If you have not seen a Mormon please leave your door lights on and put up something in your window that makes you look a little spiritually lost like a Weeknd album cover or something, you'll see one magically within minutes.
Heretic is a really solid movie, and I'd suggest it to anyone who appreciates horror and philosophy. SPOILERS AHEAD!!! I would argue that it's a fairly pro-faith movie overall. In fact, the title "Heretic" really refers to sister Paxton, as she is a true heretic while within his materialistic "temple". Even the ending is a demonstration of her religious "free will" over his predeterministic materialism. He asserts his Marxist (and necessarily atheistic) power struggle over her to show her that, as he puts it, control is the only true religion. If you've listened to many atheist thinkers, like Sam Harris, they tend to assert that humans have no free will. The villain shows her that he had predetermined her fate the moment she entered his home. He shows her that he had completely removed her free will by being more clever than she was. At the end of the movie he proves to her (and to himself, honestly) that he's completely right about his ability to control her. He has proven his point: God does not exist and she has no free will... except she does. She proves this by retaining her agency and completely surprising him with a knife in the throat. The point is driven home when they end up in the room of "fake miracles", where a real miracle takes place. And I know you had a problem with how few prayers were spoken in the movie, but the point of that was to highlight the point of prayer in that scene. She knew she had no where else to go, and instead of praying for God to save her, she selflessly prayed for the man trying to kill her (as the Bible would suggest). There's plenty more I could talk about with this movie, but I know I've left an egregious wall of text already. It was interesting hearing your perspective on this movie, and I'm glad you enjoyed it =)
Wow you are spot on!! You put into words exactly how I felt about this movie. It’s weird to me how people are interpreting this film as anti-religion given everything you said. I definitely resonate most with your interpretation-that being said, I think everyone is going to let their own bias obscure the way they see the film (including me). The more I think about it the more I think it was made that way intentionally.
To me the movie feels like a general critique of religious beliefs in general written as a psychological thriller horror story. Some points (such as how new religions are iterations of older ones, much like updated versions of Monopoly or remixed songs) are well made, but they are presented by a controlling, manipulative villain, which weakens their impact. Ultimately, what saves Sister Paxton isn’t just her faith but also critical thinking skills such as the ability to see Mr. Reed’s staged "miracles" as mere magic tricks. The film, as I see it, is filled with subliminal messages, often conveyed through contradictions and philosophical crossroads.
Wow! Marxism was never about "Individual Power Struggle", but a lot of other things, but mainly "Class Struggle". Individuals alone has no real role is changing things is Marxist Theory. Neo-Marxist Theory on the other hand challenged that concept (Suggestion Joseph Stiglitz and Thomas Piketty) I recommend you to go back Sociology 101 - Marx - Weber - Durkheim, and I really recommend you to read Das Kapital (All of It) Everyone talks about "Marxism", no one really reads Marx... How funny isn´t it?
Im an Ex-mormon who is very interested in this movie, I'm glad the film gave the mormon characters a fair shake (at least when compared to a lot of other media). When you said "mormons study a lot", I felt that in my bones. I left the church when I was fairly young, but the thing that I don't think I'll ever forget is how I had to study all the time. My experience isn't necessarily comparitive to other people's experience, but I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one.
Wait a minute... "Stalker story"? Please, tell me you are referring to this crazy Ukrainian videogame and not actual stalking. At the very least, I hope it is the videogame. Otherwise, wow... I am so sorry this ever happened to you. :( Update: I have just realised you mentioned some stalking in your video from yesterday. Wow, I will pray for you, uhm... What is your name?😅🙏
This came up on my feed but I want to mention how impactful Mormons have been in my life. I had some missionaries over my house and they prayed for me. I wouldn’t pray with them but they prayed for me. It opened my heart and I joined a Christian church. I’ve been so strong in my faith now for 10 years now. I think Mormons are incredible people, most are upstanding citizens. I think y’all are very educated in your beliefs and passionate about faith. You guys hold a special place in my heart so thanks!
That's such a beautiful story! I'm sure those missionaries who prayed with you would be so happy for you now. It's always wonderful to see another person of faith, and I'm glad we've made such a positive impact in your life. God bless!
I have a cousin that was a Mormon missionary for two years. In Salt Lake City Utah. He told the family all about it. I find the Mormon church interesting. I have not seen The Heretic yet. I have plans to see it with a friend. I'm enjoying your channel. Thank you for talking about the movies. Thank you for telling us about missionaries. What it is like to be one. I like visiting the Temple in Maryland. At Christmas time. It looks beautiful. I like your video.
I really liked your review! It was naturally well balanced and genuine. I see what you meant by prayers, etc., but again, all companionships and missions are different! Wonderful nonetheless. And I love the end of your vid 😂
I have not seen Heretic yet, so I'll come back to this later. Just wanted to tell you your channel came across my FYP and I sampled a few videos; I subscribed. I see a lot of potential in you. Hang in there, I truly believe you are a 100K subs channel in the making.
I got this vibe too. So many critics are soulless but she has a lot of intelligence and soul as well, this was probably her easiest movie review but if she talks about faith or whatever I think it will be good. Please like the video if you want to see this channel blow up.
interesting...I don't think belief is a choice however. I believe things that I find convincing, things that are supported by enough evidence to be believed, things that explain and connect to the reality I experience the best...I don't really have a choice in that.
I love hearing about this movie from the eyes of faithful Latter-day Saints. I live in Utah so anytime Mormonism is under the eyes of Hollywood, I get to hear everybody go crazy yet again. Love hearing your perspective, especially since you were once a Sister missionary.
