As an islander, born and bred, we would all sooner leave our home and generations of history then be taken over by the people across the water. We are British and always will be. No one deserves the right to decide what happens to our HOME apart from us.
The people of the Falklands had a referendum and they overwhelmingly voted to stay part of the UK. The people have spoken, what do people suggest we just tell them "sorry, passports back or you all leave your homes"?
@@Humilladordekelpers-jq2dnArgentinians aren’t Chagosians, mainly because they only tried to colonise the Falklands with a fishing village, colonising a region doesn’t make you its native inhabitants until generations after (not 10 years which was the survival of the colony.)
@@MtaLucasSmith 1765 britain claimed the falklands and created a garrison there. 1770 spanish force landed which stole the islands from us. ergo spain stole the islands from the british BEFORE argentina even existed. you are the liar and the pirate. Instead of focusing on the falklands why don't you give back the territory in the west of argentina back to the indigenous peoples who owned their land before the spanish stole it from them? i would have more sympathy for your claim if you weren't such a hypocrite.
@@MtaLucasSmithcolonists lost land to other colonists, this has happened hundreds of times in history, your colonists were barely even settled when the British secured the island, wouldn’t even have been valid for citizenship in some countries.
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833 Don't lie
@@gustavocomunicacionWrong. There was an ILLEGAL Argentine governor who was only on the islands in the first place with British permission, who also got permission to bring in settlers, most of whom were NOT Argentinian.
@@gustavocomunicacion This is such an obnoxious argument, that was for only 3 years and those Argentinians had invaded the island prior to be there. English first landed and claimed the islands, that's were you must start, there's no indigenous population. To claim the islands are something other than British is purely ideological.
@@gustavocomunicaciona failed colony is not a valid claim under international law, generations of Argentinians didn’t live in the Falklands, they were never indigenous
That's ok if they feel British. But Islands are Argentinians . There were inhabitants and they were invaded in 1833 after two attemps of invading Buenos Aires in 1806
It's not 'handing back' they were never Argentinian in the first place, they have no valid claim, France and Spain had a claim, but they relinquished those territorial claims. The Falklands were a British territory before Argentina gained its independence from Spain, so they have never had a valid claim.
@@MtaLucasSmith The British claimed the Falklands in 1690 and did not relinquish that claim, Argentina did not exist until 1816 after gaining independence from the Spanish it's territories were defined at that point and that did not extend to the Falklands. So how were they ever Argentinian? The only Countries that had claims to the Falklands sovereignty at that point were the British and the Spanish, in 1820 Argentina tried to illegally lay claim and capture territory that was not theirs and was not recognised as being part of the territories of Argentina. Even back then, there was no valid claim and the territorial claim of Britain was recognised over the Falklands by other nations, and NOT the claim of Argentina. Even back then Argentina were the invaders and were recognised as such.
This really isn't complicated, we wouldn't handover another part of the UK because it's 'cheaper' not to defend it. That's just telling the entire world you will always respond to threats by giving the bully what they want. They are British citizens, no less so than someone in Kent or Cornwall.
It isn't part of the UK like the Shetland Islands or even Northern Ireland, it is a British Overseas Territory, basically a dependency where the Islanders have the right to come and live and work here in the UK without restrictions but we don't in the other direction, which is the least they could do considering we fought a war to protect them!!!
@@nicenac stating that the UK fought a war to protect 1800 people at that time is naïve. In that case, Russia is fighting to protect people in the Dombass region. Doesn't sound very realistic, does it?
UK citizens live on the Falkland Islands and the islands are a part of the UK so therefore the government has a duty to protect them. Just because Ed is closer to the fridge it doesn't mean that Susanna should hand over ownership of her lunch to Ed.
This argument comes up every few years. Anyone that knows anything about the history of the Falklands and the people that live there know that the people see themselves as british
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
@pedropabloulloa6294 the UN doesn't mean anything. They have no power to hand over sovereignty of a territory. The UK won't agree to that after we fought and lost hundreds of soldiers.
@@Roar1987 Resolution 2065 of the General Assembly does not order to hand over the islands. Start reading instead of barking. If the UN doesn't mean anything, why was the UK one of the countries which created it? Why is it one of the five permanent members of the Security Council?
Sorry Simon Jenkins is not a Falklands historian. I would suggest he reads the comprehensive history written by Peter Pepper, Steven Potts. Simon Jenkins “facts” are totally inaccurate. We have never been a grant in aid colony. We raise our money through taxation and we support our people with our money in healthcare, education, infrastructure and contribute to our defense, the British forces are hear because of the aggressive Argentine neighbors. 99.8% voted to say we want to say British and to correct Simon Jenkins in the 1970’s we shouted as loudly as possible we didn’t want lease back and we didn’t want anything to do with Argentina. Simon Jenkins, you lie like Trump, shame on you! Thank you Simon Weston for your support in ‘82 and still today.
