Just a wee correction, the Zoe used to come with only AC charging not Chademo. Be careful, some later cars also only had AC charging. Also worth noting that the Seat version of the E-Up only had the top trim level, so no poverty model. Re the old Model S, I've got a March 2016 Model S 85D (free supercharging) with 264,000 miles on it and I'm only just starting to replace the suspension arms. Not because they are failing but because I figured they must be pretty tired by now. And for those that say you can't do long journeys in EVs, in the last 9 months I've travelled to France, Southern Italy, Germany, Belgium, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Great to see that these cars are getting more affordable, the running coats are very low.
Made a comment about the transfer of free supercharging , can you help in anyway. My understanding from a brief google search is that it’s from private sellers or only dealers that Tesla have a relationship with…does Jack know for certain that Cinch are in bed with teslas …on spooning terms or not..regards
@@smburc1 My understanding is that the free supercharging for life only gets removed if the car is sold back to Tesla or if you take them up on their offer of transferring free supercharging to a new Tesla, which I don't believe requires you to sell your old car to them. I've also heard of situations where if the car doesn't call home within 6 months, it can be removed, but that's more for people buying written off cars. I bought my 2016 85D from my boss, so it was a private sale, and the free supercharging carried over to me.
Keep in mind that Paris to Munich takes 10 hours or so... But in a place like Canada going from Ottawa, Ontario, just one province over to Winnipeg, Manitoba takes 23 hours on pure highway drive... "Long distances" are very different in the EU vs NA.
3 years ago, choice of a 2 or 3 year old EV was not very good, especially if wanting 200+ mile range in any weather. Now there is a super selection with some of them at amazing prices. A great episode.
And things will only get better on the second hand market! I'm planning to replace my old car in 1-3 years and can't wait to jump into a used EV for bargain basement prices, likely still with warranty remaining
@@Mububban23 Absolutely! For me, the generation of cars that includes the EV6, Mach-e and so on were the first that were truly interesting to me. The Tesla model 3/y were, and are, great cars but it never quite landed for me personally in terms of styling and such. So having all of these options available is perfect! I personally did buy an extended range mach-e about a year or so ago now, and I've been really happy with how it's handled long distances, as well as it just being fun to zoom off the line 😀 Around 220 miles, real world motorway, range in winter and about 270-300 miles in summer puts it into the spot where even for long distance trips (e.g. midlands to cornwall, or midlands to scotland) are more limited by our desire to a break in general (and if there's a destination charger, we wouldn't technically need to stop at all). But, of course, that's something the car does roughly once a month. Most of our journeys are much shorter, and never having to faff with a petrol station is so nice :)
Have to agree - 2.5 yers ago I went for a PHEV as BEVs just too much for decent range and charge speed. Just swapped for a BEV - Hyundai Kona 64kWh with just a few £k to pay. Says 250 miles on a full battery and I can believe it. Had my first long trip (190 miles each way) and it was a breeze. Dive in now if you've been considering an EV!
I went from a huge Jaguar diesel to a BMW i3 range extender and I absolutely love it. It is such good build quality and virtually no degradation of battery at even 75k miles. Unbelievably practical and took three adult passengers on a day trip with me and still zippy with good range. Still getting around 150 mile range which is perfect for my 60 mile daily commute!
i still managed to lose mine even as a 2nd hand buy...... ipace £35k, followed by £9k drop in 12 months. Still I love the car however. (we also lost a bunch on our BMW i3 but not as much). I do feel now some of these cars have over corrected a little bit and as such bargains to be had now.
I purchased my 2nd 38kWh Hyundai Ioniq yesterday after my last one got written off. Honestly the Ioniq never gets enough recognition, with only the pre-facelift getting a passing mention. Mine was £11k with 16,000 miles, 2021 reg meaning 18 months manufacturer's warranty. It's the top spec Premium SE and will reach 200 miles of range. Yet nobody mentions it. The Leaf with its limited range, passively cooled batteries, Chademo charging connection etc is always on these lists however
@@sheepcute They mentioned the very OG one, which has a different grill and alloys, and a 28 kWh battery pack. Facelift version is 38kWh and different alloys + front grill. Both super efficient though. 5 or 6 miles per kWh regularly.
I’ve got to be honest, and I know it’s not going to be popular - but I had an MG ZS - and it was one of the best cars I’ve had, put aside the range for a moment - it was a bloody good work horse. It went everywhere, across fields, through floods and so on. It carried loads in the back, plenty on the roof and never once failed me. Servicing and repairs come to around £400 over 3 years. Glad it had a mention.
Just a heads up for anyone watching - Early Zoes had type 2 only, not CHAdeMO. That was the Leaf. It’s still worth avoiding type 2-only Zoes if you need to go a decent distance and charge on the way, though
I still really want a Honda e... But even at that price, I can't justify it, as the range is just too low. If there was a way to retrofit it with a larger battery to get a real world range more like 150+ miles, then I'd buy one in a heart beat though.
So often I hear people saying “EV depreciation is going to kill EV adoption, blah, blah”. My response is always “You are saying having used EVs cheaper than their gas counterparts on lots is going to HURT EV adoption???” Cheap used EVs is EXACTLY what we need to get more people driving electric!
Does not work that way as its an 'ecosystem' of interconnected players. The depreciation is now more than likely driving price discounts to cost of production or even below that in a futile attempt to move ballooning inventory. This means that not only EV manufacturers take a loss but also buyers along with car hire and vehicle leasing companies. A slow motion train wreck is occurring. The government imposed EV 'market' is flawed like Soviet central planning.
Is this quite true, though? The deprecation we're seeing doesn't seem too dissimilar to other more expensive cars, like a 3 series. A mach-e being 45-50% down after just over 3 years is a bit higher than you may find in ICE cars in a similar price bracket, but not massively so. Considering this is also rapidly evolving tech, and smart charger owners generally save at around a rate of £1.5k per 10k miles vs a 40mpg car (7p per kWh smart charging with Octopus vs. 140p petrol), a slightly higher deprecation works out fine for owners and seems reasonable for first gen tech! And going back to the deprecation difference- if you drive the car about 30k miles you've likely clawed back much of the gap to something similarly priced and specced. Although that's obviously somewhat difficult to specify since todays EVs are often much faster, and have a completely different set of tradeoffs that can make them either much better than an ICE, or much worse - e.g. if you can't home charge or travel 500 miles a day and prioritise overall time over saving thousands a year) What feels like a bigger barrier to EV growth right now is not having the more mainstream models available, or space to have a home charger. Most people aren't buying cars north of £40k and we won't have commonplace 5-10 minute rapid charging for a couple of years yet (18 minute for 350 miles is the quickest I've heard of, but it's always evolving). But these used prices? That's the good stuff, and is making the good EVs affordable to more people.
The EU did a survey with EV owners, the vast majority does not intend to ever buy an EV again. So 'getting people to drive electric' is a temporary thing, they go back to a real adult human car afterwards.
I do support forced electrification though, because people without private garages, about 95% of the world, poor people, they won't own cars anymore, owning an EV is not feasible without a private garage. Get tho poors off the road, poors take the bus. At first I was not on board with the EV cult, until someone explained to me you just want poor people off fckin road, now I'm on board. If you don't live in a mansion with at least one private garage, you can't own a car or go anywhere, haha.
@glennv3176 This is also why I noted don't think EVs are suitable for mass adoption until they can rapid charge in comparable time to petrol (at current rates of progress, we'll hopefully see that in about 4-5 years) so you don't need space at home to charge :) Likewise drop in replacement synthetic fuel is going to be critical for a global transition away from traditional fuels. That all being said (from a UK perspective) if public transport anywhere but London could suddenly be great to not need a car, that'd be pretty great... But, welp, I can't see that happening any time soon.
I bought a Polestar 2 dual motor in April, very soon after going to Everything Electric at Excel. It was great to meet you there Jack, and for your encouraging remarks about the Polestar. Chose that as a tow car, and it is brilliant. Great to drive solo or towing a caravan. Thanks for everything Fully Charged team - always look forward to your Videos.
What do you tow with it? I'm hoping for a make and model name as I'm not familiar with British Caravans. I'd also love to know about the range you get when towing your caravan.
I'm not the original poster, but I also use an EV (a Hyundai Ioniq5) to tow a caravan (Swift Basecamp 2). EVs make great tow cars because they tend to be relatively heavy, have a long wheelbase and lots of torque. As long as I don't go silly (it's easy to tow at speed) and stick to the UK speed limits when towing we get about 120 miles on a charge. That compares to 200 miles without the caravan. That's enough for most trips but when it comes time to change I think I will go for a car with the charge port near the front. Having it at the back means I sometimes have to unhitch to charge en route. The Hyundai does have V2L though, meaning we can run the caravan from the car. We have done it, and it uses surprisingly little battery, but it's not something we need regularly.