@ it’s funny because I came across your channel organically and didn’t have to look it up. You should do a video on the ‘Under the Banner of Heaven’ series or even ‘Murder Among the Mormons’. I’d love to help out on the research for those
(Spoiler warning) Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed hearing a review from someone who was a practicing Mormon and went into detail about mission work. I found the ending where Sister Barnes was praying and Mr. Reed was crawling to her for comfort. While an atheist myself, I still find others faith moving. This varies if the person uses it to be a better person or as an excuse to manipulate or control others or to do what they want to do anyway, I think the majority of the people it is the former. In other words are you listening to your higher power. The film challenges you to think about what you believe and why. It isn't a black and white view point. I am seeing it a second time next week and have been watching different takes on the film. I enjoy a good religious debate, so, for me, the film worked extremely well.
I think we need more movies with Mormons & Mormon culture in them. In this era we always talk about representation & Mormons are no exception to that. No stereotypes or disrespect just take is what interesting & see how it works in a horror, comedy, sci-fi, etc.
The message of this movie: There will always be someone to test your faith. If your faith is strong, you can prove them wrong. Sister Paxton was my favorite & stole the show for me. She was genuinely bubbly & fun!🙏🥰🌟 Mr. Reed: "With great power, comes great responsibility." Sister Paxton: "Spider-Man!"😂
That’s not the message at all. And Paxton personality is a facade of “Keep Sweet”, always being polite and agreable, even when deep inside she knew they were in great trouble. Mr Reed, representing control, saw that Barnes was way too defiant, he noticed the birth control implant, he noticed how she acted and answered, and so he decided he would kill her. On the other hand, Paxton was the perfect sweet victim he could use to control. But he was wrong! And that’s why his plan didn’t work and she killed him. This movie is all about control, about manipulation.
I'm a Protestant Christian who came to faith in my mid-late 20"s I thought this movie was excellent, probably my 1st or 2nd favorite movie of the year. I thought it was incredibly fair to both those who believe and those who don't. My favorite scene is after he does his whole about Monopoly and music iteration, how sister Barnes takes his points apart. He doesn't respond, which shows he wasn't interested in the truth, he was interested in control
As an American evangelical who is just barely clinging to what is left of my faith I found the movie incredibly intriguing, but I also disagree with part of its premise - that you can choose whether or not to believe. I've considered atheism, even tried to stop believing, but I simply can't. I have a good friend who is a former Mormon turned atheist, and I don't think he could change his mind either, at least not willingly. I think belief and disbelief aren't isolated choices, but the result of hundreds if not thousands of decisions we make every day
This was a great review and prior to this I was closed to the idea of watching and contributing to a movie that spreads a great deal of misinformation about our church, but I'm a little more open to it now.
Thank you for sharing your insights on prayers. If Terrence Malick had directed Heretic, I imagine him infusing his signature inner dialogue, evident in the sisters’ prayers for guidance and assistance.
I mean this respectfully I am an ex Jehovah witnesses. I talk to ex JW all the time and ex Mormons. Anyone reading if you ever leave the Mormon church or the JWs please rewatch this. This movie will hit differently and hit harder. Rewatch it you will get the full effect of the movie because we all know how it’s like to fully believe in a faith to not believing at all. I know this is a movie about Mormon missionaries but this also applies to JWs. If anyone reading this ever leaves their faith please please watch it again you will thank me.
I want to say arguments against faith are useful like if you watch this on a classroom or hanging out, have a Q&A and talk about the points Hugh Grants character brings up don't fast forward through them. Talk about them if you have a responsible adult very wise in The Bible or faith then it will go well. Its like in MMA you always want to fight someone as skilled or more, so some person IRL might come up to you and say what Hugh Grant said and you might stutter in shock as he took you aback and that can ruin your faith because the man now has you in his grasp and can take away your spirit. Being prepared for that will make you able to possibly even convert them into your faith. edit: I mean with The MMA comment you practice objections to Mormonism and say faith breaking things to each other and think of arguments against the objections however if you never did that your faith will be weak. Sorry to get long winded but I thought that when you said fast forward
There will be more movies like this targeting the LDS Church. There is so much money in it. A movie like The Heretic that targets Catholics or any Protestant denomination would never sell.
I've read the book of mormon, as well as the bible. Both were fundamental in my eventual abandonment of religion & every other form of magical thinking. Want to keep missionaries safe? Maybe don't send them door to door peddling fantasy? 😕
exactly, I will never understant why in this era of science and technology so many people still believe in these fairy tales. Makes for good horror movies at least.
They don’t believe it’s a fantasy, it’s real to them because they’ve experienced and felt things which to them are proof it’s real. You may not have had that same experience and that’s fine. But don’t knock on someone’s beliefs
@ you Can experience something independently and unconsciously atribute it to a higher power to validate your belief but it really isn’t. I agree that there may be a being or some beings out there in the galaxy higher than us that we’d call God but its almost impossible that they interacted with us in the way these ancient texts record. Can’t be proven either way but there’s such things as common sense.
@@byuftbl Whether they believe it's a fantasy or not is irrelevant. There were things I believed I'd "experienced" that were most definitely not what I was attributing them to. Just because you believe a thing & it's "real to you" doesn't make it _actually real._ It's basically the same as claiming "alternate facts"-- there is no such thing. Beliefs without evidence are entitled to no immunity. If a belief can't withstand critique & scrutiny, & validate itself based on its own claims, then it must be discarded.
I'm not LDS, I'm Church of England, and I really enjoyed this movie. For once it's wonderful to see a religious horror film that doesn't focus on Catholicism. TBH being a missionary sounds terrifying, there is no way I'm going into stranger's homes as a woman, even with a companion. I think anyone who has any religious belief has had that conversation with themselves or with others: "What do I believe? Why do I believe it? How do I reconcile that faiths apart from mine have very similar figures/stories, but I am deciding that MY interpretation is right?" I don't know about other parts of the world but here in the UK we do religious studies at school that tends to focus on Christianity and but does cover other religions as well. I LOVED this film, I thought it was very well done, it was very tense throughout, I was routing for the protagonists and Hugh Grant makes a spectacular villain. He hammed it up for his role as the baddie in Paddington 2, but here he is truly sinister. Excellent performances all around. I loved the way the Sisters were able to deconstruct Mr Reid's arguments and use logic to see through a miracle. If anyone has a crisis of faith due to watching this film, I'm going to suggest they may have been struggling to begin with. The prayer thing - while I understand where you're coming from when you say the girls would be praying constantly in this situation, you have to remember it's a movie. You can't grind to a halt every few minutes so the Sisters can fall to their knees and pray. Something you didn't mention (maybe for SPOILERS) is that both the Belief and Disbelief doors lead to the same place, so as far as doors go, it doesn't make a difference which one they chose. I don't know if the movie was trying to say something with this, but it is there. I have questions about Sister Barnes at the end, still not sure what happened there, but overall I really liked the film and its stance on belief.
