Everything Wrong with the Battle of Mos Espa
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Nothing wrong with a lil nitpicking.
What happened to Boba's ship Slave1/(Uighur1 I think Disney changed it)? That's a pretty tough ship with pretty big guns. How far is Boba's Palace? Did that Rancor run all the way from Boba's to the city?
I'm going to disagree with the distance and spacing argument, despite when we are told on a technical level blasters seem to be more like high tech muskets. Unless the plot demands it their rather inaccurate and their slower projectile speed means they would have a shorter effective range, unless again the plot demands other wise.
So in reality they would of course need to be in close range with line fire tactics as that wold really be the only way to ensure you hit something. Granted once again unless the plot demands it.
Love a Star Trek ad on a Star Wars video! Who says it can't be both
What if Thrawn showed up in the clone wars
Mando providing air support in his N-1 or Boba doing it in the Slave-1 would have given them a good overview of the city and either ship would have made short work of the droids.
I was honestly surprised there was no aerial combat. Before the scorpion droids rolled in I thought it was going to be an airstrike
Exactly!! I feel as though they could have mowed down the Pykes way easier if they did so from the air. Maybe even a cool dog fight between Cad Bane and Boba resulting in a crash then the show down between the two.
Agree. They could have had discussed in the meeting why they couldn’t use Slave-1. Minimise collateral damage or something.
Which is sad because Boba Fett in Legends is famous precisely because he’s like Batman with a tool for almost every situation.
Disney already gave us 2 sonic bombs. Would it kill them to use one more?
@@ajh3461 maybe not another sonic bomb but just main cannons should have made short work of the battle droids.
The Mandalorians not even considering using their ships was a big nitpick of mine. You’d think the only guys in battle who have starfighters (pretty good ones at that) would’ve thought about using either of them during this
The goal was to protect the town the best the could, yes using star fighters would give them an easy victory, it’d also fuck up everything
@@thewyit4222 cause the rancor rampaging in the city was so much better
@@Cthulhuwarlord you had me crying of laughter thanks
Just going to head canon that it was possible because either the pikes have strong anti air capabilities or it would draw the attention of new republic officers and bring in a squadron of x-wings.
Really just a throwaway line like either of those would have helped.
@@thewyit4222 That's why staying in the town was a dumb idea. Sure it puts on more of a show for the people (Like, it's not just another crime lord being sieged out in his own palace) But wasn't the goal to "protect the people"? Fighting in this massive town itself not only endangers them more, but also denies Boba and company the few advantages the could have against the Pykes. Like, if the Pykes signed out Boba's Palace. It's a way more defensible position than a blown up bar in a massive town. That way he would not only have cover but also wouldn't need to spread his own forces so thin because there would be way less ground to cover. Not to mention the Rancor and two starships at your disposal that could be used to maw down the enemy without destroying half the city you want to protect. I loved that finale and I liked the series, but that battle was so underwhelming.
I just think it was too ‘childish’ and no tension. Like the Pykes just ran around like headless chickens getting mown down, whilst non of Fetts soldiers died apart from the gamorians.
That’s the issue with Disney Star Wars I feel, the bad guys are weak and almost a joke, removing any tension and genuine concern for the characters. I didn’t even see the spider droid actually kill anyone. It was like watching power rangers.
I also like to see some military tactics and planning not just a crazy shoot out which would end very quickly in ‘reality’ like I like it to be ‘realistic’ in terms of the Star Wars universe with death and consequences not just a festival of gunning down moronic enemies.
Also wish Bane was involved more and caused some serious damage
yes
Shit, Power Rangers villains are more intimidating some times
Yea as the fett army retreated in a *straight line* neither the droids nor the pykes takes the time to take them out instead of littarly aiming blind tbh i expexted thats they would get all slaughtered
feel like the Mandalorian did far better w/ actually killing good guys as well as bad guys
You’re so right. Disney is just so fucking stupid sometimes.
Completely agree. Honestly so many mistakes could be avoided if they hired you as a consultant or something like that.
Oh they definitely hire someone. They then just proceed to ignore them completely because it’s not thrilling or dramatic enough
It does make a certain sense though. Boba, Din, and Fennic are all bounty hunters. None of them have formal military training.
That being said, instead of muscle, they should have recruited someone that did. Wouldn't even have to be new republic. Just someone that's fought in a unit. There has to be mercs that aren't lone wolf bounty hunters.
Yeah
I actually laughed out loud when that guy did a 360 spin before shooting. Absolutely no reason for him to do that and it just looked incredibly stupid.
At least in a lightsaber battle you can argue a spin can put more momentum into a strike (although half the time they stop spinning BEFORE they strike anyway) but this has absolutely no justification
He goes so fast in the spin, it cool his weapons so it doesnt overheat
Weird way to reload i know
No, I think he was slinging the bullet so it would have spin on it
@@joshuamyers2426 that is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.
@@lolk4530 it's a joke that comes from a movie called Wanted, where for some reason they can 'curve' bullets in their trajectory. It's dumb there too
For lightsaber duels, the spinning is almost always a feint.
With a weapon that cuts through anything with no effort, every single movement needs to be considered an attack, which means every movement can only be a feint.
I hope it gets more seasons. Boba, after all, needs a way to keep them employed.
Lol I wouldn’t mind it’s not the worst show in the world
@@GenerationTech Better than the last two New Trilogy Movies for sure...
