Just a heads up, after doing some personal testing, Burning Maul actually does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage using just the spin rather than just the slam.
Worth mentioning that synthocepts can buff all Titan supers by 50percent if your surrounded, the buff last 7 seconds after you no longer are. Also he only had roaring flames*2 for burning maul
I found it funny when he said hunters were the only class with an exotic that buffs super damage no matter the subclass.. me being a synthocep main cried a little bit when I heard that
I reckon you could have spaced yourself from the boss with behemoth and just stack stasis crystals. He would just walk right through them and detonate them. Missing out on a lot of damage
Yeah holy shit, just why do they keep testing behemoth's super like this and then say that it's fucking garbage?? Ofc it's bad if you don't use it properly.
I know it isn’t exactly practical, but stasis crystal shatters technically are buffed by melee damage buffs, meaning if you stacked everythig correctly (lots of different buffs and armour and weapon swaps insanely fast to get it all set up, so as I said, not practical and barely even possible to set up) you could put all your stasis crystals from behemoth in one spot, then detonate them all with buffs active and hit 13.5mil damage instantly.
This testing seems a little inaccurate, testing the hunter supers with star eaters' scales but not using synthoceps to test the titan's supers, so the hunter supers are going to have some skewed numbers compared to the titan supers.
@@DillonMagreveous considering synthoceps is only supposed to increase super damage when surrounded, idk why it would be proc’ing in this encounter when there’s just one boss
I think also showing the supers base damage numbers would have been some useful information just so we could see how much the exotics are really helping the supers
I think the video is fine as it is as it is testing super damage as if it was primary dps for endgame content. There are sites like Light GG and Destiny Item Manager that tell you how much an exotic buffs a super by.
You can save energy on Winter’s Wrath by letting one set of crystals launch and then burst right after. The second set of crystals take their own bit of super energy.
@@zephyr5512 Because bosses nowdays don't stand still. So realisticly you won't be doing the amount of damage you would do to the templar. I guess that is why he sayd that.
hes not testing that though, hes just getting numbers. some things are better than other for different scenarios regardless, its a lot easier to test on templar for numbers then use whatever works for that scenario, with those numbers in mind
1. Behemoth wasn't positioned correctly, so the shattering of the crystals didn't count to the test here, it can do a whole lot more if you space it 2. Burning maul can do some of the highest super damage in the game with roaring flames x3 (which he only had X2 in the video) and snythos procced, spinning repeatedly on a boss, each hit doing about 10k
@@xiimagzx damage isn’t everything. Celestial nighthawk is the easiest super to hit and can be shot at any range from the target and is the most “instantaneous” of the burst supers. I find it useful as a GM exotic as it still is enough damage to one shot champions and due to that, you have your super refunded, I personally still don’t use it that much because I just don’t like golden gun, but it’s not useless
@@hatchell18 because 1. Roaming supers blow cock in comparison to one and done supers (ie: well, bubble, silence squall, shadowshot) 2. The dmg buff provided isn’t enough to justify its exotic slot in comparison to other exotics and 3. The exotics that it IS competing with are leagues better than the one that buffs WW. Thats why 4head
For chaos people out there, hitting bosses with a grenade that jolts (storm nade with jolt nade fragment is my favorite) and then hitting them with chaos does a lot more damage. Add anarchy and you have a respectable super that doesn’t require geomags
@@colinkwasnik literally anything else thats either subclass agnostic or arc oriented. id be using crown of tempest or verity's brow. could even use fallen sunstar if youre going for a ionic trace build
thats kind of the case for the warlock supers, isnt it? you got what you need to buff your super damage within the subclass, like you can buff nova bomb using the weakening buddy, you can pre scorch the boss to get dawn chorus working faster. its just unfortunate that none of it stacks with anything your allies can do.
Titan Stasis super can also be extremely good if you pair it with a bubble. The bubble will cause all the crystals to gather inside of it and shatter instantly, doing insane amounts of damage against bosses. You can use the titan glaive for the same effect too
The only thing I’d add that I dont think I’ve seen anyone else mention is using Swarmers with Warlock Strand super because then the threadlings unravel targets as they pop out from the super. Super helpful video though!
I think the Glacial Quake test might need a redo. It has the potential to do a lot more damage than shown if you manage to space it correctly and hit the crystal shatters every time, instead of slamming right next to the boss and doing little to no damage.
He could have possibly used the void titan Glaive to put the bubble down and make sure 99% of those crystals hit, and in a tighter place so the crystals do 99% of their explosion / shatter damage
@@DJreeik they nerfed that awhile ago, it only spawns like 3 crystals inside a bubble. Just standing back is better. You can shatter them all at the end anyway with a wave frame
Then how do you land all the crystals on this boss? Cos if you hit 60% of the crystals with a wave frame it does significantly less damage, since they’re far away from the boss. I speak from experience using this super for 50% of my Destiny life Plus, what I would do that Ehoroar wouldn’t is use the super on a tank, since all crystals shatter with 100% damage. And you can only use 1 slam, and you can calculate the rest of the damage just by multiplying the number of slams you can do. This will calculate the maximum damage which is never going to happen. Then I’ll test it on every other raid boss in the game 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 I’ll keep you updated because Imma actually test this.
Biggest surprise for me was how hard Arcstaff is hitting, I thought that super was in the dumpster for years now. Was very surprised to see that it’s the second best roaming super in the game at the moment.
It has always seemed a little odd to me that warlock supers have such a history of being weak despite the Well issue. Because of the Well pigeonholing, one would expect the other supers to come across disproportionately low in Bungie's metrics and consequently they'd trend on the high side of power as Bungie tried to compensate using the wrong lever (buffing the non-Well lock supers). But instead, nope. Instead locks have a super that by design will lead to pigeonholing AND their others are underpowered as a cherry on top.
Gonna be honest, when it comes to star eaters damage, I can't complain as a hunter. But the numbers of hunter base supers just seem dreadful nowadays which makes me feel kinda left out of cool builds during proper encounters while still serving okay super damage. As far as I'm aware, hunter supers without exotic are currently a few of the lowest hitting burst supers in the game while even being easy to miss with things like blades. Ig all classes have their unique identify of course but just kinda sad the majority of hunter gets steered towards a single exotic which has no particular fun build but is just the only practical way of getting an easy damage up
you can get more damage out of winter's wrath by right clicking before the second volley from the left click comes out, it will make the super a lot longer and still deal the same damage
Or just don’t use winters wraith? If you’re in a DPS encounter why aren’t you running well? There’s no raid encounter in this game that get significantly easier through stasis turrets. That is a GM thing
A problem I've always had with videos like this, is people shooting off the one and done supers and directly comparing that to ones that last longer. The whole benefit to the one and dones are that you can then switch into weapon DPS. Like, yeah the arc supers for warlock are more damage than nova bomb, but you'd be crazy to think it's actually better options for boss DPS. I'd like to see a video with all supers and their optimal set ups. Which includes weapons along with the supers. Since that's what people will actually be doing in fights
Hey Ehroar! You need to redo a few of the Titan ones for the following reasons: 1. Fist of Havoc deals more damage on the slam when it is activated in the air. This is old functionality that is no longer mentioned, but is still (intentionally) in the game. Bungie mentioned it in the patch notes for Arc 3.0. 2. Behemoth does by far the most damage by spamming Howl of the Storm on a boss. (It also does more damage on a light attack followup than only heavy attacks). 3. Sentinel Shield does by far the most damage on the final hit in the 3-hit chain (basically double damage). If you are in the air, that final hit is on the second hit instead of the third. So jump a tiny bit before you attack to increase your DPS. 4. Burning Maul does more DPS and total damage on the spin rather than the slam. There is debate whether a slam first is better still because it immediately procs the tornado, whereas the spin only spawns one after three hits. I don't think it will move placements much, but you did miss quite a bit of damage this way. I would expect Behemoth to rise a ton though. I bet it outdamages Blade Furry tbh.