I think people care about the underwear because of what they lore is behind them. We've all seen videos about what they mean whether actual Mormons know or not
I don't mean to be rude but the bazilians only gave you atention because you're an imigrant. Usually they don't pay much atention to the mormons missionares
At the beginning I talk about how she's on the cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that's all you really need to know---if you don't know anything about that show though you might be confused haha 😅
I watched this movie Friday in Yuma, and it stuck with me afterward while I went shopping for household goods. Then, in the parking lot, it suddenly struck me that Mr. Reed is a polygamist, which ties in to things he'd said to the two Sisters about their (your) church's history. --
Polygamist Reed's "wives" were caged in the basement, trapped like all polygamist wives are. He was analogous to Joseph Smith seeking the "true religion". "Going down into to the basement with the Three layered "Hell" paralleled Mormonism's Three Degrees of Glory. Both doors of false beluef and athiesm lead to Hell. This is a twisted pro-Mormon film produced and written by Mormons. DON'T waste your money on it. Mormon street rexruuters [erroneously called "missionaries"] aren't "victims". They are salesmen going out to entice naive people into a soul-destroying cult with a false prophet which Revelations states will take them into a lake of fire. Mormons are deceptive street recruiters sucking naive people into a cult which will destroy their lives, cause psychological damage, and rip out their souls. Spread the word that Christians and pastors are boycotting the film leads people to doubt their faith and tread down path to athiesm---JUST AS MORMONISM does. That is why Mormonism is called an Athiest Factory. The "Mormon garment scene" made it appear that they were only being harrassed---It didn't show the garnent's occultic symbols or the bizarre Mormon ritual where Mormons are commanded by Satan to put on an green apron symbolic of Satan's power and precepts. The nitwit MORMON host of this podcast knows nothing about film---or true Mormonism. I am an ex-Mormon who has done 50 years of research on the Mormon cult. I also have a PhD in Film. I have been a film critic, and seen hundreds of films. Take my word for it.--- This film sucks. Join the boycott and warn people about it.
May I ask what are usually the doubts missionaries have? and how crucial are they to the core and fundamentals of their mission as well as their faith, such as is their doubts in whether Jesus was resurrected, is it more essential or is it the doubt on whether they should keep having faith not just in their faith but faith in humanity, that the human beings on this planet are worth fighting for and spreading the message and that it's not a waste of time?
Sure, I think it varies completely person to person, it can be anything. Something from the movie that i thought really illustrated what it’s like to question your faith is when sister paxton expresses doubt that prayer works, but then decides to pray anyway. Also, Mr Reed brings up tons of questions about the church, God, and Jesus, and the missionaries don’t have all the answers to his questions. However they choose not to trust him because, well, he’s terrifying and dangerous, and they instead keep their faith since it is something that brings them comfort and peace. If you’re looking at the movie from a different perspective and deciding to view mr reed as an allegory for religion itself, you could say that the missionaries questioning Mr Reed and pointing out flaws in his logic is symbolic of them questioning their faith.
(16:30) "It's about how believing or not believing is a choice we make with consequences both ways. That's the point of the two doors." Oh honey... 🤦♀ The two doors led to the exact same place. The consequence would have been the same regardless of which door they chose. There was no choice. The film is about the *illusion* of choice that religion offers while continually manipulating and gaslighting us so that we don't realize we're being manipulated and controlled.
I’ve never seen someone miss the point of a movie so hard. Yes the doors both led to the same place but that doesn’t mean the theme of “belief and disbelief” isn’t still at the movies core. Not to mention the fact that Mr Reed is literally a psychopathic murderer are you really siding with HIM?!?! Sure, he might have a couple good points but the film literally tells you not trust him because his view of the world lacks nuance! Heh… Kinda like your comment.
@@Rmurtube The stunning lack of self-awareness in you comment... Mr. Reed is a stand in for religion. Yes, he is the villain of the film - because he represents religion, you nitwit, and this film is very blatantly an anti-religious film. Correct: You CAN'T trust him because his view of the world lacks nuance - just like religion! 😅 Watching this point sail right over the heads of you clueless brainwashed masses is quite hilarious. And here's a newsflash: Just because I understand what his character represents, doesn't mean I am "siding" with him. I literally said that he is the one manipulating and gaslighting the protagonists, why would that give you the impression that I'm "siding" with him? 😂
@@ZachariahWiedemanYou’re quite clueless about religion yourself if you think religion is all just manipulation and control. The LDS religion does tell you to find out for yourself, ask questions, and choose whether you want to believe or not.
Hahha so the reason was because the theatre was completely full and we were some of the last ones to enter, so it was the only seats left (If someone had come in who needed the seat I would have given it up in an instant and sat on the floor or something) There was also a whole row of handicapped seats so there were still some left for anyone who needed it.
I just wish they went deeper into Mormon history. All they mentioned was Fanny Algar: the 16 year old Joseph, a full grown man, was caught in a barn with (way before any of his polygamy revelations). They could have mentioned blood atonement: how Mormons used to teach you had to murder some sinners so their blood could add to Jesus's sacrifice. They could have mentioned how Brigham taught slavery was a divine institution and any who fought it were fighting against God. They could have mentioned Zina: the wife of a man that Brigham sent on a mission, a mother with two kids, who after sending the husband on a mission Brigham told her that god wanted the two of them to have intercourse. And Brigham Young impregnated the man's wife while he was on a mission. They could have mentioned LDS people believe Native Americans are taught by Mormons to be cursed with black skin people from Jerusalem--despite DNA proving native Americans have asiatic descent. So much Hugh's character could have mentioned that was forgotten. Could have talked about Book of Abraham and how that was proven to be a huge fraud. All the Bible verses that warn how much power false versions of Christianity would have in the last days.... so much more!
