Great video !!!. I downloaded the 2 files. a) The first thing I noticed is that the Nikon one has a little bit more light (+ 0.4 exposition in C1) although it was shot at 1/100 (Canon was shot at 1/80). b) I see more detail on the Nikon, I selected 3 points: 1) The wall at the left of the big boat ( white/blue/rusty one) 2) The surrounding area at the light blue car (between the two houses (again the walls, the red window and the bars )) 3) The church tower (look at the bell, I see it with more detail again in the Nikon one) c) I can see more purple halo at the bars in the Nikon file (Rosedale hotel bars) d) I used Capture One to analyze the 2 files using zoom from 100% to 400% (When you reach 400% you can notice the difference of those 5MPX that has the Canon) There is no doubt the two cameras are incredibly great and for the usual pictures on most situations I would pick either the D850 or the 5Dsr with no difference for excellent results. Thanks for your effort of making this great content, best regards from Argentina !!!
Just picked up a used 5ds for b cam at half the price of my worst lens. It is fantastic. I loved my Nikon but these days if the shooter knows their glass and exposure then the results will be perfect from pretty much any camera since 2015. 50mp gives maximum flexibility in raw. I shoot between f5.6 f11 in my work anyway…. Both cams win even in 2023.
Cool to see a video like this one this long after both cameras have been released! I own a 5DsR and personally mostly use it with Zeiss Milvus lenses - a very good match, those Milvuses blow most Canon L optics (except the very long lenses that are still king in their category) out of the water when it comes to both sharpness and other optical parameters (their drawback is no autofocus, though). I still shoot the 5DsR and any upgrade from there would be going into the medium format land (e.g. GFX). A significant drawback of the 5DsR compared to D850 is the signal-to-noise ratio. As is quite visible on the images in the video, the D850 has far less noise in the shadowy parts of the images. That is something I need to do bracketing and exposure stacking to compensate for - and it is not always an option for moving subjects.
Just downloaded and reviewed both images provided and for me it was obvious right away that the Canon image was sharper. But, I've never heard any 5D shooter OR D850 shooter be convinced their model wasn't the best. Great show again guys, thanks for providing the content. Cheers!
Stepping up from a Canon 70D when I started I then purchased the 5DSR and haven't looked back. The detail in the 5DSR is incredible and being a 6 year old FF camera still blows away almost everything else. Most comparisons of the 5DSR compare the video, FPS etc when it clearly is a stills camera. Excellent comparison without highlighting bells and whistles. I of course favor the 5DSR in this test. Also using Canon L lenses really makes the 5DSR shine.
Thanks for your input Michael. You might find that some of Sigma’s Art lenses are noticeably sharper than most of the Canon L lenses, do well worth trying out.
Another great show, thank you. I will give the RAW files a download and take a look! I have to say over TH-cam at 100% the Nikon had it for me (which is hard to say as a Canon shooter!)
Cheers Nick. For me, it is far more enjoyable using this type of camera than a modern digitial one. With large format film, you biuld up to a moment which has tension and meaning - something totally missing with digital. Thanks for watching (Marcus).
Exactly. Irrespective of which system you use, you then build up your equipment around that. Then something else comes along that's promoted as superior. Very few people have deep enough pockets to change systems, especially when something 'better' will come along tomorrow.
@@PhotographyOnline The focus peaking of the Nikon 850 can be turned off, the selftimer can be set at 2,5,10 or 20 seconds, you can use iso 64 for even better results etc..
1st and 3rd Sunday are auto repeat Photography Online TH-cam videos. I think my dogs are starting to get the hang of it too! What a joy to see my images this past week, thanks!
Yes, like many here have testified to your show I will add that is very comprehensive and with a variety of topics. There is a lot of good information in the videos and I also like the locations you chose for the imageries. Yes keep the show alive and do make more of it. I downloaded both files and I like the Nikon file, it is more vibrant and it is easier to pull the shadows w/out loss of details. I noticed that the Canon is alright except noise pixels do pop up in the shadows more and I had to raise a bit the light overall. Cheers.
Hi team, although I don't worry about the very fine differences between cameras, I would be interested to see Marcus test the original Sony A7R against the Canon and Nikon. Thanks if you do and no worries if you don't!
Hi Derek. The Sony has been suggested many times, so it is on our list. It’s not easy for us to get hold of a demo copy though, but we keep trying. Thanks for watching
This show is basically a BBC production in terms of quality. They even managed to somehow teleport Hazel Irvine from the 90's to do the main presenting.
I have the Mamiya Press Super 23 with only 'Back' movements BUT here in ESSEX the LIGHT never lasts the same for long enough to mess around for so long doing the movements !
My only question on the Canon 5Dsr vs Nikon D850 segment is why wasn’t the focus peaking wasn’t turned off on the Nikon as it doesn’t seem an entirely accurate or fair comparison fully manually focusing one lens on a camera you are used to and letting the focus peaking of the Nikon decide what’s sharp for you on the other when you already stated that you don’t trust focus peaking.
Hi Toby. If you watch the feature properly then you will see that that part of the image I use to focus (the green text) has no focus peaking. So turning it off wouldn’t have made any difference. Are you suggesting that the Nikon image is not properly focused? (Marcus)
I wasn’t suggesting it was not properly focused just that the exact same focusing technique wasn’t used to make the comparison as close to 100% equal as possible. It’s more me nit picking as both images would look great at a normal viewing distance.
Great demonstration on the large format camera, very interesting. On the Canon vs Nikon, I loaded them into DXO PhotoLab 4 using default settings but with the auto exposure adjustment (smart lighting) turned off. I couldn't see any practical difference between the two as far as sharpness and detail was concerned except for the obvious due to the Canon having slightly more pixels. The difference in exposure though is very clear with the Canon darker (with more contrast) than the Nikon, which may explain your finding on the Canon apparently providing better sharpness in low contrast areas. Choosing the most pleasing, at least on my monitor, I would go with the Nikon (I would, I am a Nikon shooter).
As usual, an excellent show that I really enjoyed. I got started in photography in the late '60s, and in the early 70s was well into Large Format and The Zone system. Your Analogue Affairs brought back so many good memories. Your King of Cameras validates what I was teaching in photography in the late 70s thru 2011, the differences in the camera brands and models is more about how a particular camera feels and operates in the photographers hands and eye than the name that is written on the front. Equal model grade to each brand will have comparable results. Sure, one will always be better in some miniscule way, but seeing it in the final image may be extremely hard to see. Excellent comparisons.
Very well made, interesting moderation, great landscapes, useful technical feedback, etc. a great channel! Skye has just moved to the top of my bucket list! Greetings from the foothills of Mt. Fuji
Another great show. Enjoyed the large format section, something I will probably never try but a great section to the show. Good advertising for the Spudz cloth too - yes it worked, I bought one !
