄️
@@andreasvogel5186 yes, Jack's '4mi/kWh' would be horrific to me! I drove 429 miles (690km) largely in the cold, rain and wind in one day last February and it averaged 4.6mi/kWh (13.5 kWh/100 km). It's an astonishingly efficient EV.
@@FFVoyager yup, I can sometimes go as low as 3.8mi/kWh in my 2020 Ioniq, but I have to drive like a total mad man. When I look at new EVs I get put off that they aren't as efficient as my current EV.
Our used 2013 Leaf cost 8k in 2017, looked them up the other day and the cheapest you could get (with higher miles) was about 12k. Meanwhile, it's practically made us money to drive with mileage paid back and free charging. It's the GOAT!
Same experience with my used 2012 Mitsubishi i-MiEV, which I bought 7 years ago for around $7K with 18K miles on the odometer. I'm a city dweller who drives just a few miles a day, if that, and the car now has around 43K miles on it. If I bought the same car today - with ~40K miles already on it - it would cost about the same as what I paid. The original battery (like what's in the early Leaf: LMO cells, with nothing to speak of in the way of thermal management) faded in 2020. I got a free factory warranty replacement pack through the dealer without hassles. I put on a new set of front tires last year and will get a set for the rear fairly soon, but that's about it. So, I'm probably good to go through the end of this decade, when I hope to get a Sono Sion (I hope those guys make it to the market.) If I decide to hold onto the i-MiEV longer than that, I'd consider dropping the pack and putting in new cells.
I've found the same with my 2015 Leaf. Best investment of my life. It's like a rolling bank. I literally could not have survived financially without it. Having to continue on with a petrol car would have killed me. Especially in times like these.
For my fellow North Americans: Chevy Bolt EV. I have a 2017, purchased last year then got a new battery for the recall. "258" miles rated on the new battery, I paid $17k, payments about $325/mo. Hands-down best range/dollar value I could manage. New ones starting at ~$26k
I purchased my first 3 EV cars under 20k used and love them! eGolf,Mercedes B class and a 18 Nissan Leaf amazing cars with decent range for city driving
I've had my 2019 Bolt Premier since brand new and still love it. Reliable, silent, powerful, beautiful, practically maintenance-free, 450 km on a single charge in summer, about 350 km in winter. Thank you GM, you've created a masterpiece.
I have a 2013 Leaf that I bought back in 2018. I drive about 90-95% of my in-town miles with it, and love it. I've done two things to it in 4.5 years - a replacement tire following a puncture, and new wiper blades. I certainly can't say that about our family Volvos
I also have a 2013 Leaf tho I bought mine in 2016. I've put 75k miles on it and have had the exact same maintenance: a set of tires and wiper blades. Even the achilles heel problem of managing its tiny range would be minimal if there was a decent charging network. It cost me $9k with 20k miles on it, which was less than Civics and Corollas in similar condition. I suspect the low prices were due to rumors about battery degradation, and their values are no longer so depressed. I am at 79% battery SOH, and can confirm a winter range of about 55 miles.
If BMW had compromised on the suicide doors, then they would have on the use of CFRP, aluminium ladder chassis, plastic body panels -so they went all in! Truly an innovative and maybe unique vehicle. Can’t see me ever selling mine!
I am spoiled by my Ioniq 38kWh, I moved up from a 2007 Golf diesel, so it was a dramatic change. I bought mine from a dealer who didn't know much about EVs, they didn't even fully charge it when they gave it to me because they didn't know how to change the charge threshold. But that got me a good deal! £1k for a charging cable? £120 from Amazon!
I own a 38kW Ioniq and love the efficiency it achieves. It’s also more interesting to drive down our local country lanes than it’s looks will have you believe. We had the pleasure of using an I-Pace while our Ioniq was off the road; style, aura, interior presentation, performance and handling were better than anything we’d ever driven, but the range given the battery size was a bit of a letdown. I think I’d still have a used one if I couldn’t stretch to a new Ioniq 6.
My entry into the second hand EV market landed me with a Kona Electric. At £30k for the 64KW version, it was not really a cheap car, but prior to the release of the MG4, it or the Niro EV were the most range you could get for that kind of money. Technically they still are, because they have a bit more range than the MG4. I still think things are tough for people wanting to move into the EV market, but the amount of new EV's coming out now will make the second hand market a lot more approachable in the next few years. Things are not helped by really high second hand car values at the moment, but assuming that sorts itself out at some point, the future looks quite good.
A "mere buffoon"? I think not Jack - probably one of THE most informed and entertaining presenters on TH-cam today (and for the last umpteen years...) A great round-up - one with which I wholeheartedly agree, (having swapped my uncomfortable Model 3 for an Ioniq 5 last year) your reviews are superb and so helpful. Thanks a lot for your presence!
3:00 - I have a 2013 Leaf and while I was nervous about the 80ish mile range, it's been marvelous for me. My commute is about 30 miles round trip, so I don't even need to charge it every day.
@@Crazyblox Absolutely, the "Jaguar renaissance" launched in the middle of the last decade with the XE and the whole range of SUV has been a dismal failure. Horrible sales and tons of problems.
Hired an FPace a few years back… and the lane assist refused to turn on… not on a roads, motorways, back roads… no road was “suitable”. MG however… lane keeping does exactly what it should on a wide variety of roads.
Maybe in the UK it was different. In the states, the i-Pace had huge problems that dealers couldn't service partly because they lacked sufficient training, but also because Jaguar didn't know how to fix all the issues the cropped up. The early year i-Pace models were riddled with issues, from not being able to change to losing their charge over night. After such a massive failure coming out of the gate, people weren't willing to give them a second chance. I don't know if the later years were better, but you don't want to buy a first generation i-Pace, unless it comes with some kind of warranty.
Beware old model s's have a pretty slow infotainment system and upgrading it is not cheap, the same goes for maintenance in general. The free supercharging is unbeatable though. Also i do miss the Hyundai kona on this list, with it's excellent range and efficiency, comfortable ride and great battery preservation i would recommend one any day.
I hired a Kona for a week recently. I've seen reviews of it where the "journalist" has gone out of their way to be unprepared and use it as ineffectively as possible then claim it does less than 220 miles on a charge. I drove London to Nottingham and only ever stopped to empty my bladder or fill my stomach. Same for the journey back three days later. The car breezed it. I had so little need to top it up for the week that I charged it at free 7kw chargers because the opportunities arose as opposed to being necessary. It was showing consistently that it would do 300 miles on a charge with the vast majority of the driving being on motorways. The active cruise control and lane keeping combined was good enough to be almost indistinguishable from auto pilot on motorways. I do despair that people who should know better keep calling EVs expensive on the basis of a few criteria as opposed to the entirety of what the vehicle offers including cost of ownership savings. I'm happy with my 2015 Leaf and see no reason to change in the foreseeable future. But, the Kona (among others) seems to be a better bargain than they are often portrayed. I fully understand why it's so popular and well loved by it's owners. If the Kona was the base standard of all EVs then ICE vehicles would die out without a change in law being required.
The infotainment speed upgrade from Tesla is currently about half as expensive as it used to be and reasonably priced should one find the speed slower than they like.
I'm amazed that the 40kWh Leaf 2.0 is always overlooked in these lists. A 160 mile range, proper family sized 5 seater car with a really decent boot and loads of kit that you can pick up for around £18k. Yes, I get the risk that CHAdeMO is, but they're still putting out new rapid chargers with CHAdeMO connections.
Exactly - after five years enjoying a second-hand original Leaf, this year I upgraded to a second-hand 40KWh second-generation Leaf and that is also excellent value.
Maybe people have seen the reviews where the 40kwh (more like 36?) is affected by Rapid Gate even more than the 30kwh version, so they're put off the 40!?
@@michaelgoode9555 I kinda get your point, but the 110 mile range Hyundai is only a grand cheaper than the 160 mile range Leaf. I think it's more because they don't want to mention 2 Leaf editions in one video.
Thanks so much for collecting the Berlingo and dropping off our lovely new Toyota. You are such a good service and have really helped us to go Electric. The Berlingo was great and did us proud for over a year, trouble free, working daily, range stayed fairly constant even loaded up with bikes and tools. We even drove it to Wales and back from Brighton, 1000 miles in a week. Thanks again
I'm currently looking for a new to replace my now aging Polo BlueGT which is coming up to 10 years old. I did consider going for an older Tesla Model S, but then I checked how much the insurance would be... Bare in mind that I'm 38, almost 39 and have over 20 years no claims. The minimum quoted price was £1,100!!! That's just ridiculous.
Thank you Jack. I feel validated. My first 2 EVs are a used Leaf and a used Model S with over 100,000 miles on it. I drove the Tesla from California to New York and back. The battery and charging speed on this 7 year old car were great. And free supercharging!
Great video. In 2021 i bought a 2017 bolt ev and after the battery swap could not be happier. Well under 20k in the US and i got a reliable long range ev that i can take on long trips without thinking too much about it.
