I keep replaying the segment from 2:30 on and being gobsmacked by the idea that the sense of a real and separate me does not have access to direct sensory experience, only thoughts about that experience. "It only works within its own world," which I can see here is a clearly biased, constantly changing, ludicrously incomplete narrative about so-called reality. So what can and does experiences direct experience? (I'm asking myself and commenting at all to force myself to look at this) And where is the boundary between experiencing (it does seems clear there is no other separate bigger thing doing the experiencing, it is just experiencing happening) and the experienced? I think I can see there's no answering the questions, just experiencing them and letting them sink in.... :) I am so glad you are moved to make these videos
@@suesullivan8464 Yeah you're right, it doesn't have access to direct experience because it's not a thing and doesn't exist 😂 Just thoughts. Or you could say, it is a sense. What we experience as a self isn't actually here in any real way. What is here are senses, one of those being the mind sense and the movement of thought. But ultimately thought isn't separate from anything else or from any of the senses. What appears in the senses isn't separate from the senses themselves. So there is just thinking, seeing, hearing, feeling - all appearing simultaneously without separation. So the most real experience of a self is everything in experience, all at once. 🙂
much of the Joy I think in talking about this is in the effortlessness. Because at least for me my whole life, I was so concerned about how I came across to people. I mean not all of the time obviously but much of the time. Much of the time we are so concerned with how we appear to others. And when it is really sensed that there is no separation, and there are no others, there is a great freedom, and it can feel very effortless and joyful to express because it is what we’ve always wanted. Thought said we wanted to be seen by others but really we knew we weren’t even seeing ourselves. Because there are no parts.
First THANK YOU! Your pointings have been SO clear and have been invaluable! Right now the doubt is strong, it’s like this door I am standing in front of. I hope I can keep this comment short. In meditation it appears that there is a felt difference when the subjective thought self is in the forefront similar to when you describe (mind-blowing pointer) the moment that you realize your lost in thought and you come out of it, there is a visceral felt difference in that moment, which has now illuminated how often that is actually felt during and especially when not in mediation. It just feels like this battle with the subjective self creating doubt in what is actually real by screaming that IT (the subjective self) is the one sensing hearing, etc. and in some ways it is, after the fact (True??)… It’s just so crazy cuz even as I write this there is a deep knowing of what is real and that these are all just thoughts, arrrrgh! But it’s obvious something here is still believing them… I guess I’m just looking for a way to trust that that visceral feeling is what’s real! And the answer would seem to just keep feeling into that until it is what’s real here, so difficult to describe but felt compelled to comment.
@@TanyaGarner That you can feel it is important, that's the main thing. When you can feel it directly in your experience, then it's pretty much game over for that which isn't real, it's just matter of time. To trust this and let go fully into this will happen the way it does, it seems. The distraction of doubt becomes less believable over time as the simplicity of presence starts to include everything, including thoughts. I can tell from the way you are talking that the search for awakening is done, it's just like a backwards process of un-happening that leads to where you have never left, here 😂 It's just like, how much do you want to pretend that this isn't it? But at the same time "you" don't have any control over that and how that's going to play out. It's very much a process of letting go, but it's a scary thing to do, and it's not really until the "deeper stages" of this that it becomes clear what letting go really is, in retrospect - and the deeper stages are just the more simple levels of experience, less to hold onto, less to let go of 😄 When people start talking about how this feels, it's a clear sign that at a deep level, the conceptual side of awakening has lost a great deal of its reality.
@@difficult_to_describe Thank you for the response David! Every time I read it I can feel a calming of that battle & the frustration that comes with it! So much gratitude for your pointings & sharings🥰
Our true nature is back there behind all the confusion. That struggle appears to me as a to and fro between beliefs and felt experience. Great video David, very simple terms.
it can take a loooonnnggggg time for the tracking to stop appearing. to me it felt like getting used to compulsion and not reacting. not that there was any control over any of it 😜❤️
there is a losing of interest in participating in social "norms "( Celebrating birthdays, parties and holidays) . not so much that they seem unimportant they are lovely as life arising like a leaf falling or a sunrise -just an authenticity seems to have arisen and and generally an enthusiasm is dissolving and it can't be retrieved for obvious reasons. it's beautiful to see those who are buying into the stories, but I can't recite my old lines anymore.
