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"why didn't Vader clone his limbs?"
The writers didn't think of it at the time.
Exactly 😂
"Hey!, What if we get this guy all dressed in black to cut the hero's hand off and we give him a prosthetic one that looks exactly like the hand he'd lost but we still put a glove on him to cover the mechanic stuff? We'll get a lot of nerds hyped up!"
22 years later and some midichlorian stuff up:
"Well... I think we may have messed up a bit but we can somehow fix it, right? Right?"
I don't know, Sidious believed his weakened power was actually due to a mental block and i'm pretty sure he was briefly proven right in Legends.
Some of it was due to his mental state,but he did also lose some potential.
Both reasons are correct,they dont negate each other
If not for his mental state he would have surpassed Sidious but still not be at strong as full potential Anakin
Which comic bro I want to read it
Both are true. Alot of it was mental. He couldn't get rid of his former self completely.
Losing all his limbs didn't help him any either.
Anyone surprised Palpatine is willing to become trans using OmEEga or Rey, so long as it furthered his life and/or Force abilities?
@@Snowboardjedi892No a narcissist with a god complex like Palpatine will do anything for power.
You missed another successful clone as Luke himself had several clones of himself produced by Joruus, and Thrawn, and if both Starkiller's and Joruus' clones count Luke's should as well.
This helmet off thumbnail is the best artistry of Vader I have ever seen!!
I learned the other day that Obi-Wan grew another Anakin using some bacta in a bathtub and Anakin's severed hand
That dudes content is great too lol
Nah I can’t believe this popped up here
Really?
Well, I guess if Luke was cloned and his name was Luuke...this is okay. These Skywalkers need to stop losing their damn limbs😑
Wait a minute, how the fuck did he manage to get Anakin's hand?! 🤨
everyone: trying to clone force sensetives and failing
marka ragnos: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
so happy you will be making a video for X1 and X2 was worried that you wouldn't say anything about them but am glad you mentioned them and really can't wait for that video
If I were Vader, I would have found another Force sensitive, cut off their limbs, then cloned replacements and watched what happened. Then he could see how he should proceed based off the results.
Do you ever think about doing your show in the podcast form? I would love listening to your episodes on spotify.
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What do you mean?
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Thumbnail Vader lookin' like Sudowner.
A linux nerd?
No, I was talking about the boss from Metal Gear Rising.
@@patrickglaser1560wth you talkin about
Would you be willing to make a reading guide for legends, continuity, and canon because I do not know where to start if I want to get into Star Wars comics
Imagine how much better all of the Star Wars shows could be if they had just left Palpatine dead and Anakin/Luke as the chosen ones. We could potentially have so many good stories instead of them desperately trying to fix the 💩 that is “somehow Palpatine returned”.
Also i would count the clone trooper Glitch which was more of a im not sure what to call it since he is a clone of a none force sensitive but somehow was connected to the force unlike his brothers
The first successful force sensitive clone was one made by Eldon Ax’s blood. When her mom created the clone she used chemicals to suppress her sensitivity to the force instead of weeding it out. I think part of the process to actually make a force sensitive clone is using something the blocks out the force during the process. I have a theory that if a force clone was ever made of Nathema then the process wouldn’t be disturbed by the force.
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Joruus was unstable due to fast growth using Spaarti cloning technology. Thrawn needed to use ysilimari to stabilize the clones so they wouldn't develop madness.
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My question is, assuming that they survived, why weren't Vader's limbs not recovered and reattached...? For that matter, why wasn't Padawan Skywalker's arm reattached after that fight with Darth Tyranus?! It was laying right there in plain sight for goodness sake!
Did vlVadar ever look into some of the dark and/light side nexuses or Anomalies? What if he had, is it possible for him to have used the heightened connection to heal him self?
Can you do video about people that successfully managed to give non-force users the powers of the force. Like the reborn and shadow troopers from Jedi outcast and Jedi academy.
Was literally asking myself that after listening to the video about Vader’s helmet being an insult.