Sounding off because I bought a lease return electric car from a dealership in Texas: a 2018 Kia Soul. 21k mi. 30kWh Battery. 100 mi range. Paid $21k for it in June 2022 and it's GREAT! Quick, quiet, comfortable and FUN TO DRIVE! Costs me about $10/mo for electricity and almost NO maintenance costs. Note: I'm keeping the charge level in the middle third to try to extend the battery life.
@@WeatherManToBe the best I can guess on the pricing was it had been a leased vehicle and the dealership told me they we’re getting about 6 back a week that were getting new leases. The local market (Utah) was pretty soft on EVs at the time. Keep in mind this was 6 years ago.
What a great topic. Our second hand market is even more limited in Australia but I did just see a BMW i3 in Vic for $25K and photos of 205km range. So not terrible. Thanks Jack. 😊
i almost bought a used i3 a couple years ago. However, I live in the Western USA and I couldn't even make it to the next city. It was nice and I liked the price, but depending on where you live, range is the number 1 issue.
There are already TH-cam videos on battery pack refurbishments. Some were posted 3+ years ago...... A battery refurb can work out costing a fraction of a full replacement.
Charging cables are under £200 btw and not a “grand”. My Ioniq 2020 electric Premium SE with now 27000 miles still has 100% battery state of health and just been to Skye and surrounding areas of northern Scotland (800 miles in sub zero temps and it did 4.46 m/kWh with two adults, 2 border collies and all luggage! Great ev. My wife has a 2022 ID3 pro 58kw and loves it as well but never gets better than 3.7 m/kWh. Summer my Ioniq gets 5-6m/kWh
My 2014 Gen2 LEAF still holds 10 bars (~75% on LS) @152k Kms and I l live in a hot climate (PT). Still good for 110km range on a normal ride... My best deal! That car is already payed off!!
I'm glad you mentioned the Kia Soul EV because that's what I have, and it's the best car I have ever owned. It's a 2016 which I bought used in 2020 with about 18,000 miles on it for about $13,000. I average about 4.1 miles per kilowatt hour, which is pretty darn good considering it is basically shaped like a brick! Luckily I bought it just before the market went haywire around April of 2020. Great car.
@@b6s4shelter The "Electric Vehicle System"* is covered for 10 years however, including subsequent owners. I have confirmed this with Kia Consumer Relations. I'm good until December 31, 2026. * According to the warranty manual, "Electric Vehicle System" includes: - Electric motor - Gear drive unit - Battery Pack ("EV battery") - Electric Power Control Unit (EPCU) - On Board Charger (OBC)
I bought the original Ioniq 3 years ago (2019 model Premium SE). As I write this the UK is experiencing a cold snap (minus figures daily). My daily commute is roughly 20 miles each way. I got home today and still had 70 miles range. Probably the best car you could get for the money at the time imho. Definitely worth a look. Even in winter I get just under 5 mpKwh without driving particularly carefully.
@@hooloovooloo we've had the 38kwh premium for almost two weeks now and all I can say is that it's brilliant. The app works well and that extra 10kwh of battery is just wonderful in such an efficient car. In the snow last Sunday 0°c wet motorway and slushy side roads the whole family (4 fully grown slightly overweight 🤣 adults) went on a 135 mile trip to Wales (so lots of hills if you didn't know) and most of the journey was 67mph on motorway (cruise control). When we got there we had 8% and 20 miles left on the GOM and the car read 4.1m/kWh in the very worst of conditions and the heating was on 20°c set to auto so using full heat and AC when it needed. Our old 30kwh Leaf would have done 50 miles in those conditions at those speeds with 435 KG of passengers aboard. 3 times the range for an extra 8kwh is just simply amazing !
Great to hear Oliver. Larger battery wasn’t available when I bought mine but hoping to install a 500KWh solid state battery by the time the guarantee runs out! 😉
Great video Jack. Hey, what about an unsung hero - the Misubishi iMiev/Peugeot Ion/Citroen C0 (same car, different badge) - never seems to get a mention? Still available today, second hand £4k - £6k. I own a 2012 Peugeot Ion - I love it! 14kwh battery (tiny) still good for 50miles - perfect city car, cheap as chips!
Nissan leaf, every thing jack said. Range drop is a problem when it's cold mine does 5.3 miles per kw in the summer but 4.2 in winter But I love it. Make sure you get the 6kw AC charger and not the 3kw as chademo is not always available.
@@adsheff it does matter, you won't be able to charge a leaf up in the 4 hours octopus cheap energy overnight slot fully, if it is empty at 3 kw. You need a 6kw charger model to do that.
@@adsheff that's fine if you only charge at home. I regularly have to top up while out and about and chademo are not always available. Being able to charge at 6kw is more convenient if you are having to wait with the car
Something to keep in mind about the Zoe is that the pretty stylish design showed here belongs to the newer ZE50. The older models with smaller batteries resembles more something cheap out of the 1990s with tiny LCD screens slapped in. Those ones really did not age well on the inside.
Got our 50kw 2019 Zoe for 20k and love it. Rapid charging means we can take it on the long journeys. One word of warning when buying used cars from bigger sellers - quite often the staff are not knowledgable about rapid / fast charging. The only way to know for sure is to get the member of staff to take a photo of the actual charging port - showing the rapid charge (CCS) is actually there.
Owner of a blobby Kia Soul EV. What happened to the review? Despite being described as Postman Pat’s van, I love it. Got my 2016 model for £12,000 in March 2022 with 12,500 miles, still under Kia 7 year warranty. We have solar panels, so no charge for the charge 😊
@@Soulboy63 - I am no expert, but it seems EV batteries are not about mileage, they are about state of health, how well they hold the charge. After doing quite some research on Soul EVs, it seems there is/was a fault with some of the first edition batteries.
Nice. But how can you recommend a Zoe when recent models scored ZERO in the Euro NCAP safety tests (zero stars means "lacking critical modern safety technology")? Granted this is only for recent cars, but surely this warrants at least a mention?
There's a lady I work with who bought a used Model S, 2018 around 60k miles with the unlimited supercharging. I think she told me she is saving around 450 usd a month. It's her everyday, plus she drives 200 miles to work once a week. It still looks amazing, too!
Nice collection of cars. One thing on battery degradation: every battery degrades, that is unavoidable. BMWi3 is no exception, but thr amount matters. The early Leafs, Nyland shows, often have massive degradation beyond 20-25%, while Teslas and I think also the BMWi3 can stay below 10% even with many many miles/km on it. Most degradation anyway happens on the first 30-40000km.
I enquired about a used Tesla model S earlier this year, the Tesla dealer told me that they switch off that free lifetime charging function when they get the car into their stock. Only cars that have not been traded to a Tesla dealer still have the free lifetime charging. Check before you buy. (I bought an i3s instead, the Tesla was too big)
Having rented a number of Zoes over 3 years with ONTO, I then bought an immaculate 2013 Zoe 44k miles, met black, 17” alloys in March 2021 for £4k. Yes it had the battery lease but the option to buy the battery was £1,600 so would still be a cheap car. When I sold it a couple of months ago with 55k miles the battery state of health was showing 96%. I also sold my 2014 Kangoo ZE this summer still showing 100% SOH. I now have a 2016 Model S 85D which still has a range of 220-230 miles after 237,000 miles. And free supercharging for the win. I’ve never been able to charge at home over the last 4 years, but it’s not been much of a problem. And these low temperatures we are having now bring out the best of one of my favourite features - preheating
It's worth noting that Zoe's without fast charging can have incredible longevity. I've seen examples with single digit degradation after 100,000+ kms. Also the i3 REX has a small issue with fuel leaks over the exhaust that can cause a slight fire issue next to the battery. Also the REX engine cuts in early so they have less EV range than the pure EV version. What I'm saying is, buy the BEV, not the REX.
As a Rex owner, I can state that the engine cuts in automatically at around 6% battery SOC - though there is the option to 'manually' run the engine from anything under 75% SOC. And, whilst I drove a BEV model before getting my i3, I have absolutely no charger anxiety anymore...! On the plus side, in the year / 12,000 miles I've run the i3, I've only had to call on the Rex engine on 3 occasions so, basically, I run it as a pure BEV day-to-day. It's an absolutely wonderfully lightweight, efficient car and a piece of design excellence which, sadly, no other manufacturer (including BMW themselves) has had the foresight to remake... 😕
Awesome piece Jack. You are such a compelling presenter. Great picks, and prices. Something for everybody. Now I’m torn, Tesla Model S, or Jag? That own a piece of history is appealing, but the Jag is such a great performer!
I've been looking for a reasonably priced EV for my parents and I think last year's Citroen e-C4 would be perfect. At least here in Finland, there's quite a few top spec options all under 20k km driven priced at around 35k €, 10k less than new. It's supposedly really comfortable and quiet for the price and the specs are pretty decent all things considered, also not too big nor too small.
I just wish there was a CCS capable car for less than 15k. I mostly use my carsharing Zoe 52kwh, but even in carsharing spec those are still 20k or more to buy.
What about Mitsubishi i-Miev (and the identical Citroen C-zero and Peugeot ion)? Can be bought for less than 7k pounds, cheaper than a Nissan Leaf. Offers less comfort but who cares in case of a city stroller. Typically better remaining range after 10 years, as the battery has some thermal management. I just bought one for less than 4k euros...
