Are Titans FINALLY Good Now? (Star Eater Class Item Supers TESTED)

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  • In today’s video we finally tackle how good the Titan and Warlock Supers are with the brand new Spirit of the Star-Eater Exotic Class Items!
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    I went into this testing session with hope - let Titans be good, and well, I wasn’t disappointed. The addition of having Feast of Light on both Titans and Warlocks is very welcome because it now automatically makes their supers 70% better (for the most part), which in the case of Twilight Arsenal now makes it very potent and I couldn’t be happier! Twilight Arsenal now hits for around 900k if the boss is pre-weakened, you have Facet of Courage procced and the Expanding Abyss Artifact Perk, all of which are pretty easy to do. Behemoth with Facet of Ruin also did very well with an impressive 1.4m but do keep in mind that this Super takes a while to finish and requires a large-ish boss. Warlocks are the most bonkers because with Apotheosis Veil, Incinerator Snap, Storm Grenade, Hellion, Facet of Courage and Shieldcrush you get around 2.6m damage which for Tractor Players and just in general is VERY nice. There are some other silly outliers like Stormtrance dealing around 800k and same for Hammer of Sol, but overall I’m very happy with the results, so please enjoy the testing!
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    0:00 - 0:56 Intro
    0:56 - 1:23 Expanding Abyss Twilight Arsenal
    1:23 - 2:18 Expanding Abyss + Facet of Courage Twilight Arsenal
    2:18 - 2:40 Note About Picking Up Axes
    2:40 - 3:35 Facet of Courage Hammer of Sol
    3:35 - 4:13 Facet of Courage + Cuirass Thundercrash
    4:13 - 4:54 Berserker 1HLLL
    4:54 - 5:30 Berserker 1HLLL1H
    5:30 - 6:29 Facet of Ruin + Shieldcrush Behemoth
    6:29 - 7:58 Facet of Courage + Apotheosis + Shieldcrush + Hellion + Tractor Song of Flame w/Snap & Storm Grenade
    7:58 - 8:28 Facet of Courage + Expanding Abyss Nova Bomb
    8:28 - 9:23 Facet of Courage Stormtrance
    9:23 - 10:39 Needlestorm
    10:39 - 11:24 Winter’s Wrath
    11:24 - 12:10 Facet of Courage + Star Eater Storm’s Edge
    12:10 - 13:22 Outro
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ความคิดเห็น • 596

  • @LlamaD2
    @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    NOTE - I forgot to adjust the Song of Flame showcase for Surges which when adjusted is around 2.1m (the value isn't exact because when this was filmed Solar surge was active but Arc was not, so the Storm Grenade damage can't quite be accounted for but it's around 2.1)

    • @Ysl489
      @Ysl489 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      What was the reason for using tractor for song of flame, when u tested all other abilities without a debuff?

  • @roryvanberkel4139
    @roryvanberkel4139 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    The inconsistency of the use of weaken in the testing was a little frustrating.

  • @curpin2180
    @curpin2180 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    Thunder crash being by far the lowest damaging Titan super and the second worst one tested in this video is actually so upsetting. It needs a PVE buff

    • @biggestandthetruth7862
      @biggestandthetruth7862 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Just play hunter bro

    • @outdose9997
      @outdose9997 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Tried to thundercrash the witness and got humbled

    • @andreymavian3400
      @andreymavian3400 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good job Hunters have Golden Gun to compensate

    • @KushiLungs
      @KushiLungs 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@andreymavian3400 Hunters aren't even powerful, they're literally broken now. Still Hunt + GG + Nighthawk is just so overpowered it's game breaking. Trying to match that on Titan or Warlock is quite literally impossible

    • @Blanktester685
      @Blanktester685 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      falling star would do more damage them the star eater class item

  • @saladgaming4339
    @saladgaming4339 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +162

    Twilight arsenal is pretty good but titans just need a good source of auto reload man

    • @dyslexicnut
      @dyslexicnut 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yesss please, one of destiny’s greatest strengths to me is gunplay, i love the feel of titan supers but i want to also shoot gun

    • @ring_flame2080
      @ring_flame2080 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      yeah my only issue with Twilight arsenal is the axes can do some funky things with their tracking like ive had one go backwards but once thats fixed they should feel good

    • @xb7778
      @xb7778 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      ​@@ring_flame2080I'm sorry... BACKWARDS

    • @RetroTSSoS
      @RetroTSSoS 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Don’t worry they just nerfed suppress reload 🙃

    • @Ragenzen
      @Ragenzen 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@xb7778 Yep. If an ad is too close, the axes will fling off in random directions instead of where you're aiming.

  • @GloverGaming3
    @GloverGaming3 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +85

    Here he is again calling the damage on Greg to almost exact numbers

  • @mingleman6616
    @mingleman6616 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +182

    i feel like titans got a little shafted this season

    • @ianmills6260
      @ianmills6260 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

      A little?

