so ive had 3 of these in total. the first one i ran for a year before a tooth snapped. their warranty team was amazing and sent me another free of charge . the second i wore through over a year, and the third one is just reaching the end of its life. if you think thats not long for a cassette then id like to reinforce that on avg i go through a cassette every 4-6 months due to my riding and the silt in my area. ive got their der lower cage aswell which ive ran for atleast 4 years now with no issues. alowing me to use 51t cassettes with an 11speed der. overall from quality, durability and cust support theyre one of my favourite brands
That so awesome to hear. Not just that the product is good, but that they warranty and have good customer service. Brands that do that make me a customer for life. (PNW is another company with amazing support like that). Thanks for sharing!
@@Leo-gt1bx Kind of hard to generalize that without knowing how much riding they do. It's also entirely plausible that people would rather ride more and replace parts more frequently than to clean and lubricate their drivetrain as often as they probably should.
the real benefit of garbaruk cassettes is the 1x11 version. with the old sram x01 you only get 10-42 standard cassettes so the range and ratio is just not good enough for steep climbs. with the 1x11 sram garbaruk cassett you get 10-50 which is a gamechanger and feels just like the sram eagle! you need the garbaruk sram derailleur cage though.
Funny I didn’t even notice that….but yeah you are right. Not sure what pro/cons are for smaller or larger. All I know is that the new ones weigh less, work great and look cooler!
Great question. I was just on a ride last week and had a few poorly timed shifts where I hit a climb and wasn’t properly geared. I will say that it was pretty clunky in that scenario. Granted I wasn’t helping by trying to grab like 4 gears under heavy load, but it definitely didn’t sound great. Outside of that, it’s pretty solid so far with decent shifting and no issues to speak of.
In general, yes. When it comes to 12-speed cassettes, the XO1 is usually gonna be $350 or higher. The XX1 will typically be well over $400, some up to $480! The Garbaruk is $286 and weighs less than both.
Yes, I went one link longer. Mostly because the cassette is a 52T vs the XT which is 51T. I’m not certain I needed that extra link, but it seems like the right length. I went ahead and replaced my shifter cable when I did this, which was overdue anyway. As far as adjustments, it was really just fine tuning the barrel adjuster. I didn’t have to touch the high/low stops or mess with the B gap. Left all of that alone. I’ll see after a few rides if I need to tweak anything else.
@@DadDoingStuffI've been using a 9-46T chinese one from Ztto for more than 3500 miles so far. Weight is 361g and shifting is perfect with my XT derailleur. Bought it for $124 back then which is pretty good imo. Some people have trouble making them shift correctly but I'll definitely try my luck again and buy another one when this one will be dead :)
Holllyyyy, B-Tension adjustment way too much. Upper pulley in 2nd gear should be the distance approx of what your 3rd gear currently is from the biggest ring when looking from the side... You have way too much B- Udjustmemt gap. Maybe try running upper pulley closer and see what it does, thank me later ;) 6:46
I see exactly what you were talking about. I just put it in the stand and made some adjustments. Couple things to note. 1. I was able to bring the B-gap in a bit, but not as far as I thought I could. (not nearly as close as like it would be on a SRAM 12-speed) If I brought it in that close, I couldn't jam straight from 3rd to 1st....but give it a min to hit 2nd before going to the granny. Also, it would get into the big ring ok, but had a hard time leaving the big ring. 2. I also had to make a small adjustment to the clutch tension and loosen it a touch. If that clutch is too tight, it would REALLY get stuck on the big ring. I just did a clutch maintenance, so the clutch is properly greased and not sticking like they tend to do over time. So right now it seems to be shifting well across the entire range and it IS getting into the big ring better than it was prior. I'm riding tonight, so I'll provide some feedback after the ride. Thanks for looking out!!
@liamdk9848 Quick update from the ride tonight. Got a decent ride with 1500’ of climbing, so plenty to play with that cassette. So far so good! Worked well in all the gears. Shifted well under load too. Overall, just nice and quiet with solid shifting. Exactly what I was hoping for. Will see how it does over the long term.
@DadDoingStuff I'm glad I could help. My riding style is a bit different as I've adapted to go fully into 2nd from 3rd as opposed to double shifting from 3rd straight into 1st. It allows me to run that upper pulley quite close to the cassette. If your style is grabbing a hand full of gears, I would run the upper pulley further away. I am a racer, so by running the upper pulley closer, I've found my cassettes to last longer, especially in the smaller gears as the chain has a bit more wrap around the cassette. One other thing to note which you probably already know, particularly with any 12s 1x setup, is that hanger alignment is absolutely crucial to crisp shifts. I am running full sram setup with sram, e-thirteen, and garbaruk cassettes that I've used before, so take all of my advice from a sram user's perspective. Happy trails!
so ive had 3 of these in total.
the first one i ran for a year before a tooth snapped. their warranty team was amazing and sent me another free of charge
. the second i wore through over a year, and the third one is just reaching the end of its life.
if you think thats not long for a cassette then id like to reinforce that on avg i go through a cassette every 4-6 months due to my riding and the silt in my area.
ive got their der lower cage aswell which ive ran for atleast 4 years now with no issues. alowing me to use 51t cassettes with an 11speed der.
overall from quality, durability and cust support theyre one of my favourite brands
That so awesome to hear. Not just that the product is good, but that they warranty and have good customer service. Brands that do that make me a customer for life. (PNW is another company with amazing support like that). Thanks for sharing!
Every 4 to 6 months is not possible on a well maintained bike unless it's a E bike.
