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- This video discusses the differences and similarities between Ju and Aiki, and explore their expressions on the mats.
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Kano was really into Confucanism and rationalism and modern science where Ueshiba was into Zen and Shintoism.
Also yes
I think Daoism and Spinozism are also pillars of the philosophy of Judo. Mind and body as a whole, flexibility instead strength and general improvement individually and collective (Jita-Kyoei) to finding the way (Do).
I think we can all agree both these Men were unique individuals & great thinkers though they walked different paths regarding martial arts.
I have a collection of books regarding both Men. One in particular The Spiritual Foundations of Aikido is a most interesting read.
Thanks again Chadi for uploading this video.
Thank you Stephen
Wow. Can you share some of the books title? I'm interested in laerning the philosophies. I got technical book regarding aikido but little on the philosophical part. Thank you in advance.
Your videos are good because they spark calm and informative responses! Thank you!
Thank you Nikolai
Thank you Chadi. Both uplifting and enlightening.
Really enjoy the change in music in the latest videos. The content is interesting as always!
Thank you
Really intresting stuff, keep up the great content 👍
Thank you
Great video. Thank you.
Excellent video thank you. Just made a friend who’s been training aikido for years
Thank you
Youre the best chadi 🔥
Thank you Eduardo you're very kind
Good video brother. Loved it.
Thank you Brother
What an incredible vídeo. Subscribed, liked and activated notifications
Thank you 🙇🏻♂️
Perfect subject!!!!Congratulations!!!
Thank you Christos
Excellent! Many thanks :)
Thank you
Great video , I hold blackbelts in both shodan in Aikido and yodan in Judo, I have a love for both !
I love them both the same
@@Chadi I just wish I had done Aikido first, to prepare me for Judo and not the other way around it would have made things easier
Chadi thanks for the enthusiasm for judo! Can you put more kosen judo on your channel?
The basic principles behind Aikido and Judo are EXACTLY the same and are rooted in engineering laws although the 2 masters have no formal education in the subject. The manifestation between the two arts although are different. There are 2 ways to the path to mastery in my opinion. Decades and several thousands of hours of practice of knowledge passed down, the other being formal education in the subject. Examples who have no formal education in the sciences yet are effectively masters at it are: Stradivari, the greatest violin maker has effectively mastered sound engineering; Efren Bata Reyes, the "Magician" billiards player has effectively mastered mathematics (geometry) and physics (kinetics). The Japanese sword makers have effectively mastered metallurgical engineering. Kano-sensei (as well as Mifune-sensei) and O-sensei fall in the same rank as they have mastered mechanics. They all fall in the first category above and have no formal education on the subject they are masters at. O-sensei probably talks gibberish as his students say because the techniques can only be explained by engineering language which he does not have a clue and attempt to explain it by spiritual language to which I think he has a lot of expertise. I am in the sciences and have practiced aikido for more than 2 decades. The techniques can be explained by mechanics although it took me 20 years to realize it and after a lot of heartaches, trials and errors. But I did finally have the eureka moment. I made Saito-sensei Sr. as my role model and I found his techniques to be repeatable. I fall in the second category. Sorry but the definition to describe Aikido, although 99.9% of aikidoka describe it as such, as being blending, using the opponent's energy or redirecting ukes energy do not give it justice and inaccurate in my opinion. Judo and Aikido techniques offer the least use of energy by nage when he manipulates uke using sound scientific principles. This is why I think Judo is described as the gentle art. The "secret" to understanding the basic principles of aikido and Judo are in the "katai" version of the techniques and not in the flowing version. You can only transition to flowing techniques once you have mastered the the static/katai version, not the other way around, which Osensei has done. Mastering only the flowing version will only give hollow understanding of the basics. Once you can explain the principles, you can actually invent techniques which I think Mifune-sensei as an excellent example for Judo.