"if like everyone else in the world you are more interested in a high riding crossover than a practical and and better estate car" Man, such hate against crossovers and presumably SUVs … I love it.
How on EARTH can you do a whole video about best used EVs and not mention the KONA!!! Go on autotrader and search for 250mile+ range EV's that are barely used, low on miles & still have years left of both car and BATTERY warranty and you just get a sea of used Konas. I mean Jesus, if you go direct to Hyundai and get an approved used "promise" car you get a NEW 5 year car warranty and 5+ years of battery warranty for as little as £16k!!!!!!
@@paulmardle8901 can you please tell me how much a 2021 Polestar will lose in value in a year? Because all my research online tells me "not much" but you seem to believe otherwise?
This was great. I see other channels bemoan the lack of affordable ev's and I find myself shouting - why! affordable cars are almost always used cars! its an issue that takes care of itself as the market matures.
The original Ioniq is the #1 best used EV, it has some of the most insane battery health in the industry- most likely the best in the world, it's also the most efficient EV in the world, easily getting 6 miles per kw/h if not higher.
@@airchie2 Really? The original Ioniq (2017~2019?) had a 60 kw/h charge rate, which put it at the top of its class in its day- and mine charges up usually within 20 minutes even when nearly completely empty. My 2017 Ioniq is 7 years old, has around 130,000 miles on the dash and still goes about 140~150 miles per 20~ minute charge. Most of it's life has been spent fast charging as well, it was also extremely beat up when I bought it for about 10k~ a couple years ago- it had been in 2 crashes and was apparently a rental car before I got it (found that out like last month) So far, literally nothing has gone wrong and it still runs perfectly, alongside getting insanely good eff.
@@airchie2 Maybe you had the 2.0 original ioniq, the 38kw/h battery ones that came after 2020 had 10~kwhr more battery which gave it around 50~100 more miles per charge however charged slower at around 40 kw/hr, making it take around twice as long to recharge.
They have tested the Kia e Niro 64 KWh, with a 85 K miles and 100 K miles and both are 100%, with NO battery degradation! After that I bought my Kia e Niro! Hell yeah 😎 🙌
We bought an ID.3 three years ago, new. I would have never bought a new car otherwise, but at the time there weren't that many good second hand EV options available. If it was today, I wouldn't bother with the new ones, the used ones are so good, and soooo much cheaper.
Got a 70 plate Leaf from Cinch back in April. I’m in love with the car. Even took it on a couple of 600 mile road trips (just takes a little planning and patience). So far I’ve had zero problems with Chademo. MG4 is the one I’m looking at and thinking, in 3-4yrs that’s going to be an absolute steal on the secondhand market.
A high expectation of verbal panache is always priced in when I settle down to a new Jack video, but "the face of Darth Vader with constipation" is a new high. Bravo, sir!
Just picked up our 2022 Peugeot e-208 today. 3 hours later: what a tremendously joyful car. Well done Peugeot 👏👏👏 Perfect size. Don't understand this city SUV thing at all, to bulky for the city and just shit 8n terrain 😂😂
I got an early Model 3 performance. 3.2 seconds 0-60, over 400hp, when charging at home rates, half the price per mile of my old hybrid. All for £22k. Bloody love it!
We have the Zoe with the 22kw AC charging. The car is good as a daily driver and has made it possible for us to live outside of the city without compromises but it is a pain to take on drives longer than 300km. Should have gone for the MG ZS for $3000 more though
Great video, Jack. There are some definite bargains out there. I noticed VW ID3 prices are really low compared to an equivalent year/spec'd Cupra Born. I've seen ID3s for £12k, some £6k cheaper than an equivalent Born.
I got the Jaguar I-Pace. Wouldn't swap it for any of these cars. It got the looks, the pace, and the handling. And with the Tesla Superchargers in the country I live in, it's very cheap to drive. I pay around €15 euro for the 375km real range.
Yup, I'm on my second I-Pace, superb car. Almost all my charging is done at home so around £3 for 100 miles but if I'm on a long trip somewhere I use Tesla Superchargers whenever possible as they're usually the cheapest (UK)
The original IONIQ (the version you showed clips of) had a 28kWh battery, it was the second version with a slightly redesigned face that had the 37kWh battery (and slower charging)
Drove our Ioniq 28 to Italy this year with the whole family and a towbox on the rear. No issues with charge speed, even with the heat wave. No issues with the charging network. Less than 2 hours slower per 1000km compared to the time we would use with a petrol car. (Considering that on petrol, we would have 4 stops as well for bathroom and to let the kids run around on the playground a bit).
Fantastic video, after sitting on the fence trying to find the right car l am now moving from a ICE KIA Xceed to a 2nd hand MG5 (facelift). After trade in and paying off the outstanding credit, this 'new' to me EV is ~£8 cheaper a month in finiance.
@@thenerd6192 Yep, never. For most early gen DC charging was an "optional extra" which few paid for, so stuck with AC. In Sweden, even if DC charging is everywhere, AC is usually up to 11kW, so an early gen Zoe is relegated to a local runabout
Thankyou for including the OG Ioniq Electric, it's often overlooked and I thought it would be here! Cinch clearly did but Fully Charged did not. Excellent car, very underestimated. Practical, spacious and super efficient.
@@JackScarlett1 I am glad you mentioned that, as I quite often have to buy new cars for our business ie - need floor mats, they are ALWAYS on the options list!
I have three small kids who all use car seats and endless house projects, and the whole family including the wife sit comfortably with loads of room plus a huge storage in the back of the Renault Kangoo Maxi Passenger. It’s 2014, range of 60-ish km, decent condition and I got it for roughly 6000€. The diesel heater for early pre school winter dropoffs doesn’t hurt either 😁
The e-golf top cheap pick. I've owned mine from new, 82000 miles still runs as new. Only downside optional heat pump. Look for this as an option and your on a winner.
@@leesmith9299 the trouble is, if Fully Charged took a load of cash for this video, everyone would question their integrity. Difficult to show a load of different models at different prices in the metal any other way. Certainly beats a slideshow!
Lets look at it differently. "I scratch your back, you scratch mine". Fully charged' whole ethos is to promote EVs. One of the main reasons people don't drive EVs is affordability, so Fully charged took the opportunity to showcase the used car market through Cinch, a major used car dealer. All those cars you see are all in one location so easier to plan and film.
Beware the base-spec Skoda Citigo. They didn't have DC rapid charging as standard and early ones needed a tickle with an OBD2 scanner to enable 7kW charging on single-phase AC.
One really nice thing about the Nissan Leaf worth mentioning is that it has a lot of third party support including several different battery swap options that can double or even triple the range. There's even one that has liquid cooling engineered for it! Sadly, the vast majority of the EVs shown here are not available in the US. :(
I've just convinced my brother to buy an electric Kona, it's a facelift 22 plate with only 11,000 miles for 17000 I think. Absolute bargain. My mum already has an MG5LR and me a 2020 Kona. Just my dad to work on now who has a PHEV but could easily go pure EV, without inconvenience and probably cheaper as a company car with the BIK % differences.
It's a UK show... You want km, just multiply miles with 1,6. I got used to doing this already... In their reviews they tell the data in km too, if I remember correctly. But since the video is about the used UK market, it makes sense to present the data for the market where the cars are sold.
Seat as low as it goes, wheel slightly higher than you'd normally have it. Gap between left knee and steering wheel is tight but sufficient. I adore that car and I honestly don't know what I'd trade it for even if money wasn't an issue. Great seats, great sound system, comfy, refined, not too big for London.
@@JackScarlett1 I had to raise the seat slightly for my son to fit behind me in the back, but then found the roof came down low into my field of view. Was gutted as I loved driving it, loved the way the maps integrated into the driver display etc. I never bothered with CarPlay, just used the built in google maps (why can’t all manufacturers do this?!?)
@@danpaul4975 love the model 3 and Y, but the lease prices were a touch too high when I ordered (they jumped with the Highlander coming out). Ended up with a Kona long range which is great, loaded with kit and really efficient. Plus has a decent amount of space in the back
So glad I bought my IONIQ 6 SEL used last month. It's such a great car. To think it was a corporate fleet car with only 3K miles, but discounted by $20k is insane. And after selling my old Jetta, the cost to upgrade was less than I bought the base model Jetta for. Best car purchase I've ever made (and so glad I did so before this video went live - Hahaha). Finding a used IONIQ 6 near me was super difficult. Was lucky there was a small fleet being sold only 1 and a half hours away.
Consider warranty. Kia and MG are hard to beat in this respect. Also, you pay arms and legs for servicing a BMW or a Volkswagen brand. 360 Euros for a yearly e-UP inspection is daylight robbery. Edit: Yes, it's every other year or 30k for the e-Up.