Another interesting and informative episode - thanks to all involved. Hope you have enjoyed some of the summer weather you guys have been having up there. really looking forward to the next session.
The Nikon image is a more "digital" rendition slightly over sharppend. In darker areas with lots of erratic details the Nikon seems to show more detail. In lighter areas with same details, the canon seems to define them better. In plane white areas, the canon due to its better white balance gives a more realistic impression and details are better reflected (White House) Yet the Nikon handles moire much better as you can see from the roof above the blue window. The canon does bad there. There is some fringing in the water too. The Nikon does better there. But the main thing is the overall colour and general rendition. The more digital image of the Nikon tends to saturate and sometimes change colours. The canon is more loyal to the real thing and has some slight weaknesses like those mentioned. It's funny noting that Nikon's details that seem better defined can lose that edge when viewing at 200% or more. That means there is oversharpening. I think both cameras are great, the Canon is the better sensor, but it's more likely to obtain a better image from the Nikon if you are not too orthodox in the setting. So most of the times in real life you might get better images with the Nikon. But if you post process pretty accurately and take the time for the shot the canon is better. It's just a more manual thing. I've owned and love both.
Could you please drop the analogue/film photography topic? And also DSLR gear review. Those cameras are (almost) discontinued by the major manufacturers. Don't want to see this wonderful show to get discontinued.
Sorry RawSashi, but film photography is really popular right now so we’ll be doing more of it in the future. You shouldn’t dismiss it, as it is where all the fundamental skills of photography are found. Just because we do a feature wit a film camera doesn’t mean to say that digital shooters can’t learn or apply the same principles. As for the DSLRs - while they may have been “almost discontinued”, they still beat anything new, which is the whole purpose of this feature - to bring awareness that newer is not always better. Hope that makes sense.
@@PhotographyOnline Thank you for the reply. I'm not dismissing film and I can understand the fun behind it. To include it in every show, I think the popularity is overestimated! The fundamentals on photography are exposure and composition. Where exposure requires the technical and composition creative skills. You can certainly learn/explain this by putting a blanket over your head behind an apparatus like the one in this episode as well as on any semi professional digital camera. No offense, just trying to give a constructive feedback. Looking forward for part 2 of your show.
Yet another great episode from the team and well done to Marcus for the great content. After reviewing both images at home I found the 5Dsr is the clear winner in the low contrast areas and both cameras are so close in the high contrast areas., but in the end after viewing the registration plates of the 4 parked cars on the right hand side of the image at 200% I would have to give the crown to the 5Dsr. Not bad for a camera that is 2 years older than the D850. I would also like to thank Photography Online and GadgetBag for the Alpine Spudz Lens Cloth which arrived yesterday. It's a quality product and now if I need a cleaning cloth in a hurry I no longer have to remember which pocket I put it into. Cheers team.
What a brilliant episode. Ticked many boxes for me. Would love to get back into large format. One word of warning though. If you are new to the hobby or don't have deep pockets, do not be put off by the pixel peeping comparison of the Canon and Nikon beasts. Yep, they are amazing bits of kit but you can buy consumer models at far more affordable prices and still take amazing photographs. Like wise, there are film cameras floating around on auction sites which will cost you pennies in comparison and still perform well. I used to know a guy who was a target shooter. Every week he would turn up to the club and produce a new Gucci rifle. Cost him a fortune. However he still couldn't hit a barn door. The only good thing was he became a great source of nearly new kit! So my challenge to you lovely Photography Online people is to do an episode where you all have a set budget to buy a digital or film camera from Ebay or similar and battle it out with these cameras. I reckon you could get a Canon EOS 600 series analog camera and a lens for well under £100 for instance, or a Nikon D80 and a lens for under £200. What do you think?
As always I loved the short show that always has lot of interesting things to share with us photogs....my question/comment is for Marcus and the large format shot at the start of the show.... The finished photos was quite nice but the photo eye in my head was curious as to why you cut off the left side/edge of the building (at around the 11:40 mark).....choice or accident?? Love you guys and good luck at the up coming photo show....
Hi Edgar. This was intentional as to centralise the building made it too claustrophobic on the 90mm lens, but when I used a shorter focal length there was too much foreground. I couldn’t move forwards or backwards due the wheel, so I decided to exclude the left side of the building to get the correct balance between the wheel and the house. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching. (Marcus)
Nikon seamed to have better details in the shadows initially, however it had less details in the whites. Once I brought the exposure down slightly they become almost the same really. BUT, have a look at Canon file, the slight wavy area in the water (The boat BRD 111 reflection) it seems Canon has heave chromatic aberration??? Is that so? Thank you.
I'm all Nikon in the digital realm and find the default LR sharpening is often too aggressive especially for sharper lenses shot at or near the base ISO. Speaking of lens movements I'd love to see a Linhof Techno at work in the field.
I would love you to try a Fuji GFX100 or GFX100s, not as a fair comparison but to see if a modern "larger than FF" gives a noticeable advantage over FF.
Hi Team: Another great eposide! I am sorry I couldn't join you life for the premier. I particularly liked the segment on the Dereliction Photos. As far as the King of the Camera competition goes, I took a slightly different approach and brought the images into Capture One Pro 2021. Like Marcus said, both images performed very well, but I think that the Canon image was very so slightly better when it came to overall exposure. The Nikon image appeared to be slightly over-exposed, but only a touch. As a former Nikon D810 user I love the images that Nikon camera can produce. Let the competition continue! How about trying a mirror-less beast in the form of a Sony A7Riv or Sony A1? Cheers, Keith
I am an Olympus user so have no bias towards either camera. I also use ON1 Photo Raw 2021 for editing on an 27" iMac with 5K display. I zoomed 100% and then 200 & 300 and there was a noticeable difference right away. Without a doubt there was more detail in the Canon file. The words on the signs were crisper and also the detail of the stone work on the white building on the right of the image. In my view your Canon 5D SR is still king.
...once again...the best photographic show worldwide...I loved the 4x5 analog setting with the Shen Hao Cam... ...for the "King"...leave it to the Canon. ;)
You clearly haven’t seen the episode where the Canon 5Dsr blew the R5 out of the water? These are the best full frame cameras, regardless of how old they are.
@@PhotographyOnline 5dsr is a one trick pony IMO and that is sharpness . I tried one and the dynamic range vs the 850 at 64ISO was not even close. Sharpness is one of many elements to consider. Is the 5dsr the king of full frame sharpness? Maybe it is. Is it the king of full frame (all round ability)? I doubt that very much.