@@maryrosemitchell9986 I definitely experienced a phase where there was a loss of the tendency to engage with the relative world, but as this integrates and deepens, there are no longer any parts of this experience which can be separated out from the whole, the relative can't be found apart from the absolute, it's all included. Maybe that's not what you are experiencing but that's just my experience 🙂
Maya is imagining that what one is imagining is happening outside of ones imagination - In order for it to be that, - That that is the definition of reality, not Maya. Thus, they believe, once they saw the false you, that that is the authentic you - That event will now be an experience that you thinks they had - And not it’s a totally interesting hagstone if the view is looking at the ‘see’ Thus it's self, being a delusional cognition of objective ratiocination, is unawares of being derived at - Looking at shadows of who we used to be get dumbfound by what is believing to be true - It, or It's self is lost which gives rise to the question, 'What is the meaning of life' ? But - The meaning of life is what death gave rise to the question. The movies actually come before the books. An energetically contracted parasitical eye of subtle imagining superimposing a morphic phantom of distracted desire, turned around as the rider of the bull, and optically cast out by the River Gods in a myopic way - (So that objects which are actually massive don't seem so large - But did steel from a Philistine - The land of Pale'Stain not being the size of Blackpool), So that the person thinks they are the thinker watching King Duo David TV and his doppelgänger clock via it's hypnotised fantasist paying attention to the shadow cast of which, or micro phish of which has already rendered the fate of 'Them' in costumes. And is why they all have pseudonyms - Thus are the demons. The Ancient is Anew - The Nile mirrors the Mississippi, The Unionist are the Confederacy. ========== And if you watch Hollywood, understand the psychological premise of which is designed to keep the snake eating it's own tail as the assumed character IE: What is life all a’boat ? Until your life is lost you’ll always wonder why. Lets began The pictures are on the wall since I have no TV. If they concentrate on the eddy they’ll miss the river. I will conclude from it how things were. Nataly didn’t end well - (Gnat All Lie/Gnat Telly) - Perpetrated by a subset of bottle guzzling Licorama's inventing story's in order to draw in the customers - The entertainment industry. (The ego loves escapism) IE: You won’t recognise where your here because you believe you can be somewhere else. It’s like trying to do a jigsaw when you haven’t got the picture on the box. If they take off in the fog they’ll never land it. And if they try to they’ll crash. You think you want freedom, but if you know what freedom means, you will run away from that. The Matt and Satin finish is yet to be de-term-Inn’ed. How far into this clock have ever been I hadn’t had a drink since then. ------------------------- So that the premise is the void of you in order for the subconscious man to fill his void with acts of desire and endorphin releasing substance consumption - This way it can beat you up about it's wreck, IE: It may have a real importance to being wrong because it will be right about how wrong it believes you are, so your wondering why your messing things up because then it can be right about how wrong you are. But realize (Real Eyes), what your taking yourself to be isn’t you because your seeing it from what you are (Or there’s a seeing and believing of it from/as what your are) - So that your seeing it as from what you are as that which is appearing in front of the camera from before the camera. - Or when the big lens looks through the little lens it forgets it is the big lens due to being dumbfounded by what is believing to be true which is looking at shadows of who we used to be. ------------------------- The longings of sense draw thee to roam abroad; but when the hour hath passed away, what dost thou bring back with thee but a weight upon thy conscience, and a dissipated heart ? Often times a joyous going abroad begetteth a sorrowful return home: and a merry evening maketh a sorrowful morning, but at the end bring remorse and death. Thomas à Kempis
Is it that thoughts, all thoughts, including the me, originate from awareness and return to awareness? Not separate. Not anything. Not even possible to say that 'they' dissolve really! Is this what you are pointing to when you say look at the nature of thought? Thanks as always 😌
I keep replaying the segment from 2:30 on and being gobsmacked by the idea that the sense of a real and separate me does not have access to direct sensory experience, only thoughts about that experience. "It only works within its own world," which I can see here is a clearly biased, constantly changing, ludicrously incomplete narrative about so-called reality.