Simon (Jenkins), about 0.1% of the UK's Defence Budget is spent on the Falklands, and it is around £60 million NOT £250M. Also the population is 3700 not 1200. They are NOT a colony as nobody lived there before the Islanders.
Not only is your last sentences false, but also it is contradictory with the British version. I'd advise you to check both the British and Argentine versions and arguments. What is the truth?
As a Falkland descendant and someone who still has family in the Falklands. Let me clarify a couple of points. The Falklanders chose to be British. My family have been in the islands since 1841. The islands have a right to self determination, any conversation on the Falklands NEEDS to involve the islanders. Secondly where does this end if the islanders are an “implanted population”. What is the rest of Latin South America then? Simon Jenkins uses Hong Kong google it’s working well. Not!
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Only time it wasnt British is whrn argies invaded ,prior to that the only inhabitants were british ,,spain once came to island hence san carlos bay ,but were quickly got rid of
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833 Don't lie
I think that the people who live there should have the choice. Not some politicians who have never been there, do not respect the history of this country and are disrespectful of both the Islanders and the people who died there in the war. Sometimes you have to stand up and do the right thing. This government do not have a backbone because they celebrate diversity. No, we are British, and we stand up for what's right. We need to get this government out of power ASAP. They are full of people that do not have a spine, an ounce of courage, and have lost their moral compass because of money.
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833
Regardless of whether or not we "should", Starmer will. All the overseas territories will be handed over on a golden platter once he gets the inclination.
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
They also have an outdated airforce that does not have the logistical means to keep aircraft operational for long durations of time, away from home. They've only just been granted the ability to own outdated F16s. Which would be no match for F35s or the Eurofighter Typhoons, which are stationed there.
The truth is that the referendum doesn't grant property rights over the land. For the international community and the UN who rejected the principle of self-determination of peoples in this case, this is the case of English people living in a foreign territory, wether you like it or not. If you go to a foreign country and say I'm English that doesnt make the land you are living in English, especially when you displace military outposts. More Argentinians died in that war defending the islands than British people. The worst part is that Argentinians are willing to grant people living in the island autonomy, so nothing will change for them, not even their political status if they choose to remain English. Argentinians are not hostile towards English people and in fact they were against the war in the first place an also against the dictatorship that was in power back in those days who took the desition. Argentina and England should be allies not enemies and should find a way to settle this issue peacefully instead of risking another war. In fact the way Argentina will grow economically in the coming years it would be the best to reach an agreement now while UK has the upper hand.
If the Falkland Islanders want to keep their ties with Britain then we have a moral responsibility to ensure that their wishes are respected. We did so by sacrificing blood and treasure 40 years ago and the argument has not changed one bit since. Should we just turn our backs on people who cannot defend themselves because it's a bit too expensive. If so, what does that make us?
NATO only applies to territories in the North Atlantic, so even the U.S. state of Hawaii would be excluded. Though I think that many of our allies would help us regardless. The UK did receive support from its NATO allies, as well as members of the Commonwealth. This included the U.S. and France despite both countries having areas of cooperation with the Argentine government. The motivation for this, at least on the U.S. side, was that its relationship with the UK was more important than the risk of possibly damaging our relationship with South America, and that a British defeat in the Falklands Wars would undermine NATO’s deterrence factor. So in the case of the Falklands War, the UK’s membership in NATO did help it, just not in the way you would have expected.
@@americanminotaur2518 Perhaps you should make a clear distinction. One thing is the use of force and quite another thing is diplomacy. Check US Department of State position. The US is neutral, the US does not recognise either British or Argentine sovereignty. The US only recognises a "de facto" administration by the UK. In Law, "de facto" means "by force, illegal", the contrary to "de iure", "legal".
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Argentina se independizó en 1816 y ocupo las islas MALVINAS en 1820 hasta 1833 ,cuando los piratas ingleses invadieron las islas y expulsaron a la población
@@Humilladordekelpers-jq2dnBritain took formal possession of the islands in 1690, settled them in 1765, and the population of 1833 had gotten British permission to be on the islands and thus wasn't expelled. The illegitimate governor and garrison were because they had no such permission to be there.
If you give up the Falklands because it is too "costly" then you have to give up all the other military bases and territories around the world, they are "costly" too. Therefore Britiain would give up its global reach and influence.
Hong Kong was a lease. Not the same thing at all. The British gave up Hong Kong at the end of the lease as they were supposed. just like when you rent a car or you rent a house you return it at the end of the lease. Falkand islands is a different story
and if any other Country does what the Brits do they are condemned, give them back, it was never yours, start with the six Counties of the North East of Ireland. And what is it that you say about Russia?
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833 Don't lie
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
I think they should never have been fought for. The lives we lost for something that has never physically been conected to us. We should have relocated our people, save the military personnel lives and huge cost.
Why should people who have lived on the islands for generations have to move? There wasn’t an indigenous population on the island before the British settlement
@@tbag315 Why should we? Argentina never settled there, it was uninhabited when we arrived. What you are saying is if a country invades your territory, just hand it over to prevent loss of life. Great idea
The Falkland Islands were never Argentinian. It’s bizarre because argies are literally colonist from Spain, Italy and not to forget a few nazis from Germany.