@@steelshanks1265 Somehow Boba wasn't digested by the Sarlaac.
There was no cliff hanger to leave it on, and I don't think Disney will invest in it anyways because it seemed to be so much worse compared to The Mandalorian and S7 clone wars.
@@RorikH The Sarlac digests stuff super slowly and he was pretty scared up leaving the sarlac
I have to say that the series overall for this season could have been structured better; I personally would have love to see "old" Boba as he was known for becoming the more caring and reasonable one in bits especially with the flashbacks. I don't feel that we got enough of him becoming one who looked out for himself only to become one who looked out for others. That development I would have loved to see done a bit better.
I would have prefer to see Bane show up earlier in the season to build up anticipation which this series really needed in earlier bits thus the ending of his story here would have been quite the climaxed ending.
I would have preferred if Grogu's choice was left ambiguous/somewhat of a cliff hanger until later in this verse. Like what if this series ended on that note with Luke offering him the choice? I think that would have been quite something as a mid credits scene setting up for more on Mando season 3.
Overall I think that Boba was overshadowed with Din, Ahsoka, and Luke showing up in the seried. They were important yes to set up Mando season 3 and the Ahsoka series but Boba should have had more stuff to build up on by itself (hence why i wanted Bane to show up earlier) for more engagment and interest for the fans.
Overall I say it was a decent season and if they do more, I wonder what direction they will go.
But this is just my take.
I agree, things just happened so fast in the book of Boba, good, just so fast.
Well said, I do love the show but it does have evident problems that I really don’t see people talk about too much, this comment was really refreshing
@@Zanrawr-f4l One of my biggest problems with the show is it has no theme. Bane calls him a killer and he says he's a changed man and that's as much as we get. We don't see what he was we never see him struggle with the change. Maybe one of the mods gets into an argument with some local or something and it gets heated and they blast them right in the face. Then Boba would get mad and blow up on them but its really because that's something he would have done and it's the regret and anger at himself surfacing. Afterwards there could be a nice bonding scene with Boba and whichever mod shot the guy where he explains himself and gives some advice and maybe tells him about something ruthless he's done for a bounty before.
@@davidteachout1888 I feel like the theme of the show was that being more moral doesn't mean going soft, but at the same time, in ESB, Darth Vader personally told him not to disintegrate his targets, and then in chapter 2 of this he was telling the Pikes that drugs were bad and they should be better role models. In Mando season 2 he was fairly honorable and decent while still braining stormtroopers with a murder stick. Here he was neither brutal nor particularly cunning. He couldn't even get the gangs on his side, and didn't seem to have any idea how being a daimyo worked or what to do with his time.
Honestly they shouldn't have changed his character at all. Nobody prefers this version of Boba. And the thing that matters most should be what the fans want.
I agree with you. The battle was so poorly written. It just makes me sad to see a Star Wars series end with a let down. How far away was the sanctuary from the battle? How fast does a Rancor run?
and wen thos droids show up why the rankor i would have goten his ship
Not only poorly written, but completely poorly thought out on all ends. Boba should of used Jabba's Fortress to start with and use the air support of both the N-1 and Slave 1. Then again, this is Disney and they suck at anything battle related.
@@goufr3540 boba was going to use the castle but the mods talked him out of it. That specifically isn’t bad writing, just characters making bad choices. Though it may have ended up being a major choice for them
@@captainswagger2838 I agree with staying in town but everyone hiding behind one speeder?
THANK YOU for mention the Ahsoka grenade scene! Haha I was waiting for someone to do it and was so disappointed when it never happened lol
Krrsantan TRIED to do the slow entry, but the Droid repelled him.
When 2x droids are working in a pair, they could cover each other from sheild infiltrator tactics, as it takes too long to force in unmolested.
That wouldn't work on them. These droids were designed and built by Colicoid Creation Nest, the same race that made the Destroyer Droids (Droideka's). These are Scorpenek Annihilator droids and are packing far larger and more powerful combination particle-energy shield generators than their much smaller and more modest cousins. These generators were so strong that even fire from the main heavy laser cannon of several AT-TE's wouldn't bring it down, and those cannons were far stronger than even the ones on the Slave I. Short of overwhelming it with something like an orbital bombardment from a turbolaser, the only other way is a massive sustained force that would eventually burn out the generators, or by hitting it from all sides at once with tremendous force/fire and overloading them. Both of which the Rancor provided with relative ease. They were made to be one unit armies capable of annihilating entire fighting forces single-handedly, and they did so to great effect during the Clone Wars. Thankfully these droids were obscenely expensive and hard to produce and only a few hundred were ever built. I'm actually more surprised that the Pyke's even got a hold of one, let alone two of them.
@@ronanshamrock9303 and they both became expensive toys for the rancor. From what I seen and heard about rancors it would be wise to just outfit one with armor and rockets like the locust do with the Brumaks in Gears of War. Isn’t there a story about an entire stormtrooper garrison with several AT-ST getting wiped out by a single Rancor?
The entire time I was thinking that Mando can place one of his detonaters on his belt in the line of the droids path then blow them once they're in the shield
Same here. I'm beginning to think no one in Mos Espa owns a thermal detonator or a emp Droid popper.
Staying in sanctuary reminded me of fighting at Helm's Deep in Star Wars because they can only come at you from one direction and can't surround you. The fight at Helm's Deep, on the other hand, was fought with swords and arrows. Also, a bombed out cantina is where season 1 of the Mandalorian ended, almost as if they had a set pre-built?