So what can and does experiences direct experience? (I'm asking myself and commenting at all to force myself to look at this) And where is the boundary between experiencing (it does seems clear there is no other separate bigger thing doing the experiencing, it is just experiencing happening) and the experienced?
I think I can see there's no answering the questions, just experiencing them and letting them sink in.... :)
I am so glad you are moved to make these videos
@@suesullivan8464 Yeah you're right, it doesn't have access to direct experience because it's not a thing and doesn't exist 😂 Just thoughts. Or you could say, it is a sense. What we experience as a self isn't actually here in any real way. What is here are senses, one of those being the mind sense and the movement of thought. But ultimately thought isn't separate from anything else or from any of the senses. What appears in the senses isn't separate from the senses themselves. So there is just thinking, seeing, hearing, feeling - all appearing simultaneously without separation. So the most real experience of a self is everything in experience, all at once. 🙂
much of the Joy I think in talking about this is in the effortlessness. Because at least for me my whole life, I was so concerned about how I came across to people. I mean not all of the time obviously but much of the time. Much of the time we are so concerned with how we appear to others. And when it is really sensed that there is no separation, and there are no others, there is a great freedom, and it can feel very effortless and joyful to express because it is what we’ve always wanted. Thought said we wanted to be seen by others but really we knew we weren’t even seeing ourselves. Because there are no parts.
First THANK YOU! Your pointings have been SO clear and have been invaluable! Right now the doubt is strong, it’s like this door I am standing in front of. I hope I can keep this comment short. In meditation it appears that there is a felt difference when the subjective thought self is in the forefront similar to when you describe (mind-blowing pointer) the moment that you realize your lost in thought and you come out of it, there is a visceral felt difference in that moment, which has now illuminated how often that is actually felt during and especially when not in mediation.
It just feels like this battle with the subjective self creating doubt in what is actually real by screaming that IT (the subjective self) is the one sensing hearing, etc. and in some ways it is, after the fact (True??)… It’s just so crazy cuz even as I write this there is a deep knowing of what is real and that these are all just thoughts, arrrrgh! But it’s obvious something here is still believing them… I guess I’m just looking for a way to trust that that visceral feeling is what’s real! And the answer would seem to just keep feeling into that until it is what’s real here, so difficult to describe but felt compelled to comment.
@@TanyaGarner That you can feel it is important, that's the main thing. When you can feel it directly in your experience, then it's pretty much game over for that which isn't real, it's just matter of time. To trust this and let go fully into this will happen the way it does, it seems. The distraction of doubt becomes less believable over time as the simplicity of presence starts to include everything, including thoughts.
I can tell from the way you are talking that the search for awakening is done, it's just like a backwards process of un-happening that leads to where you have never left, here 😂 It's just like, how much do you want to pretend that this isn't it? But at the same time "you" don't have any control over that and how that's going to play out. It's very much a process of letting go, but it's a scary thing to do, and it's not really until the "deeper stages" of this that it becomes clear what letting go really is, in retrospect - and the deeper stages are just the more simple levels of experience, less to hold onto, less to let go of 😄
When people start talking about how this feels, it's a clear sign that at a deep level, the conceptual side of awakening has lost a great deal of its reality.
@@difficult_to_describe Thank you for the response David! Every time I read it I can feel a calming of that battle & the frustration that comes with it! So much gratitude for your pointings & sharings🥰
Great answers, thank you - they clarify a lot!
Our true nature is back there behind all the confusion.
That struggle appears to me as a to and fro between beliefs and felt experience.
Great video David, very simple terms.
@@norfolkyeti Life is a trip 😂❤️
@@difficult_to_describe it is indeed ❤️🍄🕉️
it can take a loooonnnggggg time for the tracking to stop appearing. to me it felt like getting used to compulsion and not reacting.
not that there was any control over any of it 😜❤️
there is a losing of interest in participating in social "norms "( Celebrating birthdays, parties and holidays) . not so much that they seem unimportant they are lovely as life arising like a leaf falling or a sunrise -just an authenticity seems to have arisen and and generally an enthusiasm is dissolving and it can't be retrieved for obvious reasons. it's beautiful to see those who are buying into the stories, but I can't recite my old lines anymore.