Preguntelen a sus Habitantes, tienen nacionalidad inglesa . Progresaron muchísisimo felices Por favor , en el Lugar de ellos yo ni soñar cambiaría status
they were UNOCCUPIED, that's why and the UK wanted the outpost for stragic reasons. Spain did originally lay claim, but that was overturned in 1833. PS: The archipelago is 300 miles away from the continent of South America. They are not 'just off the coast' Mr Jenkins.
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 In order to write a serious comment, you should check both versions of the history of the islands, both the British and the Argentine. There is an undeniable fact: 1833, the islands were occupied.
@pedropabloulloa6294 Pedro, In 1833, the islands were UNOCCUPIED as I understand it, Argentine was declared in 1816. Anyway, neither of us was around at the time to confirm. I accept that Argentine claims the Falklands, South Georgia, etc, but it's just a claim at the end of the day.
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 What you say is quite strange. How can you use as an augument that living people were not there to confirm. There are documents, as in every case in history, that prove there were people prior to 1833. Furthermore, in the Archivo de Sevilla, there are more documents informing Madrid of each and every step the governor of the islands sent to the viceroy in Buenos Aires, and from there to Madrid. As if this weren't enough, there are British documents that state the islands were occupied.
@ why do I find that hard to believe? The U.K. should make overseas territories integral part of economy and offer free movement to them all. What’s the point in having them otherwise?
Did you know one of Starmers seven uncles fell into a black hole £22 billion deep and got out by climbing up a ladder made from dead frozen pensioners True!
*Not our land. How about we stop acting as though something is ours just because we decide to take it by force? We claim to be civilised but ate very far from when we behave like this. Let's grow up and be adults.*
@@jamesmcnaboe8184 Not true, loads of Spanish named features and landmarks on the islands from before the UK arrived. There wasn’t a San Carlos clan from Scotland.
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Not ours to give all time 75% and more of population insist to remain being british we must be there for them whilst ppl so want..islands are not old dishclothes to be chucked out
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
No, we didn't we've been there for 200 years. You're probably thinking of the the Azores, where we loaned a few bases from Portugal in 1943 but we did give them back.
No, the Falklands have never belonged to Argentina. They have never had rights to it, but they’ve been teaching their children for years that they do🤷♂️
@kattriceberntsen983 how many people do live there then? I don't claim to be any kind of an expert. I know what I do and don't want my tax money going towards though. I don't want it going towards islands thousands of miles away. I don't see why those Islanders can't pay for their own defense. I would like to see my tax money helping people who live in Scotland. Is that somehow wrong?
How do you know the islanders dont pay their own way to defence tax? Whats the difference in helping britons down in the Falkland Islands to Scottish folk? (Half of the scots dont even want to be associated with Britain anyway). Asif its your own personal tax fund that floats the whole defence budget anyway👍 might i add as well theres alot of Scottish people living out in the Falkland Islands.. guess you dont fancy helping then
@georgekaye9838 according to this debate that is the subject of this video, Islanders don't pay for their own defense. The Islanders had a referendum to see if they wanted to remain part of the UK. How about those of us paying tax in the UK have a referendum to see if we want to continue funding their defense?
@Gw1209l at what point did I imply it's my own personal tax find that funds all of the Falklands defense budget? I just said I don't want my taxes being used for that purpose. I also don't want my taxes used for hotels to house illegals. If that's somehow wrong or inhumane then I guess I'll just have to live with the guilt.
Proximity has nowt to do with sovereignty, it was an empty island when it was settled by the British, nearly 200 years ago and the islanders still want it to be British. That makes it a stronger claim than many territories most wouldn't even question - European borders are very different today than they were back then, most of the current US wasn't American, heck Hawaii is 5,000 miles from DC, and an existing non-US population was there, when it was annexed c. 130 years ago.
Exactly, the UK’s island stealing shenanigans are setting the worst precedent for China taking over islands near Philippines and Taiwan that are nowhere near China and mere kilometers from Philippines and Taiwan.
I think with Starmers track record if he says the Falklands are safe the people living on the Falklands should be very worried.
We should handover Simon Jenkins to the Argentinians instead.
As an islander, born and bred, we would all sooner leave our home and generations of history then be taken over by the people across the water. We are British and always will be. No one deserves the right to decide what happens to our HOME apart from us.
Where was your family 400 years ago? Not in the Falklands I can tell you that much.
@@chrisk7118your point?
@@chrisk7118 They wouldnt of been from argentina as the country hadnt formed 400 years ago.
@@chrisk7118cant see the relevance of your point as the country did not exist
@@chrisk7118what is your point?
The people of the Falklands had a referendum and they overwhelmingly voted to stay part of the UK. The people have spoken, what do people suggest we just tell them "sorry, passports back or you all leave your homes"?