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I think they did it as a call back to mandalorian season 2 fight. The two episodes with just Mando were clearly meant to built interest since the writers knew they had nothing with Boba Fett series so they needed something to dig them out if the hole.
@@sethofthewildfire That last part seems pretty accurate. Honestly, how did they manage to make Boba Fett (and by extension Jango Fett) uninteresting?
I believe the battle was a stroke of genius, because while Boba Fett is an expert in combat, he's not a tactician, he has basically only looked after himself. sure he could take out a whole platoon on his own, but it wouldn't be because he used open warfare. plus it solidifies the point they wanted to make, as Boba says "we aren't cut out for this". this allows them to put the unknown huttling in free town to power when he is revealed.
I think staying in Mos Espa was a terrible idea. The argument that the people need to be protected is a hollow one at best, as it is Boba Fett's presence that's endangering them. If you really want to keep the citizens safe, better to lure the Pikes out of the city. Also, you have Slave 1 and a Rancor close at hand, no need to run back and fetch them like Boba Fett did.
EXACTLY! Parts of the city were significantly damaged. We have no idea how many casualties happened just by being caught in the cross fire. That final scene wouldn't have had people saluting Fett out of respect, they would be saluting him out of fear!
The pykes bombed a cantina and bane gunned down a sheriff of a town. I wouldn’t put it past the pykes to hold the city hostage and killing innocents if boba had retreated to the palace. Also it’s important for his people to see him fight, to show he’s a true leader of the people (though yeah that rancor definitely fucked peoples houses up, but so we’re the droids). Also fighting in the desert would not be easy with no cover, they would be decimated
Good points!
But then the Pikes get complete access to Mos Espa and may use the residents as hostages. To have any validity, B Fett had to hold his territory.
@@patrickhenry1249 I agree, it reminds me of that scene from game of thrones where Robert talks about the dothraki and says that if they were to just hide in the castle the people would turn against them and side with their enemies since then they would be seen as cowards. Same thing applies here, he can't flee to the palace because then he would lose any respect he had among the citizens and they might decide that the pikes would be better rulers and side with them while boba fett and his men are destroyed in a siege. So overall he chose the best option of the ones available to him. Although I do agree that they could have positioned them better given their limited manpower.
Agreed. Seeing them not use the high ground was frustrating. I also disagreed with where they placed the look outs. B.C. on top because he can scale the cliff. Mods in Transocean town because it is the most open and Gamoreans in aquash because of it's narrow quarters.
Why even have the Mods together. Split them up into teams at the least and have them act as your lookouts/forward scouts in multiple locations. Not that it even mattered since the Pykes were just able to walk right up to the front door uncontested. Smarter move would've been to use the buildings leading to the "HQ" to set up snipers and ambushes. Force the Pykes into bleeding every step of the way to get there.
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the scorpion droid has *both* a particle and a ray shield, that's why they couldn't just pass through it to get inside or use droid poppers
@@Thorium_ He did use the darksaber, it didn't work.
@@Thorium_ Maybe for a short while, these are starship grade shields these droids having. On top of that, Dinn is barely able to hold onto the darksaber to begin with.
Why can't these pikes throw thermal grenade instead of continuously shooting when they are already in cover
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The problem with this is that the shields still have to let slow objects through for the same reason as with the Droidekas. If the shields didn't do so, the droids would be unable to navigate even the most mildly adverse terrain. The shields would bump into walls, kick up rocks, and make navigating anything except for a perfectly flat plane obscenely difficult.
The whole episode was one big fight scene. Absolutely no reason they couldn't give Bane and Boba a proper prolonged fight. 2 of the greatest hunters of their respective eras with a personal history, it was over way too quick.
No. Western theme means the fight would be closer to real life. Quick and dirty.
In fact: for a purist like me it took too long.
It was realistic
Who cares about the length of the fight they had no buildup (clone wars was a *different* show) it was one conversation and one meeting no matter how they done the fight it would be disappointing
These two aren't done battling. I think they will in season 2
Yeah I agree that the more dangerous the pair, the quicker the fight would be over. The first mistake ends the fight and whoever makes it.
I don't know how that wall they hide behind held up when it was shot multiple times by the giant droid
Plot armor
my dad was complaining about that the entire time he watched it
@@jrev2284 If your dad knew the source material for that droid I'm not surprised. It's supposed to be an absolute murder machine that shreds through tanks and walls with no problems.
I hated how the characters would get thrown, and suddenly forget they had jet packs. Or din would lay on the groups, waiting to die just so Grogu could do a thing . Din especially just didn’t try during that fight, v upsetting
There’s alot more that could be added, like how when fleeing the droid tanks everyone runs in one direction down a long road; they could have easy split up and/or run down the alleys where the droids could not follow. Also kind of ridiculous that wall made of clay withstood cannon fire. And they decided to stand and fight even when they knew their weapons were useless against tank. Also they didn’t just forget about the N1, they also forgot about the slave 1.
And we can even look at cad bane’s role. Really idiotic for him to only show up AFTER the pykes pretty much lost. Best time for him to show up was at the same tome as the tanks. Tanks deal with the fodder while bane protects them from any tricks and handles the big targets like fett and mando...