@@PhotographyOnline except in the description of the video it wasn't "In this commercial-free episode of Photography Online the Nikon D850 takes on our reigning champion of full-frame cameras to see if it can steal the crown from the Canon 5Dsr."
yes - which, if you had watched the first part of the series when the 5Dsr beat the R5, then you would know it is about detail. Don't knock something before you know about it.
I did focus with my eyes, so ignored the focus peaking.. in the video I show that I used the green text which had no peaking on it. This was the save area I used for the Canon.
Lens tilting: yes on the composition change. Less space below the wheel, more on top.. Also not a fan of the utility pole on the right, but moving would have affected the composition. Would like to have seen (in detail) the lens orientation after all adjustments were made. Another excellent episode!
I wonder whether a little shift upwards (Is this the correct term?) in addition to the tilt and swing would have fixed the pole and chimney leaning inwards issue. This would have gained some more valuable minutes of focusing fun for the same amount of money for one sheet of film... ;-)
Hi Florian. The correct term would be lens rise and lens fall. I could have corrected the leaning power pole and chimney, but that is how they actually are, so that is how I wanted to record them. There's no point in making an old crooked ruin perfectly straight! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. All the best.
Regarding the compo, I would have included the whole of the barn, Marcus cut off the left hand edge. I appreciate that there might have been 'junk' in shot by including the whole of the structure but, even so, I feel that this would have balanced the image better?
@@PhotographyOnline Well Marcus you said you hated focus peaking and it did not help with accurate focusing so why not turn it off to make it the same as the Canon? It may have been easier to focus without it, possibly?
Two tips on large format. 1. You should always turn your dark slide around after an exposure. One side of the very top is white and one side is black. That way you will know if there is exposed film on that side of the holder. Many people will disagree as to what color should be used for exposed. Black or white. I personally use white and literally have the word ‘exposed’ written on all my slides on the white side. Never a chance of double exposing that way. There are also little bumps on one side to help you when loading in the dark bag. 2. You should not have to use a cable lock to keep the shutter open. Most all modern shutters have a lever that is used to open the shutter. You simply move it one way for composing and the other to shut it back down. Peace and enjoy!
Another wonderful show! I think that Nikon had to take 2 years to catch up to Canon, so I think that Canon is still the King... Keep up the great work!
Had a look at both RAW files and it's too close to call. The Canon did seem marginally sharper but maybe at the expense of slightly more noise. As the Nikon has a lower base ISO than shown it probably just has the edge as the better camera. However, it mostly depends on what lenses someone has stockpiled as to which one they'd go for.
I will download the files and be happy to give my opinion . I own a D850 and my experience with Canon wasn’t the greatest as far as image quality was concerned at the time, I had the 5D Mark II, very bad with banding noise and dynamic range. I will try to be impartial though
Best would have been to do a blind test - each photo called A and B and let people vote without being influenced by brand. Very close either way! Great channel from a recent subscriber.
Another brilliant show, I believe that the main choice between the Nikon and the canon boils down to what you evolved with. Both firm's do a brilliant job on entry level cameras and people tend to stick with what they are used to using. Lucky for me that zenith don't make a DSLR 😁
In terms of specs the D850 has more dynamic range, so it should be able to recover shadow and highlight information the 5DsR can't. Plus it has a much better AF system and higher fps so I would place the crown there as an allrounder.
Hi Dimitris. Thanks for your input, but we are not looking for the best all rounder - that would be a much more modern camera. We are looking for the camera which records the best detail. So dynamic range etc are not considerations here. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching,
I've always been a Nikon user for a valid reason, better optics, superior high ISO performance, and nothing has happened to change that view. I'll stick with Nikon as long as they continue to deliver a DSLR.
Not that it matters but in regards to composition, I would have preferred you cut the power pole out, included the left hand side of the building and added more space around the building.
I looked at the two raw photos in two different programs Photoshop and Capture One. On both, I came to the same conclusion. I did not focus on the detail of the letters, in general, I put my attention on the three-dimensional effect that the Nikon d850 produces in the vegetation compared to the Canon that in my opinion, is flatter and lacks in richness between the foreground and the background. I do like the Nikon d850 for landscape photography
The Scheimpflug principle: Moving the angle of the focal plane relative to the film plane, and therefore the circles of confusion AKA depth of field. I used a Wista 5x4 with a Schneider-Kreuznach Super-Angulon 90mm lens for many years and look back with much nostalgia; it taught me so well about exposure, light and tonal range that I suspect few understand these days . I used Kodak Tri-X with 12 loaded dark slides (a full days shoot!) - I had my own darkroom: The quality and tonal range is very different from digital and although the two are often compared you really can't until you experience the large format analogue process. I often wax lyrical about those days and imagine selling all my digital gear and going back; ha ha ha...
@@PhotographyOnline Nice idea but to set up again with large format is unfortunately not financially viable for me at this time. However I do enjoy digital and its incredible performance - am also heavily invested in digital printing ;-)
A few comments regarding the Canon vs Nikon shootout. I’d have preferred to see the focus peaking turned off on the D850. Not sure if you compared the ISO64 native D850 image which I believe would have been fair - the Canon has more pixels, the Nikon a lower base ISO. And finally, why do people use self timer on a tripod to eliminate shake? Self timer eliminates shake from human intervention but flips the mirror just before exposure. Delay mode flips the mirror first and then exposes after the delay eliminating human and mirror induced shake. Probably makes only a tiny difference but in this test you were looking for tiny differences.
Hi George. Thanks for your input. Turning off focus peaking wouldn’t have made any difference as the area used to manually focus (green text) was of low contrast and therefore had no peaking applied. We shot the Nikon at both ISO64 and 100 but it made no difference whatsoever to the detail so we did t bother showing two identical shots. With regards to the self timer - both cameras were in Live View at the time, so obviously there is no mirror movement. Hope this answers your questions. All the best.
Hi. We’ve done lots on this subject before, so please check out our previous shows. Just last month we featured the D7200 against a Sony and Canon FF. The month before we did a feature all about sensor sizes.
As an owner of a D850 was interesting to see the differences in the images and Marcus comments. Putting aside any tribalism between owners of these iconic DSLR's, both are stellar performers where sheer detail is called for. I also have a Z6ii that as a mirrorless unit has its benefits, but it's the D850 that's my 1st choice for landscapes etc. It occurred to me why not focus stack but as Marcus points out that techniques is not great in windy conditions unless you spend extra post processing time. Enjoyed the show. Greetings from New Zealand.
@@PhotographyOnline Apart from last 2 wks in lockdown (Delta variant), life in NZ been pretty good for last 12 mths. Apart from a trip to Australia a few wks ago, overseas travel been off limits.