Gerrymandering the electorate through political and social manipulation is not a legitimate election!
¿Habia referéndum cuando expulsaron a los chagocianos de su isla?
Pero esa gente fue traída de Inglaterra, obvio que votarán de esa manera. Son usurpadores y, más temprano que tarde, dejaran la ocupación
@@Humilladordekelpers-jq2dnArgentinians aren’t Chagosians, mainly because they only tried to colonise the Falklands with a fishing village, colonising a region doesn’t make you its native inhabitants until generations after (not 10 years which was the survival of the colony.)
@zarovich9397 are English natives of the UK?
how do we give something back when it was never theirs in the first place?
1833... Gobernador Luis Vernet was take appart by your royal marines with our gauchos and people in there. So yeah was OURS pirate
@@MtaLucasSmith 1765 britain claimed the falklands and created a garrison there. 1770 spanish force landed which stole the islands from us.
ergo spain stole the islands from the british BEFORE argentina even existed.
you are the liar and the pirate.
Instead of focusing on the falklands why don't you give back the territory in the west of argentina back to the indigenous peoples who owned their land before the spanish stole it from them?
i would have more sympathy for your claim if you weren't such a hypocrite.
@@MtaLucasSmithcolonists lost land to other colonists, this has happened hundreds of times in history, your colonists were barely even settled when the British secured the island, wouldn’t even have been valid for citizenship in some countries.
Gibraltar is from Spain
Malvinas is from Argentina
Chagos is from Mauritius
Akrotiri and Dekelia is from Cyprus
End of Colonialism !!!
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833
Don't lie
stop saying "handing back"... Argentina never owned the islands. Its not handing back it would would giving...
There was a Argentinian Governor and people living in the the islands until 1833 when British invaded Britain invaded our Islands Islas Malvinas.
@@gustavocomunicacionWrong. There was an ILLEGAL Argentine governor who was only on the islands in the first place with British permission, who also got permission to bring in settlers, most of whom were NOT Argentinian.
@@gustavocomunicacion This is such an obnoxious argument, that was for only 3 years and those Argentinians had invaded the island prior to be there. English first landed and claimed the islands, that's were you must start, there's no indigenous population. To claim the islands are something other than British is purely ideological.
@@gustavocomunicaciona failed colony is not a valid claim under international law, generations of Argentinians didn’t live in the Falklands, they were never indigenous
@@gustavocomunicacion simply wrong. Falklands are British 🇫🇰
The Falklands are British and should remain British.
Always good to see Simon Weston CBE.....lovely bloke!
The Falkland Islanders want to be British, don't sell them out...
Llevenselos a inglaterra , nosotros nos quedamos con las islas 😂
That's ok if they feel British. But Islands are Argentinians . There were inhabitants and they were invaded in 1833 after two attemps of invading Buenos Aires in 1806
Keep them we don't love them to haha pirates
@@MtaLucasSmithonly if you give Patagonia back to the natives thanks
@@Humilladordekelpers-jq2dn they are not yours to keep.
Simon has been a national treasure for decades.
We fought a war to defend the Falklands Islands. Case closed.
You stole in 1833 and Taken away gobernador Luis Vernet. Pirate all damage You do arround the world gonna be pay
a pointless one
You mean you win the war, because Argentinians also fought the war to defend the Islands.
It's not 'handing back' they were never Argentinian in the first place, they have no valid claim, France and Spain had a claim, but they relinquished those territorial claims. The Falklands were a British territory before Argentina gained its independence from Spain, so they have never had a valid claim.
agreed
Gobernador Luis Vernet was the last argentine in Charge until your royal marines come in 1833 pirate
@@MtaLucasSmith The British claimed the Falklands in 1690 and did not relinquish that claim, Argentina did not exist until 1816 after gaining independence from the Spanish it's territories were defined at that point and that did not extend to the Falklands. So how were they ever Argentinian?
The only Countries that had claims to the Falklands sovereignty at that point were the British and the Spanish, in 1820 Argentina tried to illegally lay claim and capture territory that was not theirs and was not recognised as being part of the territories of Argentina.
Even back then, there was no valid claim and the territorial claim of Britain was recognised over the Falklands by other nations, and NOT the claim of Argentina. Even back then Argentina were the invaders and were recognised as such.
@mrfried where's your avatar from? It's nice
Gibraltar is from Spain
Malvinas is from Argentina
Chagos is from Mauritius
Akrotiri and Dekelia is from Cyprus
End of Colonialism !!!
This really isn't complicated, we wouldn't handover another part of the UK because it's 'cheaper' not to defend it. That's just telling the entire world you will always respond to threats by giving the bully what they want. They are British citizens, no less so than someone in Kent or Cornwall.
It isn't part of the UK like the Shetland Islands or even Northern Ireland, it is a British Overseas Territory, basically a dependency where the Islanders have the right to come and live and work here in the UK without restrictions but we don't in the other direction, which is the least they could do considering we fought a war to protect them!!!
