Forty years after Falklands War, wounds still run deep • FRANCE 24 English
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- Located in a far-flung corner of the south Atlantic, the Islas Malvinas or Falkland Islands are at the heart of an age-old rift between Argentina and the UK. Back in 1982, this escalated into a ten-week war between the two countries. Four decades on, Argentina's defeat against the British remains a gaping wound for the South American nation. More than eight out of ten Argentinians say their government should continue to claim sovereignty over the islands. FRANCE 24's Éléonore Vanel, Nicolas Flon and Flavian Charuel report.
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There is no point to this report other than to rehash the Argentina’s grievances over losing the war that they started.
FRANCE stoking the
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Still, it's funny to hear people mouthing slogans and confusing them with policy, or, even worse, thinking mouthing slogans will turn the slogans into reality.
See the comments below for manifold examples of this
The French want to sell more exocets to Argentina.
@@abdillahijalalkhan2128 They want to sell more exocets.
@@modelrailwaynoob They need to buy aircraft capable of carrying them first, and they are broke.
The Argentinians totally ignore the fact that the people of the Falklands are British in heritage, desire, and culture. It is shameful that these people are taught to disregard the will of the people of the Falklands.
They are also massive hypocrites, they are 90% European. They speak a European language, they are the whitest country in South America and are more European than the falklands themselves even though the Falklands were uninhabited and Argentina had a indigenous population?
yet somehow the people of the Falkland’s are colonial settlers and they are not?
THAT REFERENDUM WAS ILLEGAL NO INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION!!!! KEEEP DREAMING!!!! UK IS GOING TO SPLIT!!! MAY THE UK HELD THE SCOTTISH REFERENDUM AND DO NOT IGNORE THE DESIRE AND FUTURE PROSPECTS OF SCOTISH PEOLPLE!!! AND ALSO IN N.I JOINING IREALAND!!! CHAGOS SENTENCE MUST ALSO BE OBEY OF INTERNATIONAL COURT!!!
S no sabes nada de Argentina y de los argentinos, mejor no comentes. Nadie menosprecia y odia a los habitantes "implantados" de Malvinas. Acá lo que se discute es la Soberanía de Malvinas y esta no se negocia.
@@oscarbosio9881 Eso es para mi?
@@agustingonzaloposse4615 Está dirigido al que dice que los argentinos despreciamos la voluntad del pueblo británico
As an American when I see that almost all of the people who live on the Falklands and almost all who live there want to be under British rule then I believe that’s the way it should be.
Of course they will want to be british, the UK took them to live there😂
@@north4545-lu6fn Democratic elections in a territory with a population established by the UK itself😂😂
Im agree with that, is better than the falklands be part of a prosperous and rich country like UK and not a miserable and land full of poverty like great part of Argentina and LATAM, the same is US where great part of its territory was from Mexico and now as a part of the USA has the most prosperous and richest cities in the world (San Francisco, L.A, Houston, Dallas, etc.), if California, Arizona, Texas and others belong to Mexico could be full of misery, poverty and violence around them and with 100 years behind of the modernity, is sad but is true....
@@mateowag😂😂😂😂😂 doing this for 500 years....
@@mateowag before the british settlers arrived, nobody lived there and argentina wasn't a country yet
Anyone else see the massive irony of all those Argentinians accusing the British of piracy and colonialism, saying that the Falkland Islanders are a "transplanted population"...and making these claims in fluent Spanish? 😂
Especially considering the Brits were on the islands before the Spanish
@@eddiel7635 no, they were not. This claim is false and has been proven incorrect again and again. The islands were stolen. Plain and simple
@@andersbrixserup7718 it’s historical fact, it is what it is, the Argentine claim is based on base nationalism nothing more.
Bang on.
Yep. Argentina was built on Colonialism, and most Argentinians are not indigenous to South America. That's what is so funny.
this was a bias report in favour of argentina......hardly any british point of view...typical french attitude.
The French sold them the missiles that sunk our ships and also showed them how to use the harriers radar as a homing beacon. Backstabbing
Supporting UK is supporting imperialism. African and Asian countries back Argentina too. In Latin America, even Chile (which supported UK in 1982) backs Argentina now
@@SM-zm5xt Imperialism: "A policy of extending a country's power and influence through military force". AKA, what Argentina tried to do. Argentina are the imperialists in this story. The indigenous population of the islands are the only ones with any right to decide their future, and they choose to be British.
EU is better without UK in it
we the brits agree now feck off@@shway1
No mention by these biased reporters that the defeat of the Argentine military in the Falklands directly lead to the fall of the right-wing military junta and the restoration of democracy, legitimate government, the rule of law and the rights and protections that Argentinians take for granted today.
Yeah..... in 1983
@@SM-zm5xt What's your point? For forty years now Argentinas have been able to take for granted basic human rights? You firkin moron.
These reporters should report on some of Frances Islands aswell. Mayotte for example,that's around the same distance!!
And also this led to the re-election of Maggie in the UK, so I think the real winner here was Argentina!