Oh wow! That's a brilliant analogy
Very cool
Do people know that O Sensi claimed he could see the enemies harmful intentions in the form of a white ball of light that he could dodge and that made him practically invincible so to make a martial art where you cannot only avoid harm but also afford to keep your enemy safe from your own harm basically he was super sayain level vs a grocery store bagger
Interesting comparison
Worth looking into
Well done
Thank you Rashid
Nice video
Thank you
Hey Chadi!
Thanks for the effort you put in to your fantastic videos and the research you've done so far! I would love to chat with you about some classical kobudo history and how it relates to grappling today. Is there a way to send you an email or something? Thanks!
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Aiki is not a phylosophy, aiki is a daito ryu technique, a strategy. what you see in aikido is still jujutsu. It works but is limited by your body strengh, and your speed. Aikido has holes in the techniques because Ueshiba sensei never teached how he was teached by Takeda Sensei. Thank god he teached Sagawa sensei and Kodo sensei.
Yoshimitsu Minamoto developed aiki to answer the question, How I can actually do something when that person is taller and stronger than me?what if is a mma gorilla with steroids? what can I do?. The samurai weren't stupid, the were very fucking smart actually.
What we see today is a watered down version of the techniques that they developed, see how people are worst at judo now that Mifune Sensei. I thought kata was a waste of time until I discovered Kuroda sensei.
Yeah, I agree with you on this. The techniques you see in Aikido are Jiu-Jitsu techniques. I've made two videos on my channel - one on Aikido and another on the philosophy of Judo randori. Please check them out and let me know what you think.
Finally, someone who knows what is going on. Hombu dojo has shortchanged all of us studying aikido.
Itsusu no kata remind me the waves in the sea how they move, 2 seperate energies meet and interact with each other. Anyway becoming 100% analogical with your opponent in order to use all your opponent energy is something to go for technically , the Caucasian ppl you mentioned have a different mentallity and philosophy about fighting , it's a more personal thing, it's about reaching your peak of strength, speed, stamina etc phisical and mental , it has more to do with you than your interaction with your opponent. You see the more powerful wave swallow the less powerful if the interaction is opposition. Both philosophies are needed to become better in judo. Now about aikido VS judo philosophy as you said its too much of a conversation needs hours, aikido is more spiritual, religious and philosophical, judo philosophy is about letting your actions talk, we can say judo is not about talk the talk but walking the walk. Sometimes in judo though you must remind ppl that you need to use less power to throw someone and as you grow up in the sport you cultivate that ability, not everyone understands that.
Exactly! that's they're called "ideals"
Did Sensei Kano and Sensei Ueshiba ever meet in person?
Hi Chadi, superb videos i'm currently BJJ, ex-Judo practitioner and also i do Kendo as well, really very good quality videos, could you do a video about different BJJ schools, organisations and affiliations, there are very few non-biased videos out there and for newbies its really hard to understand differences betwen Gracie Barra, Checkmat, Allaince, Grucai Humaita, 10th Planet and so on.
I'll add it to the list
Being only Nidan in Tomiki Aikido I can't claim to be an expert in that field but for self defense I believe Judo or JuJitsu, in both of which I'm Godan, would be a better way to go. Of course, now in my 80s I rely more on the martial art which I call Hikigane Yubi Do (Trigger Finger Way).
Wow that's quite the resume in martial arts i applaud your consistency and drive sir, i hope i can achieve half of it
@Kali Southpaw Read my comment again, only pay attention this time. I am now in my 80s. THAT is why I rely on my trigger finger, in which I am as close to Judan as anybody you ever met. 20 or 30 years ago when I was only 50 or 60 years old I could still easily defend myself in hand to hand combat on the street. I may still be able to do so, HOWEVER, at my age it is more expedient to just shoot any asshole who wants to attack me. Note - when I retired from Judo competition I was AAU Open Weight Champion of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Tennessee. I was also the P.E., Self Defense and Firearms Instructor for the New Orleans Police Department. The last street fight I had I was 48 and he was 26. He was transported to the hospital for treatment prior to being booked for assault. I was treated by a whisk broom for dirt on my clothing. Like I said, I could probably defend myself against an attacker but I'd rather not get my clothes dirty like the last time, hence Hikigane Yubi Do. Like Bruce Lee said in Enter The Dragon "The art of fighting without fighting".