UK is in the wrong continent, buddy
@@nicenac stating that the UK fought a war to protect 1800 people at that time is naïve. In that case, Russia is fighting to protect people in the Dombass region. Doesn't sound very realistic, does it?
UK citizens live on the Falkland Islands and the islands are a part of the UK so therefore the government has a duty to protect them. Just because Ed is closer to the fridge it doesn't mean that Susanna should hand over ownership of her lunch to Ed.
No magic water rule. Of course those Islands are british.
How so? Because we stole them? Grow up kid.
@@Matt_Mosley1983 Argentina wasnt even a country when the falklands became british.
@@Matt_Mosley1983 british found the Islands 1690. No persons lived there.
Exactly 100%@@Matt_Mosley1983
@@jake751 Not exactly, they weren't owned ffs. Not that you'd understand the concept of ownership.
This argument comes up every few years. Anyone that knows anything about the history of the Falklands and the people that live there know that the people see themselves as british
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Insulting this is even being discussed actually. There's no discussion to be had, the Falklands belong to the UK. Period.
How can you write a period when the dispute of sovereignty is still pending in the United Nations?
@pedropabloulloa6294 the UN doesn't mean anything. They have no power to hand over sovereignty of a territory. The UK won't agree to that after we fought and lost hundreds of soldiers.
@@Roar1987 Resolution 2065 of the General Assembly does not order to hand over the islands. Start reading instead of barking.
If the UN doesn't mean anything, why was the UK one of the countries which created it? Why is it one of the five permanent members of the Security Council?
Well said Simon
Which one?
@@mjl2904 Simon Weston
Sorry Simon Jenkins is not a Falklands historian. I would suggest he reads the comprehensive history written by Peter Pepper, Steven Potts. Simon Jenkins “facts” are totally inaccurate. We have never been a grant in aid colony. We raise our money through taxation and we support our people with our money in healthcare, education, infrastructure and contribute to our defense, the British forces are hear because of the aggressive Argentine neighbors. 99.8% voted to say we want to say British and to correct Simon Jenkins in the 1970’s we shouted as loudly as possible we didn’t want lease back and we didn’t want anything to do with Argentina. Simon Jenkins, you lie like Trump, shame on you! Thank you Simon Weston for your support in ‘82 and still today.
It's be fantastic if you also read Argentina's answers to the "comprehensive history" of Pepper & Co.
Nope
Sorry - Simon Jenkins IS NOT a historian. He's a journalist - an opinion writer for the Guardian.
Simon (Jenkins), about 0.1% of the UK's Defence Budget is spent on the Falklands, and it is around £60 million NOT £250M. Also the population is 3700 not 1200. They are NOT a colony as nobody lived there before the Islanders.
Not only is your last sentences false, but also it is contradictory with the British version. I'd advise you to check both the British and Argentine versions and arguments. What is the truth?
No
As a Falkland descendant and someone who still has family in the Falklands. Let me clarify a couple of points. The Falklanders chose to be British. My family have been in the islands since 1841. The islands have a right to self determination, any conversation on the Falklands NEEDS to involve the islanders. Secondly where does this end if the islanders are an “implanted population”. What is the rest of Latin South America then? Simon Jenkins uses Hong Kong google it’s working well. Not!
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Falkands islands are british forever yei
Our economy should be intricately integrated with all overseas territories
I am not sure that Simon Jenkins realises that the Falklands is not a colony. What on earth is he talking about?
As Falklands sao britânico sempre🇫🇰🇫🇰. 🇦🇷🤮🤮Chora Argentina
Only time it wasnt British is whrn argies invaded ,prior to that the only inhabitants were british ,,spain once came to island hence san carlos bay ,but were quickly got rid of
El Infeliz borracho de Galtieri or so que ganaría apoyo era and I Las isles
Logró muertes inútiles en ambos lados
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833
Don't lie
I think that the people who live there should have the choice. Not some politicians who have never been there, do not respect the history of this country and are disrespectful of both the Islanders and the people who died there in the war. Sometimes you have to stand up and do the right thing. This government do not have a backbone because they celebrate diversity. No, we are British, and we stand up for what's right. We need to get this government out of power ASAP. They are full of people that do not have a spine, an ounce of courage, and have lost their moral compass because of money.
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Argentina can get stuffed. Leave it at that and deal with actual important issues in actual Britain already. 😴
Absolutely not
The Malvinas Islands is Argentina 🇦🇷👑
No. Get over it.
Buenos Aires is British 🇬🇧👑
Should not even be a discussion.
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833
Regardless of whether or not we "should", Starmer will. All the overseas territories will be handed over on a golden platter once he gets the inclination.
May God hears you 😂
Before you ask us you should be asking the islanders it's their home
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Question if Argentina invades the Falklands who is going to stop them as the UK has no navy, no army, no airforce.