Oh and that chase scene with the droids went on just long enough for me to think "how have they not managed to out run these slow moving tanks?" Really this whole fight wasn’t really well handled
Not to mention literally all of their troops (Both Freetown citizens, Mods, Krrsantan) all pile up behind a single speeder.
Exactly
Let's also not forget the modder chick totally distracting the Droid so the other chick could shoot the soldiers...by staying three feet away from her.
I think Disney got to ambitious with this series with so few episodes. Imagine if they took a season of Clone Wars or Rebels and just tried to do them I only 7 episodes. I think they would be better off combining both The Book of Boba Fett and The Mandolorian and pushing them out to something like 21 episodes a season.
It was just mando season 2.5
The problem was Robby Rodriguez swinging his dick around, he ruins everything.
@@Toastedtasty42 yeah, even Filoni, who is very fresh to live action made a better job. Personally I wished "The Book" was a criminal drama filmed by somebody like Guy Richie, with the final battle filmed by Michael Bay (in 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi style) but we got this noncense.
@@solarissv777 Too bad disney aren't known for hiring people that does criminal dramas but rather something that may appeal to the highest common denominator or a safe bet in enduring some level of success.
I'm English, I'm used to 7-10 episode series, 21 is a little mad for a series of this quality for me.
I had the exact same issues when I saw Boba's "army" (just a handful of people) stading around with big targets on them. I was asking out loud, "Why are they just standing out there? Hide! Or better yet, how about small droids or even just run down to Target and get a few drones!".
As for his strategy of staying in town, I also agree. When he mentioned going back to the palace, I was like, "So they can bomb you from orbit?" LOL
I also thought the Tuskans were a missed opportunity. I thought for sure, the whole build up with him and the sand people was to have them flood in and overrun the Pikes. But, nope. That whole thing was just to give a reason why Boba wasn't bloodthirsty anymore and why he wants to settle down and have a "tribe" and also so he can kill the main bad guy with a gaffi stick. ugh
And not even keeping watch? Din and Boba were just chilling and waiting for news instead of being vigilant. So lame. I disagree with posting Fennec in the tower. I would have had the tower as his base and KEEP WATCH! LOL Not sit back and have a latte while waiting to die.
I disagree with the Mandalorians needing armor because they have honor. They need armor because they have bad battle tactics. In his own series, Din stuck to the walls when he could and used cover. Since he got stuck in Boba Fett's series, he was forced to use the same tactics that idiot used. "Stand there and use brute force". Kinda like when he tried to tackle a wookiee in his underwear. LOL
I kept wondering why they were getting sniped off by the three or four guys on roofs when they have beskar armor and jet packs.
The wookiee's entrance was supposed to show us how badass he was, but it was just comical. He's apparently blaster proof because he was shot multiple times and was still able to drag a handfull of people with him and when he through the one guy and shot him in the air, you could almost see him suspended by wires until he was shot. It was like he through the guy through a section with no gravity. LOL
You didn't mention how, in no scenes of the palace, do you see a town in the background. That means, the palace it probably a mile or two outside town. I'll grant that distance being covered in a minute by jet pack, but Boba left and returned with the rancor within 2 minutes. He had to get back, go inside, saddle-up the rancor and ride it back. I loved the scenes with teh rancor in action (except for the involuntary eye-roll at the King King scene), but if they wanted to use the rancor, they should have shown Boba smuggle it into the building at night. Plus, why was the rancor scared of a little fire? Compared to it, it was like someone using a lighter and hairspray except the rancor has no hair or clothes to burn. It's not particularly flammable since Din filled it's mouth with fire and it didn't seem to hurt it and didn't cause a panic.
This was very poorly done. It was a mediocre series and a mediocre ending. Boba Fett deserved much better after that build up.
I feel as they could've drawn out Boba's time with the Tuskens and made this entire season about that how he gained their trust through combating the rogues of the Hutts and different groups of bandits on Tatooine. Then for season 2 made it all about the Pykes and Cad Bane. And as a final season Boba gets in one last battle with the Hutts over full control of Tatooine
I agree with you there. If Book of Boba would have two seasons, I could Imagine this route being the direction
I personally liked the fight between Boba and Bane, just like i liked the end fight between Maul and Kenobi
Maul kenobi was excellent
Wish we could have gotten an episode or two of Cad Bane taunting Boba before the finale
My biggest annoyance in this episode was why wasn't Din throwing his grenades?! A well tossed bomb could have wiped out at least a handful.
Wished that Din Djarin’s Amban disruptor rifle survived Gideon’s fire. That would’ve been beneficial in the battle
I'm pretty sure that the only Mandalorian who ever knew anything about strategy and tactics was Cassus Fett. He would be severely disappointed in his descendant
You know what's the best weapon to counter shields? Ion cannons, which were installed on the Slave One.
It felt like that episode of Filthy Frank in where Real Frank gathers all of his friends to defeat Chin Chin and Fake Frank
I did not care for the Mod kids but that spin move was the icing on the "sheet" cake
I really liked them but I honestly thought their modifications would of help in an immediate fight not just be there for no reason. Honestly thought we would see Rainbow six siege type of fighters.
@@tankofreality4550 yeah that would've been cool
Agree, 100% with your analysis, we’re both spoiled by smart war movies like band of brothers and squad games like X-com.
Hehe maybe
I saw staying in sanctuary as the star wars version of fighting at helm's deep. They can only come at you from one way and can't surround you. Then again the fight at helm's deep was fought with swords and arrows. Also a bombed out cantina is the place where season 1 of the mandolorian ended. Almost like they had a set pre built?
