@@jonton9228 I’m sure Amir is appreciative of your ability to highlight his options for him. Lemme highlight something for you, Jonton, Blizzard is a worthless company who doesn’t have any players best interested in mind. They’re only interest in people like you who have every store mount & follow all the blizzard devs. 🤩
@@jonton9228 That wasn´t even an opinion. That was a completely unrelated and empty statement that you made for whatever reason. *Then leave the community alone if you don´t enjoy it*
I am dev myself. When the client doesn't like the product of the company I work for, do you know what they do? They change company and go to a rival. It's my job as a dev and the company's job to make a better product so the clients would come back. This is how business work! And there are plenty of dev teams in every company, so yeah, the devs are also at fault. Game companies have managed to guilt-trip their gamers into believing that their money and their time is not important. If your product sucks then it's your problem, not the client's problem. Fanboys/girls may want to continue paying a dead horse and worship multibillion companies who "don't pay" their devs. You pay for some services. If you don't like the services you have every right to complain and then leave. Also, I am so tired of hearing " the poor devs". The devs should have a backbone and some pride. If they are ok with overworking and getting paid shit, guess what! They CHOSE to stay there and keep getting fucked over the company! Not my problem or your problem. When I am not getting paid enough or I am getting treated like shit, I quit and go to another company. I am a dev in the age of technology. If I can't find a job, who will?
I am dev too. A dev can of course give feedback and recommendations on systems, but they have no say on what is ultimatly added or not, and quitting or getting fired by being bullheaded about it isn't going to make a game better; you'll be replaced with little thought, what the designers want will make it into the game, and you'll only gain the pleasure of having to look for a new job. There are many dev jobs out there, sure; but devs aren't a scarce resource either.
This kinda bull is why I dont work in that industry. I game dev as a hobby but I would always be bullheaded about bad design decisions and have to find new work.
You guys are getting more and more idiotic with your comparisons, WoW is getting progressively better with updates and yet you all are acting like FF is better even though it has no good pvp 🤔
I can’t go back! There is no going back! That bridge is not only been burned, it was blown up. That’s from deleting my 16 year blizzard account. There’s no going back from that!
You don't know WoW like I do. You don't know about the good times. How he means well. He only sexually assaults me at conventions, office parties, while I'm at home or when I do something wrong. WoW let's me know when I make a mistake "you think you do but you don't " WoW knows best. We got so much time spent together, you don't understand our sunken cost together. WoW will do better next patch, I know WoW better than you do.
For me, as a 31yo, with a job and a semblance of a real life that also likes to game, watching streams for hours and hours is just not feasible. So having his reactions that I can just watch while I eat something or while I go to work or smth is way better for me.
Not to critique: but if you have a career or shop with guys who also game you can try what I did. I talked with the guys about throwing Asmon on Bluetooth speaker around the office. His music and talk show quality are usually better then radio for 30+ Age group. The guys love it and I just introduced them to doc since they are all big FPS players.
The goggles are finally off for myself and many many others. I've looked and slightly tried many other MMO's but always found myself giving reasons to not give the games a real chance like ''WoW has this and does this and i have all my history on the game blah blah'' Now i've actually given games like FF14 a real chance the stark realisation of how garbage WoW has been for so long has finally kicked in.
@@lightup6751 I think I can still feel some part of the the “rough patches” along the way playing through msq and gradually i feel the game is actually trying to improve the msq experience in each expansion.
WoW is ending. Players are letting go like the leaf of withering flower. They are free now. They do not feel anymore that they must grind. They are happy now. They are released.
They just repeatedly shit on us and expect us to say thank you sir that was fun, may I have some more? Doesn't matter if its $1 or $1000 a month I'm not into getting pooped on much less paying for it.
Of course it's Ion's fault. He's championed the mantra "it's our game, not the player's game" for years and shat on our feedback again and again and again.
What a dbag. He wouldn’t have a job without us. It’s ironic because yes, it’s his game cuz we literally rent our characters, but that’s not a good thing, that’s nothing to be proud of.
@@Da_Schwartz instead of korthia catchup gear, it wouldve been better if crafter made the catchup gear, up to 220 ilvl. And then maybe crafter could use mats dropped in the raid, to make raid lvl gear (boe)
put Ions ass back on the raid development team where he belongs. Throne of thunder was great and he directed it. There is a thing such as someone being promoted out of their skill set. This IS one of those cases.
"Covenant of choice" I didn't get to choose my covenant anyway, I was forced to play the one that did the most damage. As an Ele shaman, I would've MUCH rather played either Night Fae or Venthyr because I thought they were both cooler aesthetically, but as a raider it's pick the "best" one or get benched and I wasn't even raiding mythic, that was for heroic. The fact that they're so delusional as to think there was ever a "choice" on covenant for most players outside of super casuals is just mind boggling.
I have bad news doe you. This wont change. Yoy will still playing your bis and now players also can demand after you to have bis as everyone have aceass to besr ones. So expect not getting invites without having bis covenant. And no this wasnt happening before this change.
NF is good for ele shaman, also if not raiding mythic for top100 no one should care about your pick, if they do you move guild. These wannabe pro guilds always pick meta but fail to see why it's meta mostly, also add to that they typically fail on basic mechanics, so fixing that problem results in more dmg than someone with the right covenant.
They don't really believe there was a choice, they're being 100% facetious here and saving face only. This was always designed with the one and only purpose of making players play for longer so they look good on their quarterly reports and, if they're lucky squeeze a sub or two out of players while they wait for Covenant Energy to replenish. Blizzard had never believed or intended for this to be about choice. The community has never believed this has been about choice. If anyone believes this was about choice, oh well.
there was a choice though your raiding with toxic players and sadly the majority of raid guilds are perpetuating that toxic mentality bye enforcing the min/max decisions sure it would be nice if blizzard could = balancing every different covenant and class but there too many choices at this point that thats a way more complicated achievement then ppl care to aknowledge did the devololper fuck up yup do the players make those fuck ups even worst hell yea do
@@frosstchild they have more than enough money to address the complexity of a game, they just don't prioritize the expenses to make the game better. No doubt they will have a million business related excuses, but Asmong said it right when he said that's not his job. WoW was nearly DOA for me all those years ago, especially with how bad chat was and how few features supported forming parties and such... Last thing Blizzard did that was any good imho was Diablo II's expansion, and I didn't even get to nerd out on that as I was busy becoming an adult... Funny how all the spark of everything died when I did that, and now all is see is zombies and dead dreams. XD
@@mikeoxlong3676 I think the illusion and addition of choice is the problem. Personally I'd be fine if we didn't have talents at all. Would I miss them? Certainly, there's some fun in experimenting with builds. But I also feel it complicates the game more than it needs and after a while the game would be in a healthier state with classes and specs that are built to function a certain way. Keep this kind of customization to PvP where there is a "push and pull" between players, but not the same in a PvE situation alike a game like Diablo or singleplayer RPG.
@@prinstyrio0 As much as I dislike... okay hate modern wow and probably wont be spending money on a blizzard product for quite a while anyway... I cannot disagree more. Specs are far from the root of the problem and removing them would just make the game that much less fun.
@@EbonMaster let's be honest 99% of people look up a talent build and go with it. There is no real choice when it comes to talents other than aoe or single dps. Talents are pointless
18:30 as a developer with years of experience. This is exactly correct. Once a system becomes complex, tech companies always push for "microservices" to a point where nobody knows how the whole system should work and every component is backed by a team that only cares about its component and just checks with sister teams on design decisions, sister teams, who generally don't give a fuck about your design as long as it doesn't break theirs. Then managers become ultra protective to a point that they will never consider "hey maybe this component is unnecessary" and will always just continually patch a shitty system because their job depends on it. A lot of modern software engineering techniques have ruined software engineering because it's more about extracting the most amount of money rather than building the best software. And this is because managers need to hit their KPIs, which are all monetary or "productivity", rather than clean software. Even the creator of Agile and Microservice patterns have come out and criticized his own creation when he said that almost every person who is getting certified on these mechanisms are managers while he originally intended it to be developer first and to be self-correcting.
That sounds very likely, and by the look of it, is exactly whats happening. But, that isn't our problem as consumers/customers. That is their problem, and they are going to continue to have more problems when they lose more and more money/customers.
the reason it takes 6 months to "implement" the feedback is so that the 6-month subbers, whose subs have run out, are given a reason to resub for another 6 months. so, you sub for 6 months at the start of the expansion, game is bad but you play it anyway, then you get bored and move on and your sub runs out, then blizz brings out their "fixes" and then you sb again for another 6 months. that's one possible reason for the 6 months+ waits for fixes. just a thought anyway.
No. A lot of people who unsubbed aren’t coming back. These fixes aren’t enough of a reason to come back. There’s still little content to do. Also some unsubbed before SL even started because of these dumb systems, so they’re only losing money for fixing them 9 months later.
Totally get you, People ranting about Wow in general is entertaining. I don't even understand half of player's complaints and lingo, but everyone is so passionate a bout it, it makes it sound like pressing and serious things to complain about even if it is only a game. I don't know what Wow has made to its players to make them this eloquent when voicing their complaints but it's engaging as all hell.
For the longest time, I always wondered why Asmon had so much appeal to such a wide audience, and I thought he was overrated - until I took the time to watch his videos. His passion for the game, and the community, and his dedication to exposing problems that others are otherwise too eager to dismiss and sweep under the rug - all of these are reasons why Asmon now has my full respect
I spent a few years assuming he was just a giant loud dbag, and then I actually gave him a chance... and he's actually a really intelligent, well spoken, thoughtful giant loud dbag. He also has gained my respect. :)
@@Caliban743 I agree with the OP, and I disagree with Asmon regularly. I usually just close the stream whenever it gets political because I don't think his rants are conducive to any sort of productive discussion on polarizing political topics. But when it comes to Twitch or video games he has some of the most well educated opinions (for people who approach games like he does). PS. I play Genshin, and he also shits on Genshin regularly even though he has never played the game.
@@Mephil People know about Asmon and T1 even without actually watching their content...the idea that you can't have an initial impression is such a dumb take.
On a side note about the conduit energy, he said "Players will swap conduits on every dungeon or every fight" the average player isn't going to do that lol
Like even if that's true: WHO CARES? "Oh no, players will interact with this system we put in TOO MUCH, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!" Who the fuck even comes up with this bullshit?
Its fun even if they did. Cause some fights you get yourself killed even using your covenant ability like the DK Necrolord ability. Or specs favoring different covenants would have more Tanks or Healers spec switching for groups.
Any argument trying to prove players will NEED to swap covenants or conduits per boss just proves how dogshit being locked to a single one for every single type of content is.
The fact that they try to justify a failed system just show they're going to do it again next time they release an expansion. They got me for the last time with Shadowlands.
How did players experience the expansion "through the lens of their covenant"? The story was in bite sized chunks that were drip-fed over weeks. I didn't feel particularly attached to being a Necrolord. These words sound great, but the actual implementation doesn't match the experience of what was in game.
It almost feels like the post was written in a vacuum. As if anyone is playing to experience the game "through the lens of their covenant choice"... They're not. They just want to play to get to the end and kill the big bad guy. It's like someone who works at Blizzard but never played WoW read what the expansion was about and tried to write a letter of excuse to justify things that should probably never have been justified in the first place.
The easiest way to implement "your choice matters" would have been to eliminate the stupid time gating of the covenant stories and then have you play through a covenant storyline in order to freely choose it. That way, the base experience of Shadowlands 9.0 would have been experiencing all covenant stories and unlocking all abilities to freely choose between then. You're going into 9.1 as the champion of all the Covenants. But Blizzard: "You think you want it but you don't!"
All i can say is, thank you Asmongold for continuing to report on this when sites like IGN call it old news, despite terrible things continuing to happen. The best gaming journalists are the gamers themselves
"The best gaming journalists are the gamers themselves" Mate we are fucking dumb as shit. Yet I will STILL take one of our opinions over a gaming 'journalist' any day.
@@chrisettia895 Lets be honest IGN aka 8/10 land hasn't been taken seriously for YEARS. Christ I can remember people taking the piss out of both it AND Gamespot like 5-6 years ago.
RE: the covenant of choice bit, Blizzard is wrong on a more fundamental level. It isn't about the Renown cap being high to prevent swapping at the start. If player power had _not_ been attached to covenant choice, players would have _actually been with their covenant of choice!_ Instead, players were with _the covenant that made them strongest._ This wasn't player agency. Simcraft was the one making the choice for you, the devs' _balance_ was the one making the choice. Hunters that like Venthyr, Shamans that liked Kyrian, Deathknights that like Night Fae, Rogues that liked Necrolords, there were _sooooo_ many combinations of class and covenant that simply _were not viable_ at release. And to this day there remain a huge chunk of combinations that are not viable, though _which_ ones are not has shifted with the balance tuning (to the consternation of players committed to a now-suboptimal covenant). Blizzard thought attaching player power to the choice made it matter more, but it made it matter _less,_ because it meant players weren't actually the ones making the choice. If they _hadn't_ tied player power to it, that choice would have been much more deeply personal to each player. Which covenant they like the story of, or the aesthetics of, the transmog or mount or side activity or zone or w/e. Instead, the conversation around covenants _since day one_ has not been about _the actual covenants._ It's always been about the _abilities_ they give you. Which class abilities are best, which covenant-global abilities are best, which soulbinds are best, which ones are best for the content you do or the spec you prefer or the gear level you're at or the talent build you run. No one is _allowed_ to care about the covenants and their themes and stories, because their covenant choice was _forced_ on them by the fickle hand of game balance, rather than _their own fucking choice!_ The core issue is player power tied to covenant choice, not covenant choice being difficult to change. Unlink player power from the covenants, and people lose the _need_ to hotswap them on the regular. If your strength in combat isn't determined by your covenant, then like 99.8% of the reason _anyone_ would be invested in changing covenants simply evaporates.
@@seanwarren9357 yep. The devs don't just not do the right thing, they in fact do precisely the wrong thing. They read player feedback, decide that players are simply wrong, and implement changes based on what they feel player opinions _should_ be.
oh my god! so true. I immensely enjoy Night Fay esthetics and mogs and mounts and pets and storyline (basically everything). But as a raiding frost mage, I can only play Venthyr, cause their ability is just so powerful in DPS. I had to suck it up and play Venthyr or I be at the bottom of parses (they're great, just not my style) So while these changes are good for me, I felt like I've lost so much time waiting and longing for it, eh :(
@@yelenapavlenko2344 Ya, and even then, this isn't really a "proper" solution for your use case. From what I've read, they aren't introducing a new UI or anything for swapping the abilities. You still just have the abilities of whatever covenant you're in at the moment, you can just swap those at will. If they don't improve that mechanism at all, you'll see the following flow for your week: * Start as Night Fae for story/aesthetics/garden activity/turning in Anima/etc. * Raid night hits, head to Oribos, talk to Venthyr NPC, click "yes" to 3 successive prompts to join Venthyr. Possibly get a quest to go talk to someone in the class hall (not sure if this happens when swapping *back* to a covenant, tbh) * Raid finished, go repeat the process to swap back to Night Fae. * Repeat for each raid night. Truly _amazing_ design, that. /s Meanwhile, swapping between _entire classes_ in FFXIV is literally as complex as pushing a button on your hotbar to swap your gearset.