Another top class episode guys. Cracking large format image Marcus. I knew you would be impressed with the Nikon, and to be fair it's only people like us who may be able to see the difference, in a print it wouldn't be noticeable to the average punter buying it. But it was a good challenge and a good watch. Hopefully see you at the NEC.
Here's an idea Marcus, after you've done maybe another challenge with Nikon or Canon against Sony? Put the winner up against the medium format or large format film. This will then prove that film is still king.?
The difference in the number 5 on the tank is probably due to the lens rather than the sensor. But for landscape photogs features like built in dynamic range, focus stacking, panoramic stitching, exposure bracketing and high ISO/low noise characteristics would separate them more than the sharpness/detail.
Hi Chad. Thanks for your input. The feature was titled “King of Detail” because that’s all we were interested in. The lenses were identical on both cameras. If we were taking into account all the features you have listed then neither of these cameras would be a contender. Hope that helps. Many thanks
Great show as always. From my perspective I would say the Canon but each to their own so to speak. You need to sweet talk Sony and get your hands on a Sony A1 - I think it will blow them both out the water. Cheers from Melbourne
Hi Rick. Thanks for your input. Sony seem totally uninterested in lending us as anything - maybe because they’re scared of the outcome! We’re working on it though.
Nice to see the wooden Large format adjustments! When checking focus with your loupe, is it possible to see focus on dark areas at f5.6? Nice to see honestly on the D850 comparison, although more sharpness would have resulted from the mirror up mode or the 3 sec exposure delay mode. I would also rate your eyesight zoomed in, above the focus peaking...ie switch that off. I would expect both a Sony A7R4 and a Z7ii with 50mm lenses to be sharper than two tested today. By the way, there are many more Canon users, so there is no chance of the Nikon winning a public vote!
Hi Dominic. Both shots were taken in Live view, so the mirror is already up! Both shots used the self timer too. The Sony is on our list for the next challenger, but sadly not easy to get hold of.
What would be interesting as a final test for the 5DSR vs the competitors is a high dynamic range scene with only a single exposure Being sharp and being able to recover the shadows and highlights would make the ultimate camera for landscape photography
@@mrwpines I know 😁 I feel like the ultimate camera should be as versatile as possible Unfortunately sometimes the tripod just isn’t possible so you need to have high dynamic range to fall back on when pushed I feel
You guys make the best camera show on TH-cam ever! Love the format and the mix of topics. Please keep it coming. Greetings from the South Pacific!
Thanks very much Max. Enjoy the heat and sunshine!
The segment on the large format camera was SO interesting. Great job explaining all the details involved.
Cheers Don
Brilliant show again guys.
I'm a nikon shooter and shot with various Nikons and have to say the Nikon D850 is a winner for me. 😜
Thanks for your input Craig
Great video !!!. I downloaded the 2 files.
a) The first thing I noticed is that the Nikon one has a little bit more light (+ 0.4 exposition in C1) although it was shot at 1/100 (Canon was shot at 1/80).
b) I see more detail on the Nikon, I selected 3 points:
1) The wall at the left of the big boat ( white/blue/rusty one)
2) The surrounding area at the light blue car (between the two houses (again the walls, the red window and the bars ))
3) The church tower (look at the bell, I see it with more detail again in the Nikon one)
c) I can see more purple halo at the bars in the Nikon file (Rosedale hotel bars)
d) I used Capture One to analyze the 2 files using zoom from 100% to 400% (When you reach 400% you can notice the difference of those 5MPX that has the Canon)
There is no doubt the two cameras are incredibly great and for the usual pictures on most situations I would pick either the D850 or the 5Dsr with no difference for excellent results.
Thanks for your effort of making this great content, best regards from Argentina !!!
Just picked up a used 5ds for b cam at half the price of my worst lens. It is fantastic. I loved my Nikon but these days if the shooter knows their glass and exposure then the results will be perfect from pretty much any camera since 2015. 50mp gives maximum flexibility in raw. I shoot between f5.6 f11 in my work anyway…. Both cams win even in 2023.
Cool to see a video like this one this long after both cameras have been released! I own a 5DsR and personally mostly use it with Zeiss Milvus lenses - a very good match, those Milvuses blow most Canon L optics (except the very long lenses that are still king in their category) out of the water when it comes to both sharpness and other optical parameters (their drawback is no autofocus, though). I still shoot the 5DsR and any upgrade from there would be going into the medium format land (e.g. GFX). A significant drawback of the 5DsR compared to D850 is the signal-to-noise ratio. As is quite visible on the images in the video, the D850 has far less noise in the shadowy parts of the images. That is something I need to do bracketing and exposure stacking to compensate for - and it is not always an option for moving subjects.
Just downloaded and reviewed both images provided and for me it was obvious right away that the Canon image was sharper. But, I've never heard any 5D shooter OR D850 shooter be convinced their model wasn't the best. Great show again guys, thanks for providing the content. Cheers!
Thanks for your input Scott.
I would suggest you try a Sony A1, latest Sony sensor technology and 50mp so the same as the 5dsr
It’s on our list Neil but not easy for us to get hold of. We’re trying though.
Stepping up from a Canon 70D when I started I then purchased the 5DSR and haven't looked back. The detail in the 5DSR is incredible and being a 6 year old FF camera still blows away almost everything else. Most comparisons of the 5DSR compare the video, FPS etc when it clearly is a stills camera. Excellent comparison without highlighting bells and whistles. I of course favor the 5DSR in this test. Also using Canon L lenses really makes the 5DSR shine.
Thanks for your input Michael. You might find that some of Sigma’s Art lenses are noticeably sharper than most of the Canon L lenses, do well worth trying out.
Best show on the internet by miles
Thanks Damien - really glad you think so.
Thanks, Marcus. The barn could also have done with space down the left side too, imo. Thanks for showing "The Beast"!
Cheers Ben
Gosh I love this show. The Analog segment was really enjoyable. You are all awesome.
Thanks very much Julian
The D850 all day and twice on Sunday.
Next time try the Tamron 35mm 1.4
Photography online" my favourite photography channel in you tube thanks for you time . Love you guys 😍❤
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What a nice surprise to see my photo featured in your Dereliction section. Humble thanks.
Our pleasure!
Another great show, thank you. I will give the RAW files a download and take a look! I have to say over TH-cam at 100% the Nikon had it for me (which is hard to say as a Canon shooter!)
Cheers Ian. You might find it’s a closer call when you look at the RAW files
Marcus' segment at the beginning was truly fascinating. I understand his liking for large format!
Cheers Nick. For me, it is far more enjoyable using this type of camera than a modern digitial one. With large format film, you biuld up to a moment which has tension and meaning - something totally missing with digital. Thanks for watching (Marcus).