All the Pykes had to do is fire one missile into the building and job done, lol:) When the transport from Freetown showed up launch a missile or a grenade at that to and job done, all your enemy are dead:)
This entire season was reminiscent of LoTR. The mithril shirt, the mines that Din has to go to (Mines of Moria or the Lone Mountain), then this fight scene. The show wasn't all that original and rode on nostalgia and the flashbacks. The flashbacks were incredible.
@@jrev2284 It also seemed to rip set pieces from classic movies. The Rancor doing it's King Kong act from the tower and the Sand People taking out the train was very Lawrence of Arabia. The writers really didn't seem to know what to do.
The l guy stole your comment and got more likes.
Honestly wish it was more of a bounty hunting show instead of a base builder
That Mod Guys spin sh** was something straight out of power rangers. Sure I could move over there with a simple quick motion but no I need to do a bunch of unnecessary flips and sh**.
Spot on Alan and well said. But my two pre teen sons enjoyed every moment of the battle, so I think overall it did what Star Wars does best - great adventure stories for kids that grown ups enjoy too.
This finale would have made more sense happening in a much, much smaller location. Mos Espa is HUGE compared to most Star Wars TV locations. If you’re going to fight for it, you need lots of soldiers and ships, not just a couple foot soldiers in a couple alleys. Fett could have done more damage in his ship by himself than with all his troops combined.
Well, i love the aesthetics of robert rodrigez works, but his action was always over the top and campy, so i wasn't surprised. Strategically though, that was a sheetstorm from moment one. No air support, your already small force is spread out in a maze with civillians in the middle. No fortifications, no overwatch of anykind. poor use of available assets... and then they start fighting. I was honestly disapointed about how they handled the jetpacks, they could fly between the buildings popping in and out of cover to shoot, but nop, let's stay in this one open area right here... i could keep going
This battle was really a joke, but awesome video man, keep it up.
You spartans have a legendary bless day and God.
You hit my own criticisms note for note.
They used many of the right pieces, but played them poorly.
The Book of Boba Fett could have really used a military advisor. Now I know that we are not really talking about military units, but common, even the most basic things like cover are missing here. How can two elite bounty hunters not know basic tactics? This is typical Hollywood flash with the the planning of a kid playing with action figures. The level of incompetence all around breaks the immersion and enjoyment of what could have been a great series. Disney needs to stop filming to the lowest common denominator. Make intelligent movies not flashy ones.
Here here!
Yes!!! Thank you
Completely agree, the actors are mostly good but the story is like aimed at children with how unbelievable it is. I can really imagine Temuera selling a realistic gritty military role as boba
@@rhysnichols8608 I honestly thought the Mods were Rainbow six siege inspired urban fighters im sad im wrong.
The battle scenes were completely unrealistic. Mandalorian armor doesn’t cover every part of the wearer. However, they never got hit from their legs or feet. No one used granede in close combat situations. The big animal was completely laser proof. So, skin and bones are laser proof. It go hit from high caliber laser cannon but nothing happened. Than Cad bane scared it with his cigarette ligher. Cad bane waited until the end of the war. You hire the most expensive mercenary in the universe and he appears after losing the combat.
That big robots had range advantage however they choose the get closer to their enemies.
Resistance point of the town folk and young bikers had a unbreakable great war.
They just take cover behind a basic wall and that wall resisted againts everything. As i understand stone and bricks are also laser proof.
Dont get me wrong, i like the show but war scenes were below cartoon standarts. Pyke soldiers are also wear armor but that armor provides zero protection. Pyke soldiers were just running around not taking covers and just jump in front of the laser guns. They missed their every shot. The big robots missed everything. On the other hand good guys almost never missed.
I'm starting to feel that the 6-7 episode seasons that Disney+ seem to love just do not work. They don't give enough time for a decent story to unfold whereas the old format of a season lasting 20+ episodes always did. Sure, those longer seasons had filler episodes but at least they always told a complete, coherent story. These shorter seasons seem to swing between a story that isn't even long enough to cover 6 episodes and are stilled filled with filler, or in the opposite direction such as with The Book of Boba Fett, the story needed at a minimum 10 episodes to breath and get everything in. Having a finale which was pretty much just a big battle felt boring almost and certainly unsatisfying.
Finally, someone says it!
You'd complain about that too.
While I agree that 7 episodes is not enough, IO don't think that they need to go back to the 20+ episode formate either. I think that around 10 - 13 is ideal. Enough episodes to take your time to really flesh out the story without having to hurry to wrap things up in the end, but short enough that you don't need filler episodes to pad out the episode co8unt. Plus, not having filler episodes means that tehy don't have to skimp on the effects to save money, it gives the effects team the time and money to do one or two more passes on their renders to get things to look as good as they can.
It's not just Disney that makes short seasons. It's industry standard now
@@Riceball01 I completely agree:) I wasn't stating I want the old system back, rather making an observation that the drastic cut from 20+ to 6-7 episodes a season seems to be taking writers in Hollywood a while to get used to. Some take to it well and others do not. Game of Thrones showed us that a series with each season being ten, one hour episodes worked really well. It also showed us that suddenly cutting the amount of episodes in a season, as season 7 did from 10 to 7 and season 8 did from 10 to 6, drastically reduced the quality of the series.