You know it might uave worked since unlike cloning a full functional individual he only would have needed a clone that had enough force sensitivity and functional limbs(that wouldn't decay like Sidious's in canon), mental stability wasn't needed or anything
Regarding Galen, there are several hints that Vader simply fooled him again into believing he was someone he was not. The dead body showed to the "perfect" version of Galen, the real sith Starkiller that was came to see what was supposed to see Galen Marek's corpse, was dressed in tattered clothes that suggested that he was exposed to combat previously to his death, though they were not the jedi battle robes provided to Galen just before his fight against Vader and Sidious. There's also the firm belief of master Rahm Kota that Starkiller from TFU 2 was indeed Galen Marek (the dude was a force sensitive and a fucking jedi battlemaster and general. He even felt his and Galen's future as master and apprentice, respectively, while Galen was still one of Vader's puppet. Honestly, I believe he clearly felt Galen in the supposed clone we play as in the second game, thus his conviction). Don't know about you guys, but I believe Kota knew his shit
He should have done it,even if his own midis didn't spread out to the new limbs, (though they might) he'd be much more mobile, probably almost as much as he was before ending up as a pizza. Also, lung and eye transplants DO exist, so he could not have the breathing or eyesight problems if he so chose. I think it would have been worth the risk
He just secretly liked being 6'8".
I have to wonder if it was ever considered trying to destroy the midichlorians in a Force user. It could be a tactic used to bring down Jedi/Sith in a bio warfare way. Sort of like an antibiotic killing off bacteria.
If you can’t give someone force abilities how did Mother Talzin give savage Opress abilities? I’m fairly new to Star Wars lore,canon etc I’m genuinely curious
Thanks in advance
Just a random thought? Anakin was very good with machines he would realize to break down the body like a machine, clone just the body not force sensitive and then imbue his dark energy into that limb after the surgery
Kind of like bleeding his kyber Crystal to make it red
For that matter, why didn't Luke use a cloned hand instead of a mechanical one?
This is strange as I believe this is where the bad batch season 3 is taking Omega's character. The Kaminoan scientist keeps destroying her blood samples. So it makes it look like she is a successful force sensitive clone and it's literally being hidden in plain sight
in the case of cloning Anakin, why not Sidious simply clone the body and use Essence Transfer to the body? Also, the complexity of the Force was only through creation of total Force Sensitive individuals. All Vader has to do is clone body parts
Cool.
Better yet, why can't he clone himself. I think it's better to use the mind transfer.
It didnt work with full on clones, Vader would only be cloning legs and arms and from his own cells not from some random limbs from a random person, so i would think it would work in his case
There was one other thing that he never tried returning to the Light Side and using the Light Side to heal himself! I personally believe he could have healed the damage to his body with the Light Side of the Force as the Dark Side is corruptive & rejects him as soon as he feels any positive emotion upon succeeding in healing said damage! Those Force visions from the comics showing how he could return to the Light & make peace with the Obi-Wan show that Anakin had other options than remain as The Emperor's lackey & basically a slave to the Dark Side which had brought him nothing but pain & suffering (it failed to save the love of his life, destroyed the Republic that he once served, & made him the enemy of the Jedi)!
I really wish there was an official what-if series that would dive into a scenario where Anakin recognizes his turn to the Dark Side is what took his wife & destroyed his body as Obi-Wan tried to warn Anakin he was prepared to cut him down with his It's Over Anakin! I Have The High Ground! line as to me it was a line in the sand so to speak, Vader cross it and Obi-Wan followed through! Its an interesting idea as it could allow Anakin to discover his children survived & potentially be a father to them!
If Darth Vader cloned, and grafted limbs back on; Luke Skywalker would’ve cut his hand off anyway. Not only that but after that he might have turned to the dark side after not seeing wires in the sleeve (he wouldn’t have seen his hand removal as an act of mercy and have remorse after).
I thought clone X1 and X2 were clones of rom koda from the game Star Wars battlefront game for the DS? I remember that game and it was koda. The Jedi clone ended up finding koda by mistake and koda told him.