They’re both superb. It comes down to which system you’re already familiar with (and, of course, whether your stockpile of lenses is Nikon or Canon…)
Well said Tom
True but the d850 had a Mic jack. The canon is now over grand cheaper if you don't care do much about video.
Exactly. Irrespective of which system you use, you then build up your equipment around that. Then something else comes along that's promoted as superior. Very few people have deep enough pockets to change systems, especially when something 'better' will come along tomorrow.
@@PhotographyOnline The focus peaking of the Nikon 850 can be turned off, the selftimer can be set at 2,5,10 or 20 seconds, you can use iso 64 for even better results etc..
Can't wait for the best photography show on the Internet!
Thanks Mark. Hope we met your expectations.
1st and 3rd Sunday are auto repeat Photography Online TH-cam videos. I think my dogs are starting to get the hang of it too! What a joy to see my images this past week, thanks!
Cheers Karen. Thanks for sending in your images.
How about the Sony A1
It’s on the list - but not easy for us to get hold of
Yes, like many here have testified to your show I will add that is very comprehensive and with a variety of topics. There is a lot of good information in the videos and I also like the locations you chose for the imageries. Yes keep the show alive and do make more of it. I downloaded both files and I like the Nikon file, it is more vibrant and it is easier to pull the shadows w/out loss of details. I noticed that the Canon is alright except noise pixels do pop up in the shadows more and I had to raise a bit the light overall. Cheers.
Hi team, although I don't worry about the very fine differences between cameras, I would be interested to see Marcus test the original Sony A7R against the Canon and Nikon. Thanks if you do and no worries if you don't!
Hi Derek. The Sony has been suggested many times, so it is on our list. It’s not easy for us to get hold of a demo copy though, but we keep trying. Thanks for watching
@@PhotographyOnline Split the costs and invite me up and you can use mine!
Thanks! I waiting patiently for my used Canon 5Ds in the mail. I liked this comparison a lot!
Hope you enjoy the camera when it arrives.
Hi Ruth and team another great show and looking forward to seeing you at the NEC, very best wishes.
Looking forward to it too Mark. Come and say hi and let us know that you are a supporter so that we know not to be rude to you! 😂
@@PhotographyOnline lol 🤣🤣🤣
This show is basically a BBC production in terms of quality. They even managed to somehow teleport Hazel Irvine from the 90's to do the main presenting.
Hopefully Ruth will take that as a compliment!
Best photography show on TH-cam, great work guys! And as always, looking forward to the next episodes.
Cheers RaiQ
I have the Mamiya Press Super 23 with only 'Back' movements BUT here in ESSEX the LIGHT never lasts the same for long enough to mess around for so long doing the movements !
Hi Peter. As you know, the light can be very fleeting here too, but the art is to predict what is going to happen and set up in anticipation.
@@PhotographyOnline YES -- been out this Morning NO SUN as usual -- overcast, wearing a woolly and heavy coat here in Essex !
Move back to Skye!
Top notch show as usual to your high standards. I enjoy these shows very much. Cheers!
Cheers Randy. All the best.
My only question on the Canon 5Dsr vs Nikon D850 segment is why wasn’t the focus peaking wasn’t turned off on the Nikon as it doesn’t seem an entirely accurate or fair comparison fully manually focusing one lens on a camera you are used to and letting the focus peaking of the Nikon decide what’s sharp for you on the other when you already stated that you don’t trust focus peaking.
Hi Toby. If you watch the feature properly then you will see that that part of the image I use to focus (the green text) has no focus peaking. So turning it off wouldn’t have made any difference. Are you suggesting that the Nikon image is not properly focused? (Marcus)
I wasn’t suggesting it was not properly focused just that the exact same focusing technique wasn’t used to make the comparison as close to 100% equal as possible. It’s more me nit picking as both images would look great at a normal viewing distance.
Great demonstration on the large format camera, very interesting. On the Canon vs Nikon, I loaded them into DXO PhotoLab 4 using default settings but with the auto exposure adjustment (smart lighting) turned off. I couldn't see any practical difference between the two as far as sharpness and detail was concerned except for the obvious due to the Canon having slightly more pixels. The difference in exposure though is very clear with the Canon darker (with more contrast) than the Nikon, which may explain your finding on the Canon apparently providing better sharpness in low contrast areas. Choosing the most pleasing, at least on my monitor, I would go with the Nikon (I would, I am a Nikon shooter).
Wealth of information, and varieties, making it interesting to watch through out. Just subscribed.
Welcome to the channel Gabriel
Love the show. Thank you so much for using my boat wreck from plockton in your deriliction images.
You’re welcome Alan. Thanks for sending it in.
As usual, an excellent show that I really enjoyed. I got started in photography in the late '60s, and in the early 70s was well into Large Format and The Zone system. Your Analogue Affairs brought back so many good memories. Your King of Cameras validates what I was teaching in photography in the late 70s thru 2011, the differences in the camera brands and models is more about how a particular camera feels and operates in the photographers hands and eye than the name that is written on the front. Equal model grade to each brand will have comparable results. Sure, one will always be better in some miniscule way, but seeing it in the final image may be extremely hard to see. Excellent comparisons.
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment Jim.
Great video as always, from this latest shoot out in my opinion the Canon has the very slight edge in the sharpness results. Long live the King!
Thanks for your input Paul.
Really enjoyed the LF segment, look forward to future content around that
Thanks Eoghan.
Very well made, interesting moderation, great landscapes, useful technical feedback, etc. a great channel! Skye has just moved to the top of my bucket list!
Greetings from the foothills of Mt. Fuji
Thanks for watching Peter. Skye is great but Mt Fuji sounds good too (or is that just a fancy way of saying “from the suburbs of Tokyo”?!)
It is not the outskirts of Tokyo. It is the actual foothills of Mt. Fuji. I can see the whole mountain from my balcony.
Brilliant this channel should be televised 😘📸😃 the only channel I subscribe too that I can’t wait for the next video bravo 👏
Thanks very much Shaun. Not too long to wait for the next one now!
Another great show. Enjoyed the large format section, something I will probably never try but a great section to the show. Good advertising for the Spudz cloth too - yes it worked, I bought one !
We knew you would fall for that one Mark!
I agree more space was needed above the chimney and less in the foreground
Cheers Shaun.
Another interesting and informative episode - thanks to all involved. Hope you have enjoyed some of the summer weather you guys have been having up there. really looking forward to the next session.
Cheers John. The weather here on Skye has been unseasonably summery this year!
Excellent show yet again. Thanks very much. Looking forward to the next one.