So Boba at one point states he doesn't want the people of the city to suffer and yet decides to bring in a Rancor and demolish buildings one at a time? Talking of which did anyone else get Game of Thrones vibes when Boba manages to jet off to his palace and then ride the Rancor back to the city in a few minutes, lol?
As Alan says the Mando's starfighter or even Boba's Slave 1 would have had much more precise weapons as long as they didn't use torpedo's or bombs. I think holding out at the palace would have been a better move though than making a stand in the middle of the city if he wanted to protect it. Boba knew that the Pyke Syndicate would come for him wherever he was so pulling them from Mos Espa protects it. Leave a few people in the city to make raids or throw bombs into Pyke buildings to keep them guessing, but the palace has defences and most of all two starfighters. Out in the desert they could of gone to town on anything the Pykes brought out there to attack Boba.
He truly has become a super hero
Critically, it lacked. However, it was one of the few shows Disney has released that wasn't a political statement, so it was fun for the family.
@Mike hawk long where is the politics?
@Mike hawk long I'm not referring to geopolitics. It's the insufferable tirade of virtue signaling within identity politics that I was hinting at, but I digress.
Largely agenda free, but the portrayal of multi racial gang bangers as cool and misunderstood is pretty woke.
@@rhysnichols8608 I didn't pick up on that, but I could see how some might. Thanks for adding value to the conversation.
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You’re quite welcome young man. There’s always a subtle agenda. ‘Edgy Gangs are just misunderstood’ was what I picked up on. Oh and experienced traditional ‘hero’ move over for woke teens
Why they'd make Boba come back on a baby Reincor (or however you spell it), and not in Slave 1, blows my mind. And when they landed in the middle of the street after using their jet packs instead of on a roof top drove me nuts as well. Very poor use of equipment, they all should have and deserved to die in this battle.
Yea those are the biggest two critiques i have for this battle. He got his ship back and barely even used it.
Probably cause the rancor fight looked cooler
I agree, poor tactics was my biggest issue with the battle. Overall i still liked it .
Im just happy i got to see boba and a rancor just going full smash mode...
i must say that the book of boba was overall more on the underwhelming side of the spectrum
Only Mando was really into that death pact… easily my favorite ideological exchange in the entire show… and I don’t think it’s a mistake or necessarily lazy writing to tie these characters fates together so closely.
Din Djarin almost feels like a super naive Mormon kid standing next to Boba Fett. His near blind faith in the Mandalorian creed and subsequent excommunication from the Children of the Watch runs in stark contrast to Boba Fett’s journey through the deserts of Tatooine to find faith and family.
Din’s relationship with the Armorer is straight toxic, and it’s poison to the notion of settling on any common ground with either Paz or to a lesser extent Bo-Katan and whatever’s left of the Nite Owls. Paradoxically Din is probably the only only Mandalorian who would accept Boba Fett as a Mandalorian. It’s maybe debatable whether Boba is actually the son of Jango, but regardless of the complexities/simplicity of their biological relationship Boba is treated as any other Mandalorian child or “foundling” by Jango and that’s likely good enough for Din who was originally a foundling and now has a tribe of two with his own foundling.
Why didnt Boba get slave 1? Was it destroyed at some point in the series? Slave 1 would have given air superiority in conjunction with the Naboo fighter. I think the battle was really a result of budget, covid restriction for shooting and some weird requirement that it be Disney plus friendly. The fighting felt very Disney.
His logic for not getting it at the beginning was to stay to defend the town but why he got the rancor over slave 1. Probably for the audience to be awed and not to make sense
Probably for visuals. Slave 1 just gunning down the droids would have been a bit underwhelming to watch
@@captainswagger2838 other commenter already on it
I can imagine an in aired scene where Fett is sitting in his personal bedroom, office, etc. Feet kicked up checking off a wishlist of things he's ALWAYS liked, wanted to settle or do... "Escape Sarlac... Check, square things with Solo.. check, start to take over Jabbas old Empire... Check.... Build own personal Army... Check and check...."
Everyone talking about the grenade roll needs to remember that they had scenes where the shield was pushed against in a way that should have been slow enough for a detonator to roll through, but nothing got through, so these are clearly stronger shields or a layer of shields which may explain why when the coverage was not complete there was still a red under shield Din Jaron had to push through to get to the droid itself.
Ya I don't know what those shields were but they weren't your standard ones, and they showed that with Krrsantan trying to shove his hand through.
@@joshuamyers2426 They have the equivalent of star fighter shields basically invulnerable to everything in this case since it was 2 different shield types with the only thing able to go through being the lasers from the droid itself because of the wavelength? Or some energy wavelength of the bolt itself being the only thing allowed through the energy shield it's explained better in the newest book about droids in starwars
@@imoonset2682 ok, thanks I will have to check it out
@@joshuamyers2426 along with the fact that these droids were ever mass produced because they were so ungodly expensive. But they were incredibly effective to the point of the shields of a single droid withstanding 10+ AT-TE continuous main gun hits with over 500+ clone troopers shooting at it too. And that single droid destroyed and killed all those clones and AT-TE's. The only weakness this shield had was getting overloaded from debris and heavy kinetic slamming on the shields like from a rancor or an entire building collapsing on top of the shield
@@imoonset2682 damn thats a shield if I've ever seen one.
