I added some details in the description. Thanks for watching and I hope you had fun! edit: The way the comparison was carried out heavily favors AOE operators. This was an arbitrary decision on my part, motivated by the conditions of many powerful operators' skills (Mlynar S3 hits 5 enemies, Degen S3 can hit 6, Logos S3 can hit 4, Gavial Alter S3 can hit 5 if blocked, etc.). Different kinds of comparisons are possible and could be made if there's interest. Be mindful that DPS ranking is NOT a meta tier list.
@@smallphi that made things absolutely confusing and just made make chart mean nothing. 1] Why 5 enemies? Any spesific reason for that? 2] Why assume avarage def and res instead of pure DPS and Total damage ratio for a much better list? 3] Characters like Fiametta and Ifrit being at top legitimately makes no sense, their individual DPS is very low while an operator like Ray has massive individual DPS. Id be happy if you made one where its actual pure numbers against single target as currently this list is straight up confusing people.
@@kyarumomochi5146 1) As I said, it was an arbitrary decision. I could have chosen 3, 4, 7. 5 seemed good because there are strong operators that excel at that number. 2) Pure DPS without factoring DEF and RES would also be open to criticism. Some popular operators' kit with built-in def/res penetration (e.g., Degen, Surtr) would be ignored. 3) I mean, that's the whole point of being an AOE operator, right? AOE operators are good against many enemies, single target operators are good against single enemies. How can you say that a single target comparison is better or more fair than a multi target one? I can still make a single target DPS ranking, like I said. It's not that I can make only one video (though, admittedly, I'm a little burnt out at the moment).
@@kyarumomochi5146 Res is % based so it's meaningless, while physical Dps is based on defense matching. In any case strong units like FIA or Chon have % skill so they rely on buffs to unleash their full potential, like a suzu Chubia is in a different league from with Thorns even though he's better as a stand alone. POINT BEING its a strategy game you need a half dozen graphics to make any kind of meaningful comparison.
@@smallphi 1) and 3) yes thats what aoe is but the important issue here is that dealing aoe damage *doesn't mean* you do more damage. You still deal the same dps per enemy, this is why DPSes are assumed against single target as otherwise it would be completely inconsistent. It doesnt make sense for operators like Ifrit dusk or even suzuran s2 to be on that list, they dont deal more damage, they deal more total damage divided against more targets wich still ammounts to same damage. 2) Thats why i said total damage and dps, tachanka has massive dps but extremely low dph and total damage, i think a chart showing those values would been significantly better. Also i really wouldnt use viktorlabs as the absolute source, it has TONS of issues and hardly gets properly updated anymore but i see how it makes things easier. Sorry if it came off as me being too harsh, i can tell you didnt want this to have issues like this but i think having a more universal aproach is better. Its universally agreed to factor total damage and dps against a single enemy as it gives the most proper results. Also i have a question about the avarage def and res of enemies. Does it assume boss enemies and stuff too?
@@5chneemensch138Will be interesting to see what happened once the main story catches up to that specific year, since if i remember correctly Global for Chapter 13 is still in the year 1097 or 1098.
@@kyarumomochi5146beginning statement no 1. This is for entertainment purposes only. 3. Damage calculated over 5 enemies having mean def and res of all bosses available at any given time. No shit it's going to be biased to multi target, anyone above the age of 5 who are literate can understand this from the first few seconds of the video
People are complaining about bias but it would be hard to make a chart with everyone without having bias towards one direction or another, ideally it would be better to have different charts set at different conditions to and then evaluate it contextually (which seems to be the idea from what OP said, if there is enough interest). One chart alone is fated to be imperfect regardless of what you do.
It is true that one chart would always be imperfect, but some charts are more imperfect than others. For instance, choosing to always have 5 enemies being attacked, or choosing to use average DPS.
If you are making only one chart, Then do single target dps Average cycle dps and Put in () if its a single target dps, a multi target one, and also if its a sustained dps, on skill dps or Nuke dps. The one he did is Just useless, 5 immortal targets all the time is the furthest thing from the actual game, also we dont know anything about how is the DPS calculated (just skill uptime? total avg dps? still, talking about "dps" for Nuke skills is extremely stupid, they may take 1 second or 3 seconds, what matters is the total damage of them)
@@peterdenov4898 you are thinking of maximum potential DPS, I.E all ideal conditions met with no DEF or RES. In actuality DPS varies according to enemy stats which is why the graph shows variation, since average stats for enemies did increase over time.
@@-Seaheart- thing is that the DPS isnt going to shift as much as the graph shows, as its a "race" that adjusts things constantly from one start to the end point, but thats inaccurate because it should truthfully be in spikes. None of that matters tho
Very cool graph for its parameters, shows why stuff like having a sweet spot for fiammetta matters. But yeah maybe specifying that it’s specifically AOE in the title for newer players might be better(first few seconds notwithstanding we know people don’t read). Ray not even showing up in the top ten in a video about “DPS” is kinda funny
If anything, this shows that the power creep is very stable and slow and Walter (also Surtr) is way too overtuned Its notable that Ifrit stuck around for most of the time
I can't believe I was mesmerized throughout the entire thing. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing (in whatever format is easiest) an overview of how the mean DEF/RES of bosses changed over the years. I have to imagine the introduction of Surtr forced an increase in boss RES...
Maaan, not seeing Silverash and Eyja in the charts by the second half of the video makes me feel... old... Haven't played the game in a REALLY long time and at the end of the video, Surt's the only one I know left in the chart. I still don't have the motivation to get back because I'm too lazy to learn all the new stuff in the game. 😅😅
I like how surtr just came up and hupergrph knew they made a mistake so they made everyone else after her stronger, she was the beginning of the dps check era. I'm still surtrless
And after the gamedev fix everything and make Surtr less oversatured .... They add Walter ... Even if you are Surtrless, you will not Walterless as well ...