@@peterp7541 thatcher was a better leader to stand up to the argentinians then any labour party mp in that time period
Very proud of the brave British troops who recaptured our islands and those who continue to defend it to this day.
Just shows what a well trained Millitary Unit can achieve against a huge Army and Airforce, their Navy wasn't much chop, one has to feel for their soldier's who were poorly led and equipment was still in store's in Fort Stanley and not out in the field.
I think the Falklands should become a full member of the United Kingdom
If Malvinas is "yours" then why it's legal status is annually discussed by the UN Special Comitee for Decolonization? (Yes, that's right de-colonization). because there is no doubt for the rest of the free world that Malvinas is a F-ing colony... An anachronic delusion of shameful colonial past.
@@gerardosalazar527 tell me, when was the last time Argentinians lived on the Falklands? Because as of now all the residents who reside on the Falklands and who would have to vote on the decolonization referendum, are British overseas citizens
That is correct, the unlawful and ilegal invasion was well executed after years and years of colonial experience.
The Falklands Islands don't belong to Britain or Argentina. They belong to the people who live there. If they choose to be British that's up to them. If they choose to be Argentinian that is up to them. The Argentinians fought for the Islands. The British fought for democracy.
If these people feel so brits. They should leave the islands.
If these people feel so brits. They should leave the islands.
And that is what the United Nations should say and if the Argies choose to ignore the UN like they did in 82 then the same result will be repeated - the bloke with the tattoo is just doing it because it is 'fashionable' and part of some imagined slight dreamed up by Peron and after him Galtieri and Anaya to divert opinion from domestic affairs - to encourage kids to take up this populist crap is like people wering Che Guevara T Shirts - ultimately all it is doing is selling T shirts - they have better claims to parts of Chile that are still disputed - they can see some advantage in mineral rights in The Falklands and that is why they will keep this burning
Yes, if there is free access to the islands. Your argument doesn't really work if access is restricted to everybody except for the sides that stole the islands
@@andersbrixserup7718 Why on earth would they let an influx of foreigners in to change the
dynamics of the islands ???
The French discovered the islands (named after St Malo), then the British who left for a while but maintained their claim. Then the Spanish, then the British again. Argentina didn't even exist as a country so how have got a claim? I've heard people say that it's nearer Argentina than the Uk. Same argument applies to Martinique and France and a host of other countries. What about the right of the islanders to self determination. Argentina should let this Peronist idea go.
Not to mention St. Pierre and Miquelon which is French territory only 20km off the coast of Newfoundland which was British but is now Canadian. The residents have expressed an intent to remain a French territory and that is the end of it.
UK stole the islands in 1833
It's sad to see the conflation of Argentinian servicemen's losses and the sovereignty of the Falklands - deaths in a war manufactured to support a dying dictatorship thus become an obstacle to peace and perhaps even a cause of further conflict. It's insane.
Precisely that, yet leave it to the modern day Argentinians to not blame their own dictators foolishness and supporting them and instead of accepting that they supported the wrong leader and having some accountability, they blame a country defending its own citizens from invasion.
@@aquillandscroll6428 absolutely spot on 👍
Argentine FAL battle rifles were a much sought item after the war. They had never been fired and only dropped once........
Never heard small arms described that way before; 'battle-rifle'...as opposed to a 'kitchen-rifle' or a 'basement-rifle' or a 'peaceful stroll down the high-street rifle'...interesting...
@@drewlawrence696 Look it up. It means a rifle chambered for a fully powered cartridge as opposed to intermediate powered assault weapons. Think M-14 (7.62) as opposed to M-16 (5.56).
@@drewlawrence696 It's a genre of rifles mostly from the late 60's and 70's, that fired high power cartridges. FN FAL's, HK G3's among others
Anything that shoots 7.62 cartridges is a battle rifle. With the evolution of 5.56x45 and 5.45x39 now includes them.
@@drewlawrence696 That's a type of military rifle, differentiated from assault rifle, which has nothing to do with criminal assault.
what a terribly one sided peace of reporting,
Some historical facts not mentioned in this article:
1: The British were the first to discover the FALKLAND ISLANDS.
2: The British were the first to settle in the 1700s. The Spanish also established a settlement shortly after.
3: Vernet sought out British permission before he went to the Falklands from Buenos Aires. But then he raised the Argentine flag.
4. Argentina did not even exist when the Falklands were established.
let me understand if part of my land is inhabited or ignored for some time for some reason, that automatically becomes the property of an intruder, right?
Yes correct
@@umeshshahane What will even amaze you more is that England & Wales have a legal procedure called "Reverse Possession " that enables squatters to establish a legal title to a property or area of land not bring used by the owner !
@@clivedunning4317 whats justification for "Reverse Possession "?
Who does the tattoo guy want to feel inside him🤣 the people of the falklands? They want to be British.
No the islands itself not the people if u have a brain🤔👍
😂😂😂🌻🇧🇧🇬🇧🍻🐙🐬💣😂😂😂😂
He must want to be British lol.
@phil stabler correct
Even his Tshirt displays a British icon. The Triumph Bonneville. Yup, he wants to be a Brit!