    • @TheWroms
      @TheWroms 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

      Little is understatement

    • @connormcateer7125
      @connormcateer7125 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      He literally showed titans have some of the higher end of DPS and that’s the biggest complaint people made bc of their lack of use in the day 1 that their raid viability was somehow bad. This is just not the case.

    • @-Benja
      @-Benja 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Nah warlocks did, titans can nuke whole rooms and stun unstop + overload with just 1 consecration all warlocks got was a arc soul

    • @lix6808
      @lix6808 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      @@connormcateer7125survivability is fairly bad, most of the time you’re forced into knockout consecration, which doesn’t really let people play the way they want, and almost every possible scenario titans would have been good in hunters stomp in.

  • @iranestrada7738
    @iranestrada7738 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +72

    Thundercrash needs a Buff...

    • @Alckee6904
      @Alckee6904 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Now you know how it feels to be a warlo- nvm pre nova bomb buff warlocks didn’t have a competitive burst dps super for +6 years… titans have had t-crash and Pyrogale is still competitive after for the past year.

    • @abhinavsuvinr7922
      @abhinavsuvinr7922 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Alckee6904needlestorm

    • @LittleCrowYT
      @LittleCrowYT 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@Alckee6904tcrash and pyrogale were situational at best, and behemoth is great but takes away from weapon damage. But outside of that it's always been warlocks and hunters on top for dps metals even when they haven't had competitive damage supers because they have so many other gimmicks they can utilize for damage rotations

    • @Lord_Hotdog
      @Lord_Hotdog 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Alckee6904 needle???????????????

    • @pj13246
      @pj13246 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Alckee6904prior to starfire nerf warlocks were easily the highest dps class in the game. After tge nerf, warlocks still had the best utility super in the game by a huge margin.

  • @OzoneEN
    @OzoneEN 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    Facet of courage doesn't even work on behemoth, so that damage is insane. If only there was a way to test behemoth with synthoceps

    • @pandacrafty
      @pandacrafty 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      It would just be less damage, synthos is +50% and the stareater used in testing is +70%

    • @noughtic8204
      @noughtic8204 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@pandacrafty Ye but wb like pop w/star eater hotswap to synthos to stack both?

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@noughtic8204 Something similar was patched on Solar titan (Pyrogale->Synthos) for what that's worth

    • @sinofwrath698
      @sinofwrath698 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Aztecross did a damage video

    • @nakarasblade
      @nakarasblade 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Behemoth super has always done super high damage, and got even better since shatter damage got doubled with final shape. It generally struggles a lot with inconsistency though with stasis crystals not getting broken or breaking far away from the target leading to low damage.
      If you can get the enemy into a bubble shield(either the one from their glaive or another titans) and spam the heavy attacks inside the bubble to maximize the shatter damage Behemoth has the highest total damage of any super though and does respectable dps. Finding a situation where its practical to do this is much harder though.

  • @Sabre5106
    @Sabre5106 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    While Stormtrance is obviously NOT something you should pick for boss DPS, I feel like it's pretty underrated in terms of what it can actually do lmao

    • @gascan7333
      @gascan7333 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      It is arguably the single best ad clear super, it’s just that ad clear supers are wildly unnecessary in this day and age. Stormtrance really used to be something.

    • @Hazelomg
      @Hazelomg 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gascan7333 sav edge first encounter its pretty good because its just all ad clear but thats about it sadly

    • @friendlyelites
      @friendlyelites 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Still would just use it with Stormdancers if you're gonna actually use it, it chewed through Arc Battleground GMs since you could just roaming super spam with your team constantly

    • @Hazelomg
      @Hazelomg 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@friendlyelites yea true tbh just other better supers to spam like tether or well

    • @stinkycheese4777
      @stinkycheese4777 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Chaos reach would’ve been so better

  • @Levigumba
    @Levigumba 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Needlestorm has been feeling that nerf ever since they changed the velocity of the needles without compensating the damage

    • @davidespinelli9649
      @davidespinelli9649 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      needlestorm does not have tread of evolution on .. thats why on prismatic is underwhelming.. base needlestorm is still better of base nova bomb.. so its just that on prismatic the are no buffs for darkness super damage and in particolar no tread of evolution for needlestorm

    • @marceletta
      @marceletta 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The velocity of the needles had nothing to do with the damage.

  • @Ragenzen
    @Ragenzen 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Hammers of Sol may need to be tested again at max distance. They made it so that if the hammers explode against a target too quickly they only have 4 explosions vs 5 after almost a whole second of flight time.