I agree...."The Heretic"was a hokey silly film which did not tell the Truth about Mormonism. But don't worry, my screenwriter friend [a former Mormon, now anti-Mormon] are writing a script about her terrifying ordeal which will expose ALL the sick Mormon beliefs and practices... Including their brainwashing tactics and their hideous practice of Bishop Shaming which screwed up a big 400 pound missionary's head so bad he morphed into a monstrous brute who psychologically, emotionally, and sexually abused her---and then the Mormon PR Machine went to extremes in a cover up to garner positive publicity which would save their pious Mormon Mormon Image by assassination of her character with "fake news" and a well orchestrated international press HOAX that SHE raped HIM. [She was a tiny petite 112 pound GIRL a wholesome virgin so beautful and talented that she ran for Miss USA. And HE was a huge 6'5" 400 pound brute. Her saga, a startling TRUE story which exploded in international headlines will blow the Mormon "church" apart by exposing the abnormal incidence of Mormon Sexual Abuse the way the Oscar-winning film "Spotlight" exposed sexual abuse by Catholic priests in children! Did you know the website floodlit.org documents 146 cases of Sexual Abuse by Mormon missionaries and return missionaries---ALL who were subjected to Bishop Shaming during "Worthiness Interviews" ---so there is a direct connection!) My outspoken friend and i are screenwriters. She is a former Mormon and in the 70s was a campus rabble rouser as a teacher at BYU --- who protested their discrimination against minorities and their non-Biblical "scriptures" . They called her "The Erin Brockovich of Mormonism" and "The Gloria Steinem of BYU". When HER true story comes out, Mormonism is going to go down Big Time. And don't worry my friend, WE won't leave ANYTHING out!
Yes I get the teachings about sex but I wonder why neither of the girls thought of using their sexuality to save themselves. While it goes against what they were raised to believe being a WOMAN you use what women have been using since Adam and Eve to survive. I really wanted to see his reaction if one of them decided to come on to him to change his attitude.
I’m no longer a member of the Church, but I did serve a full time mission, was married in the temple and had lots of callings, mostly ward or stake missionary. I thought the movie was well thought out and was pretty accurate to the Church, but there were a few errors as well like Elder Kennedy going out to look for the sisters without a companion (ward or stake missionaries don’t go by Elder but rather brother), and Sister Paxton said she would want to come back as a butterfly when reincarnation is not part of LDS theology. Also, if I were to try and dissuade missionaries from their faith I wouldn’t stop at polygamy and Joseph Smith’s affair with Fanny Alger but would also bring up the fact that The Book of Abraham is not a literal translation of the papyrus. Anyway, it was a good film.
Mr. Reed: How do you know its true? Me: Acts 2:17 Mr. Reed: How do you know the Bible is True. Me: Its never been proven untrue. I have a question for you Mr. Reed. What is the universe? Mr. Reed: you tell me, religions belief in heaven. Me: GOD.
🙄 Lame comment. The church has separate business ventures they own, but the tithing they get isn’t used in that, it’s used to build temples, churches, humanity projects, prophets and apostles get a little bit to have modest transportations and housing while they’re volunteering all their time for the church, etc. it’s not to “feed the corporation”
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Wait Mormons are real
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I mean I think so, I do exist, so...?
If you have not seen a Mormon please leave your door lights on and put up something in your window that makes you look a little spiritually lost like a Weeknd album cover or something, you'll see one magically within minutes.
@@RuddFoxxA Weeknd album cover 😂😂😂
of course, you are also 3d print yourself a Mormon, and put it on your shelf
Heretic is a really solid movie, and I'd suggest it to anyone who appreciates horror and philosophy. SPOILERS AHEAD!!! I would argue that it's a fairly pro-faith movie overall. In fact, the title "Heretic" really refers to sister Paxton, as she is a true heretic while within his materialistic "temple". Even the ending is a demonstration of her religious "free will" over his predeterministic materialism. He asserts his Marxist (and necessarily atheistic) power struggle over her to show her that, as he puts it, control is the only true religion. If you've listened to many atheist thinkers, like Sam Harris, they tend to assert that humans have no free will. The villain shows her that he had predetermined her fate the moment she entered his home. He shows her that he had completely removed her free will by being more clever than she was. At the end of the movie he proves to her (and to himself, honestly) that he's completely right about his ability to control her. He has proven his point: God does not exist and she has no free will... except she does. She proves this by retaining her agency and completely surprising him with a knife in the throat. The point is driven home when they end up in the room of "fake miracles", where a real miracle takes place. And I know you had a problem with how few prayers were spoken in the movie, but the point of that was to highlight the point of prayer in that scene. She knew she had no where else to go, and instead of praying for God to save her, she selflessly prayed for the man trying to kill her (as the Bible would suggest). There's plenty more I could talk about with this movie, but I know I've left an egregious wall of text already. It was interesting hearing your perspective on this movie, and I'm glad you enjoyed it =)
Wow you are spot on!! You put into words exactly how I felt about this movie. It’s weird to me how people are interpreting this film as anti-religion given everything you said. I definitely resonate most with your interpretation-that being said, I think everyone is going to let their own bias obscure the way they see the film (including me). The more I think about it the more I think it was made that way intentionally.
To me the movie feels like a general critique of religious beliefs in general written as a psychological thriller horror story. Some points (such as how new religions are iterations of older ones, much like updated versions of Monopoly or remixed songs) are well made, but they are presented by a controlling, manipulative villain, which weakens their impact. Ultimately, what saves Sister Paxton isn’t just her faith but also critical thinking skills such as the ability to see Mr. Reed’s staged "miracles" as mere magic tricks. The film, as I see it, is filled with subliminal messages, often conveyed through contradictions and philosophical crossroads.
