HP EliteDesk 800 G3 Mini Project TinyMiniMicro Review
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In this installment of Project TinyMiniMicro, we check out the HP EliteDesk 800 G3 Mini to see what the 7th generation Intel Core i5-7500T offers and how easy the HP unit is to service. We also discuss HP compared to Lenovo and Dell options as well as discussing AMD Ryzen and newer/ older Intel Core options.
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0:00 Introduction
3:04 Hardware Overview
9:52 Performance
11:05 Power Consumption
12:02 Key Lessons Learned
17:42 Wrap-up
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So excited you are putting so much into your TH-cam channel. I remember finding your blog years ago when I get into the enterprise side of IT. It was such a huge help for me to have a resource to learn more about enterprise technologies. Keep up the awesome work Patrick and can not wait to see what 2021 has in store for you.
Great review of products avaiable to this market. Recent subscriber and I am enjoying your style of presenting in a "neutral/technical mode - comparing product based on need versus brand. Can't wait for the upcoming "mega" projects you mention over the next few months.
Excellent video - super informative. I have one tiny complaint though - I couldn’t for the life of me figure out how to get the thing open from the sleight of hand you flashed for one millisecond. When I went to the HP video to see it it was very clear and easy. 😉
Sooo, I was planning to acquire a few of those little thingies as I plan to run various S2S VPN from different regions. The ability to run any hypervisor would actually help me “connect” those nodes to my main, as I like to call it, “mothership” or a main centralised server (a Dell R820). Thank you so much for this detailed review!
Great option for for me. I need something decently powerful to do some Computer Vision work with and talk to an Arduino to. The Raspberry Pi is normally my go to, but 200$ for a Pi right now when compared to these guys, can't be beat.
This will be my first unit of its kind. I am retiring desktops due to power usage. The 35 watt power level seems very nice for an X86 lab system. I actually have some ram from a laptop upgrade it can use. I may add a low end M2 SSD VM storage. It seems storage and memory upgrades are easy, while processors seem a bit pricey. I suggest looking for a pre-upgraded unit on the secondary market if you need more than an I5 processor. You may find machines fully configured, with more ram, a better processor, and more storage, for cheaper than buying a base unit and upgrading it yourself. I am talking about factory refurbished machines, not building up an Ebay core. I run linux, so not running Windows 11 is a feature. Thanks for the info.
Perfect RE price discussion. Maybe HP actually means Half-Priced? Though I'm still getting over the fact that Quadro P620 are now part of a system base package. 4 years old, same as new, including prices!
The rear usb ports are all (4) USB 3.1 Gen 1 per the official spec sheet.
Subscribed! Love the series!!
According to online specs, the rear ports are all USB 3.0, but the ones with the keyboard logo are just enabled for wake-up.
Great review of products avaiable to this market.
man im still happy that i found my HP Elitedesk 800 G2 with a i7, 8gb ram, and 128gb ssd for $175 last year. have that at the moment set up as my emby/plex server and possible download server at the moment.
Is it fast?
Great video as always,very clear presentation sir congrats sir, may i ask you about the sff you review ; tiny; mini; micro im a fan of it, what model would you advise since i like to watch 4k video, and i notice that hdmi is limited with this sff,if there’s one kindly notify me if you already review it, and also i played games not regularly,thanks
I love all these mini tiny micro
$300, wow I just bought 2 years later for less than $80. Insane
just bought 3 years later, $60 lol
Apologies if this is a dumb question but, Will it do for photoshop drawings using a Wacom cintiq? My desk is pretty small and I could use the space this mini pc would save.
For small consumtion (i mean under 40W) linux server what would you recomend?
I find myself with a i3 7100 processor (not the the T) and I'm thinking about the G3. It will have to be the 65w. The i3 should tame the unit, but I'm still concerned about more noise and power consumption with 65w over the 35w. Can I expect a lot of difference in these two factors? Are the 65w units in general, with the vented lid, noisier than the 35w? thanks
I want one of this lol. Looks so clean and compact on any desk
I bought an HP 800 G5 Mini (i7 9th Gen) for $800US and I use it as my main PC now. I like the small mini form factor and I don't have a tower taking up so much space.