@@donaldduke2233 New Orleans present.
@@donaldduke2233 lmao so you want to go to prison?
@@donaldduke2233 man you’d think someone of your age would be wise but you still want to take lives? Jesus old man, grow up.
I wish I could train aiki from a more combative functional perspective. Not that I want to hurt others, I avoid violence, but I do like to feel like my martial arts are "functional" and really enjoy pressure testing my skills with other students.
Could you talk about gozo shioda, wich in fact, there Is a video where he defeat to a TV HOST, with a huge difference in age, size AND strength.
Surr
Yooo there's plenty street fights online why did they drop the judo one?
I sent a request for it to be back up, probably someone flagged it
It’s an allegory. Plumb tree = Old China ( where Ueshiba learnt a little Pa Kua and something about Chi training) Pine Tree is alluding to Japan and the Mother Art of Jiu Jitsu. Bamboo alludes to the old giving birth to the new with incredible flexibility and resilience--Taiwan and Okinawa where Japanese “ masters” often slide off to quietly learn the essence based on Taoist Principles and ancient Bunkai. Me? About 70 years old lived in Asia 42 years, highly ranked and seen waaaay to much. BTW I don’t think any Judo or Jiu Jitsu people would fare well against old style PaKua from what I saw in numerous Taipei alley fights yin the early’70’s
Thank you for sharing
......yeah sure.
I have understood Moriheu ueshiba is the founder of Aikido but Jigoro Kano is the founder of shotokan or goju ryu karate?
Kano is the founder of judo.
Kodokan Judo
Aiki is an internal body development system, not a technique. Mifune had aiki, and the high technical skills. Same with Ueshiba. Those non-technical body skills haven't really been passed on. Modern aikido and judo is now a pale imitation of what it was a long time ago.
Chadi, correct me if I am wrong. In Aikido, great care is taken not hurt the opponent but to subdue him. In Aikido, they redirect the opponent's momentum. In Jiu Jitsu the force is not redirected, it is used against him. In Judo, we use throws which are more effective than a punch because we use the force of gravity against our opponent.Minimum effort, maximum gain. I don't know about you guys, but I get a real feeling of confidence from throwing my opponent to the mat.
I think Ueshiba tried to transcend this entire fighting thing by expressing his philosophy for peace through martial techniques tgat were meant to hurt someone
Also feel Ai has psychological component. Leading is a major part of aiki. I know people laugh at no touch throws but I experienced one in 20 years of training) where effectively my flinch response caused me to fall on my back when I wasn't expecting movement to head. The timing and leading was perfect. Is it practical.. probably not, but to do so for unbalancing I think can work.
Man, I really wish I could have gotten training from the original masters so that I could actually see what it's supposed to be like.
did not realize ju and yawara were synonyms
Mifune was magical...
books from beginner to master for my daughter , please
Mind over muscle
Canon of judo
Kodokan Judo
Vital judo 1&2
The game of jujitsu
I always thought Aikido was supposed to be supplementary to Judo to teach Judoka standing joint locks that are illegal in Judo and to provide unarmed defense against weapons and defense for when someone tries to take your weapon-hence all the wrist grab defenses. Am I wrong? Otherwise why create Aikido when there was already Aiki-Jujitsu? I thought this is why Ueshiba's first students already had black belts in Judo and/or Karate. Isn't that correct? Why would Aikido dojos insist on that in the beginning if Aikido was not intended to be supplemental? When I encountered Aikido at age 20 I immediately thought it was a great supplement to the Wrestling and Judo that I already knew but not a replacement since it showed me these wrist, elbow and shoulder locks that were illegal in scholastic wrestling. Although the "projections" in Aikido definitely have overlap with Judo and Wrestling.