If the French hadn't worked actively and surreptitiously with the Argentine airforce to arm the super etondart with Exocet then the number of deaths would have been much lower.
This threat raised the stakes and influenced all UK decision making re belgrano etc.
if the Chileans had not offered logistical help to British, the Argentines would have won the war
@@andersbrixserup7718 LOL
Why didn't Chile want to help a neighbour?
Two words that go together well, France and perfidious.
Absolutely correct ,they are a bloody disgrace 😡
Ready when you are Argentina.
Wait isnt this what Russia is doing in Crimea and Donbas occupying those lands same as Britain is occupying Argentinas Malvinas this goes to show there no bad and good guys in this movie we call life lol,...,
@@matiasd.c9949
Well.
Umm.
No. Not even close. But thanks for trying.
@@livewyr7227 ...Sooner or later Britain will be kick out of Malvinas same way they were from north america by USA why because there is a God :)
Well said!
@@matiasd.c9949 , the Argentines don't belong in the South Atlantic, Argentine's are of Spanish and Italian descent!. The land that is now known as Argentina is stolen land; go figure!!....
They thought they were a match for the likes of the SAS , Royal Marines and Paras . They thought wrong 😂😂
The Argentines have never lived on the Falkland Islands and the flag has never flown there.
Image result for When has Argentina EVER occupied the Falkland islands?
The Falkland Islands have never had any native inhabitants and no indigenous people have ever been displaced, instead the Islands were entirely unoccupied until 1765, when they were first claimed by the British who established a garrison at Port Egmont.
I like how you're trying to teach history to others and conveniently ignore that the French settled there and inhabited the islands before the British.
It was the French in 1764, the British in 1765, and the Spanish in 1766 (replacing the French by a common agreement).
So no, it was not 'entirely unoccupied until 1765' and it was not 'first claimed' by the British. This is a lie. But whatever fits your narrative I guess?
@@MrRikouz so you stipulate that it has never been Argentinian?
A series of previously uninhabited islands outside the international maritime border of a state which didn't exist prior to the British claim over the islands.
Now inhabited, also inhabited for the very first time ever, by English speaking citizens of another sovereign state. Inhabited primarily by people who were born on the islands.
Frankly, and I'm all for the Monroe Doctrine, but this British settlement predates the US republic...so Argentina can go suck an egg
@@MrRikouz French in 1764, British 1765, Spanish in 1766, but not Argentine.
Well it could be argued they "occupied" the Falklands for the time between the invasion and when the taskforce arrived haha?
@@Themanyfacesofego Argentina ruled the islands between 1820 and 1833, when UK stole them
Ain't getting them, get over it.
Considering the Argentinians attacked a NATO nation they were very lucky just fight the British.
NATO would have never helped the UK in this situation, Argentina's fascist dictatorship was supported the USA themselves, and was needed to stave off communist influences in South America. And to make matters worse the Argentinian dictatorship fell due to the defeat in the Falklands. Honestly i don't know what Thatcher had to do to apologise for the mess she caused.
@@arx3516 Someone doesn't know article 5...
A quick Google search answers that: "Article 5 in The North Atlantic Treaty only counts if the attack occurs on a member's territory which is above the Tropic of Cancer, meaning that the Argentine invasion of the Falklands Islands was not eligible to trigger Article 5."
@@f3s3n ok my bad.
@@arx3516
Mrs Thatcher was rightfully unrepentant about Britain taking back the Falklands. If you don't understand that basic point, then I don't know what you think qualifies you to comment on this subject..........?
Argentina commenced hostilities in 1982, then got beaten when they had the upper hand.
Poorly led then and will still be poorly led now if they tried it again,
England might be small, however their quality of troops outclasses Argentinian troops by a huge margin.
Don’t forget the UK got help from everyone….US, France, Chile, Brazil, etc etc
@@peterp7541 yes we did, however the quality of troops were and still are superior.
UK started when stole the islands in 1833. Factos
Next story for France24, why New Caledonia should be part of Australia.
Well, given that France left it to Australia to defend it against the Japanese, fair enough.
I don't recall France stealing New Caledonia from Australia. Do you?
Anders
Britain didn't steal the Falklands from Argentina. The British were there before Argentina was even a country, and kept a plaque claiming it.
Argentina is full of people who are not indigenous to South America.
@@andersbrixserup7718 Your a Bell End
@@lyndoncmp5751 Actually, no. Argentina gained independence from Spain in 1816 whereas the British claim to the Falklands stems from 1840 when it became a Crown colony.
A lot more Argentinians would have died if they didn't surrender so quickly
France 24 news producing a story on the Argentinians feelings of a lost war & white flag…………….no one has more experience in that field than the French !
The claim they had a settlement is false. They did have a small number of soldiers who decided to kill the officer in charge. The latter managed to contact a British navy vessel that went to his rescue. The Argentine soldiers were withdrawn from the island which were left uninhabited. The RN decided it would be a good port to have in the South Atlantic as it gave them access to the Antarctic. Eventually some ex-servicemen started to settle on the island and Port Stanley was expanded from a RN supply depot to a populated settlement.
