Hurrem never won this game. She accused Mustafa that he made alliance with tahmasp. In the end it was her own son who did it. Beyazid betrayed Suleiman. (Suleiman deserves it ) She always thought if Mustafa dies she and her family will finally be happy. But. Cihangir died of depression because of mustafa's death. She also kept saying all the time that Mustafa will kill his brothers. I don't think Mustafa would've ever killed Cihangir and Beyazid. Because both of them would've stayed loyal to Mustafa. Only Selim would've been the problem. In the end It was Hurrem's son who committed fratricide. . Selim killed Beyazid and his innocent little sons. Also Selim died in bathroom while chasing a concubine, he slipped and fell . Because he was drunk at that moment. Then died . I mean it couldn't be more humiliating than this , in my opinion. And even now after all this year's still people blame Hurrem for ottoman empire's downfall. Even though ottoman empire lasted about 300 years after this. Many incidents happened that was directly responsible for the empire's downfall. And no one surely knows that it would've been really great if Mustafa actually succeeded to the throne. But still people believe it would've been. Just bcz she gave birth to 4 princes and could marry sultan and sometimes even advised suleiman in politics still it doesn't mean she won. Everyone will agree in history and in series too after Ibrahims death the empire weakened, Hurrem sultan removed many pashas , beys who didn't support her and her sons. It's historically proven , also after Suleiman bcz it wasn't Beyazid or Mustafa the empire faced many great loses. Ottomans lost many conquered lands , lost navy fleet. Janissaries became jobless, loyal pashas or beys were rare as most of them were greedy for power and also there wasn't any sultan worth serving with utmost loyalty and dignity. Just bcz the empire lasted and was better than many other empires doesn't mean it's good. Everyone agreed it could've been better. When you could have the diamond and got gold , although gold is precious than other materials. And if you keep saying it again and again will it change the fact that you could have something better than it but didn't get ? No. Even if Hurrem had a small role in the empire's downfall People will still blame her. And people will keep saying that if Pargali Ibrahim lived longer , if Mustafa or Beyazid acceded to the throne it the empire would've still been stronger. The fact that Suleiman was called magnificent. Then his son Selim ll was called drunkard, Selim's son Murad was a womaniser and greedy sultan, I once read he had more than 200 children, then Murad's son was a cruel man who killed 19 of his brothers and one of his own son. Then came Ahmed who was weak (still better than others comparatively ,but sadly died too early) ,then came Mustafa who was mentally unstable, then came Osman , he was such a big disappointment that his own civilians killed him. Then came Murad lV , the short tempered one and then the worst one . Ibrahim the mad. Who raped women and killed many people for no reason. It doesn't seem serious to us now after centuries but people in that era they suffered much and they blamed Hurrem for it. No one knows if Mustafa became sultan his son and the next generation wouldn't been a disappointment or even worse. But still it will be written in the history that Hurrem had a role in empires downfall. No empire collapses overnight. Many incidents, small decisions are responsible generally. Do you really think only Mustafas death was the only thing Hurrem did? Was it this easy ? How many people she had to kill in order to kill Mustafa. It's not a cup of tea that you'd just go and kill a Prince. Hurrem had to remove each and every allies of Mustafa in the empire. That includes grand vizier , many pashas , those who worked under those pashas and all. Slowly empire's structure started to change completely. And take a look which people actually supported Mustafa. Ibrahim, Matrakchi , Bali bey , Most janissary commanders , Most scholars, most normal people , Kapudan pasha. Okay i get it for the sake of the series m Ibrahim supported him kinda for his own interests . But in reality that wasn't true. Ibrahim irl didn't even have any interaction with mahidevran and Hurrem that much. He supported Mustafa irl because he trained him for couple of years and Mustafa himself was capable in every field. This wasn't something like Hurrem vs mahidevran thing. They made it for drama purposes. For the views. Also what about the other people i said. Most of Mustafa's allies were loyal to Suleiman m were talented, strong and best in their own fields. And were like loyal to the empire. And in this case what could Hurrem do to reduce Mustafa's allies ? She had to replace them by people who were loyal to her and not Mustafa. And wht would someone who is loyal to the empire would not be loyal to Mustafa m only in one case. If they are greedy and powed hungry. If they are assured that they'll get high positions in court , they'll get money. Then they'll work for Hurrem. So she had to remove most loyal and honest people from the empire and replace it with power hungry people. Then they removed people who were in lower rant to them . It started a cycle. And nepotism started occurring in every field. In the beginning most members in court were solely loyal to the empire and the sultan. And then the new members of the courts, their loyalty moved towards something else except the empire and the sultan. That was Hurrem m yes Hurrem