Glad you enjoyed it
The Nikon image is a more "digital" rendition slightly over sharppend. In darker areas with lots of erratic details the Nikon seems to show more detail. In lighter areas with same details, the canon seems to define them better. In plane white areas, the canon due to its better white balance gives a more realistic impression and details are better reflected (White House) Yet the Nikon handles moire much better as you can see from the roof above the blue window. The canon does bad there. There is some fringing in the water too. The Nikon does better there. But the main thing is the overall colour and general rendition. The more digital image of the Nikon tends to saturate and sometimes change colours. The canon is more loyal to the real thing and has some slight weaknesses like those mentioned. It's funny noting that Nikon's details that seem better defined can lose that edge when viewing at 200% or more. That means there is oversharpening. I think both cameras are great, the Canon is the better sensor, but it's more likely to obtain a better image from the Nikon if you are not too orthodox in the setting. So most of the times in real life you might get better images with the Nikon. But if you post process pretty accurately and take the time for the shot the canon is better. It's just a more manual thing. I've owned and love both.
Could you please drop the analogue/film photography topic? And also DSLR gear review. Those cameras are (almost) discontinued by the major manufacturers.
Don't want to see this wonderful show to get discontinued.
Sorry RawSashi, but film photography is really popular right now so we’ll be doing more of it in the future. You shouldn’t dismiss it, as it is where all the fundamental skills of photography are found. Just because we do a feature wit a film camera doesn’t mean to say that digital shooters can’t learn or apply the same principles. As for the DSLRs - while they may have been “almost discontinued”, they still beat anything new, which is the whole purpose of this feature - to bring awareness that newer is not always better. Hope that makes sense.
@@PhotographyOnline Thank you for the reply. I'm not dismissing film and I can understand the fun behind it. To include it in every show, I think the popularity is overestimated! The fundamentals on photography are exposure and composition. Where exposure requires the technical and composition creative skills.
You can certainly learn/explain this by putting a blanket over your head behind an apparatus like the one in this episode as well as on any semi professional digital camera.
No offense, just trying to give a constructive feedback. Looking forward for part 2 of your show.
Yet another great episode from the team and well done to Marcus for the great content. After reviewing both images at home I found the 5Dsr is the clear winner in the low contrast areas and both cameras are so close in the high contrast areas., but in the end after viewing the registration plates of the 4 parked cars on the right hand side of the image at 200% I would have to give the crown to the 5Dsr. Not bad for a camera that is 2 years older than the D850.
I would also like to thank Photography Online and GadgetBag for the Alpine Spudz Lens Cloth which arrived yesterday. It's a quality product and now if I need a cleaning cloth in a hurry I no longer have to remember which pocket I put it into. Cheers team.
Thanks for your input John. Great to hear the lens cloth turned up. Enjoy.
Awesome large format image, and great explanation of how to get it. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
What a brilliant episode. Ticked many boxes for me. Would love to get back into large format. One word of warning though. If you are new to the hobby or don't have deep pockets, do not be put off by the pixel peeping comparison of the Canon and Nikon beasts. Yep, they are amazing bits of kit but you can buy consumer models at far more affordable prices and still take amazing photographs. Like wise, there are film cameras floating around on auction sites which will cost you pennies in comparison and still perform well. I used to know a guy who was a target shooter. Every week he would turn up to the club and produce a new Gucci rifle. Cost him a fortune. However he still couldn't hit a barn door. The only good thing was he became a great source of nearly new kit! So my challenge to you lovely Photography Online people is to do an episode where you all have a set budget to buy a digital or film camera from Ebay or similar and battle it out with these cameras. I reckon you could get a Canon EOS 600 series analog camera and a lens for well under £100 for instance, or a Nikon D80 and a lens for under £200. What do you think?
Hi. It’s a good idea and one which is already on our list. Thanks for your input.
As always I loved the short show that always has lot of interesting things to share with us photogs....my question/comment is for Marcus and the large format shot at the start of the show.... The finished photos was quite nice but the photo eye in my head was curious as to why you cut off the left side/edge of the building (at around the 11:40 mark).....choice or accident?? Love you guys and good luck at the up coming photo show....
Hi Edgar. This was intentional as to centralise the building made it too claustrophobic on the 90mm lens, but when I used a shorter focal length there was too much foreground. I couldn’t move forwards or backwards due the wheel, so I decided to exclude the left side of the building to get the correct balance between the wheel and the house. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching. (Marcus)
Marcus make it looks so easy doing photography with analogue medium format camera
Thanks George. Hope you enjoyed it
Nikon seamed to have better details in the shadows initially, however it had less details in the whites. Once I brought the exposure down slightly they become almost the same really. BUT, have a look at Canon file, the slight wavy area in the water (The boat BRD 111 reflection) it seems Canon has heave chromatic aberration??? Is that so? Thank you.
Thanks for taking the time to analyse each image and give us your verdict TJ.
@@chazM6116 Oh, but it doesn't show that badly on Nikon ;(
Discovered your channel just recently :) You guys are brilliant, thanks for the amazing content and warm greetings from Poland.
Thanks for watching Sebastian
I'm all Nikon in the digital realm and find the default LR sharpening is often too aggressive especially for sharper lenses shot at or near the base ISO.
Speaking of lens movements I'd love to see a Linhof Techno at work in the field.
I would love you to try a Fuji GFX100 or GFX100s, not as a fair comparison but to see if a modern "larger than FF" gives a noticeable advantage over FF.
We did that last year!
Hi Team: Another great eposide! I am sorry I couldn't join you life for the premier. I particularly liked the segment on the Dereliction Photos. As far as the King of the Camera competition goes, I took a slightly different approach and brought the images into Capture One Pro 2021. Like Marcus said, both images performed very well, but I think that the Canon image was very so slightly better when it came to overall exposure. The Nikon image appeared to be slightly over-exposed, but only a touch. As a former Nikon D810 user I love the images that Nikon camera can produce. Let the competition continue! How about trying a mirror-less beast in the form of a Sony A7Riv or Sony A1? Cheers, Keith
Hi Keith. Thanks for your input. The Sony is on our list but not easy to get hold of. Thanks as always for watching.
Thanks for an enjoyable video. Surprised that you didn't use mirror lock up and a remote shutter release when shooting the Canon and Nikon.
They were in live view, so the mirror is already up! As you will see, Marcus use the self timer instead of a cable release, which does the same thing.
I am an Olympus user so have no bias towards either camera. I also use ON1 Photo Raw 2021 for editing on an 27" iMac with 5K display. I zoomed 100% and then 200 & 300 and there was a noticeable difference right away. Without a doubt there was more detail in the Canon file. The words on the signs were crisper and also the detail of the stone work on the white building on the right of the image. In my view your Canon 5D SR is still king.
Thanks for your input Roger. All the best
...once again...the best photographic show worldwide...I loved the 4x5 analog setting with the Shen Hao Cam...