@@PhineasPhlob You are right, every two years. Nevertheless, there are four VW dealers I could visit. They all (coincidentally) quoted the same price of 360 euros. They charge a mechanic hourly rate of over 200 euros plus taxes. BTW, Kia charges 150 Euros, but that is in fact each year. At least I get a 7-year warranty.
2:15 for some reason i have in my head that the older Zoe's also don't have good thermal management. did i dream that? i have no idea where i got that from.
I've not heard that - Zoe batteries seem to last really well, probably because many of them were leased and Renault would have to replace them for free if they died!
Great video. We got into the 2nd hand EV market a little under a year ago and love ours BUT I wish I knew then what I’m now learning. An EV has the potential to be so much more than just a vehicle! Please, please, please when you are doing reviews of evs talk about the other stuff like B2G, B2L, B2V. Our Audi e-tron spends most of its life on our driveway and would be so much better if Audi weren’t so precious about letting the car battery be used by the owner to do other stuff rather than propel its lovely wheels!
Why you should never trust a used car salesman and do your own research! Zoe never had Chademo, was always AC fast charging. Benefits the later model as it still manages 22kwh AC charging, takes a couple of hours to charge mine at work.
Battery degradation is not so much a problem of temperature but whether the battery has been kept at a high (over 70%) state of charge for long periods, which tends to be more often the case with cars with small batteries
Temperature also plays a significant role. Yes, spending a lot of time at max SoC is bad, but spending time at max SoC while hot is double extra bad. This is why the LEAF specifically has a bad reputation for degradation while other vehicles do not... the difference is the thermal management.
And yet with the so called best battery the BYD Blade which has LFP and liquid cooling still rapid gates badly, the early Leaf did degrade fast, but the 40 and 62kwh Leaf batteries are holding their own against most liquid cooled batteries, losing 15% in 6 years is still very impressive to me. Especially when Tesla Model 3 I have seen a 2021 example at 87% battery health with 50,000 miles.
@@gregb1599 @gregb1599 15% in 6 years? Which car are you referring to? Checking the Cinch website I only see a 2016 model in white, 24kwh pack, with an original range of 84 miles. If we assume it's the same car despite being red, and 50miles is really what you'd get at 100%, that's a 40% loss not 15%. Capacity loss due to thermal problems was a HUGE deal early on. Do you remember when Nissan started with the "Lizard" pack with the chemistry tweak for 2015+ models, sold only for warmer climate markets? That's because people in Arizona were already making battery warranty claims due to capacity loss. The "rapidgate" thing is software to protect the battery. It may or may not be strictly necessary but that's what the manufacturer wants. The LEAF will absolutely roast its battery on multiple DCFC sessons in the same day. The term "batterygate" was coined by LEAF owners before anyone outside China even heard of BYD. At the end of the day it all depends on how it's used and abused. 15% loss in 6 years? Sure, possible, if you're careful. But a proper thermal management system will absolutely suffer more abuse and last longer than a pack without one. No question.
all depends on budget but for the cheaper end (sub £8k) you can get gen 2 Zoe with range of between 140-160 miles depending on weather etc has decent thermal management amazing 2nd car option IMO
Last year 2nd hand EV's weren't really a thing here in Australia (apart from clapped out Leafs) so we bought an MG4. This year? ... fill ya boots. So many great options. We got a used pre-face lift MG ZS EV as our 2nd car for $26K AUD, bargain. That was 3 months ago, yesterday I saw one going for $22K. Such a great time for everyone to finally get into EV's.
My ten year old Model S still retains 90% of its original SOC. sadly, other makes, like the Nissan Leaf are the complete opposite and will typically only retain as little as 30% or less after the same period of time and miles driven. The most important thing to pay attention to is the vehicle’s BMS, thermal management, and chemistry. Or just go with the obvious. Tesla’s batteries are easily at the top with regards to longevity and reliability, with more of their vehicles on the road than any other, worldwide. And there’s several reasons for that, battery quality being one of them.
You only need an OBD dongle and something like carscanner, leafspy or scanmytesla on your phone. Our 3 year old Kona 64 shows 100% state of health with no cell voltage deviation. A calculated degradation of 1.4%.
The sad thing is that the most important part of this list is missing: the rangetest of these cars. There will probably be a few write offs amongst these cars.
So glad the little Honda e was mentioned as its been forgotten and despite its flaws I feel a part of me will always want one someday. Also thank you for the mention of the Ioniq I do love mine and it got me into a decent range EV at at time when there was little else in my budget. Also that shot of the e208 next to the Ioniq 5 just demonstrates the madness of all the SUVs on our roads and I'm glad you called it out with the MGs xD
NGL the BMW i3 with range extender is the worst car I've ever owned. It got on a cold day, "70" KM of range, which was really 40. 40 KM of range, I brought it into BMW and they said it was normal! NORMAL? To produce a car with 40KM of range in the winter at 0 Degrees??? Even with winter mode, and warming and everything! It was abomitable.
But with only a 1 year warrenty . Its also too new for DIY work arounds and cheap alternative parts, so you are dependent on the dealer, thus a failed AC compressor will set you back 3 grand - such a part for an older car would cost 250 quid. I think the ID3 will make a great old banger choice for the DIY mechanic when they are 10 years old but as a nearly new car they are very expensive. Oh and the dealer network cant cope so you wait months for any repair. To add to the fun, if you have to buy your 15 grand UK price car in the EU it will be over 20 grand.
@@glennv3176everyone is selling theirs for cheap so we can all have one and save the world, it's not depreciation, it's charity (yes I'm being sarcastic)
@@glennv3176 - Indeed it does in the 2nd hand market, with ICE no longer the only available option for saving significant amounts of money over buying new. User's choice: cheap ICE car but expensive fuel, or cheap BEV and cheap charging. It's very likely ICE will start to suffer in the 2nd hand market with prices decreasing to remain competitive with the number of BEVs becoming available, then the depreciation experienced by BEVs may will infect new ICE cars as well. I wonder if fossil addicts will be happy about that occuring as they have with BEV depreciation.
@@glennv3176 - wait till you see the petrol/diesel ICE car depreciation in a couple of years once new ICE car production have shifted to hybrid only production and the 2nd user market is awash with BEV and PHEV at competitive prices. The dealers won't be able to shift the ICEs whether new or old, except in those places in the world that are lagging far behind, even there the rest of the world will export their surplus ICE to offload the problem.
Please can you do a video on the home charger thing? All well and good flying off to sunny locations, sponsored by the manufactures and the odd second-hand parking lot. can you please give us some guidance on wall chargers, shared driveways and allocated parking?
People moaning that EVs lose value aren't getting it - it's a consequence of 3+ year old EVs starting to enter the second hand market in quantity combined with price pressure on new EVs. Simply put, new EVs are dropping in price, becoming more affordable and this means that the value of 2nd hands are doing likewise.
Moaners 3 years ago: Oh no, they're too expensive! What normal people would buy one? Same people now: They've lost too much value! It's a waste of money! Some people just like to moan about new things.
Indeed with ICE no longer the only available option for saving significant amounts of money over buying new. User's choice: cheap ICE car but expensive fuel, or cheap BEV and cheap charging. It's very likely ICE will start to suffer as well in the 2nd hand market with prices decreasing to remain competitive with the number of BEVs becoming available, then the depreciation experienced by BEVs may will infect new ICE cars as well. I wonder if fossil addicts will be happy about that occuring as they have with BEV depreciation.
@@AnonYmous-rw6un - Depends upon circumastances, destination charging (particularly at work) allows adoption. Similarly in areas with steetside charging or community charging - such as at new developments in the last few years (including flats) - support shared 'home' charging. Access to local low cost public charging (e.g. supercharger or supermarket chainging) also means it's still cost effective (even more so if the public charging vat rate is dropped to the domestic energy rate). One estimate is that the 60 to 70% with some form of home charging extends to 80% when including localised charging. For this segment BEVs will become more an more attractive. The final 20% is the harder to address segment, some of which (primary terrace housing) could be addressed by gully charging (packages of chargers and low profile secure cable gullys for on street charging). The remainder (older flats etc) forms of community access charging are being looked into. Though for this segment running a BEV, whilst still cheaper than a ICE car, will not be as cheap as those with home charging nor as easy to manage.
Perfect video for me right now as I'm looking to buy an ev for the first time and these are around my budget. So, what am I choosing? Who the hell knows!!! 😆
What's with all the Elon hate? How exactly has he lost the plot? Because he endorsed "orange man bad" instead of some senile geriatric who's done his best to attack him and his companies?
@@airchie2 - why assume politics, I read the OPs comment was about sticking to high premium models and focussing on the Cybertruck that has more limited appeal outside of the USA, rather than doing as was previously promissed and introducing more affordable and accessible models.