Don't worry he's still had more body mass therfore cells then yoda and more MidiChlorinents per cell. And as yoda had enough juice to match Sidious then Vader had more than enough.
Im pretty sure people dont lose power from lack of limbs. Its not total medichlorians its medichlorians per cell. Yoda had the highest count in the jedi order per cell before anakin came along but yoda would not have had the most in total amount because of how small he is. This was explained in the phantom menace that its how many you have per each cell rather than how many total. The only thing that does affect them is their potential connection due to cybernetics but not their potential. Vader was explained to have been held back by his mental state and a mental block, not his loss of limbs.
C’boath supposedly killed the dark Jedi in the legends series, confirmed by himself and later but the natives on wayland
I am watching all this thinking about cloning and the bad batch with the last episode with Emperor Palpatine with this last season to be revealed there's three possibilities as far as who is in the Clone Chambers Palpatine a Starkiller type character or Anakin Skywalker. Everything says Palpatine my money that was on Anakin Skywalker
What about Luke's clone in dark empire?
I didn't hear you mention that Luke Skywalker was cloned .
THANK YOU!
Skywalkers need to " keep it together"😅😂😂😅😂😅
Anakin was NOT force sensitive , he WAS the force.
The force created him .
Even in the extremely warped Disney cannon Anakin did not die on the death star , he transcended into a higher form .
The rules of force sensitives do not apply to him as they do everyone else .
Who knows , he might have even been able to completely heal himself if he tried hard enough.
What is blud waffling about?
@@austinbevis4266 Basically, even The Ones (like The Son) taking Anakin's body, amped him to such a degree that the whole jedi order + palpatine vs him stood no chance. This is because to be The Chosen One has no limits, because that's like saying The Force has limits.
People keep trying to count his Midichlorians, but as George Lucas puts it, he could of had 30,000, or even 40,000, this is pointless because he is the embodiment of The Force.
You can think of The Force like a bright light, and the Midichlorians like moths. The moths like to group up in mass to where the light is brightest, and to force sensitives, the moths can guide them and direct them. However, with Anakin, it felt more like the moths (Midichlorians) just bunched up to him naturally instead to what a max cell count could do, if they could house more, they would.
This is why in Mortis, Anakin could pull off feats that went beyond what he should do with that science. If another being with 40,000 midichlorians came to Mortis, they could not have subdued The Son and The Daughter in the same manner as him.
The best comment in TH-cam history hands down seriously bro the best explanation I have heard@@shiningarmour6805
Yes you are absolutely right
@@shiningarmour6805the best comment in the history of TH-cam hands down seriously bro this is the best explanation I have heard
Why clone. Just transplant limbs from another Jedi
The M count and do you think sidious would allow it
Palpatine knows what he’s doing regarding his cloned bodies since he has access to ancient Sith texts and knowledge. Moff Gideon is just a wannabe in wanting to harness the force. Gideon should’ve done research to know that the force will reject him and his failed clones
It's not the amount of midichlorians, it's how you use them :P
Jokes aside, midichlorian number thing is an elusive subject isn't it? Does a body builder sith/jedi may have more midichlorians by increasing his/her muscle mass? Couldn't Vader make up for his missing limb midichlorians by increasing his muscle mass since midichlorians live in host's cell structure?
Imagine if he'd insulated the outside of his suit for electricity.....
Vader with all them Force Users he knocked off... its a bit gory but no more then quite a few Sith actually did an wouldnt even be the WORST even...
Would such a thing as "Donors" be a thing?? Just take "Matching Donor" organs that not just match body type but see if he somehow couldn't get his M-Count back up too somehow??? Or would that be an impossibility. Even IF basically all he could seriously use would be a Lung an other Organ transplant. Since those were nearly useless
This is very interesting. It's extremely dangerous to clone Force sensitives. They're deranged,extremelly dangerous. Some are. It's good Vader didn't try. May the Force be with you too. Have amazing day too
If Vader had learned the power Essence transfer which Palpatine uses. Anakin could have made clones of his actual body and transfer his essence to them
Curious enough, you left out Set Harth and Luke Skywalker.