...for the "King"...leave it to the Canon. ;)
Thanks Michael
What is that behind Ruth at the start ?? Looks like the burning embers of a huge fire 😲
Maybe just her fiery personality!
Another varied show, thanks.
Cheers Lawrence
This is like a throwback to 3 or 4 years ago! Surely the "king of full frame cameras" should be between the Sony A7R4 / Sony A1 and the Canon R5.
You clearly haven’t seen the episode where the Canon 5Dsr blew the R5 out of the water? These are the best full frame cameras, regardless of how old they are.
@@PhotographyOnline 5dsr is a one trick pony IMO and that is sharpness . I tried one and the dynamic range vs the 850 at 64ISO was not even close. Sharpness is one of many elements to consider. Is the 5dsr the king of full frame sharpness? Maybe it is. Is it the king of full frame (all round ability)? I doubt that very much.
Which is why the feature was called “King of Detail”.
@@PhotographyOnline except in the description of the video it wasn't "In this commercial-free episode of Photography Online the Nikon D850 takes on our reigning champion of full-frame cameras to see if it can steal the crown from the Canon 5Dsr."
yes - which, if you had watched the first part of the series when the 5Dsr beat the R5, then you would know it is about detail. Don't knock something before you know about it.
Yet another totally awesome episode. From an ex-pat Scot in Texas you make me homesick very time I watch Photography Online :-).
That is awesome!
What greater inspiration than the gallery segment. great prestation
Thanks Jim
Why didn't you turn Focus Peaking off on the D850, zoom in, focus with your eyes? Loved the view camera segment!
I did focus with my eyes, so ignored the focus peaking.. in the video I show that I used the green text which had no peaking on it. This was the save area I used for the Canon.
Lens tilting: yes on the composition change. Less space below the wheel, more on top.. Also not a fan of the utility pole on the right, but moving would have affected the composition. Would like to have seen (in detail) the lens orientation after all adjustments were made.
Another excellent episode!
I wonder whether a little shift upwards (Is this the correct term?) in addition to the tilt and swing would have fixed the pole and chimney leaning inwards issue. This would have gained some more valuable minutes of focusing fun for the same amount of money for one sheet of film... ;-)
Hi Florian. The correct term would be lens rise and lens fall. I could have corrected the leaning power pole and chimney, but that is how they actually are, so that is how I wanted to record them. There's no point in making an old crooked ruin perfectly straight! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. All the best.
Regarding the compo, I would have included the whole of the barn, Marcus cut off the left hand edge. I appreciate that there might have been 'junk' in shot by including the whole of the structure but, even so, I feel that this would have balanced the image better?
Considering the better HDR, and the native ISO of 64 the D850 is clearly the king
Hi Joseph. This is not about any of that, it’s about pure detail. If we were looking for an all rounder then a more modern camera would be king.
Why didn't you turn off focus peaking on the nIkon D850?
What difference would that have made?
@@PhotographyOnline Well Marcus you said you hated focus peaking and it did not help with accurate focusing so why not turn it off to make it the same as the Canon? It may have been easier to focus without it, possibly?
It made no difference as the peaking was not on the area I was using to focus on.
thank you ruth and team yes i am late again what a wonderful show by you all thank you so much all the best from trev
Glad you enjoyed it
Two tips on large format. 1. You should always turn your dark slide around after an exposure. One side of the very top is white and one side is black. That way you will know if there is exposed film on that side of the holder. Many people will disagree as to what color should be used for exposed. Black or white. I personally use white and literally have the word ‘exposed’ written on all my slides on the white side. Never a chance of double exposing that way. There are also little bumps on one side to help you when loading in the dark bag. 2. You should not have to use a cable lock to keep the shutter open. Most all modern shutters have a lever that is used to open the shutter. You simply move it one way for composing and the other to shut it back down. Peace and enjoy!
Another wonderful show! I think that Nikon had to take 2 years to catch up to Canon, so I think that Canon is still the King... Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching Jon.
Had a look at both RAW files and it's too close to call. The Canon did seem marginally sharper but maybe at the expense of slightly more noise. As the Nikon has a lower base ISO than shown it probably just has the edge as the better camera. However, it mostly depends on what lenses someone has stockpiled as to which one they'd go for.
Thanks for your input slaphead
I will download the files and be happy to give my opinion . I own a D850 and my experience with Canon wasn’t the greatest as far as image quality was concerned at the time, I had the 5D Mark II, very bad with banding noise and dynamic range.
I will try to be impartial though
Cheers Celso
Excellent video yet again 👏
Cheers.
The image at 23:46 is interesting. Is this a boat on the water--and is the image flipped upside down?
Hi Jay. Yes it looks like an inverted reflection.
Cheers for sharing my imaging in the Dereliction Project this month!
You’re welcome Dan
Canon 5DSR all day! I have one too and it's one of my favorite cameras. Incredible.
Thanks for letting us know
If you guys ever come out the the Philippines I'll take you around shooting some great places. Plus, I can show you my art pieces;)
Camera Comparisons....... How about a look at the Pentax K1 Mk2 ?
It's on the list but difficult to get hold of.
Best would have been to do a blind test - each photo called A and B and let people vote without being influenced by brand. Very close either way! Great channel from a recent subscriber.
Thanks for watching Pete, and welcome to the channel.
Lovely pic Marcus. Great choice of film, I used to use Ilford HP5 in my old SLR. Love that camera!
Thanks Biddy. Hope you enjoyed the feature.
I did indeed. A great show as always. Incidentally, I think the Nikon D850 will win the crown.
You said you were going to shoot the D850 at both ISO 100 & at its native ISO 64. Why didn't you?
We did. There was no difference so we didn’t want to waste time showing 2 identical files..
Canon 17mm ts-e on a 5DS R gave me sharper results, at F11 though. Great video! I enjoyed the large format segment too.
Another brilliant show, I believe that the main choice between the Nikon and the canon boils down to what you evolved with. Both firm's do a brilliant job on entry level cameras and people tend to stick with what they are used to using. Lucky for me that zenith don't make a DSLR 😁
Good point Jim, but it still doesn't settle the pub argument. FIGHT!
Nikon, but only as I feel comfortable with the way the cameras are laid out.
In terms of specs the D850 has more dynamic range, so it should be able to recover shadow and highlight information the 5DsR can't. Plus it has a much better AF system and higher fps so I would place the crown there as an allrounder.
Hi Dimitris. Thanks for your input, but we are not looking for the best all rounder - that would be a much more modern camera. We are looking for the camera which records the best detail. So dynamic range etc are not considerations here. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching,
great show as always
Glad you enjoyed it
Nikon 4Life 💛
I've always been a Nikon user for a valid reason, better optics, superior high ISO performance, and nothing has happened to change that view. I'll stick with Nikon as long as they continue to deliver a DSLR.