@@airchie2 - Who said anything about image or vanity? ... Perhaps you misread *appeal* as such rather than its meaning as offering benefits deemed of need by oneself or useful in one's vicinity. The issue is more practical one of focusing on a niche model to the detriment of more universal (appealing) models that had been promised.
They can't go cheap until they have the means to go cheap. 4680 development has been slow and they wanted to develop their unboxed manufacturing. Might be past the worst of 4680 and clearly the sales drop has forced them to try to make a cheaper model before they're fully unboxed.
when he says the early zoes came with chaedmo, he means type-2 rapid charging (22kW or 43kW on some models). There are rapid type 2s out there but they are a bit harder to track down.
@@xWood4000 - or buy it on PCP but only when the rates are dirt cheap, if car drops value just hand it back. Plus negotiate hard for discount incentive, service package and add-ons. With BEVs this makes sense as it's a good way of accessing higher range cars that save more on everyday usage (though pick those with good efficiency rather than vanity/halo models). The high depreciation experienced at the moment is a transistional shift event, reflecting the drop in battery prices that new EV's prices have yet to reflect - the majority of EV models were sold till now have been high value, high spec, high premium cars that have had the most to loose. As more affordable new models start to become the majority then depreciation will not be so marked as it is now.
Great prez, but I'd like to see a primer "Haggling with Auto dealers 101": "uh, that's more than I can afford right now" ... "dear, I'll just have to go away and save another couple years" "I've got a cashiers cheq here, for two thousand less than that.." .. help me!
only fly in the ointment in the UK is that any of those originally priced at over £40K new will be liable to luxury car tax in years 2 to 5 of ownership, approx £400 pa
@@airchie2 settle down fanboy. Don't you have a white pride March to prepare for? Or were you leaning towards burning the immigrants out of their homes? So many different causes these days. Hope those Andrew Tate alpha male courses have paid off. Great investment.
The people in the EU have been brainwashed into thinking free speech is a bad thing. The best thing Elon did was take Twitter away from the governments propaganda.
This really has awoken my interest, though I’m still a few years off changing my current petrol estate. But have found myself on Cinch looking at the Ioniq 5 and for just over £20k that is quite enticing. Always liked the little Peugeot e-208 as well. Really enjoyed this video and clever of Cinch and Fully Charged to do this.
Great video thanks! Was hoping you were going to talk about the iX3 that glided past as you were talking about the Ioniq 6! I know you weren't a big fan when you reviewed it a while back but I've been using one for nearly 3 years now and it's been faultless. And good for 300 miles in this weather.
Brilliant proof that you don't have to pay silly money for an EV! I can't wait to buy my next car but at the moment still happy with driving the Zoe GT!
Just bought my second Ioniq 5. Just 9000km and a good 15k off new price for top of the range long range version. Awesome. My wife is having my current Ioniq 5 and a frriend is buying her brilliant E-Niro from us
Jack Scarlett! Zoë never had Chademo. Some models only had type 2, but all are at at least 22kw AC and even Phase 1 have air cooled battery. They’re heat pump only so ensure it works in heat and cool mode and that the BMS firmware is up to date otherwise range looks inaccurately low.
Just a wee correction, the Zoe used to come with only AC charging not Chademo. Be careful, some later cars also only had AC charging. Also worth noting that the Seat version of the E-Up only had the top trim level, so no poverty model. Re the old Model S, I've got a March 2016 Model S 85D (free supercharging) with 264,000 miles on it and I'm only just starting to replace the suspension arms. Not because they are failing but because I figured they must be pretty tired by now. And for those that say you can't do long journeys in EVs, in the last 9 months I've travelled to France, Southern Italy, Germany, Belgium, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Great to see that these cars are getting more affordable, the running coats are very low.
I am glad you said that because it didn't make sense in the video
Made a comment about the transfer of free supercharging , can you help in anyway. My understanding from a brief google search is that it’s from private sellers or only dealers that Tesla have a relationship with…does Jack know for certain that Cinch are in bed with teslas …on spooning terms or not..regards
@@smburc1 My understanding is that the free supercharging for life only gets removed if the car is sold back to Tesla or if you take them up on their offer of transferring free supercharging to a new Tesla, which I don't believe requires you to sell your old car to them. I've also heard of situations where if the car doesn't call home within 6 months, it can be removed, but that's more for people buying written off cars. I bought my 2016 85D from my boss, so it was a private sale, and the free supercharging carried over to me.
Appreciate the correction!
Keep in mind that Paris to Munich takes 10 hours or so... But in a place like Canada going from Ottawa, Ontario, just one province over to Winnipeg, Manitoba takes 23 hours on pure highway drive... "Long distances" are very different in the EU vs NA.
3 years ago, choice of a 2 or 3 year old EV was not very good, especially if wanting 200+ mile range in any weather. Now there is a super selection with some of them at amazing prices. A great episode.
And things will only get better on the second hand market! I'm planning to replace my old car in 1-3 years and can't wait to jump into a used EV for bargain basement prices, likely still with warranty remaining
@@Mububban23 Absolutely! For me, the generation of cars that includes the EV6, Mach-e and so on were the first that were truly interesting to me. The Tesla model 3/y were, and are, great cars but it never quite landed for me personally in terms of styling and such. So having all of these options available is perfect!
I personally did buy an extended range mach-e about a year or so ago now, and I've been really happy with how it's handled long distances, as well as it just being fun to zoom off the line 😀 Around 220 miles, real world motorway, range in winter and about 270-300 miles in summer puts it into the spot where even for long distance trips (e.g. midlands to cornwall, or midlands to scotland) are more limited by our desire to a break in general (and if there's a destination charger, we wouldn't technically need to stop at all).
But, of course, that's something the car does roughly once a month. Most of our journeys are much shorter, and never having to faff with a petrol station is so nice :)
Have to agree - 2.5 yers ago I went for a PHEV as BEVs just too much for decent range and charge speed. Just swapped for a BEV - Hyundai Kona 64kWh with just a few £k to pay. Says 250 miles on a full battery and I can believe it. Had my first long trip (190 miles each way) and it was a breeze. Dive in now if you've been considering an EV!
I went from a huge Jaguar diesel to a BMW i3 range extender and I absolutely love it. It is such good build quality and virtually no degradation of battery at even 75k miles. Unbelievably practical and took three adult passengers on a day trip with me and still zippy with good range.
Still getting around 150 mile range which is perfect for my 60 mile daily commute!
Having a category titled "Someone lost their arse so you don't have to" - Genius 🤣
i still managed to lose mine even as a 2nd hand buy...... ipace £35k, followed by £9k drop in 12 months. Still I love the car however. (we also lost a bunch on our BMW i3 but not as much). I do feel now some of these cars have over corrected a little bit and as such bargains to be had now.
Truly appreciate your idea with this presentation. Open the door for a new EV audience. Beautifully done. Bravo. 🎉
In all the years I’ve been watching Fully Charged Show, that is by FAR the best and most informative episode I’ve seen…
I purchased my 2nd 38kWh Hyundai Ioniq yesterday after my last one got written off. Honestly the Ioniq never gets enough recognition, with only the pre-facelift getting a passing mention. Mine was £11k with 16,000 miles, 2021 reg meaning 18 months manufacturer's warranty. It's the top spec Premium SE and will reach 200 miles of range.
Yet nobody mentions it. The Leaf with its limited range, passively cooled batteries, Chademo charging connection etc is always on these lists however
Exactly this
Except that he did mention it?
You can go higher than 200 miles. Mine is showing 232 currently, someone else I know has seen 250!
@@sheepcute They mentioned the very OG one, which has a different grill and alloys, and a 28 kWh battery pack. Facelift version is 38kWh and different alloys + front grill. Both super efficient though. 5 or 6 miles per kWh regularly.
Have admit, I'm happy with my early 2023 64kWh Hyundai Kona. Drove 90 miles in heavy slow moving traffic to a funeral last month. 5.6 miles per kWh.
Same here with my Kia e Niro! 👍
At that speed it's not surprising really..
I’ve got to be honest, and I know it’s not going to be popular - but I had an MG ZS - and it was one of the best cars I’ve had, put aside the range for a moment - it was a bloody good work horse. It went everywhere, across fields, through floods and so on. It carried loads in the back, plenty on the roof and never once failed me. Servicing and repairs come to around £400 over 3 years.
Glad it had a mention.
Just a heads up for anyone watching - Early Zoes had type 2 only, not CHAdeMO. That was the Leaf.
It’s still worth avoiding type 2-only Zoes if you need to go a decent distance and charge on the way, though
I still really want a Honda e... But even at that price, I can't justify it, as the range is just too low. If there was a way to retrofit it with a larger battery to get a real world range more like 150+ miles, then I'd buy one in a heart beat though.
ye, sadly Honda scrapt it and stuck the Name on a Bland Mini SUV instead of making one with more range and bit more affordable
We’re shopping for a second car after the model 3 and I’d love one… it’s just a bit too wee for the kids
@@enisra_bowman Yeah it's sad isn't it? There was so much potential with it. It just needed a couple of tweaks.