  • @Thebmanboss
    @Thebmanboss 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Bungie tomorrow “we are happy with the current sandbox however behemoth titan is performing a little too well for our liking when in combination with star eater scales we have adjusted this to only boost the melee dmg itself and not the shatter dmg also we are buffing the ascension aspect on hunter to have 2 charges
    Thank you the game team”

    • @Reapy7
      @Reapy7 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not boosting the shatter damage is criminal

  • @boysenbeary
    @boysenbeary 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    The real question is why is Thundercrash so mid even with cuirass lol

    • @abaddonmorningstar8871
      @abaddonmorningstar8871 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It has its uses for a burst of damage and positioning <
      the og berserker build

    • @VikingBP
      @VikingBP 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's how celestial had been for like 3 or 4 years

    • @alexcox9400
      @alexcox9400 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@VikingBPyeah golden gun is good even on its own. Thunder crash with curaise is worse than a base golden gun

  • @solruptoryt
    @solruptoryt 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    As a Titan player, I wouldn't say our class is 'dead' like a lot of players are saying. Its just that our options are either "one of the best builds in the entire game" with BoW & Solar Bonk or completely useless with Arc, Stasis & Void Titan.
    Prismatic Titan definitely needs SOME love though, be it with a buff to Knockout so that it can be refreshed or replacing Unbreakable with Controlled Demolition so that Prismatic has more sustain.

    • @Metarortiz
      @Metarortiz 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I think unbreakable should either proc volatile on it's own or give grenade energy back based on how much damage you guard rather than extra damage, i like using it but there's never a justified time

    • @user-nw8wo7gs2h
      @user-nw8wo7gs2h 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They should just go ahead and add banner of war with concexrstion

    • @thatonepenguinperson618
      @thatonepenguinperson618 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Metarortiz I feel like Unbreakable should gives your void weapons volatile and have a chance to convert enemy projectiles into ammo for you (Minor enemies = special ammo, Major enemies = heavy)

    • @brokenritzcracker9838
      @brokenritzcracker9838 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Titan isn’t dead but like.. the class isn’t in a good spot either.

    • @SSD_Penumbra
      @SSD_Penumbra 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Make Unbreakable give grenade energy back per enemy killed or % of damage blocked and swap Drengr's lash for Banner and Consecration for Roaring Flames/Hammer of Sol. That's all it needs. Take away the useless anti-synergy it has and replace it with stuff that ACTUALLY synergizes with the kit.

  • @tecnza
    @tecnza 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Titan Axes with Tractor cannon would have been over 1.2 Million since you wouldn't have to apply the debuff with the first axe . Add unravel to that if you want.
    If you want to compare damage, all supers must be done the same way and not one with all possible debuffs and another without any.

    • @dvb8637
      @dvb8637 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Now imagine that hunters can do 1.5 mil damage just with their melee. Smh.

  • @silentib1534
    @silentib1534 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

    Bungie, after gutting everything we've ever had for the last 2 years straight: "I wonder why Titans weren't popular in day 1"

    • @izanagisburden9465
      @izanagisburden9465 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      what were you going to do from last 2 years that would have worked in SE contest? most people shifted to hunter at Witness mind you

    • @abaddonmorningstar8871
      @abaddonmorningstar8871 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Because I exist and no other titan comes before me

  • @ogroguerc
    @ogroguerc 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Am I the only one just now realizing that Global Surges, like the Solar Surge at 3:20, applies to things other than weapon damage?

  • @Crembaw
    @Crembaw 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    This is the sum of it: Titans are amazing at adclear and melee, but so are Hunters and Warlocks now that Prismatic is here. I don’t like feeling as though I’m hardlocked to being ‘support’ or ‘gapfiller’ damage against the most important enemies in the game, regardless of class or whatever Bungie thinks about class identity. Titans may not have it as bad as Warlocks when accounting for that they’re hardlocked to Well of Radiance, but at least one or two on a team will get to use Needlestorm or Nova Bomb against the Witness without any real caveats or risks. Hunters have a huge collection of excellent single-point supers, Warlocks have several that are at least safe to use; Titans have two, and one of them is often either insanely risky or flat-out impossible to use. Go and use Thundercrash on the Witness, tell me how it goes. Twilight Arsenal is amazing, and I really like using it; I really wish I could feel good about using literally any other super on raid bosses at all. I love to support my team, I’ll throw on Bubble if I need to do so, but if I don’t need to, then god please at least let me help kill the bastard.

    • @Half-lifegunnar
      @Half-lifegunnar 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      As a warlock main for years I stopped using well except for traversal(wellskating) lumina give higher damage buff and I shouldn't be responsible for keeping you alive especially in dungeons. Certain boss strats do get an exception like swording crota tho

    • @abaddonmorningstar8871
      @abaddonmorningstar8871 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      titans are great at it. then give them still hunt and a roaming super. or so many other builds and they literally do it all
      i wreck bosses with synthoceps or wishful ignorance with berserker.