So just as an FYI Golden Gun, for whatever reason, is currently benefitting from Kinetic Surge mods. If you lump those in with Night Hawk you get a substantial damage buff that seams to stack multiplicatively.
It is more then just Golden gun that is seeing major benefits as I have a friend that mains hunter so we think that it is Kinetic Surge that is bugged but knowing bungie they will nerf golden gun instead of seeing the true problem.
For burning maul you only had roaring flames x2 and you should’ve done the light attack over and over. They added a feature where doing that creates a “fire tornado” or something, so that’s the way to go
@hellkiller1213 it just buffs super damage when surrounded along side your melee and the range of the melee that's why mini hammer syntho is so strong
@@Hellkiller1213 synthoceps gives a +200% melee damage buff a melee range buff and a +50% super damage buff. The super damage buff works on ranged attacks as well. Biotic enhancements when activated lasts 8 seconds so even if the enemies around you die you will still have a decent chunk of your super buffed
@@elijahwaggoner545 then, he should test on bosses that have mobs around, it would be useful for Atheon, Oryx, caretaker, etc Also, he didn't use shadebinder's super correctly as so many have pointed out already. You are so supposed to right click instantly after left clicking. It makes it last almost twice as much.
@@Luvanweed I don't see how synthos really help here, and unlike hunter it's not a universal thing, it doesn't flat out increase every supers damage, and it's not very good on a decent number of bosses, it definitely puts in work but not in the same way starteaters do
One thing you can do on tether Hunter is use your smoke bomb to weaken the enemy before throwing your tether allowing for a bit more damage on the first volley.
Good video besides a couple supers being used incorrectly. For Titan stasis, you need to be slamming the ground and keeping the boss at the distance the crystals appear at, to instantly shatter themselves on the boss, otherwise damage is underwhelming. Titan void, it's much better to jump then melee as instead of doing the 3 attack combo, it just does 2 and 3 in the combo string, where the third does the most damage. Still accurate enough as a basis, but keep this in mind everyone!
not accurate enough at all! He wasn't even using synthos for the roaming supers, and he used heavy instead of light attacks for burning maul on top of only have x2 roaring flames vs the x3 he had with hammer of sol.
Broodweavers please remember! Before you cast Needlestorm if you CAN. Throw one of the charged melees because it procs unraveling on the boss THEN cast needlestorm, bit bigger numbers in dmg. Throw on swarmers for even more super dmg increase it's nothing outright insane like hunter strand super but it's pretty damn good
I have to ask, though, why test on a boss that can cause some hits to become immune, hurting the validity of the results? Quite a few of the supers had some part of them being blocked by the Wyvern's wings.
Great video. I'm surprised at how hard the Stabilizers hit. Honestly, I didn't think they'd break 300K. It blows my mind that a Sunbracers main can solo 1.2-phase Riven while the other warlock supers can't even put a sizable scratch on a boss.
Watching this has made me realize they could (and should) release more strand and stasis supers. Light supers have variants. Give us some more for darkness!!
with behemoth you can lock the wyvern in the narrow corridor and land all of the crystals directly on him for the massive shatters super easily, sad we didnt get to see the numbers for that because it does NUMBERS
I'm gonna assume he doesn't play titan because he didn't know how to use behemoth super properly and also just completely forgot about synthoceps entirely. And also did burning maul wrong as well.
As a hunter main seeing this…warlock supers over all need a solid 35% damage buff and hunter strand being nerfed would be understandable. I don’t want that to happen! But I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it bc almost 1 million is insane. Then again you could argue it’s a SUPER, you SHOULD be doing nearly or a full mil in it. Supers should be stronger than weapons after all,
Keep in mind that most of the damage for hunter was tested using stacks from Star Eater Scales which specifically buffs all supers by 70% at max. 900k damage is based on a build made to prioritize super damage (on a roaming super no less). Without it, silkstrike sits at around 500k total damage which I think is fine given that it isn't long range nor is it a burst super. Nerfing that super to do less under those circumstances would put its base damage close to or on par with many burst supers' damage (which is the issue with most roaming supers in general as that makes them not worth running in pve over burst options given the time it takes to get to that total damage) Balancing super damage based on stats from a build focused around super damage could cripple dps for builds that don't use that one specific exotic. You want supers to be viable without the exotic but enhanced with it rather than being too weak without the exotic and viable with it (which is how titans feel about the current situation with thundercrash and cuirass). I'd argue that other roaming supers need to be brought up to the level of silkstrike/berzerker rather than being nerfed.
Needle storm is usually better than Nova bomb when there's no adds for the needle to track to and when it comes to bosses… that's almost always the case…
I’d really like it if skull of dire ahamkara boosted Nova damage, like it’s a relic, it does get some use for spamming nova’s. But I would not be mad if it was given an alternative function other than returning super energy that boosted Nova damage.
Similar to how Hunters get Scales, Titans have Synthoceps which increase both Melee and Super damage (and sometimes both apply to an instance of a super’s attack). You can save enemies that the other teammate would have aggro’d. This would let Synthos apply for each super, though be careful with the AoE supers as they could kill the enemies giving you your Synthos. It does have a pretty forgiving range of proc-ing the Synthos perk however, and lasts for like 5 seconds once conditions are no longer met, so take advantage of that. I still think Falling Star is better for T-Crash than Synthos, but feel free to test if you want Ideas for better Titan super usage: For Behemoth, it’s damage is the crystals, which go everywhere. If you can keep the chicken stationary, use the Titan Glaive as the dome helps focus the crystal damage when inside of it (Selfu made a video on this too a while back) As for Burning Maul, spamming the spin is best, even better with a sunspot made before hand for super duration. If possible, keep boss in the sunspot so you keep Sol Invictus. Lastly FoH. I’d never use it, but the slam is the damage from it. It does exponentially more on the slam and aftershock it makes when used from the air, gaining more of a benefit the higher you are. You can also save time from falling by using the slam midair without moving Fun fact to maybe help potential retesting, with Phoenix Cradle, Sunspots grant all benefits to allies with a doubled duration, including Sol Invictus. Therefore, more super duration for all supers that have a time limit. (Oh god the potential damage of Silkstrike, Chaos Reach, and Arc Staff would be nuts) Even though it would require more setup, it is still very possible in a real game scenario, and can make a very noticeable difference This is not me trying to make it seem like I know more or something, it’s just my insight as a simple minded monkey from d1 days who still enjoys the punchy behavior. Sorry if it comes of as smart talk, this is just stuff I’ve noticed over my years of a crayon enjoyer. Hope it helps if you decide to test again, and hope it helps anyone who reads this
If I’m not mistaken, all roaming supers can benefit from Sol Invictus’ extended super duration when standing in a Phoenix Cradle Sunspot, so you could potentially hit even higher numbers
@@hatchell18 not as much as it was before. It's still a nerf. No one is making dawn chorus destroying strike or raid bosses like before. The change is utterly stupid for dawn chorus. Why would I want more damage with my scorch when the purpose is to ignite them as quickly as possible. They should have just increased the ignition damage instead
@@felwinterpeak1674 bro it does almost 500k tf? It did more in this testing then almost every other warlock super and did more damage then both nova bombs. So wtf are you talking about?😂🤦🏻♂️
@hatchell18 clearly you are new, so check "Scrub, Ehroar " and anyone else's old video over dawn chorus. And you'll see that dawn blade with dawn chorus was able to kill taniks, Atheon, and get close to some other raid bosses. That's the damage I'm talking about. When it was better. If they had to change it, they should have changed the scorch damage to ignition damage for dawn chorus. Who's going to sit there and let scorch damage build up on a enemy? No one. You use solar 3.0 to ignite enemies and heal. It's not meant for continuous damage.