I did add another 16gigs Ram (its now 32gigs) a 1TB m.2 NVME and had to remove the SSD drive tray but then removed the connector and added a 1TB SSD drive (just used thermal pads o the m.2 drives. I also had to get the WiFi and Bluetooth chip to install and now everything is where I want it to be for this mini PC. I also had bought the VESA bracket for mounting it to the back of my monitor.
I will say this was worth the money :)
😯😯😯
Great video ! Do you have any suggestions on tiny/mini/micro with half-height PCI-e ? The HP T620 Plus is getting long in the tooth for today's workloads.
Some of the units like the M920x have these for GPUs and also i350-T4's. The challenge is that the rear I/O brackets are not standard so you need to figure out a solution there. Also, the risers can be expensive if the unit was not equipped with one.
Will an elitedesk 800 g3 mini 65w machine be compatible with an intel i7
8700 processor? I realize that this processor is an 8th generation
introduced to the 800 g4 mini but was hoping it would be backwards
compatible to the g3 mini. Can you help please?
Hi..can i put a video card on the unit? You think the unit is good for gaming.?
The 6500t has Intel 530 graphics where the 7500t has 630. This little machine is so much fun you turn into a hackintosh.
Hi planning your but Hp EliteDesk G3 i7 . Is it worth buying ?? It’s a refurbished with 1 year warranty. Anything specific to check and any concern with processor or fan??
Great video. Subscribed.
Can I run OBS on this?looking for something small now a huge tower you to capture vid with OBS. Thank you.
Hey you seem to be the man for these mini PC reviews, do you know of any with TWO m.2 slots? Also do you if the m.2 slots are NVMe or just Sata?
David, are you thinking of something like the m920x? th-cam.com/video/ulrPHjnqfs8/w-d-xo.html Also several HP units have dual slots but often you need to velcro the 2.5" SSD. The G4 (HP EliteDesk 800 G4) is a good example th-cam.com/video/QdEf-dXl-_Y/w-d-xo.html
Most of the dual-slot systems are newer just due to PCIe lane expansion. M.2 is almost always PCIe/ NVMe, but some have SATA as well.
For the HP 800/805 G6 mini which you can get the 2 M.2 SSD slots and one SATA Driver both works. and also you can get the 2nd Lan port.
Is i5 6500T, 16gb ram and 512gb ssd enough for virtual assistant and a bit of streaming?
May I ask I am confused at Lenovo tiny vs hp elitedesk which one should I go
I just got the 600 g3 dm with i7 7700t forr $140 aud it's great but the fan is very loud I have to open it up and have a look at the fan. I did put paste on cpu and heatsink iam assuming it has to be the fan
This is also cool for running a game server for Minecraft or something
Heavily single-threaded bound, unfortunately. 6600k all-core 4.5Ghz with 2933Mhz RAM can't keep up with an iron farm in the spawn chunks, a overworld base loaded and someone exploring the Nether at the same time, despite CPU usage topping at 35-40%. Gonna need some sweet Zen3 or Alder Lake IPC for hosting Minecraft 😅
The only thing that I've found that I haven't liked is that the wireless card in my doesn't appear to be compatible with Linux. The PCI ID doesn't for the wireless card doesn't show up in the module parameters so it gets ignored even through a driver is detected. Tried updating the firmware for the wireless card which didn't work since the card is being recolonized.
11:32 LOL I just bought one of these EliteDesk's to replace my last computer, cos it was SO dusty inside the fan stopped spinning which ' fried ' my computer.
hi mate came looking for imformations about this machine going to buy one 150 :)
Is it good enough for programming?
How is the noise/fan issue ?
Does any of these support 21:9 resolutions?
ssd m.2 samsung 980 pro pcie 4.0 is compatible with this model?
Just got one for a 100$ and really happy
Great deal
how are chrome books if any similar or used
9:30 ~ I'm not sure if you missed it, but I have seen HP's review of this unit and it seems it has two M.2 NVMe slots. The other one is hidden someone beneath the processor's fan.
The two M.2 slots are in newer revisions. For example you can see it in the 800 G6 piece and our upcoming 805 G6. The older revision did not have a second one.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That was fast.