@@maryrosemitchell9986 I definitely experienced a phase where there was a loss of the tendency to engage with the relative world, but as this integrates and deepens, there are no longer any parts of this experience which can be separated out from the whole, the relative can't be found apart from the absolute, it's all included. Maybe that's not what you are experiencing but that's just my experience 🙂
Maya is imagining that what one is imagining is happening outside of ones imagination - In order for it to be that, - That that is the definition of reality, not Maya.
Thus, they believe, once they saw the false you, that that is the authentic you - That event will now be an experience that you thinks they had - And not it’s a totally interesting hagstone if the view is looking at the ‘see’
Thus it's self, being a delusional cognition of objective ratiocination, is unawares of being derived at - Looking at shadows of who we used to be get dumbfound by what is believing to be true - It, or It's self is lost which gives rise to the question, 'What is the meaning of life' ?
But - The meaning of life is what death gave rise to the question.
The movies actually come before the books.
An energetically contracted parasitical eye of subtle imagining superimposing a morphic phantom of distracted desire, turned around as the rider of the bull, and optically cast out by the River Gods in a myopic way - (So that objects which are actually massive don't seem so large - But did steel from a Philistine - The land of Pale'Stain not being the size of Blackpool), So that the person thinks they are the thinker watching King Duo David TV and his doppelgänger clock via it's hypnotised fantasist paying attention to the shadow cast of which, or micro phish of which has already rendered the fate of 'Them' in costumes. And is why they all have pseudonyms - Thus are the demons.
The Ancient is Anew - The Nile mirrors the Mississippi, The Unionist are the Confederacy.
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And if you watch Hollywood, understand the psychological premise of which is designed to keep the snake eating it's own tail as the assumed character IE:
What is life all a’boat ?
Until your life is lost you’ll always wonder why.
Lets began
The pictures are on the wall since I have no TV.
If they concentrate on the eddy they’ll miss the river.
I will conclude from it how things were.
Nataly didn’t end well - (Gnat All Lie/Gnat Telly) - Perpetrated by a subset of bottle guzzling Licorama's inventing story's in order to draw in the customers - The entertainment industry. (The ego loves escapism) IE:
You won’t recognise where your here because you believe you can be somewhere else.
It’s like trying to do a jigsaw when you haven’t got the picture on the box.
If they take off in the fog they’ll never land it. And if they try to they’ll crash.
You think you want freedom, but if you know what freedom means, you will run away from that. The Matt and Satin finish is yet to be de-term-Inn’ed.
How far into this clock have ever been
I hadn’t had a drink since then.
-------------------------
So that the premise is the void of you in order for the subconscious man to fill his void with acts of desire and endorphin releasing substance consumption - This way it can beat you up about it's wreck, IE:
It may have a real importance to being wrong because it will be right about how wrong it believes you are, so your wondering why your messing things up because then it can be right about how wrong you are.
But realize (Real Eyes), what your taking yourself to be isn’t you because your seeing it from what you are (Or there’s a seeing and believing of it from/as what your are) - So that your seeing it as from what you are as that which is appearing in front of the camera from before the camera. - Or when the big lens looks through the little lens it forgets it is the big lens due to being dumbfounded by what is believing to be true which is looking at shadows of who we used to be. -------------------------
The longings of sense draw thee to roam abroad; but when the hour hath passed away, what dost thou bring back with thee but a weight upon thy conscience, and a dissipated heart ? Often times a joyous going abroad begetteth a sorrowful return home: and a merry evening maketh a sorrowful morning, but at the end bring remorse and death. Thomas à Kempis
@@billyjames9861 Nice.
"before Abraham, I AM" - Kurt Russell
Is it that thoughts, all thoughts, including the me, originate from awareness and return to awareness? Not separate. Not anything. Not even possible to say that 'they' dissolve really! Is this what you are pointing to when you say look at the nature of thought? Thanks as always 😌
@@miriam9391 Answered this in the most recent video :)