@@KaedysKor Hell, I'll give an even better example, cause the Covenant's sound a lot like how the Grand Companies in FF14 work (mount costumes, transmog outfits, cosmetic stuff, etc) and yet first major difference: NONE OF THE UNLOCKS FROM THEM AFFECT YOUR CLASS'S POWER PROGRESSION. Everything you unlock from ranking up in your Grand Company, you can acquire elsewhere without worrying about your classes power being affected, and everything that can't be acquired elsewhere is all cosmetic items and crafting materials and whatnot (again, none of which is tied to your classes power levels) And point number 2: Once you reach a certain rank, you can freely swap to any of the other two Grand Companies as you wish. Granted you'll have to pay Gil and wait at least 15 days per transfer after the first, but again, none of the progression is tied to your class power.
the best part is that the lore doesn't even justifie it either, the covenants aren't divided when we get to the shadowlands most of the covenant champaigns are literally about helping the other covenants, it's just blizzard being stuborn AF.
They're using the Lore as a cheap excuse for their design decisions, and to distract from the fact that they're putting less and less content into the game per release. Blizz hasn't cared about the story or lore (beyond a few high ranking dev's self-inserts and pets) for years now. The friggen entire Horde faction is nothing more than a plot-device for the company to do whatever the hell they want without consequence. The Alliance is this walking purity test that is never allowed more nuance or complexity than "the Sue Good Guys". They're using "story" they dont care about to distract from the fact that the reason they had to heavily time gate the bare bones story they wanted to invest in.
The part you are missing is yes, a lot of us are having fun with all the content coming out. Then after true role playing fans have had their fun with the cool new toys, then all the elitist prick babies can have their easy mode play.
@@sik3xploit It's not about being woke. Hell, FFXIV is plenty woke (for a Japanese game), the problem is being an egotistical asshole who can never admit that they were wrong.
"ingame reports of harrasment, and more serious penalities for people engaged in disruptive behavior" Thats cool and all but you fired most of the gms to enforce it
@@reycole8837 so any guild can get anyone they want banned ? That will not solve any problems. It will make even more problems.. Happy you dont have any say at blizzard
yeah and with final fantasy the free trial is half the entire story combining the base game and first expansion (at least till november when it becomes 2/5ths when the new expansion comes) with unlimited play time up to level 60 (current cap is 80) and the ability to play all classes and professions on a single character and all level 60 available content. How is it that other modern mmos still have this "you're level 20 now pay up" or "its been 14 days" mentality. Final Fantasy completely objectively obliterates all other free trials of mmos.
@@meitomiyazaki9848 It's actually pretty insane how much you get from just the free trial, as someone who just started playing it, I'm so thankful to able to play through the first expansion for free and I'm having so much fun. WoW really doesn't cater at all to new players in my opinion, I played it a bit a few years ago and then started playing again in march. I hate the fact that you can't play the previous expansions the way you can in FFXIV, I stopped playing after a month and a half of playing it, really wasn't fun for long unfortunately and everything just felt like a grind.
@@aspannas It literally took me 200 hours to complete the first expansion's BASE story. There is a LOT to do in the free trial. Only gripe I have with the ff14 trial is that you cannot start a party yourself (only join them).
@@spinerflame7922 oh wow, that’s a lot of free game play hours, looking forward to it. Yeah the free trial has it’s restrictions, so far I’m haven’t been having any issues with it and it’s only fair there are restrictions. I’ll probably buy the game if I feel like I need to but I’d prefer to wait until the new expansion, feels like a waste of money when I can get all the previous expansions with the new one.
21:37 and at this moment, the voice of every blizzard gamer who have been around since the '90s comes to light. We grew up playing the best games ever, but here we are in 2021 with dogshit designed by those who couldn't give two fucks. It is so sad to see our favorite product(s) waste away with a company that used to be absolute badass. "I am sick of it" is just the tip of the iceberg of how the older blizzard gamers actually feel.
i believe everthing has a reason. asmongold is the clearest English speaker. i mean as a foreigner, I can clearly hear every single word he said and understand him. no matter how fast he speaks. it's just a talent.
That's a huge point of the why I follow him, beside I like him now( he was toxic asf in the past), he is a good voice for the community that have the right of criticize them as an old player...I'm Brazilian and understanding him was never a challenge
"When it comes to the limitations on Covenant-switching, millions of players experienced Shadowlands for the first time through the lens of their Covenant of choice, and that would have not been possible had the choice carried less weight from the outset." This is the most peak WoW Dev sentence I have ever read. Even when they are forced to make these changes because more than half the player base has bailed they still can't admit they were wrong.
"When it comes to the limitations of ice-cream eating, you could not have enjoyed the rocky road you asked for unless we forced you to optimize and eat a 32lb tub of vanilla first"
In the early interviews with Ion, like the one Preach did during alpha/beta, all the time Ion talked about the Covenants being like an RPG choice and took examples from RPG games choosing your party members and so forth, how being locked being that choice brings some fulfilling meaning. It's clear they got this vision of "Bringing RPG back to WoW's MMORPG" and try to form their own opinions what makes RPGs fun, but don't realize that WoW doesn't function like one fully, nevermind that it's an MMO even. I don't get it why they don't realize majority of the players don't feel the same way and that playing WoW is not like playing Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age. It's just a different game such design ideas don't work. Them not realizing it makes me doubt they'll not do more similar mistakes come next xpac.
@@prinstyrio0 I'm a fan of more RPG elements making it back into the game. The problem is that the game overall has strayed so far from its RPG foundations that making one system and putting it in the game will cause issues (even if the system was done well). Stuff that is annoying but tolerable in Classic would be unbearable if ripped out and put into modern WoW. A new system has to be fun in its own right, and fit well into the existing game. New systems in WoW haven't done either of those for years, whether they are RPG focused or not.
A fairly classic American mindset to have: "If I admit that I'm wrong then that means I am responsible and held accountable for improving myself and righting wrongs, but because that's too much work, too expensive, and a possible liability in court, I'll never admit I'm wrong." That's why Acti-Blizz have yet to make any actual apology for the lawsuit, because by apologizing, they indirectly admit guilt to the court.
@@absolute8342 WoW is dead. Time to pack up and move on. Blizz knows this will happen so are just milking a dead cow while players keep enabling them. Blizz need to do a whole revamp/reboot ~ e.g. GW2 or FF mechanics with a 'new' story.
It's the level of endless hubris from Blizzard that never ceases to amaze me. They spend months or years telling players- who generally seem to have better ideas- they're wrong, only to perform a complete about-face when they believe the have absolutely no other option. Absolutely no idea what the fuck they're doing.
I mean there will always be a best option. You can play what you want for fun or creativity or play what does the best to min max for raid. There isnt an option to make them all equal unless they make covs purely cosmetic. Which is basically what they're doing.
At least, now you get the freedom to juggle between your personal choice and your BIS choices depending on the content you cleared. Granted if I had a choice, I would’ve wanted no player power attached to what is, in essence, a role playing element
@@Justaguy1123 well that's the problem right there. When you intentionally design it where one is obviously better than the other for each class, then that actually makes it a no brainer to go with that one covenant so it ends up not really being much of a choice. Plus choosing a different covenant can end up harming the class especially when you're trying to raid or pvp
@@SirePuns It's so funny because that's exactly what talents used to be until they completely neutered them (also glyphs, to a lesser extent). Why do they keep ruining their own game? Maybe to keep their jobs with stuff to do? I can't fathom their logic.
I swear that Blizzard just leverages quality of life in every patch to resell the same patch multiple times to try get people paying to play. I don't remember any system throughout the past 3 expansions that wasn't magically improved with basic quality of life changes multiple months after release. Legion legendaries, BFA corruptions and azerite and now covenants. All given obvious, basic changes and promoted to entice players back or to keep playing and not quit. It's literally just a "greener pastures over the horizon" scam that has been happening for years.
It's definitely intentional, especially with these 6-month pre-order mounts, and only fixing the issue after that period. They want players to double dip
“Please Zack come back, I know I beat you everyday, lie to you, touch other girls and constantly ignore your plea or feedback. But I changed all this stuff, I won’t beat you again.”
If I remember correctly, Blizzard actually said they would rather test new systems out then upkeep existing systems (Archeology). Systems that are one-off are simply shit game design... So... yeah.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis It's designed like a raid. The classic raid required gathering all sorts of mats to prep for the raid, some unique. Each expansion is now designed the same, unique systems for each expansion. This is Ion's fault. The raid team should not be designing full expansions, only the raids.
I think a huge issue is having these big systems dictate how you play the coming expansion. Artifact weapons, Heart of Azeroth and Azerite Armor, Conduits and Covenants; all dictate how the xpac is played. I realized this playing FF14 where they don't really add these kind of systems to dictate how you play the core part of the game. I realized that after doing Bozja for my relic, where the additional system it had there reminded me so much of how it was to play WoW. It was a cool addition, but I'm glad I don't need to see it throughout the whole xpac and its just optional content. Blizzard need to stop making these huge systems that you're FORCED to play with for about 3 years that takes you away from the core gameplay; class, specs, talents, gear. Legendaries imo was the only interesting addition that changed it up, but at the same time we sacrificed raid tier bonuses for them. Artifact weapons were fun too but overwhelming. Main part that was exciting was unlocking the new skills in it, strengthening your main ability and the skins. This also gets too much. You notice how they're struggling to balance the classes, specs, their talents and then the legendaries, then ONTOP of the one off systems that is slapped onto the core gameplay, ONTOP of also doing meaningless reworks for rework sake. Whilst FF14 has the jobs (classes), that's it. No different versions within a job, no talent customization, no items that changes how they play. Yet the game is plenty fun. All this wasted time could be put to bringing back old systems and making them better or focus on the core game whilst adding meaningful ones. tldr: Stop one off systems, focus on the core game (classes, specs, talents, maybe legendaries/raid gear bonuses too) and keep any one-off systems as optional content, whilst also making all that same content remain relevant.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis Actually, HoA is still very active and you can still farm Azerite for it and you can still use it in any non-Shadowlands content. It's one of the main reasons there are these theories that BFA never actually ended and that we didn't truly defeat N'Zoth (and the sword is still stabbed through Silithus). Blizz has never let a past system or special weapon carry through to a new expansion like they did with HoA/Azerite. They also didn't nerf the follower mission table, you can still grind out some halfway decent rewards (not including the treasure maps) which is also another thing they never did before. Something doesn't sit right with all this.
I love this game and these changes are massive improvements, but it’s such a slap in the face that it took being investigated for sexual harassment and then a mass exodus for them to get some semblance of common sense. Plus, there’s no guarantee we aren’t going to get kneecapped again in the next expansion or even the next patch after they think they earned back some good will after this. It’s like being fed a good meal by a kidnapper who’s starved you for 4 days
It didn’t take them that much to do this, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT IN THE PAST. The only difference is instead of it being in the 9.2 patch it’s in 9.1.5. They always release a bullshit system then destroy it afterwards and invalidate the time people spent on it just so they can get some of the casuals who quit after the realized that the system was bullshit. This has happened before, the only thing new here is them being early by what? 5-7 months?
Oh and yes, the lawsuit and the exodus has something to do with them releasing the system destroying patch earlier, if it didn’t happen they’d wait to release it for future patches, like they always fuxking do.
" Plus, there’s no guarantee we aren’t going to get kneecapped again" I'd say more : there's a guarantee you ARE gonna get kneecapped again. Quit this garbage. Best decision I ever made.
I feel you, Asmon. I was playing Warcraft since 95 with Orcs and Humans. I played Warcraft 2, I played Warcraft 3 for a stupid amount of time....still love it, I'm terrible at it, but love it...Then got into WoW during it's beta, Troll Warrior first character rolled. I met my wife playing WoW right before Burning Crusade, we played together up until Shadowlands when she quit playing. I'm still subbed but find myself asking why. There is a special place in my heart for Warcraft and I will always hold out hope that it can get better, but right now it just feels like I'm watching an old friend die and there's nothing I can do to stop it.
I know this has been exhausted to death but I really recommend you trying out FF14 (even just the trail, for a few days)! It will feel like a new experience, especially if you play with it with your wife. I'm sure you and her will enjoy it a lot if you just go in with zero expectations and nothing to lose (other than some of your time, and perhaps a bit of money, if you choose to buy it and play the first free month). You can always go back to WoW if FF14 is not your cup of tea, but I think sometimes it's good to get a different perspective and a different change of environment just to see what's on the other side.
@@ToyokaX i already play FF14, my wife actually did too and quit it before WoW, but its not relevant. FF14 being fun or not has no bearing on the fact I would much rather WoW still be the game and series I've loved for as long as I have and not the cash cow shell of itself its been shoe-horned into.
Same here, man. Was just a kid when I played warcraft 2 and blown away, a love with born, and now we're watching the kid on fucking stuffed full of drugs and life support
It's to the point that every statement Blizzard makes just sounds like a kid doing a book report the night before it's due. They spend more time writing the statement than doing the research, and it all just sounds like bs.
“You can’t make the same mistake 5 years in a row.” The next step to regaining trust is listening to the players’ overwhelming complaints during alpha. As it currently stands, the embarrassingly low hanging fruit of these QOL changes, which they held off so long to implement, is only bait to lure you back in, and do it all over again.
Also the claims "it's not possible" is a lie when it comes to computer programs. If a computer is capable of doing it, then it's possible. I mean for fucks sake AI is only "impossible" in current time is because there's not enough processing power to do it properly.
@@MagicSpamDragon that's crap. Code is code, you don't need to same developer to go over "core code". That would fall under, the original code being heavily outdated and no one wanting to saddle up the cash to update it. To put this into context, there's been 4 major revisions to c++ since wow was released, and the best version they can have would be c++03; the standard today is to use c++20. Had blizzard not ignored that big ol elephant in the room for so long it wouldn't be a problem. They just kept putting it off for so long that now it would be extremely expensive and time consuming.
@@paulghignon4092 Bringing in new devs won't help with whatever old core code is left behind. The way these games work as they are right now, implementing changes might cause problems in other areas of the code. This is further compounded by previous devs not leaving enough documentation and what you're left with is something that would be easier fixed by a remake instead of editing.