Actually it's in the G3 and G4. Fairly old versions.
@@deewinc Who knows, but the official G3 specs also say 1x M.2 2280 for SSD and 1x M.2 2230 for WLAN. That matches our system. Under the fan is where the two SODIMM slots are in HP units. support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05371240
You can use the wireless slot for a second SSD. That's as long as you don't need the wireless capability. It only need be one of the short nvme drives. Thus the G3 can actually hold 3 SSD!!
Ok...but can it run crysis???? 😀
Sorry.
Buty my real question is, can I use it to run my 144hz 2k monitor with it?
Plan to use it for GFN and for plex
i have one like this hp 800 elitedesk g3 mini red lights 3 times i try to change memory ram and same problem
That HEVC satisfies the price dif between the 7500 and 6500 for me. I'd keep using this 2013 Ultrabook if it supported HEVC. Instead I'm having to use youtube browser add-ins to force x264 codecs and hide 60fps formats. I think this little system will take up less space on my desk and be a big upgrade over my laptop. I'm curious if the 8500 series CPU can be swapped in on this system board.
For the i5-8500t, it is easier to just get a G4 or a different i5-8500T TMM node with the CPU already installed.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo But that doesn't answer the question does it?
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Here in Canada lenovo had an amazing deal on tiny machines with ryzen cpus. If i needed some i would get them. $550-700 for amazing nodes brand-new!!
Can you name model ?
Can I install an nvme drive into it and start from that?
I got this system with i5-6500T and 8 gb RAM , refurbished for about 110 $. Can anyone recommend me a good DP to HDMI adapter ? I want to use it on a TV as a media box , so I need video 1080p + sound.
I like the port configuration of the HP Mini series(G3). But i like the overall design of the Lenovo better, and so far as i can tell, you can 'pimp' those lenovos out better, with AMD 8 core processors and so far as i can tell, even ECC memory, though i do not know that the motherboard supports ECC uSODIMMS. Also lools like the M75Q gen2 might be able to be modified to get a small PCIe 8/16x device, it would need low power as there is very little airflow, but i could see a dual port SFP+ adapter possibly working, or at least a 4 port 1G 8P8C. Idont have mine on hand yet, but i saw a teardown that appears t have a cutout for a single slot PCIe IO plate, and then the traces for a PCIe 16x slot, just mising the slot itself
HP offers a bit more on the AMD side if you're in the right country(countries?) - EliteDesk 805 G6 mini can be bought with a Ryzen 4750GE + GTX 1660Ti inside.
@@Birdulon Wow i did not see that as an option, will have to look into it
Is the CPU upgradable in these? So, if I buy one with a 6500T, can I later still socket a 7500T in there? Or are the boards not compatible to the next higher version or the CPUs even soldered on?
If you can flash the BIOS it is possible. Given the pricing though, we usually tell folks to save the hassle and just get the one you want. Plus, the big upgrade was the 8500T generation since you got two more cores. Before the 8500T, Intel was not pushing innovation because Ryzen was not a competitor yet.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I was mainly looking at the 7500T for the 630 graphics and the additional codec support, since I mainly want to use the Elitedesk for media. But, I got my 6500T Elitedesk today and, so far, it looks good enough for TH-cam at 1080p60 which is all I need. ;) A few dropped frames are there (~0.1-1%) at 1080p60 but that was about the same on my old media PC (a Thinkpad T450s with an i7-5600U).
How many DIMSUM slots?
Why did not you switched it on? I would be curious about if it shows a HP boot logo on startup or not, what is like the BIOS, and some real life using, like TH-cam 1080p, and some games! This is just a half like of course only in words.
We do in the newer videos. This was one of our early videos and if we turned it on the mic that was sitting close by (bad idea, but we did not know better at the time) was too loud. Much better now!
Found a flood of 600 G3 I5-6500T models here and they are about 210USD per unit in good condition and 16GB ram which sounds like a pretty good value for money, especially if you want a small size PC. On top of that I get 10% discounts that make it around 190- great find to be honest compared to the huge, slightly weaker PCs I get
bought for £64 or $72 doubt 190 is a great price
@@livebig6414 I dont think you know the price market here to say that 👀
I see the ones with 6500T go for around 135 and personally wouldn't pay more than 150.