You could have got a lot more damage out of Titan stasis if you were using it correctly. You need to be slamming at a range so the boss shatters the crystals. This gains a lot more Dps
Golden Gun deals bonus damage if you are running Kinetic Surges on your legs. So you can get an additional 22% damage buff on GG alongside Radiant + Stareaters/Celestial Nighthawk.
PLEASE stop testing behemoth's super in melee range, you need to keep your distance properly so that the boss finds itself inside the two spawning crystal lines. The bigger and more static the boss, the bigger the damage is, and it's honestly fucking insane how much damage you can do against these types of bosses. The only problem of glacial quake is the cooldown, the fact that you can easily get oneshotted in it in GMs and that it's much weaker against flying or smaller bosses.
You should've done berserker with synthos. Bumps up to ~750k Also curious to see arc staff with the exotic that buffs reflected projectiles, see how much that can do
Thanks for the comparison. I just need to point out a few things here: Chaos reach supposedly deal more damage to jolted targets, although I have not tested it myself. Also, the stormdancer chest exotic might give a better damage output compared to the tempest. Maybe that could be tested, too.
2 things you need to use Behemoth super at a slight difference so the crystals pop up right below the boss and it deals much better damage. Secondly why didn't you use synthos for the titan roaming supers? Did you just straight up forget they exist?
You said hunter is the one character that has a universal super damage boost, but Synthoceps give 50% extra damage for all Titan supers, and even more for the melee supers because the melee damage buff from synthoceps also applies while you're in super (on top of the 50% super buff).
@@mrlunar62 it's very easy to get surrounded and the perk last for 8 seconds even after no longer being surrounded. After having mained Synthoceps for almost 5 years, I can promise you that you will have that buff way more often than not.
You remember how Silkstrike used to have a sweet spot at the tip of the spear? Well Glacial Quake is the same way. The boss needs to be at the far end of your super where all the crystals spawn.
Hunter as a class is just on another level. I’ve been playing with all three classes back and forth and I just don’t have nearly as much fun with titan and warlock. Hunter feels like the main character of the classes lol
same, was on my warlock in momentum last week, had a whole solar build going and everything, but was struggling against hunters and titans, the second i hopped on my hunter (which doesnt have a build since i mostly main warlock) i was easily dominating every lobby i was in
@@orionmedivh5859 Titan main crying and throwing up (me). D1 were the days where titans were the best class imo. Lowkey feel like D2 don't love titans compare to the other 2 classes.
If you could aim the Glacial quake a lot further so the boss can destroy all crystals, I think you can get as much damage as thundercrash or even more. It's really a powerfull super
I still feel like Nighthawk is a bit lackluster, especially considering you can sometimes outright miss the shot and do no damage (or is it half damage? i cant remember, havent used that exotic ever since solar 3.0 came out.)
These really should have their DPS values (as measured by the time between firing the last shot from a weapon before and the first shot after). Chaos Reach doing 492k can look good on paper, but it's barely outdamaging gun damage (if at all).
@@griqs No, it's not. You can do more without using the super in the same time by using Izzy+ Rockets, Switching to all outbreak after you run out of heavy unironically does more than using Chaos Reach. You're completely talking out your ass, if it was a one time super then yeah, it's worth, for the 5-6 seconds it takes to get out? Not at all, an ALH Rocket + Conditional/Izzy is putting that damage to shame without even trying.
@@User-Ryan135 it's only game why u heff to be mad? It's not that serious btw. At the end of the day it can be used as utility so it doesn't matter that much. You have options to use something else
Glacial, sentinel and blade fury have a specific combo to get optimal dos. Glacial is alternation between light and heavy, sentinel and blade fury is three light then one heavy.
Floating backwards makes the knives from blade barrage group up tighter, super useful for smaller bosses, esp if there's an off chance you might hit a part of the boss that's immune. Not sure if floating forward does the opposite but i wouldn't be surprised tbh
Tip for Titans: on Burning Maul you don't spam the heavy attack like Eroar did. You want to spam the Light Spinning attack that ramps up the damage and spawns a solar tornado in every 3 hits, increasing substantially the damage of the super. It's still trash tho
lmao what? Burning Maul is one of the highest damage supers in the game if you actually do it right. he wasn't rocking synthos, was only at roaring flames x2, and didn't spam the light attacks that make fire tornadoes every three hits
Wouldn't your test make more sense if you used a boss that wasn't a chicken? Because of their innate DR, which could skew the results of elemental damage like Shatter, wouldn't it make more sense to fight an enemy more neutral?
You used the titan supers without Synthoceps but with hunter you used Star-Eater Scales, it isn't fair (you probably don't remember that Syntho also buff titan super damage). Also, for Glacial Quake titan roaming super, when the boss is too thin like the chicken, you could spam cryoclasm while you are on super, and if the boss is big like Morgeth or Golgoroth, you might spam the R2/RightClick, and always, with glacial quake you should try to spawn all the stasis crystals you can under the boss feets to make all of them break with the Synthoceps damage buff.
You can't proc synthos on 2/3 bosses in the game, there is no point in testing it with them, while scales can be used on any encounter and with any ult. But this testing was sloppy af anyway.
@@morsperferro3419 but he's testing the best possible. He's using Crown of tempest killing enemies before, because it's better killing enemies with arc abilities.
@@casualofcatarina8483 the thing is, you can use crown of tempest everywhere, cos it still does increace your super duration, same with scales, same with warlock's stasis gloves, etc, while synthos are extremely encounter dependant.
You should’ve used synthos for all roaming titan supers. Especially glacial quake and burning maul. Burning Paul spinning attack does crazy damage with synthos. Strand titan with synthos pushes 700k damage as well
I bet warlock stasis could actually do some decent damage if you have multiple turrets freezing the boss and you just spam the shatter attack. Probably would still be worse than using weapons and definitely would be worse than Starfire but it's possible it could be decent
Didn’t realize Titans literally have exactly 1 burst super, that’s rough. Strand could have been a cool burst like titans weave an insanely massive fist and just hurl it at a target with some AOE damage. That would’ve been sick.
i dont think nova bomb is bad. the other supers, aside from needlestorm, take a long time to deal their damage while nova bomb is just one quick throw. Which means you can also get damage in with your weapons before a dps phase ends and probably end with more damage overall
I think all supers in the game need to be looked at by Bungie and buffed. Some need slight buffs, some need major buffs. Especially on Titans to be honest. Most of the supers suck. They're only good for add clear. Nova bomb also needs a huge buff.
Just a note. You only had roaring flames x2 on burning maul, and spin the win is better dps. Also, glacial quake crystals need to be placed in front of a moving boss so it can walk into them and destroy the crystals. You slammed your crystals behind the boss. A bit tricky but crazy dps in the best case.
the reason no one cares if warlock supers suck for dps is because well exists. I've been sayng for a while now that we warlocks can't really compete with dps supers, but most responses were "well you don't need to because by using well you are amplifying everyone's dmg" needlestorm has certainly helped, but I would still like for well to be less dominant in the meta.