Can you do this same video but calculating DPS of attacking 1 enemy? It would be really helpful to see how operators perform under high-def vs high-res enemies. This kind of calculation only really makes sense for seeing which operator is good at clearing trees in Reclamation Algorithm.
2:45 Nooooo ... Silverdaddy ... 😭😭😭 8:02 Dokutah: If you ever fight Walter, can you win ? Surtr: She's definitely strong, I surely am gonna have a hard time Dokutah: But would you lose ? Surtr: Nah, I'd win Also Surtr: 8:03
I think Ifrit is a character that has great design. She’s powerful, but has clear weakness in her range if you want to fully utilize her max potential. I had a lot of fun finding a place to put her back in the days. Operators like Walter is not only fcking crazy in damage, but has giga range and unfair survivability kit. It’s a gacha game so it’s understandable, especially for those that just want to clear stages braindead.
Ahh, the "Ifrit lanes" ... Pretty nostalgic since strong operator nowadays is either have wide range or has zero range (1 tile) so placement doesn't really matter ...
although it does show how some meta characters (Surtr, Logos, Wisadel, Mlynar, etc.) are crazy good, it doesn't account for other meta options that lack AoE Typhon, Ray, Goldenglow, Ash on release, etc. are really good meta options currently/meta during their time, they just lack AoE which got them knocked off the radar of the chart Supports that broke the healing meta (Shu, Eyja alter, Lumen, Skalter) or utility options (Bagpipe and Sailech) didn't even make it. You can even count Kal'tsit and Reedalter in this chategory cus the game calls them "Medics" I even noticed some weird skills coming up (Thorns S2, Ifrit S1 most notably) when you never see these skills ever come up in an actual clear. I'm honestly also mildy surprised by how Gavial was able to compete with Surtr, which was kinda funny cus nobody would ever realistically say Gavial can match Surtr's power
I know the disclaimer at the beginning of the video say to not take the video seriously. But I have already seem comments saying this is a good way to know which ops to raise...Please NO, Don't use this video as a reference to know which ops do more DPS. It's clearly taking into account the DPS an operator can do to several enemies. The video doesn't take into account vital things about ops and some hard hitting ops like Typhoon and Ray don't even show since they are more of Single target DPS ops. Please if you care about your account don't raise ops by looking at this video.
i mean im at lvl 110 rn and has prioritized every single top 10 dps in this list throughout the years, arknights really is a game that favor tower offense instead of defense so its really not bad idea to raise at least top 3 of this list
@@megugao I am 120 and have raised almost all ops 6* with module lvl3....what's your point? Believe me having fiammeta or not having her doesn't make any impact in your account despite her being in the top almost half of the video. This video is literally one bubble that shouldn't be taken seriously (As the guy that made the same video said) by anyone. Even less for newbies that don't know which ops will impact their account more positively and could think this is a good way to know.
@@doktahsnotes3436 in reality none of the operators in that top 10 are bad, they're actually all really solid. Prioritizing Fiametta, Gavialter, ExeAlter over something like Thorns, Typhon, Saria or whatever just makes absolutely no sense at all. And DPS is not all that matters, I'd rather have one Saria built than Fiametta/Gavialter/ExeAlter combined. To be completely honest, if someone wiped all the progress from my account and left me with only the units at level 1 and I had to do it all over again, I would probably just E2 Thorns and Myrtle or something since that's basically all you need for 90% of the game, and then do all the Base operators before touching anything else. So if any new player is reading all this shit, that would be my recommendation. Please don't ignore your base, the better you set up your base the faster you can level other operators, and a lot of the good base ops are also really really good in general gameplay.
To be fair, Having Surtr be the main 6* you raise while going with lower star ops for ordinary content will take you pretty far. Mlynar is good mostly because of wave clear, but if you need something VERY dead, Surtr will get you there for the most part, especially with a little Warfrin backup.
I've no idea why people are trying to frame this as some gospel truth of damage. It's a fun graph that highlights how crazy theoretical damage for characters can be, and how much it changed over time. Way too big a portion of the Arknights community is lame as hell.
Cool video! Would love to see one that favors ST ops as well! Crazy to see how Surtr shattered the rankings, and then Wiš'adel came along and completely shattered them again.
Very interesting video, i was deliberating on making a static form this for curiosity`s sake. If you are inclined, would you consider making a "30s total damage on single target vs 0 DEF/RES" graph? I think it would really showcase the growth of the damage ceiling of the game.
Keep in mind that dps is always calculated under "optimal" conditions, so in the case of Gavial S3 we assume that she is blocking 5 enemies. Whether this is feasible under normal circumstances is another question. Surtr is a plug-and-play operator that is literally immortal for 8-9 seconds without requiring help from the team. She's easier to work with regardless of damage, hence why dps ranking should not be considered a meta tier list.
Surtr just seems to be the most consistent boss killer in the game with how she can't die until her skill duration runs out. I missed the Ling banner myself and would appreciate any opportunity to get her again.
Interesting video, Just a small criticism, I think if you're going to use 5 as the number of targets being hit. Probably should've used the avg def/res of an elite rather than a boss. It's pretty rare for there to be more than 1 or maybe 2 boss enemies in a stage, but you could have 5 elite enemies. So the dps situation that's being shown in this basically never exists in game. It's much more reasonable to see hitting 5 elites, or hitting 1 boss.
Hey I read the description and am probably missing something but why do the numbers fluctuate, If the calculations for the damage done by the operators is predetermined? Is it because as more enemies are added the average def and res changes? Also would love to see a similar video but instead with usage rate I think that’d be rly cool. Thanks for the vid, it was a trip down nostalgia lane,.
wow, fiametta has been pretty damn high on the list for a good while even when mlynar is out, and is somehow way higher than yato and chongyue!! surely she's a strong dps that doesn't completely crumble by herself or against anything with relatively higher def! (i know its all for fun but i didn't even expect fiametta to even appear on there, let alone thriving when wisadel was dominating everyone. but then ig it IS against 5 whole enemies
So FIA has 2 great traits % multipliers and a healthy self buff, like no support vs Skalter in the SQUARE is like 2k vs 3k, she's outing Chong in the right spot by a good margin.