sultan is the one they were loyal to. Then things started collapsing. People need to understand that if they say ohhh come on, after Mustafa's death ottomans lasted for 300 yrs. Yes they did . But as it was a great islamic Khaliphate in the beginning, then it became something else. In order to kill one man (Mustafa) Hurrem kinda had to change the whole structure of the empire that Suleiman and Ibrahim made after years of Hardwork. Yes so it makes sense that Mustafa's death played a huge role in empire's downfall. Bcz it wasn't only Mustafa's death. till suleiman ottomans were only growing and developing in every field. They became the most powerful empire in the world at that time. Like America is the strongest country and almost controls everything in the world today. Ottomans could easily conquer Rome if Mustafa or Ibrahim lived. Everyone thought the campaign of rome would be a great success before Ibrahim was dead. Then they hoped maybe Mustafa can do it. Because historians say that Mustafa already had dreamt of discovering a new world. Beyond the Atlantic ocean. So imagine if during his reign they discovered American continent and conquered Rome. Just imagine. Rome for Christians was like Mecca for us Muslims now. It was their apple of eye. And after Suleiman's early campaigns Christians and Jews were in their weak times . It was easy to conquer them completely. And thus they could rule the whole world. But Mustafa's death became an opportunity for the westerns and they started gathering their power and did a comeback. When you think this way Hurrem's stiry won't seem that much important. Ofc invidually she isn't wrong. But for the great causes you can't simply think of an invaluable person's pov. Ofc the empire is the most important thing. Her involvement in Mustafa's death worked like a butterfly effect and later that one incident harmed the empire greatly. NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT. Karma played back VERY WELL l. I wish Hurrem lived a bit longer to witness what happened next to Beyazid And then died.
yes, really Hurrem did a lot of bad things, she was only selfish and eager for power, and her love for Suleyman is questionable... but she wouldn't have done and developed in this way, if Suleyman wasn't addicted of her...in fact, his weakness for her led slowly to disaster...
Still hurrem have two more son but she is in pain,so think about how mahidevra sultana condition when she lost her only son Mustafa and only grandson 😢
Then she shouldn't have killed Mehmet, bcz she only had one son. Nor ever she felt apologized. The burden came down on poor Mustafa. She was also warned by a lady. But she got greedy for power and turned evil. And she was in pain bcz it was her karma. Like hurem faced karma, she also did. And no, the pain is same even if u have more children or one. And before hurem, mahedeviran did same to other girls and took the place. Everyone has their own life. Misery comes when u start comparing ur life with others. And try to have things in jealousy. Nor it was like she was mad in love for suleiman. So i dont really get when people do sympathy even for people who did evil things. Everyone in the palace, was not innocent and had karma in their own ways except Mehmet, Mustafa, Jahangir and Beyazit.
@@sasmitanayak6324 I am not talking about Prince. Ofcourse All had the greed of throne except Jahangir. But they did not become evil enough to kill each other except Selim. Here I am talking about the greed of Mahedeviran for power which made her to murder. Same for Hurem. And if that became common, then what's the sympathy for? Everyone did things on the expense of selling their souls. In the end, why become Victim?? Mahedeverian called herself victim as if she was only pure and made Hurem the only evil one in her mind. But the thing I like about Hurem is she accepted what she did wrong to others and not thought she was the only victim in this war.
Mahidevran lived to old age of 81. She saw the deaths of hurrem, Suleyman and all their children in her lifetime. Mustafa was murdered by his own father, and Hurrem was strongly believed to be involved. A month later Cihangir the youngest child of Hurrem died of illnesses. Years later Hurrem's child Beyazid was killed by his father ( and Selim his brother) too. Karma.
She was given a mirror and told that if the owner of the mirror committed A great sin the mirror would break and great evil would be unleashed, when she sent an assassin to mehmed the mirror broke, she cursed herself.
Hurrem was the problem from the beginning. She was like the cancer in the harem. Sultana the mother should have gotten rid of her during one of Suleyman’s absences and just say she got sick. Everything would have been peaceful and Mustapha would have ascended the throne.
I feel so bad for Selim. Hearing from your brother “it would be better if you died” is so painful. I bet if Selim said such words, Mihrimah would go nuts. She didn’t even comfort him. He is literally alone.
That's why I sympathize more with Selim and despite history being unkind to him, he just did what he was destined to do, the best he could. Besides, we really can't say for sure if any of his brothers would've been better rulers, i love to think though that of the four, Mehmet would've been the kindest and the most just simply because Mahidevran was not his mother. Some historians and people nowadays love to blame him for the downfall of the Ottoman when Selim's reign was relatively short (8 years) and the Ottoman empire was only abolished in the 1900s.