This why we Brits must must stay strong and keep are armed forces at the best level we can , they will try again one day and we have to be ready , also the islanders themselves have a powerful defence force of local reserves the Argentines will get much more then last time .
The powerful reserve is just 40 islanders. But we have hundreds of troops and many modern systems such as typhoons and Sky Sabre that are capable force multipliers. With the current forces positioned on the Island, even the somewhat proficient Argentine Military of the 80s would find it hard. The current Argentine Military in comparison is like trying to verse a 3rd rate power.
@@aquillandscroll6428 yes I know but thanks for saying it anyway , I just meant that Evan the islanders where standing up for themselves these days
@@richardsalisbury496 Yes. Though its not to underestimate the 40 reserves since they know the landscape well. There was a recent Forces tv video on them that shows their knowledge of the islands is good for the stationed troops that rotate out. Know your environment and victory is easier.
13:12 there are a growing number of seals that can be seen on the E Sussex coast of England if you know where to look. They are believed to come from, and return to beaches in the N of France to breed. I'm sure you could come up with many such examples, which are quite irrelevant.
Yes, national boundaries should be settled by migrating sea animals and lets not forget migrating birds as well.
Exactly! They argue as though the seals use passports!
She explains that geographically the islands is part of Patagonia. Because there were a number of British journalists at some time saying that the islands were separated from the continent. The islands are a colony and not a country. They do not even appear in the British map !
@@josearriola7070
My apologies, but, the Falklands are not a colony. They are a self-governing overseas territory of the United Kingdom. Under the United Nations committee on decolonization, every territory submitted to the committee is eligible for eligible for self-determination; hence the Argentine claim that the 2013 vote is irrelevant is entirely false. As it was done under United Nations auspices, it is the final legal word on sovereignty over the Falklands under international law.
So since 2013 the UN committee recognised Malvinas as a British self-governing overseas territory ? So what was supposed to be called BEFORE that? The vote is invalid because what is in dispute is the land not the people. "That is precisely the problem". This Is like if you come home from work and find that ANOTHER family occupied your home. Then the authorities asked the intruders to vote wether they want to own the house or not ! Moreover, you and I know that USA and England decides what the UN should do and say. @@roberteugene7295
Argentine had similar issue with Chile , " the Beagle Conflict " which almost came to war.
The French navigator Louis-Antoine de Bougainville founded the islands' first settlement, on East Falkland, in 1764, and he named the islands the Malovines. Argentina has zero claim to it. British then turned up and French left as it was not worth anything ..
Argentina as a nation wasn't even founded until 1816 - I'd love to see any early maps - if they show the islands as part of their domain before the Europeans had established populations there.
@Bercilak de hautdesert not going to argue as the point id there were no Argentinians around as it didn’t exist. Or Spanish lol. So who ever it was, it wasn’t them.
I don’t understand how they think that because of few people lived there 200 years ago there is some kind of rational argument for today.
Argentina still has a long way to go before it can claim to be part of the civilised world. Paying debts instead of reneging on them would substantially raise their reputation.
funny that, because most people on the South American and European continents feel that the Brits are the ones need to do a moral check. You still keep claiming lands you stole during colonial times. It is disgraceful
O sea que ser parte del mundo civilizado es haber paracticado el colonialismo durante siglos, haber hecho del tráfico de esclavos una industria a su beneficio, aceptar la xenofobia, etc.Rara forma de decidir quien pertenece o no al mundo civilizado.
One of the most telling statements in retrospect about the war was a conscripted soldier from Argentina, Sergio Delgado. Only 19 years old when he was sent to the islands in 1982, he like many other veterans on both sides, suffered from mental illness associated with war. In 2006, as part of an Australian made documentary, he, along with an associate who had been too young to fight, Esteban Hubner, travelled back to the islands and faced the demons of his past, recounting the horrors he endured while posted at Mount Longdon with no shelter, no food and no information on why they were there (he commented on how uncomfortably cold it was). It was during this visit, he paid a visit to the Argentine Military cemetery in Darwin, to pay tribute to a fallen comrade of his, Kintana. Even if you don't speak Spanish, you can hear (if you watch the documentary) his voice understandably choke with emotion.
But I digress, his statement says a lot about how he feels about politics and especially war (translated into English):
"I'm completely against all wars, they bring nothing but hatred and misery between people and only benefit the leaders,"
His visit to the islands was never about the politics, it was purely about finding his own peace. Happily, that he did
I will always respect a argentine who doesn’t care about the (british) islands
@FuriousFire898 well, his visit to the islands in 2006 was never about who owns it, it was finding his own peace. Soldiers on both sides suffered from combat trauma, in his case it stemmed from his own Commanders ordering artillery to be aimed at their own positions in a desperate attempt to keep the British troops at bay on Mount Longdon (in fact he was injured by a shell blast), and going back to his old position, visiting the Argentine cemetery at Darwin, enabled him to feel a sense of release.