@@absolutelypallets7378 yeah to be fair the vid is about non buff characters so having a self buff makes their dmg stronger too just as you said FIA have good self buff and so is surt having 20 pen. at first im also shock how she is high for quite some time despite her S3 not deal good dmg unless its right in the middle. but if you make it so that the enemies stay in place especially on the middle of the S3 the chart is quite accurate. sadly reality is quite different atleast for some of the ops in the vid. some of the top char in the vid like FIA does not feel that strong as dps compared to others that are not listed on the top
It's because this is calculated vs 5 enemies with pretty decent def/res. Since Ifrit shreds res and does great in AOE situations, her damage going to look a lot more powerful here. It's impossible to come up with a single DPS metric that doesn't disproportionate favor some operators, and it just so happens that Ifrit is favored by this metric. Although you could argue that her debuffs bring far more team DPS that are not being reflected here.
arknights fans are so negative and can't just enjoy some entertainment just a harmeless video but some are just filled with rage because their favorite Op isn't shown instead of seething at videos like this they should be directing that anger at the content thieves that just reupload bilibili animations
skalter really changes/buffs operators without + signs on their skills damage like eyja s2, bagpipe s2, almost all ray skills, and chen like guards including degen
Cuz based on his formula of DPS, degen need 10s normal attacks before she can activate the skill, which only lasts for ~4 seconds so the number is small: (skill total dmg + 10s normal attack dmg) divided by ~14
Tbh, I think it is fucking dope that Ifrit stayed on the chart as long as she did, just proves why she is the only 6 star of her archetype. Also, I love the fact that Dusk was up there as much as she was. She was my first limited operator, and is still my only of the Sui Siblings, so my love for her, although I like Shu more, is undeniable. I mean, Dusk has been a staple on my team since 2021, when I got her...
As weird as it sounds, ifrit s3 has a way more prevalent place in the meta now than chalter. There's so many replacements for Chalter, and her damage isn't even top tier anymore compared to mylnar wisadel and FedEx. Ifrit gives 40% res shred with 100% uptime. That's *ridiculous* and against an enemy with 70 res it is about 100% fragile (doubles all arts damage dealt). More than double suzuran damage amplification with 100% uptime.
Wisadel and Logos is about to become my favourite banner ever released in this game. Both of them characters I absolutely love and not to mention lowkey broken.
Cool video, man, it's a pleasure to see this kind of content, also remembering all this stuff from the start was really inspirational on a side note, I'm really surprised how a lot of people were offended that this way of dps calculation didnt favour their favourite ops, this amount of copium is insane
This should be way more upvoted. AK is one of those games stages, enemies stats, number of enemies and other things can mean an operator overlooked might be busted in a certain stage and conditions. The conditions OP put are a great comparison condition imo. And when/if people want to talk about single damage, no, it's not Typhon or their favourite ops that will be on top. If you consider stat bloat, only Schwarz and Ceobe (even more her) have great ways to deal with huge defenses. Those two will age like fine wine for niche conditions.
love this content - you mention calcs favor mt ops, but i do wonder how you determined the number of targets to consider for each chara, esp for true aoe ops like mostima
To determine the number of targets I either used keywords in the operators descriptions (e.g. "all enemies", "AOE Arts damage", etc.) or the skills/talents/traits descriptions. In general, I always double checked with viktorlab to make sure the number of attacked enemies was correct (until September 2023 anyway). Operators that targeted all enemies then had their "maxTarget" variable set to 999. Since I used only 5 enemies, they simply attacked all 5 enemies. Other operators were handled on a case-by-case basis, depending on what their skills/talents were. For example, Gavial Alter was assumed to be blocking (and therefore attacking) 5 enemies during S3 skill, but attacked only 3 enemies while off-skill. For on-deploy/always active skills, in general I followed viktorlab: if the skill had a positive duration, I considered a normal attack duration equal to the skill duration, otherwise I considered a flat duration of 10s. Of course, special cases were handled accordingly and consistently with viktorlab (for example, Nearl Alter S2 is always active, but the operator is removed after the skill, so the number of attacks was fixed to 0). For Surtr S3, still consistently with vitkorlab, I considered the maximum skill duration possible without healing, which should be around 33s.
@@kyarumomochi5146 I can still do it btw. But then other people would argue that Ebenholz having higher DPS than Mlynar makes no sense, since Mlynar would be at 1/5 of his capacity. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, as they say.
The idea is cool, but I think this shouldn't be done as one. I've done calculation myself in the past, and damage depends really really heavily on the circumstances. They should be done separately for: 1. Single target or multiple target. Once you count multiple targets, the calculation will really favor operators that can damage multiple targets, because it literally multiplies the numbers. 3 targets? 300% multiplier. Even among skills that hit multiple targets, the difference can be huge such as going from 3 targets to 5 is almost double. Then there are true AoE without target limit. While in reality you wouldn't be attacking that many target that often. The enemy positioning and attack area matter so much; specially for true AoE which usually have smaller area or tricky range. Perhaps log scaling should be used to enforce diminishing return? Idk 2. Steady (counting downtime), helidrop (only initial SP), or burst (don't care about any downtime but only about 15s attack window). Each operator has different usage and comparing them as one is just unfair. 3. DEF or RES, high or low. Because really, physical and arts operators are fighting different enemies. Also because DEF matters a lot for physical attacks with high hit count per second (Exu, Ash, Bagpipe, etc). 4. Attack buffs, specially for physical operators in burst window setting, because of how DEF works. Physical operators with high hit count per second benefits so much from this. They can be in separate videos. Though I don't know if there are actually demands for this.