@@Joy_1223 you are again twisting history and show. All other Sultans also ruled just few years except of Suleyman who was Sultan for long time. So if Selim was capable he would just continue the Empire or even more in those years....but he loved to chill and relax unlike his father and brother Mustafa. Maybe if his mother really was Mahidevran he would be a great ruler because in real life she was good and dedicated to raise her som well as we saw. As for Mehmed he died very young in age of 21 so we can't know if he would be great or not because he couldn't show himself by that age as governor of Manisa (only few months or at least one year).
@@nawfika I am just saying every victory has price, Hurrem won by killing Mustafa, but karma served itself by taking away what was her most precious thing in the world, which is a greater pain than dying herself, careful what you do...
@@martinaangelevska2807 Now,you tell me how did hurrem grieve for cihangir maybe for a few month or a year ok hurrem had more three children hurrem saw them alive until his death cihangir pain was gassed away,,mustafa did wrong so many time beyazid and cihangir were thinking of giving Thron for him but he was envious of his brotherb even thinking about it he was rude
@@nawfika Mustafa was never envious of them, neither were they envious of him, they all had brotherly love for each other. The real snake was Selim, he was the envious one , knew about Mustafa's death sentence, but did nothing, Bayizd with his sons was killed in front of Selim and he didn't even flinch, all because he was envious and wanted the throne for himself.
As if Hurrem didn't try to poison Mustafa before. And she didn't send gulzar to kill Mustafa too. Mahidevran is only evil because she succeeded killing Mehmed on her first try @@eboniestevenson231
Hurrem destroyed whole peace of palace then it end up otaman empire. Her ambition to throne her son give the path to kill princes even after Suleiman. One can watch kosem sultan to understand what hurrem did and put this seed of killing Father to son brother to other brother for throne, which was ended up by the struggle of Ibrahim and Walida sultan back then. But she brought this sin back to palace again
Hurrem did everything she could to protect her children she even says to gulfem I wanted to see them safe not on the throne and Mustafa death was essential for there survival also mahidevran started hurrem revenge off by poisoning her food and then killing mehmed
Yang paling kesihan Mustafa anak yang baik tapi tidak dikebumikan bersama dengan bapa dan keluarga yang lain .. tidak diberi penghargaan yang seharusnya dan selayaknya .
Thankfully She paid the price She thiught by killing mustafa evreything will be ok but god had other plans for her its all her doings Who needs an enmy while hurrem is his mother😢😅
@Dreamfyre funny how mahidevran fans see her as an angel when she was the one who started the entire conflict. Hurrem vowed to keep Suleiman because Mahidevran never ceased to insult her any chance she gets. She used to being the favorite and all the concubines bow to her. She was just lucky that Valide Sultan and the evil sisters believed in her. In the end, she was the one who suffered more. First she lost her only hope to get back at Hurrem. After Mustafa died, she practically lived in poverty and stepped back in the place ever again
@Dreamfyre funny how you call loosing Mehmet and gihanhir wining 😂🤣🤩🤣 Hurrem paid with mehmet later gihangir Mirimah paid either beyazid and his children Karma always hits
@@Joy_1223 mahi didn't begin anything it was hurrem And nobody said she is a Saint unlike you hurrem fans who saw her as Saint Killing. Babys kids and unborns
@Dreamfyre gurrem dying in pain cancer bones loosing Mehmet Nd gihangir watching her dons war Mahidevran died in peace with her granddaughter and her duaghtet in low surroundings Money is not the most portent thing but peace Mahidevarn died loved by evreyone and hurrem died put in the trash of history being which and ending the empire Mehmet and gihangir died natural cause as gods punishment for hurrem
I feel so bad for Hurrem her children were her world. Lossing Memhet and then Chaniger. Was a nightmare for her. I know she three children left but to loss ur oldest and youngest son that was heart breaking. And then when Suilmens new favorite had a kid that had to kill her more.
@@walkerwinchesterangel89 I don't feel bar for Hurrem, she deserved every pain. You forgot to mention how her son the drunkard selim killed his brother bayezid ànd his innocent sons. Selim took after his mother's heart. Wicked
their tradition to be forgiven for sins and mistakes, to find peace on earth. i think muslim tradition of praying to be close to allah. it's a sacrifice they make like the fasting nowadays.