Wow! Marxism was never about "Individual Power Struggle", but a lot of other things, but mainly "Class Struggle". Individuals alone has no real role is changing things is Marxist Theory. Neo-Marxist Theory on the other hand challenged that concept (Suggestion Joseph Stiglitz and Thomas Piketty) I recommend you to go back Sociology 101 - Marx - Weber - Durkheim, and I really recommend you to read Das Kapital (All of It) Everyone talks about "Marxism", no one really reads Marx... How funny isn´t it?
Teaching missionaries how to stay safe and use common sense better than Safety Zone ever did.
hmmm, his assurance that his wife was in the other room while you're standing in a storm would have totally worked on me.
Watching the movie I was like “y'all STILL haven't prayed yet!?” that part was unrealistic. They would've prayed way sooner.
I like all of these non hateful comments and just genuine experiences they’ve had with members of the LDS church. Thanks for this video
Im an Ex-mormon who is very interested in this movie, I'm glad the film gave the mormon characters a fair shake (at least when compared to a lot of other media).
When you said "mormons study a lot", I felt that in my bones. I left the church when I was fairly young, but the thing that I don't think I'll ever forget is how I had to study all the time. My experience isn't necessarily comparitive to other people's experience, but I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one.
I’m not a member never have been but I do hope real missionaries are all safe and well
HAHA yes thank you for featuring my stalker story 🙂↕️
Love your videos!! And loved serving with you as well!
Yep credits to you for being stalked 😂 Thanks for commenting, loved serving with you too!!
Wait a minute... "Stalker story"? Please, tell me you are referring to this crazy Ukrainian videogame and not actual stalking. At the very least, I hope it is the videogame. Otherwise, wow... I am so sorry this ever happened to you. :(
Update: I have just realised you mentioned some stalking in your video from yesterday. Wow, I will pray for you, uhm... What is your name?😅🙏
This came up on my feed but I want to mention how impactful Mormons have been in my life. I had some missionaries over my house and they prayed for me. I wouldn’t pray with them but they prayed for me. It opened my heart and I joined a Christian church. I’ve been so strong in my faith now for 10 years now.
I think Mormons are incredible people, most are upstanding citizens. I think y’all are very educated in your beliefs and passionate about faith. You guys hold a special place in my heart so thanks!
That's such a beautiful story! I'm sure those missionaries who prayed with you would be so happy for you now. It's always wonderful to see another person of faith, and I'm glad we've made such a positive impact in your life. God bless!
Love this video, thank you for educating me ❤
Your review is the best and most balanced I’ve seen. I’m very impressed, especially with that plug at the end!
Believing and not believing have no consequence. His control is what matters, either door leads to the same place. All that changes is his response.
I have a cousin that was a Mormon missionary for two years. In Salt Lake City Utah. He told the family all about it. I find the Mormon church interesting. I have not seen The Heretic yet. I have plans to see it with a friend. I'm enjoying your channel. Thank you for talking about the movies. Thank you for telling us about missionaries. What it is like to be one. I like visiting the Temple in Maryland. At Christmas time. It looks beautiful. I like your video.
love the review, great points made clarifying things. I'm also a member and liked the movie, there were some silly mistakes, and was fun in general.
agreed! glad you liked the review :)
Fellow Latter-day Saint here who just returned from his mission. Thanks for the video and good job with the info!
Congrats!! An entire mission is no small feat. Glad you enjoyed😁
I really liked your review! It was naturally well balanced and genuine. I see what you meant by prayers, etc., but again, all companionships and missions are different! Wonderful nonetheless. And I love the end of your vid 😂
I have not seen Heretic yet, so I'll come back to this later. Just wanted to tell you your channel came across my FYP and I sampled a few videos; I subscribed. I see a lot of potential in you. Hang in there, I truly believe you are a 100K subs channel in the making.
Thank you for the encouragement! ☺
I got this vibe too. So many critics are soulless but she has a lot of intelligence and soul as well, this was probably her easiest movie review but if she talks about faith or whatever I think it will be good. Please like the video if you want to see this channel blow up.
interesting...I don't think belief is a choice however. I believe things that I find convincing, things that are supported by enough evidence to be believed, things that explain and connect to the reality I experience the best...I don't really have a choice in that.
I love hearing about this movie from the eyes of faithful Latter-day Saints. I live in Utah so anytime Mormonism is under the eyes of Hollywood, I get to hear everybody go crazy yet again. Love hearing your perspective, especially since you were once a Sister missionary.
Great video, Gwowls!!
Thanks Rick!! 😁
Yooooo!!!! Sister!!!! What’s going on?!?! Genuinely loved the video and your style. Will sub and keep updated on the channel
Well well well look who it is, welcome to the Gwowls channel James Trent 😁
@ it’s funny because I came across your channel organically and didn’t have to look it up. You should do a video on the ‘Under the Banner of Heaven’ series or even ‘Murder Among the Mormons’. I’d love to help out on the research for those
(Spoiler warning) Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed hearing a review from someone who was a practicing Mormon and went into detail about mission work. I found the ending where Sister Barnes was praying and Mr. Reed was crawling to her for comfort. While an atheist myself, I still find others faith moving. This varies if the person uses it to be a better person or as an excuse to manipulate or control others or to do what they want to do anyway, I think the majority of the people it is the former. In other words are you listening to your higher power. The film challenges you to think about what you believe and why. It isn't a black and white view point. I am seeing it a second time next week and have been watching different takes on the film.
I enjoy a good religious debate, so, for me, the film worked extremely well.
That freeze frame ending was A1 😂
I think we need more movies with Mormons & Mormon culture in them. In this era we always talk about representation & Mormons are no exception to that. No stereotypes or disrespect just take is what interesting & see how it works in a horror, comedy, sci-fi, etc.