@@SiVlog1989 amen.
This belongs to Britain 🇬🇧 even with self determination it will stay British, Argentina have no rights to it sadly Politicians will do anything to survive. 😢
British scum
Well the reality of this is Falkland islands were British before there was a Argentina,and Spain was still the power in south America, so how does Argentina rationalize the ownership of the Falkland islands?
Don’t call her Thatcher, it’s Mrs Thatcher to you!!
Its Thatcher the Butcher…..
Thatcher the milk snatcher, at least we can laugh that she never even knew she was prime minister for the last 20 years 😂😂😂😂😂
EVIL MRS THATCHER!!GRRRRRRRR
Greatest British leader since Churchill. Three consecutive general election victories. That's democracy.
Look who lead the various parties now. 😂 Mind you, Foot and Kinnock were useless back then.
@@lyndoncmp5751 She ran the country to the ground, pity the miners couldn’t have won against that tyrant Thatcher. Oh how people conveniently dismiss her dining with the dictator Pinochet of Chile,he had murder squads kill anyone who spoke out against him. Maybe she-man Thatcher was getting some tips……..
pro argentina program what else should you expect from the french
you do know that most latin americans, most europeans and the UN actually favour the Argentine side, right? It seems, it isn't just the French
Boobooo the pinglish cry the World knows who Malvinas belongs to
@@hudson7354 The Falklands belong to the British.
@@andersbrixserup7718 Doesn't matter. The Argentinians don't have the strength or the legitimacy to claim the Falklands.
@@hudson7354 The only people crying here are the Argie fascists.
Their in a better hand with the British.
I remember France supplying the Exocet missiles that destroyed British ships to Argentina.
Just like the UK is providing weapons to Saudi to bomb Yemen
They had more success using fighter/bombers but nothing like what they needed to win,the Exocet was nasty but not so great a weapon as was at the time made out not always exploding but the remaining fuel could and did destroy a ship due to fire.
They seem to have forgotten the coup in 1976. "The Argentine Armed Forces seized political power during the March 1976 coup against the presidency of neutralist (non-Communist or non-Democratic) Isabel Perón, the successor and widow of former President Juan Perón, that a time of growing economic and political instability. Congress and democracy were suspended, political parties were banned, civil rights were limited, and free market and deregulation policies were introduced. The President of Argentina and his ministers were appointed from military personnel while Perónists and leftists were persecuted. The junta launched the Dirty War, a campaign of state terrorism against opponents involving torture, extrajudicial murder and systematic forced disappearances, with most victims being civilians. Public opposition due to civil rights abuses and inability to solve the worsening economic crisis in Argentina caused the junta to invade the Falkland Islands in April 1982. After starting and then losing the Falklands War against the United Kingdom in June, the junta began to collapse and finally relinquished power in 1983 with the election of President Raúl Alfonsín.
I’m afraid Argentina needs to give up on this one. Find another national rallying point.
Wait isnt this what Russia is doing in Crimea and Donbas occupying those lands same as Britain is occupying Argentinas Malvinas this goes to show there are no bad and good guys in this movie we call life lol
@@matiasd.c9949 Nope. Falklands was UK territory before Argentia even existed
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 ..Nope the illegal land grabbers eventually will be kick out of Argentinian territory same way USA kick them back to their fogy island that 4th of July :)
@@matiasd.c9949 Illegal land grabbers being kicked out? I think you're getting confused with Russia's _disastrous_ invasion of Ukraine.
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 ..Dont worry sooner or later Argentina will have their 4th of July too :)
it was Queen Elizabeth's Army not Margaret Thatcher's
No. Real reader is Margaret Thatcher.
@@user-pt7lz9bn1d So why is it the "Royal" Navy and the "Royal" Air Force? 🤨
@@user-pt7lz9bn1d ask people in the British armed forces who there commander in chief is? I guarantee it will not be the prime minister.
No it was the British Citizens Army funded by the Civilian Taxes. Not the Queens or Thatchers' but Maggie did the right thing
This French program is decidedly pro-Argentinian. The time dedicated to the Argentinian perspective was greater than that accorded to the U.K. & Falklander perspective.
Who sold the Argentines their Exocets during the conflict????
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Argentina already struggles to run what territory it has. There’s no basis for their claim.
Newsweek's "The Empire Strikes Back" front cover with HMS Hermes en route south, will always be the meme in my memory of this.
Why not The Sun's "Gotcha" while you're at it haha
They were looking for trouble: They came to the right place.
One sided report. islands belong to the people who lived there
Very biased - about 75% is given to Argentinian views and 25% to Falklanders views
Argentina needs to get their country together first before anything else. They need to develop their economy. They don't have any much less the funds to maintain other territorial concerns.
You bet they do still run deep. I can imagine the French reaction if Brazil invaded French Guyana.
Sending untrained conscripts to go and fight a war is unconscionable.