Well, Mustafa did not die in Hurrem's hands, whereas Mahidevran plotted the murder of pregnant Hurrem and her then unborn son, Mehmet. If that's your idea of karma, then we can say the same for Mahidevran. She was so evil to plan the poisoning of a pregnant woman and the baby in her womb. In the end, she lost her only son and her beloved grandson. Then she lived in poverty and nearly forgotten in history books until Selim, the son of the woman Mahidevran hated, saved her from hunger and desolation. Now tell me, who between Hurrem and Mahidevran was a better mother? Hurrem always admonishes her child when they speak harshly against their elders, but Mahidevran clearly wanted Mustafa to hate Hurrem, and I believed he did too.
@@Joy_1223mahidevran killed mehmet and hurrem? Valide, ibrahim, mustafa and his entire family, and then cigangir...bro what's your talking about..mahidevran wasn't an angel but believe me, hurrem wasn't too..she set fire between her own sons in which selim killed bayezit and i wish hurrem was alive and could see bayezit death as well..she always been afraid of mustafa while mustafa was the one who tried to make everything up between his brothers and stopped them on fighting..Don’t defend hurrem at all..
This is what sadden me. Selim 1 didn't only thought about present but also future. That's why Sultan Suleiman already could make his plan turn onto reality. But unfortunately He didn't follow his path like his father. After him all the other sultans were only tried to hold the existed empire. Their inner conflicts only helped western empires. This fracticide law or other laws only helped western to eliminate strong candidates. Not gonna lie beside Sultans other royal women are also accountable for those situations. But yeah in the end, after peak there's only downfall in history.
Suleiman wasn't with Hurrem in Topkapi but he was also beyond grief. It was extremely difficult for him seeing his youngest son's last few days and moments on earth. He knew Cihangir was inconsolable and blame him for Mustafa's death and that may have triggered the son's fears that he could be next. You saw how Suleiman emotionally suffered seeing his son dying and not having the power to save him. However, as Sultan he can not just abandon his troops and at that point may still be in shock seeing Cihangir not having the will to live anymore. He suffered just as much as Hurrem but his soldiers also needed him.
Смотри Хюрэм.Это все ты.После того как ты подставила Мустафу ,Аллах тебе показал .Ты будешь теперь за свою подлость платитИ будешь умирать мучительной смертью и твой старичок султан.Бедные твои мыновья.Так жаль .Они такие хорошие ребята.И неповезло в одном.Их родила Хюрэм
This people who makes comments they forgot that same mehidevran killed Mehmed first . When Hurrem’s sons were born she was saying that Mustafa is first and he will kill his brothers to seat on the throne. And she was teaching the same to Mustafa all the time. And Mustafa were using his aunts and moms and wife’s support that his big mistake.
Hurrem never won this game. She accused Mustafa that he made alliance with tahmasp. In the end it was her own son who did it. Beyazid betrayed Suleiman. (Suleiman deserves it ) She always thought if Mustafa dies she and her family will finally be happy. But. Cihangir died of depression because of mustafa's death. She also kept saying all the time that Mustafa will kill his brothers. I don't think Mustafa would've ever killed Cihangir and Beyazid. Because both of them would've stayed loyal to Mustafa. Only Selim would've been the problem. In the end It was Hurrem's son who committed fratricide. . Selim killed Beyazid and his innocent little sons. Also Selim died in bathroom while chasing a concubine, he slipped and fell . Because he was drunk at that moment. Then died . I mean it couldn't be more humiliating than this , in my opinion. And even now after all this year's still people blame Hurrem for ottoman empire's downfall. Even though ottoman empire lasted about 300 years after this. Many incidents happened that was directly responsible for the empire's downfall. And no one surely knows that it would've been really great if Mustafa actually succeeded to the throne. But still people believe it would've been. Just bcz she gave birth to 4 princes and could marry sultan and sometimes even advised suleiman in politics still it doesn't mean she won. Everyone will agree in history and in series too after Ibrahims death the empire weakened, Hurrem sultan removed many pashas , beys who didn't support her and her sons. It's historically proven , also after Suleiman bcz it wasn't Beyazid or Mustafa the empire faced many great loses. Ottomans lost many conquered lands , lost navy fleet. Janissaries became jobless, loyal pashas or beys were rare as most of them were greedy for power and also there wasn't any sultan worth serving with utmost loyalty and dignity. Just bcz the empire lasted and was better than many other empires doesn't mean it's good. Everyone agreed it could've been better. When you could have the diamond and got gold , although gold is precious than other materials. And if you keep saying it again and again will it change the fact that you could have something better than it but didn't get ? No. Even if Hurrem had a small role in the empire's downfall People will still blame her. And people will keep saying that if Pargali Ibrahim lived longer , if