How about separating the currency from seasons. How about removing top .001% player gameplay from the core game, like they did with tournament servers. There's no reason for MDI to be the same system as the one in-game. Devs just fake awe at these players and just wreck the game for everyone else. In Cata and MOP, Valor Points were consistent throughout each expansion. Another reason Blizz is failing.
The funniest about it is... if you know you can change later you will take the covenant you WANT instead of the one that ws deemed "Best" for your class by the theorycrafters.
@@christianhagel6835 More even than that. If player power isn't *tied* to the covenant in the first place, you can choose the one that you prefer aesthetically or thematically or storywise. With player power involved, it's not a player choice, it's a fucking math problem. Basically, when player power is involved, there's always a "correct" answer. Without it, it actually *is* meaningful choice, because the *player* is the one making the choice, rather than fucking Simcraft.
This time they must. Even they realized it's do or die their last chance. They'd be stupid not to follow trough with this. They are not doing it for us but for themselves. Either that or they can close the doors. Literally they are up to the wall now.
@@abcdc197 I still won’t care. Even if they make every system amazing, they’ve turned the Night Elves into manure for Elune’s sister’s garden, that the benevolent deity didn’t even care enough about to see that they got there. They’ve butchered the lore one time to many. They can “fix” the systems all they want, but the lore is ruined, which means the world is dead.
Guess the generation who grew up with blizzard either has their hopes and dreams crushed while in denial or had been absorbed too much that they no longer handle independence.
@@masteroffmuppets666 Ion doesn't parse well at all. Not only that, but multiple bosses get nerfed when his guild reach those bosses. It's.. not great.
Ion doesn't play this game he watches it while being carried. Wish they weren't playing the game because they're so busy making it good, but we all know the truth of that they're just too busy molesting women and insulting lifestyle choices in the workplace.
I quit WOW a few years back, one of the best decisions I have ever made. If something stops being enjoyable then just keep the memories and move on. Life is to short to waste on this kind of frustration.
They said the quiet part out loud. The part that ensures that I'll never play this game again: "season" Character progression is key to RPGs. Resetting that progression every "season" is antithetical to the genre as a whole. "seasons" are for skill games like LoL, Rust, StarCraft, DotA, and so on. Games where the progression is in the player You play these games to develop your skills as a player, not collect gear and progress your character. They are skill progression games, not character progression. So long as Blizzard keeps this attitude to WoW it's not actually an RPG. They've made the game into an entirely different genre. WoW the MMORPG is dead. The borrowed power systems exist to support the "season".
@@piffling2238 Exactly. The good e-sports are all player skill progression, not character progression. You can't have an e-sport where gear, talents, etc are the determining factor. The good e-sports games don't have stuff like that. Everyone goes in with the same configuration so you can focus on the player skill as the deciding factor. That's what makes them sports.
I think you didn't fully understood the concept of the season. The point of it, is that it's a cycle, like every expansion. Campaign / Questing / Leveling to max, gearing up (etc etc) repeat when the next expansion starts. So in a way, no matter how you end an expansion, your "progress" is effectively irrelevant for the mobs in the new expansion. The cycle of leveling up, gearing up repeats every expansion, thus a "season". It's a normal thing in every MMO, as there needs to be an obstacle/wall (power of the enemy) that was solved by (power) progression in every expansion. But I agree that WoW and it's systems don't even try to make the player feel as their previous effort is worth anything. It can feel depressing and insulting for someone to just step over your hours and hours of grinding (which is by definition repetitive and requires willpower and effort).
@@NoirTenshin I think the exclusive season focus is great, it made it so much easier to leave the game behind with zero feelings of loss, since all my characters eventually felt completely meaningless. It might as well be a beta with regular progress wipes. That’s how playing it felt. I’m grateful to this switch in focus, otherwise I’d still probably be stuck there feeling attached somehow.
Thanks asmon for saying out loud what most of the comunity that left the game thinks. I agree 100%, blizz needs to change for them to make better games. Praising them for an idea players gave them 1 year ago does not help.
They didn't even try to salvage it or try to change it like nope just take it out... Like wow do you seriously just throw things on the board and hope it sticks?
@@danielburgos3817 To be fair, the people in charge of development now are literally different. J Allen Brack is no longer with the company. There'll probably be more changes to come. Just look at the "Allied Races Unlocked" change. That totally came out of nowhere and has nothing to do with Shadowlands at all, so I'm cautiously optimistic here and hope they keep this kind of attitude going forward and listen to player feedback when it's well-reasoned.
We've lost half a decade of development to temporary systems lining the bottom of the garbage can. This is why the game feels absolutely anemic compared to FInal Fantasy. Nothing has been maintained, nothing has been added, nothing has been improved. We have a scaled down version of WoD that they keep putting different hats on.
I'm sorry but FF is as garbage as WoW is if not worse. It's aesthetically unappealing, boring, slow, linear, under-developed, etc etc. The game is not a god given gift to the MMO population, if you even played WoW, you just jumped from one trashcan to another. I'd rather stick to the original one and hope for a fix, because at least that one won't leak garbage once it's band-aided, while FF will never be a good game, no matter what they do, the core of the game is shit.
@@Redagon It's a shit game, it's still got less subs than WoW and literally whoever tried it, out of my MMO friends, including me thinks it's dogass. WoW is bad, but FF is next level garbage.
@YEP You think your game is hot stuff, but it isn't. This isn't copium, there's nothing good about FF that doesn't exist in ESO, GW2, WoW, SWTOR, BDO - in fact, whatever you have, is worse than any of those games.
I legit love that Asmon uses paint to explain shit. I work for a large multinational and literally do the same thing when teams/sectors within the business just don't understand wtf is going on. It works, man.
Clarification: in Preach's interview with Ion, Ion HIMSELF said they DID have access to a ripcord, but it was a last resort. Ion was actually the first person to use the term ripcord. Ion/Blizzard never claimed there was a technical limitation to their ability in allowing covenant swapping, they just refused to do so because of "meaningful choice." Crap either way, but worth mentioning. Blizzard didn't lie about this topic, they just made terrible decisions.
This needs more attention. 100%, Ion didn't say they couldn't do it. They simply tried to give excuses by (in different words) saying they narratively dug themselves into a hole, so it wouldn't make sense. Which is really stupid since the NPCs themselves went out of their way to tell players, in-game via dialogs and cinematics, that players needed to focus their efforts 100%. All they would've had to do is just remove those dialogs. It never made sense anyway since you're supposed to be the one and only Maw Walker so you can do things that none of the other mortals -- coming in to help the Shadowlands -- would be able to do. Or they could have simply put, at the end of the 9.0 renown cap, the reward that would let you unlock another covenant, and so as a player, you get to freely swap via completing their entire campaigns, as like a reward.
Makes sense. I don't have a problem with that. It's by design. If anything these changes are the least of most peoples' problems so I don't see it as a huge deal but at least a step in the right direction.
Except Ion did the right thing here. Let the system play out the way a lot of people want it to, then after the content gets run through, THEN you ripcord for the people that didn’t like it that way. That way ALL of your player base gets covered
I remember the interview where he used the ripcord terminology as a last resort but I thought a blue post came out soon after stating changing the covenant swapping would be a technical challenge, and I think that's what's being referred to in the video.
@@originalggx3021 That could be, 'though I don't remember the blue post you're referring to (not saying it doesn't exist). Asmon, however, does mention the Preach/Ion interview specifically when citing Blizzard's claim on the impossibility of allowing covenant swapping which is incorrect. For others reading this, I'm not claiming this is a huge deal. I just want to make sure people get the facts straight, as there are plenty of reasons to be annoyed with Blizzard without this mistaken information.
As long as Ion is lead of game design and wow goes for short term profit wow is doomed. What made wow fun was good professions, world pvp and one world experience. Instead they focused endgame raiding mainly, different stand alone zones and store mounts. Also they made wow for everyone (easy), removed extensive talents trees, made it hack and slash and alienated their core audience.
In the begining of the expansion I started as a hunter, and I obviously I picked night fae because its the best one, however I WANTED to play as necrolord, but it was dogshit for hunters. This "choice" that blizzard forced on me made me play through the entire story as a part of a faction I didnt want to play with, I still have no idea what the necrolord story is like, thanks blizz.
That still screams that you did it wrong. You should have picked Necrolord and said to hell with what DPS charts said. THAT is the meaningful choice My Vulpera Hunter was bastion because he was modeled after Rocket Racoon and they had AnimaTech robots and robot cats. My Nelf hunter is an old Aristocratic Big Game Hunter so he became Venthyr. I made fun choices to enjoy a game.
Me with venthyr as a warlock I wanted it so bad but some people will say o just play it anyways don’t realize how much of an impact it makes on gameplay now
@@seanhouser4510 did you say that when you have less dps than the tank in a raid? because right now as a hunter my night fae power does more damage that the rest of my class abalities in pve. And yet is trash in pvp..... Also what would you say to the people that play things like priest? i always used a "evil" tmog for shadow and a "good" tmog for holy in my alt but i can't choose venthyr for shadow and kyrian for holy ruinning the fantasy completely. And i didn't even level it anyway because the stupid renown system, having to do the shitty and poorly designed SL leveling system and having to do Torghast TWO TIMES every week again with another character... 10/10 game design...
@@rodrigobogado8756 who says you have to do torgast? I haven’t done torgast on any of my alts cause I didn’t want to. And again why can’t you do venthyr on shadow priest and Kyrian on your holy. You can still fit the aesthetic you want for your toons and the community be damned
@@seanhouser4510 This right here you don't know why ppl don't do that, and that proves you don't know the game/"players" you "speak for" good job outing yourself...
The fact that the patch notes promising better changes makes me feel even more hopeless about the game is truly incredible. I've never seen a company destroy itself quite like this.
They should've made you pick one Covenant and then give you the OPTION to play through the campaigns of ANY of the others at will. Giving solo players more content options and everyone else more options for tmog and mounts Especially considering the Covenants are "united" anyway. They were never antagonistic to begin with. Just stupid design to limit them at all.
Azerite Armor was horrendous, you couldn't even wear it when you got it, it would sit in your bags until you had enough AP neck level or w/e the hell the gauge was back then. Pepega company doesn't know how to design good games anymore. They design chore frame works with nice art, that's it.
First it was legendary power in legion, then azerite power in BFA, now it's anima. It's just an added system to farm and waste time on. And then every patch they increase the currency gain to make it seem easier so people would be more okay with it and just keep playing. It's a tactical business model for money and not a "we care about players".
Azerite armor was fun. There were some really cool trait/class/spec combos that really changed how a class was played. I know I’m a broken record but to use frost DK as example I much more preferred the way the triple stacking frost wrymling effect when you used pillar of Ice worked. My personal dps scores and fun in playing was way higher that using the META pick that was 6% more dps on the charts
I used to be a community manager myself (not on WoW), and this post is one of those cases when the author had to come up with developer's reasoning rather than admitting the obvious - a case of stubbornness. These posts are easily debunked as demonstrated by Asmon.
Having migrated to FF14, watching WoW in the distant become even worse is like seeing a toxic family member make themselves even worse of a person than when you left them. You wish you could help them, but you know that you'd be hurting yourself if you did that.
See ya in the golden saucer friend racing chocobos, triad, platformers and mini games. Like 1 place in ffxiv has been more entertaining than the last x amount of years playing wow.
Is it wrong to still be enjoying Wow? I still find a lot of fun from playing the game but I know a lot of people are switching to FF14. Imma be honest, I don’t like the way it looks and I think character outfits fit better in wow. May just be me though, feels wrong to be playing at this point but I still love it
@@NotsofatTheGamer do what you like nothing wrong in enjoying a game. I just couldn't stand losing all my progress every expansion and having literally nothing to do between weekly raids. I went and collected pets for a while but that got repetitive and even stuff like the jailer thing locks you out if you do it to much. It's a waiting game and I got tired if waiting and having 1 chance a week to collect mounts, pets and gear. But enjoy wat you like never let bad publicity keep you from doing what you do.
If players could have freely swapped from the beginning, they would have actually had MORE choice, since most picked the highest DPS covenant for their class and were stuck doing the story for that one.
A better idea would've been to not force players into a long-term commitment where they have to choose between either picking a Covenant because they like the fantasy or picking a Covenant because it provides bigger numbers. These things should be mutually exclusive. The fact that the WoW devs are this near-sighted is baffling to me.
@@seanhouser4510 were they ? You could literally not find a single group for m+ if you picked the "wrong convenant", same for raids, you would get excluded from groups because of "underperforming" Why ? Because the "best" convenant could be a 30-50% increase in numbers over the one you picked as "your choice". Can you blame people for picking the "best" convenant ? Really ? Are we still defending this s'hit?
@@zumzici1234 yes I am defending it. Because it was never 30-50%. 15-20% yes. But the point still remains. With the only thing your worried about is DPS numbers then it’s not blizzards fault you choose numbers Vs player agency and story choice. Yes higher mythic keys groups are assholes. But repeated mythic dungeons have always been trash in my book.
Tuning is/was the problem. Unpopular opinion, but it should be difficult to switch covenants. It's supposed to be a "weighty" decision. Aldor vs Scryer, Frenzy Heart vs Oracles, we've had it before. I rolled goblin, but now I want to be undead, for free... and keep my rocket jump. The system should have just been cosmetic and there wouldn't be this problem. The moment they tied it into player power they messed up. It's impossible to balance them, people will always want the best performing and they'll cry about the hoops they have to jump to get there. How many Night Fae fire mages from CN are playing Venthyr frost now? Just one example. Should have stuck to transmogs and mounts, then it could have been the "weighty", "no-going-back" (without harsh consequences) type of system they advertised.
"Some players will never be happy" - which is why FF14 is doing so well, or why OSRS and Path of Exile are doing good for years despite being free to play. Because you cant just make players happy so they keep playing your game for fun, rather than being tied on a job-like leash of dailies and caps and limited content.
While that is true, some players will always complain, but that's a question of proportion, if you feel like your whole community are constantly unhappy no matter what you do maybe you're incompetent. Cause plenty of good games have complaints but don't feel that way about complaints cause they are a small minority, and in a good game offered in more cordial and constructive ways often. If your playerbase is never happy with what you're doing it's not the fanbase that's the problem.
"Which is why ff14 is doing so well" the dead garbage pvp and the perverted community that only erp with each other makes it seem like a lesser WoW but for weebs.