    • @shotty.
      @shotty. 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      dude is literally malding lmao, either drop a bubble & use your weapons for damage, focus on abilities & weapon damage, or just stop playing titan. It really isn’t that bad you need to cry wolf about it

    • @pj13246
      @pj13246 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@abaddonmorningstar8871you wreck patrol bosses you mean 😂

    • @abaddonmorningstar8871
      @abaddonmorningstar8871 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @pj13246 no I wreck chumps like you. Get lost

  • @ivan_domangaming9359
    @ivan_domangaming9359 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +86

    Bungie: nice, let's nerf titans even more

    • @Alckee6904
      @Alckee6904 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Titans after having the most busted subclass in destiny history for +8 months being able to solo entire raids, pantheon, riven etc.

    • @mackncheese1683
      @mackncheese1683 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@Alckee6904 Hardly. Hunters have been top dps in the game for 2+ years.

    • @renegade0524
      @renegade0524 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@Alckee6904 lightfalls over, wake up and live in the present

    • @abdalrhman7998
      @abdalrhman7998 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Alckee6904 they act like it wasn't strong lmao they literally made pve content that was hard for everyone else look like a joke and even with the nerfed strand titan someone 3 phased the SE second encounter boss also they are basically the best in pvp for 2 years now and it looks like its not changing any time soon since bungie don't wanna give void titan a real nerf like they did to strand hunter

    • @LaFlamaBlanca757
      @LaFlamaBlanca757 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      @@Alckee6904I wish someone like Llama Would actually address these ludicrous claims. Strand Titan was a premiere SOLO build that lost most utility when other fireteam members would arrive. After seeing most GMs, legend 50 waves, speed runs, and 6 man raid compositions neglect Titan it’s very hard to say they’ve dominated the endgame. Additionally, to call it the most broken build in the history of the game is woefully ignorant to the fact that hunters can do the same build with less set up and more damage currently. We just came off our lowest clad completion percentage of a contest raid ever by a very large margin.
      You can really tell who watched destiny vs who plays destiny. Streamers and content creators are doing their fans and the game a disservice letting this “strand titan OP” stuff get yapped daily with no intervention.
      Also, find me an aspect nerfed in more updates than banner in its less than year of existence. Let’s not even mention synthos…

  • @PapaAwiz
    @PapaAwiz 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    1 small thing. Not sure it would've made THAT much of a difference to overtake TA. But ideally if you're trying to get FULL dmg output out of Hammer of Sol, remember they just rebalanced it to basically have Full Court specifically on the prismatic version. To compensate for no Sol Invectus/Roaring Flames. So moving forward with each throw the way you did, was actually nerfing your output (because less mini hammers were spawning on contact). Basically you always want to throw from as far as possible. Maybe even actively walk backwards instead of forward.
    That being said not even remotely surprised that Behemoth outclassed all the other titan supers. If it has 2 feet planted on the ground, there is currently NO better option. & it's not even close.

  • @ToidiDestiny
    @ToidiDestiny 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    That other warlock had some exquisite drip, I'd say.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Agreed

  • @luckymec
    @luckymec 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Behemoth Titan with a Tractor would be some BIG numbers. Plus even more damage from shattering those remaining crystals!

  • @DerultimativeOzzy
    @DerultimativeOzzy 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Well, the good thing is that Star Eaters on Titan is really useful there too. Titans also finally got a useful damage dump super which in the worst case can still be useful to have for when people run low on ammo for a damage phase on bosses.
    Bad news is, you gotta be prismatic to make it worth it. Not the worst deal but I can see this becoming an issue in the future when the same supers on the original subclasses underperform because of a lack of prismatic exotic class item. Really curious how they plan to balance things in the long run.

  • @BrandonKistler7
    @BrandonKistler7 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    That 2.6 mill call was crazy!!! Almost to the dot!

  • @Shanus7900_
    @Shanus7900_ 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    even spicier if you get spirit of warrior on the other column and use like a bait n switch edge transit, when you come out of super you get a nice damage bump on your void weapons

  • @turtlegaming4103
    @turtlegaming4103 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    the testing was inconsistent, some supers you weakened with grenade or tractor (which I believe are two separate dmg buff%), some you didn't even weaken at all. For song of flame you used the warlock turret. Then act surprised when the numbers are a lot higher or lower when it was inconsistent.

    • @Logick
      @Logick 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah, he's not the best at testing.

    • @1HKNG
      @1HKNG 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      nade weakening is 15% while tractor is 30% or 35% i cant remember which

  • @patrickoakley7890
    @patrickoakley7890 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    The only reason Titans aren't kings of PvE is solely because Bungie can't separate PVP performance from PvE from the class. Titans are in a bad spot because of PvP. Period. It's not fair.

    • @CouchCit
      @CouchCit 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They're able to separate PVP changes from PVE changes, they've done it before.
      Also, if this was their philosophy then why isn't it applying to Hunters and Warlocks? Bungie doesn't seem to care about them being cracked in PVP and PVE simultaneously....