WOW you are not only excellent at commentary, but you are an exceptional and astute strategist. EVERYTHING you said made complete sense!!!
Even though I love Star Wars that is a continual problem... the fact that they don't deploy strategic battles to reduce some of the casualties and destruction. You're my FAVORITE TH-camr when it comes to any analysis and do a remarkable job...KUDOS.
I loved the episode imo
When they were all huddled behind the tank I got flashbacks to battlefront 2. All it takes is one thermal detonator😂
I find it funny you bring up mandos starfighter, but instead of coming back with the rancor, why didn't he just get slave-1?
Cause it wouldn’t have looked as cool
When Napoleon saw his commanders defense plan which had his army spread thin across the entire french border, his comment to his general was, "What are you defending against, Smuggling??"
Napoleonic warfare with concentrated armies of tens of thousands with primary weapons that fired 3 shots a minute cannot be compared to a space fantasy gang shootout with advanced laser weapons you silly sod.
Spreading troops across an entire nations boarder is exponentially harder than doing the same in a town. Silly comment
This show was such an underwhelming mess. It tried to be 3-5 different things and didnt do any of those quite right.
Excellent review. As much as I enjoyed the finale the battle tactics was lacking. They kept clustering together. I was like spread out
Honestly, I know it was probably because they set it up as an important location in the city. But instead of the Sanctuary, they should have made their stand at city hall.
Probably has defenses. Fenic could probably neutralize any back doors in the security system the Mayor or the Pikes had.
Plus it's in an open area, it would have forced the Pikes to fight without cover while Fett's army would have had essentially a fortress in the center of the city.
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Just to play devils advocate a bit, the people of free town staying close together kinda makes sense, they are small town people that have at most fought tusken raiders,
I wouldn't expect them to know guerrilla tactics and they are leaderless with out Cobb Vanth to guide them.
and on that note none of the main cast really do larger scale tactics, boba, din djarin and fennec shand are all solo acts for the most part. If cara dune or bo-katan had been leading them like she did with the the light cruiser assault and it still went this way then i would be annoyed at experienced solders being this dumb.
Solo fighters, more than anyone, should know the benefits of mobility in combat (they rely upon it even more than groups do). Yet they mostly just stay still and make themselves targets.
Further more, the whole 'let's protect mos espa' thing was just stupid. They put the town at risk by choosing to fight a pitched battle right in the middle of it. Never even mind the damage likely done by the rancour.
Whoever directed this never know how to fight in a war.
I love how even tho boba was out there too like every other episode din just takes allll the shots like a damn tank😂😂😭
If they just asked for an adequate number of episodes to tell a fully fleshed out story maybe we wouldn't have these pacing and narrative oversights.
Agreed!!
Maybe because the Mandalorians prefer direct warfare rather than guerrilla warfare? After all, they highly valued honors.
Just one question, and yes it is nitpicking. How do we know the N1 is loaded with torpedoes? I’m not convinced that they had the ability to acquire them. Even so, your point about the blasters is spot on.
Yeah, it may have the capacity to launch the Torpedo's, but we don't actually see them loaded during the rebuild.
God who tf cares the N1 has them
@@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter I did say I was nitpicking.
@@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter Mando admits that it's not quite an N1 anymore
When Mando and Boba get repeatedly shot and their on the floor or on their knees confused me because flashback to Mando season 2 Mando was repeatedly shot by stormtroopers and he just took it. Beskar is just plot convince I swear, only works the way it should when it needs to.
Was I the only one perplexed at the emphasis on needing the people of freetown?
Isn't one mandalorian with a jet pack more of a significant presence on the battlefield then all of the people in freetown combined?
Numbers win wars not one guy.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 true, but there wasn't that many people coming from freetown. I'd understand if it was like 100.
@@xxxburke I think you are over estimating mandos worth here. The citizens are shown to be quite decently skilled , once mando has to fight more than 3 people spread out he gets overwhelmed quite fast unless he has a plan.
It's emphasized only because it's part of boba fetts new belief of needing a "tribe". Like he had with the tuscans. But they only needed safety in numbers because of their lack of skill and weaponry. Boba fett could have realistically taken on the entire syndicate force with the slave 1.
THANK YOU! glad someone said it.
I think the battle was good and a ton of bad. Freetown guys get a indestructible wall, it was nice to see Boba side getting killed then you know they started to not get shot, droids are menacing when they take out an entire squad, I don’t think not a single dude got killed on Boba side since they arrived………….
I love action and a battle like Rogue one which is the best but I don’t like it when it seems like the entire protagonist side get impossible sequences.
I totally said it too... THE HIGH GROUND!
I really enjoyed the battle and last episode. It was unconventional and had some twist, thought it wrapped up the series well
seeing such comment is quite confused me =)
If you like childish fights then good for you
This comes super late, but the silliest thing is how they treat his team like three people. Laughed when I saw all of the modders idling in a big group while Krrsantan stood alone. As if they couldn't split up the modders, and like you said, still have them get around quickly on their bikes to regroup where needed.
The jetpack move was the first thing i thought they should've used in that fight...why carry a jetpack and use it for 15s? Maybe the fuel doesn't last long and they were reserving since the battle could've lasted longer. But we've seen Mandalorians, clone troopers and any other jetpack or jet boots use them more often...i was kinda disappointed but then i thought that battle would've ended very fast if they did that, so the jetpacks had to be "nerfed" to give the enemies some winning chance cause of narrative...anywho I liked the finale, it has it's flaws(many) and am glad Luke was not in it cause that would've been like bringing Thanos to a Black Widow movie...