Jonton Maybe if you fix this kind of attitude, maybeyou wont get "dogpiled" by the "toxic community" here. If your comment is "Ya, i dont like ff14 cuz the pvp is bad and i feels like it caters to weebs and isn't as polished as wow", literally no one will have a problem
It was never impossible for them to redo the Covenant system. A lot of the scripts ingame are generally done by spells, which are also handled by invisible NPCs, which tend to be tiny infernals or rabbits that you can see when you do .cheat gm on in a handful of private servers that allow GM commands. You don't see these spells because they tend to be invisible, but most of the systems in WoW are essentially ran by spells, which become active based on what dialogue you choose or what button you press, which will have one of these invisible infernals or bunnies cast a spell on you. With this in mind, Covenants and their limitations and bonuses are literally just a handful of spells casted on you, or buffs. This is how the game scripts all your numbers and transmogs and stuff like that, it's all a number being checked off by a spell. (Kind of an exaggeration there, it's more than just a number being checked off, but it's not far off.) So being able to freely switch Covenant is literally them just taking a few spells away from the invisible bunny and/or infernal. To give you a frame of how easy this actually is, on GM command private servers, you can literally look up spells and then type .cast spellnumberhere and you'll have whatever active on you. If I wanted to have max blacksmithing for no reason, I would grab one of the blacksmith spells by just typing .cast blacksmith, and if it's the right spell ID, I'll be an expert blacksmith now. If I don't want to be an expert blacksmith, I can .unlearn and shift click the spell icon in my spellbook or .unlearn spellnumberhere and I will no longer be an expert blacksmith. So to make sense of all of this, freely swapping from one Covenant to another quite simply means that one of the spells casted on your character that kept you bound to only Venthyr stuff is now gone. You no longer have a spell on you that says you can only have Venthyr stuff. It was possible to have this entire time. And I'm willing to bet money that when they were first making the scripts, or spells, for Covenants, all four could be active at once just so that they can test the abilities against a target dummy. I'm not a crazy C++ wizard or anything, I just remember playing with Artifact abilities and Broken Isles reputations by literally just typing .cast or .learn on random spell IDs. Wake of Ashes, the Retadin ability for Ashbringer, has eight different versions, some clearly being earlier versions of the ability to test visuals, then to test damage and cooldown, and then to test damage and cooldown with visuals and other already existing talents applied. There are a lot of abilities like this. Reputations are the same way, there's a bunch of random spells for a reputation, all made for testing. When Shadowlands hits more private servers in the next few years, I'll happily show how easy it was the whole time to have a character switch Covenants with a single GM command and to show how basic the scripting in these spells are, just to prove that their excuse of "this would break the game" is complete horse shit. These bad programming, women-abusing idiots keep killing our game so that Bobby Kotick can have a big yacht. Fuck these guys.
Remember when Ion said "high-end players will complain about covenant swapping even if the covenants are balanced within 0.5% of each other," then like 70% of druids went Night Fae just for convoke even if they didn't want to? Lol
@@farhanelmi9343 Seriously. Oh hey. we dont like how x spec works. Let's nerf it into oblivion and put it off til next xpack, while being only one hotfix into the current xpack! :| rip demo
@@fatcatsnuggleparty4272 remember when they removed most fun hunter spec only to replace it with a melee spec that looks like it's not even ready for alpha testing compared to havoc that also came out the same time
Blizzard literally lost all their (leftover) integrity with these patchnotes (to me at least). Announcing before Shadowlands that covenants are that sort of super important choice, you can't simply go back and forth from, they wasted development time on things like conduit energy etc (even with feedback given already) and now (basically a year and a half later) they bring all the things, that should have been there from the start. I probably do some more weeks of my raiding (all I currently do twice a week for 5 hours total anyway) and then i quit for good! - Currently taking a very close look at Guild Wars2 and do enjoy it immensely. Good luck and have fun everyone.
10:35 MoP- artifacts weren't earnable across alts/shared cd from Beta until unlocked at the final cape patch- and the medals you had to farm raids/LFR for weren't increased until the latter half of the said patch OR final cape patch at the end of MoP. WoD?-ALL gathering/creation were locked to 3 gains per day and creations per day, and not removed until the end of WoD-Ring medal farm was a copy n paste from MoP, and JUST like MoP? not increased until the patch where they gave up on the expansion-JUST like MoP the artifacts gathered on main locked the alts, not fixed until the end of WoD patch. Legion-creation locked to 5 gains per day and not fixed until 7.1, copy n paste of the artifacts found across the world from main to alts and not fixed until 7.2, legendaries were completely random, and once 1 dropped that was IT until 7.1 2nd and that's it until 7.2 and the vendor that fixed the system and get the one you want wasn't added until 7.3. THESE issues were not liked, pointed out, and dismissed for 3 expansions! and Before the bullshit copy n pastes of BFA and Shadowlands making it 5! a full decade of this blue post, and Asmon having a parent moment for going on 11 years.
Legion was one of the best expansion in the game but those legendaries are literal cancer of the game. Classes were balanced around a freaking RNG Legendaries to the point some classes wouldn't "work" without certain legendary.
True fact, when the Devs of FF14 release an Ultimate Trial they make sure that the devs themselves can beat the Trial before anything else. Also they recently had an event where the Dev team had to find all the Blu Mage spells within a limited amount of time so we the players could get so e sweet cosmetics. And for those who do not know in order to get said spells you need to play the Masked Carnival which at this point is about 31 stages and stage 29 is notoriously difficult and beat it. So yeah FF14 devs actually play the game!!!!
I've heard that sometimes for the WoW raids, they don't nerf anything until Ion's guild starts having issues, which given Ion's stupidity, it's not surprising if it is true
Yeah that's an important point. Mythic raids in WoW are incredibly unforgiving, which makes them more like a tedious task than an enjoyable experience. This is especially for the typical mythic raiding guild. It's literally impossible for the average mythic raiding guild to clear a mythic raid and achieve Cutting Edge, even if they never miss a raid night and work on it until the next patch/raid tier hits. The vast majority of mythic raiding guilds never get close to Cutting Edge. I think that's a huge problem for raiding in WoW to be honest. Your typical mythic raiding guild should be able to clear the raid on mythic in four months on a two-night schedule. That would be so incredibly helpful for the raiding scene and guild health. They need to stop listening to the whining of a few high-end players when it comes to raid tuning. Mythic should be harder than heroic, but no boss should require 200, 250, 300, 350+ wipes. It's absolutely absurd. A mid-tier boss shouldn't require 100+ wipes, either. There have been so many overtuned mythic raid bosses just in the last few years of Legion, BfA, and now Shadowlands. That's another consistent problem. And yes, I myself am a Cutting Edge raider who progs through the content. I like the challenge and the teamwork, but I some of this crap is just ridiculous.
I will never play another Blizzard game. Never felt like my time was more disrespected than while playing modern WoW. The holier-than-thou attitude, condescension, and REPEATEDLY poorly implemented systems made me feel like a cow getting milked for $$$. I made it back shorting your stock though. Thanks.
10.0 needs to be the people of azeroth expansion bellular always talks about. No main villains. No awful storyline about some 5head antihero. Just an entire expansion where the people of azeroth (us) get what we want. Dead mines 3.0 is the final raid for all I care.
It's always about money, the longer you grind the longer you sub even with all the systems that are not very welcome by most of the players. Then all of the sudden, Blizz comes with a solution to fix those systems. In other words, Blizz creates the problem, stall for 6 months (More subs for grinding purposes) then when subs drop they fix the problem and take credit for it. And it's working like all other expansions.
@@cattysplat yeah on BFA asmon get himself a girlfriend, on Shadowlands asmon play FFXIV. asmon could probably quit playing on next expansion if they kept this up
Its not a problem of grinding per se, its a problem of _what_ and _how_ you're grinding and what rewards you get for the grind. Go to Korthia. What do you get? Some upgrades for domination shards. OK that's great for raiders but useless for anyone else. Oh and some regular sockets. I mean that's nice but _months_ worth of grinding for +16 of a secondary stat? Hm. And they did it as dailies. No 3-day-buffer like you get with WQs. So if you're serious about getting those rewards you have to find 30-60 minutes _every single day._ You can't just wait until the weekend when you have 3 hours to burn and do it all at once. That really sucks for anyone who has responsibilities outside of the game. Personally what I would love to see something like consumables that are only available as simple gold sinks (well perhaps some new currency.. tokens have broken the gold market). I don't mean 5 million gold mounts but smaller, more attainable things including things like raid flasks/pots/whatever and then _provide multiple ways to get decent amounts of gold._ Right now there is only two real ways to get gold - buy it (tokens) or be a master of the AH. They keep nerfing gold generation facilities like old dungeons and the garrison (ok that one probably needed it - 5k gold per character for clicking "go on this mission" is maybe a little _too_ low in the difficulty department!). Give some currency that can be farmed through old dungeons/raids, pvp, pet battles, raiding itself, dailies, wqs, everything - a shared currency used to purchase things that will be consistently necessary (or at least consistently useful) but cheap enough that people will be willing to spend that currency on it even in the face of potential "large" purchases like pets or mounts. Ideally a currency that can be controlled sufficiently well that it can be carried over from xpac to xpac and if some keeners decide to spend the last 2 months of one xpac farming enough to get the "big" prize mount or mog set or whatever on the first day of the new xpac then power to them. If someone wants to spend 2 weeks farming enough to afford their augment runes for the rest of the xpac then power to them. And make them sellable on the AH so the people who just want to sacrifice a token to get their augment runes for the xpac can do that as well, and the people who prefer farming can do the work to actually collect them. Pet charms _kind of_ work like that, but of course they're restricted to just battle pet stuff and they already did one round of currency swapping and its not tradeable in any fashion, but its at least in the right direction. I would love to see something like that (but better) applied to the wider game. Basically, let me farm when and how _I_ want to farm. Don't _force_ me farm in the worst way possible just to "maximize dps" by some trivial amount. And then there's Torghast. I love the idea of Torghast. I even kind of like the implementation. But I don't like to feel _forced_ to run it, on the maximum difficulty (which is still excessively challenging in around 50/50 heroic/mythic gear), twice a week (two wings) in order to get my legendaries as fast as possible and then never have any reason to run it again once I've filled out the set. Completely strips the fun out of it when its fresh and leaves no reason for me to ever want to go back once I'm done with "choreghast". Things like Torghast would better serve the game if they were built so that the power-generating mechanics (if Blizz decides they're necessary at all) caps out at the "easy" levels and then save the harder difficulties for long-term farms like pets and mounts - and leave those long-term things forever so that people who like "easy" farms can come back next xpac to fill in the things they missed. Again the idea here is to let people farm at their own discretion, not because they "have to". M+ (and to a lesser extent PvP) is more difficult to deal with. M+ and PvP are immediately grindable on patch opening, allowing you to get mythic-quality gear (or close to it) while most guilds are still progressing through normal or heroic raiding. That provides a _massive_ incentive for raiding guilds to "require" gearing up through those alternate means weeks or months before a similar-quality gear is available through their preferred mechanism. They've already tried making PvP gear weaker than raiding gear. PvPers hated that for obvious reasons. They've tried making completely separate PvP gear. Everyone hated that for less-obvious reasons. I can't imagine either of those plans would work better with respect to M+ than they did with PvP. But in the meantime we're in somewhat the opposite position - you can (and therefore "must") perform one or both of these alternative gearing mechanisms if you want to get into raiding at anything higher than the most casual level, even if you have absolutely no interest in them. I can think of two possibilities, though I have no idea if they'd be good ideas: One idea would be to make all raiding gear (and all the gear alternative method gear) the same item level. Differentiate the higher difficulties by the prestige (titles, achievements, cosmetics) and maybe some raid-specific affixes on weapons or rings or whatever. My other idea would be kind of the opposite in a way - provide mythic-tier gear at sub-mythic M+ levels. Maybe normal-level gear at M1 (or even M0), heroic-level gear at M5 and mythic-level at M10 (rather than M15). And again titles/achievements/cosmetics for people who want to push harder. Or take a tack like the above and add some M+-specific affixes to otherwise-equivalent gear from higher M+ levels. I know the "affixes" idea is touching on the same kind of trouble as the old "PvP-specific" gear that failed, but I think being difficulty-specific rather than content-specific might make it work better, especially if the affixes are only a small benefit (maybe 1-2%) that would be important to top-level players but not so much for people who just want the ability to play the parts of the game they want to play without having to spend 6 hours each week sitting in lfg being rejected by pugs for the terrible crime of "not being a healer" and finally get one only to watch the tank bail on the third boss and start the whole process again.
The fact that they have the *audacity* to do this exact same thing that they did in BFA where they introduced a broken system and fixed it more than a year later is insulting…. Everytime I look at my expired sub and I think “maybe I wanna renew my sub and play the game without a care” I can’t help but remember all the times I felt like blizzard spat on our faces. Meh… someday I’ll come back, just not today.
I jumped off this crazy train at Pandaria, unfolded my deck chair, uncorked my kungalush and watched a marvelous train wreck and I've never felt more vindication than I do now.
@@seanhouser4510 or you could simply be presuming things and not realise that I just simply saw the way the winds were blowing and jumped ship before i wasted any more of my time, money or effort on a lost cause.
Blizzard makes systems then they try and write story around it rather then making story and then writing systems around it. It explains how illogical their choices are from a story perspective (and why the story isn't good) since its not for the story but to keep their (in their minds) an "Amazing system players are just too stupid to realize how great it is". I had 0 attachment to the covenant since I had no choice in what I picked, and because of the covenents how they are I only get a fragmented slice of the over-all story, making an already weak story that much worst. All for the sake of upholding their bad systems.
@@juz882010 Its just based on the soulbinds. The person you are binding to for some reason has blanks that you fill with the conduits. Don't ask questions alright that's just how conduits work, they are only going to half ass put in work at why things are and conduits are a step too far to bother explaining. Next thing you will start asking why a tentacle ridden Old God is carring around equipment and where it comes from. They only have so much time half assing the story together to maybe give a few items some significance or a reason being on something!
It's so sad to see him break down like he did here. You can really see how much he still loves WoW, but you also see how torn apart he is about the state of the game. All he wants is for WoW to be good once more.
Tbh the blue post is simply their attempt at damage control. The reality of the situation is, they thought they could make the game good and it turned out to be trash. It's not like they can say in a blue post "yeah, we changing this cos we fucked up in the first place, but still thanks for a year worth of sub for a broken product". FF14 hit them hard recently, now they're scared about New World coming out. What they're actually gonna do is release this patch around that time, and hope to generate enough hype to weather the storm. We'll see, i guess.
This is textbook insanity: Repeating a pattern over and over, while expecting a different result. I find it hard to believe that Blizzard wasn't actively designing these flawed systems to prolong engagement with less content. They're for profit, not for fun.
Now imagine you had all of the covenant powers at once but they share cooldown instead of only having access to one at a time. Makes it far more dynamic for a lot of classes if they could choose which one to use when in dungeons but at the restriction that all abilities went on CD in accordance of the CD being used.