Aikido is the use of these martial techniques but for the purpose of not fighting the philosophy of Aiki existed way back, yes it was combative but Ueshiba's was to end competition and fighting because he himself has fought in wars etc so when he started teaching he inly wanted mature martial artists
@@Chadi I feel you've misunderstood Ueshiba quite badly. Aiki is a word and concept that is quite old, but the way that Aikido expresses it is very much a recent thing. The original concept was purely martial in approach: blend and control. This is still the primary interpretation take in daito ryu today. Ueshiba's view of it started from the daito ryu viewpoint and conventional meaning within Japanese language. It's reflected in his style of training prior to the 1940's. This all changed when he became a believer and follower of the Omoto Ryu religion. It is only at, and from, that point that we see a shift in his writing and his outlook towards the "peace and universal reconciliation" that aikido assumes today. It's important to remember that Ueshiba was being quite literal when he was talking about "becoming one with the universe through training." That's a direct religious goal of Omoto Ryu (and most sects of Buddhism, where it lifted it from). He wasn't thinking or saying this because he'd fought in wars. He was still very much a supporter of the Japanese government during WW2 and had no problem with war per se. The change was purely religious in nature. Ueshiba makes a lot more sense when you understand the tenets of Omoto Ryu: Ueshiba is simply expressing them as goals to attain via training. He sees aikido as a religious vehicle for the individual. He was, quite simply, more than slightly a bit of a religious nutter after age ~35. It's very much a reason why he was shunted off out of Tokyo and away from Hombu dojo once his son set it up as a business to trade on his father's pre-war reputation.
Kime no kata has swords and knives and how to defend yourself. Koshiki no kata has forbiden techniques. Both budo are not really about the techniques.
Techniques are fun. If you keep it at that, both budo are effective.
They were clearly trying to throw him but he Makes it look like he was training with children....
Exactly
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As a person who researches Aikido and to much extent Daito ryu history seriously, i find these stories extremely unlikely that ever happened.First of all who was this guy? For somebody who beat some of the best of the best of the time, there is no photo of him, no real records of his birth, death or other details, his martial arts studies.. There is literally nothing on him in english, and very little info in Japanese.. and then there is the claim that he beat both greats in a match -Takeda and Ueshiba! You seriously?- these are the real giants of martial arts of the era. It is rather well documented that Takeda would challenge just Anybody who dared to oppose him, and win in a flash. No matter how big how strong how fast his opponent, one just couldn’t do anything when in contact with Takeda sensei, Takeda sensei was master of Aiki.In Fact he mocked judo all his life, calling it not real, just a sport etc., in his demonstrations he would call strongest looking persons to try him out, had his arms tied and invite everybody to take him down, nobody could. Or allow to grab him anyway you like or strangle him and then free himself in a flash. That is how he gained his students. Ueshiba-arguably the best of his students, was like that too. No judo man could do anything against him, there are plenty of stories,in fact, most of his students was high ranking judoka, some even returned their ranks back to kodokan after experiencing Ueshibas art. Judo founder himself after witnessing demonstration of Ueshiba, said that this is the real judo, and all we are doing is just a sport, and then send some of his best to study with Ueshiba sensei. Anyway.. there are tons of information about Takeda And Ueshiba ,their reputation, who studied with who and why and for how long.. and this person Kenpachi Murai, is he even a real person.. you know what i mean. Your channel is entertaining etc., but you should check your facts more seriously before posting. (Edit: please do not delete comments that you do not like,as input from other researchers is important, thank you)
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One of the reasons it takes a long time to become an expert.
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You need to keep studying
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I would prefer a Subscribestar account. I don't like censorship. Anyways, I would like to tip you on this interview with Maeda. I have no idea why this guy stopped making videos a year ago. But this is clrear evidence that Maeda, at least, didn't use Judo and Jiu-Jitsu interchangeably. On the contrary. He was very specific about him being a judoka and what the differences were, in 1905!
th-cam.com/video/H3M0PB5X5_I/w-d-xo.html
Suppose it could be useful information for Rhysdale too.