Mustafa or Beyazid acceded to the throne it the empire would've still been stronger. The fact that Suleiman was called magnificent. Then his son Selim ll was called drunkard, Selim's son Murad was a womaniser and greedy sultan, I once read he had more than 200 children, then Murad's son was a cruel man who killed 19 of his brothers and one of his own son. Then came Ahmed who was weak (still better than others comparatively ,but sadly died too early) ,then came Mustafa who was mentally unstable, then came Osman , he was such a big disappointment that his own civilians killed him. Then came Murad lV , the short tempered one and then the worst one . Ibrahim the mad. Who raped women and killed many people for no reason. It doesn't seem serious to us now after centuries but people in that era they suffered much and they blamed Hurrem for it. No one knows if Mustafa became sultan his son and the next generation wouldn't been a disappointment or even worse. But still it will be written in the history that Hurrem had a role in empires downfall. No empire collapses overnight. Many incidents, small decisions are responsible generally. Do you really think only Mustafas death was the only thing Hurrem did? Was it this easy ? How many people she had to kill in order to kill Mustafa. It's not a cup of tea that you'd just go and kill a Prince. Hurrem had to remove each and every allies of Mustafa in the empire. That includes grand vizier , many pashas , those who worked under those pashas and all. Slowly empire's structure started to change completely. And take a look which people actually supported Mustafa. Ibrahim, Matrakchi , Bali bey , Most janissary commanders , Most scholars, most normal people , Kapudan pasha. Okay i get it for the sake of the series m Ibrahim supported him kinda for his own interests . But in reality that wasn't true. Ibrahim irl didn't even have any interaction with mahidevran and Hurrem that much. He supported Mustafa irl because he trained him for couple of years and Mustafa himself was capable in every field. This wasn't something like Hurrem vs mahidevran thing. They made it for drama purposes. For the views. Also what about the other people i said. Most of Mustafa's allies were loyal to Suleiman m were talented, strong and best in their own fields. And were like loyal to the empire. And in this case what could Hurrem do to reduce Mustafa's allies ? She had to replace them by people who were loyal to her and not Mustafa. And wht would someone who is loyal to the empire would not be loyal to Mustafa m only in one case. If they are greedy and powed hungry. If they are assured that they'll get high positions in court , they'll get money. Then they'll work for Hurrem. So she had to remove most loyal and honest people from the empire and replace it with power hungry people. Then they removed people who were in lower rant to them . It started a cycle. And nepotism started occurring in every field. In the beginning most members in court were solely loyal to the empire and the sultan. And then the new members of the courts, their loyalty moved towards something else except the empire and the sultan. That was Hurrem m yes Hurrem sultan is the one they were loyal to. Then things started collapsing. People need to understand that if they say ohhh come on, after Mustafa's death ottomans lasted for 300 yrs. Yes they did . But as it was a great islamic Khaliphate in the beginning, then it became something else. In order to kill one man (Mustafa) Hurrem kinda had to change the whole structure of the empire that Suleiman and Ibrahim made after years of Hardwork. Yes so it makes sense that Mustafa's death played a huge role in empire's downfall. Bcz it wasn't only Mustafa's death. till suleiman ottomans were only growing and developing in every field. They became the most powerful empire in the world at that time. Like America is the strongest country and almost controls everything in the world today. Ottomans could easily conquer Rome if Mustafa or Ibrahim lived. Everyone thought the campaign of rome would be a great success before Ibrahim was dead. Then they hoped maybe Mustafa can do it. Because historians say that Mustafa already had dreamt of discovering a new world. Beyond the Atlantic ocean. So imagine if during his reign they discovered American continent and conquered Rome. Just imagine. Rome for Christians was like Mecca for us Muslims now. It was their apple of eye. And after Suleiman's early campaigns Christians and Jews were in their weak times . It was easy to conquer them completely. And thus they could rule the whole world. But Mustafa's death became an opportunity for the westerns and they started gathering their power and did a comeback. When you think this way Hurrem's stiry won't seem that much important. Ofc invidually she isn't wrong. But for the great causes you can't simply think of an invaluable person's pov. Ofc the empire is the most important thing. Her involvement in Mustafa's death worked like a butterfly effect and later that one incident harmed the empire greatly. NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT. Karma played back VERY WELL l. I wish Hurrem lived a bit longer to witness what happened next to Beyazid And then died.
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Remember alot of this is dramatized, and doesn't exactly follow history. It's does make for good entertainment. And I love this very much.