@@rodrigobogado8756 yes i did. And for the most part the story has been good. Yea it’s true the jailor is a big Thanos reference, but WoW has reused bad guy tropes for a long time. The Sylvanus possible redemption Arc makes sense. Especially in how they foreshadowed it when they showed how Uthers soul was ripped in half, making him fall to vengeance and cast Arthas into the Maw, which would completely go against his beliefs. People complain about her saying “ I will never serve” and yet again it makes sense. I her mind she had an agenda that for a time ran parallel to the jailors plan. The first doubt came when she saw him abandon Denathrius. The second came when she saw the domination of Anduin. The last straw came when he basically through even their bargains out the window and claimed everyone would serve. At that moment is when she figured out his true plans.Then add in her now completed soul.
@@seanhouser4510 Uh no. It would work very well. The mawwalker encounters all the covenants and learns from each of them therefore learning new skills.
Blizzard: "When it comes to the limitations on Covenant-switching, millions of players experienced Shadowlands for the first time through the lens of their Covenant of choice, and that would have not been possible had the choice carried less weight from the outset." Translation: "If we didn't lock characters to their covenants, players wouldn't have wanted to play through the story." "You think you do, but you don't"
This comment is targeted at people who still pay the mothly fee: Thank you for beta testing this expansion guys, keep up the good pay, let us know when it's good to go :)
I'm just tired of being their paying tester for 70% of expansion to enjoy the remaining 30%. I'm tired of each update being afraid being scared that they might make my faivourat class becoming useless compared to others. I'm tired of uselessb boring grind. I'm tired of seeing bots all over the map farming and destroying the economy. Tierd of the them changing all classes each expansion, why change a class that every one loved at the start of next expansion. Tired of all the borrowed powers. Tired of new zones each expansion while the rest of the world is empty.
@@Jethorus or you don't have mind about it and move on instead of poisoning yourself with the news and seeing that it won't get it better or not, I'm the kind of guy that takes breaks from the game and move on for a few months then come back to the game and find it with a couple changes and I either don't like them or I'm happy with them or just accept it the way it is and play it with my own enjoyment and interest and it's just annoying seeing others whine about it when they can move on a bit from the game instead of waiting around and twirling their thumbs
@@Jethorus because we loved this game. I personally played it for years. And even if it is in this bad state, I still hope they would fix it. So I follow the news. But when they come up with same lame excuse they give us each expansion instead of doing something meaningful, like we don't know their tricks after all this time, it annoys and disappoints me. Yeah I am playing other games, I stopped playing WOW two months in SL, but still hope to return to WOW and play with my friends I made in the game. I still check my faivourat class and spec to see if they fixed it.
I feel like for a long time the most common phrase to say when it comes to WoW Blizzard is "This is the way the game should have been on release." once they finally fix something lol.
Nobody is talking about how the squish on stats just kills their old expansions and any love of leveling experience. I see 0 videos of retail wow leveling and how fun it is… because it isnt
I was excited to play through the old content, clicked "Cata" to go see those old maps again... makes me level old Azeroth to 40 before I can go into Cata for 40-50 then wants me to go to SL. Well, maybe old Azeroth is fun, I'm enjoying Classic, let's see the difference. *heads to badlands where I was on this alt before the squish* Nope. Not fun at all. I got three levels in about 5 quests and was like why bother? I'm not going to get to see most of the content as fast as they're throwing XP and blue quest rewards at me. I'm DELETING mobs in one-shot. It's not a game, it's just... motions. Game implies challenge and fun. This was neither. *deletes retail from computer and gains 80GB of free space*
"We fixed a system we shipped broken. Praise us."
"No."
"Well that guy is just an asshole."
Sadly I can't superlike
Blizzard's only current content is drama. And they're milking it dry.
Then leave the game if you don't enjoy it
@@jonton9228 he said blizzard not world of warcraft kekw
@@jonton9228 I’m sure Amir is appreciative of your ability to highlight his options for him.
Lemme highlight something for you, Jonton, Blizzard is a worthless company who doesn’t have any players best interested in mind. They’re only interest in people like you who have every store mount & follow all the blizzard devs. 🤩
@@jrzgcwrocks can't have an opinion without getting dog piled anymore, such a "great community" you all are 🤔
@@jonton9228 That wasn´t even an opinion. That was a completely unrelated and empty statement that you made for whatever reason. *Then leave the community alone if you don´t enjoy it*
I am dev myself. When the client doesn't like the product of the company I work for, do you know what they do? They change company and go to a rival. It's my job as a dev and the company's job to make a better product so the clients would come back. This is how business work! And there are plenty of dev teams in every company, so yeah, the devs are also at fault.
Game companies have managed to guilt-trip their gamers into believing that their money and their time is not important. If your product sucks then it's your problem, not the client's problem. Fanboys/girls may want to continue paying a dead horse and worship multibillion companies who "don't pay" their devs. You pay for some services. If you don't like the services you have every right to complain and then leave.
Also, I am so tired of hearing " the poor devs". The devs should have a backbone and some pride. If they are ok with overworking and getting paid shit, guess what! They CHOSE to stay there and keep getting fucked over the company! Not my problem or your problem. When I am not getting paid enough or I am getting treated like shit, I quit and go to another company. I am a dev in the age of technology. If I can't find a job, who will?
I am dev too. A dev can of course give feedback and recommendations on systems, but they have no say on what is ultimatly added or not, and quitting or getting fired by being bullheaded about it isn't going to make a game better; you'll be replaced with little thought, what the designers want will make it into the game, and you'll only gain the pleasure of having to look for a new job.
There are many dev jobs out there, sure; but devs aren't a scarce resource either.
This kinda bull is why I dont work in that industry. I game dev as a hobby but I would always be bullheaded about bad design decisions and have to find new work.
Omg thank you for saying this👌🏻
"Please come back, my love, im not gonna beat you anymore."
"I swear it'll be different this time, I've changed"
"I fell down the stairs / it's my fault / he just works too hard"
You guys are getting more and more idiotic with your comparisons, WoW is getting progressively better with updates and yet you all are acting like FF is better even though it has no good pvp 🤔
I can’t go back! There is no going back! That bridge is not only been burned, it was blown up. That’s from deleting my 16 year blizzard account. There’s no going back from that!
You don't know WoW like I do. You don't know about the good times. How he means well. He only sexually assaults me at conventions, office parties, while I'm at home or when I do something wrong. WoW let's me know when I make a mistake "you think you do but you don't " WoW knows best. We got so much time spent together, you don't understand our sunken cost together. WoW will do better next patch, I know WoW better than you do.
I think I've only actually watched Asmon's stream maybe a couple of times over the years but I watch these highlights like crazy through the years.
Because you can watch these videos days after they are done, we don't have time to allways watch his streams
Algorithm
Same
For me, as a 31yo, with a job and a semblance of a real life that also likes to game, watching streams for hours and hours is just not feasible. So having his reactions that I can just watch while I eat something or while I go to work or smth is way better for me.
Not to critique: but if you have a career or shop with guys who also game you can try what I did. I talked with the guys about throwing Asmon on Bluetooth speaker around the office. His music and talk show quality are usually better then radio for 30+ Age group. The guys love it and I just introduced them to doc since they are all big FPS players.
The goggles are finally off for myself and many many others. I've looked and slightly tried many other MMO's but always found myself giving reasons to not give the games a real chance like ''WoW has this and does this and i have all my history on the game blah blah'' Now i've actually given games like FF14 a real chance the stark realisation of how garbage WoW has been for so long has finally kicked in.
not really thats a fallacy. FF14 also went through a lot of rough patches. you just werent there to witness them.
@@lightup6751 at least FF14 was williing to learn, adapt and improve over time, unlike WoW
There is a whole multiverse out there, loli.
@@lightup6751 I think I can still feel some part of the the “rough patches” along the way playing through msq and gradually i feel the game is actually trying to improve the msq experience in each expansion.
@@lightup6751 Careful while inhaling copium
The funny thing is that Asmon's mom said "There is some shit I will not eat" in regards to why she isn't playing WoW anymore on today's stream lol
@UCJET34y5k6noEv4ptJF7_Jw dam you MAD mad lol
@UCJET34y5k6noEv4ptJF7_Jw found the blizzard simp
WoW is ending. Players are letting go like the leaf of withering flower. They are free now.
They do not feel anymore that they must grind. They are happy now. They are released.
@Wrongfully Censored lots of people are i feel thats basicly part of the conversation that is world of warcraft.
They just repeatedly shit on us and expect us to say thank you sir that was fun, may I have some more? Doesn't matter if its $1 or $1000 a month I'm not into getting pooped on much less paying for it.
Of course it's Ion's fault. He's championed the mantra "it's our game, not the player's game" for years and shat on our feedback again and again and again.
Amazing, the guy from ELITIST JERKS is an Elitist Jerk. :ShockedPickachu:
What a dbag. He wouldn’t have a job without us. It’s ironic because yes, it’s his game cuz we literally rent our characters, but that’s not a good thing, that’s nothing to be proud of.
Actual quote or paraphrase?
@@Da_Schwartz instead of korthia catchup gear, it wouldve been better if crafter made the catchup gear, up to 220 ilvl.
And then maybe crafter could use mats dropped in the raid, to make raid lvl gear (boe)
put Ions ass back on the raid development team where he belongs. Throne of thunder was great and he directed it. There is a thing such as someone being promoted out of their skill set. This IS one of those cases.
"the fact that they made all these changes, they KNEW what players wanted, they just didn't do it" 100%
staying unsubbed to wow
Yep, psychopaths and narcists run the company and they know for a 100% what they are doing. It's really sadistic.
Can you pass me your gold ?
"Covenant of choice" I didn't get to choose my covenant anyway, I was forced to play the one that did the most damage. As an Ele shaman, I would've MUCH rather played either Night Fae or Venthyr because I thought they were both cooler aesthetically, but as a raider it's pick the "best" one or get benched and I wasn't even raiding mythic, that was for heroic. The fact that they're so delusional as to think there was ever a "choice" on covenant for most players outside of super casuals is just mind boggling.
I have bad news doe you. This wont change. Yoy will still playing your bis and now players also can demand after you to have bis as everyone have aceass to besr ones. So expect not getting invites without having bis covenant. And no this wasnt happening before this change.
NF is good for ele shaman, also if not raiding mythic for top100 no one should care about your pick, if they do you move guild. These wannabe pro guilds always pick meta but fail to see why it's meta mostly, also add to that they typically fail on basic mechanics, so fixing that problem results in more dmg than someone with the right covenant.
They don't really believe there was a choice, they're being 100% facetious here and saving face only. This was always designed with the one and only purpose of making players play for longer so they look good on their quarterly reports and, if they're lucky squeeze a sub or two out of players while they wait for Covenant Energy to replenish.
Blizzard had never believed or intended for this to be about choice. The community has never believed this has been about choice. If anyone believes this was about choice, oh well.
there was a choice though your raiding with toxic players and sadly the majority of raid guilds are perpetuating that toxic mentality bye enforcing the min/max decisions sure it would be nice if blizzard could = balancing every different covenant and class but there too many choices at this point that thats a way more complicated achievement then ppl care to aknowledge did the devololper fuck up yup do the players make those fuck ups even worst hell yea do
@@frosstchild they have more than enough money to address the complexity of a game, they just don't prioritize the expenses to make the game better. No doubt they will have a million business related excuses, but Asmong said it right when he said that's not his job. WoW was nearly DOA for me all those years ago, especially with how bad chat was and how few features supported forming parties and such... Last thing Blizzard did that was any good imho was Diablo II's expansion, and I didn't even get to nerd out on that as I was busy becoming an adult...
Funny how all the spark of everything died when I did that, and now all is see is zombies and dead dreams. XD
"Players will swap conduits on every dungeon or every fight"
So just like they are already doing with Talents?
I miss when wow was an mmo and not an action rpg in the vein of Diablo3.
@@mikeoxlong3676 I think the illusion and addition of choice is the problem. Personally I'd be fine if we didn't have talents at all. Would I miss them? Certainly, there's some fun in experimenting with builds.
But I also feel it complicates the game more than it needs and after a while the game would be in a healthier state with classes and specs that are built to function a certain way. Keep this kind of customization to PvP where there is a "push and pull" between players, but not the same in a PvE situation alike a game like Diablo or singleplayer RPG.
@@prinstyrio0 As much as I dislike... okay hate modern wow and probably wont be spending money on a blizzard product for quite a while anyway... I cannot disagree more. Specs are far from the root of the problem and removing them would just make the game that much less fun.
@@EbonMaster let's be honest 99% of people look up a talent build and go with it.
There is no real choice when it comes to talents other than aoe or single dps. Talents are pointless
not to mention SPECS, which we need to SWAP CONDUITS FOR BLIZZARD.
18:30 as a developer with years of experience. This is exactly correct. Once a system becomes complex, tech companies always push for "microservices" to a point where nobody knows how the whole system should work and every component is backed by a team that only cares about its component and just checks with sister teams on design decisions, sister teams, who generally don't give a fuck about your design as long as it doesn't break theirs. Then managers become ultra protective to a point that they will never consider "hey maybe this component is unnecessary" and will always just continually patch a shitty system because their job depends on it. A lot of modern software engineering techniques have ruined software engineering because it's more about extracting the most amount of money rather than building the best software. And this is because managers need to hit their KPIs, which are all monetary or "productivity", rather than clean software. Even the creator of Agile and Microservice patterns have come out and criticized his own creation when he said that almost every person who is getting certified on these mechanisms are managers while he originally intended it to be developer first and to be self-correcting.
That sounds very likely, and by the look of it, is exactly whats happening. But, that isn't our problem as consumers/customers. That is their problem, and they are going to continue to have more problems when they lose more and more money/customers.
"No please baby come back! I've changed!" - Blizzard probably.
Yep. They've said this multiple times over the years. Time to dump him/her.
*takes a swig from flask if unhindered passing stupidity
the reason it takes 6 months to "implement" the feedback is so that the 6-month subbers, whose subs have run out, are given a reason to resub for another 6 months. so, you sub for 6 months at the start of the expansion, game is bad but you play it anyway, then you get bored and move on and your sub runs out, then blizz brings out their "fixes" and then you sb again for another 6 months. that's one possible reason for the 6 months+ waits for fixes. just a thought anyway.
6months is just an arbitrary number. The feedback on these dumb changes started in alpha, which was over a year ago. It's just mindblowing.
how else do you think kotick bonused his ass out
No. A lot of people who unsubbed aren’t coming back. These fixes aren’t enough of a reason to come back. There’s still little content to do. Also some unsubbed before SL even started because of these dumb systems, so they’re only losing money for fixing them 9 months later.
POV: Realizing this is actually me... Smh
Its a smart business design. A terrible system.
I don't even play WoW, I just like hearing him rant.
Same lol
me too, but he inspired me to try ffxiv
no one cares.