The market (of Honda e's) is really to small for such retrofitting to take place (which happens for the leaf and somewhat for the the i3)
@@roland9367 That's a shame.
So often I hear people saying “EV depreciation is going to kill EV adoption, blah, blah”. My response is always “You are saying having used EVs cheaper than their gas counterparts on lots is going to HURT EV adoption???” Cheap used EVs is EXACTLY what we need to get more people driving electric!
Does not work that way as its an 'ecosystem' of interconnected players. The depreciation is now more than likely driving price discounts to cost of production or even below that in a futile attempt to move ballooning inventory. This means that not only EV manufacturers take a loss but also buyers along with car hire and vehicle leasing companies. A slow motion train wreck is occurring. The government imposed EV 'market' is flawed like Soviet central planning.
Is this quite true, though? The deprecation we're seeing doesn't seem too dissimilar to other more expensive cars, like a 3 series. A mach-e being 45-50% down after just over 3 years is a bit higher than you may find in ICE cars in a similar price bracket, but not massively so.
Considering this is also rapidly evolving tech, and smart charger owners generally save at around a rate of £1.5k per 10k miles vs a 40mpg car (7p per kWh smart charging with Octopus vs. 140p petrol), a slightly higher deprecation works out fine for owners and seems reasonable for first gen tech!
And going back to the deprecation difference- if you drive the car about 30k miles you've likely clawed back much of the gap to something similarly priced and specced. Although that's obviously somewhat difficult to specify since todays EVs are often much faster, and have a completely different set of tradeoffs that can make them either much better than an ICE, or much worse - e.g. if you can't home charge or travel 500 miles a day and prioritise overall time over saving thousands a year)
What feels like a bigger barrier to EV growth right now is not having the more mainstream models available, or space to have a home charger. Most people aren't buying cars north of £40k and we won't have commonplace 5-10 minute rapid charging for a couple of years yet (18 minute for 350 miles is the quickest I've heard of, but it's always evolving).
But these used prices? That's the good stuff, and is making the good EVs affordable to more people.
The EU did a survey with EV owners, the vast majority does not intend to ever buy an EV again. So 'getting people to drive electric' is a temporary thing, they go back to a real adult human car afterwards.
I do support forced electrification though, because people without private garages, about 95% of the world, poor people, they won't own cars anymore, owning an EV is not feasible without a private garage. Get tho poors off the road, poors take the bus. At first I was not on board with the EV cult, until someone explained to me you just want poor people off fckin road, now I'm on board. If you don't live in a mansion with at least one private garage, you can't own a car or go anywhere, haha.
@glennv3176 This is also why I noted don't think EVs are suitable for mass adoption until they can rapid charge in comparable time to petrol (at current rates of progress, we'll hopefully see that in about 4-5 years) so you don't need space at home to charge :) Likewise drop in replacement synthetic fuel is going to be critical for a global transition away from traditional fuels.
That all being said (from a UK perspective) if public transport anywhere but London could suddenly be great to not need a car, that'd be pretty great... But, welp, I can't see that happening any time soon.
I bought a Polestar 2 dual motor in April, very soon after going to Everything Electric at Excel. It was great to meet you there Jack, and for your encouraging remarks about the Polestar. Chose that as a tow car, and it is brilliant. Great to drive solo or towing a caravan. Thanks for everything Fully Charged team - always look forward to your Videos.
How much do you lose in range towing? What are you pulling?
I’m thinking about a tow bar for my new car, genuinely interested.
What do you tow with it? I'm hoping for a make and model name as I'm not familiar with British Caravans. I'd also love to know about the range you get when towing your caravan.
Love that!
I'm not the original poster, but I also use an EV (a Hyundai Ioniq5) to tow a caravan (Swift Basecamp 2). EVs make great tow cars because they tend to be relatively heavy, have a long wheelbase and lots of torque. As long as I don't go silly (it's easy to tow at speed) and stick to the UK speed limits when towing we get about 120 miles on a charge. That compares to 200 miles without the caravan. That's enough for most trips but when it comes time to change I think I will go for a car with the charge port near the front. Having it at the back means I sometimes have to unhitch to charge en route. The Hyundai does have V2L though, meaning we can run the caravan from the car. We have done it, and it uses surprisingly little battery, but it's not something we need regularly.
@@electricpeter That's just the kind of information that I was looking for. Thank you.
"if like everyone else in the world you are more interested in a high riding crossover than a practical and and better estate car"
Man, such hate against crossovers and presumably SUVs … I love it.
How on EARTH can you do a whole video about best used EVs and not mention the KONA!!! Go on autotrader and search for 250mile+ range EV's that are barely used, low on miles & still have years left of both car and BATTERY warranty and you just get a sea of used Konas. I mean Jesus, if you go direct to Hyundai and get an approved used "promise" car you get a NEW 5 year car warranty and 5+ years of battery warranty for as little as £16k!!!!!!
And let's not mention the MG4. For the price of most if these used EV's you get a practically brand new MG4.
This saves me watching the whole video.
250 winter / 300 summer miles. All day long.
They grouped the identikit families, so effectively covered by the Niro
MG4 not in Baltics yet...
He covers the Niro which is pretty much the same car…
I bought a used 2020 Leaf last month. My husband was so blown away by it, he picked up his 2021 Polestar today. Total cost £36,000 for both.
and how much would they be woirth next year , lol what a waste of money, as they say a fool and tyhier money are soon parted
Scary depreciation has entered the chat 😂
@@MrOriol24 lol and its true
@@paulmardle8901 can you please tell me how much a 2021 Polestar will lose in value in a year? Because all my research online tells me "not much" but you seem to believe otherwise?
@@MrOriol24 depreciation doesn't really matter if they will keep the car long term
Just recently bought an Ioniq 6. 12 months old 11000miles £30K. Love it.
Bargain!!
You got ripped off, these are worth 15K, in few years it is just e waste
4:02 - The phone holder looks like Batman...
I swear it does. I guess this makes it a batmobil.
Not just me then. 👍
@@user-cc8kb ; Surely a mobileBat... ;)
Should have mentioned the Nissan Leaf 62kWh,
I own one and its been great with 239 miles range the last 18 months have been great for me.
They're quite a bit more expensive second hand than the 40kWh car though, and not as common.
Awesome! So good to finally start seeing numbers that look like car prices instead of house prices on EVs. Love your work, Jack, Cheers!
About time eh!
new ad: The Nissan leaf, not enough range for your kids to run away from home in.
But the Techna E+N connecta with 240 miles range didn't get a mention.
its so bad. 95 mph top speed and you get like 75 miles doing that speed
Why on earth would you ever go faster than 80
@@wiltaylor 😂😆
New ad : prefer cash in your hand vs paying loads for a new car smell ? Buy your EV car - used.
This was great. I see other channels bemoan the lack of affordable ev's and I find myself shouting - why! affordable cars are almost always used cars! its an issue that takes care of itself as the market matures.
The original Ioniq is the #1 best used EV, it has some of the most insane battery health in the industry- most likely the best in the world, it's also the most efficient EV in the world, easily getting 6 miles per kw/h if not higher.
I did enjoy mine but the rapid charging speed really let's it down... 😭
@@airchie2
Really? The original Ioniq (2017~2019?) had a 60 kw/h charge rate, which put it at the top of its class in its day- and mine charges up usually within 20 minutes even when nearly completely empty.
My 2017 Ioniq is 7 years old, has around 130,000 miles on the dash and still goes about 140~150 miles per 20~ minute charge. Most of it's life has been spent fast charging as well, it was also extremely beat up when I bought it for about 10k~ a couple years ago- it had been in 2 crashes and was apparently a rental car before I got it (found that out like last month)
So far, literally nothing has gone wrong and it still runs perfectly, alongside getting insanely good eff.
@@airchie2 Maybe you had the 2.0 original ioniq, the 38kw/h battery ones that came after 2020 had 10~kwhr more battery which gave it around 50~100 more miles per charge however charged slower at around 40 kw/hr, making it take around twice as long to recharge.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND yeah, mine was the facelifted model
They have tested the Kia e Niro 64 KWh, with a 85 K miles and 100 K miles and both are 100%, with NO battery degradation! After that I bought my Kia e Niro! Hell yeah 😎 🙌
This is the best car review video I've seen, hugely entertaining and great humour with honesty. Love it, keep it up!
We bought an ID.3 three years ago, new. I would have never bought a new car otherwise, but at the time there weren't that many good second hand EV options available. If it was today, I wouldn't bother with the new ones, the used ones are so good, and soooo much cheaper.