Interesting that Thorns got so high on an AoE focused list, even if only briefly; More so that Omertosa DIDNT, Degen ended so low (is her off-skill dps that much hindrance?), and that Typhon didnt make the list, showing she's blown away by AoE DPS even by Fiametta - Ideally the metrics being done against 2 or 3 enemies, if not just 1, or against 5+ trash enemies (perhaps using DoS mobs as a basis due to their extraordinary stats?)
Once you've raised Mountain, Exusiai, Saria, Eyja, Ifrit, Blaze and Eyja Alter you're pretty much covered for most of AFK strats. Just be on the lookout for Logos next.
Bruh! Newer units already have modules yet Surtr still has none. Lmao! I stopped playing AK more than a year ago and I expected her to have module by now.
if there is still more committent to spend, also make a DPS chart for single target and a chart if they are buffed by the usual buff army, (Warfarin, Suzuran, Skalter, eyja/schwarz) then put em side by side xDDDDDD
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Why does the values slightly change overtime, shouldn't the dps be constant ? For example Surtr is around 7.5k, sometimes it goes higher and sometimes it goes lower, is this something to make the chart more visually appealing to look at, or is there a math reason behind this ? Also nice video, it was very interesting to watch :) (I knew Wisadel was strong but I didn't expected her to destroy the chart like that lol)
Their biggest regret gotta be releasing thorn an surtr indeed Those 2 literaly turn the games to ez mode due to simplycity yet broken ass capability, while you almost bring them in any stage.
Wait a minute, i started to play Arknights again in May 2024, and Virtuosa and Viviana Banner are still there (considering it's a Limited banner), and the banner end in Mid June, is this the data from CN server? Edit 1: nvm, the data is from CN server, no wonder why the date of release is different since CN server is way faster than Global one.
The conditions are extremely strange. 5 enemies? Especially when you don't even consider how AoE Casters may have a harder time hitting all 5 enemies than, say, Mlynar? And did you really consider Average DPS? That's, like... extremely dumb. That also unfairly buffs Surtr who's considered to have 5 seconds off-skill and 43 seconds on-skill. Which is clearly unfair since it doesn't factor in Redeployment Time. Or Yalter because her skills take such low amounts of time
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I added some details in the description. Thanks for watching and I hope you had fun!
edit:
The way the comparison was carried out heavily favors AOE operators. This was an arbitrary decision on my part, motivated by the conditions of many powerful operators' skills (Mlynar S3 hits 5 enemies, Degen S3 can hit 6, Logos S3 can hit 4, Gavial Alter S3 can hit 5 if blocked, etc.). Different kinds of comparisons are possible and could be made if there's interest.
Be mindful that DPS ranking is NOT a meta tier list.
@@smallphi that made things absolutely confusing and just made make chart mean nothing.
1] Why 5 enemies? Any spesific reason for that?
2] Why assume avarage def and res instead of pure DPS and Total damage ratio for a much better list?
3] Characters like Fiametta and Ifrit being at top legitimately makes no sense, their individual DPS is very low while an operator like Ray has massive individual DPS.
Id be happy if you made one where its actual pure numbers against single target as currently this list is straight up confusing people.
@@kyarumomochi5146 1) As I said, it was an arbitrary decision. I could have chosen 3, 4, 7. 5 seemed good because there are strong operators that excel at that number.
2) Pure DPS without factoring DEF and RES would also be open to criticism. Some popular operators' kit with built-in def/res penetration (e.g., Degen, Surtr) would be ignored.
3) I mean, that's the whole point of being an AOE operator, right? AOE operators are good against many enemies, single target operators are good against single enemies. How can you say that a single target comparison is better or more fair than a multi target one?
I can still make a single target DPS ranking, like I said. It's not that I can make only one video (though, admittedly, I'm a little burnt out at the moment).
@@kyarumomochi5146 Res is % based so it's meaningless, while physical Dps is based on defense matching.
In any case strong units like FIA or Chon have % skill so they rely on buffs to unleash their full potential, like a suzu Chubia is in a different league from with Thorns even though he's better as a stand alone.
POINT BEING its a strategy game you need a half dozen graphics to make any kind of meaningful comparison.
@@smallphi 1) and 3) yes thats what aoe is but the important issue here is that dealing aoe damage *doesn't mean* you do more damage. You still deal the same dps per enemy, this is why DPSes are assumed against single target as otherwise it would be completely inconsistent. It doesnt make sense for operators like Ifrit dusk or even suzuran s2 to be on that list, they dont deal more damage, they deal more total damage divided against more targets wich still ammounts to same damage.
2) Thats why i said total damage and dps, tachanka has massive dps but extremely low dph and total damage, i think a chart showing those values would been significantly better. Also i really wouldnt use viktorlabs as the absolute source, it has TONS of issues and hardly gets properly updated anymore but i see how it makes things easier.
Sorry if it came off as me being too harsh, i can tell you didnt want this to have issues like this but i think having a more universal aproach is better. Its universally agreed to factor total damage and dps against a single enemy as it gives the most proper results.
Also i have a question about the avarage def and res of enemies. Does it assume boss enemies and stuff too?
@@smallphi I need to ask, how do you calculate unlimited skill ?
From Just Surtr it to Just Wisadel it
lets wait for surtr alter
@@nexz_ie Beagle Alter is the true endboss an you know it (she is speculated to die at some point).
@@5chneemensch138Will be interesting to see what happened once the main story catches up to that specific year, since if i remember correctly Global for Chapter 13 is still in the year 1097 or 1098.
Just use Red Woman.
Just use Red Woman 2.