Britain has two aircraft carriers , 10 nuclear submarines and 6 AA Destroyers. Argentina has 2 inactive diesel-electric subs and no destroyers
They also have an outdated airforce that does not have the logistical means to keep aircraft operational for long durations of time, away from home. They've only just been granted the ability to own outdated F16s. Which would be no match for F35s or the Eurofighter Typhoons, which are stationed there.
@@p3rran los a4 tambien eran obsoletos y te fuiste con un cuarto de flota dañana o hundida
@@zarovich9397 tranquilo que milei nos esta rearmando de nuevo
@@Its.Mine1 Last time we only needed the navy, paras and Marines. Ask the argies what it was like when the Royal Marines rocked up to play.
The truth is that the referendum doesn't grant property rights over the land. For the international community and the UN who rejected the principle of self-determination of peoples in this case, this is the case of English people living in a foreign territory, wether you like it or not. If you go to a foreign country and say I'm English that doesnt make the land you are living in English, especially when you displace military outposts. More Argentinians died in that war defending the islands than British people. The worst part is that Argentinians are willing to grant people living in the island autonomy, so nothing will change for them, not even their political status if they choose to remain English. Argentinians are not hostile towards English people and in fact they were against the war in the first place an also against the dictatorship that was in power back in those days who took the desition.
Argentina and England should be allies not enemies and should find a way to settle this issue peacefully instead of risking another war. In fact the way Argentina will grow economically in the coming years it would be the best to reach an agreement now while UK has the upper hand.
Given the UK's economic struggles, if the people of Falklands want to be part of Argentina, sign off on it.
Argentinas economic struggles are like 100x worse lol
They really don’t though.
UK🇬🇧.....People died we must always keep....❤
If the Falkland Islanders want to keep their ties with Britain then we have a moral responsibility to ensure that their wishes are respected. We did so by sacrificing blood and treasure 40 years ago and the argument has not changed one bit since. Should we just turn our backs on people who cannot defend themselves because it's a bit too expensive. If so, what does that make us?
TIME WOKE UP UN NATO EU ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS.WE KEEP ALL THESE ISLANDS AS STRATEGIC SECURITY BUT BONUS IS THE PEOPLE WANT TO RETAIN UNION BRITISH
NATO only applies to territories in the North Atlantic, so even the U.S. state of Hawaii would be excluded. Though I think that many of our allies would help us regardless. The UK did receive support from its NATO allies, as well as members of the Commonwealth. This included the U.S. and France despite both countries having areas of cooperation with the Argentine government. The motivation for this, at least on the U.S. side, was that its relationship with the UK was more important than the risk of possibly damaging our relationship with South America, and that a British defeat in the Falklands Wars would undermine NATO’s deterrence factor. So in the case of the Falklands War, the UK’s membership in NATO did help it, just not in the way you would have expected.
@@americanminotaur2518 Perhaps you should make a clear distinction. One thing is the use of force and quite another thing is diplomacy.
Check US Department of State position. The US is neutral, the US does not recognise either British or Argentine sovereignty. The US only recognises a "de facto" administration by the UK. In Law, "de facto" means "by force, illegal", the contrary to "de iure", "legal".
Call a referendum for the Islanders ,simple
¿Había referéndum cuando los ingleses expulsaron a los chagocianos de su isla?
No people died for the Falklands war
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Nobody is asking for nor suggesting that, why don’t you get on and report the many, serious and palpable issues facing the people of this country.
Not emotional reasons. Moral Reasons.
None of both. Economic Reasons.
The Falklands were discovered by British in 1786 Argentina was not a country until 1825 so their British obviously
Argentina se independizó en 1816 y ocupo las islas MALVINAS en 1820 hasta 1833 ,cuando los piratas ingleses invadieron las islas y expulsaron a la población
@@Humilladordekelpers-jq2dnBritain took formal possession of the islands in 1690, settled them in 1765, and the population of 1833 had gotten British permission to be on the islands and thus wasn't expelled. The illegitimate governor and garrison were because they had no such permission to be there.
Gibraltar is from Spain
Malvinas is from Argentina
Chagos is from Mauritius
Akrotiri and Dekelia is from Cyprus
End of Colonialism !!!
@@yaqui4994 Yap yap yap 🤡
Belongs to britain lot of lives where lost
NO.
First a war and than give it away again, very strange behavior.😂
If you give up the Falklands because it is too "costly" then you have to give up all the other military bases and territories around the world, they are "costly" too. Therefore Britiain would give up its global reach and influence.
Y not, lab giving uk away anyway.
Hong Kong was a lease. Not the same thing at all. The British gave up Hong Kong at the end of the lease as they were supposed. just like when you rent a car or you rent a house you return it at the end of the lease. Falkand islands is a different story
Britain killed 4 million Indians in Bengal in 1943 by imposing a famine
Why we must stand strong as people so our leaders don't betray us
Never in a million years remember the men that died for that
Lots of men died defending British territories all around the world that now are not British.
We welcome Argentine people to Falkland Islands as always.
and if any other Country does what the Brits do they are condemned, give them back, it was never yours, start with the six Counties of the North East of Ireland. And what is it that you say about Russia?