Great videos, but no Intel Nuc?
We have done a few like
NUC 11: th-cam.com/video/PRCuFrDaql8/w-d-xo.html
NUC 11 Pro: th-cam.com/video/pKi2TKhBsuo/w-d-xo.html
For anyone interested, these are averaging $550-$600 in Australia making these among the cheapest options in Australia from Project Tiny Mini Micro so far reviewed.
I've seen some of the older ones (4th gen core) for around $250 or so. If you can get one with an i7 they're still decent processors if you don't need heaps of power. They can also be DDR3, so a bit cheaper to go big on memory.
In fact, I just took a look, there are some i5 6500T based ones on eBay right now for $350ish, or i3 6100 based under $200, shipped.
@X D You mean 2 years later older hardware has lost value? Who would have thought.
They are actually now averaging between $250-$450AUD.
@X D Austria is a tiny country in Europe on the border of Germany, and their currency is the euro.
Australia has a geographical size similar to yankville and is an island continent in oceania/asia. Our currency is the AUD. People in the low socio-economic spectrum in Australia have incomes around that of middle class people in yankville. So even relatively modest paid Australians would be exceptionally well off on yankville. With all of that income, prices increase. On top of that, any goods that cross the USD at any stage in their trade go up in price over and above exchange rates.
If I look to buy something made in Asia or Europe even by a yankvillain brand, and purchase directly through a supply line that does not cross the USD (such as through asia) the end consumer will pay between 35% and 300% less than if the same product crossed the USD. Thus most product lines in Australia go through a supply line that does not cross the USD wherever possible in order to be competitive on price.
@X D Neither forgettable nor fascist. Internationally regarded as THE greatest country to live in on earth and has held that title for 25 years straight. Have a nice day
Is there some of kind of 3rd party site where it would give accurate information about businesses who are about to closed so I can get their bundle of these cheap?
I know there are folks in the recycling community who have tried doing this. They ultimately come under pressure from ebay's scale/ breadth.
Is it possible to power this pc over the usb c port or does this damage the unit?
Regards
I wish someone had answered that question. Just what is that port for anyway?
One tip I recommend when setting up these is face the front of the machine to your right, and the back of the machine to your left... i.e., turn it 90 degrees counter clockwise on the desk before you put your monitor on top of it. That will put all you front SUB ports accessible to the right, and all your rear USB ports and cables accessible to your left. The top cover will the open to your right, instead of the door swinging out at you.
Just mount to the back of monitor
I got a 800 g3 model with the 6500t from ebay, I have an old i7 6700 processor from an old pc. Would that work as an upgrade?
nope. they operate at different TDP. The i7 you got would need more power than what the 800 g3 can deliver (not to mention cooling too)
@@al3nmicl thanks, i jus wanted to know if it was worth trying. I have had this old processor from an old dell xps that died some year back
yeah, you can lose track of what new units cost after tricking out the older used ones.
I have one, but I'm struggling to find the AC adaptor for it, do you know the sizing by any chance?
Thanks in advance!
Will this run windows 11
Being used to Lenovo tiny's that have a more conventional BIOS, getting used to HP's goofy BIOS layout takes a bit of time and patience. Requires using multiple Fx keys to access different parts of it. Not sure why they did it this way to be honest. I suggest reading both the owners and maintainance manuals before proceeding.
Did anyone try M2 E wifi slot for a Coral ai TPU slot? Or use with an egpu using an adapter cable, like nl.aliexpress.com/i/4001241775911.html ?
Has anyone tried installing the i7-8700T in this unit?
do you think a wifi 6 card would work in this pc?
Yes
@@ServeTheHomeVideo sir I have Lenovo m910q model but that have Intel HD 530 graphic will i5 8500t be okay with this graphic ?
It's the only reason I'm switching to ho elitedesk cause it have Intel HD 630 so it will support i5 8500 too.?