Its been just use Mlynar for ages. (before it, just use chalter)
this chart sucks, dps vs 5 enemies is unrealistic and useless
Pretty fascinating. Would love to see this but against 1 enemy.
Aaaaaaaaand
Exusiai+Eyja beating everyone until 4-5 year
@@Mikufan-lb7zu Exu fell hard to DEF inflation. Eyja still op tho
@@Mikufan-lb7zuafter certain DEF threshold even Platinum beats Exusiai.
and only on-skill dps considered
Nice chart, but it's biased towards multi target ops, so typhon and others didn't even appear
Its way too biased towards multi target and doesnt even assume skill dps. Also how does a "chart" even make sense here as their dps is fixed...
yep, hence the "entertainment purposes only" at the start
@@maruftim doesnt mean it cant be criticized tough
@@kyarumomochi5146because the enemy stats increase as time goes on (read the text at the beginning/video description).
@@kyarumomochi5146beginning statement no 1. This is for entertainment purposes only. 3. Damage calculated over 5 enemies having mean def and res of all bosses available at any given time.
No shit it's going to be biased to multi target, anyone above the age of 5 who are literate can understand this from the first few seconds of the video
Wis'adel: I'm taking back what's mine
Surtr: You can't defeat me !
W: yeah I know, but I can
Wisadel:
People are complaining about bias but it would be hard to make a chart with everyone without having bias towards one direction or another, ideally it would be better to have different charts set at different conditions to and then evaluate it contextually (which seems to be the idea from what OP said, if there is enough interest). One chart alone is fated to be imperfect regardless of what you do.
It is true that one chart would always be imperfect, but some charts are more imperfect than others. For instance, choosing to always have 5 enemies being attacked, or choosing to use average DPS.
If you are making only one chart, Then do single target dps Average cycle dps
and Put in () if its a single target dps, a multi target one, and also if its a sustained dps, on skill dps or Nuke dps.
The one he did is Just useless, 5 immortal targets all the time is the furthest thing from the actual game, also we dont know anything about how is the DPS calculated (just skill uptime? total avg dps?
still, talking about "dps" for Nuke skills is extremely stupid, they may take 1 second or 3 seconds, what matters is the total damage of them)
The thing is DPS is consistent, it dosen't, “increase” with time as shown on the map.
@@peterdenov4898 you are thinking of maximum potential DPS, I.E all ideal conditions met with no DEF or RES. In actuality DPS varies according to enemy stats which is why the graph shows variation, since average stats for enemies did increase over time.
@@-Seaheart- thing is that the DPS isnt going to shift as much as the graph shows, as its a "race" that adjusts things constantly from one start to the end point, but thats inaccurate because it should truthfully be in spikes. None of that matters tho
Very cool graph for its parameters, shows why stuff like having a sweet spot for fiammetta matters.
But yeah maybe specifying that it’s specifically AOE in the title for newer players might be better(first few seconds notwithstanding we know people don’t read). Ray not even showing up in the top ten in a video about “DPS” is kinda funny
Ifrit helf on for a surprisingly long time!
even without module, ifrit still can fight other with module
Dw, soon she's getting module that will give her elemental burn damage
Ngl this would be crazy good@@Art-kk9md
Turn 5 tiles into liquid death is pretty powerful Juju if you're just tracking DPS.
If anything, this shows that the power creep is very stable and slow and Walter (also Surtr) is way too overtuned
Its notable that Ifrit stuck around for most of the time
I can't believe I was mesmerized throughout the entire thing. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing (in whatever format is easiest) an overview of how the mean DEF/RES of bosses changed over the years. I have to imagine the introduction of Surtr forced an increase in boss RES...
Shout out to the OG Ifrit. Only OG op doing its thing till the very end
Maaan, not seeing Silverash and Eyja in the charts by the second half of the video makes me feel... old...
Haven't played the game in a REALLY long time and at the end of the video, Surt's the only one I know left in the chart. I still don't have the motivation to get back because I'm too lazy to learn all the new stuff in the game. 😅😅
I like how surtr just came up and hupergrph knew they made a mistake so they made everyone else after her stronger, she was the beginning of the dps check era.
I'm still surtrless
And after the gamedev fix everything and make Surtr less oversatured ....
They add Walter ...
Even if you are Surtrless, you will not Walterless as well ...
Can you do this same video but calculating DPS of attacking 1 enemy? It would be really helpful to see how operators perform under high-def vs high-res enemies.
This kind of calculation only really makes sense for seeing which operator is good at clearing trees in Reclamation Algorithm.
Not need, logos ans wis,adel have insane damage vs all enemies
2:45
Nooooo ... Silverdaddy ... 😭😭😭
8:02
Dokutah: If you ever fight Walter, can you win ?
Surtr: She's definitely strong, I surely am gonna have a hard time
Dokutah: But would you lose ?
Surtr: Nah, I'd win
Also Surtr: 8:03
I think Ifrit is a character that has great design. She’s powerful, but has clear weakness in her range if you want to fully utilize her max potential. I had a lot of fun finding a place to put her back in the days. Operators like Walter is not only fcking crazy in damage, but has giga range and unfair survivability kit. It’s a gacha game so it’s understandable, especially for those that just want to clear stages braindead.
Ahh, the "Ifrit lanes" ...
Pretty nostalgic since strong operator nowadays is either have wide range or has zero range (1 tile) so placement doesn't really matter ...
And not even close...
-Wis'adel The Limited One-
Soon it will be Wisadel the forbidden one
although it does show how some meta characters (Surtr, Logos, Wisadel, Mlynar, etc.) are crazy good, it doesn't account for other meta options that lack AoE
Typhon, Ray, Goldenglow, Ash on release, etc. are really good meta options currently/meta during their time, they just lack AoE which got them knocked off the radar of the chart
Supports that broke the healing meta (Shu, Eyja alter, Lumen, Skalter) or utility options (Bagpipe and Sailech) didn't even make it. You can even count Kal'tsit and Reedalter in this chategory cus the game calls them "Medics"
I even noticed some weird skills coming up (Thorns S2, Ifrit S1 most notably) when you never see these skills ever come up in an actual clear.