Especially when they're going up against some of the best professional soldiers in the world
. The British has a supply chain several thousand miles long, they were outnumbered in the air and on the ground and still they won. It was a great victory. And not only were the Falkland Islanders freed from Argentine rule, but the outcome that people seem to ignore, was the fact that the Junta that had murdered thousands of its own people in a dirty war, was over thrown and all its members sent to prison. So Britain in a sense liberated Argentina
The diplomatic solution is that the Falklands are British. It’s pointless to think that there will be a diplomatic solution because the outcome will be the same. If you want them, come and take them. The outcome will be the same as in 1982 - except with more Argentinian casualties because British military technology has advanced and Argentinian technology hasn’t.
I wonder if the Argentines tell the kids about the people thrown drugged into the South Atlantic some women who had given birth a few hours earlier among them or is that conveniently forgot about, we did them a big favour.
My dad his brother and best friend fought in the Falklands, My uncle's ship the coventry was hit and sunk by an Argentine bomb, luckily he survived but it was just the thought of what could have happened to him.
The right to self-determination needs to rule here.
so the original inhabitants of 1832 that were forced out now finally get the say they deserve?
@@andersbrixserup7718 I don't think they will walking around to ask. It was nearly 200 years ago.
@@andersbrixserup7718 forced out after the inhabitants of 1735 were driven out
@@andersbrixserup7718 Vernet’s colonists were encouraged to stay. Vernet had sought and was given British permission to settle. Only the United provinces illegal garrison were required to leave. They’d only been there for three months before they’d mutinied, murdered their commander Mestivier, raped his wife and ran amok among Vernet’s colonists. Ruda presented a false narrative to the United Nations in 1965.
But please answer me this. If the Argentinian claim is so water tight then why don’t they go to The Hague?
It does.
Clauswitz: a war is politics in another form. Politically this issue is completely resolved...
In Argentina not seeing the political reality of the situation is not productive.
Given the logic trail people in Argentina follow, then all of Argentina in fact today belongs to Spanish crown. And in that same vein we can conclude that Algeria is part still part of metropolitan France. Politics have happened, and holding onto idealistic romantic notions is folly.
A very bias report - not surprising really as France were supplying Exocet missiles to Argentina in 1982. I wonder how the French would feel if the BBC ran a similarly bias article about Reunion, Martinique or French Guiana?
Argentina did not even exist as a country before the British settled in the Falklands, even the pategoinians speak Welsh so if you look at that maybe we should claim pategonia as well.
It's getting boring now. Why don't you question why your junta disappeared thirty thousand of your own people. Well done on winning the cup though. Best team won it. Your fans were brilliant
And Cuba has always been American. Its only 90 miles from Florida unlike the Falkland which is over 500 miles away from Argentina.
Fun fact: The name "Islas Malvinas" is a Spanish corruption of "Îles Malouines" - the name given to the islands by French explorer Louis-Antoine de Bougainville in 1764.
Argentina is such a beautiful country, and terrific people too. Its pointless argument with the UK over a land, whose inhabitants are British which lies around 400km away is so unfortunate and really quite facist. It is not part of Argentina anymore than Ontario is part of NY State or Michigan. and US (though its next door to it) . Incidentally Northern France is around 40km from UK at its closest point but the British gave up thinking it should be there’s around 1500. Hopefully Argentina will one day get there too.
Exactly on point.
You've got to love that the guy getting the Malvinas tattoo has a Triumph Bonneville shirt on. Clearly he likes Britsh bikes then.
France, Germany, Spanish, Portuguese, Italy and others have current colonies, but when a country exiles its own troops now that’s shocking and a disgrace to Argentinian parliament let alone send in untrained troops to fight. Don’t forget that the Falklands is 300 miles away over sea to Argentina. But let’s get the facts right, a French navigator founded the islands, it was uninhibited, British settled in the west Falklands a year later 1765 but the Spanish kicked them out 1770 so it’s much more complicated. Argentina were not the first settlers, perhaps the French or the Spanish have more of an argument.
The French inhabited the Falklands first when they formed Port Saint Louis in 1764. Malvinas is the Spanish translation of Malouines, which refers to the French city of Saint Malo. That's how the French called the islands when they settled there.
Also, distinguish the Spanish from the Argentinians makes no sense here. It's like saying that the British have a better claim over Tasmania than Australians because it was not the Australian authorities that discovered it. Argentina is to considered as the successor of Spain here, as Australia or NZ are for Britain.
@@MrRikouz The name Falklands pre-exist the name Isles Malouine by many decades and dates from the year 1690 when John Strong became the first person recorded to land on the territory and claim it for the crown. Previous sightings by Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and even English mariners, are unclear. As for proximity, please tell us all about the st Pierre and Miquelon islands. Before Rocca’s genocidal conquest of the desert and the annexation of Patagonia claimed by Chile, the Falklands were much further away to the United provinces than they are to modern Argentina.
But the one thing is for certain. They’re neither British to give away or Argentinian to take. They belong to the kelpers who in the most part, have been in their homeland generations longer than the average Argentinian families have been in Argentina. They have the moral title to their homeland and if you wish to know why they are happy being a self governing overseas territory of the U.K. then look no further than Argentinian ultra nationalism for your reason.