Where's the promised link to a review of USB NICs?
if you are talking about the usb c 5gb nic review TL/DR: they max out at around ~3.5gbps due to usb overhead and one of them takes a propitiatory driver.
th-cam.com/video/HPq2gKdwD80/w-d-xo.html
this System can take 64GB RAM btw. even if not offically announced
Thank you exactly what I need to know
These are really cheap on the used market, well worth considering.
We generally recommend newer ones. These are good for Linux, but if you ever want to run Windows 11, it is much easier to have an 8th Gen Core one, especially since these usually have Pro licenses. Also with the 8th Gen Core, you have enough power to run Windows 11 Pro + WSL2 for Linux. These are cheap because of the Win 11 requirement change.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo sounds about right.. still very good value for money
can it run video games?
It can, But don't expect much tho
Something’s up with the subtitles
Patrick doing his best Linus impression, oops dropped one ;)
However UNLIKE Linus, he drops screws and not GPU's and CPU's :p
Don’t forget 5k LCD panels.
I got the refurbished model from Amazon. Is it common that to use the wifi you need an ethernet cord. I thought wifi meant you take it out set it up and you can automatically connect to the internet. Call me stupid.
Omg... so much dust. One would think you'd blow the thing out before doing a video review on it. lol.
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Is Patrick single? 😍
Bruv
Leave blud alone with his computers😭💀🔥
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Are u gay?
Join the queue!
Whoa. I paid $56
Wow! Nice!
@@ServeTheHomeVideo and free shipping!
Yeah, another dawg from HP, again DisplayPorts, andn o idea what that is for a power connector. no wonder they are so dirt cheap. You're not going to be able to power this unless you buy a brand name or aftermarket power supply brick for it which is going to add 50% to the cost, or if you rig up a bench power supply. It's just not worth fooling with.
Once you add the cost of a new power brick, DisplayPort monitor (which you didn't have and had to buy retail), bargain bin SSD drive new, add USB keyboard and mouse, and install the OS on it... it's just not appealing any more... even if you can buy these at $85 a pop in 2022. By the time you're done, you've spent $350 for an old computer that is HP propreitary on the inside and not particularly expandable (no PCI slots, limited DIMM slots, old CPU socket).
If you're a PC tech, don't be a douche, reformat the drive and leave it in there, and wrap the power cable around the unit for when it's sold. Its not hard to do. If you can't do either, I'd fire you as a PC tech. For monitors, wrap the power cable and display cable around the stand. Ditto for keyboards and mice, wrap the cable around the unit.
Don't touch the fan blades "pulling out the fan gunk".. you'll throw them off axis. Instead, open them up and take them out on your front porch with the case lid off, and blast them with a electric handheld leaf blower. Aim around from all sorts of angles and hit the power supply fan and the CPU fans. Been doing it for 30 years with no problems.
@Adnan Ali Yeah, I bought a handful of display port to DVI cables. You have to be careful wit the displayport connector end thouth, as they are close other and the cables I bought have fat connector ends on them so you'll only be connecting one monitor per machine with these cables. lLive iand learn.
I believe the Mobo also has an SVGA out port> I wanted to go digital though. VIdeo chip uses 32mb of your mobo RAM. The low profile dedicated GPU cards are expensive.
You can add wifi and bluetooth to them with cheap USB dongles. Oddly, probably the most infuriating thing about these machines I find is the flush mounted power switch on the front. It's a small insignificant detail, but aggravating as h3ll if you are blind.
The best part of the system is the Intel 4790K which at the time back then, was a a top of the line CPU.
I bought 4 of these as gifts; if I had to do it again, I'd buy just the mobo, cpu and cpu fan, an the third party power connector adapter, and then drop the mobo in a generic whitebox midtower case with full sized Geforce 970 or higher GPU, 500 watt PSU, Nettac 512gb SSD, and load it up with four 8 GB DDR3L modules.
All the "HP" done stuff about this rig .. you can do better just as cheap. So all you really want is the cpu chip, cpu, and cpu fan.
Interesting, was. Waste of good money, yes. Do something interesting with all those you bought, impress me and prove me wrong.
At the worst case they can resell everything on ebay at a small loss (e.g. $30 per unit, $500 total) while having created in the meantime interesting content for their channel and blog.