Got a 70 plate Leaf from Cinch back in April. I’m in love with the car. Even took it on a couple of 600 mile road trips (just takes a little planning and patience). So far I’ve had zero problems with Chademo.
MG4 is the one I’m looking at and thinking, in 3-4yrs that’s going to be an absolute steal on the secondhand market.
The MG4 has horrible software for the ride assist stuff like emergency braking. The lane keep assist is downright suicidal.
@@sandernightingalejust switch it off each time, I can live with that for such a bargain car! Sw update in the offing I hear too..
I don't know why Jack ignored the Mk2 Leaf. It's a great car at a bargain price at the moment.
A high expectation of verbal panache is always priced in when I settle down to a new Jack video, but "the face of Darth Vader with constipation" is a new high. Bravo, sir!
Verbal panache. Love it. Stealing it.
@@JackScarlett1 🙏
I have a friend who has one, and adores it, to me it was like a baby only it's mother could love.
@@JackScarlett1zero g
Actually its not Vader its 100% Kilo Ren 😅
Just picked up our 2022 Peugeot e-208 today.
3 hours later: what a tremendously joyful car. Well done Peugeot 👏👏👏
Perfect size. Don't understand this city SUV thing at all, to bulky for the city and just shit 8n terrain 😂😂
I'm tempted to go look at one
I got an early Model 3 performance.
3.2 seconds 0-60, over 400hp, when charging at home rates, half the price per mile of my old hybrid.
All for £22k.
Bloody love it!
That's a STEAL.
Lamborghini performance for peanuts,crazy.
I have a VW E-UP and a Model Y dual motor but i want a model 3 performance too
I've just got a 2020 M3P - Eon EV tariff 1.5p per mile! 0-60 in 3.2
We have the Zoe with the 22kw AC charging. The car is good as a daily driver and has made it possible for us to live outside of the city without compromises but it is a pain to take on drives longer than 300km. Should have gone for the MG ZS for $3000 more though
Great video, Jack. There are some definite bargains out there. I noticed VW ID3 prices are really low compared to an equivalent year/spec'd Cupra Born. I've seen ID3s for £12k, some £6k cheaper than an equivalent Born.
I found that out to my cost when I came to trade mine in. Beware the 20” wheels with their expensive tyres that no-one ever has in stock.
Blimey! Good insight
Just purchased a 2 year old Hyundai Kona 39kw for £13.4k ,170mile range is good enough for us & has lots of kit for the money.
Great to have you along, Jack! Same time next year, when MG Cybersters and Hyundai Ioniq 5 N's can join in the fun? 😜
@@cinch Please let the MG Cyberster coupe concept become a reality 🙏 The thing is gorgeous, especially in the teal colour
Excellent video, Jack on great form again. 'Under-bits.' 'A battery shoved up it's bum' 🤣
This would make a great regular feature.
The thing that actually amazed me with many of the smaller electric cars is that Jack seemed to fit in most of them with little trouble.
Used EVs are popular af in Greece as well I seen 3 Nissan leaf one was 19' model and 2 20' models priced at 13k they were gone with in a week 😅
Why would anyone in Greece buy a Leaf?! Maybe people bought them and took them to countries with cooler climates.
To me the new white accented BMW logo looked like a bird pooped on it. Just can't unsee it..
I got the Jaguar I-Pace. Wouldn't swap it for any of these cars. It got the looks, the pace, and the handling. And with the Tesla Superchargers in the country I live in, it's very cheap to drive. I pay around €15 euro for the 375km real range.
Main issue is the low efficiency and the battery problems
Yup, I'm on my second I-Pace, superb car. Almost all my charging is done at home so around £3 for 100 miles but if I'm on a long trip somewhere I use Tesla Superchargers whenever possible as they're usually the cheapest (UK)
@wheeldesire If you live somewhere with low speed limits like me, efficiency is actually pretty decent. And the batteries are still under warranty.
@@wheeldesire tell us about the battery problems?
How reliable is the I pace ? Battery wise as they are cheap as chips now for some reason
Ended up buying an e niro. It's not a massive looker but it's absolutely fantastic to live with and it goes pretty well!
The original IONIQ (the version you showed clips of) had a 28kWh battery, it was the second version with a slightly redesigned face that had the 37kWh battery (and slower charging)
Drove our Ioniq 28 to Italy this year with the whole family and a towbox on the rear. No issues with charge speed, even with the heat wave. No issues with the charging network. Less than 2 hours slower per 1000km compared to the time we would use with a petrol car. (Considering that on petrol, we would have 4 stops as well for bathroom and to let the kids run around on the playground a bit).
Fantastic video, after sitting on the fence trying to find the right car l am now moving from a ICE KIA Xceed to a 2nd hand MG5 (facelift). After trade in and paying off the outstanding credit, this 'new' to me EV is ~£8 cheaper a month in finiance.
When did the Zoe come with CHAdaMO?
Never, Jack was thinking of 40kW AC, which is even rarer than CHAdeMO.
@@thenerd6192 I know about them - I thought I must have missed one!
@@thenerd6192 Yep, never. For most early gen DC charging was an "optional extra" which few paid for, so stuck with AC. In Sweden, even if DC charging is everywhere, AC is usually up to 11kW, so an early gen Zoe is relegated to a local runabout
Or Zoe had AC charging there was a 50kw and a 22kw version
Pre-facelift Zoes had three phase AC 'fast charging' as an option.
Thankyou for including the OG Ioniq Electric, it's often overlooked and I thought it would be here! Cinch clearly did but Fully Charged did not. Excellent car, very underestimated. Practical, spacious and super efficient.
Jack is way too good a used car salesman
Thanks for this. I'll throw in free floor mats for you.
@@JackScarlett1 I am glad you mentioned that, as I quite often have to buy new cars for our business ie - need floor mats, they are ALWAYS on the options list!
I have three small kids who all use car seats and endless house projects, and the whole family including the wife sit comfortably with loads of room plus a huge storage in the back of the Renault Kangoo Maxi Passenger. It’s 2014, range of 60-ish km, decent condition and I got it for roughly 6000€. The diesel heater for early pre school winter dropoffs doesn’t hurt either 😁
Surprised to see no Hyundai Kona 64kWh in this review.
they showed the e-niro which is the sister car
Likely none available to show, none listed on Cinch's site even today.
By the way, it's not a review.... Some popular EV are not in stock....
The e-golf top cheap pick. I've owned mine from new, 82000 miles still runs as new. Only downside optional heat pump. Look for this as an option and your on a winner.
LOVE those
cinch properly pulled your pants down if they didn't have to pay for this amazing advert.
@@leesmith9299 the trouble is, if Fully Charged took a load of cash for this video, everyone would question their integrity. Difficult to show a load of different models at different prices in the metal any other way. Certainly beats a slideshow!
Not really as soon as people see that there are tons of MGs for less than £10k . Cinch are a rip off
Lets look at it differently. "I scratch your back, you scratch mine". Fully charged' whole ethos is to promote EVs. One of the main reasons people don't drive EVs is affordability, so Fully charged took the opportunity to showcase the used car market through Cinch, a major used car dealer. All those cars you see are all in one location so easier to plan and film.
@@H4M24UK one got a proper good deep hour long scratching and the other got a 10 second tickle.
@@leesmith9299 You really paint a word picture there
Beware the base-spec Skoda Citigo. They didn't have DC rapid charging as standard and early ones needed a tickle with an OBD2 scanner to enable 7kW charging on single-phase AC.
The Megane E-Tech is absolutely fantastic and not talked about enough.
Good shout!
@@MadSpacePig it sure looks Great
Mega car. Not many of them for sale used at the mo, hence no mention
Got my e2008 in72, 70 plate when second user EVs were at a premium, love it will probably hang on for a couple more year before upgrading!
One really nice thing about the Nissan Leaf worth mentioning is that it has a lot of third party support including several different battery swap options that can double or even triple the range. There's even one that has liquid cooling engineered for it!
Sadly, the vast majority of the EVs shown here are not available in the US. :(
I've just convinced my brother to buy an electric Kona, it's a facelift 22 plate with only 11,000 miles for 17000 I think. Absolute bargain.
My mum already has an MG5LR and me a 2020 Kona. Just my dad to work on now who has a PHEV but could easily go pure EV, without inconvenience and probably cheaper as a company car with the BIK % differences.
Give us the metric, holy crap!!!!
It's a UK show... You want km, just multiply miles with 1,6. I got used to doing this already... In their reviews they tell the data in km too, if I remember correctly. But since the video is about the used UK market, it makes sense to present the data for the market where the cars are sold.
this video is useless if you are not in the uk you spud cknt
@@KookyBone didn't the UK switch to the metric system?