I would love more stuff like that!! 😁
Fire video as always 🔥
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I have Sister Barns's skirt. And I wear it to church. LOL!
Alyssa Grenfell did a great breakdown of this movie on youtube. It was over an hour long. I appreciate it your views on it too.
Hers is how I went down this wormhole. So good.
The message of this movie:
There will always be someone to test your faith. If your faith is strong, you can prove them wrong.
Sister Paxton was my favorite & stole the show for me. She was genuinely bubbly & fun!🙏🥰🌟
Mr. Reed:
"With great power, comes great responsibility."
Sister Paxton: "Spider-Man!"😂
That last line was the most accurate part of the whole movie I literally would have said the same thing 😂
@Gwowls I can't remember where Mr. Reed actually stated that quote was from. But wasn't from Spider-Man🤭😅
That’s not the message at all. And Paxton personality is a facade of “Keep Sweet”, always being polite and agreable, even when deep inside she knew they were in great trouble. Mr Reed, representing control, saw that Barnes was way too defiant, he noticed the birth control implant, he noticed how she acted and answered, and so he decided he would kill her. On the other hand, Paxton was the perfect sweet victim he could use to control. But he was wrong! And that’s why his plan didn’t work and she killed him. This movie is all about control, about manipulation.
@@thesilentknight4554 Voltaire
I'm a Protestant Christian who came to faith in my mid-late 20"s
I thought this movie was excellent, probably my 1st or 2nd favorite movie of the year. I thought it was incredibly fair to both those who believe and those who don't.
My favorite scene is after he does his whole about Monopoly and music iteration, how sister Barnes takes his points apart. He doesn't respond, which shows he wasn't interested in the truth, he was interested in control
RM here -- I also enjoyed the film overall, but also was thinking most missionaries would be praying like crazy in this scenario.
7/10 movie for me. Glad there wasn't any swearing or major violence. Kind of reminded me of Barbarian. Not as good as Saint Maud.
As an American evangelical who is just barely clinging to what is left of my faith I found the movie incredibly intriguing, but I also disagree with part of its premise - that you can choose whether or not to believe. I've considered atheism, even tried to stop believing, but I simply can't. I have a good friend who is a former Mormon turned atheist, and I don't think he could change his mind either, at least not willingly. I think belief and disbelief aren't isolated choices, but the result of hundreds if not thousands of decisions we make every day
You're still an awesome missionary, great job!
I believe in the Great Pumpkin 🎃. 😳
It's so funny people saying this was inaccurate but never the inaccuracy of the church's existence. Interesting
This was a great review and prior to this I was closed to the idea of watching and contributing to a movie that spreads a great deal of misinformation about our church, but I'm a little more open to it now.
I just thought it was weird how when the Elder go check on the sisters it was only one of them like where’s his companion..
He was probably watching The Acolyte.
Thank you for sharing your insights on prayers. If Terrence Malick had directed Heretic, I imagine him infusing his signature inner dialogue, evident in the sisters’ prayers for guidance and assistance.
I mean this respectfully I am an ex Jehovah witnesses. I talk to ex JW all the time and ex Mormons. Anyone reading if you ever leave the Mormon church or the JWs please rewatch this. This movie will hit differently and hit harder. Rewatch it you will get the full effect of the movie because we all know how it’s like to fully believe in a faith to not believing at all. I know this is a movie about Mormon missionaries but this also applies to JWs. If anyone reading this ever leaves their faith please please watch it again you will thank me.
I want to say arguments against faith are useful like if you watch this on a classroom or hanging out, have a Q&A and talk about the points Hugh Grants character brings up don't fast forward through them. Talk about them if you have a responsible adult very wise in The Bible or faith then it will go well.
Its like in MMA you always want to fight someone as skilled or more, so some person IRL might come up to you and say what Hugh Grant said and you might stutter in shock as he took you aback and that can ruin your faith because the man now has you in his grasp and can take away your spirit. Being prepared for that will make you able to possibly even convert them into your faith.
edit: I mean with The MMA comment you practice objections to Mormonism and say faith breaking things to each other and think of arguments against the objections however if you never did that your faith will be weak.
Sorry to get long winded but I thought that when you said fast forward
There will be more movies like this targeting the LDS Church. There is so much money in it. A movie like The Heretic that targets Catholics or any Protestant denomination would never sell.
I've read the book of mormon, as well as the bible. Both were fundamental in my eventual abandonment of religion & every other form of magical thinking. Want to keep missionaries safe? Maybe don't send them door to door peddling fantasy? 😕
exactly, I will never understant why in this era of science and technology so many people still believe in these fairy tales. Makes for good horror movies at least.
They don’t believe it’s a fantasy, it’s real to them because they’ve experienced and felt things which to them are proof it’s real.
You may not have had that same experience and that’s fine. But don’t knock on someone’s beliefs
@ you Can experience something independently and unconsciously atribute it to a higher power to validate your belief but it really isn’t. I agree that there may be a being or some beings out there in the galaxy higher than us that we’d call God but its almost impossible that they interacted with us in the way these ancient texts record. Can’t be proven either way but there’s such things as common sense.
@@byuftbl Whether they believe it's a fantasy or not is irrelevant. There were things I believed I'd "experienced" that were most definitely not what I was attributing them to. Just because you believe a thing & it's "real to you" doesn't make it _actually real._ It's basically the same as claiming "alternate facts"-- there is no such thing. Beliefs without evidence are entitled to no immunity. If a belief can't withstand critique & scrutiny, & validate itself based on its own claims, then it must be discarded.
I really liked this movie and am glad the algarithm brought me to your interesting review!