I would like you to give me back your house.
no they have never been argentine
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting the Spanish and Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833
Don't lie
Wow the fact this is still an issue shows how little we care about the people living there and their votes
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
How is this even a debate?
true
Because we don't accept the British sovereignity
Because there's a dispute of sovereignty in the United Nations.
@pedropabloulloa6294 This is no such thing, just a land grab by Argentina.
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 Whatever... be happy.
A fool is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
If Starmer gives the islands to the Argies, he can go with them.
Well said Simon Weston
Glad Starmer has said NO-WAY.
tens of millions is nothing... and its not the UK's to give away, the people chose to remain part of the uk. that's their choice.
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Sir Keir Starmer's uncle Jimmy nearly died fighting this war. He then went on to host the BBC's flagship programme "Jim'll Fix It"
Starmer said his uncle ship was torpedoed. Apparently no British Ship was torpedoed in the Falkland war. !!
Gibraltar is from Spain
Malvinas is from Argentina
Chagos is from Mauritius
Akrotiri and Dekelia is from Cyprus
End of Colonialism !!!
Nah it reflects UK's power and gangsta. Day time television doesn't get this.
If Stamer allows this to happen a vote of no confidence should follow
I think they should never have been fought for. The lives we lost for something that has never physically been conected to us. We should have relocated our people, save the military personnel lives and huge cost.
Why should people who have lived on the islands for generations have to move?
There wasn’t an indigenous population on the island before the British settlement
@@tbag315 Why should we? Argentina never settled there, it was uninhabited when we arrived. What you are saying is if a country invades your territory, just hand it over to prevent loss of life. Great idea
@@gucciadjective7745si estaba habitado por argentinos desde 1820 hasta 1833 ,despues vinieron los ingleses y los expulsaron
You mean like appease the dictator that ran Argentina at the time? Appeasing dictators demands is a great strat
Gibraltar is from Spain
Malvinas is from Argentina
Chagos is from Mauritius
Akrotiri and Dekelia is from Cyprus
End of Colonialism !!!
Is he on the same planet as us ?
Starmer says Gibraltar and the Falklands are safe until his handlers tell him otherwise. Mr flip flop strikes again, no doubt.
Would we now be in a position to defend the Falklands should another invasion occur?
Gibraltar is from Spain
Malvinas is from Argentina
Chagos is from Mauritius
Akrotiri and Dekelia is from Cyprus
End of Colonialism !!!
The Falkland Islands were never Argentinian. It’s bizarre because argies are literally colonist from Spain, Italy and not to forget a few nazis from Germany.
It's personal for Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer leader of Labour Party to keep
Yes
Absolutely not.
put simon jenkiins on goose green end the argument
NO
Preguntelen a sus Habitantes, tienen nacionalidad inglesa . Progresaron muchísisimo felices Por favor , en el Lugar de ellos yo ni soñar cambiaría status
What about the oil fields? Simon Jenkin's argument will fly out of the window.
Oil companies have done prospects, found "some" oil, but decided it is not profitable. Enterprises decided to invest in other areas of the world.
"sir" said no...😂😂😂labour has no clue
I wonder how or why, the islands became British.
they were UNOCCUPIED, that's why and the UK wanted the outpost for stragic reasons. Spain did originally lay claim, but that was overturned in 1833. PS: The archipelago is 300 miles away from the continent of South America. They are not 'just off the coast' Mr Jenkins.
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 In order to write a serious comment, you should check both versions of the history of the islands, both the British and the Argentine. There is an undeniable fact: 1833, the islands were occupied.
@pedropabloulloa6294 Pedro, In 1833, the islands were UNOCCUPIED as I understand it, Argentine was declared in 1816. Anyway, neither of us was around at the time to confirm. I accept that Argentine claims the Falklands, South Georgia, etc, but it's just a claim at the end of the day.
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 What you say is quite strange. How can you use as an augument that living people were not there to confirm. There are documents, as in every case in history, that prove there were people prior to 1833. Furthermore, in the Archivo de Sevilla, there are more documents informing Madrid of each and every step the governor of the islands sent to the viceroy in Buenos Aires, and from there to Madrid.
As if this weren't enough, there are British documents that state the islands were occupied.
I haven't listened to this video because both of the interviewers are a disgrace!
Yes but his word means nothing
Project Fear
Starmer can't be trusted
Who is he given the uk to. Alla
We need to drill for oil there
It has been done. "Some" oil was found, but enterprises discovered it is not a profitable.
@ why do I find that hard to believe? The U.K. should make overseas territories integral part of economy and offer free movement to them all. What’s the point in having them otherwise?
LOOK What happened to Hong Kong!
@jean-pierrecilliers2845 French?
Did you know one of Starmers seven uncles fell into a black hole £22 billion deep and got out by climbing up a ladder made from dead frozen pensioners True!