I recently bought a 2019 e-niro (64kw)for a 24k (€), 21000 km, was 43k new, the best trim. Best car ever owned. I have the comfort the space and the range we need. We travelled all Europe without range anxiety or any other problem. ....well once the 12v battery died, I didn't close properly the boot and left the car for a week...😅.
No mention of the Peugeot Ion (aka Mitsubishi i miev or Citroën C zero). My wife has one. It cost £4k. It predates the Leaf and even has rapid charging with Chademo. It's 11 years old and still has 50 miles of range. Great shopping car.
I know your trying, but second hand market still too high compared to ice. The used electric car market is still immature. If I had a choice between 6500 grand on a low tec electric leaf. I could spend less than half of that on an ice and end up with a better car.
No mention of a Volkswagen e-Golf? The cheapest on Autotrader right now is 21k! And beat of all, it looks just like a normal car, it drives just like a normal car and it's so familiar you just won't even consider that it's electric... It's not in your face or weird looking... I was looking at buying one but chose a GTE advance, purely because the spec was far better.. 😅 but still!! The e-Golf should not be ignored...... Especially when you mention the e-Up!
Thank you. I was looking for some love for the E-golf 😅 It is such a simple car, well build and I couldn`t be happier about my 2020 E-Golf. It is still a very good used car buy, even though prices have been going up since I bought mine.
£6500 for a 24kwh Leaf with a range of 50 miles!!! Early i3, 80 miles for £14,500!!! Not exactly tempting, especially with electricity prices as they are. Not sure that a jag ipace at £38k can really be considered 'a bargain'.
I am in Ireland and considering a 3 year old ioniq. I am coming to the end of of a pcp finance and looking to go hire purchase on the ioniq. Repayments are about €100 extra per month but I think I will save that between tax and petrol. I go to the office maybe 2 times a week. It is just over 200km round trip. Won't be able to install a wall charger but there are chargers in petrol stations in the neighbouring towns and on the main road to and from the office.
Wonder what a US list would look like. Same players (minus Renault and the small vw's that never came here, with the chevy bolt in their place perhaps. Maybe a compliance car or two like the e-golf or focus electric? I do with we had a bit more brand and model variation here. Great video though.
On the other side of the pond, The Ford Focus Electric is a great 2nd car. With the active thermal management My wife's 2014 still has 63 of the original 75 miles. But the resistive heater drops winter range to about 50 miles. Add to that the 2012 to 15 model only had a J1772 charger restricts it's range. It cannot leave our valley. But it was only 10k.
It´s a shame that the Ioniq doesn´t get a direct successor. Using updated battery and charging tech would make for a very competetive package, in terms of real-world qualities at least. Sadly, you can´t ignore the mainstream appeal of SUVs that prevents manufacturers from making comapct and aerodynamic cars these days.
Thought: The Mk2 Ioniq 38kWh may share the battery with the 38kWh Kona. If the Kona can either be 38 or 64kWh then there could be a possibility that the Ioniq could take a 64kWh pack. As the Ioniq's are right up there efficiency-wise with owners seeing 5 miles per kWh then a Mk2 Ionic with a 64kWh pack could be a real-world 300mi + vehicle. Will hyundai make that? No. But it sure is nice to think about it. Perhaps some of the enterprising EV garages and tinkerers out there will find a way to make it happen! 🤞
Updated charging? The 'classic' Ionic will charge a touch under 70 kWh. With it's small pack that means you can plug in with sub-20% and grab a coffee and be ready to go as it will sometimes be at 80% before you get back to the car!
@@turbokadett there is a new direct replacement of you happen to be well off and can afford £55k the ioniq 6 is a low, long, streamlined aerodynamic car. The only difference being a fixed boot not a liftable hatchback style boot.
Huh! In March 2024, the bottom of the i3 market starts at £5k. These cars were well over £12k a year ago. How much cheap electricity can you charge into these to beat £7-8k depreciation of an old car?
Picked up a Peugeot Ion recently as a 2nd car to an electric SUV. It has no pre-heating, no heating whilst charging, a ridiculously small range and no clock, but it cost just £4.5k and the wife loves it to park.
I think that for pre-heating you just need to get that big remote controller (expensive, if you didn't get it with the car). And heating should work during charging but not during fast charging.
I had a 2nd hand Nissan Leaf on PCP from Nissan. It was a great car - plenty of room for 2 adults and 2 young children and a push-chair. It only had a range of 70 miles, but that's find for 95% of our driving, I hardly used my main car. I had it for 3 years - it held its value very well.
Really good Video Jack 👍 As a family we have a 2016 30kwh leaf that due to battery degradation is more like a new 24kWh now which our son is using as his first car and the Wife has a new Kia Soul with the 64kWh battery and she loves it. The leaf is a 2016 and is worth about 25% more now than when we brought it and the 21 plate Soul is worth nearly what we paid for it new. But in general all car values seem to have risen in the last couple of years perhaps with the chip shortage coming to an end we will see an influx of new cars which will then result in cheaper though not CHEAP EV's being available in a few years. Note to all when insuring your car check the current resale value as a lot of them have gone up and you could end up under insured which may lead to you getting an aggregated pay out if its a write off.
In july 2021, I bought a one year old E-Up ! that had only 9950 kms (6182mls) on the teller, and the big battery. (Are you sure Jack that the battery isn't the same as in the other ones ? I heard (on your channel) that they all had the 36kw/h battery, but that only 32kw/h were usable…). The home wallbox was included... This summer I drove 230kms (143mls) on the highway, at 110km/h (68mls/h) with the aircon on. The best 17500€ (15044£) I ever spent !
Literally researched this last weekend. For me the best option is used tesla model 3, however that's because I'm being a bit snobby about the Leaf and Zoe - which are incredible value for money. I'm not convinced by the old model S, definitely would worry about something expensive going wrong with it!
We had a Model 3 in the states and now we have a Zoe in France. The Zoe is a great little car, but it is no Tesla. We miss so many things about our Model 3, which was the best car I've ever driven. Enjoy your Tesla!
@@Mykle1AZ Thanks for your insight! My preference is for a Polestar but they're just too expensive at the moment compared to the Model 3 and other options.
Why are there no range booster batteries you can plugin to your ev when you need extra range and the rest of the time serves as a house battery like a power wall?
You should do a 2024 update on this video. Comparing the prices through the video to now is showing an impressive drop in price since this video was released.
I know someone who gave up on their Jaguar I-Pace, because it spent more time in the garage with them scratching their heads as to why it wouldn't work.
Opel Ampera Chevrolet Volt is the best bargai you can get, it has as much range as a leaf and is a fantastic car despite being hybrid cheap reliable and can cover most of your trips running electric no real difference from an BMW i3 extender
From the Tesla website: Any credits for free Supercharging that are given with the purchase of a vehicle, including any annual renewal of credits, expire upon the sale or transfer of the vehicle and are not transferable to any subsequent vehicle owner, or to any other vehicle.
Thanx for this vid! I own a 2019 VW E-GOLF and I kind of miss it in your list. It is a great car, well available in the used market, well, at least in the Netherlands, in Germany and in Norway.
I bought a cat S damaged Leaf for £2.6k, fixed myself and cost me total of £3.5k fully MOT'd on the road. Range is crap, 40-50 miles but I drive 25 miles to work and get free charging.
Great video. Whilst not a full EV, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV can be had for under £10k now. My 2014 model with 170k miles is faultless and very cheap to run - still get near the claimed electric range, which is adequate for most journeys. No plans to change it any time soon.
14:59 - 15:05 you have to give Fully Charged credit for the quality of filming. Pushing powerful ideas into people minds with recurrent visions such as this one: a slick electric car and wind turbines in the background… 😍😉
That was here in Orkney , i was driving the little Peugeot I-on with the camerman ( mark) in the boot with the tailgate open , fun times back in 2017 !
On the i3 - the range extender is by far the least reliable component of the i3. If you want reliability, go for the battery-only model. One of the biggest problems is that if you don't use the range extender often enough, it can seize. So people who did 99% of their driving solely on electric may have a bad range extender now. It's supposed to go through a "maintenance cycle" every few months if it isn't used, but that may not be enough, and it could have broken since the last time it ran that cycle. I'd only go for a range extender model if you absolutely _need_ the petrol/gasoline backup occasionally for some reason, but otherwise the i3 would be perfect. (Once a month you drive 300 miles on a route with zero EV charging.) Even then, I'd make sure you buy one from the original owner, and that owner states that they used the range extender regularly. (I set a calendar reminder to "use up range extender tank" once every 3 months just in case I hadn't taken a trip that needed it in that time.)
I have been looking at the possibility of buying a second hand Tesla model S. It is almost impossible to be sure that the second hand model S you buy will actually keep it's free supercharging. It certainly doesn't if you buy from Tesla themselves. Also a word of warning on 'out of warranty' repairs on older model S's - these can be VERY expensive and you will only get a reconditioned part. My conclusion is either buy a new model 3 or the basic MG4.