@@udishomer5852 No, much like everything in (blessed) UK life, we half-assed it and went down the pub.
@@KookyBone Or this channel displays the inferior imperial measurments in metric as 90+% of the counteies in the world uses.
I have that Kia soul with that exact colour combination. Honestly it such a good car, insanely comfortable, long range and great spec!
I still struggle to understand how you drive a Polestar, I had a 3 day test drive, I’m only 6”2 and found it so cramped…
Seat as low as it goes, wheel slightly higher than you'd normally have it. Gap between left knee and steering wheel is tight but sufficient. I adore that car and I honestly don't know what I'd trade it for even if money wasn't an issue. Great seats, great sound system, comfy, refined, not too big for London.
I went for a model 3 over the polestar for the same reason, at 6'4" it wasn't pleasant in the polestar
@@JackScarlett1 I had to raise the seat slightly for my son to fit behind me in the back, but then found the roof came down low into my field of view. Was gutted as I loved driving it, loved the way the maps integrated into the driver display etc. I never bothered with CarPlay, just used the built in google maps (why can’t all manufacturers do this?!?)
@@danpaul4975 love the model 3 and Y, but the lease prices were a touch too high when I ordered (they jumped with the Highlander coming out).
Ended up with a Kona long range which is great, loaded with kit and really efficient. Plus has a decent amount of space in the back
So glad I bought my IONIQ 6 SEL used last month. It's such a great car. To think it was a corporate fleet car with only 3K miles, but discounted by $20k is insane. And after selling my old Jetta, the cost to upgrade was less than I bought the base model Jetta for. Best car purchase I've ever made (and so glad I did so before this video went live - Hahaha). Finding a used IONIQ 6 near me was super difficult. Was lucky there was a small fleet being sold only 1 and a half hours away.
Consider warranty. Kia and MG are hard to beat in this respect.
Also, you pay arms and legs for servicing a BMW or a Volkswagen brand. 360 Euros for a yearly e-UP inspection is daylight robbery.
Edit: Yes, it's every other year or 30k for the e-Up.
e-up service intervals are every two years. I paid £165 last year.
@@PhineasPhlob You are right, every two years. Nevertheless, there are four VW dealers I could visit. They all (coincidentally) quoted the same price of 360 euros. They charge a mechanic hourly rate of over 200 euros plus taxes. BTW, Kia charges 150 Euros, but that is in fact each year. At least I get a 7-year warranty.
The last service on my BMW i3 was £67 at a Bosch service centre!
@@DanHopkins Just above 500 euros at a BMW dealer in Munich, Germany.
@@ontopoftheroofOuch! Can you not go independent? Is your warranty over?
That has been one of the best video's on EV's I've ever had the pleasure of watching, thank you.
2:15 for some reason i have in my head that the older Zoe's also don't have good thermal management. did i dream that? i have no idea where i got that from.
They have onlyfans
I've not heard that - Zoe batteries seem to last really well, probably because many of them were leased and Renault would have to replace them for free if they died!
@@robinbennett5994 apparently the fans are effective, probably because they can blow AC air around the pack.
Great video. We got into the 2nd hand EV market a little under a year ago and love ours BUT I wish I knew then what I’m now learning.
An EV has the potential to be so much more than just a vehicle! Please, please, please when you are doing reviews of evs talk about the other stuff like B2G, B2L, B2V.
Our Audi e-tron spends most of its life on our driveway and would be so much better if Audi weren’t so precious about letting the car battery be used by the owner to do other stuff rather than propel its lovely wheels!
Why you should never trust a used car salesman and do your own research!
Zoe never had Chademo, was always AC fast charging.
Benefits the later model as it still manages 22kwh AC charging, takes a couple of hours to charge mine at work.
This video is an excellent edition to your regular content! You should do a used car round up like this at least once a year, or maybe every quarter.
Battery degradation is not so much a problem of temperature but whether the battery has been kept at a high (over 70%) state of charge for long periods, which tends to be more often the case with cars with small batteries
Temperature also plays a significant role. Yes, spending a lot of time at max SoC is bad, but spending time at max SoC while hot is double extra bad. This is why the LEAF specifically has a bad reputation for degradation while other vehicles do not... the difference is the thermal management.
And yet with the so called best battery the BYD Blade which has LFP and liquid cooling still rapid gates badly, the early Leaf did degrade fast, but the 40 and 62kwh Leaf batteries are holding their own against most liquid cooled batteries, losing 15% in 6 years is still very impressive to me. Especially when Tesla Model 3 I have seen a 2021 example at 87% battery health with 50,000 miles.
@@gregb1599 @gregb1599 15% in 6 years? Which car are you referring to? Checking the Cinch website I only see a 2016 model in white, 24kwh pack, with an original range of 84 miles. If we assume it's the same car despite being red, and 50miles is really what you'd get at 100%, that's a 40% loss not 15%.
Capacity loss due to thermal problems was a HUGE deal early on. Do you remember when Nissan started with the "Lizard" pack with the chemistry tweak for 2015+ models, sold only for warmer climate markets? That's because people in Arizona were already making battery warranty claims due to capacity loss.
The "rapidgate" thing is software to protect the battery. It may or may not be strictly necessary but that's what the manufacturer wants. The LEAF will absolutely roast its battery on multiple DCFC sessons in the same day. The term "batterygate" was coined by LEAF owners before anyone outside China even heard of BYD.
At the end of the day it all depends on how it's used and abused. 15% loss in 6 years? Sure, possible, if you're careful. But a proper thermal management system will absolutely suffer more abuse and last longer than a pack without one. No question.
all depends on budget but for the cheaper end (sub £8k) you can get gen 2 Zoe with range of between 140-160 miles depending on weather etc has decent thermal management amazing 2nd car option IMO
The BMW i3 is such a underrated EV
Too small and too ugly in my opinion
The air conditioner disintegrating into the cooling system is a frightening expense though.
@@aussie2uGAWhat are you talking about? That makes no sense.
Yes and you should have written it in BOLD capitals 😅. It's the best car of all cars ever and a crime BMW doesn't make it any more.
@@MILKYBAR1969 I know they put in all the effort on one excellent and exciting EV and then ever since they've just been standard BMW's but electric
Last year 2nd hand EV's weren't really a thing here in Australia (apart from clapped out Leafs) so we bought an MG4. This year? ... fill ya boots. So many great options. We got a used pre-face lift MG ZS EV as our 2nd car for $26K AUD, bargain. That was 3 months ago, yesterday I saw one going for $22K. Such a great time for everyone to finally get into EV's.
Ipace is by far the used bargain of all bargains, a great car at a great price. Don’t believe me, test drive one and then apologise
What about reliability? Land rover jaguar and reliable are not used in the same sentence very often ,but yes I've been some very very cheap I paces
Before or after the failed recall for a battery that has caught fire more than most?
And the efficiency is really poor compared to Teslas
Just park them outside, said Jag today. That's how HOT they are 🔥😂
Curtains are making a comeback, love to see it.
But when you buy a second hand EV will the garage allow you to plug in a laptop and check the batteries state of health yourself?
Should do, would be good if Fully Charged did a follow up on the buying process and what to check for with an EV
My ten year old Model S still retains 90% of its original SOC. sadly, other makes, like the Nissan Leaf are the complete opposite and will typically only retain as little as 30% or less after the same period of time and miles driven.
The most important thing to pay attention to is the vehicle’s BMS, thermal management, and chemistry. Or just go with the obvious. Tesla’s batteries are easily at the top with regards to longevity and reliability, with more of their vehicles on the road than any other, worldwide. And there’s several reasons for that, battery quality being one of them.
This is coming soon. And we need it!
You only need an OBD dongle and something like carscanner, leafspy or scanmytesla on your phone. Our 3 year old Kona 64 shows 100% state of health with no cell voltage deviation. A calculated degradation of 1.4%.
The sad thing is that the most important part of this list is missing: the rangetest of these cars. There will probably be a few write offs amongst these cars.
The value of this episode - second to none.
The presentation - unanimous Oscar.
Mr. Scarlett - a rising 🌟 over the Hall of fame.
Always a delight to watch. Roberts pasion for al things electric is irrefutable
Those i3's are very tasty
So glad the little Honda e was mentioned as its been forgotten and despite its flaws I feel a part of me will always want one someday. Also thank you for the mention of the Ioniq I do love mine and it got me into a decent range EV at at time when there was little else in my budget.
Also that shot of the e208 next to the Ioniq 5 just demonstrates the madness of all the SUVs on our roads and I'm glad you called it out with the MGs xD
NGL the BMW i3 with range extender is the worst car I've ever owned. It got on a cold day, "70" KM of range, which was really 40. 40 KM of range, I brought it into BMW and they said it was normal! NORMAL? To produce a car with 40KM of range in the winter at 0 Degrees??? Even with winter mode, and warming and everything! It was abomitable.