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Good points. I would also add that they had clearly decided who would live and who would die, and it was painfully obvious: The Scorponek droids rarely hitting their target, almost every shot at Boba, Mando, and Black Krrsantan missing, and the way people stood around at crucial moments or had dialogue and were fine. The stakes were all wonky.
Din dropped the dark saber, you don't see him with it after.
There is also a goof with the second Droid. It has its right cannon arm just before the rancor finishes it off
I saw the droid thing, I doubt that they'll make Din lose the Darksaber though
@@jrev2284 no. The dropping of the dark saber happened separately from the goof with the second droid
You don't see the dark saber after din saves grogu
I agree, they could have gotten some Tusken Raiders or at the very least Bo Katan since they helped her take her capital ship.
The High Ground, its why i had stairs in my throne room.
RIP Piggies they had it... but not for long
Fett and Mando had starships.. they could have had air support at the palace....
Fire and Maneuver. This is the way.
This season is a hot mess. Doomcock mentioned that there was a lot of drama going on in the production. It shows.
Is really unfortunate because I can tell there's a decent story here, but was messed up for whatever reason.
Anyways, I now identify as Rancor, really the only character with any sense in this.
Good analysis, but one big point was the en-mass retreat from the droid tanks. They run, as a large group, right down the middle of the longest, straightest street they can find. With huge blasters at your back, the first move would be to scatter- down every available side street, rooftop, stairwell... anything that would offer a chance of cover! Unless stormtroopers were at the firing controls, those droids would have gunned them all down within seconds of their heroic running-away marathon.
I disagree with the premise, Boba was operating under the assumption the crime families would stay neutral so intelligence of the Pikes was top priority and therefore a task all assets should help with.
I will agree once the Freetown Fighters arrive they should have spread out, though they would be poor urban fighters so moving isn’t ideal.
I will say the last episode was satisfactory to me. Wasn’t great but it wrapped things up so we can move on to the Mandalorian Season 3 (tho Grogu is already reunited, and the N1 so that’s a sucky start if just looking at the series as a stand-alone)
the most foolish thing of all.. bro was so fucking naive.. he counted on 3 crime families not turning on him on account of what.. their word.. LOL
I agree with all of it!
Except the self preservation part. In Chicago we shoot like we don't give a frack.
N-1 Starfighters don't have very good air to ground capabilities, but you know what does? The Slave 1.
I did a double take on the mod kid doing yhe spin just to shoot 🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone else think that in these last few episodes (the finale episode is the worst of it) Grogu oddly looks a little "faker" (for lack of a better term) and he's now walking more like a puppet, similar to how Yoda was in the original trilogy. In the first 2 seasons of the Mandalorian they used cgi to make him walk pretty smoothly and believably, but it seems like in TBOBF his movements are choppy and kind of jarring. It takes me out of the moment while watching the show because it's just so obviously choppy and unpolished. I'm kind of surprised that production quality seems somewhat lower then in The Mandalorian. It's a bit disappointing really.
I think one reason is because they're showing him walking more, in the other seasons they would cut to Mando then cut back to Grogu, they didn't have to show how he kept up
@@mikehurt3290 bro grogu felt like a puppet the ENTIRE time to me.. especially when he was jumping with luke..
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Din going all death pact makes sense because he's assuming he won't be seeing Grogu again. This battle pretty much sucked though, you right lol
Yea but he’s too eager for death pacts
It is absolutely dumb but kinda glad they went there. Makes Grogu flying into his arms a bit more wholesome.
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I watched quite a few different people go over this episode and this is the onlyyy person to point out the mods 360 no scope kill. I had to pause the show for a few minutes to calm my laughter down at that scene.
There are so many problems with this series, from the combat, to the motivations, to the character dynamics. It should have spent another year in the oven to work everything out.
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Disney basically seems to be taking pages out of D and D's book like in Game of Thrones. Who cares if strategically what you do makes no sense, as long as it looks cool who cares...
Dude I hate that honestly. It doesn't even require a advisor or a class to think if these tactics are good ideas it just takes 10 minutes to think "wait no that's dumb"
@@tankofreality4550 I'm aware, that's what I'm saying, the battle of Winterfeel drove me insane because of how dumb the tactics used were.
I hope the writing gets better, less flashy more realistic
Love the scene where one of the droids has their arm in one scene but it’s gone in the next, after having it be ripped off before hand.
Those MODS have got to go. More like Mos Vespa.😆
But I like them! It's there first battle they shall learn
@@tankofreality4550 someone needs to teach them to stop doing 360 turns before shooting, arm them better blasters than small pistols, and to actually run and not do a weird jog when retreating from a unstoppable foe
I personally think a series of boba fett sneaking up and picking people off like in mando would have shown him a lot better than the whole city shootout
while i do agree that they could have just taken the high ground the whole fight, last time i checked jetpacks run on fuel so even if they wanted to sooner or later, they're gonna run out of juice then it's back to square 1
At most in cannon it's 10 minutes. Not to mention Boba had plenty of credits so he could of easily outfitted themselves with better versions. In urban conflict all you need is 10 minutes to break enemy lines and advance sadly they weren't thinking longterm.
They could have easily flown to the roof of the sanctuary and stayed there at least until the droids showed up.