Solar hammer Throw had roaring flame x3 while maul had rf x2. Also the maul is supposed to be smashing the boss physically, While the ranged attack hits separately. It's bigger dmg than the hammers
Love the video Ehroar but the numbers are misleading since you use well for some instances and not for others. That is why the strand hunter damage is so much higher + other supers that used it. I get the survivability but either use it for all supers or none to keep consistency. Much love brother
Homie did Titan dirty by not breaking any of the crystals on the boss itself on behemoth lmao also only had roaring flames x2 for burning maul, nor did he use synthoceps for any of the melee supers. Yikers
I can see Gathering Storm used by Divinity person hotswapped with Autoloading Hothead, even better with Lasting Impression since you delayed the damage and can buff your own rocket and super damage. You can also double dip with your Arc Surge to buff both your weapons.
The only critique I’d have is to show that no surge is on anything and that some of the supers (seemingly, I could be wrong) get the radiance 25% buff and others don’t but overall super interesting to see how things have changed
Something to note as well with warlock needlestorm. You will also unleash any perched threadlings, and has a very high tracking rate(better than powered melees on warlock too). The burst potential for how quick needlestorm comes out is absurd in combination with 3-5 theadlings. Seeing the other comments, theres a lot of room for improvement on double dipping extra super damage, thank you guys for figuring all these crazy combos out.
Man... have we really arrived to the moment-in-life of the game that not only Nova Bomb is actually the WORST burst Super for Warlock, but also that it is ENTIRELY outclassed by the supossedly unwanted stepchild of Nova Warp? Oh how low we have fallen, fellow Voidlocks... it really is a time of mourning U_U
what I get from this is that most Supers (especially titan) can be min maxed a little more. Like Stasis Titan where you use the crystals as the dmg source, having roaming flames times 3 instead of 2, spamming the shatter on warlock super after you fire only 1 shot instead of 2 to increase the duration and so on. So in total this creates a nice baseline for dmg testing, but it is also kinda unrealiable in what supers do what damage. It gets the point across which are the best and do most dmg, but in accuracy it still lacks a bit. That's a fundamental flaw when in testing. But again, the supers that are on top will stay on top, no matter how much you min max, so the reason for this test is fulfilled
I'm pretty sure that for Burning Maul the spinning top is more dmg. And you have to time glacial quake properly to have the wyvern walk into the crystals.
I’d be curious to see a starfire protocol well with witherhorde and a demolitionist heavy grenade launcher or rocket, but idk if that bosses damage phase is long enough to really see the total. I agree the warlock burst supers could probably use some help, but I always figured a warlocks identity was more of a well-rounded utility class, but each subclass now plays a little differently.
Synthoceps is +50% to all titan supers while active, but ok also spinning does way more dmg on burning maul I believe (and with 3x roaring flames, not 2x like in the vid)
Damage numbers
Warlock - Burst supers
Cat Nova: 304k
Vortex Nova: 298k
Needlestorm: 457k
Chaos Reach: 492k
Warlock - Roaming supers
Nova Warp: 475k
Winters: 404k
Stormtrance: 458k
Daybreak: 461k
Titan - Burst super
Thundercrash: 527k
Titan - Roaming supers
Glacial: 303k
Sentinel: 365k
Bladefurry: 549k
Hammers: 595k
Maul: 342k
Havoc: 301k
Hunter - Burst supers
Quiver: 455k
Squal: 260k
Blades: 693k
Nighthawk: 386k
Goldie + Eaters: 468k
Storm: 631k
Hunter - Roaming supers
Spectral: 239k
Staff: 701k
Silk: 931k
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Wow great video ehroar, I liked the part where you used your super and did that damage!
One of the Destiny videos of all time for sure.
I liked that part too
true i also really liked the part where he was like: It's super time
You watched a 15 minute video in 1 minute? Very impressive. All hail the time god
@@xyyton my legal middle name is fast
Just a heads up, after doing some personal testing, Burning Maul actually does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage using just the spin rather than just the slam.
And if you're slamming you can walk up to it and keep smacking him with your heavy
Yea idk he clearly didn't know how to use majority of the roaming supers
That was my first thought with maul was the spin after the buffs is so much better then the slam and he wasn't even using synthos either I think
@@vexanxvi9191 maul does 500k+ i think
With or without synth?
Worth mentioning that synthocepts can buff all Titan supers by 50percent if your surrounded, the buff last 7 seconds after you no longer are. Also he only had roaring flames*2 for burning maul
The spinning part of the super does more damage the the slam
I found it funny when he said hunters were the only class with an exotic that buffs super damage no matter the subclass.. me being a synthocep main cried a little bit when I heard that
@@chrischamberlin3371 he sadly miss that.
@@chrischamberlin3371 Its painfully clear he doesn't play his titan all that much anymore
@@reyth9887 I mean why would he when warlock exist.
I reckon you could have spaced yourself from the boss with behemoth and just stack stasis crystals. He would just walk right through them and detonate them. Missing out on a lot of damage
Yup. Most players are sleeping on the shatter damage on that heavy attack.
i couldnt believe it when i saw him using it like that and considering that as its actual damage.
He should of used a bubble on a stationary boss
Yeah holy shit, just why do they keep testing behemoth's super like this and then say that it's fucking garbage?? Ofc it's bad if you don't use it properly.
I know it isn’t exactly practical, but stasis crystal shatters technically are buffed by melee damage buffs, meaning if you stacked everythig correctly (lots of different buffs and armour and weapon swaps insanely fast to get it all set up, so as I said, not practical and barely even possible to set up) you could put all your stasis crystals from behemoth in one spot, then detonate them all with buffs active and hit 13.5mil damage instantly.
This testing seems a little inaccurate, testing the hunter supers with star eaters' scales but not using synthoceps to test the titan's supers, so the hunter supers are going to have some skewed numbers compared to the titan supers.
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I was just about to ask if titan was using synthos
@@DillonMagreveous considering synthoceps is only supposed to increase super damage when surrounded, idk why it would be proc’ing in this encounter when there’s just one boss
@CladdixYT the enemies at the beginning can proc it as well as gain roaring flames stacks
Not to mention he was standing in a well for some of the supers and wasn’t for the rest lol. This shit Is so innacurate😂
Behemoth super does more damage at range when you allow the crystals to build up and shatter when the boss tries to move.
I ain’t doin allat
@@Weenshothat’s literally moving back like 20 feet or for this boss put them in front as he’s coming up forehead
It has the trick with the exotic Titan glaive to gather all the cristals. Works well in Caaital.
@@Weensho literally just use it from a bit farther away, its not hard
Exactly. He ruined that dmg test number. Damn warlock mains.
I think also showing the supers base damage numbers would have been some useful information just so we could see how much the exotics are really helping the supers
I think the video is fine as it is as it is testing super damage as if it was primary dps for endgame content. There are sites like Light GG and Destiny Item Manager that tell you how much an exotic buffs a super by.
You can save energy on Winter’s Wrath by letting one set of crystals launch and then burst right after. The second set of crystals take their own bit of super energy.