Every word is true ❤
All hail Sultan Suleiman Khan, the conquerer
yes, really Hurrem did a lot of bad things, she was only selfish and eager for power, and her love for Suleyman is questionable... but she wouldn't have done and developed in this way, if Suleyman wasn't addicted of her...in fact, his weakness for her led slowly to disaster...
Still hurrem have two more son but she is in pain,so think about how mahidevra sultana condition when she lost her only son Mustafa and only grandson 😢
Then she shouldn't have killed Mehmet, bcz she only had one son.
Nor ever she felt apologized. The burden came down on poor Mustafa.
She was also warned by a lady.
But she got greedy for power and turned evil.
And she was in pain bcz it was her karma.
Like hurem faced karma, she also did.
And no, the pain is same even if u have more children or one.
And before hurem, mahedeviran did same to other girls and took the place.
Everyone has their own life. Misery comes when u start comparing ur life with others. And try to have things in jealousy. Nor it was like she was mad in love for suleiman.
So i dont really get when people do sympathy even for people who did evil things.
Everyone in the palace, was not innocent and had karma in their own ways except Mehmet, Mustafa, Jahangir and Beyazit.
@@whatiseventhepointIn the absence of law of succession,all Princess want to become sultan.
@@sasmitanayak6324 I am not talking about Prince. Ofcourse All had the greed of throne except Jahangir. But they did not become evil enough to kill each other except Selim.
Here I am talking about the greed of Mahedeviran for power which made her to murder. Same for Hurem.
And if that became common, then what's the sympathy for? Everyone did things on the expense of selling their souls. In the end, why become Victim?? Mahedeverian called herself victim as if she was only pure and made Hurem the only evil one in her mind. But the thing I like about Hurem is she accepted what she did wrong to others and not thought she was the only victim in this war.
Mahidevran lived to old age of 81. She saw the deaths of hurrem, Suleyman and all their children in her lifetime. Mustafa was murdered by his own father, and Hurrem was strongly believed to be involved. A month later Cihangir the youngest child of Hurrem died of illnesses. Years later Hurrem's child Beyazid was killed by his father ( and Selim his brother) too.
Karma.
She was given a mirror and told that if the owner of the mirror committed A great sin the mirror would break and great evil would be unleashed, when she sent an assassin to mehmed the mirror broke, she cursed herself.
I was really impressed by both actresses who played Hurrem. Terrific performances from both.
Hurrem was the problem from the beginning. She was like the cancer in the harem. Sultana the mother should have gotten rid of her during one of Suleyman’s absences and just say she got sick. Everything would have been peaceful and Mustapha would have ascended the throne.
I feel so bad for Selim. Hearing from your brother “it would be better if you died” is so painful. I bet if Selim said such words, Mihrimah would go nuts. She didn’t even comfort him. He is literally alone.
That's why I sympathize more with Selim and despite history being unkind to him, he just did what he was destined to do, the best he could. Besides, we really can't say for sure if any of his brothers would've been better rulers, i love to think though that of the four, Mehmet would've been the kindest and the most just simply because Mahidevran was not his mother. Some historians and people nowadays love to blame him for the downfall of the Ottoman when Selim's reign was relatively short (8 years) and the Ottoman empire was only abolished in the 1900s.
@@Joy_1223 you are again twisting history and show.
All other Sultans also ruled just few years except of Suleyman who was Sultan for long time.
So if Selim was capable he would just continue the Empire or even more in those years....but he loved to chill and relax unlike his father and brother Mustafa.
Maybe if his mother really was Mahidevran he would be a great ruler because in real life she was good and dedicated to raise her som well as we saw.
As for Mehmed he died very young in age of 21 so we can't know if he would be great or not because he couldn't show himself by that age as governor of Manisa (only few months or at least one year).
@@teddybear7617 hurrem fans live to twist history
And belive hurrem was a Saint
May be u missed out where he said to Cehangir tht.. u dnt even have the guts to be a prince.. u need to feel bad for real innocent
No mercy for Selim he was cruel and jealous another Cain who will kill his brother Abel
Hurrem actually had another son Abdullah who died aged 3. His birth is not shown.
Whats the cause of death?
Mustafa was innocent too, Hurrem!
So was mehmed mahidevran
Not more than cihangir he is the innocent and innocent Mustafa was rude and he is not innocent like cihangir and mehmet
@@nawfika I am just saying every victory has price, Hurrem won by killing Mustafa, but karma served itself by taking away what was her most precious thing in the world, which is a greater pain than dying herself, careful what you do...