The smart ED & smart EQ is noticeably missing from this video.. They were sold *brand new* for less than Chevy Bolts, we’re offered in convertible form, joining the Tesla Roadster as the only convertible EV’s one could buy, can navigate a city like no other, made clever use of its interior space easily accommodating passengers over 6’ tall, included an innovative tailgate/hatch with hidden storage for easy cargo access, turns heads to this day for being cuter than it’s legally allowed to be, and is a lot of fun to drive. Coupled with a Mercedes Trideon Safety Cell, swappable body panels in fantastic colors, and the ability to park just about anywhere, it offers a unique vehicle combination not found anywhere else. It’s really hard not to smile when driving the electric smart as it’s just so fun to toss around town and is so much better of a car than its petrol equivalents. Much like the trio of compact EV’s Jack mentioned in this video, some used smart electrics are still being sold for close to their original new price as more people find out just how great these cars are for local runabouts, however, the occasional bargain can be found with models with higher mileage, and should still be good for around 60 miles of mixed driving if the battery was well cared for. 60’ish miles of max range may not be enough for those needing to commute outside their city, but for those who only occasionally head out of town, I’ve found it’s more than enough for most trips. And given it takes about as much space as two motorcycles parked next to each other, one can fit two of these in about the same space as one family sedan. Most trips consist of a single occupant, so vehicles like these make a lot of sense and the electric smart was deservingly awarded the greenest car of the year in 2014 for its efficiency, low overall carbon footprint, and vehicle practicality. Less practical however, is it’s L2 J1772 3kW max charge rate if needing to charge away from home. Mercedes/smart marketed this car as a city commuter and likely decided that most drivers wouldn’t likely use this vehicle for longer trips, thus, eliminating DCFC from being offered. Additionally, the 17.6kWh battery pack sits just small enough to not warrant DC charging, but just big enough where AC charging still takes a long time at J1772 stations and really best suited for home charging with the occasional top off on the road. The 2014 smart electric drive I own has been a great daily city commuter and should be on someone’s radar if shopping for a Nissan Leaf or a Fiat 500e, as these have similar range and price points. It bears noting, the smart’s short and narrow wheel base makes for a bumpy ride on rough roads in comparison to these other two vehicles. If buying a very low priced EV is the goal, coincidentally, the shorter range and slower charge rate of vehicles like the smart electric are what helps make used vehicles like these affordable and could be the bargain one is looking for if as long as you can charge from home and fit daily drives within 60 miles. It may take some searching, but occasionally a 500e or smart electric can be found for about what Leaf’s are going for, though, a Leaf may get you back on the road faster if you can find a ChadeMo. I have a friend that bought two Leaf’s for his college kids for around 5k each and function well fit their intended purpose. Lastly, like the smart electric, an used Mercedes B class electric or older eGolfs are also potentially good city commuters as long as you can live with their relatively short ranges and J1772 charge limitations. Coupled with our smart electric, are two long range electrics. Used short range/slow charging EV’s have their purpose and place, but hard to justify buying if close to the price of a brand new Bolt. The price point of a 2023 Bolt, however, should result in older EV’s becoming more affordable.
I bought my MG5 brand new at a discount rate for £22500. 2 years ago . So some of these used prices seem too high for me especially £19k for a used VW Up . I sold the MG5 a year later for £21k with 6k miles . Car was great , but infrastructure in the southwest is poor ,it’s slowly improving but not enough to get another EV yet for long distance, maybe another 5 years ? I still want another EV but one for local trips . Ideally an EV version of my Smart car which is a hoot to drive around the narrow Cornish roads , but they are still very expensive. I will always remember the feeling of relief and joy when a charger was free and working lol. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Mitsubishi I MiEV for around £5k , some with less than 15k miles .
That actually obvious nonsense. At some point people would have made EVs, and it would have been before now. So yes, even in a slightly different world without those specific cars there would still be EVs today.
You can buy a slightly used dacia spring for about 14-15k euro... and there are people who will facilitate this and deliver it to you throughout europe but not on a full sale contract... initially on a lease thing contract and eventually you can have it outright when the sale embargo ends a year from the first sale... one of the easiest ways to get an ev nowadays when demand far outstrips production... and one major advantage of the spring is the battery is rated down to 70% not 80% like all other manufacturers
Don't forget you can convert almost any old patrol car (that you bought for 500 Euros) to an EV for about 5000 Euros for a battery pack that will give you more than 100 miles of range. You can always add more. There's even Open Source Autonomous Driving System, Lane Keeping Assist and even Autonomous Breaking and Adaptive Cruise Control that you can add to your car, pretty easily. Add a big iPad and you'll get a fully capable, modern infotainment screen. An OBD II BT adapter (99$ on Amazon) will add more live data to your main screen, just like in a modern EV. You can also add BT TPS (tire pressure sensors) to get live info on your tires. The list goes on and on. You can add almost everything available in new cars. The easier, more logical thing to do, is to add a little money and get an old Leaf or a Prius.
A Zoe for me, please! - Good to hear that you think the ZE40 is the one to go for, because that is the one that soon will be within reach for me - next year... just need to save a few thousand more... (they are typically around 200 000 Swedish Kronas)
Great video Jack. This subject will become very important in the near future....little later here in Australia though as basically no second hand EVs here at present. 👍
15:00 the battery degradation still holdds true for me because we (my family) drife the 150k miles in less then 3 years and not in over 7 so we would need to change the battery really fast
For Model S, 2015 was the first year with dual motors and Autopilot, but not Full Self Driving which was after 2016. 2016 was when they changed the front end. Free charging for life ended after the 2016. For 2017 and after any free charging applied to the owner, but not the car. I have a 2015 I bought used from Tesla when they used to sell them with a full new car warranty. Now they give one year or 10,000 miles on top of any original warranty, so my car had a full bumper to bumper warranty until 87,000 miles. I only had minor things like a door handle and a headlight bulb though. American drivers should also check out used Chevy Bolts which are a raging deal since they all had new batteries put in in the last year or two. They have more range than new.
IONIQ 28kWh owner here... Yes, it's the king of efficiency on low budget EV side. 200km highway driving, 250km on normal roads in spring/summer/autumn and 200km in winter. Heated seats and steering wheel is amazing right now ❄️
There's French TH-cam Channel, @LaChaineEV, that benchmarks EVs in efficiency against the Ionic 28. No car has beaten it.
200 km on the highway is good. What kind of tyres do you use? I have all season tyres and don't even get 200 km in summer. 😀
@@andreasvogel5186 yes, Jack's '4mi/kWh' would be horrific to me! I drove 429 miles (690km) largely in the cold, rain and wind in one day last February and it averaged 4.6mi/kWh (13.5 kWh/100 km). It's an astonishingly efficient EV.
@@mycomment1862 Very worn out Michelin Energy Saver. For next season I'm switching to E.Primacy.
@@FFVoyager yup, I can sometimes go as low as 3.8mi/kWh in my 2020 Ioniq, but I have to drive like a total mad man. When I look at new EVs I get put off that they aren't as efficient as my current EV.
Our used 2013 Leaf cost 8k in 2017, looked them up the other day and the cheapest you could get (with higher miles) was about 12k. Meanwhile, it's practically made us money to drive with mileage paid back and free charging. It's the GOAT!
Same. But my Zoe beginning of this year and it is now worth 2-4 thousand more.
Is the Leaf a 30kwh
Same experience with my used 2012 Mitsubishi i-MiEV, which I bought 7 years ago for around $7K with 18K miles on the odometer. I'm a city dweller who drives just a few miles a day, if that, and the car now has around 43K miles on it. If I bought the same car today - with ~40K miles already on it - it would cost about the same as what I paid.
The original battery (like what's in the early Leaf: LMO cells, with nothing to speak of in the way of thermal management) faded in 2020. I got a free factory warranty replacement pack through the dealer without hassles. I put on a new set of front tires last year and will get a set for the rear fairly soon, but that's about it. So, I'm probably good to go through the end of this decade, when I hope to get a Sono Sion (I hope those guys make it to the market.) If I decide to hold onto the i-MiEV longer than that, I'd consider dropping the pack and putting in new cells.
@@billyray323 30kWh Leaf didn't arrive till 2016
I've found the same with my 2015 Leaf. Best investment of my life. It's like a rolling bank. I literally could not have survived financially without it. Having to continue on with a petrol car would have killed me. Especially in times like these.
For my fellow North Americans: Chevy Bolt EV. I have a 2017, purchased last year then got a new battery for the recall. "258" miles rated on the new battery, I paid $17k, payments about $325/mo.
Hands-down best range/dollar value I could manage. New ones starting at ~$26k
I purchased my first 3 EV cars under 20k used and love them! eGolf,Mercedes B class and a 18 Nissan Leaf amazing cars with decent range for city driving
I've had my 2019 Bolt Premier since brand new and still love it. Reliable, silent, powerful, beautiful, practically maintenance-free, 450 km on a single charge in summer, about 350 km in winter. Thank you GM, you've created a masterpiece.
I have a 2013 Leaf that I bought back in 2018. I drive about 90-95% of my in-town miles with it, and love it. I've done two things to it in 4.5 years - a replacement tire following a puncture, and new wiper blades. I certainly can't say that about our family Volvos
I just paid 833 quid for my ICE minis engine maintenance!