I believe Vader should have tried when it comes to his limbs on his legs and his arms and hands
So we're just gonna pretend like he couldn't not clone his arm that was cut off by count doku.
Honestly in my belief, I believed Vader could of regrew his limbs and healed himself, despite his midi-chlorian count severed in half. Lets say if it was possible, if it was so, Vader would have been way to overwhelming towards everyone and everything. Even Luke and Sidious wouldn't have been enough to handle Anakin Skywalker.
I think he did have everything ready too upgrade but then Luke happened and he got cold feet
All Vader had to do was take his limbs to the Valley Of The Jedi. Blamo they now got the force.
bring back the ewoks!
So how many mediclorians are in his robotic limbs then?... if we're going to involve mediclorians in the reason why it's not a good idea then if cloning technology is possible then the removal of the mediclorians from cells is also possible and if vaders robotic limbs don't have mediclorians and is fine with the force then he doesn't need limbs with mediclorians or if theyre able to reattach cloned limbs then they could attach non anikin limbs from force sensitive non clone doners!
I have always hated with a passion the idea that Vader's diminished potential was due to a loss of flesh. This goes against what was a central tenet of the original trilogy. Size matters not. If Yoda could be as powerful as he was despite not being the biggest fore wielder, than connection with the force should have had nothing to physicality. I think a better argument for Vader's lost power would have been because of severe mental trauma that kept him from fully embracing either the dark side or light side of the force, and the fact that much of his force power was diverted to keeping his damaged body alive at all times.
the Bad Batch also seams to be going down this rout, with Palpatine stating that "project necromancy" is above any other Imperial priorities. this seams to be filling in a piece to later justify the plot within the Disney films as it's trying to clone force sensitives with no power loss. the focus in the current season of the Bad Batch being that Omega is a success to some degree towards this project. how this doesn't ret con Vader's connection to the idea is simple, it was something Palpatine would keep to himself.
man, Force Unleashed 2 was a massive downgrade in every way. the psp Battlefront games had fun ideas but never lived up to the first 2 games, though they were closer.
Snoke, I thought he was from Palpatine?
Same dude, same. I'm almost positive he is.
Are you saying his cloned limbs would not have midi-chlorians in them
Why Vader Decided Not to Clone His Limbs - Star Wars Explained - because he didn't want to.
You know its funny Vader couldn’t clone himself but he could clone Starkiller which is pretty crazy to me. He couldn’t heal or clone himself but managed to clone somebody else who rivals that of Anakin and Luke in terms of raw potential in the force
That was a risk and out of so many failed trees is one thing doing a experiment on someone else then trying that on yourself
Wasn't there also a clone of luke?
In real life there are studies to use DNA from Salamanders to copy their regenerative abilities in humans.
What Vader should had done is not cloning, but used Kaminian genetic tech to implant himself with regenerative abilities from another species, and then just let his body naturally regenerate itself. With Kaminoan tech and bacta it should certainly be possible.
Another path would be Midichlorian Manipulation, the power Palpatine actually promised Anakin. Plagueis stopped aging and was reversing his aging, his respiratory irreversible damage was beginning to heal.
But Palpatine never shared what little he knew about this with Vader and Palpatine himself never understood that ability like Plagueis did.
In canon the most straightforward way would be to stop and think for 5 seconds and summon his ROTS body from Momin's portal just like Momin summoned his own body from there, then transfer himself to that body, again like Momin. He wouldnt even need to learn Essence Transfer, going into the portal automatically separated him from his body, just summon his uninjured body, step into the portal and hop into that body.
But about limbs, I feel that there is huge difference from cloning willess limbs and clone an entite force sensitive. Cloning limbs and organs for himself, should be much easier and I feel the will of the Force would be ok with that, because the Chosen One should not be maimed. I think cloning for the sake of healing as opposed to cloning an entire being is unexplored and could be successful.
When you said x1 and x2 I was thinking about xmen cloning.