Thanks for your input
Not that it matters but in regards to composition, I would have preferred you cut the power pole out, included the left hand side of the building and added more space around the building.
Thanks Trojan.
I looked at the two raw photos in two different programs Photoshop and Capture One. On both, I came to the same conclusion.
I did not focus on the detail of the letters, in general, I put my attention on the three-dimensional effect that the Nikon d850 produces in the vegetation compared to the Canon that in my opinion, is flatter and lacks in richness between the foreground and the background.
I do like the Nikon d850 for landscape photography
Thanks for your input Calos
The Scheimpflug principle: Moving the angle of the focal plane relative to the film plane, and therefore the circles of confusion AKA depth of field. I used a Wista 5x4 with a Schneider-Kreuznach Super-Angulon 90mm lens for many years and look back with much nostalgia; it taught me so well about exposure, light and tonal range that I suspect few understand these days . I used Kodak Tri-X with 12 loaded dark slides (a full days shoot!) - I had my own darkroom: The quality and tonal range is very different from digital and although the two are often compared you really can't until you experience the large format analogue process. I often wax lyrical about those days and imagine selling all my digital gear and going back; ha ha ha...
Why not go back but keep your digital gear? Then you have the best of both worlds,
@@PhotographyOnline Nice idea but to set up again with large format is unfortunately not financially viable for me at this time. However I do enjoy digital and its incredible performance - am also heavily invested in digital printing ;-)
Another fantastic episode but I hope you will get a chance to review and compare a Pentax K-1 series FF camera to these pretenders to the throne ;)
It's already on the list.
A few comments regarding the Canon vs Nikon shootout. I’d have preferred to see the focus peaking turned off on the D850. Not sure if you compared the ISO64 native D850 image which I believe would have been fair - the Canon has more pixels, the Nikon a lower base ISO. And finally, why do people use self timer on a tripod to eliminate shake? Self timer eliminates shake from human intervention but flips the mirror just before exposure. Delay mode flips the mirror first and then exposes after the delay eliminating human and mirror induced shake. Probably makes only a tiny difference but in this test you were looking for tiny differences.
Hi George. Thanks for your input. Turning off focus peaking wouldn’t have made any difference as the area used to manually focus (green text) was of low contrast and therefore had no peaking applied. We shot the Nikon at both ISO64 and 100 but it made no difference whatsoever to the detail so we did t bother showing two identical shots. With regards to the self timer - both cameras were in Live View at the time, so obviously there is no mirror movement. Hope this answers your questions. All the best.
@@PhotographyOnline Hi thanks for the explanations. I’m on holiday so don’t have access to my computer - is the download file ISO 64 or 100?
100, because they were identical.
Nice show .. crop sensor vs.. like d7200 or something like that
Hi. We’ve done lots on this subject before, so please check out our previous shows. Just last month we featured the D7200 against a Sony and Canon FF. The month before we did a feature all about sensor sizes.
As an owner of a D850 was interesting to see the differences in the images and Marcus comments. Putting aside any tribalism between owners of these iconic DSLR's, both are stellar performers where sheer detail is called for. I also have a Z6ii that as a mirrorless unit has its benefits, but it's the D850 that's my 1st choice for landscapes etc. It occurred to me why not focus stack but as Marcus points out that techniques is not great in windy conditions unless you spend extra post processing time. Enjoyed the show. Greetings from New Zealand.
Cheers Barry. Hope you’re okay down there.
@@PhotographyOnline Apart from last 2 wks in lockdown (Delta variant), life in NZ been pretty good for last 12 mths. Apart from a trip to Australia a few wks ago, overseas travel been off limits.
Another top class episode guys. Cracking large format image Marcus. I knew you would be impressed with the Nikon, and to be fair it's only people like us who may be able to see the difference, in a print it wouldn't be noticeable to the average punter buying it. But it was a good challenge and a good watch. Hopefully see you at the NEC.
Thanks a lot Lee. Hope to see you at the NEC.
@@PhotographyOnline I'm there on the Monday.
Here's an idea Marcus, after you've done maybe another challenge with Nikon or Canon against Sony? Put the winner up against the medium format or large format film. This will then prove that film is still king.?
The difference in the number 5 on the tank is probably due to the lens rather than the sensor. But for landscape photogs features like built in dynamic range, focus stacking, panoramic stitching, exposure bracketing and high ISO/low noise characteristics would separate them more than the sharpness/detail.
Hi Chad. Thanks for your input. The feature was titled “King of Detail” because that’s all we were interested in. The lenses were identical on both cameras. If we were taking into account all the features you have listed then neither of these cameras would be a contender. Hope that helps. Many thanks
9:40 - just take a photo, please, want to see a result ;-) but honestly great job
Cheers Andy
Great show as always. From my perspective I would say the Canon but each to their own so to speak. You need to sweet talk Sony and get your hands on a Sony A1 - I think it will blow them both out the water. Cheers from Melbourne
Hi Rick. Thanks for your input. Sony seem totally uninterested in lending us as anything - maybe because they’re scared of the outcome! We’re working on it though.
@@PhotographyOnline probably because you’re a Canon biased channel
I agree with Rick Sony winner all round
So the lens movements demonstrated with the large format camera, could you achieve the same result using a tilt-shift lens on a modern camera?
Hi Col. yes you could achieve a very similar effect with the T/S lens on a digital camera.
Nice to see the wooden Large format adjustments! When checking focus with your loupe, is it possible to see focus on dark areas at f5.6? Nice to see honestly on the D850 comparison, although more sharpness would have resulted from the mirror up mode or the 3 sec exposure delay mode. I would also rate your eyesight zoomed in, above the focus peaking...ie switch that off. I would expect both a Sony A7R4 and a Z7ii with 50mm lenses to be sharper than two tested today. By the way, there are many more Canon users, so there is no chance of the Nikon winning a public vote!
Hi Dominic. Both shots were taken in Live view, so the mirror is already up! Both shots used the self timer too. The Sony is on our list for the next challenger, but sadly not easy to get hold of.
What would be interesting as a final test for the 5DSR vs the competitors is a high dynamic range scene with only a single exposure
Being sharp and being able to recover the shadows and highlights would make the ultimate camera for landscape photography
5dsr lags way behind in this regard!
@@mrwpines I know 😁
I feel like the ultimate camera should be as versatile as possible
Unfortunately sometimes the tripod just isn’t possible so you need to have high dynamic range to fall back on when pushed I feel
There’s 100 ways you can compare cameras, but this test is to compare ability to record detail only.
Nicely done thank you
Thank you too!