@@martinaangelevska2807 Now,you tell me how did hurrem grieve for cihangir maybe for a few month or a year ok hurrem had more three children hurrem saw them alive until his death cihangir pain was gassed away,,mustafa did wrong so many time beyazid and cihangir were thinking of giving Thron for him but he was envious of his brotherb even thinking about it he was rude
@@nawfika Mustafa was never envious of them, neither were they envious of him, they all had brotherly love for each other. The real snake was Selim, he was the envious one , knew about Mustafa's death sentence, but did nothing, Bayizd with his sons was killed in front of Selim and he didn't even flinch, all because he was envious and wanted the throne for himself.
Now Hurrem knows what Mahidevran went through
Махидевран сама была виновата, за то, что пережила.
It was never mahidevran's fault, but Suleyman's. Then all the pain that hurrem felt was because of herself @@Shohsanam-t1g
Y'all must have forgotten that Mahidevran struck the first blow when she had Mehmet killed, so she got her's back twofold!! 🤷
As if Hurrem didn't try to poison Mustafa before. And she didn't send gulzar to kill Mustafa too. Mahidevran is only evil because she succeeded killing Mehmed on her first try @@eboniestevenson231
Mahidevran killed Mehmet revenge was hurrem's right and duty
Mihrimah looks so gorgeous in black. Her eyes are so blue.
Hurrem destroyed whole peace of palace then it end up otaman empire. Her ambition to throne her son give the path to kill princes even after Suleiman. One can watch kosem sultan to understand what hurrem did and put this seed of killing Father to son brother to other brother for throne, which was ended up by the struggle of Ibrahim and Walida sultan back then. But she brought this sin back to palace again
She is disgusting. Suleyman even more by being her puppet
Hurrem did everything she could to protect her children she even says to gulfem I wanted to see them safe not on the throne and Mustafa death was essential for there survival also mahidevran started hurrem revenge off by poisoning her food and then killing mehmed
Yang paling kesihan Mustafa anak yang baik tapi tidak dikebumikan bersama dengan bapa dan keluarga yang lain .. tidak diberi penghargaan yang seharusnya dan selayaknya .
Thankfully
She paid the price
She thiught by killing mustafa evreything will be ok but god had other plans for her its all her doings
Who needs an enmy while hurrem is his mother😢😅
@Dreamfyre funny how mahidevran fans see her as an angel when she was the one who started the entire conflict. Hurrem vowed to keep Suleiman because Mahidevran never ceased to insult her any chance she gets. She used to being the favorite and all the concubines bow to her. She was just lucky that Valide Sultan and the evil sisters believed in her. In the end, she was the one who suffered more. First she lost her only hope to get back at Hurrem. After Mustafa died, she practically lived in poverty and stepped back in the place ever again
@Dreamfyre funny how you call loosing Mehmet and gihanhir wining 😂🤣🤩🤣
Hurrem paid with mehmet later gihangir
Mirimah paid either beyazid and his children
Karma always hits
@@Joy_1223 mahi didn't begin anything it was hurrem
And nobody said she is a Saint unlike you hurrem fans who saw her as Saint
Killing. Babys kids and unborns
@Dreamfyre gurrem dying in pain cancer bones loosing Mehmet Nd gihangir watching her dons war
Mahidevran died in peace with her granddaughter and her duaghtet in low surroundings
Money is not the most portent thing but peace
Mahidevarn died loved by evreyone and hurrem died put in the trash of history being which and ending the empire
Mehmet and gihangir died natural cause as gods punishment for hurrem
А как Махидевран? С самого начала она же убила Мехмеда. Вот и ответ получила.
اتمنى لو تقوم مريم اوزرلي بتصوير بعض مقاطع الحلقات الاخيرة استثنائيا
Everyone had problems, miseries and hatred. But every one ❤ Cihangir. 😢
He was never a threat to the throne. It would’ve been absurd to even kill him, so of course he could be loved.
Mahidevran was also feel this hurrem deserve it 😢
Mahidevran should have think before killing shehezada Mehmet that she had only one son to lose
I feel so bad for Hurrem her children were her world. Lossing Memhet and then Chaniger. Was a nightmare for her. I know she three children left but to loss ur oldest and youngest son that was heart breaking. And then when Suilmens new favorite had a kid that had to kill her more.
She kiled him by kiling Mustafa!!!
She deserve everypain hurrem is evil that's why she felt pain until she die before Suleyman
@@Radoslaw731who will answer for killing of Mehmet revenge was hurrem's right and duty
@@walkerwinchesterangel89 I don't feel bar for Hurrem, she deserved every pain. You forgot to mention how her son the drunkard selim killed his brother bayezid ànd his innocent sons. Selim took after his mother's heart. Wicked
Can someone explain what suleiman is doing in that place that seems like a dungeon?
their tradition to be forgiven for sins and mistakes, to find peace on earth. i think muslim tradition of praying to be close to allah. it's a sacrifice they make like the fasting nowadays.