Argentina would be better off sticking to football.
But, But, But Messi scored an illegal goal ... while Argentine players from the bench crossed the touchline.
I spent this entire war on Green Ramp, 82nd ABN DIV. wondering how the war was going.....
..Imagine accusing Russia of invaders while occupying Argentina lol,
Interesting, were you dropping on London or Buenas Aries? ;)
@@corsai7506 I don't think the US would have let Britain lose, too invested to fail, and despite its separate agreements with S. America. My Brigade just returned from Alaska, so we were Arctic certified. Pretty sure Reagan and Thatcher had the hots for each other.
@@matiasd.c9949 everyone involved in Argentina is a colonial invader.
@@davidjones6389 Thanks very informative.
I am Canadian & all I can say is: The British got Royal Marines, The SAS, Gurka Soldiers !!
Bottom line is the Argentines will NEVER get through them so drop your claim & worry about bettering your MAINLAND !!
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So should Argentina go back to native Americans?
And Britain to the Celtic Britons? You do know that Anglo-Saxons came from mainland Europe to colonize Britain, right?
So a military government sent soldiers to take a democratic community and tell them their language, their traditions, their wishes and their lives were inconsequential. The Argentines were brave against unarmed men, women and kids. But when another army showed up they bottled every battle and surrendered or ran. As a parting gift, they left massive unmarked minefields so that for years the local population could step out one day and lose their legs. They left people with anger issues from the impotent rage of dealing with hard men with guns who knew the Falklanders could not shoot back. All of this for a failing dictatorship that used the invasion as a distraction from the economic crisis and free fall their economy was in. Over 600 Argentine military personnel died for as a distraction for domestic politics. Now they are taught that the "Malvinas" are theirs. But they still don't have the balls to take them back like the British did.
No one cares about the mindless Sun derp you fell for you mass produced failure.
Good points. The Argentinians were even killing their own people with hundreds disappearing under the dictatorship. Yet the Falklanders were supposed to accept becoming part of such a country!!
Thankfully the British won the war, and as a result of the British Victory Argentina's dictatorship fell. So in a sense we liberated Argentina too, yet they don't show us any gratitude!
I wish someone would send another Thatcher to deal with Britain as it is today. We could reclaim the islands, now, we can't even reclaim our borders. Shocking...
I don't know who you are, but we're fine mate.
@@timmo491 Mate, we're really not. The nations on the edge of financial meltdown, strikes all over, no border control and, despite Brexit, out laws are controlled by European courts. In 79, we needed something, and, ok, she was more than a little extreme, but she was the woman for the moment.
We need another person Thatcher or Churchill, or whatever enough to drag us back up again. I'm sure you can at least agree there isn't anyone who really stands out right now.
SHE RAPED BRITIAN ONCE AND LEFT A LEGACY OF THATCHER CLONES GRRRRRRRR!!
@@danielmoran9902 I agree.
The Conservatives and Labour are equally bad. I disagreed with Conservative policies in the 80's, (such as privatization) but there was NO WAY Maggie would have tolerated the migration scandal in the Channel.
The Conservatives used to get some things Right and some wrong...now they get EVERYTHING wrong.
Daniel
Have you seen the amount of Christmas presents people just bought? Have you seen the amount of people in pubs, restaurants and takeaways?
We're doing just fine.
The Falklands NEVER had an Argentinian flag fly over it prior to the Invasion. The British were given it by Spain and Argentina didnt even exist at that time in 1853 !
They say it is theirs due to a line drawn on a map when the Portugal empire collapsed that made it say it was theirs even tho not XD
Very well done France 24.
The Argentinian effort to discredit the Falklander referendum shows a contempt for the United Nations Charter that memorializes the right of self-determination of peoples of the World.
Our waters our fish that don’t work around the uk as the french fish in it
Argentinia sent conscripts with no training to take an island. What went wrong should have gone wrong. Slap those generals for me please
It is not the malvinas, courtesy of the Falklands Islanders and 2&3Para
England also occupies 3 English channel islands which they won through 100 year war. England has not given up on those islands why would they give un on these?
The only reason the channel islands are part of the UK is because of the Normans invading England. If the Normans hadn't invaded England then the islands would be french. Why would the channel islands be given up? The people there speak English, are British, and want to be British. They are happy to be British. Just the same as the Falklands the people are British. There was a British settlement in the Falklands since before Argentina was a country. There's no need valid claim from Argentina
Thr EMPIRE OF PIRATES!
@@abdillahijalalkhan2128 🤡 the channel islands are part of the UK because the french invaded England ....
Exactly! The channel islands are closer to France than Britain. The people of the channel islands chose to be British. The French understand democracy and do not claim the islands.
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French propaganda at its best.
Suggest they forget it or bring it on....
Its also never been owned by Argentina at any point in the past 0:55
The Argentine people had to live under a cruel and callous military junta that foolishly provoked a strong opponent, lost the war, and then fell out of power.
I'm sorry to the families who lost loved ones in the conflict, but it seems that Argentina's defeat was ultimately in the favor of the people in the end.