I'm honestly also mildy surprised by how Gavial was able to compete with Surtr, which was kinda funny cus nobody would ever realistically say Gavial can match Surtr's power
Gavial alter is strong. Is just she doesnt get the surtr 8s immortality.
I mean gavialter was a meta laneholder for a while.
I know the disclaimer at the beginning of the video say to not take the video seriously.
But I have already seem comments saying this is a good way to know which ops to raise...Please NO, Don't use this video as a reference to know which ops do more DPS. It's clearly taking into account the DPS an operator can do to several enemies. The video doesn't take into account vital things about ops and some hard hitting ops like Typhoon and Ray don't even show since they are more of Single target DPS ops.
Please if you care about your account don't raise ops by looking at this video.
i mean im at lvl 110 rn and has prioritized every single top 10 dps in this list throughout the years, arknights really is a game that favor tower offense instead of defense so its really not bad idea to raise at least top 3 of this list
@@megugao I am 120 and have raised almost all ops 6* with module lvl3....what's your point?
Believe me having fiammeta or not having her doesn't make any impact in your account despite her being in the top almost half of the video.
This video is literally one bubble that shouldn't be taken seriously (As the guy that made the same video said) by anyone.
Even less for newbies that don't know which ops will impact their account more positively and could think this is a good way to know.
@@doktahsnotes3436 in reality none of the operators in that top 10 are bad, they're actually all really solid. Prioritizing Fiametta, Gavialter, ExeAlter over something like Thorns, Typhon, Saria or whatever just makes absolutely no sense at all. And DPS is not all that matters, I'd rather have one Saria built than Fiametta/Gavialter/ExeAlter combined.
To be completely honest, if someone wiped all the progress from my account and left me with only the units at level 1 and I had to do it all over again, I would probably just E2 Thorns and Myrtle or something since that's basically all you need for 90% of the game, and then do all the Base operators before touching anything else.
So if any new player is reading all this shit, that would be my recommendation. Please don't ignore your base, the better you set up your base the faster you can level other operators, and a lot of the good base ops are also really really good in general gameplay.
@@mjcwvo if you wiped your account from all levels, the first Op you should E2 is the blue woman and solo the whole game.
To be fair, Having Surtr be the main 6* you raise while going with lower star ops for ordinary content will take you pretty far. Mlynar is good mostly because of wave clear, but if you need something VERY dead, Surtr will get you there for the most part, especially with a little Warfrin backup.
there is a reason why people say just surtr it and not something like just mlynar it
I stand with "just shirnk shirnk it" side ...
Silverdaddy, Mostima, and Mylnar ...
@@ManusiaKagakRusuhand Tequila! He's still pretty good
Ifrit Supremacy, stayed in the top 10 for almost the entire life time of AK LETS GOOO
Cool vid, also love seeing Fiammetta hang on for so long.
Shout out to our pyromaniac who held on for almost 4 years :)
I've no idea why people are trying to frame this as some gospel truth of damage. It's a fun graph that highlights how crazy theoretical damage for characters can be, and how much it changed over time. Way too big a portion of the Arknights community is lame as hell.
Love the edit!
Ngl i like this content
Cool video! Would love to see one that favors ST ops as well! Crazy to see how Surtr shattered the rankings, and then Wiš'adel came along and completely shattered them again.
Very interesting video, i was deliberating on making a static form this for curiosity`s sake.
If you are inclined, would you consider making a "30s total damage on single target vs 0 DEF/RES" graph? I think it would really showcase the growth of the damage ceiling of the game.
I know how dominant Surtr will be but I didn't expect Gavialter to be able to catch up with her module. I think I know who I should build next
Keep in mind that dps is always calculated under "optimal" conditions, so in the case of Gavial S3 we assume that she is blocking 5 enemies. Whether this is feasible under normal circumstances is another question. Surtr is a plug-and-play operator that is literally immortal for 8-9 seconds without requiring help from the team. She's easier to work with regardless of damage, hence why dps ranking should not be considered a meta tier list.
can we please awkoledge that Ifrit remained in the top 10 the longest
Surtr just seems to be the most consistent boss killer in the game with how she can't die until her skill duration runs out.
I missed the Ling banner myself and would appreciate any opportunity to get her again.
Surtr just in the fucking top for the entirety until WIS’ADEL
Interesting video,
Just a small criticism, I think if you're going to use 5 as the number of targets being hit. Probably should've used the avg def/res of an elite rather than a boss. It's pretty rare for there to be more than 1 or maybe 2 boss enemies in a stage, but you could have 5 elite enemies. So the dps situation that's being shown in this basically never exists in game. It's much more reasonable to see hitting 5 elites, or hitting 1 boss.
Welll, nice video! Now waiting for checking against single targets bcs this is how damage is always compared
nice one
also, seeing dusk stay so long in the chart makes me a bit happy i wont lie
2:22 "Laevatainn!!!!" gave me goosebumps
You got Walter because she’s meta.
I got Walter because I don’t want to be happy no more, I just want to goon till next dawn.
We are not the same.
so 5 years huh?... 5 years of memories in this game...
Hey I read the description and am probably missing something but why do the numbers fluctuate, If the calculations for the damage done by the operators is predetermined? Is it because as more enemies are added the average def and res changes?
Also would love to see a similar video but instead with usage rate I think that’d be rly cool. Thanks for the vid, it was a trip down nostalgia lane,.
"Is it because as more enemies are added the average def and res changes?"
Surtr jumpscare 2:21
wow, fiametta has been pretty damn high on the list for a good while even when mlynar is out, and is somehow way higher than yato and chongyue!! surely she's a strong dps that doesn't completely crumble by herself or against anything with relatively higher def!