@@Leo-gt1bx Kind of hard to generalize that without knowing how much riding they do. It's also entirely plausible that people would rather ride more and replace parts more frequently than to clean and lubricate their drivetrain as often as they probably should.
the real benefit of garbaruk cassettes is the 1x11 version. with the old sram x01 you only get 10-42 standard cassettes so the range and ratio is just not good enough for steep climbs. with the 1x11 sram garbaruk cassett you get 10-50 which is a gamechanger and feels just like the sram eagle! you need the garbaruk sram derailleur cage though.
Great feedback and really good benefit!
The stock pulleys are 13 tooth. Replacement 14. Thats why they are different size. I counted them on your video.
Funny I didn’t even notice that….but yeah you are right. Not sure what pro/cons are for smaller or larger. All I know is that the new ones weigh less, work great and look cooler!
I heard for them and I am using their front chainring and it is really great
That’s awesome! So far I’m really impressed with their stuff.
How is shift under load? This is something Shimano is very good. Did you notice any downgrade in performance?
Great question. I was just on a ride last week and had a few poorly timed shifts where I hit a climb and wasn’t properly geared. I will say that it was pretty clunky in that scenario. Granted I wasn’t helping by trying to grab like 4 gears under heavy load, but it definitely didn’t sound great. Outside of that, it’s pretty solid so far with decent shifting and no issues to speak of.
Is this a less expensive alternative to SRAM’s X01-XX1 cassettes?
In general, yes. When it comes to 12-speed cassettes, the XO1 is usually gonna be $350 or higher. The XX1 will typically be well over $400, some up to $480! The Garbaruk is $286 and weighs less than both.
@@DadDoingStuffGreat info. This Garbaruk could be a good alternative when my SRAM cassette craps out.
Hmmmm might slap this on my bike. But gotta learn more MTB, still new to this world.
MTB rocks dude! Plenty of opps to hurt yourself, but at least trees won’t run you over because they were texting while driving!
I heard about them long time ago
Have you used any of there stuff yet?
@@DadDoingStuff no.
shimano's original pulleys work best. what is the point?
Time will tell on if these perform better or worse than the stock ones. but, the new pulleys look WAY the hell cooler. So there’s at least that.
So did you end up adding any chain links? Did you have to mess to much with the derailleur adjustments?
Yes, I went one link longer. Mostly because the cassette is a 52T vs the XT which is 51T. I’m not certain I needed that extra link, but it seems like the right length. I went ahead and replaced my shifter cable when I did this, which was overdue anyway. As far as adjustments, it was really just fine tuning the barrel adjuster. I didn’t have to touch the high/low stops or mess with the B gap. Left all of that alone. I’ll see after a few rides if I need to tweak anything else.
honestly looks like something that would last a month but i'd be interested to be proven wrong
Time will tell, but it’s not some mass produced pile of crap from China. So 🤞
@@DadDoingStuffI've been using a 9-46T chinese one from Ztto for more than 3500 miles so far. Weight is 361g and shifting is perfect with my XT derailleur.
Bought it for $124 back then which is pretty good imo.
Some people have trouble making them shift correctly but I'll definitely try my luck again and buy another one when this one will be dead :)
@@diran971 Those are very impressive results for a $124 cassette. Assuming that's a XD driver with the 9T for the high gear?
@@DadDoingStuff That's right, you can only have 9T with an XD or XDR driver :)
I have verd that the durability of these cassettes is superb.
A true weight Winnie gets excited about .25LBS 😊
Don't forget that is unsprung mass on full suspension bike so it means a lot
Not wrong about that!
It’s actually 0.375 lbs. But I’m being pedantic 😂
Holllyyyy, B-Tension adjustment way too much. Upper pulley in 2nd gear should be the distance approx of what your 3rd gear currently is from the biggest ring when looking from the side... You have way too much B- Udjustmemt gap. Maybe try running upper pulley closer and see what it does, thank me later ;) 6:46
I see exactly what you were talking about. I just put it in the stand and made some adjustments. Couple things to note.
1. I was able to bring the B-gap in a bit, but not as far as I thought I could. (not nearly as close as like it would be on a SRAM 12-speed) If I brought it in that close, I couldn't jam straight from 3rd to 1st....but give it a min to hit 2nd before going to the granny. Also, it would get into the big ring ok, but had a hard time leaving the big ring.
2. I also had to make a small adjustment to the clutch tension and loosen it a touch. If that clutch is too tight, it would REALLY get stuck on the big ring. I just did a clutch maintenance, so the clutch is properly greased and not sticking like they tend to do over time.
So right now it seems to be shifting well across the entire range and it IS getting into the big ring better than it was prior. I'm riding tonight, so I'll provide some feedback after the ride.
Thanks for looking out!!
@liamdk9848 Quick update from the ride tonight. Got a decent ride with 1500’ of climbing, so plenty to play with that cassette. So far so good! Worked well in all the gears. Shifted well under load too. Overall, just nice and quiet with solid shifting. Exactly what I was hoping for. Will see how it does over the long term.
@DadDoingStuff I'm glad I could help. My riding style is a bit different as I've adapted to go fully into 2nd from 3rd as opposed to double shifting from 3rd straight into 1st. It allows me to run that upper pulley quite close to the cassette. If your style is grabbing a hand full of gears, I would run the upper pulley further away. I am a racer, so by running the upper pulley closer, I've found my cassettes to last longer, especially in the smaller gears as the chain has a bit more wrap around the cassette. One other thing to note which you probably already know, particularly with any 12s 1x setup, is that hanger alignment is absolutely crucial to crisp shifts. I am running full sram setup with sram, e-thirteen, and garbaruk cassettes that I've used before, so take all of my advice from a sram user's perspective. Happy trails!
SunRace and Microshift. Stop it with the Shimano Sram
I like where you’re heading, but sorry…..way too much of a weight penalty!!
@@DadDoingStuff rider weight is a much more significant factor