That's why @AztecrossGaming is goat'd for dps tests. He tests while streaming so his chat can help optimize damage
@@alexissliwak9716 yeah but at the same time bro has got to stop using templar as the boss he tests on
@@starlightrains why
@@zephyr5512 Because bosses nowdays don't stand still. So realisticly you won't be doing the amount of damage you would do to the templar. I guess that is why he sayd that.
hes not testing that though, hes just getting numbers. some things are better than other for different scenarios regardless, its a lot easier to test on templar for numbers then use whatever works for that scenario, with those numbers in mind
1. Behemoth wasn't positioned correctly, so the shattering of the crystals didn't count to the test here, it can do a whole lot more if you space it
2. Burning maul can do some of the highest super damage in the game with roaring flames x3 (which he only had X2 in the video) and snythos procced, spinning repeatedly on a boss, each hit doing about 10k
I cant belive winters wrath got a damage exotic before nova bomb
Too bad it also sucks. Bungie loves the warlock subclass but hates the super
@@aidan2747 tell celestial nighthawk about that it's a exotic and has the worst dmg against almost all worklock Burst supers
@@xiimagzx damage isn’t everything. Celestial nighthawk is the easiest super to hit and can be shot at any range from the target and is the most “instantaneous” of the burst supers. I find it useful as a GM exotic as it still is enough damage to one shot champions and due to that, you have your super refunded, I personally still don’t use it that much because I just don’t like golden gun, but it’s not useless
@@aidan2747 how when it literally does more damage? Lol
@@hatchell18 because 1. Roaming supers blow cock in comparison to one and done supers (ie: well, bubble, silence squall, shadowshot) 2. The dmg buff provided isn’t enough to justify its exotic slot in comparison to other exotics and 3. The exotics that it IS competing with are leagues better than the one that buffs WW. Thats why 4head
For chaos people out there, hitting bosses with a grenade that jolts (storm nade with jolt nade fragment is my favorite) and then hitting them with chaos does a lot more damage. Add anarchy and you have a respectable super that doesn’t require geomags
Ty good Info
This is interesting, what armor are you running if not geomags?
@@colinkwasnik literally anything else thats either subclass agnostic or arc oriented. id be using crown of tempest or verity's brow. could even use fallen sunstar if youre going for a ionic trace build
thats kind of the case for the warlock supers, isnt it? you got what you need to buff your super damage within the subclass, like you can buff nova bomb using the weakening buddy, you can pre scorch the boss to get dawn chorus working faster. its just unfortunate that none of it stacks with anything your allies can do.
@@D.A.R.C.I. if you're going arclock you 100% should be running a trace build, it's basically the best build for the subclass
Titan Stasis super can also be extremely good if you pair it with a bubble. The bubble will cause all the crystals to gather inside of it and shatter instantly, doing insane amounts of damage against bosses. You can use the titan glaive for the same effect too
They patched bubble but glaive still works
I mean if you just back up and hit it directly with the crystals instead of hugging the boss like he did you could do like 900,000k with synthos
The only thing I’d add that I dont think I’ve seen anyone else mention is using Swarmers with Warlock Strand super because then the threadlings unravel targets as they pop out from the super. Super helpful video though!
I think the Glacial Quake test might need a redo. It has the potential to do a lot more damage than shown if you manage to space it correctly and hit the crystal shatters every time, instead of slamming right next to the boss and doing little to no damage.
Not might, it just needs a redo, they didn't use it correctly at all
He could have possibly used the void titan Glaive to put the bubble down and make sure 99% of those crystals hit, and in a tighter place so the crystals do 99% of their explosion / shatter damage
@@DJreeik they nerfed that awhile ago, it only spawns like 3 crystals inside a bubble. Just standing back is better. You can shatter them all at the end anyway with a wave frame
@@ashron1791 I've heard that change was only made to the bubble super, and not the class glaive
Could be wrong though
Then how do you land all the crystals on this boss? Cos if you hit 60% of the crystals with a wave frame it does significantly less damage, since they’re far away from the boss. I speak from experience using this super for 50% of my Destiny life
Plus, what I would do that Ehoroar wouldn’t is use the super on a tank, since all crystals shatter with 100% damage.
And you can only use 1 slam, and you can calculate the rest of the damage just by multiplying the number of slams you can do.
This will calculate the maximum damage which is never going to happen.
Then I’ll test it on every other raid boss in the game
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I’ll keep you updated because Imma actually test this.
Wouldn’t the Titan stasis do better if you were farther back so the crystals actually break on the boss?
Yes he botted out pretty hard doing that one.
Yeah behemoth can deal some serious damage if you get the spacing correct
Yeah it's fantastic, incredible damage for a roaming super with fissures on
Using the titan glaive keeps all the crystals inside. Keeps all the damage on the boss
it helps against really big bosses like goliath tanks
Biggest surprise for me was how hard Arcstaff is hitting, I thought that super was in the dumpster for years now. Was very surprised to see that it’s the second best roaming super in the game at the moment.
He also didn't use the aspect for the aftershock right?
If you get the combos its actually crazy
all you need to do is put on raiden flux and that super easily is the most broken super in the game, especially in pvp
@@paradox1052 idk the thrown staff can yeet bosses right out of the game so that might be more broken
It has always seemed a little odd to me that warlock supers have such a history of being weak despite the Well issue. Because of the Well pigeonholing, one would expect the other supers to come across disproportionately low in Bungie's metrics and consequently they'd trend on the high side of power as Bungie tried to compensate using the wrong lever (buffing the non-Well lock supers). But instead, nope. Instead locks have a super that by design will lead to pigeonholing AND their others are underpowered as a cherry on top.
Gonna be honest, when it comes to star eaters damage, I can't complain as a hunter. But the numbers of hunter base supers just seem dreadful nowadays which makes me feel kinda left out of cool builds during proper encounters while still serving okay super damage. As far as I'm aware, hunter supers without exotic are currently a few of the lowest hitting burst supers in the game while even being easy to miss with things like blades.
Ig all classes have their unique identify of course but just kinda sad the majority of hunter gets steered towards a single exotic which has no particular fun build but is just the only practical way of getting an easy damage up
you can get more damage out of winter's wrath by right clicking before the second volley from the left click comes out, it will make the super a lot longer and still deal the same damage
Or maybe use two bleak watchers to do the freeze as the shatter consumes no super energy?
@@JefferyTrypes nope
@@dpw0499 Nope - like it doesn't work or it's not effektive or the shatter is consuming energy now? Thx
@@JefferyTrypes is not as effective as the main comment
Or just don’t use winters wraith? If you’re in a DPS encounter why aren’t you running well? There’s no raid encounter in this game that get significantly easier through stasis turrets. That is a GM thing
Dang. Nova bomb and GG (Nighthawk) really need some serious buffs.
100% agree. Nova Bomb is super weak and Nighthawk used to be great, but it looks sad compared to the rest.
Titan strand super would do a little more if you started with the heavy attack as it's already charged upon super cast!
A problem I've always had with videos like this, is people shooting off the one and done supers and directly comparing that to ones that last longer. The whole benefit to the one and dones are that you can then switch into weapon DPS. Like, yeah the arc supers for warlock are more damage than nova bomb, but you'd be crazy to think it's actually better options for boss DPS.
I'd like to see a video with all supers and their optimal set ups. Which includes weapons along with the supers. Since that's what people will actually be doing in fights
Right like on paper you’d want nova warp of the void ones. But it takes longer to charge and takes ages to deplete and get back to weapon damage.
That’s why he separated them by burst supers and roaming supers
Hey Ehroar! You need to redo a few of the Titan ones for the following reasons:
1. Fist of Havoc deals more damage on the slam when it is activated in the air. This is old functionality that is no longer mentioned, but is still (intentionally) in the game. Bungie mentioned it in the patch notes for Arc 3.0.
2. Behemoth does by far the most damage by spamming Howl of the Storm on a boss. (It also does more damage on a light attack followup than only heavy attacks).
3. Sentinel Shield does by far the most damage on the final hit in the 3-hit chain (basically double damage). If you are in the air, that final hit is on the second hit instead of the third. So jump a tiny bit before you attack to increase your DPS.
4. Burning Maul does more DPS and total damage on the spin rather than the slam. There is debate whether a slam first is better still because it immediately procs the tornado, whereas the spin only spawns one after three hits.
I don't think it will move placements much, but you did miss quite a bit of damage this way. I would expect Behemoth to rise a ton though. I bet it outdamages Blade Furry tbh.