@@lmaolmfao7590 false, 194 people do
Totally get you, People ranting about Wow in general is entertaining. I don't even understand half of player's complaints and lingo, but everyone is so passionate a bout it, it makes it sound like pressing and serious things to complain about even if it is only a game. I don't know what Wow has made to its players to make them this eloquent when voicing their complaints but it's engaging as all hell.
For the longest time, I always wondered why Asmon had so much appeal to such a wide audience, and I thought he was overrated - until I took the time to watch his videos. His passion for the game, and the community, and his dedication to exposing problems that others are otherwise too eager to dismiss and sweep under the rug - all of these are reasons why Asmon now has my full respect
Kk
I spent a few years assuming he was just a giant loud dbag, and then I actually gave him a chance... and he's actually a really intelligent, well spoken, thoughtful giant loud dbag. He also has gained my respect. :)
@@Caliban743 I agree with the OP, and I disagree with Asmon regularly. I usually just close the stream whenever it gets political because I don't think his rants are conducive to any sort of productive discussion on polarizing political topics. But when it comes to Twitch or video games he has some of the most well educated opinions (for people who approach games like he does).
PS. I play Genshin, and he also shits on Genshin regularly even though he has never played the game.
@@Mephil People know about Asmon and T1 even without actually watching their content...the idea that you can't have an initial impression is such a dumb take.
He has taken the red pill 🤭
On a side note about the conduit energy, he said "Players will swap conduits on every dungeon or every fight" the average player isn't going to do that lol
Most likely not, but I just might, myself. I'd probably be considered "hardcore" even though I only raid for 6 hours a week.
i didnt do it as i new i had a limit now i will lol
Like even if that's true: WHO CARES? "Oh no, players will interact with this system we put in TOO MUCH, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!" Who the fuck even comes up with this bullshit?
Its fun even if they did. Cause some fights you get yourself killed even using your covenant ability like the DK Necrolord ability.
Or specs favoring different covenants would have more Tanks or Healers spec switching for groups.
Any argument trying to prove players will NEED to swap covenants or conduits per boss just proves how dogshit being locked to a single one for every single type of content is.
The fact that they try to justify a failed system just show they're going to do it again next time they release an expansion. They got me for the last time with Shadowlands.
How did players experience the expansion "through the lens of their covenant"? The story was in bite sized chunks that were drip-fed over weeks. I didn't feel particularly attached to being a Necrolord. These words sound great, but the actual implementation doesn't match the experience of what was in game.
That’s the problem with Time gating everything
if youre gonna add a faction system in a game then fucking flesh it out before release so people actually feel an attachment to them
It almost feels like the post was written in a vacuum. As if anyone is playing to experience the game "through the lens of their covenant choice"... They're not. They just want to play to get to the end and kill the big bad guy.
It's like someone who works at Blizzard but never played WoW read what the expansion was about and tried to write a letter of excuse to justify things that should probably never have been justified in the first place.
The easiest way to implement "your choice matters" would have been to eliminate the stupid time gating of the covenant stories and then have you play through a covenant storyline in order to freely choose it. That way, the base experience of Shadowlands 9.0 would have been experiencing all covenant stories and unlocking all abilities to freely choose between then. You're going into 9.1 as the champion of all the Covenants.
But Blizzard: "You think you want it but you don't!"
WOW needs a Dave Filino type to save the franchise.
All i can say is, thank you Asmongold for continuing to report on this when sites like IGN call it old news, despite terrible things continuing to happen. The best gaming journalists are the gamers themselves
Who the fuck unironically reads IGN anyway?
"The best gaming journalists are the gamers themselves"
Mate we are fucking dumb as shit. Yet I will STILL take one of our opinions over a gaming 'journalist' any day.
@@chrisettia895 Lets be honest IGN aka 8/10 land hasn't been taken seriously for YEARS. Christ I can remember people taking the piss out of both it AND Gamespot like 5-6 years ago.
@@Roflstab Takes true intelligence to admit your own stupidity. But please. speak for yourself.
@@luketfer 10-15 years for me. lol They've both been a joke for ages, even since the AOL days.
RE: the covenant of choice bit, Blizzard is wrong on a more fundamental level. It isn't about the Renown cap being high to prevent swapping at the start. If player power had _not_ been attached to covenant choice, players would have _actually been with their covenant of choice!_ Instead, players were with _the covenant that made them strongest._ This wasn't player agency. Simcraft was the one making the choice for you, the devs' _balance_ was the one making the choice. Hunters that like Venthyr, Shamans that liked Kyrian, Deathknights that like Night Fae, Rogues that liked Necrolords, there were _sooooo_ many combinations of class and covenant that simply _were not viable_ at release. And to this day there remain a huge chunk of combinations that are not viable, though _which_ ones are not has shifted with the balance tuning (to the consternation of players committed to a now-suboptimal covenant).
Blizzard thought attaching player power to the choice made it matter more, but it made it matter _less,_ because it meant players weren't actually the ones making the choice. If they _hadn't_ tied player power to it, that choice would have been much more deeply personal to each player. Which covenant they like the story of, or the aesthetics of, the transmog or mount or side activity or zone or w/e. Instead, the conversation around covenants _since day one_ has not been about _the actual covenants._ It's always been about the _abilities_ they give you. Which class abilities are best, which covenant-global abilities are best, which soulbinds are best, which ones are best for the content you do or the spec you prefer or the gear level you're at or the talent build you run. No one is _allowed_ to care about the covenants and their themes and stories, because their covenant choice was _forced_ on them by the fickle hand of game balance, rather than _their own fucking choice!_
The core issue is player power tied to covenant choice, not covenant choice being difficult to change. Unlink player power from the covenants, and people lose the _need_ to hotswap them on the regular. If your strength in combat isn't determined by your covenant, then like 99.8% of the reason _anyone_ would be invested in changing covenants simply evaporates.
WoW in a nutshell...
@@seanwarren9357 yep. The devs don't just not do the right thing, they in fact do precisely the wrong thing. They read player feedback, decide that players are simply wrong, and implement changes based on what they feel player opinions _should_ be.
oh my god! so true. I immensely enjoy Night Fay esthetics and mogs and mounts and pets and storyline (basically everything). But as a raiding frost mage, I can only play Venthyr, cause their ability is just so powerful in DPS. I had to suck it up and play Venthyr or I be at the bottom of parses (they're great, just not my style) So while these changes are good for me, I felt like I've lost so much time waiting and longing for it, eh :(
@@yelenapavlenko2344 Ya, and even then, this isn't really a "proper" solution for your use case. From what I've read, they aren't introducing a new UI or anything for swapping the abilities. You still just have the abilities of whatever covenant you're in at the moment, you can just swap those at will. If they don't improve that mechanism at all, you'll see the following flow for your week:
* Start as Night Fae for story/aesthetics/garden activity/turning in Anima/etc.
* Raid night hits, head to Oribos, talk to Venthyr NPC, click "yes" to 3 successive prompts to join Venthyr. Possibly get a quest to go talk to someone in the class hall (not sure if this happens when swapping *back* to a covenant, tbh)
* Raid finished, go repeat the process to swap back to Night Fae.
* Repeat for each raid night.
Truly _amazing_ design, that. /s
Meanwhile, swapping between _entire classes_ in FFXIV is literally as complex as pushing a button on your hotbar to swap your gearset.
@@KaedysKor Hell, I'll give an even better example, cause the Covenant's sound a lot like how the Grand Companies in FF14 work (mount costumes, transmog outfits, cosmetic stuff, etc) and yet first major difference: NONE OF THE UNLOCKS FROM THEM AFFECT YOUR CLASS'S POWER PROGRESSION. Everything you unlock from ranking up in your Grand Company, you can acquire elsewhere without worrying about your classes power being affected, and everything that can't be acquired elsewhere is all cosmetic items and crafting materials and whatnot (again, none of which is tied to your classes power levels)
And point number 2: Once you reach a certain rank, you can freely swap to any of the other two Grand Companies as you wish. Granted you'll have to pay Gil and wait at least 15 days per transfer after the first, but again, none of the progression is tied to your class power.
Blizzard: "You can't have fun because of Lore reasons"
Sylvanas: "I wilL nEVeR sErVe"
“…now that I am unable to continue all of the serving I have been doing…”
Blizz: " we can't let you have fun because of lore reasons."
Also Blizz: "haha, fanfic go brrr"
the best part is that the lore doesn't even justifie it either, the covenants aren't divided when we get to the shadowlands most of the covenant champaigns are literally about helping the other covenants, it's just blizzard being stuborn AF.
They're using the Lore as a cheap excuse for their design decisions, and to distract from the fact that they're putting less and less content into the game per release. Blizz hasn't cared about the story or lore (beyond a few high ranking dev's self-inserts and pets) for years now. The friggen entire Horde faction is nothing more than a plot-device for the company to do whatever the hell they want without consequence. The Alliance is this walking purity test that is never allowed more nuance or complexity than "the Sue Good Guys". They're using "story" they dont care about to distract from the fact that the reason they had to heavily time gate the bare bones story they wanted to invest in.
Also Activison/Blizzard: Gives Warlocks overpowered PVP talent teleporting players in walls, disconnect abysses, etc.
The part you are missing is yes, a lot of us are having fun with all the content coming out. Then after true role playing fans have had their fun with the cool new toys, then all the elitist prick babies can have their easy mode play.
The whole game after Legion was complete fanfic self-insert diversity bull.
Gamers: "What you guys don't have subs?"
Blizzard: "You're all a bunch of assholes"
This is what happens when businesses become woke. No self responsibility, no sense for improvement, problems are everyone else's fault.
@@sik3xploit Nah has nothing to do with that. Blizzard been going to shit for years and years now. People are finally just realizing it
@@sik3xploit It's not about being woke. Hell, FFXIV is plenty woke (for a Japanese game), the problem is being an egotistical asshole who can never admit that they were wrong.
@@zenspeed404 I don't think people know what it even means.
@@sik3xploit u sound like the quartering, everything he hates it just woke lol
"ingame reports of harrasment, and more serious penalities for people engaged in disruptive behavior"
Thats cool and all but you fired most of the gms to enforce it
"Defund the police!"
*crime rises 700%*
*surprised pikachu face*
Dont worry they got rid of /spit and the /whistle sound they got rid of all toxicity in game! No need to spend more money on it!
How it will work in reality - players will get perma bans for random 10 reports from other players. “Problem solved”
@@reycole8837 so any guild can get anyone they want banned ? That will not solve any problems. It will make even more problems.. Happy you dont have any say at blizzard
@@Kimfakkel found the guy who cant see sarcasm
"Players will never be happy"
Final Fantasy Players: "I'm so happy, these expansions are only getting better :)"
yeah and with final fantasy the free trial is half the entire story combining the base game and first expansion (at least till november when it becomes 2/5ths when the new expansion comes) with unlimited play time up to level 60 (current cap is 80) and the ability to play all classes and professions on a single character and all level 60 available content. How is it that other modern mmos still have this "you're level 20 now pay up" or "its been 14 days" mentality. Final Fantasy completely objectively obliterates all other free trials of mmos.
@@meitomiyazaki9848 It's actually pretty insane how much you get from just the free trial, as someone who just started playing it, I'm so thankful to able to play through the first expansion for free and I'm having so much fun. WoW really doesn't cater at all to new players in my opinion, I played it a bit a few years ago and then started playing again in march. I hate the fact that you can't play the previous expansions the way you can in FFXIV, I stopped playing after a month and a half of playing it, really wasn't fun for long unfortunately and everything just felt like a grind.
"Eh PvP could be better...it's kinda lame" "yeah it kinda is...oh they're at least going to try to work on it for the next expansion...neat!"
@@aspannas It literally took me 200 hours to complete the first expansion's BASE story. There is a LOT to do in the free trial. Only gripe I have with the ff14 trial is that you cannot start a party yourself (only join them).
@@spinerflame7922 oh wow, that’s a lot of free game play hours, looking forward to it. Yeah the free trial has it’s restrictions, so far I’m haven’t been having any issues with it and it’s only fair there are restrictions. I’ll probably buy the game if I feel like I need to but I’d prefer to wait until the new expansion, feels like a waste of money when I can get all the previous expansions with the new one.
21:37 and at this moment, the voice of every blizzard gamer who have been around since the '90s comes to light. We grew up playing the best games ever, but here we are in 2021 with dogshit designed by those who couldn't give two fucks. It is so sad to see our favorite product(s) waste away with a company that used to be absolute badass. "I am sick of it" is just the tip of the iceberg of how the older blizzard gamers actually feel.
Randomowy papaj
i believe everthing has a reason. asmongold is the clearest English speaker. i mean as a foreigner, I can clearly hear every single word he said and understand him. no matter how fast he speaks. it's just a talent.
I believe in not believing that everything has a reason
he's a texan, we texans speak good.
He has said before that is intentional
Meanwhile on XQC's stream: "Uahuahuahuahuah good one dude. Ehehehehehehehehe SNIPERRRR!!!! H"
That's a huge point of the why I follow him, beside I like him now( he was toxic asf in the past), he is a good voice for the community that have the right of criticize them as an old player...I'm Brazilian and understanding him was never a challenge
"When it comes to the limitations on Covenant-switching, millions of players experienced Shadowlands for the first time through the lens of their Covenant of choice, and that would have not been possible had the choice carried less weight from the outset." This is the most peak WoW Dev sentence I have ever read. Even when they are forced to make these changes because more than half the player base has bailed they still can't admit they were wrong.
"When it comes to the limitations of ice-cream eating, you could not have enjoyed the rocky road you asked for unless we forced you to optimize and eat a 32lb tub of vanilla first"
In the early interviews with Ion, like the one Preach did during alpha/beta, all the time Ion talked about the Covenants being like an RPG choice and took examples from RPG games choosing your party members and so forth, how being locked being that choice brings some fulfilling meaning.
It's clear they got this vision of "Bringing RPG back to WoW's MMORPG" and try to form their own opinions what makes RPGs fun, but don't realize that WoW doesn't function like one fully, nevermind that it's an MMO even. I don't get it why they don't realize majority of the players don't feel the same way and that playing WoW is not like playing Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age.
It's just a different game such design ideas don't work. Them not realizing it makes me doubt they'll not do more similar mistakes come next xpac.
@@prinstyrio0 I'm a fan of more RPG elements making it back into the game. The problem is that the game overall has strayed so far from its RPG foundations that making one system and putting it in the game will cause issues (even if the system was done well). Stuff that is annoying but tolerable in Classic would be unbearable if ripped out and put into modern WoW. A new system has to be fun in its own right, and fit well into the existing game. New systems in WoW haven't done either of those for years, whether they are RPG focused or not.
A fairly classic American mindset to have: "If I admit that I'm wrong then that means I am responsible and held accountable for improving myself and righting wrongs, but because that's too much work, too expensive, and a possible liability in court, I'll never admit I'm wrong."