I also have a 2013 Leaf tho I bought mine in 2016. I've put 75k miles on it and have had the exact same maintenance: a set of tires and wiper blades. Even the achilles heel problem of managing its tiny range would be minimal if there was a decent charging network. It cost me $9k with 20k miles on it, which was less than Civics and Corollas in similar condition. I suspect the low prices were due to rumors about battery degradation, and their values are no longer so depressed. I am at 79% battery SOH, and can confirm a winter range of about 55 miles.
The original Leaf was a design classic and still is. Like the i3, the designers threw convention out of the window and I applaud them for it!
It's people like you who the petrol heads point to and say "see, EV owners have no class"
The leaf is a play dough factory accident
Nope. It's still froggy and weird though distinctive. i3 is also strange and should have been a 4 door, not a 2.5.5 door.
If BMW had compromised on the suicide doors, then they would have on the use of CFRP, aluminium ladder chassis, plastic body panels -so they went all in! Truly an innovative and maybe unique vehicle. Can’t see me ever selling mine!
I am spoiled by my Ioniq 38kWh, I moved up from a 2007 Golf diesel, so it was a dramatic change. I bought mine from a dealer who didn't know much about EVs, they didn't even fully charge it when they gave it to me because they didn't know how to change the charge threshold. But that got me a good deal!
£1k for a charging cable? £120 from Amazon!
Happy with my 4300 golf mrk6 tsi
950 km range in winter
@@theowink good for you, I am glad for my upgrade
I own a 38kW Ioniq and love the efficiency it achieves. It’s also more interesting to drive down our local country lanes than it’s looks will have you believe. We had the pleasure of using an I-Pace while our Ioniq was off the road; style, aura, interior presentation, performance and handling were better than anything we’d ever driven, but the range given the battery size was a bit of a letdown. I think I’d still have a used one if I couldn’t stretch to a new Ioniq 6.
Thanks Jack for a swift but clear roundup of the used-EV models.
YES! More affordable transport sollution videos, please!
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My entry into the second hand EV market landed me with a Kona Electric. At £30k for the 64KW version, it was not really a cheap car, but prior to the release of the MG4, it or the Niro EV were the most range you could get for that kind of money. Technically they still are, because they have a bit more range than the MG4.
I still think things are tough for people wanting to move into the EV market, but the amount of new EV's coming out now will make the second hand market a lot more approachable in the next few years. Things are not helped by really high second hand car values at the moment, but assuming that sorts itself out at some point, the future looks quite good.
A "mere buffoon"? I think not Jack - probably one of THE most informed and entertaining presenters on TH-cam today (and for the last umpteen years...) A great round-up - one with which I wholeheartedly agree, (having swapped my uncomfortable Model 3 for an Ioniq 5 last year) your reviews are superb and so helpful. Thanks a lot for your presence!
3:00 - I have a 2013 Leaf and while I was nervous about the 80ish mile range, it's been marvelous for me. My commute is about 30 miles round trip, so I don't even need to charge it every day.
Ioniq's have shown to lose almost no milage with time either, the most I've seen lost is about 10~20 miles after hundreds of thousands of miles.
I’m an ex ipace owner. It’s efficiency was embarrassing and jaguar removed lane assist as it was so dangerous….
I think that's a jag problem, not an EV problem
@@Crazyblox Absolutely, the "Jaguar renaissance" launched in the middle of the last decade with the XE and the whole range of SUV has been a dismal failure. Horrible sales and tons of problems.
@@luca7069 2014 F Type was a great car
Hired an FPace a few years back… and the lane assist refused to turn on… not on a roads, motorways, back roads… no road was “suitable”.
MG however… lane keeping does exactly what it should on a wide variety of roads.
And it was even car of the year in 2019...
Maybe in the UK it was different. In the states, the i-Pace had huge problems that dealers couldn't service partly because they lacked sufficient training, but also because Jaguar didn't know how to fix all the issues the cropped up. The early year i-Pace models were riddled with issues, from not being able to change to losing their charge over night. After such a massive failure coming out of the gate, people weren't willing to give them a second chance. I don't know if the later years were better, but you don't want to buy a first generation i-Pace, unless it comes with some kind of warranty.
Beware old model s's have a pretty slow infotainment system and upgrading it is not cheap, the same goes for maintenance in general. The free supercharging is unbeatable though. Also i do miss the Hyundai kona on this list, with it's excellent range and efficiency, comfortable ride and great battery preservation i would recommend one any day.
At least you can upgrade. Same with CCS charging. Try getting these upgrades with any other manufacturer
I hired a Kona for a week recently. I've seen reviews of it where the "journalist" has gone out of their way to be unprepared and use it as ineffectively as possible then claim it does less than 220 miles on a charge. I drove London to Nottingham and only ever stopped to empty my bladder or fill my stomach. Same for the journey back three days later. The car breezed it. I had so little need to top it up for the week that I charged it at free 7kw chargers because the opportunities arose as opposed to being necessary. It was showing consistently that it would do 300 miles on a charge with the vast majority of the driving being on motorways. The active cruise control and lane keeping combined was good enough to be almost indistinguishable from auto pilot on motorways.
I do despair that people who should know better keep calling EVs expensive on the basis of a few criteria as opposed to the entirety of what the vehicle offers including cost of ownership savings. I'm happy with my 2015 Leaf and see no reason to change in the foreseeable future. But, the Kona (among others) seems to be a better bargain than they are often portrayed. I fully understand why it's so popular and well loved by it's owners. If the Kona was the base standard of all EVs then ICE vehicles would die out without a change in law being required.
The infotainment speed upgrade from Tesla is currently about half as expensive as it used to be and reasonably priced should one find the speed slower than they like.
I'm amazed that the 40kWh Leaf 2.0 is always overlooked in these lists. A 160 mile range, proper family sized 5 seater car with a really decent boot and loads of kit that you can pick up for around £18k. Yes, I get the risk that CHAdeMO is, but they're still putting out new rapid chargers with CHAdeMO connections.
Exactly - after five years enjoying a second-hand original Leaf, this year I upgraded to a second-hand 40KWh second-generation Leaf and that is also excellent value.
Maybe people have seen the reviews where the 40kwh (more like 36?) is affected by Rapid Gate even more than the 30kwh version, so they're put off the 40!?
That's unlikely to continue now even Nissan has dropped chademo.
It's OK but smashed into oblivion by a far superior 38.3kWh Ioniq. It's a no brainer.
@@michaelgoode9555 I kinda get your point, but the 110 mile range Hyundai is only a grand cheaper than the 160 mile range Leaf. I think it's more because they don't want to mention 2 Leaf editions in one video.
Thanks so much for collecting the Berlingo and dropping off our lovely new Toyota. You are such a good service and have really helped us to go Electric. The Berlingo was great and did us proud for over a year, trouble free, working daily, range stayed fairly constant even loaded up with bikes and tools. We even drove it to Wales and back from Brighton, 1000 miles in a week. Thanks again
I'm currently looking for a new to replace my now aging Polo BlueGT which is coming up to 10 years old. I did consider going for an older Tesla Model S, but then I checked how much the insurance would be... Bare in mind that I'm 38, almost 39 and have over 20 years no claims. The minimum quoted price was £1,100!!! That's just ridiculous.
Thank you Jack. I feel validated. My first 2 EVs are a used Leaf and a used Model S with over 100,000 miles on it. I drove the Tesla from California to New York and back. The battery and charging speed on this 7 year old car were great. And free supercharging!
What year was your model S, any issues? I know early ones had faulty door handles and other components.
@@jfrog5440 2015. Replaced the 12v battery and one headlight so far. Yeah I worry about all those little actuators but so far so good.
@@marisabolins4109 ok, thanks for the response
Great video. In 2021 i bought a 2017 bolt ev and after the battery swap could not be happier. Well under 20k in the US and i got a reliable long range ev that i can take on long trips without thinking too much about it.
Sounding off because I bought a lease return electric car from a dealership in Texas: a 2018 Kia Soul. 21k mi. 30kWh Battery. 100 mi range. Paid $21k for it in June 2022 and it's GREAT! Quick, quiet, comfortable and FUN TO DRIVE! Costs me about $10/mo for electricity and almost NO maintenance costs. Note: I'm keeping the charge level in the middle third to try to extend the battery life.
You are the absolute best one to listen to coming to EVs! Entertaining with down to earth approach. Love it!
We bought a used 2014 leaf in 2016. Still has 95% of range. We paid $11k in 2016. Best value car we have ever bought.
Jfc I'm jealous!!! Wtf?!?! Why was it so cheap when only 2 years old??????
@@WeatherManToBe the best I can guess on the pricing was it had been a leased vehicle and the dealership told me they we’re getting about 6 back a week that were getting new leases. The local market (Utah) was pretty soft on EVs at the time. Keep in mind this was 6 years ago.
What a great topic. Our second hand market is even more limited in Australia but I did just see a BMW i3 in Vic for $25K and photos of 205km range. So not terrible.