I don’t understand this concept of losing a limb and losing any power or meta whatever mental blocks due to losing limbs yes but not losing power or connection
That is actually a very good question
If he could, then Vader would've been able to conjure Force Lightning ⚡️ after all.
Like Malgus did, and he too had cybernetics and a respiratory system!
What about the clone of Luke Skywalker??
Surely just having flesh and bone limbs would be more comfortable than his cyborg body right? Who cares if they aren’t force sensitive?
So how the hell did Starkiller get cloned?
Why not just transplant donor limbs then?
just clone whole body
Wasn't Omega a clone, and Force-Sensitive? I didn't watch Bad Batch, but I thought she was both.
So, I want to be an idiot. Someone might easy say "go watch the video", but why was Vader so scared of adapting his suit? Nothing said it all had to be done in one swap. A part here, and another part there, could have been swapped. Sure, it's pressurized, but we see him gwt entirely out if it now, and bathe in bacta. We see the Emperor crush his limbs, and leave him on that burning brach, again. We see Kenobi hewn a whole chunk if his helmet, and he's fine. He gets wrecked somewhat regularly in the comics, even if it takes huge beasts, or hordes of enemies, and he lives just fine. This always feels more like "this is the Vader we presented, and as changes have been made, we've written ourselves into corners, so here's this excuse!" Ecen dying, he lived for a fair bit, so it seems like they could have submerged him in bacta, segmented the replacement parts, dried him off, and better armor Vader, but that's not what the movies we can't change depicted, so don't ask questions! 😊
The eerie thing is, I was just wondering about this question yesterday. I didn't tell anyone what was on my mind, and yet here is my question answered.
Meanwhile, why no mention of Omega here? It would appear that she, a clone of Jango Fett (and therefor technically the sister of Boba and every one in the GAR) who herself may be mildly Force sensitive when her 'father' was not, and is also apparently the key to M Count Transfer in clones.
Day 416 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Apparently so is Omega in BadBatch
Omega
Snoke is a clone of lukes hand wtf
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See, I deem this explanation of loss of potential as rubbish. Vader lost a limb as Anakin, yet he was still ascending to the peak of his power, and the Ones never considered him any less. Malgus and Sion were never diminished in the Force, nor was Plagueis. Hell, look at Maul, who was only growing more and more powerful despite losing half his body.
The issue is Vader's focus, and obsession with the past. When he focuses on the present, as when he found out about Luke, he reaches the height of his powers around and after Episode V. And even then, he's got more potential, with the example of Malgus where Malgus gave himself entirely to the Dark Side being repeatedly used by Sidious in Legends to try and push Vader to the height of his potential.
😂 imagine Anakin Skywalker/Vader ending up with a Jawas arms and legs like Sebulba from Phantom Menace!!!! Clown Vader the Emperors mighty Jester!!!! 🎉 🎪
Uh duhhh one of Luke’s new generation jedis was a clone who tested multiple massive starships with a force push from a planets surface lmfao
Sith don't waste time with midiclorian count!
Wasent it just confirmed that Omega will is force sensitive to some degree?
Are you all really upset about having new viewers? Has it ever occurred that the whole "i get x amount of views with only y amount of subs" may imply that you are getting new viewers? Either way quit bitching about it.
I have seen a lot of TH-camrs do the “X percentage of viewers are actually subscribed” thing as a bit to get more subscribers so I don’t think it’s complaining but that it’s just another bit to self promote
Vader was being an emo sissy la la as usual. He should have perfected cloning force sensitive limbs, then done so...killed Palpatine so he could take his time perfecting a full body cloning and then skewered himself with his own saber once he had and done an essence transfer. Of course we would have had a completely different movie so I think I'll be happy with gift in Star Wars Lucas gave us.
Metal > meat
Force sensitivity is the biggest lie propagated by both the Jedi Anderson
You lost me at some guy named snoke. Something something DIsney something something. Whatever that was was not canon and is a what if. Not an actual Sequel.
Because Vader was a dolt.
He never cloned new limbs because it was lame and bad writing.. thats all
don't call your vids holocrons
If you can clone you can regenerate. Just saying