You must use synthoceps for titans if you want to test the best damage. It was like using thunder crash without falling star
Yeah synthos with berserker super I feel like would be mandatory
Was he surrounded in the video?
Doesn’t work for this spesific boss. You need several enemies around you.
@@cmdrmeldoc59 if you leave the goblins alive, it will proc
@@Subsistence69 yeah for a few seconds, until you inevitably accidentally kill them while slamming the boss repeatedly.
So just as an FYI Golden Gun, for whatever reason, is currently benefitting from Kinetic Surge mods. If you lump those in with Night Hawk you get a substantial damage buff that seams to stack multiplicatively.
It is more then just Golden gun that is seeing major benefits as I have a friend that mains hunter so we think that it is Kinetic Surge that is bugged but knowing bungie they will nerf golden gun instead of seeing the true problem.
Huge shoutout to ember holding down the fort during the dps testing
For burning maul you only had roaring flames x2 and you should’ve done the light attack over and over. They added a feature where doing that creates a “fire tornado” or something, so that’s the way to go
Note: syntoceps boost super damage by 50% and is very powerful with hammers
Syntoceps dont work on ranged melees tho. Unless your talking about mual.
@hellkiller1213 it just buffs super damage when surrounded along side your melee and the range of the melee that's why mini hammer syntho is so strong
@@Hellkiller1213 synthoceps gives a +200% melee damage buff a melee range buff and a +50% super damage buff. The super damage buff works on ranged attacks as well. Biotic enhancements when activated lasts 8 seconds so even if the enemies around you die you will still have a decent chunk of your super buffed
Ah didnt know about the super part
@@cartermckinney3146 and only if he is surrounded by enemies…was he surrounded by enemies in this video?
If you are using exotics to make supers better, than you should’ve used synthos for titan roaming supers.
Wasnt surrounded
His videos have always stupic bad testing. He just half-asses everything everytime.
That wouldn't work, not enough enemies nearby
@@elijahwaggoner545 then, he should test on bosses that have mobs around, it would be useful for Atheon, Oryx, caretaker, etc
Also, he didn't use shadebinder's super correctly as so many have pointed out already. You are so supposed to right click instantly after left clicking. It makes it last almost twice as much.
@@Luvanweed I don't see how synthos really help here, and unlike hunter it's not a universal thing, it doesn't flat out increase every supers damage, and it's not very good on a decent number of bosses, it definitely puts in work but not in the same way starteaters do
One thing you can do on tether Hunter is use your smoke bomb to weaken the enemy before throwing your tether allowing for a bit more damage on the first volley.
Good video besides a couple supers being used incorrectly. For Titan stasis, you need to be slamming the ground and keeping the boss at the distance the crystals appear at, to instantly shatter themselves on the boss, otherwise damage is underwhelming. Titan void, it's much better to jump then melee as instead of doing the 3 attack combo, it just does 2 and 3 in the combo string, where the third does the most damage. Still accurate enough as a basis, but keep this in mind everyone!
More than half of titan supers tested were scuffed. Bro does not know how titan works
not accurate enough at all! He wasn't even using synthos for the roaming supers, and he used heavy instead of light attacks for burning maul on top of only have x2 roaring flames vs the x3 he had with hammer of sol.
Pro tip for stasis titan. Stand waay further back. You want the ice to form under the boss. With the correct crystal damage and range buff aspects on.
Broodweavers please remember! Before you cast Needlestorm if you CAN. Throw one of the charged melees because it procs unraveling on the boss THEN cast needlestorm, bit bigger numbers in dmg. Throw on swarmers for even more super dmg increase it's nothing outright insane like hunter strand super but it's pretty damn good
I have to ask, though, why test on a boss that can cause some hits to become immune, hurting the validity of the results? Quite a few of the supers had some part of them being blocked by the Wyvern's wings.
I saw a few bb hits regester immune because of that
The optimal Bladefury damage output is Heavy-Light-Light-Light. Heavy debuffs the boss, even though it doesn't string them up.
Great video. I'm surprised at how hard the Stabilizers hit. Honestly, I didn't think they'd break 300K.
It blows my mind that a Sunbracers main can solo 1.2-phase Riven while the other warlock supers can't even put a sizable scratch on a boss.
Watching this has made me realize they could (and should) release more strand and stasis supers. Light supers have variants. Give us some more for darkness!!
with behemoth you can lock the wyvern in the narrow corridor and land all of the crystals directly on him for the massive shatters super easily, sad we didnt get to see the numbers for that because it does NUMBERS
I'm gonna assume he doesn't play titan because he didn't know how to use behemoth super properly and also just completely forgot about synthoceps entirely. And also did burning maul wrong as well.
As a hunter main seeing this…warlock supers over all need a solid 35% damage buff and hunter strand being nerfed would be understandable. I don’t want that to happen! But I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it bc almost 1 million is insane. Then again you could argue it’s a SUPER, you SHOULD be doing nearly or a full mil in it. Supers should be stronger than weapons after all,
Keep in mind that most of the damage for hunter was tested using stacks from Star Eater Scales which specifically buffs all supers by 70% at max. 900k damage is based on a build made to prioritize super damage (on a roaming super no less). Without it, silkstrike sits at around 500k total damage which I think is fine given that it isn't long range nor is it a burst super. Nerfing that super to do less under those circumstances would put its base damage close to or on par with many burst supers' damage (which is the issue with most roaming supers in general as that makes them not worth running in pve over burst options given the time it takes to get to that total damage)
Balancing super damage based on stats from a build focused around super damage could cripple dps for builds that don't use that one specific exotic. You want supers to be viable without the exotic but enhanced with it rather than being too weak without the exotic and viable with it (which is how titans feel about the current situation with thundercrash and cuirass). I'd argue that other roaming supers need to be brought up to the level of silkstrike/berzerker rather than being nerfed.
Needle storm is usually better than Nova bomb when there's no adds for the needle to track to
and when it comes to bosses… that's almost always the case…
I’d really like it if skull of dire ahamkara boosted Nova damage, like it’s a relic, it does get some use for spamming nova’s. But I would not be mad if it was given an alternative function other than returning super energy that boosted Nova damage.
Similar to how Hunters get Scales, Titans have Synthoceps which increase both Melee and Super damage (and sometimes both apply to an instance of a super’s attack). You can save enemies that the other teammate would have aggro’d. This would let Synthos apply for each super, though be careful with the AoE supers as they could kill the enemies giving you your Synthos. It does have a pretty forgiving range of proc-ing the Synthos perk however, and lasts for like 5 seconds once conditions are no longer met, so take advantage of that.
I still think Falling Star is better for T-Crash than Synthos, but feel free to test if you want
Ideas for better Titan super usage:
For Behemoth, it’s damage is the crystals, which go everywhere. If you can keep the chicken stationary, use the Titan Glaive as the dome helps focus the crystal damage when inside of it (Selfu made a video on this too a while back)
As for Burning Maul, spamming the spin is best, even better with a sunspot made before hand for super duration. If possible, keep boss in the sunspot so you keep Sol Invictus.