I'm not LDS, I'm Church of England, and I really enjoyed this movie. For once it's wonderful to see a religious horror film that doesn't focus on Catholicism. TBH being a missionary sounds terrifying, there is no way I'm going into stranger's homes as a woman, even with a companion. I think anyone who has any religious belief has had that conversation with themselves or with others: "What do I believe? Why do I believe it? How do I reconcile that faiths apart from mine have very similar figures/stories, but I am deciding that MY interpretation is right?" I don't know about other parts of the world but here in the UK we do religious studies at school that tends to focus on Christianity and but does cover other religions as well. I LOVED this film, I thought it was very well done, it was very tense throughout, I was routing for the protagonists and Hugh Grant makes a spectacular villain. He hammed it up for his role as the baddie in Paddington 2, but here he is truly sinister. Excellent performances all around. I loved the way the Sisters were able to deconstruct Mr Reid's arguments and use logic to see through a miracle. If anyone has a crisis of faith due to watching this film, I'm going to suggest they may have been struggling to begin with. The prayer thing - while I understand where you're coming from when you say the girls would be praying constantly in this situation, you have to remember it's a movie. You can't grind to a halt every few minutes so the Sisters can fall to their knees and pray. Something you didn't mention (maybe for SPOILERS) is that both the Belief and Disbelief doors lead to the same place, so as far as doors go, it doesn't make a difference which one they chose. I don't know if the movie was trying to say something with this, but it is there. I have questions about Sister Barnes at the end, still not sure what happened there, but overall I really liked the film and its stance on belief.
The Mormon religion is wild 😅
I think people care about the underwear because of what they lore is behind them. We've all seen videos about what they mean whether actual Mormons know or not
Excellent and intelligent review.
both the actors were former members of the lds church according to the marketing
I have been meeting Missionary Sisters since April.
White Oak Ward, Jersey Village Texas.
Very cool! Tell them hello from me 😁
I don't mean to be rude but the bazilians only gave you atention because you're an imigrant. Usually they don't pay much atention to the mormons missionares
Are we supposed to know who Whitney is?
At the beginning I talk about how she's on the cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that's all you really need to know---if you don't know anything about that show though you might be confused haha 😅
I watched this movie Friday in Yuma, and it stuck with me afterward while I went shopping for household goods. Then, in the parking lot, it suddenly struck me that Mr. Reed is a polygamist, which ties in to things he'd said to the two Sisters about their (your) church's history.
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Polygamist Reed's "wives" were caged in the basement, trapped like all polygamist wives are. He was analogous to Joseph Smith seeking the "true religion". "Going down into to the basement with the Three layered "Hell" paralleled Mormonism's Three Degrees of Glory. Both doors of false beluef and athiesm lead to Hell.
This is a twisted pro-Mormon film produced and written by Mormons. DON'T waste your money on it. Mormon street rexruuters [erroneously called "missionaries"] aren't "victims". They are salesmen going out to entice naive people into a soul-destroying cult with a false prophet which Revelations states will take them into a lake of fire. Mormons are deceptive street recruiters sucking naive people into a cult which will destroy their lives, cause psychological damage, and rip out their souls. Spread the word that Christians and pastors are boycotting the film leads people to doubt their faith and tread down path to athiesm---JUST AS MORMONISM does. That is why Mormonism is called an Athiest Factory.
The "Mormon garment scene" made it appear that they were only being harrassed---It didn't show the garnent's occultic symbols or the bizarre Mormon ritual where Mormons are commanded by Satan to put on an green apron symbolic of Satan's power and precepts. The nitwit MORMON host of this podcast knows nothing about film---or true Mormonism. I am an ex-Mormon who has done 50 years of research on the Mormon cult. I also have a PhD in Film. I have been a film critic, and seen hundreds of films. Take my word for it.--- This film sucks. Join the boycott and warn people about it.
Almost my exact thoughts on the movie good takes fr
May I ask what are usually the doubts missionaries have? and how crucial are they to the core and fundamentals of their mission as well as their faith, such as is their doubts in whether Jesus was resurrected, is it more essential or is it the doubt on whether they should keep having faith not just in their faith but faith in humanity, that the human beings on this planet are worth fighting for and spreading the message and that it's not a waste of time?
Sure, I think it varies completely person to person, it can be anything. Something from the movie that i thought really illustrated what it’s like to question your faith is when sister paxton expresses doubt that prayer works, but then decides to pray anyway. Also, Mr Reed brings up tons of questions about the church, God, and Jesus, and the missionaries don’t have all the answers to his questions. However they choose not to trust him because, well, he’s terrifying and dangerous, and they instead keep their faith since it is something that brings them comfort and peace.
If you’re looking at the movie from a different perspective and deciding to view mr reed as an allegory for religion itself, you could say that the missionaries questioning Mr Reed and pointing out flaws in his logic is symbolic of them questioning their faith.
13:47 Just like it’s weird that mormons and other religions care what’s inside anyone’s underwear….
I'm always loved the moron tv commercials back in the 1970s
(16:30) "It's about how believing or not believing is a choice we make with consequences both ways. That's the point of the two doors."
Oh honey... 🤦♀ The two doors led to the exact same place. The consequence would have been the same regardless of which door they chose. There was no choice. The film is about the *illusion* of choice that religion offers while continually manipulating and gaslighting us so that we don't realize we're being manipulated and controlled.
I’ve never seen someone miss the point of a movie so hard.
Yes the doors both led to the same place but that doesn’t mean the theme of “belief and disbelief” isn’t still at the movies core.
Not to mention the fact that Mr Reed is literally a psychopathic murderer are you really siding with HIM?!?!
Sure, he might have a couple good points but the film literally tells you not trust him because his view of the world lacks nuance!
Heh… Kinda like your comment.
@@Rmurtube The stunning lack of self-awareness in you comment... Mr. Reed is a stand in for religion. Yes, he is the villain of the film - because he represents religion, you nitwit, and this film is very blatantly an anti-religious film.
Correct: You CAN'T trust him because his view of the world lacks nuance - just like religion! 😅 Watching this point sail right over the heads of you clueless brainwashed masses is quite hilarious.