    • @knightbewion
      @knightbewion 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      last season in pvp only void and arc titan were seen used. solar, strand, and stasis were both bottom of the barrel/never picked across ALL classes and subclasses. solar and strand titan in pve tho? best options on titan with no alternative aside from curiass tcrash. early season now so its hard to read but its turning out that way again with even solar warlock beating out titan in pvp cause of hellion, purely from popularity.
      real reason is titan can't find any sort of role to fill that warlock/hunter don't do better outright, as well as no survivability to stay in and close which hunters now have in prismatic

    • @funnystranger3380
      @funnystranger3380 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@knightbewion you mean the heal helmet that fire buddy is trash in pvp you can walk away from it shots.
      Warlock pvp is literally void meh stasis good arc bad unless melee slide then meh. strand meh/bad prismatic is good if you do 3 melee slides if not meh. Solar still solar very good.
      Arc warlock literally have nothing besides the slide. Arc souls are OK but nothing to even be like omg use it more like ok cool kinda useful.
      Void is same thing, child is good very untrustworthy. melee meh
      Stasis is jus freeze god nothing else to say.
      Strand literally 👎
      Solar has movement good super good gernade and good melee. Overall very strong.
      New subclass is literally 3 Arc melee or you having fun

  • @Revision-Harrowed
    @Revision-Harrowed 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey, word of advice from a long-time stasis warlock main! While the super will never be good for DPS, you can cancel your stasis super's ranged attack midway through with the shattering burst in order to almost double the amount of shots you land. Its pretty useful for killing champs at the very least (before the changes preventing barriers from being frozen mid animation you could actually kill two in one super in a grandmaster), so i figure people should know! Of course, wrathweavers is also just better than stareaters, unfortunately.
    PS, if you're in a situation where you have multiple stasis turrets you dont even need to shoot a single target as you can farm shatters off of those, which can situationally increase the total damage by alot.

  • @MattYellows
    @MattYellows 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love the vid. I use your videos to show my friends that the new hunter super is actually good with star eaters. Thanks for proving a point for me lol👍

  • @m05513
    @m05513 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Something that hurt with the Hammer of Sol testing is that the hammers get stronger the further they fly. I think it was 0.7 seconds of airtime for the max damage boost (don't quote me on that), so watching you run at the boss while throwing the hammers hurt the damage you were able to do.

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Huh, TIL. If I'm reading the Data Compendium right it's a buff at 0.7s airtime and another at 1.4s. But could be wrong

    • @dave7474
      @dave7474 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@life-destiny1196it is 2 buffs. the 2nd one massively increases the hitbox size too. You can actually see the hammers get larger mid flight!! There are visual indicators for each flight timer

    • @shotty.
      @shotty. 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      he probably would’ve done more with pyrogale lol

  • @zeromech1450
    @zeromech1450 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Twilight arsenal is really close to being super fun. I feel like its tracking is hard to predict and its animation is really slow.

  • @peterlewis2785
    @peterlewis2785 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I did get a star eater/ eternal warrior with Twilight arsenal and any void heavy is absolutely hilarious

  • @rdraken
    @rdraken 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah. In my experience the Glacial Quake has had a really high damage however the actual number does depend on how many times the ice shatters on the opponent. If they move around at all and leave the sweet spot it falls off hard.

  • @SOU7EATER
    @SOU7EATER 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think a solid quality of life change or buff, is that after you finsih casting you will still have a axe to throw and the other two spawn near where you cased the super.

  • @blackyonbi
    @blackyonbi 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the VERY few changes id do to prismatic titan is to keep the little baby hammer and exchange the shield throw for the shield shoulder charge.

  • @basic-decaf
    @basic-decaf 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Crazy that the easiest super in the game, Nova Bomb, which requires no exotic, no prep, no precision hit, can hit from a distance, auto tracking enemies high and low, and fires instantly so you can go back to using your weapons, does more damage than basically everything else.

    • @sourakotsos
      @sourakotsos 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Or it does not track at all. Either it will start tracking the wrong enemy in mid air and do a 180 degree angle to get the scion that is far away from the boss, i am aiming or it will forget to switch on the tracking and fly in the distance. But when it hits, it hits hard.

    • @funnystranger3380
      @funnystranger3380 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@sourakotsos don't forget it eats all your shots if it not a close boss

  • @kieranroberts4571
    @kieranroberts4571 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The great thing about song of flames is you can be the tractor player

  • @itsnemako
    @itsnemako 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    just an FYI, you can get much more damage out of Winter's Wrath by inputting the shatter attack right after the freeze bolts, which only shoots out two projectiles instead of four which saves a lot of super energy. regardless the super does more damage with Ballidorse than Star-Eaters so it's not really relevant to this video but for future testing you may want to keep this in mind :p

  • @GoodOlKappaTea
    @GoodOlKappaTea 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I got a star-eaters plus eternal warrior roll. It's nuts. I need to do a dps test.