*Not our land. How about we stop acting as though something is ours just because we decide to take it by force? We claim to be civilised but ate very far from when we behave like this. Let's grow up and be adults.*
Only time it was inhabited by argies was during the conflict ,not 1 Argentinian civilian ever landed or stayed there
Why don’t you be a grown up and leave it up to the islanders who have lived there for generations?
@@taylorx10 said the child 😁 by definition why don't you stay out of it?
@@Matt_Mosley1983 touched a nerve did I 😂, get a grip lil bro
@@jamesmcnaboe8184 Not true, loads of Spanish named features and landmarks on the islands from before the UK arrived. There wasn’t a San Carlos clan from Scotland.
Jenkins is a robot, what about the people in the Falklands, they are English. Weston talks sence,
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
A very pompous and entitled question
ALL THESE ISLANDS
ARE NOWHERE NEAR ENGLAND
LEGAL THEFT WAS USED IN THEM DAYS
They weren't even inhabited
There nowhere near anywhere there in international waters.
ENGLAND? Get it right son
Theft from who? The only thing that was living on those islands when the British discovered them was the local wildlife.
@@p3rran
Its still Thefy
Legal Piracy
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
No.
@@zigongosaurus5274 si
Gibraltar is from Spain
Malvinas is from Argentina
Chagos is from Mauritius
Akrotiri and Dekelia is from Cyprus
End of Colonialism !!!
@@yaqui4994 Spain is from Muslims
Argentina is from Native Americans
Asia is from Neanderthals 😢
End homosapien colonialism
Buenos Aires is British 🇬🇧👑
Not ours to give all time 75% and more of population insist to remain being british we must be there for them whilst ppl so want..islands are not old dishclothes to be chucked out
UK stole the islands, expelled Argentinian people, implanted its own and now begs for self-determination
On the other hand, UK is one of the countries that rejects the will of Crimean and Donbass people to be part of Russia
But yeah, let's respect the opinion of implanted people
Didn't we ' loan' it from Argentina for an airbase for our troops during WW2 & never gave it back ?
No, we didn't we've been there for 200 years. You're probably thinking of the the Azores, where we loaned a few bases from Portugal in 1943 but we did give them back.
No, the Falklands have never belonged to Argentina. They have never had rights to it, but they’ve been teaching their children for years that they do🤷♂️
Nada es para siempre, algún día esas islas volverán con su verdadero dueño 🇦🇷🤜🏻🏴
Spain you mean????
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834ARGENTINA
You keep dreaming buddy
They are with the right owner
Argentina never had a legal claim. Just remember, the UK has the ability to reach Argentina. Argentina does NOT have the ability to reach the UK 😉
I don't want my tax money going to the Falklands. It's am obscene amount of momey for 1200 people.
Our population hasn’t been below 1200 since before the 1960s. Perhaps both you and Simon Jenkins need to get your facts correct.
@kattriceberntsen983 how many people do live there then? I don't claim to be any kind of an expert. I know what I do and don't want my tax money going towards though. I don't want it going towards islands thousands of miles away. I don't see why those Islanders can't pay for their own defense. I would like to see my tax money helping people who live in Scotland. Is that somehow wrong?
How do you know the islanders dont pay their own way to defence tax? Whats the difference in helping britons down in the Falkland Islands to Scottish folk? (Half of the scots dont even want to be associated with Britain anyway). Asif its your own personal tax fund that floats the whole defence budget anyway👍 might i add as well theres alot of Scottish people living out in the Falkland Islands.. guess you dont fancy helping then
@georgekaye9838 according to this debate that is the subject of this video, Islanders don't pay for their own defense. The Islanders had a referendum to see if they wanted to remain part of the UK. How about those of us paying tax in the UK have a referendum to see if we want to continue funding their defense?
@Gw1209l at what point did I imply it's my own personal tax find that funds all of the Falklands defense budget? I just said I don't want my taxes being used for that purpose. I also don't want my taxes used for hotels to house illegals. If that's somehow wrong or inhumane then I guess I'll just have to live with the guilt.
Last I checked the Falkland Islands were no where near the UK. The idea that they’re sovereign to the UK is absurd - it’s an ex-colony.
If you want to see British resolve try to take them
What does distance have to do with Sovereignty? By your logic countries the world over should be swapping land left right and centre
Proximity has nowt to do with sovereignty, it was an empty island when it was settled by the British, nearly 200 years ago and the islanders still want it to be British. That makes it a stronger claim than many territories most wouldn't even question - European borders are very different today than they were back then, most of the current US wasn't American, heck Hawaii is 5,000 miles from DC, and an existing non-US population was there, when it was annexed c. 130 years ago.
Exactly, the UK’s island stealing shenanigans are setting the worst precedent for China taking over islands near Philippines and Taiwan that are nowhere near China and mere kilometers from Philippines and Taiwan.
Yes I think the Falklands and Chagos etc are being handed back to reduce western hypocrisy when pushing back against China’s Pacific expansion.
Yes you should it’s not yours
Who’s is it then?