Lastly FoH. I’d never use it, but the slam is the damage from it. It does exponentially more on the slam and aftershock it makes when used from the air, gaining more of a benefit the higher you are. You can also save time from falling by using the slam midair without moving
Fun fact to maybe help potential retesting, with Phoenix Cradle, Sunspots grant all benefits to allies with a doubled duration, including Sol Invictus. Therefore, more super duration for all supers that have a time limit. (Oh god the potential damage of Silkstrike, Chaos Reach, and Arc Staff would be nuts) Even though it would require more setup, it is still very possible in a real game scenario, and can make a very noticeable difference
This is not me trying to make it seem like I know more or something, it’s just my insight as a simple minded monkey from d1 days who still enjoys the punchy behavior. Sorry if it comes of as smart talk, this is just stuff I’ve noticed over my years of a crayon enjoyer. Hope it helps if you decide to test again, and hope it helps anyone who reads this
If I’m not mistaken, all roaming supers can benefit from Sol Invictus’ extended super duration when standing in a Phoenix Cradle Sunspot, so you could potentially hit even higher numbers
Like a Geomag Chaos Reach inside a Phoenix Cradle sunspot should last significantly longer
Oh dang that Behemoth test wasn’t that good, you don’t wanna be eating the boss’s ass you wanna be like 15 feet away
I remember when Dawn Chorus was sometimes a legitimate strategy for melting a boss, shame they had to nerf it.
They just buffed the damage by 25 percent and buffed the duration for lightfall. It does great damage again
@@hatchell18 not as much as it was before. It's still a nerf. No one is making dawn chorus destroying strike or raid bosses like before. The change is utterly stupid for dawn chorus. Why would I want more damage with my scorch when the purpose is to ignite them as quickly as possible. They should have just increased the ignition damage instead
@@felwinterpeak1674 bro it does almost 500k tf? It did more in this testing then almost every other warlock super and did more damage then both nova bombs. So wtf are you talking about?😂🤦🏻♂️
@hatchell18 clearly you are new, so check "Scrub, Ehroar " and anyone else's old video over dawn chorus. And you'll see that dawn blade with dawn chorus was able to kill taniks, Atheon, and get close to some other raid bosses.
That's the damage I'm talking about. When it was better. If they had to change it, they should have changed the scorch damage to ignition damage for dawn chorus. Who's going to sit there and let scorch damage build up on a enemy? No one. You use solar 3.0 to ignite enemies and heal. It's not meant for continuous damage.
@@felwinterpeak1674 no I’m not new.
It’s worth noting I do believe Burning Maul does more damage if you just chain the light attack over and over
This.
I usually use the slam just once for the burn dmg and then spin to win
@YoungLordAce Do you find you do more damage with the slam first then spinning, rather than just spinning the whole time?
also if you have roaring flames x3 instead of just x2 like he had. and synthoceps, which were absent from every titan super test
"Hunter, the one character that has a universal Exotic that buffs Super damage."
Titan w/ Synthoceps: Am I a joke to you?
You could have got a lot more damage out of Titan stasis if you were using it correctly. You need to be slamming at a range so the boss shatters the crystals. This gains a lot more Dps
Also would like to add that burning maul can really pop off if you are using the spin. Put on synthos and go ham
@@hucklelj1237 you're right maul can do a lot with just the spin attack. I thought he has gonna do just the slam then just the spin but guess not.
Golden Gun deals bonus damage if you are running Kinetic Surges on your legs. So you can get an additional 22% damage buff on GG alongside Radiant + Stareaters/Celestial Nighthawk.
PLEASE stop testing behemoth's super in melee range, you need to keep your distance properly so that the boss finds itself inside the two spawning crystal lines. The bigger and more static the boss, the bigger the damage is, and it's honestly fucking insane how much damage you can do against these types of bosses. The only problem of glacial quake is the cooldown, the fact that you can easily get oneshotted in it in GMs and that it's much weaker against flying or smaller bosses.
You should've done berserker with synthos. Bumps up to ~750k
Also curious to see arc staff with the exotic that buffs reflected projectiles, see how much that can do
You can boost GG with kinetic weapon surge, I think it's a bug but that can give you an extra 22.5% damage on that super
Thanks for the comparison. I just need to point out a few things here:
Chaos reach supposedly deal more damage to jolted targets, although I have not tested it myself. Also, the stormdancer chest exotic might give a better damage output compared to the tempest. Maybe that could be tested, too.
that is NOT HOW TO DPS WITH WINTER’s WRATH
2 things you need to use Behemoth super at a slight difference so the crystals pop up right below the boss and it deals much better damage. Secondly why didn't you use synthos for the titan roaming supers? Did you just straight up forget they exist?
I don't understand why people want to test supers with synthos, cos on 2/3 of bosses you can't even proc them so why bother?
@@morsperferro3419 it’s a damage test though, you have to test them with the same criteria. You can’t give some there peak while others are just used.
You said hunter is the one character that has a universal super damage boost, but Synthoceps give 50% extra damage for all Titan supers, and even more for the melee supers because the melee damage buff from synthoceps also applies while you're in super (on top of the 50% super buff).
But it only works if u r surrounded. Seriously, do none of u know how the exotic works?
@@mrlunar62 it's very easy to get surrounded and the perk last for 8 seconds even after no longer being surrounded. After having mained Synthoceps for almost 5 years, I can promise you that you will have that buff way more often than not.
@@ItsQshie I’m talking specifically in this situation where the only enemy u have is the boss.
You remember how Silkstrike used to have a sweet spot at the tip of the spear? Well Glacial Quake is the same way. The boss needs to be at the far end of your super where all the crystals spawn.
Hunter as a class is just on another level. I’ve been playing with all three classes back and forth and I just don’t have nearly as much fun with titan and warlock. Hunter feels like the main character of the classes lol
same, was on my warlock in momentum last week, had a whole solar build going and everything, but was struggling against hunters and titans, the second i hopped on my hunter (which doesnt have a build since i mostly main warlock) i was easily dominating every lobby i was in
I bet you are a pvp main. Hunter is really strong in pvp, but less fun in pve than warlock imo. Titan is somewhere in between.
@@orionmedivh5859 Titan main crying and throwing up (me). D1 were the days where titans were the best class imo. Lowkey feel like D2 don't love titans compare to the other 2 classes.
@@GurenHnStill fun to go monke on our enemies.
It’s sad that Titans only have one burst super. Appreciate the video!
If you could aim the Glacial quake a lot further so the boss can destroy all crystals, I think you can get as much damage as thundercrash or even more. It's really a powerfull super
I still feel like Nighthawk is a bit lackluster, especially considering you can sometimes outright miss the shot and do no damage (or is it half damage? i cant remember, havent used that exotic ever since solar 3.0 came out.)
These really should have their DPS values (as measured by the time between firing the last shot from a weapon before and the first shot after). Chaos Reach doing 492k can look good on paper, but it's barely outdamaging gun damage (if at all).
Its still decent if u aren't using the utmost broken things in game. 492k div by 9.5 give or take end around, 51.7k
@@griqs Less than a million on a boss is pitiful these days. 492K for the entire damage phase is a joke.
@@User-Ryan135 depends on how long ur dmg phase is.
@@griqs No, it's not. You can do more without using the super in the same time by using Izzy+ Rockets, Switching to all outbreak after you run out of heavy unironically does more than using Chaos Reach. You're completely talking out your ass, if it was a one time super then yeah, it's worth, for the 5-6 seconds it takes to get out? Not at all, an ALH Rocket + Conditional/Izzy is putting that damage to shame without even trying.
@@User-Ryan135 it's only game why u heff to be mad? It's not that serious btw. At the end of the day it can be used as utility so it doesn't matter that much. You have options to use something else
Would've loved to see thundercrash no chestpiece I think its ~180k, also for big hammer, you dont right click. only beyblade on a boss
Glacial, sentinel and blade fury have a specific combo to get optimal dos. Glacial is alternation between light and heavy, sentinel and blade fury is three light then one heavy.
with blade fury u start with heavy attack since it debuffs the boss for your light attacks + good initial dmg
no synthos for hammers, no accounting for tether adding a debuff for damage numbers, no kinetic surge for golden gun?