That's why Acti-Blizz have yet to make any actual apology for the lawsuit, because by apologizing, they indirectly admit guilt to the court.
@@absolute8342 WoW is dead. Time to pack up and move on. Blizz knows this will happen so are just milking a dead cow while players keep enabling them.
Blizz need to do a whole revamp/reboot ~ e.g. GW2 or FF mechanics with a 'new' story.
It's the level of endless hubris from Blizzard that never ceases to amaze me. They spend months or years telling players- who generally seem to have better ideas- they're wrong, only to perform a complete about-face when they believe the have absolutely no other option. Absolutely no idea what the fuck they're doing.
"... their covenant of Choice"
Ah yes. The choice that the Sim made for me.
I mean there will always be a best option. You can play what you want for fun or creativity or play what does the best to min max for raid. There isnt an option to make them all equal unless they make covs purely cosmetic. Which is basically what they're doing.
At least, now you get the freedom to juggle between your personal choice and your BIS choices depending on the content you cleared.
Granted if I had a choice, I would’ve wanted no player power attached to what is, in essence, a role playing element
@@Justaguy1123 well that's the problem right there. When you intentionally design it where one is obviously better than the other for each class, then that actually makes it a no brainer to go with that one covenant so it ends up not really being much of a choice. Plus choosing a different covenant can end up harming the class especially when you're trying to raid or pvp
@@SirePuns It's so funny because that's exactly what talents used to be until they completely neutered them (also glyphs, to a lesser extent). Why do they keep ruining their own game? Maybe to keep their jobs with stuff to do? I can't fathom their logic.
That part, and I really mean this, that part despeartely sounds like someone trying to save their job.
"we can send this girlfriend to therapy" that is pure and unadulterated copium with the current administration of the game
It's more like "we can send this girlfriend to therapy for the 18th time, she will change obviously."
I call it hope because at least he acknowledges the fact that there's a problem. Pure copium would pretend it doesn't exist
@@boinghot sounds awfully like our justice system releasing people that deserve a 20th chance...
Lmao
FF andys are out in full force trying to shit on the better game from what it looks like 🤔
I swear that Blizzard just leverages quality of life in every patch to resell the same patch multiple times to try get people paying to play. I don't remember any system throughout the past 3 expansions that wasn't magically improved with basic quality of life changes multiple months after release. Legion legendaries, BFA corruptions and azerite and now covenants. All given obvious, basic changes and promoted to entice players back or to keep playing and not quit.
It's literally just a "greener pastures over the horizon" scam that has been happening for years.
It's definitely intentional, especially with these 6-month pre-order mounts, and only fixing the issue after that period.
They want players to double dip
tragic what this game has become
“Please Zack come back, I know I beat you everyday, lie to you, touch other girls and constantly ignore your plea or feedback. But I changed all this stuff, I won’t beat you again.”
Blizzard truly is like being in a toxic relationship
@@Sage11 it isn't like being in one, it is one.
Its too late. He's already found a hotter, younger person who understands what he needs better. And instead of beatings, they give him headpats.
@@JackgarPrime the headpats and waifus
If I remember correctly, Blizzard actually said they would rather test new systems out then upkeep existing systems (Archeology). Systems that are one-off are simply shit game design... So... yeah.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis It's designed like a raid. The classic raid required gathering all sorts of mats to prep for the raid, some unique. Each expansion is now designed the same, unique systems for each expansion. This is Ion's fault. The raid team should not be designing full expansions, only the raids.
I think a huge issue is having these big systems dictate how you play the coming expansion. Artifact weapons, Heart of Azeroth and Azerite Armor, Conduits and Covenants; all dictate how the xpac is played.
I realized this playing FF14 where they don't really add these kind of systems to dictate how you play the core part of the game. I realized that after doing Bozja for my relic, where the additional system it had there reminded me so much of how it was to play WoW. It was a cool addition, but I'm glad I don't need to see it throughout the whole xpac and its just optional content.
Blizzard need to stop making these huge systems that you're FORCED to play with for about 3 years that takes you away from the core gameplay; class, specs, talents, gear. Legendaries imo was the only interesting addition that changed it up, but at the same time we sacrificed raid tier bonuses for them. Artifact weapons were fun too but overwhelming. Main part that was exciting was unlocking the new skills in it, strengthening your main ability and the skins.
This also gets too much. You notice how they're struggling to balance the classes, specs, their talents and then the legendaries, then ONTOP of the one off systems that is slapped onto the core gameplay, ONTOP of also doing meaningless reworks for rework sake. Whilst FF14 has the jobs (classes), that's it. No different versions within a job, no talent customization, no items that changes how they play. Yet the game is plenty fun.
All this wasted time could be put to bringing back old systems and making them better or focus on the core game whilst adding meaningful ones.
tldr: Stop one off systems, focus on the core game (classes, specs, talents, maybe legendaries/raid gear bonuses too) and keep any one-off systems as optional content, whilst also making all that same content remain relevant.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis Actually, HoA is still very active and you can still farm Azerite for it and you can still use it in any non-Shadowlands content. It's one of the main reasons there are these theories that BFA never actually ended and that we didn't truly defeat N'Zoth (and the sword is still stabbed through Silithus). Blizz has never let a past system or special weapon carry through to a new expansion like they did with HoA/Azerite. They also didn't nerf the follower mission table, you can still grind out some halfway decent rewards (not including the treasure maps) which is also another thing they never did before. Something doesn't sit right with all this.
I am all for trying something new. But only if they have polished what they have to a fine quality. Otherwise, it's just gonna be a tumor.
@@cujoedaman I don’t think they have the foresight to pull off such a twist. As cool as that would be I think it’s purely an accident.
"I can change, I change... I didn't mean to be a filthy little asshole..."
Blizzard Hussein
@Solid tally hahaha, glad I'm not alone here. XD
They dun Bojack'd it up.
*Staff member stumbles and drops shredded paper of PR complaints meant for the court*
B Hussein: Get out, get out, your fired
I love this game and these changes are massive improvements, but it’s such a slap in the face that it took being investigated for sexual harassment and then a mass exodus for them to get some semblance of common sense. Plus, there’s no guarantee we aren’t going to get kneecapped again in the next expansion or even the next patch after they think they earned back some good will after this. It’s like being fed a good meal by a kidnapper who’s starved you for 4 days
You know in the new expansion they're going to take away all these mass improvements like they always do
It didn’t take them that much to do this, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT IN THE PAST. The only difference is instead of it being in the 9.2 patch it’s in 9.1.5. They always release a bullshit system then destroy it afterwards and invalidate the time people spent on it just so they can get some of the casuals who quit after the realized that the system was bullshit. This has happened before, the only thing new here is them being early by what? 5-7 months?
Oh and yes, the lawsuit and the exodus has something to do with them releasing the system destroying patch earlier, if it didn’t happen they’d wait to release it for future patches, like they always fuxking do.
" Plus, there’s no guarantee we aren’t going to get kneecapped again"
I'd say more : there's a guarantee you ARE gonna get kneecapped again.
Quit this garbage. Best decision I ever made.
as soon as the trial rolls over stupid grind mechanics will be back
I feel you, Asmon. I was playing Warcraft since 95 with Orcs and Humans. I played Warcraft 2, I played Warcraft 3 for a stupid amount of time....still love it, I'm terrible at it, but love it...Then got into WoW during it's beta, Troll Warrior first character rolled. I met my wife playing WoW right before Burning Crusade, we played together up until Shadowlands when she quit playing. I'm still subbed but find myself asking why. There is a special place in my heart for Warcraft and I will always hold out hope that it can get better, but right now it just feels like I'm watching an old friend die and there's nothing I can do to stop it.
Yep, exactly. It's sad to see it go from such a wonderful story to being distracted by shitty real life shit that they do. It's so upsetting
I know this has been exhausted to death but I really recommend you trying out FF14 (even just the trail, for a few days)! It will feel like a new experience, especially if you play with it with your wife. I'm sure you and her will enjoy it a lot if you just go in with zero expectations and nothing to lose (other than some of your time, and perhaps a bit of money, if you choose to buy it and play the first free month).
You can always go back to WoW if FF14 is not your cup of tea, but I think sometimes it's good to get a different perspective and a different change of environment just to see what's on the other side.
@@ToyokaX i already play FF14, my wife actually did too and quit it before WoW, but its not relevant. FF14 being fun or not has no bearing on the fact I would much rather WoW still be the game and series I've loved for as long as I have and not the cash cow shell of itself its been shoe-horned into.
Same here, man. Was just a kid when I played warcraft 2 and blown away, a love with born, and now we're watching the kid on fucking stuffed full of drugs and life support
@Gronk727 old friend that also has alzheimer and keeps insulting u every time u visit
It's to the point that every statement Blizzard makes just sounds like a kid doing a book report the night before it's due. They spend more time writing the statement than doing the research, and it all just sounds like bs.
“You can’t make the same mistake 5 years in a row.” The next step to regaining trust is listening to the players’ overwhelming complaints during alpha. As it currently stands, the embarrassingly low hanging fruit of these QOL changes, which they held off so long to implement, is only bait to lure you back in, and do it all over again.
Someone FINALLY realized that since Diablo Immortal, it's 'one big mistake/controversy per year.'
Also the claims "it's not possible" is a lie when it comes to computer programs. If a computer is capable of doing it, then it's possible. I mean for fucks sake AI is only "impossible" in current time is because there's not enough processing power to do it properly.
@@paulghignon4092 its not possible because they lost their core coders
@@MagicSpamDragon that's crap. Code is code, you don't need to same developer to go over "core code". That would fall under, the original code being heavily outdated and no one wanting to saddle up the cash to update it. To put this into context, there's been 4 major revisions to c++ since wow was released, and the best version they can have would be c++03; the standard today is to use c++20.
Had blizzard not ignored that big ol elephant in the room for so long it wouldn't be a problem. They just kept putting it off for so long that now it would be extremely expensive and time consuming.
@@paulghignon4092 Bringing in new devs won't help with whatever old core code is left behind. The way these games work as they are right now, implementing changes might cause problems in other areas of the code. This is further compounded by previous devs not leaving enough documentation and what you're left with is something that would be easier fixed by a remake instead of editing.
remember when they said that there was no soft cap on legendary drops, only for them to remove the cap in a later patch
What about removing the valor point season cap so people who upgraded don’t get punished for the entire season when they find a better piece of gear?
How about separating the currency from seasons. How about removing top .001% player gameplay from the core game, like they did with tournament servers. There's no reason for MDI to be the same system as the one in-game. Devs just fake awe at these players and just wreck the game for everyone else.
In Cata and MOP, Valor Points were consistent throughout each expansion. Another reason Blizz is failing.
How about not making seasonal gear you have to regrind in M+, but using the new points of the season to bring your current gear up to par.
Blizzard: Sorry guys we should've fixed it earlier
Blizzard on the next line: But... We were right for not fixing it earlier
LOL
Man, I really wish Blizzard had some people who play the game tell them something like this was going to happen.
The funniest about it is... if you know you can change later you will take the covenant you WANT instead of the one that ws deemed "Best" for your class by the theorycrafters.
@@christianhagel6835 More even than that. If player power isn't *tied* to the covenant in the first place, you can choose the one that you prefer aesthetically or thematically or storywise. With player power involved, it's not a player choice, it's a fucking math problem. Basically, when player power is involved, there's always a "correct" answer. Without it, it actually *is* meaningful choice, because the *player* is the one making the choice, rather than fucking Simcraft.
Just like every narcissistic person ever: I am soooo sorry (that you weren't strong enough to endure my bullshit without complaining about it)....
It’s amazing anyone believes anything Blizzard says, the brain washing Blizzard has done on its fan boys is fascinating.
Less brainwashing and more persistence to last through the entire ride until the end for bragging rights and most informed perspective.
This time they must. Even they realized it's do or die their last chance. They'd be stupid not to follow trough with this. They are not doing it for us but for themselves. Either that or they can close the doors. Literally they are up to the wall now.
@@abcdc197 I still won’t care. Even if they make every system amazing, they’ve turned the Night Elves into manure for Elune’s sister’s garden, that the benevolent deity didn’t even care enough about to see that they got there. They’ve butchered the lore one time to many. They can “fix” the systems all they want, but the lore is ruined, which means the world is dead.
Guess the generation who grew up with blizzard either has their hopes and dreams crushed while in denial or had been absorbed too much that they no longer handle independence.
their brain washing technique is top notch, the government definitely want to get their hand on it for their military propaganda.
This is just like the time they told everyone that they didn't know what they were asking for when it came to classic wow.
I love how the Skyrim music intensifies x10 the moment Asmongold breaks into a heated rant.
And I'm pretty sure he is timing it well aswell. Happens way to often and he has playlists for each segment of his streams.
Was literally thinking that lol
monkaW Mudcrabs
It makes me want to download it and play again
WoW: Devs clearly don't play the game.
FFXIV: The Director is a 99 percentile Black Mage
Ion is a cutting edge raider, having a director doing high end shit doesn't mean anything. The management is the issue.
@@masteroffmuppets666 cutting edge didn't exist back then.
@@masteroffmuppets666 Ion is a manipulative millionaire who pays for boosts to say he keeps in touch with the community and plays the game
@@masteroffmuppets666 Ion doesn't parse well at all. Not only that, but multiple bosses get nerfed when his guild reach those bosses. It's.. not great.
Ion doesn't play this game he watches it while being carried. Wish they weren't playing the game because they're so busy making it good, but we all know the truth of that they're just too busy molesting women and insulting lifestyle choices in the workplace.
I quit WOW a few years back, one of the best decisions I have ever made. If something stops being enjoyable then just keep the memories and move on. Life is to short to waste on this kind of frustration.
They said the quiet part out loud. The part that ensures that I'll never play this game again:
"season"
Character progression is key to RPGs. Resetting that progression every "season" is antithetical to the genre as a whole.
"seasons" are for skill games like LoL, Rust, StarCraft, DotA, and so on. Games where the progression is in the player
You play these games to develop your skills as a player, not collect gear and progress your character. They are skill progression games, not character progression.
So long as Blizzard keeps this attitude to WoW it's not actually an RPG. They've made the game into an entirely different genre. WoW the MMORPG is dead. The borrowed power systems exist to support the "season".
The e-sport goldrush is what's killing wow. Everyone want's a piece of that pie but MMOs just don't fit for e-sport.
@@piffling2238 Exactly. The good e-sports are all player skill progression, not character progression. You can't have an e-sport where gear, talents, etc are the determining factor. The good e-sports games don't have stuff like that. Everyone goes in with the same configuration so you can focus on the player skill as the deciding factor. That's what makes them sports.
@@Solrac-Siul I don't really care where it came from, to be honest. Fact is, the focus on seasons is killing the game. It's not an RPG anymore.