Thanks Jack. 😊
i almost bought a used i3 a couple years ago. However, I live in the Western USA and I couldn't even make it to the next city. It was nice and I liked the price, but depending on where you live, range is the number 1 issue.
I feel like someone is listening! Love it guys. Thanks for hearing me
Please do a video on old EV Battery replacements and upgrades .Thanks
There are already TH-cam videos on battery pack refurbishments. Some were posted 3+ years ago...... A battery refurb can work out costing a fraction of a full replacement.
Charging cables are under £200 btw and not a “grand”. My Ioniq 2020 electric Premium SE with now 27000 miles still has 100% battery state of health and just been to Skye and surrounding areas of northern Scotland (800 miles in sub zero temps and it did 4.46 m/kWh with two adults, 2 border collies and all luggage! Great ev. My wife has a 2022 ID3 pro 58kw and loves it as well but never gets better than 3.7 m/kWh. Summer my Ioniq gets 5-6m/kWh
Very efficient car, the Ioniq.
1:57 For comparison, a quick search in the US for a Leaf will give you a 2013 for $13K USD.
My 2014 Gen2 LEAF still holds 10 bars (~75% on LS) @152k Kms and I l live in a hot climate (PT). Still good for 110km range on a normal ride...
My best deal! That car is already payed off!!
What I’d like to see is which ev is the most repairable..replacing battery cells is going to be huge until longe range batteries are commonplace
I'm glad you mentioned the Kia Soul EV because that's what I have, and it's the best car I have ever owned. It's a 2016 which I bought used in 2020 with about 18,000 miles on it for about $13,000. I average about 4.1 miles per kilowatt hour, which is pretty darn good considering it is basically shaped like a brick! Luckily I bought it just before the market went haywire around April of 2020. Great car.
check the warranty terms of your car. I own 2016 Soul EV and 10 yr 100k Mi is to the first owner and drops to 6 yr from 10yrs to the 2nd owner.
I hasmd a Soul EV in Hot Phoenix. The battery dropped very fast and failed. The controller over heated twice in rush hour traffic. Very poor.
@@PhxElecAuto did you get a warranty claim to replace the battery. I'm way down on range and expect it to fail also.
@@b6s4shelter The "Electric Vehicle System"* is covered for 10 years however, including subsequent owners. I have confirmed this with Kia Consumer Relations. I'm good until December 31, 2026.
* According to the warranty manual, "Electric Vehicle System" includes:
- Electric motor
- Gear drive unit
- Battery Pack ("EV battery")
- Electric Power Control Unit (EPCU)
- On Board Charger (OBC)
@@b6s4shelterwow , I didn't know that
I bought the original Ioniq 3 years ago (2019 model Premium SE). As I write this the UK is experiencing a cold snap (minus figures daily). My daily commute is roughly 20 miles each way. I got home today and still had 70 miles range. Probably the best car you could get for the money at the time imho. Definitely worth a look. Even in winter I get just under 5 mpKwh without driving particularly carefully.
Wish it had an app, though! 🥺
@@hooloovooloo we've had the 38kwh premium for almost two weeks now and all I can say is that it's brilliant. The app works well and that extra 10kwh of battery is just wonderful in such an efficient car. In the snow last Sunday 0°c wet motorway and slushy side roads the whole family (4 fully grown slightly overweight 🤣 adults) went on a 135 mile trip to Wales (so lots of hills if you didn't know) and most of the journey was 67mph on motorway (cruise control). When we got there we had 8% and 20 miles left on the GOM and the car read 4.1m/kWh in the very worst of conditions and the heating was on 20°c set to auto so using full heat and AC when it needed. Our old 30kwh Leaf would have done 50 miles in those conditions at those speeds with 435 KG of passengers aboard. 3 times the range for an extra 8kwh is just simply amazing !
Great to hear Oliver. Larger battery wasn’t available when I bought mine but hoping to install a 500KWh solid state battery by the time the guarantee runs out! 😉
Used i3 owner here. We love it
Just brought a 2019 ioniq here in new zealand, cant wait to get into it
Great video Jack.
Hey, what about an unsung hero - the Misubishi iMiev/Peugeot Ion/Citroen C0 (same car, different badge) - never seems to get a mention?
Still available today, second hand £4k - £6k. I own a 2012 Peugeot Ion - I love it! 14kwh battery (tiny) still good for 50miles - perfect city car, cheap as chips!
Nissan leaf, every thing jack said. Range drop is a problem when it's cold mine does 5.3 miles per kw in the summer but 4.2 in winter But I love it. Make sure you get the 6kw AC charger and not the 3kw as chademo is not always available.
Doesn't really matter if charging at home overnight. We had the 3KW version and it charged up just fine.
@@adsheff it does matter, you won't be able to charge a leaf up in the 4 hours octopus cheap energy overnight slot fully, if it is empty at 3 kw. You need a 6kw charger model to do that.
@@stevezodiac491 good point
@@adsheff that's fine if you only charge at home. I regularly have to top up while out and about and chademo are not always available. Being able to charge at 6kw is more convenient if you are having to wait with the car
Something to keep in mind about the Zoe is that the pretty stylish design showed here belongs to the newer ZE50. The older models with smaller batteries resembles more something cheap out of the 1990s with tiny LCD screens slapped in. Those ones really did not age well on the inside.
Got our 50kw 2019 Zoe for 20k and love it. Rapid charging means we can take it on the long journeys. One word of warning when buying used cars from bigger sellers - quite often the staff are not knowledgable about rapid / fast charging. The only way to know for sure is to get the member of staff to take a photo of the actual charging port - showing the rapid charge (CCS) is actually there.
Thanks for the CCS info - gold dust !!
Owner of a blobby Kia Soul EV. What happened to the review? Despite being described as Postman Pat’s van, I love it. Got my 2016 model for £12,000 in March 2022 with 12,500 miles, still under Kia 7 year warranty. We have solar panels, so no charge for the charge 😊
Great car , what do you get in winter ?
Any issues , is warranty back up good ?
@@Soulboy63 - Just got a new 30kWh battery under warranty for my Soul. Now has a range of 170km/105 miles.
@@christinechin1909 great , but that means your new battery won't last for 20 k miles ??
@@Soulboy63 - I am no expert, but it seems EV batteries are not about mileage, they are about state of health, how well they hold the charge. After doing quite some research on Soul EVs, it seems there is/was a fault with some of the first edition batteries.
Nice.
But how can you recommend a Zoe when recent models scored ZERO in the Euro NCAP safety tests (zero stars means "lacking critical modern safety technology")? Granted this is only for recent cars, but surely this warrants at least a mention?
There's a lady I work with who bought a used Model S, 2018 around 60k miles with the unlimited supercharging. I think she told me she is saving around 450 usd a month. It's her everyday, plus she drives 200 miles to work once a week. It still looks amazing, too!
Really loved your analysis of the Jaguar "strategy" :D
Nice collection of cars. One thing on battery degradation: every battery degrades, that is unavoidable. BMWi3 is no exception, but thr amount matters. The early Leafs, Nyland shows, often have massive degradation beyond 20-25%, while Teslas and I think also the BMWi3 can stay below 10% even with many many miles/km on it. Most degradation anyway happens on the first 30-40000km.
I enquired about a used Tesla model S earlier this year, the Tesla dealer told me that they switch off that free lifetime charging function when they get the car into their stock. Only cars that have not been traded to a Tesla dealer still have the free lifetime charging. Check before you buy.
(I bought an i3s instead, the Tesla was too big)
Having rented a number of Zoes over 3 years with ONTO, I then bought an immaculate 2013 Zoe 44k miles, met black, 17” alloys in March 2021 for £4k. Yes it had the battery lease but the option to buy the battery was £1,600 so would still be a cheap car. When I sold it a couple of months ago with 55k miles the battery state of health was showing 96%. I also sold my 2014 Kangoo ZE this summer still showing 100% SOH. I now have a 2016 Model S 85D which still has a range of 220-230 miles after 237,000 miles. And free supercharging for the win. I’ve never been able to charge at home over the last 4 years, but it’s not been much of a problem. And these low temperatures we are having now bring out the best of one of my favourite features - preheating
We absolutely love our VW e-Up! Such a nice and easy car to drive.
It's worth noting that Zoe's without fast charging can have incredible longevity. I've seen examples with single digit degradation after 100,000+ kms. Also the i3 REX has a small issue with fuel leaks over the exhaust that can cause a slight fire issue next to the battery. Also the REX engine cuts in early so they have less EV range than the pure EV version. What I'm saying is, buy the BEV, not the REX.
"slight fire issues" :D
I don't know, possible fire doesn't sound slight to me lol
As a Rex owner, I can state that the engine cuts in automatically at around 6% battery SOC - though there is the option to 'manually' run the engine from anything under 75% SOC.
And, whilst I drove a BEV model before getting my i3, I have absolutely no charger anxiety anymore...!
On the plus side, in the year / 12,000 miles I've run the i3, I've only had to call on the Rex engine on 3 occasions so, basically, I run it as a pure BEV day-to-day.