And here's a newsflash: Just because I understand what his character represents, doesn't mean I am "siding" with him. I literally said that he is the one manipulating and gaslighting the protagonists, why would that give you the impression that I'm "siding" with him? 😂
@@ZachariahWiedemanYou’re quite clueless about religion yourself if you think religion is all just manipulation and control. The LDS religion does tell you to find out for yourself, ask questions, and choose whether you want to believe or not.
@byuftbl 😂😂😂
@@ZachariahWiedeman lmao whatever you say man. 😂
Now...Let´s talk about Polygamy!
OH LOL
"we're in the handicapped seats"
why?
Hahha so the reason was because the theatre was completely full and we were some of the last ones to enter, so it was the only seats left (If someone had come in who needed the seat I would have given it up in an instant and sat on the floor or something) There was also a whole row of handicapped seats so there were still some left for anyone who needed it.
I just wish they went deeper into Mormon history. All they mentioned was Fanny Algar: the 16 year old Joseph, a full grown man, was caught in a barn with (way before any of his polygamy revelations). They could have mentioned blood atonement: how Mormons used to teach you had to murder some sinners so their blood could add to Jesus's sacrifice. They could have mentioned how Brigham taught slavery was a divine institution and any who fought it were fighting against God. They could have mentioned Zina: the wife of a man that Brigham sent on a mission, a mother with two kids, who after sending the husband on a mission Brigham told her that god wanted the two of them to have intercourse. And Brigham Young impregnated the man's wife while he was on a mission. They could have mentioned LDS people believe Native Americans are taught by Mormons to be cursed with black skin people from Jerusalem--despite DNA proving native Americans have asiatic descent. So much Hugh's character could have mentioned that was forgotten. Could have talked about Book of Abraham and how that was proven to be a huge fraud. All the Bible verses that warn how much power false versions of Christianity would have in the last days.... so much more!
I agree...."The Heretic"was a hokey silly film which did not tell the Truth about Mormonism. But don't worry, my screenwriter friend [a former Mormon, now anti-Mormon] are writing a script about her terrifying ordeal which will expose ALL the sick Mormon beliefs and practices... Including their brainwashing tactics and their hideous practice of Bishop Shaming which screwed up a big 400 pound missionary's head so bad he morphed into a monstrous brute who psychologically, emotionally, and sexually abused her---and then the Mormon PR Machine went to extremes in a cover up to garner positive publicity which would save their pious Mormon Mormon Image by assassination of her character with "fake news" and a well orchestrated international press HOAX that SHE raped HIM. [She was a tiny petite 112 pound GIRL a wholesome virgin so beautful and talented that she ran for Miss USA. And HE was a huge 6'5" 400 pound brute. Her saga, a startling TRUE story which exploded in international headlines will blow the Mormon "church" apart by exposing the abnormal incidence of Mormon Sexual Abuse the way the Oscar-winning film "Spotlight" exposed sexual abuse by Catholic priests in children! Did you know the website floodlit.org documents 146 cases of Sexual Abuse by Mormon missionaries and return missionaries---ALL who were subjected to Bishop Shaming during "Worthiness Interviews" ---so there is a direct connection!)
My outspoken friend and i are screenwriters. She is a former Mormon and in the 70s was a campus rabble rouser as a teacher at BYU --- who protested their discrimination against minorities and their non-Biblical "scriptures" . They called her "The Erin Brockovich of Mormonism" and "The Gloria Steinem of BYU". When HER true story comes out, Mormonism is going to go down Big Time. And don't worry my friend, WE won't leave ANYTHING out!
Wait you seen normal…😮
Beets are incredible. I didn't see the video though.
I actually have a beet allergy
@@Gwowls oh no...
Iteration monologue tho.
Yes I get the teachings about sex but I wonder why neither of the girls thought of using their sexuality to save themselves. While it goes against what they were raised to believe being a WOMAN you use what women have been using since Adam and Eve to survive. I really wanted to see his reaction if one of them decided to come on to him to change his attitude.
Man I’d convert just to catch a Mormon wife if they’re coming like you haha. Hope that’s not heretical. Honestly tho.
Very pretty girl I like all the Mormon women i have met its becoming harder to not convert to become one because I need a good wife in my life.
I’m no longer a member of the Church, but I did serve a full time mission, was married in the temple and had lots of callings, mostly ward or stake missionary. I thought the movie was well thought out and was pretty accurate to the Church, but there were a few errors as well like Elder Kennedy going out to look for the sisters without a companion (ward or stake missionaries don’t go by Elder but rather brother), and Sister Paxton said she would want to come back as a butterfly when reincarnation is not part of LDS theology. Also, if I were to try and dissuade missionaries from their faith I wouldn’t stop at polygamy and Joseph Smith’s affair with Fanny Alger but would also bring up the fact that The Book of Abraham is not a literal translation of the papyrus. Anyway, it was a good film.
The butterfly thing was her PERSONAL feelings not her teachings
A heretic talkin about heresy?
you're beautiful.
You should watch Under The Banner Of Heaven.
Mr. Reed: How do you know its true?
Me: Acts 2:17
Mr. Reed: How do you know the Bible is True.
Me: Its never been proven untrue. I have a question for you Mr. Reed. What is the universe?
Mr. Reed: you tell me, religions belief in heaven.
Me: GOD.
that fake politeness
all too familiar 💀
Perfect description of the last guy I dated 👀
@@kayligo OOP
Welcome to Utah
haven't seen the movie yet but from descriptions, it seems like the right answer is to believe... buddhism!
Maybe stop knocking on strangers' doors so the Corporation can profit
🙄 Lame comment. The church has separate business ventures they own, but the tithing they get isn’t used in that, it’s used to build temples, churches, humanity projects, prophets and apostles get a little bit to have modest transportations and housing while they’re volunteering all their time for the church, etc. it’s not to “feed the corporation”
Wow this piece of propaganda really worked on you!
Just because she has a different opinion than you on a movie doesn’t mean she “fell for propaganda”. SMH 🤦♂️