  • @eri_sister_of_aerial
    @eri_sister_of_aerial 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The main issue i see with Song of Flame is that while its damage is incredible it takes much longer to pump it out over something like say Nova Bomb for warlock or Twilight Arsenal for titan. And it is a damage loss if youre using apotheosis spam after the super ends. Id say that for titan being able to one and done with Eternal + Star Eater with a void loadout is so good because you get x4 surge for void for 30 seconds which means you can absolutely run scavengers instead of surges and just pump out the damage with a damn good void heavy and special setup combo

  • @xTheLostLegendx
    @xTheLostLegendx 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You forgot to buff needlestorm with the threadling aspect.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I can't do that because the Class Items don't work on non-Prismatic classes.

  • @KushiLungs
    @KushiLungs 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thunderclap can hit over 100k damage in a single melee atk with the point contact cannon brace before the exotic trait even kicks in. The twilight arsenal has decent damage but what makes it efficient is the relics it drops

  • @zachdelaney7064
    @zachdelaney7064 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Syntho titan with prismatic, stasis grenade arc melee fragments around health regen on melee hits dmg reduction, increase light ability damage against targets debugged my darkness ability’s and the one that increases melee and grenade regen from both dark and light abilities, stasis lance and amplified aspects, galvanic armour and others I forgot from artifact melee is basically mini nukes and better combinations from class mod which I don’t have, this sound any good ?

  • @_Gortie
    @_Gortie 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    From certain dps standpoint, left clicking after picking up then right clicking when ur axe has 1 charge left, ups dmg pretty well.. I don’t believe you need to back up to throw it but I know it’s not practical.

  • @truv_
    @truv_ 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    many titans are typing all at once rn

  • @kostas13524
    @kostas13524 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Im pretty sure the strand warlock super number is right, its just that it only applies to the actual super and not the threadlings spawned from it, wish we had some fragment to buff up threadlings.

  • @arkenzoo2760
    @arkenzoo2760 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If u wanna remove 25% from the total number u have to take the total number*0,75. It is not the same when u take it divided by 1.25. when u take/1.25 u get 80%. so u would do that if the surge is 20% but the surge is 25%, right? Then u have to take*0.75. For example 0.75*500 is 375 wich means we removed 25%, while 500/1.25 is 400 which means we only removed 20%.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Incorrect.
      Let's say that normally my gun does 100 damage, which means that with a surge it does 100*1.25 = 125 damage.
      If I wanted to find out what the damage was WITHOUT surge I would do 125/1.25 = 100, the same original number.
      If I did 125*0.75 I get 93.75, which isn't correct.

    • @arkenzoo2760
      @arkenzoo2760 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LlamaD2yeeess finally I got a half-famous TH-camr to a answear my comment. Didn’t realise I had to write something bs that isn’t true to be replied otherwise they never reply

  • @eri_sister_of_aerial
    @eri_sister_of_aerial 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The exotic class item combo you want for titan is Spirit of Eternal + Spirit of Star Eater which was my very first roll.

  • @Basuhearts
    @Basuhearts 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What happends if u pop tcrash with star eaters then swap to cuirass in middle of activation?

  • @CouchCit
    @CouchCit 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Appreciated the tests and all but how/why did you only use Tractor for the Warlock's super??

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Really just wanted to emphasize how strong it is with everything stacked up, I normally don't use Tractor but I was quite excited about this one!

  • @alexarrowsmith9996
    @alexarrowsmith9996 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice testing! Only thing I thought was odd though was not using any sort of weaken in the Thundercrash hits, while some other supers you opted to add in a weaken when normally it wouldn't have one. That makes the final numbers in the end a bit misleading as TCrash could easily move up a couple spots with a weaken effect.

  • @samcraig5824
    @samcraig5824 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Cool video! I’ve been excited to see how Twilight Arsenal stacks up 👍🏼
    Could I recommend turning off or lowering the volume of in game music for these videos? It’s a bit jarring to hear the battle music with the lofi.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah apologies I forgot to turn off the game music for some of the clips in this video, won't happen again!

  • @jamesohagan2529
    @jamesohagan2529 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would the titan frenzy blade melee put the darkness debuff on him for the super?

  • @stinkycheese4777
    @stinkycheese4777 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The other problem with Titans is that they’re supers and aspects/fragments with the weapons doesn’t feel like there’s good like damage rotations swapping the weapons with super sonic flame. You can do that Hunter you could do that tether, etc..

  • @oak410
    @oak410 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would be sick to see these numbers reflected without seasonal adjustments & surges.
    Makes it easier for us to apply to our specific situations & makes your content rewatchable in a few weeks

  • @das_Schlingel
    @das_Schlingel 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a question I thought that surges don’t work on Super beside that one time that Goldy could get more damage from Kinetic Surge. So what do you mean with surges ? Do you mean the artefact mods ?

  • @aelfgernon7729
    @aelfgernon7729 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would have been nice to get the number for including the axes on Twighlight Arsenal, for the few bosses we fight point blank.

  • @FlaminSarge
    @FlaminSarge 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Is Needlestorm damage jank due to Star Eaters only applying to the initial damage tick instead of to the threadlings exploding?