It's an absolutely wonderfully lightweight, efficient car and a piece of design excellence which, sadly, no other manufacturer (including BMW themselves) has had the foresight to remake... 😕
Awesome piece Jack. You are such a compelling presenter. Great picks, and prices. Something for everybody. Now I’m torn, Tesla Model S, or Jag? That own a piece of history is appealing, but the Jag is such a great performer!
I've been looking for a reasonably priced EV for my parents and I think last year's Citroen e-C4 would be perfect. At least here in Finland, there's quite a few top spec options all under 20k km driven priced at around 35k €, 10k less than new. It's supposedly really comfortable and quiet for the price and the specs are pretty decent all things considered, also not too big nor too small.
I've seen one of these recently and they look something of a bargain for the size and specifications.
And buying a used EV is like buying a new EV but someone spent several hours in it! No turbos to be blown!
I just wish there was a CCS capable car for less than 15k. I mostly use my carsharing Zoe 52kwh, but even in carsharing spec those are still 20k or more to buy.
What about Mitsubishi i-Miev (and the identical Citroen C-zero and Peugeot ion)? Can be bought for less than 7k pounds, cheaper than a Nissan Leaf. Offers less comfort but who cares in case of a city stroller. Typically better remaining range after 10 years, as the battery has some thermal management. I just bought one for less than 4k euros...
Even bigger bargains to be had since this video was uploaded!
I recently bought a 2019 e-niro (64kw)for a 24k (€), 21000 km, was 43k new, the best trim. Best car ever owned. I have the comfort the space and the range we need. We travelled all Europe without range anxiety or any other problem. ....well once the 12v battery died, I didn't close properly the boot and left the car for a week...😅.
Excellent as always!
No mention of the Peugeot Ion (aka Mitsubishi i miev or Citroën C zero). My wife has one. It cost £4k. It predates the Leaf and even has rapid charging with Chademo. It's 11 years old and still has 50 miles of range. Great shopping car.
Yes, if I were looking for a 'town car' it would be on the list ahead of an old Leaf. But there are very few for sale!
I know your trying, but second hand market still too high compared to ice. The used electric car market is still immature. If I had a choice between 6500 grand on a low tec electric leaf. I could spend less than half of that on an ice and end up with a better car.
He's right, Jack... And you know it!!
No mention of a Volkswagen e-Golf? The cheapest on Autotrader right now is 21k! And beat of all, it looks just like a normal car, it drives just like a normal car and it's so familiar you just won't even consider that it's electric... It's not in your face or weird looking...
I was looking at buying one but chose a GTE advance, purely because the spec was far better.. 😅 but still!! The e-Golf should not be ignored...... Especially when you mention the e-Up!
Thank you. I was looking for some love for the E-golf 😅 It is such a simple car, well build and I couldn`t be happier about my 2020 E-Golf. It is still a very good used car buy, even though prices have been going up since I bought mine.
£6500 for a 24kwh Leaf with a range of 50 miles!!! Early i3, 80 miles for £14,500!!! Not exactly tempting, especially with electricity prices as they are. Not sure that a jag ipace at £38k can really be considered 'a bargain'.
I am in Ireland and considering a 3 year old ioniq. I am coming to the end of of a pcp finance and looking to go hire purchase on the ioniq. Repayments are about €100 extra per month but I think I will save that between tax and petrol. I go to the office maybe 2 times a week. It is just over 200km round trip. Won't be able to install a wall charger but there are chargers in petrol stations in the neighbouring towns and on the main road to and from the office.
Great review Jack 👍
Wonder what a US list would look like. Same players (minus Renault and the small vw's that never came here, with the chevy bolt in their place perhaps. Maybe a compliance car or two like the e-golf or focus electric? I do with we had a bit more brand and model variation here.
Great video though.
On the other side of the pond, The Ford Focus Electric is a great 2nd car. With the active thermal management My wife's 2014 still has 63 of the original 75 miles. But the resistive heater drops winter range to about 50 miles. Add to that the 2012 to 15 model only had a J1772 charger restricts it's range. It cannot leave our valley. But it was only 10k.
It´s a shame that the Ioniq doesn´t get a direct successor. Using updated battery and charging tech would make for a very competetive package, in terms of real-world qualities at least. Sadly, you can´t ignore the mainstream appeal of SUVs that prevents manufacturers from making comapct and aerodynamic cars these days.
Thought: The Mk2 Ioniq 38kWh may share the battery with the 38kWh Kona. If the Kona can either be 38 or 64kWh then there could be a possibility that the Ioniq could take a 64kWh pack. As the Ioniq's are right up there efficiency-wise with owners seeing 5 miles per kWh then a Mk2 Ionic with a 64kWh pack could be a real-world 300mi + vehicle.
Will hyundai make that? No. But it sure is nice to think about it. Perhaps some of the enterprising EV garages and tinkerers out there will find a way to make it happen! 🤞
Updated charging? The 'classic' Ionic will charge a touch under 70 kWh. With it's small pack that means you can plug in with sub-20% and grab a coffee and be ready to go as it will sometimes be at 80% before you get back to the car!
@@FFVoyager Look at turbokadett's answer. Think of a 64 kWh pack with peak charging power above 100 kW.
@@FFVoyager You mean 70kW?
@@turbokadett there is a new direct replacement of you happen to be well off and can afford £55k the ioniq 6 is a low, long, streamlined aerodynamic car. The only difference being a fixed boot not a liftable hatchback style boot.
Huh! In March 2024, the bottom of the i3 market starts at £5k. These cars were well over £12k a year ago. How much cheap electricity can you charge into these to beat £7-8k depreciation of an old car?
Picked up a Peugeot Ion recently as a 2nd car to an electric SUV. It has no pre-heating, no heating whilst charging, a ridiculously small range and no clock, but it cost just £4.5k and the wife loves it to park.
I think that for pre-heating you just need to get that big remote controller (expensive, if you didn't get it with the car). And heating should work during charging but not during fast charging.
2019 leaf owner, bought mine used, it has a range of 120 miles. Still have 5 years of battery warranty left
I had a 2nd hand Nissan Leaf on PCP from Nissan. It was a great car - plenty of room for 2 adults and 2 young children and a push-chair. It only had a range of 70 miles, but that's find for 95% of our driving, I hardly used my main car. I had it for 3 years - it held its value very well.
Really good Video Jack 👍 As a family we have a 2016 30kwh leaf that due to battery degradation is more like a new 24kWh now which our son is using as his first car and the Wife has a new Kia Soul with the 64kWh battery and she loves it. The leaf is a 2016 and is worth about 25% more now than when we brought it and the 21 plate Soul is worth nearly what we paid for it new. But in general all car values seem to have risen in the last couple of years perhaps with the chip shortage coming to an end we will see an influx of new cars which will then result in cheaper though not CHEAP EV's being available in a few years. Note to all when insuring your car check the current resale value as a lot of them have gone up and you could end up under insured which may lead to you getting an aggregated pay out if its a write off.
In july 2021, I bought a one year old E-Up ! that had only 9950 kms (6182mls) on the teller, and the big battery. (Are you sure Jack that the battery isn't the same as in the other ones ? I heard (on your channel) that they all had the 36kw/h battery, but that only 32kw/h were usable…). The home wallbox was included...
This summer I drove 230kms (143mls) on the highway, at 110km/h (68mls/h) with the aircon on.
The best 17500€ (15044£) I ever spent !
Literally researched this last weekend. For me the best option is used tesla model 3, however that's because I'm being a bit snobby about the Leaf and Zoe - which are incredible value for money. I'm not convinced by the old model S, definitely would worry about something expensive going wrong with it!
We had a Model 3 in the states and now we have a Zoe in France. The Zoe is a great little car, but it is no Tesla. We miss so many things about our Model 3, which was the best car I've ever driven. Enjoy your Tesla!
@@Mykle1AZ Thanks for your insight! My preference is for a Polestar but they're just too expensive at the moment compared to the Model 3 and other options.
Why are there no range booster batteries you can plugin to your ev when you need extra range and the rest of the time serves as a house battery like a power wall?
@ 9:11 l love my 2013 VW Up! Pitty Australia/Germany denied the battery version here!
Cloe for 2017 now down to 6k in mid 2024!! Many battery owned
If the I3 was released in 2013 why are BMW so far behind Tesla in technical design? For a larger S/H EV car it has to be a Model S
You should do a 2024 update on this video. Comparing the prices through the video to now is showing an impressive drop in price since this video was released.
I know someone who gave up on their Jaguar I-Pace, because it spent more time in the garage with them scratching their heads as to why it wouldn't work.
Opel Ampera Chevrolet Volt is the best bargai you can get, it has as much range as a leaf and is a fantastic car despite being hybrid cheap reliable and can cover most of your trips running electric no real difference from an BMW i3 extender
From the Tesla website: Any credits for free Supercharging that are given with the purchase of a vehicle, including any annual renewal of credits, expire upon the sale or transfer of the vehicle and are not transferable to any subsequent vehicle owner, or to any other vehicle.
Couple you missed The e golf would be my pick, also Merc Bclasss 28kWh battery you do have to use a key what is that about?