Spite dungeon boss is a wyvern and therefore takes double damage from abilities so just keep that in mind
Arc staff can do even more damage, i believe, if you cast it with stareaters and then switch to raiden
You did behemoth dirty, my man.
Edit. And what was that shit with burning maul?
ikr. Where synthos too
Floating backwards makes the knives from blade barrage group up tighter, super useful for smaller bosses, esp if there's an off chance you might hit a part of the boss that's immune. Not sure if floating forward does the opposite but i wouldn't be surprised tbh
Tip for Titans: on Burning Maul you don't spam the heavy attack like Eroar did. You want to spam the Light Spinning attack that ramps up the damage and spawns a solar tornado in every 3 hits, increasing substantially the damage of the super. It's still trash tho
lmao what? Burning Maul is one of the highest damage supers in the game if you actually do it right. he wasn't rocking synthos, was only at roaring flames x2, and didn't spam the light attacks that make fire tornadoes every three hits
Wouldn't your test make more sense if you used a boss that wasn't a chicken? Because of their innate DR, which could skew the results of elemental damage like Shatter, wouldn't it make more sense to fight an enemy more neutral?
Disappointed to see that he forgot to use Synthos on the Titan supers. Every single one except for Thundercrash should have higher damage.
Just commented before seeing this, blade fury is ridiculous with synthoceps
doesnt work? with what enemies surrounding you exactly?
You used the titan supers without Synthoceps but with hunter you used Star-Eater Scales, it isn't fair (you probably don't remember that Syntho also buff titan super damage). Also, for Glacial Quake titan roaming super, when the boss is too thin like the chicken, you could spam cryoclasm while you are on super, and if the boss is big like Morgeth or Golgoroth, you might spam the R2/RightClick, and always, with glacial quake you should try to spawn all the stasis crystals you can under the boss feets to make all of them break with the Synthoceps damage buff.
You can't proc synthos on 2/3 bosses in the game, there is no point in testing it with them, while scales can be used on any encounter and with any ult. But this testing was sloppy af anyway.
@@morsperferro3419 but he's testing the best possible. He's using Crown of tempest killing enemies before, because it's better killing enemies with arc abilities.
@@casualofcatarina8483 the thing is, you can use crown of tempest everywhere, cos it still does increace your super duration, same with scales, same with warlock's stasis gloves, etc, while synthos are extremely encounter dependant.
@@morsperferro3419 there's no increase on super duration without Conduction Tines multipliers.
You should’ve used synthos for all roaming titan supers. Especially glacial quake and burning maul. Burning Paul spinning attack does crazy damage with synthos. Strand titan with synthos pushes 700k damage as well
wait, does syntho buffs titan stasis super?
@@GabrielPiazentin syntho buffs all titan supers
I do agree that Warlocks need a universal super exotic like Synthoceps and Star Eater.
I bet warlock stasis could actually do some decent damage if you have multiple turrets freezing the boss and you just spam the shatter attack. Probably would still be worse than using weapons and definitely would be worse than Starfire but it's possible it could be decent
Didn’t realize Titans literally have exactly 1 burst super, that’s rough. Strand could have been a cool burst like titans weave an insanely massive fist and just hurl it at a target with some AOE damage. That would’ve been sick.
I find it strange that synthoceps weren’t used for the titan supers
i dont think nova bomb is bad. the other supers, aside from needlestorm, take a long time to deal their damage while nova bomb is just one quick throw. Which means you can also get damage in with your weapons before a dps phase ends and probably end with more damage overall
Could have doubled the Behemoth damage by supering earlier and stunlocking him in the door frame with the crystal shatter damage.
Doesnt Burning Mauls spin do more dmg then the heavy atk?
I think all supers in the game need to be looked at by Bungie and buffed. Some need slight buffs, some need major buffs. Especially on Titans to be honest. Most of the supers suck. They're only good for add clear. Nova bomb also needs a huge buff.
Worth mentioning that the numbers given are misleading for practical purposes, since Wyverns (Persys included) take increased ability damage.
I’ve been waiting for someone to do a legit test on these for a while. You’re the man
Just a note. You only had roaring flames x2 on burning maul, and spin the win is better dps. Also, glacial quake crystals need to be placed in front of a moving boss so it can walk into them and destroy the crystals. You slammed your crystals behind the boss. A bit tricky but crazy dps in the best case.
the reason no one cares if warlock supers suck for dps is because well exists. I've been sayng for a while now that we warlocks can't really compete with dps supers, but most responses were "well you don't need to because by using well you are amplifying everyone's dmg" needlestorm has certainly helped, but I would still like for well to be less dominant in the meta.
Solar hammer Throw had roaring flame x3 while maul had rf x2. Also the maul is supposed to be smashing the boss physically, While the ranged attack hits separately. It's bigger dmg than the hammers
Love the video Ehroar but the numbers are misleading since you use well for some instances and not for others. That is why the strand hunter damage is so much higher + other supers that used it. I get the survivability but either use it for all supers or none to keep consistency. Much love brother
Not sure how much it would add but you could use the swarmer boots to boost needlestorm by procing unravel
Homie did Titan dirty by not breaking any of the crystals on the boss itself on behemoth lmao also only had roaring flames x2 for burning maul, nor did he use synthoceps for any of the melee supers. Yikers
I can see Gathering Storm used by Divinity person hotswapped with Autoloading Hothead, even better with Lasting Impression since you delayed the damage and can buff your own rocket and super damage. You can also double dip with your Arc Surge to buff both your weapons.
Or just don't use div its bad
The only critique I’d have is to show that no surge is on anything and that some of the supers (seemingly, I could be wrong) get the radiance 25% buff and others don’t but overall super interesting to see how things have changed
Something to note as well with warlock needlestorm. You will also unleash any perched threadlings, and has a very high tracking rate(better than powered melees on warlock too). The burst potential for how quick needlestorm comes out is absurd in combination with 3-5 theadlings.
Seeing the other comments, theres a lot of room for improvement on double dipping extra super damage, thank you guys for figuring all these crazy combos out.
Man... have we really arrived to the moment-in-life of the game that not only Nova Bomb is actually the WORST burst Super for Warlock, but also that it is ENTIRELY outclassed by the supossedly unwanted stepchild of Nova Warp? Oh how low we have fallen, fellow Voidlocks... it really is a time of mourning U_U
I never realized that burning maul and acrstrider can stunlock bosses. That's interesting.
what I get from this is that most Supers (especially titan) can be min maxed a little more. Like Stasis Titan where you use the crystals as the dmg source, having roaming flames times 3 instead of 2, spamming the shatter on warlock super after you fire only 1 shot instead of 2 to increase the duration and so on.
So in total this creates a nice baseline for dmg testing, but it is also kinda unrealiable in what supers do what damage. It gets the point across which are the best and do most dmg, but in accuracy it still lacks a bit. That's a fundamental flaw when in testing. But again, the supers that are on top will stay on top, no matter how much you min max, so the reason for this test is fulfilled
Warlocks have NEVER had a competitive burst dmg super in franchise history. It’s about time they get something.
The best part of the video is where you compared all the burst super dps numbers for titan.
I'm pretty sure that for Burning Maul the spinning top is more dmg.
And you have to time glacial quake properly to have the wyvern walk into the crystals.
I’d be curious to see a starfire protocol well with witherhorde and a demolitionist heavy grenade launcher or rocket, but idk if that bosses damage phase is long enough to really see the total.
I agree the warlock burst supers could probably use some help, but I always figured a warlocks identity was more of a well-rounded utility class, but each subclass now plays a little differently.
Synthoceps is +50% to all titan supers while active, but ok
also spinning does way more dmg on burning maul I believe (and with 3x roaring flames, not 2x like in the vid)