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah I don't think the Threadlings count

  • @yourbrojohno
    @yourbrojohno 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You wild for having ikelos shotty on and not testing trench barrel with the buffed snaps.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm wild

  • @giantslayer9335
    @giantslayer9335 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Imma spout a real hot take right here.
    Twilight arsenal’s axes, both the initial throw and the axes leftover, should apply the max 30% reason. All versions of tether already do this with one having a quicker cast and higher damage potential and the other having much higher uptime and ability to add clear, on top of the orb regen.
    Twilight arsenal applying the higher Weaken would offset its weakness of its longer cast time, and titans would have a support niche of applying Weaken to bosses for a good duration while not sacrificing heavy.
    Yes, I could absolutely see Bungie making an exotic that turning twilight arsenal from a 3 hit to a 1 hit high damage super, same as celestial (and hopefully with some perks for the neutral game, looking at you Cuirass) but I still don’t think that would invalidate tether as tether in any case would still be amazing for horde clear and suppression. Legend Onslaught anyone?

  • @NnNeo-ql2kq
    @NnNeo-ql2kq 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What are those armors ornament set? Look so nice

  • @TadyGloo
    @TadyGloo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice, does the synthoceps on exo class item allow its 50% damage bonus on super ?

    • @MrMartinio
      @MrMartinio 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nope

    • @TadyGloo
      @TadyGloo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MrMartinio Thank you :^)

  • @rhn4710
    @rhn4710 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the problem with behemoth is that it's very situational, it messes with other people's dps and crystals spread around quite a lot. Bubble behemoth was nice for things like caiatl but we can't have that of course. Bring a supremacy with enhanced tremors, two quick hits will make the explosions shatter the remaining crystals for a good chunk of damage

  • @acehardlight1325
    @acehardlight1325 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Isn't the Baldefury combo 1H4L1H? The 4th light attack has less of an end lag so you can combo into a heavy almost straight away. Idk if this is more dps/total damage though

    • @warv6552
      @warv6552 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, if you do 4L there’s no delay into the heavy like you would with 3L. The only bad part is that the 4th light doesn’t get the suspension damage buff but the dps is still higher than 3L1H

  • @toochill8363
    @toochill8363 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Trying to farm for Eternal Warrior and Star-eaters since Eternal Warrior buffs weapons that match your super after you use it.

  • @zeqqyboi2081
    @zeqqyboi2081 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    so sad my strand titan is ass compared to my shitty prismatic hunter melee build, after 1 liars handshake kill its already doing more damage

  • @wileycorgi4138
    @wileycorgi4138 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What would be the best to pair up with Star Eater? Synthos?

    • @counterplay7696
      @counterplay7696 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      you can't sadly

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Synthos is in the same column so you can't do that but my recommendation would be Spirit of the Warrior to give yourself x4 surges for void weapons for 10 seconds after casting.

  • @ITheNameless
    @ITheNameless 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    On Winters Wrath instead if shooting twice the freezing blast you can shoot once if you shoot and spam shatter increasing damage by at least 80%.
    Also, try Ballidorse Wrathweavers

  • @tradingmouse9751
    @tradingmouse9751 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also for dps testing the stasis super you should have used a titan glaive for a bubble

  • @LaFlamaBlanca757
    @LaFlamaBlanca757 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also testing star eater/apotheosis hit lot star eater/eternal warrior just seems like purposefully stacking the numbers.

    • @LaFlamaBlanca757
      @LaFlamaBlanca757 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not to mention tractor with one solar super but not the other stasis super. So not even getting abyss as an excuse😂😂😂 like did Bungie give you directives on this? Talk about number stacking

  • @bodacioushamster4526
    @bodacioushamster4526 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Finally cure-ass of the falling star

  • @ItsAMeeb
    @ItsAMeeb 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How does ballidorse compare to Star eaters for stasis 'locke?

  • @austingarner7740
    @austingarner7740 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Titans literally owned destiny for the last year. Idk why everyone loses their mind when a different class gets done love rather than there’s. Titans are still OP.

  • @LaFlamaBlanca757
    @LaFlamaBlanca757 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Running feast x 6 and doing stasis titan in ground bosses is very viable damage especially with a debuff. 2nd encounter salvations i currently about 1 mil over everyone per phase with simple tractor/super.

  • @raventhegreat8165
    @raventhegreat8165 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +411

    TLDR: Just play hunter

    • @TargetSniper365
      @TargetSniper365 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

      Cope. Warlocks have the highest one and done burst super now. Stay mad that your only relevant encounter is the witness clown

    • @arjunbaweja7755
      @arjunbaweja7755 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

      Currently the best ranged and best melee class for dps. I will say that Titan has the best survivability across…
      Oh??? What’s that? Ah hunters can get frost and woven mail wonderful

    • @vezrien
      @vezrien 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +114

      Woah, TargetSniper365 got triggered.