I had one and the lowest ever range at zero degrees was about 55 miles and that included 30 motorway miles. No way was 40km reasonable
If that was the early 22kWh/60Ah REx model, that’s totally normal for the car.
Really interesting.
I'm just looking at options for a second hand EV so this is very timely
They look like bargains now if you're ok with the infotainment system. I'm sure six months ago there was nothing less than £20k.
But with only a 1 year warrenty . Its also too new for DIY work arounds and cheap alternative parts, so you are dependent on the dealer, thus a failed AC compressor will set you back 3 grand - such a part for an older car would cost 250 quid. I think the ID3 will make a great old banger choice for the DIY mechanic when they are 10 years old but as a nearly new car they are very expensive. Oh and the dealer network cant cope so you wait months for any repair. To add to the fun, if you have to buy your 15 grand UK price car in the EU it will be over 20 grand.
Seen a canny view ID3 s with 40k miles for around 13 grand
Hey, this tour was great! Thanks Jack.
Seems like people are opening their eyes and smelling the coffee and not the combustion crap
EVs depreciating 90% in 24 months means combustion is crap? lol
@@glennv3176everyone is selling theirs for cheap so we can all have one and save the world, it's not depreciation, it's charity
(yes I'm being sarcastic)
@@glennv3176 - Indeed it does in the 2nd hand market, with ICE no longer the only available option for saving significant amounts of money over buying new. User's choice: cheap ICE car but expensive fuel, or cheap BEV and cheap charging. It's very likely ICE will start to suffer in the 2nd hand market with prices decreasing to remain competitive with the number of BEVs becoming available, then the depreciation experienced by BEVs may will infect new ICE cars as well. I wonder if fossil addicts will be happy about that occuring as they have with BEV depreciation.
@@glennv3176 - wait till you see the petrol/diesel ICE car depreciation in a couple of years once new ICE car production have shifted to hybrid only production and the 2nd user market is awash with BEV and PHEV at competitive prices. The dealers won't be able to shift the ICEs whether new or old, except in those places in the world that are lagging far behind, even there the rest of the world will export their surplus ICE to offload the problem.
@@glennv3176 90%? Do the math again.
Please can you do a video on the home charger thing? All well and good flying off to sunny locations, sponsored by the manufactures and the odd second-hand parking lot. can you please give us some guidance on wall chargers, shared driveways and allocated parking?
People moaning that EVs lose value aren't getting it - it's a consequence of 3+ year old EVs starting to enter the second hand market in quantity combined with price pressure on new EVs. Simply put, new EVs are dropping in price, becoming more affordable and this means that the value of 2nd hands are doing likewise.
Moaners 3 years ago: Oh no, they're too expensive! What normal people would buy one?
Same people now: They've lost too much value! It's a waste of money!
Some people just like to moan about new things.
Indeed with ICE no longer the only available option for saving significant amounts of money over buying new. User's choice: cheap ICE car but expensive fuel, or cheap BEV and cheap charging. It's very likely ICE will start to suffer as well in the 2nd hand market with prices decreasing to remain competitive with the number of BEVs becoming available, then the depreciation experienced by BEVs may will infect new ICE cars as well. I wonder if fossil addicts will be happy about that occuring as they have with BEV depreciation.
@@GruffSillyGoatLots of people without access to cheap home charging at the mo' so plenty of fossil market.
@@AnonYmous-rw6un - Depends upon circumastances, destination charging (particularly at work) allows adoption. Similarly in areas with steetside charging or community charging - such as at new developments in the last few years (including flats) - support shared 'home' charging. Access to local low cost public charging (e.g. supercharger or supermarket chainging) also means it's still cost effective (even more so if the public charging vat rate is dropped to the domestic energy rate). One estimate is that the 60 to 70% with some form of home charging extends to 80% when including localised charging. For this segment BEVs will become more an more attractive.
The final 20% is the harder to address segment, some of which (primary terrace housing) could be addressed by gully charging (packages of chargers and low profile secure cable gullys for on street charging). The remainder (older flats etc) forms of community access charging are being looked into. Though for this segment running a BEV, whilst still cheaper than a ICE car, will not be as cheap as those with home charging nor as easy to manage.
Perfect video for me right now as I'm looking to buy an ev for the first time and these are around my budget. So, what am I choosing? Who the hell knows!!! 😆
With Musk having completely lost the plot, it's time to think about whether a Tesla is really what you want.
What's with all the Elon hate? How exactly has he lost the plot? Because he endorsed "orange man bad" instead of some senile geriatric who's done his best to attack him and his companies?
@@airchie2 - why assume politics, I read the OPs comment was about sticking to high premium models and focussing on the Cybertruck that has more limited appeal outside of the USA, rather than doing as was previously promissed and introducing more affordable and accessible models.
@@GruffSillyGoat maybe, but why would you not want to be seen driving a Tesla because Musk released a pickup?
@@airchie2 - Who said anything about image or vanity? ... Perhaps you misread *appeal* as such rather than its meaning as offering benefits deemed of need by oneself or useful in one's vicinity. The issue is more practical one of focusing on a niche model to the detriment of more universal (appealing) models that had been promised.
They can't go cheap until they have the means to go cheap. 4680 development has been slow and they wanted to develop their unboxed manufacturing. Might be past the worst of 4680 and clearly the sales drop has forced them to try to make a cheaper model before they're fully unboxed.
when he says the early zoes came with chaedmo, he means type-2 rapid charging (22kW or 43kW on some models). There are rapid type 2s out there but they are a bit harder to track down.
The lesson here seems to be don't buy a new EV
Don't buy a new car period if you don't like to waste money. Reliable sellers and checking the cars crash history is of course important
Don't buy a new EV 4 years ago. Today's battery prices have lowered new car prices, which is why depreciation from the old price is so steep.
@@xWood4000 - or buy it on PCP but only when the rates are dirt cheap, if car drops value just hand it back. Plus negotiate hard for discount incentive, service package and add-ons. With BEVs this makes sense as it's a good way of accessing higher range cars that save more on everyday usage (though pick those with good efficiency rather than vanity/halo models).
The high depreciation experienced at the moment is a transistional shift event, reflecting the drop in battery prices that new EV's prices have yet to reflect - the majority of EV models were sold till now have been high value, high spec, high premium cars that have had the most to loose. As more affordable new models start to become the majority then depreciation will not be so marked as it is now.
Great prez, but I'd like to see a primer "Haggling with Auto dealers 101":
"uh, that's more than I can afford right now" ...
"dear, I'll just have to go away and save another couple years"
"I've got a cashiers cheq here, for two thousand less than that.."
.. help me!
Jack, I love you, and I'm a married heterosexual man.
😂😂
I really do love and appreciate yourself. The Highlander PS kindness is always free.😊
Tesla 😊
only fly in the ointment in the UK is that any of those originally priced at over £40K new will be liable to luxury car tax in years 2 to 5 of ownership, approx £400 pa
Never tesla. New or used or free. I am not supporting elons hate agenda.
Hate agenda!? 🤣 What are you on about?
@@airchie2 settle down fanboy. Don't you have a white pride March to prepare for? Or were you leaning towards burning the immigrants out of their homes? So many different causes these days. Hope those Andrew Tate alpha male courses have paid off. Great investment.
@@airchie2the feigned ignorance is tiresome, guy.
@@onetwothreefour-s1n nothing feigned about it, guy.
The people in the EU have been brainwashed into thinking free speech is a bad thing. The best thing Elon did was take Twitter away from the governments propaganda.
This really has awoken my interest, though I’m still a few years off changing my current petrol estate. But have found myself on Cinch looking at the Ioniq 5 and for just over £20k that is quite enticing. Always liked the little Peugeot e-208 as well. Really enjoyed this video and clever of Cinch and Fully Charged to do this.
Great video thanks! Was hoping you were going to talk about the iX3 that glided past as you were talking about the Ioniq 6! I know you weren't a big fan when you reviewed it a while back but I've been using one for nearly 3 years now and it's been faultless. And good for 300 miles in this weather.
Far more interesting than the new stuff vids. Keep them coming.
Brilliant proof that you don't have to pay silly money for an EV! I can't wait to buy my next car but at the moment still happy with driving the Zoe GT!
Just bought my second Ioniq 5. Just 9000km and a good 15k off new price for top of the range long range version. Awesome. My wife is having my current Ioniq 5 and a frriend is buying her brilliant E-Niro from us
Jack Scarlett! Zoë never had Chademo. Some models only had type 2, but all are at at least 22kw AC and even Phase 1 have air cooled battery. They’re heat pump only so ensure it works in heat and cool mode and that the BMS firmware is up to date otherwise range looks inaccurately low.
2:58 we love our 2021 Zoe ZE50 .. had just over a year now..