(i know its all for fun but i didn't even expect fiametta to even appear on there, let alone thriving when wisadel was dominating everyone. but then ig it IS against 5 whole enemies
So FIA has 2 great traits % multipliers and a healthy self buff, like no support vs Skalter in the SQUARE is like 2k vs 3k, she's outing Chong in the right spot by a good margin.
@@absolutelypallets7378 yeah to be fair the vid is about non buff characters so having a self buff makes their dmg stronger too just as you said FIA have good self buff and so is surt having 20 pen. at first im also shock how she is high for quite some time despite her S3 not deal good dmg unless its right in the middle. but if you make it so that the enemies stay in place especially on the middle of the S3 the chart is quite accurate. sadly reality is quite different atleast for some of the ops in the vid. some of the top char in the vid like FIA does not feel that strong as dps compared to others that are not listed on the top
well done
Ifrit S3 best dps skill in the game sounds unreal, and I'm saying this as someone who started playing less than 6 months after release
It's because this is calculated vs 5 enemies with pretty decent def/res. Since Ifrit shreds res and does great in AOE situations, her damage going to look a lot more powerful here. It's impossible to come up with a single DPS metric that doesn't disproportionate favor some operators, and it just so happens that Ifrit is favored by this metric. Although you could argue that her debuffs bring far more team DPS that are not being reflected here.
i use her s2 in the sand to sherd the incoming waves down a narrow lane i made lol, not too sure about s3 tho lool
@@bencoad8492 that's actually a great idea, I've never been an ifrit fan so I just never consider her as an option
@@cyanm4genta she is situational thats for sure
arknights fans are so negative and can't just enjoy some entertainment
just a harmeless video but some are just filled with rage because their favorite Op isn't shown
instead of seething at videos like this they should be directing that anger at the content thieves that just reupload bilibili animations
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skalter really changes/buffs operators without + signs on their skills damage like eyja s2, bagpipe s2, almost all ray skills, and chen like guards including degen
Idk why degen ranked so low when she's stronger than most of the upper ones
Cuz based on his formula of DPS, degen need 10s normal attacks before she can activate the skill, which only lasts for ~4 seconds so the number is small: (skill total dmg + 10s normal attack dmg) divided by ~14
I never hear or see anyone talking about or using gavial alter. never knew she was on par with sutr.
probably because it is harder to pot 6 her as she's limited?
surtr really be the last one standing before finally beatin in the last round
Tbh, I think it is fucking dope that Ifrit stayed on the chart as long as she did, just proves why she is the only 6 star of her archetype. Also, I love the fact that Dusk was up there as much as she was. She was my first limited operator, and is still my only of the Sui Siblings, so my love for her, although I like Shu more, is undeniable. I mean, Dusk has been a staple on my team since 2021, when I got her...
Really didnt expect to see Fiametta here
Of course it isn't even close. Wisadel just bangs
Its interesting to see barans chalter s3 usage going down but ifrit s3 still going strong over time
As weird as it sounds, ifrit s3 has a way more prevalent place in the meta now than chalter. There's so many replacements for Chalter, and her damage isn't even top tier anymore compared to mylnar wisadel and FedEx. Ifrit gives 40% res shred with 100% uptime. That's *ridiculous* and against an enemy with 70 res it is about 100% fragile (doubles all arts damage dealt). More than double suzuran damage amplification with 100% uptime.
Wisadel and Logos is about to become my favourite banner ever released in this game. Both of them characters I absolutely love and not to mention lowkey broken.
So is it save to assume Logos is the strongest maleknights ? ...
Cool video, man, it's a pleasure to see this kind of content, also remembering all this stuff from the start was really inspirational
on a side note, I'm really surprised how a lot of people were offended that this way of dps calculation didnt favour their favourite ops, this amount of copium is insane
This should be way more upvoted. AK is one of those games stages, enemies stats, number of enemies and other things can mean an operator overlooked might be busted in a certain stage and conditions.
The conditions OP put are a great comparison condition imo. And when/if people want to talk about single damage, no, it's not Typhon or their favourite ops that will be on top. If you consider stat bloat, only Schwarz and Ceobe (even more her) have great ways to deal with huge defenses. Those two will age like fine wine for niche conditions.
love this content - you mention calcs favor mt ops, but i do wonder how you determined the number of targets to consider for each chara, esp for true aoe ops like mostima
E: also how you managed frd and other ops with on-deploy skills or surtr/amiya s3 type skills
To determine the number of targets I either used keywords in the operators descriptions (e.g. "all enemies", "AOE Arts damage", etc.) or the skills/talents/traits descriptions. In general, I always double checked with viktorlab to make sure the number of attacked enemies was correct (until September 2023 anyway). Operators that targeted all enemies then had their "maxTarget" variable set to 999. Since I used only 5 enemies, they simply attacked all 5 enemies. Other operators were handled on a case-by-case basis, depending on what their skills/talents were. For example, Gavial Alter was assumed to be blocking (and therefore attacking) 5 enemies during S3 skill, but attacked only 3 enemies while off-skill.
For on-deploy/always active skills, in general I followed viktorlab: if the skill had a positive duration, I considered a normal attack duration equal to the skill duration, otherwise I considered a flat duration of 10s. Of course, special cases were handled accordingly and consistently with viktorlab (for example, Nearl Alter S2 is always active, but the operator is removed after the skill, so the number of attacks was fixed to 0).
For Surtr S3, still consistently with vitkorlab, I considered the maximum skill duration possible without healing, which should be around 33s.
@@smallphi That makes things confusing. Chalter can reach infinite DPS if there are enough enemies. You should have used single target dps
@@smallphi So Surtr's dps was that high including the time she's dead? that's wild.