We don't care the feelings of a pirate
@@SM-zm5xt Your country was founded by Spanish pirates
La. Ciudadanía. Argento. Apoyo. A. Gobierno. Militar. En. La. Plaza. De. Mayo. Cánticos. Primero. Las. Malvinas. Y. Después. CHile. !!!!!!!! HP No. Se. Olviden
Only care about a flag flying over a piece of land for nationalism? Think of the human element.....
..Imagine accusing Russia of invaders while occupying Argentina lol,.
@@matiasd.c9949 They held a referendum and the people decided to stay with Britain. If Argentina was run properly and worth joining then the people of the Flklands would have joined Argentina.
Flags represent different political systems. The Argentines in 1982 had a government that tortured and killed their political opponents. I don't recall Michael Foot being tortured and killed by the Thatcher government.
And the Argies will still never get them.
"Islas Malvinas" seems more like a religion or an ideology than anything else...
Argentina very deluded
Not a single person of Argentine nationality, has ever been born on those Islands.
This video report is utter nonsense, just shows off Argentinian hypocricy.
If they would be as passionate about building up their own country, and ensuring decent gouvernement, as they are about Islands where they have never even been.. maybe their country wouldn't be such an economic mess.
Congratulations to the West Falklands on Winning the World Cup
Oh dear.
Hahaha made me laugh.
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Bahahaha
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The Argie tears taste so sweet
The Spanish and French have more claim to the Falklands than Argentina ever had as they at least established small colonies at one point before abandoning them. The only Argentinian people to ever live on the islands were there as tenants which the permission of the British government who were evicted when they got greedy and decided to raise an Argentine flag over their settlement. Honestly if they hadn't tried to steal the land and simply worked it for a few generations until the end of the colonial era they could have joined Argentina or become an independent Nation with a simple referendum. But no the Argentinians have tried to steal land that didn't belong to them twice when they thought the owners weren't paying attention. And the sheer hypocrisy of the Argentinians to have treated their soldiers who returned from this stupid pointless war so shamefully and then try to claim some moral right to the land they tried to steal sickens me. We in Britain feel nothing but pity for the brave men who fought and died without proper training in a stupid attempt to prop up a failing corrupt government.
Very biast to Argentina, typical French, how many far flung territories does France have ? who do the Argentinians think they are ? founded as a Spanish colony, that was not their Land originally either !
I served on HMs/m Conqueror, we sank the Belgrano. I was 20 at the time I am now 61, it lives with me . That was our hand of god ! Don't even think of trying again we will come for your country next time .
Your country is literally being invaded by Muslim inmigrants and you are doing nothing. You don't have balls anymore
Argentina's Vietnam.
Vietnam .... be careful .... don't remind the French of their French Indochina catastrophe.
My uncle was shot and wounded there , he was in the Reme , my dads pal was in the scots guards , he was demented , the argentines were boys and ill trained , but they went for it. The breif stories ive heard are sick.
Amusing, Frace 24 doing a wee bit of stirring here by the looks of it. I did find it amusing when the Argentinian was giving almost a 'Trumpian' view of the history of the Falklands without a challenging comment when she spoke about the deportation of the inhabitants by the British since must have known from researching for this, that the islands were unoccupied when they were discovered (while Argentina was still part of Spain,) and then abandoned by the French as worthless! Hardly unbiased reporting and a joke of a news article because this piece was a piece of unashamed propaganda that Goebbels would have been proud of...
Happened a long time ago these people need to get over it
Yes - Argentinian needs to shut up.
Keep talking, you pirate
Its sad situation between two great countries. The people wish to be British and if anyone steps unlawful steps on this British Island we will travel again to protect our people. I understand the ownership argument. I really hope we can find a compromise here, even if Maradona did score with his hand. Lets keep trying and remain fiends. Mothers losing sons cannot be right.
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I know some servicemen and although they do not go into detail say there are weapons down there that would mean trying to take the Islands would be very costly, i do agree that it is a sad thing that we are not friends but no one likes a bully and Argentina does have a reputation for this in other South American countries.
Having served there many years ago, I know for a fact that no Argentinian ship or aircraft would get anywhere close to the Falklands - and that’s with 1990s technology. Our technology has since advanced whereas Argentinian technology hasn’t.
I spent several weeks over there a year ago. The Islands are self-governing, and the U.K bankrolls their defense. It works for both of them. The U.K. can fly sorties in inclement weather with few people to disturb, and Falkland Islanders have the U.K. defend them without cost. Fishery fees make the islands self supporting. Oil has been discovered off the waters of the Falkland Islands.
Local people will tell you they are Falkland Islanders. They value their connection with the U.K., but they told me they do not see themselves as an extension of the U.K. They have nothing in common with anything Argentinian, and many have not forgiven Argentina for invading their islands. If you go there, it will be obvious to you that the Falklands never have been or never will be part of Argentina. Many Chileans work there and feel the same way.
I am a Spanish speaker and have visited Argentina four times. I make a point of avoiding las Malvinas as a topic of conversation.