I'll add it to the list
If Aiki is subset of Ju so maybe it's not Aiki at all but Ju itself? :)
Aikido comes from Daito Ryu Aiki-jujitsu.
@@Westwood1816 thanks, I know Aikido origins and my question wasn't about that.
You can say Aiki is a limb in thr anatomy of Ju
Are people from the Caucasus really that stocky and having that raw strength? Not that it matters to much, but it's kind of news to me. Honestly, I don't know that many people from the region, but if you look at "sports" like Strong Man, it is usually dominated by two groups, Nordics (and I am no Nazi so that includes Poles and Russians), and West Africans. But if you say so. Since you have Armenian origin, I suppose you should know.
Caucus/Russian people dominated the olympics since forever, that's not news they're strong or at least most of their athletes are.
@@Chadi stop talking trash or give fact check: what sports did caucasus people dominated in since forever - tell their names/what sports did russians dominated in since forever - tell their names too.
@@Chadi Well, they may have have a generally different physique, which shows in their competition style, but on the other hand, I haven't seen too many Caucasian "strong men".
At least in Judo and Wrestling, non-Russian guys from the Caucasus Mountain Ranges are playing big time
11 of the 12 Russian Judokas and Wrestlers who have won gold medals at the London and Rio de Janeiro
Olympics ain't ethnically Russian
Judo
Arsen Galstyan Armenian
Mansur Isaev Avars
Tagir Khaybulaev Avars
Beslan Mudranov Circassians
Khasan Khalmurzaev Ingush
Wrestling
Dzhamal Otarsultanov Chechens
Bilyal Makhov Circassians
Roman Vlasov Russian
Alan Khugaev Ossetian
Soslan Ramonov Ossetian
Abdulrashid Sadulaev Avars
Davit Chakvetadze Georgian
@@ArpMadore1 Well, the only one to score a point on Karelin was a Swede.
I come here to say i watched your video on self defense. and find it ridiculous that it was taken down by youtube. you are literally talking about being a responsible martial artist when outside the dojo (wich most dont at all). we can have full UFC fights with people mauling eachother for 30 minutes straigt, but cant see what to do/ dont do when in danger?
Atrocious.
Someone maliciously flagged it! I appealed it to TH-cam, in case it doesn't work i will keep appealing and reuploading. I won't stand for censorship
@@Chadi if anything, i can back you up, and then you copystrike me. if gets a strike, i have plenty left.
@@vittocrazi i really appreciate it but it's okay I'll reupload with a more family friendly version.
@@vittocrazi i really appreciate it but it's okay I'll reupload with a more family friendly version.
@@Chadi perfect. and im sorry if i was disrespectful. just had a reminder of a channel that i liked, and had to be re done about 4 times and now its nearly impossible to find (he was a spanish youtuber that built things)
How come you compare incomparable, exept the fact that every martial art and combat sport have much in common?!
Kano and Ueshiba are even from different generations, while Sokaku Takeda and Kano Jigaro represent the one.
Kano was the first to modernize martial culture and make it a sport, while Ueshiba represented the old and more traditional approach. He only got further in the pshyhological aproach of martial art culture, though he didn't envent nothing new, than Sokaku Takeda and that's it! That's why he created Aikido - because he felt that he got further than his teacher, but not in technical but spiritual approach. Kano's teaching lacked practical approach and was not martial art anymore - it became westernized sport.
There's no reason to compare those teachings in a complementary way, you did it.
Who said they're incomparable??? Why can't i? Aiki and Ju existed long before them. It has nothing to do with their generation, i shared writing and demonstrations and you did not adress any of that.
@@Chadi There's no Aiki in Judo, as there can't be any in sport. Aiki and Ju incomparable, to know that one should know what they are about. You know only about Ju, but do not know what Aiki is. You no expert to make such statements as you did!
You want to know who said that? You think you are talking to noname, while you are some kind of huge figure?) Well, Kenji Tomiki said. Now, take a deep breath.