@@kyarumomochi5146 I can still do it btw. But then other people would argue that Ebenholz having higher DPS than Mlynar makes no sense, since Mlynar would be at 1/5 of his capacity. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, as they say.
I had no idea Rosmontis's S3 could have this much dps.
The idea is cool, but I think this shouldn't be done as one. I've done calculation myself in the past, and damage depends really really heavily on the circumstances. They should be done separately for:
1. Single target or multiple target. Once you count multiple targets, the calculation will really favor operators that can damage multiple targets, because it literally multiplies the numbers. 3 targets? 300% multiplier. Even among skills that hit multiple targets, the difference can be huge such as going from 3 targets to 5 is almost double. Then there are true AoE without target limit. While in reality you wouldn't be attacking that many target that often. The enemy positioning and attack area matter so much; specially for true AoE which usually have smaller area or tricky range. Perhaps log scaling should be used to enforce diminishing return? Idk
2. Steady (counting downtime), helidrop (only initial SP), or burst (don't care about any downtime but only about 15s attack window). Each operator has different usage and comparing them as one is just unfair.
3. DEF or RES, high or low. Because really, physical and arts operators are fighting different enemies. Also because DEF matters a lot for physical attacks with high hit count per second (Exu, Ash, Bagpipe, etc).
4. Attack buffs, specially for physical operators in burst window setting, because of how DEF works. Physical operators with high hit count per second benefits so much from this.
They can be in separate videos. Though I don't know if there are actually demands for this.
i first got Fiammetta when i started to play this game, she literally carried my team solo when i got her to s3
The Laevatein went crazy ngl
Interesting that Thorns got so high on an AoE focused list, even if only briefly; More so that Omertosa DIDNT, Degen ended so low (is her off-skill dps that much hindrance?), and that Typhon didnt make the list, showing she's blown away by AoE DPS even by Fiametta - Ideally the metrics being done against 2 or 3 enemies, if not just 1, or against 5+ trash enemies (perhaps using DoS mobs as a basis due to their extraordinary stats?)
all of this and Myrtel is still eternal
you have chosen the best arknights OST for this video. full speed ahead dokutah
Need a tier list for which ops to raise for KyoSinV afk guide
Once you've raised Mountain, Exusiai, Saria, Eyja, Ifrit, Blaze and Eyja Alter you're pretty much covered for most of AFK strats. Just be on the lookout for Logos next.
@@smallphi
Ling doesn't mentioned ? ...
I though she's a strong laneholder ...
Cool video, Dokuta 😎
Thanks for the content ❤️
Wondered why I didn't see Exusiai in the start, then I saw you used the average defense of all bosses.
Surt always in win in my heart
the jump from year one lvls of damage to surtr was kinda stupid, what were they thinking
Surprising that mostima s1 was the most popular
2:25 dayum surtr
8:04 dayum wisadel
Oh boy the amount of new players that are going to get baited by this video for their pulling options(other than Surtr and Walter white)
Great video
Do it for single and dual target too
Bruh! Newer units already have modules yet Surtr still has none. Lmao! I stopped playing AK more than a year ago and I expected her to have module by now.
3+ yrs and Surtr still have no module
2:06 Korekoso
if there is still more committent to spend, also make a DPS chart for single target
and a chart if they are buffed by the usual buff army, (Warfarin, Suzuran, Skalter, eyja/schwarz)
then put em side by side xDDDDDD
just wisadel it bro
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Does Gav Alt been buffed since i have been gone for 2 years? Seems like the Module is very strong.
took the 5th aniversary to knock ifrit out of the top 10 lol. based bbq wife.
Always the damned sarkaz 😂 breaking Terra, the game, and even stopping HG from continuing CC BP 😂
I have gavial alter and i just know her dps is that big
Total dmg over multi target seems to be the main criteria but Yato and Reed didn't even made it to the map......
Also Thorns competes with Rosmontis?
Oh Lord not the NTR knight
Now do HPS next
I was very surprised that Gravialter has more DPS than Mlynar and the same with Fiammeta and Moist Ch'en
Missed the day when you can just Silverashed everything
Why does the values slightly change overtime, shouldn't the dps be constant ? For example Surtr is around 7.5k, sometimes it goes higher and sometimes it goes lower, is this something to make the chart more visually appealing to look at, or is there a math reason behind this ?
Also nice video, it was very interesting to watch :) (I knew Wisadel was strong but I didn't expected her to destroy the chart like that lol)
the def and res of the enemies change each time, that's why the dps changes
surtr the lord of brainless strat known as "just surtr it"
Surtr the ice cream queen still no. 1 for me
Everyone talking about biased dont know how charts work 😅
I refuse to be carnelian on release was good
Could u do this for boss killers(basically single target dps of units)
Right now we need module for surtr😂
I still use blaze and Saria, afknights
Arknight must have buffed the operator
Ifrit still good for me
Their biggest regret gotta be releasing thorn an surtr indeed
Those 2 literaly turn the games to ez mode due to simplycity yet broken ass capability, while you almost bring them in any stage.
Im trying to figure out what this graph actually represents? Like i get its a dps graph but under what circumstances.
Wait a minute, i started to play Arknights again in May 2024, and Virtuosa and Viviana Banner are still there (considering it's a Limited banner), and the banner end in Mid June, is this the data from CN server?
Edit 1: nvm, the data is from CN server, no wonder why the date of release is different since CN server is way faster than Global one.
The conditions are extremely strange. 5 enemies? Especially when you don't even consider how AoE Casters may have a harder time hitting all 5 enemies than, say, Mlynar? And did you really consider Average DPS? That's, like... extremely dumb. That also unfairly buffs Surtr who's considered to have 5 seconds off-skill and 43 seconds on-skill. Which is clearly unfair since it doesn't factor in Redeployment Time. Or Yalter because her skills take such low amounts of time
This video is just horrible. Idk what the guy assumed at all