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I don’t feel sorry for hurrem what goes round comes around
Ah....Hurrem, what goes around comes around
Well, Mustafa did not die in Hurrem's hands, whereas Mahidevran plotted the murder of pregnant Hurrem and her then unborn son, Mehmet. If that's your idea of karma, then we can say the same for Mahidevran. She was so evil to plan the poisoning of a pregnant woman and the baby in her womb. In the end, she lost her only son and her beloved grandson. Then she lived in poverty and nearly forgotten in history books until Selim, the son of the woman Mahidevran hated, saved her from hunger and desolation. Now tell me, who between Hurrem and Mahidevran was a better mother? Hurrem always admonishes her child when they speak harshly against their elders, but Mahidevran clearly wanted Mustafa to hate Hurrem, and I believed he did too.
She's evil she deserve everypain she got people killed just bcs she doesn't want anyone next to Suleyman she was too jealous for Ibrahim i hate her
@@Joy_1223mahidevran killed mehmet and hurrem? Valide, ibrahim, mustafa and his entire family, and then cigangir...bro what's your talking about..mahidevran wasn't an angel but believe me, hurrem wasn't too..she set fire between her own sons in which selim killed bayezit and i wish hurrem was alive and could see bayezit death as well..she always been afraid of mustafa while mustafa was the one who tried to make everything up between his brothers and stopped them on fighting..Don’t defend hurrem at all..
What about Mehmet he died to
She cilled so many people so this is her punish
This is what sadden me. Selim 1 didn't only thought about present but also future. That's why Sultan Suleiman already could make his plan turn onto reality. But unfortunately He didn't follow his path like his father. After him all the other sultans were only tried to hold the existed empire. Their inner conflicts only helped western empires. This fracticide law or other laws only helped western to eliminate strong candidates. Not gonna lie beside Sultans other royal women are also accountable for those situations. But yeah in the end, after peak there's only downfall in history.
Mustafa was also innocent Hurrem witch
Why sulaiman so selfish ..he dont comfort hurrem at all ...live her alone ..😮
Suleiman wasn't with Hurrem in Topkapi but he was also beyond grief. It was extremely difficult for him seeing his youngest son's last few days and moments on earth. He knew Cihangir was inconsolable and blame him for Mustafa's death and that may have triggered the son's fears that he could be next. You saw how Suleiman emotionally suffered seeing his son dying and not having the power to save him. However, as Sultan he can not just abandon his troops and at that point may still be in shock seeing Cihangir not having the will to live anymore. He suffered just as much as Hurrem but his soldiers also needed him.
It was a punishment by Allah for both suleiman n hurrem for the injustice done to Mustafa n many pashas
Махи сама виновата, приказала убить мехмета. Хюррем ей отомстила.
Selem lost the battle at Leponta which was good for Christian Europe. Bayzid would have won
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Vahide Percin es una diosa 👑grande maestra!!!!
Смотри Хюрэм.Это все ты.После того как ты подставила Мустафу ,Аллах тебе показал .Ты будешь теперь за свою подлость платитИ будешь умирать мучительной смертью и твой старичок султан.Бедные твои мыновья.Так жаль .Они такие хорошие ребята.И неповезло в одном.Их родила Хюрэм
Why is Suleiman isolating?
Koʻrib toʻymayman Mehrimoh Sulton 👍👍👍
Folks keep satimg now she knows how mustifas mother felt. Wasnt Hurrem the first one to loose a Son?
This people who makes comments they forgot that same mehidevran killed Mehmed first . When Hurrem’s sons were born she was saying that Mustafa is first and he will kill his brothers to seat on the throne. And she was teaching the same to Mustafa all the time. And Mustafa were using his aunts and moms and wife’s support that his big mistake.
Such sadness killing people
They all wanted power money
Sad bunch of people
Starckas hurem lidande lidande nek se allah smiluje
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Why sulaiman punish himself ..as.a muslim he can do that ...😮
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I hate Beyazid's arrogance!
Its all because of mahidevran. She ended cihangir
Mustafa's death ended chihangir
@@mariamajumder6619 mahidevran did it
@@ΔημΣΚ chihangir died from the grief of mustafa's death! Mahi devran killed mehmet,
@@mariamajumder6619 mahidevran started it all she did it
@@ΔημΣΚ you can't blame her for everything ! they all are equally responsible for the karma they got.
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