Thanx for this vid! I own a 2019 VW E-GOLF and I kind of miss it in your list. It is a great car, well available in the used market, well, at least in the Netherlands, in Germany and in Norway.
I bought a cat S damaged Leaf for £2.6k, fixed myself and cost me total of £3.5k fully MOT'd on the road.
Range is crap, 40-50 miles but I drive 25 miles to work and get free charging.
Great video. Whilst not a full EV, a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV can be had for under £10k now. My 2014 model with 170k miles is faultless and very cheap to run - still get near the claimed electric range, which is adequate for most journeys. No plans to change it any time soon.
14:59 - 15:05 you have to give Fully Charged credit for the quality of filming. Pushing powerful ideas into people minds with recurrent visions such as this one: a slick electric car and wind turbines in the background… 😍😉
That was here in Orkney , i was driving the little Peugeot I-on with the camerman ( mark) in the boot with the tailgate open , fun times back in 2017 !
@@JonathanPorterfield tailgate open? Brave! 😂
@@Nikoo033 Mark had a seatbelt wrapped around his body and filming kit !
So when do the new power plants come online to deal with the increased demand that you want?
Literally any electric car:
Jack “one of my favourite electric cars”
This might be Jack's first video ever where he didn't say "bespoke" at least once.
On the i3 - the range extender is by far the least reliable component of the i3. If you want reliability, go for the battery-only model. One of the biggest problems is that if you don't use the range extender often enough, it can seize. So people who did 99% of their driving solely on electric may have a bad range extender now. It's supposed to go through a "maintenance cycle" every few months if it isn't used, but that may not be enough, and it could have broken since the last time it ran that cycle.
I'd only go for a range extender model if you absolutely _need_ the petrol/gasoline backup occasionally for some reason, but otherwise the i3 would be perfect. (Once a month you drive 300 miles on a route with zero EV charging.) Even then, I'd make sure you buy one from the original owner, and that owner states that they used the range extender regularly. (I set a calendar reminder to "use up range extender tank" once every 3 months just in case I hadn't taken a trip that needed it in that time.)
I have been looking at the possibility of buying a second hand Tesla model S. It is almost impossible to be sure that the second hand model S you buy will actually keep it's free supercharging. It certainly doesn't if you buy from Tesla themselves. Also a word of warning on 'out of warranty' repairs on older model S's - these can be VERY expensive and you will only get a reconditioned part. My conclusion is either buy a new model 3 or the basic MG4.
The smart ED & smart EQ is noticeably missing from this video.. They were sold *brand new* for less than Chevy Bolts, we’re offered in convertible form, joining the Tesla Roadster as the only convertible EV’s one could buy, can navigate a city like no other, made clever use of its interior space easily accommodating passengers over 6’ tall, included an innovative tailgate/hatch with hidden storage for easy cargo access, turns heads to this day for being cuter than it’s legally allowed to be, and is a lot of fun to drive.
Coupled with a Mercedes Trideon Safety Cell, swappable body panels in fantastic colors, and the ability to park just about anywhere, it offers a unique vehicle combination not found anywhere else. It’s really hard not to smile when driving the electric smart as it’s just so fun to toss around town and is so much better of a car than its petrol equivalents.
Much like the trio of compact EV’s Jack mentioned in this video, some used smart electrics are still being sold for close to their original new price as more people find out just how great these cars are for local runabouts, however, the occasional bargain can be found with models with higher mileage, and should still be good for around 60 miles of mixed driving if the battery was well cared for. 60’ish miles of max range may not be enough for those needing to commute outside their city, but for those who only occasionally head out of town, I’ve found it’s more than enough for most trips. And given it takes about as much space as two motorcycles parked next to each other, one can fit two of these in about the same space as one family sedan.
Most trips consist of a single occupant, so vehicles like these make a lot of sense and the electric smart was deservingly awarded the greenest car of the year in 2014 for its efficiency, low overall carbon footprint, and vehicle practicality.
Less practical however, is it’s L2 J1772 3kW max charge rate if needing to charge away from home. Mercedes/smart marketed this car as a city commuter and likely decided that most drivers wouldn’t likely use this vehicle for longer trips, thus, eliminating DCFC from being offered. Additionally, the 17.6kWh battery pack sits just small enough to not warrant DC charging, but just big enough where AC charging still takes a long time at J1772 stations and really best suited for home charging with the occasional top off on the road.
The 2014 smart electric drive I own has been a great daily city commuter and should be on someone’s radar if shopping for a Nissan Leaf or a Fiat 500e, as these have similar range and price points. It bears noting, the smart’s short and narrow wheel base makes for a bumpy ride on rough roads in comparison to these other two vehicles.
If buying a very low priced EV is the goal, coincidentally, the shorter range and slower charge rate of vehicles like the smart electric are what helps make used vehicles like these affordable and could be the bargain one is looking for if as long as you can charge from home and fit daily drives within 60 miles. It may take some searching, but occasionally a 500e or smart electric can be found for about what Leaf’s are going for, though, a Leaf may get you back on the road faster if you can find a ChadeMo. I have a friend that bought two Leaf’s for his college kids for around 5k each and function well fit their intended purpose.
Lastly, like the smart electric, an used Mercedes B class electric or older eGolfs are also potentially good city commuters as long as you can live with their relatively short ranges and J1772 charge limitations.
Coupled with our smart electric, are two long range electrics. Used short range/slow charging EV’s have their purpose and place, but hard to justify buying if close to the price of a brand new Bolt. The price point of a 2023 Bolt, however, should result in older EV’s becoming more affordable.
I bought my MG5 brand new at a discount rate for £22500. 2 years ago . So some of these used prices seem too high for me especially £19k for a used VW Up . I sold the MG5 a year later for £21k with 6k miles . Car was great , but infrastructure in the southwest is poor ,it’s slowly improving but not enough to get another EV yet for long distance, maybe another 5 years ?
I still want another EV but one for local trips . Ideally an EV version of my Smart car which is a hoot to drive around the narrow Cornish roads , but they are still very expensive.
I will always remember the feeling of relief and joy when a charger was free and working lol.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Mitsubishi I MiEV for around £5k , some with less than 15k miles .
There’s one thing for certain, without The Leaf, Zoe, i3 and Model S there would be no EVs today.
Absolutely!
Without Elon Musk there would be no EVs today
That actually obvious nonsense. At some point people would have made EVs, and it would have been before now. So yes, even in a slightly different world without those specific cars there would still be EVs today.
There have been EVs 120 years ago..
@@Knnnkncht yes before ice cars but they didn’t have the impact that the famous 4 had above, they changed everything.
This was amazing! Really what all of us who can only ever afford used cars needed
For the BMW i3, The REX cannot charge the battery itself, just used to maintain current charge.
An electric car channel should know that
You can buy a slightly used dacia spring for about 14-15k euro... and there are people who will facilitate this and deliver it to you throughout europe but not on a full sale contract... initially on a lease thing contract and eventually you can have it outright when the sale embargo ends a year from the first sale... one of the easiest ways to get an ev nowadays when demand far outstrips production... and one major advantage of the spring is the battery is rated down to 70% not 80% like all other manufacturers
The Dacia spring isn't available in the UK. 👍
Don't forget you can convert almost any old patrol car (that you bought for 500 Euros) to an EV for about 5000 Euros for a battery pack that will give you more than 100 miles of range. You can always add more. There's even Open Source Autonomous Driving System, Lane Keeping Assist and even Autonomous Breaking and Adaptive Cruise Control that you can add to your car, pretty easily. Add a big iPad and you'll get a fully capable, modern infotainment screen. An OBD II BT adapter (99$ on Amazon) will add more live data to your main screen, just like in a modern EV.
You can also add BT TPS (tire pressure sensors) to get live info on your tires. The list goes on and on. You can add almost everything available in new cars.
The easier, more logical thing to do, is to add a little money and get an old Leaf or a Prius.
Call me a cynic, but I suspect the super high prices of EVs has allowed makers of ICE cars to ratchet up their prices!
A Zoe for me, please! - Good to hear that you think the ZE40 is the one to go for, because that is the one that soon will be within reach for me - next year... just need to save a few thousand more... (they are typically around 200 000 Swedish Kronas)
There is a Renault Zoe Intens Easy Charge for sale near Sandefjord, asking prize is NOK 68,000.-
Great video Jack. This subject will become very important in the near future....little later here in Australia though as basically no second hand EVs here at present. 👍
15:00 the battery degradation still holdds true for me because we (my family) drife the 150k miles in less then 3 years and not in over 7 so we would need to change the battery really fast
For Model S, 2015 was the first year with dual motors and Autopilot, but not Full Self Driving which was after 2016. 2016 was when they changed the front end. Free charging for life ended after the 2016. For 2017 and after any free charging applied to the owner, but not the car.
I have a 2015 I bought used from Tesla when they used to sell them with a full new car warranty. Now they give one year or 10,000 miles on top of any original warranty, so my car had a full bumper to bumper warranty until 87,000 miles. I only had minor things like a door handle and a headlight bulb though.
American drivers should also check out used Chevy Bolts which are a raging deal since they all had new batteries put in in the last year or two. They have more range than new.