    • @Vaduroth
      @Vaduroth 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@vezrienna hunters are cooked

    • @TargetSniper365
      @TargetSniper365 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@arjunbaweja7755 No one cares about melee builds in endgame bud not when a warlock can lock down and nuke a room from a safe distance. Also once again aside from the witness warlocks have the best burst supers in the game. One GG with nighthawk is about 470k but a nova here is 927k. Even when the artifact rotates thats still smoking trash can GG. Witness is dominated by hunters yes but everywhere else no lmao

  • @FFrank3000
    @FFrank3000 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just wondering, what ornament are you using for the arms on titan?

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They're the Gauntlets from the Vault of Glass raid

    • @FFrank3000
      @FFrank3000 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LlamaD2 Thanks!

  • @juancrangel6553
    @juancrangel6553 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Glad that nova is finally usable for dps

  • @choloeseguay
    @choloeseguay 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would be really cool if you would leave a DIM link to the best build you tested in the description

  • @SOU7EATER
    @SOU7EATER 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    is it possible to Cuirass of fallen star and Star eaters on the class item

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      No

  • @chaoticsaay8133
    @chaoticsaay8133 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tbh you never actually activated facet of courage if you had the slice perk on the Call you could have ground dash to activate the debuff and use Facet of courage

  • @oddkikisdragon1833
    @oddkikisdragon1833 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Isn’t hammers worse, cause u don’t have roaring flames or sol invictus to self buff before exotic armor?

  • @DanYami
    @DanYami 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    *new subclass unlocked*

  • @largepurplemonkey
    @largepurplemonkey 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    An exotic that recalls one of the Twilight axes would be nice. Chucking them is fun, trying to duck under Greg's gooch to pick them back up again isn't as much fun.
    Personal hygiene is important Greg... 😒

  • @brotherelf
    @brotherelf 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Did you take the surge off the warlock test?

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I forgot to, it's more around the 2.1m range without surge, I updated a pinned comment to let people know.

  • @tristment2020
    @tristment2020 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think an eternal warrior/star eaters combo would be the way to go for titans

  • @Backsquatch
    @Backsquatch 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Has anyone tested if Wishful Ignorance buffs the strand Super?

  • @abrahamlincoln4186
    @abrahamlincoln4186 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thumbnails a hot topic at the time

  • @heretomars
    @heretomars 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    my goat

  • @iron883bb8
    @iron883bb8 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Was he actually activating Facet of Courage in the beginning? I'm not sure he had unraveling rounds

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I was! They're just a bit hard to see.

  • @angelt8530
    @angelt8530 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If youre running Euphony you should be on Strand Subclass and Needlestorm should do more damage and maybe im not too sure more damage than with star eaters

  • @theef143
    @theef143 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Should also subtract the extra damage from artifact mods if youre going to disallow surge benefits.

  • @SlyRocko
    @SlyRocko 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It is kinda tragic that Prismatic Titan's neutral game is either consecration or bust in endgame.
    I feel like if Titan had Controlled Demolition's Volatile spam or Into the Fray's long lasting Woven Mail then they would be much better tanks.

    • @yaboyospoons7570
      @yaboyospoons7570 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I don't know why they gave us Unbreakable over Controlled Demolition outside of it being the new toy. GIVE TITAN CONTROLLED DEMOLITION BUNGIE! IT'S NOT EVEN THAT GREAT ON VOID JUST THE BEST OF THE WORST!

    • @brokenritzcracker9838
      @brokenritzcracker9838 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Should’ve been sol invictus and banner of war. Even then prism hunter would be better

  • @itzvast4610
    @itzvast4610 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would have preferred you do all the testing without weaken or artifact mods as it would show the baseline of each ultimate. I just feel doing the math after having the base number would be easier.

  • @MattYellows
    @MattYellows 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can't wait for my AP VEIL/STAR EATERS bond with dragons breath and song of flame. Will be unstoppable. Just ap veil I was able to solo spire boss easily

  • @titan_main
    @titan_main 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    star-eater + eternal warrior is gonna be good on void surge

  • @mitchbeast1246
    @mitchbeast1246 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I got spirit of star eater with spirit of the warrior and it's very good!

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I want this!

    • @mitchbeast1246
      @mitchbeast1246 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LlamaD2 I wish you all the very best in your RNG. Can’t wait to use it on the Witness during void surge

  • @stinkycheese4777
    @stinkycheese4777 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Btw warlocks with song of flame and dragons breath with cataclyst is like 2.6 million plus cause the rotation auto reloads

  • @r1lovin
    @r1lovin 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bungie not adding banner for prismatic is criminal. Basically not playing Titan over lock and Hunter

  • @stinkycheese4777
    @stinkycheese4777 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All of us thinking how prismatic titan only has the super to go on? It’s sad

  • @user-nw8wo7gs2h
    @user-nw8wo7gs2h 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just curious why only the warlock with some singer got the tractor cannon