I think you didn't fully understood the concept of the season. The point of it, is that it's a cycle, like every expansion.
Campaign / Questing / Leveling to max, gearing up (etc etc) repeat when the next expansion starts.
So in a way, no matter how you end an expansion, your "progress" is effectively irrelevant for the mobs in the new expansion.
The cycle of leveling up, gearing up repeats every expansion, thus a "season".
It's a normal thing in every MMO, as there needs to be an obstacle/wall (power of the enemy) that was solved by (power) progression in every expansion.
But I agree that WoW and it's systems don't even try to make the player feel as their previous effort is worth anything.
It can feel depressing and insulting for someone to just step over your hours and hours of grinding (which is by definition repetitive and requires willpower and effort).
@@NoirTenshin I think the exclusive season focus is great, it made it so much easier to leave the game behind with zero feelings of loss, since all my characters eventually felt completely meaningless. It might as well be a beta with regular progress wipes. That’s how playing it felt. I’m grateful to this switch in focus, otherwise I’d still probably be stuck there feeling attached somehow.
"Maybe the next expansion will be good"
- WoW players since Cata
MOP was legit
Legion was great. Unsubbed in BfA, never looked back.
MoP and Legion were the only times since Cata I enjoyed WoW.
amen to that.(MoP was good tho )
Ouch no need to get personal bro
Thanks asmon for saying out loud what most of the comunity that left the game thinks. I agree 100%, blizz needs to change for them to make better games. Praising them for an idea players gave them 1 year ago does not help.
The fact they are just straight out removing Conduit energy tells me a lot of what even they think of their systems
They didn't even try to salvage it or try to change it like nope just take it out... Like wow do you seriously just throw things on the board and hope it sticks?
@@danielburgos3817 To be fair, the people in charge of development now are literally different. J Allen Brack is no longer with the company. There'll probably be more changes to come. Just look at the "Allied Races Unlocked" change. That totally came out of nowhere and has nothing to do with Shadowlands at all, so I'm cautiously optimistic here and hope they keep this kind of attitude going forward and listen to player feedback when it's well-reasoned.
Through alpha and part of beta it wasnt even a thing. It like they threw it in last minute to extend player playtime
@@apocalypseap Ion and Danuser are still on their possitions, we can't be optimistic while they are still there
We've lost half a decade of development to temporary systems lining the bottom of the garbage can. This is why the game feels absolutely anemic compared to FInal Fantasy.
Nothing has been maintained, nothing has been added, nothing has been improved. We have a scaled down version of WoD that they keep putting different hats on.
I'm sorry but FF is as garbage as WoW is if not worse. It's aesthetically unappealing, boring, slow, linear, under-developed, etc etc. The game is not a god given gift to the MMO population, if you even played WoW, you just jumped from one trashcan to another. I'd rather stick to the original one and hope for a fix, because at least that one won't leak garbage once it's band-aided, while FF will never be a good game, no matter what they do, the core of the game is shit.
@@masteroffmuppets666 damn bro, everyone got an oppinion but urs is just wrong and shows uve no idea bout ff14 in comparisom to wow
@@Redagon It's a shit game, it's still got less subs than WoW and literally whoever tried it, out of my MMO friends, including me thinks it's dogass. WoW is bad, but FF is next level garbage.
@YEP You think your game is hot stuff, but it isn't. This isn't copium, there's nothing good about FF that doesn't exist in ESO, GW2, WoW, SWTOR, BDO - in fact, whatever you have, is worse than any of those games.
@YEP Fact you talk like a twitch sperg says a lot about you.
I'm tired of Blizzard "fixing" their shit systems AFTER everyone has already spent their time (and sub) grinding them and expecting us to thank them
C.H.A.O.S.:
Create Hassles And Offer Solutions
New players have not.
I legit love that Asmon uses paint to explain shit.
I work for a large multinational and literally do the same thing when teams/sectors within the business just don't understand wtf is going on.
It works, man.
simplicity has it benefits
Clarification: in Preach's interview with Ion, Ion HIMSELF said they DID have access to a ripcord, but it was a last resort. Ion was actually the first person to use the term ripcord. Ion/Blizzard never claimed there was a technical limitation to their ability in allowing covenant swapping, they just refused to do so because of "meaningful choice."
Crap either way, but worth mentioning. Blizzard didn't lie about this topic, they just made terrible decisions.
This needs more attention. 100%, Ion didn't say they couldn't do it. They simply tried to give excuses by (in different words) saying they narratively dug themselves into a hole, so it wouldn't make sense.
Which is really stupid since the NPCs themselves went out of their way to tell players, in-game via dialogs and cinematics, that players needed to focus their efforts 100%.
All they would've had to do is just remove those dialogs. It never made sense anyway since you're supposed to be the one and only Maw Walker so you can do things that none of the other mortals -- coming in to help the Shadowlands -- would be able to do.
Or they could have simply put, at the end of the 9.0 renown cap, the reward that would let you unlock another covenant, and so as a player, you get to freely swap via completing their entire campaigns, as like a reward.
Makes sense. I don't have a problem with that. It's by design. If anything these changes are the least of most peoples' problems so I don't see it as a huge deal but at least a step in the right direction.
Except Ion did the right thing here. Let the system play out the way a lot of people want it to, then after the content gets run through, THEN you ripcord for the people that didn’t like it that way.
That way ALL of your player base gets covered
I remember the interview where he used the ripcord terminology as a last resort but I thought a blue post came out soon after stating changing the covenant swapping would be a technical challenge, and I think that's what's being referred to in the video.
@@originalggx3021 That could be, 'though I don't remember the blue post you're referring to (not saying it doesn't exist). Asmon, however, does mention the Preach/Ion interview specifically when citing Blizzard's claim on the impossibility of allowing covenant swapping which is incorrect.
For others reading this, I'm not claiming this is a huge deal. I just want to make sure people get the facts straight, as there are plenty of reasons to be annoyed with Blizzard without this mistaken information.
As long as Ion is lead of game design and wow goes for short term profit wow is doomed. What made wow fun was good professions, world pvp and one world experience. Instead they focused endgame raiding mainly, different stand alone zones and store mounts. Also they made wow for everyone (easy), removed extensive talents trees, made it hack and slash and alienated their core audience.
In the begining of the expansion I started as a hunter, and I obviously I picked night fae because its the best one, however I WANTED to play as necrolord, but it was dogshit for hunters. This "choice" that blizzard forced on me made me play through the entire story as a part of a faction I didnt want to play with, I still have no idea what the necrolord story is like, thanks blizz.
That still screams that you did it wrong. You should have picked Necrolord and said to hell with what DPS charts said. THAT is the meaningful choice
My Vulpera Hunter was bastion because he was modeled after Rocket Racoon and they had AnimaTech robots and robot cats.
My Nelf hunter is an old Aristocratic Big Game Hunter so he became Venthyr. I made fun choices to enjoy a game.
Me with venthyr as a warlock I wanted it so bad but some people will say o just play it anyways don’t realize how much of an impact it makes on gameplay now
@@seanhouser4510 did you say that when you have less dps than the tank in a raid? because right now as a hunter my night fae power does more damage that the rest of my class abalities in pve. And yet is trash in pvp.....
Also what would you say to the people that play things like priest? i always used a "evil" tmog for shadow and a "good" tmog for holy in my alt but i can't choose venthyr for shadow and kyrian for holy ruinning the fantasy completely. And i didn't even level it anyway because the stupid renown system, having to do the shitty and poorly designed SL leveling system and having to do Torghast TWO TIMES every week again with another character...
10/10 game design...
@@rodrigobogado8756 who says you have to do torgast? I haven’t done torgast on any of my alts cause I didn’t want to.
And again why can’t you do venthyr on shadow priest and Kyrian on your holy. You can still fit the aesthetic you want for your toons and the community be damned
@@seanhouser4510 This right here you don't know why ppl don't do that, and that proves you don't know the game/"players" you "speak for" good job outing yourself...
The fact that the patch notes promising better changes makes me feel even more hopeless about the game is truly incredible. I've never seen a company destroy itself quite like this.
This is why you don't fanboy a company.
They should've made you pick one Covenant and then give you the OPTION to play through the campaigns of ANY of the others at will. Giving solo players more content options and everyone else more options for tmog and mounts
Especially considering the Covenants are "united" anyway. They were never antagonistic to begin with.
Just stupid design to limit them at all.
Bastion and the Necrolords were tbh, but it doesn’t change the point
Azerite Armor was horrendous, you couldn't even wear it when you got it, it would sit in your bags until you had enough AP neck level or w/e the hell the gauge was back then. Pepega company doesn't know how to design good games anymore. They design chore frame works with nice art, that's it.
You could wear it, you just could not add all the perks
First it was legendary power in legion, then azerite power in BFA, now it's anima. It's just an added system to farm and waste time on. And then every patch they increase the currency gain to make it seem easier so people would be more okay with it and just keep playing. It's a tactical business model for money and not a "we care about players".
Azerite armor was fun. There were some really cool trait/class/spec combos that really changed how a class was played. I know I’m a broken record but to use frost DK as example I much more preferred the way the triple stacking frost wrymling effect when you used pillar of Ice worked. My personal dps scores and fun in playing was way higher that using the META pick that was 6% more dps on the charts
My son and i laughed when Asmon talked about their cycle….we’ve said this for years !!
So glad Asmon is calling them out for it.
I used to be a community manager myself (not on WoW), and this post is one of those cases when the author had to come up with developer's reasoning rather than admitting the obvious - a case of stubbornness. These posts are easily debunked as demonstrated by Asmon.
Having migrated to FF14, watching WoW in the distant become even worse is like seeing a toxic family member make themselves even worse of a person than when you left them. You wish you could help them, but you know that you'd be hurting yourself if you did that.
See ya in the golden saucer friend racing chocobos, triad, platformers and mini games. Like 1 place in ffxiv has been more entertaining than the last x amount of years playing wow.
I love ff14. I stopped leveling for like a week because that golden saucer is like crack.
Is it wrong to still be enjoying Wow? I still find a lot of fun from playing the game but I know a lot of people are switching to FF14. Imma be honest, I don’t like the way it looks and I think character outfits fit better in wow. May just be me though, feels wrong to be playing at this point but I still love it
@@NotsofatTheGamer do what you like nothing wrong in enjoying a game. I just couldn't stand losing all my progress every expansion and having literally nothing to do between weekly raids. I went and collected pets for a while but that got repetitive and even stuff like the jailer thing locks you out if you do it to much. It's a waiting game and I got tired if waiting and having 1 chance a week to collect mounts, pets and gear. But enjoy wat you like never let bad publicity keep you from doing what you do.
@@williamcardona3415 chocobo breeding got me hard to get a p9 perfect chocobo. Ugh I don't wanna race for a while now.
If players could have freely swapped from the beginning, they would have actually had MORE choice, since most picked the highest DPS covenant for their class and were stuck doing the story for that one.
Well if players made the choose based on highest DPS then they were wrong for doing so
A better idea would've been to not force players into a long-term commitment where they have to choose between either picking a Covenant because they like the fantasy or picking a Covenant because it provides bigger numbers. These things should be mutually exclusive. The fact that the WoW devs are this near-sighted is baffling to me.
@@seanhouser4510 were they ? You could literally not find a single group for m+ if you picked the "wrong convenant", same for raids, you would get excluded from groups because of "underperforming"
Why ? Because the "best" convenant could be a 30-50% increase in numbers over the one you picked as "your choice". Can you blame people for picking the "best" convenant ?
Really ? Are we still defending this s'hit?
@@zumzici1234 yes I am defending it. Because it was never 30-50%. 15-20% yes.
But the point still remains. With the only thing your worried about is DPS numbers then it’s not blizzards fault you choose numbers Vs player agency and story choice.
Yes higher mythic keys groups are assholes.
But repeated mythic dungeons have always been trash in my book.
Tuning is/was the problem. Unpopular opinion, but it should be difficult to switch covenants. It's supposed to be a "weighty" decision. Aldor vs Scryer, Frenzy Heart vs Oracles, we've had it before. I rolled goblin, but now I want to be undead, for free... and keep my rocket jump. The system should have just been cosmetic and there wouldn't be this problem. The moment they tied it into player power they messed up. It's impossible to balance them, people will always want the best performing and they'll cry about the hoops they have to jump to get there. How many Night Fae fire mages from CN are playing Venthyr frost now? Just one example. Should have stuck to transmogs and mounts, then it could have been the "weighty", "no-going-back" (without harsh consequences) type of system they advertised.
I love how when Asmon goes aggro, the Skyrim combat theme plays in the background XD
"Some players will never be happy" - which is why FF14 is doing so well, or why OSRS and Path of Exile are doing good for years despite being free to play. Because you cant just make players happy so they keep playing your game for fun, rather than being tied on a job-like leash of dailies and caps and limited content.
While that is true, some players will always complain, but that's a question of proportion, if you feel like your whole community are constantly unhappy no matter what you do maybe you're incompetent. Cause plenty of good games have complaints but don't feel that way about complaints cause they are a small minority, and in a good game offered in more cordial and constructive ways often.
If your playerbase is never happy with what you're doing it's not the fanbase that's the problem.
"Which is why ff14 is doing so well" the dead garbage pvp and the perverted community that only erp with each other makes it seem like a lesser WoW but for weebs.
@@jonton9228 What part of your comment actually contradicts the fact that FF14 Is doing well?
@@jonton9228 copium
Jonton Maybe if you fix this kind of attitude, maybeyou wont get "dogpiled" by the "toxic community" here.
If your comment is "Ya, i dont like ff14 cuz the pvp is bad and i feels like it caters to weebs and isn't as polished as wow", literally no one will have a problem
"Blizzard decides to listen" -Said no one ever.
They've been saying "we hear you" since before the classic announcement. It's just empty PR. You can never believe a word those snakes say. Very sad.
We need to cancel wow
It was never impossible for them to redo the Covenant system. A lot of the scripts ingame are generally done by spells, which are also handled by invisible NPCs, which tend to be tiny infernals or rabbits that you can see when you do .cheat gm on in a handful of private servers that allow GM commands. You don't see these spells because they tend to be invisible, but most of the systems in WoW are essentially ran by spells, which become active based on what dialogue you choose or what button you press, which will have one of these invisible infernals or bunnies cast a spell on you.
With this in mind, Covenants and their limitations and bonuses are literally just a handful of spells casted on you, or buffs. This is how the game scripts all your numbers and transmogs and stuff like that, it's all a number being checked off by a spell. (Kind of an exaggeration there, it's more than just a number being checked off, but it's not far off.) So being able to freely switch Covenant is literally them just taking a few spells away from the invisible bunny and/or infernal.
To give you a frame of how easy this actually is, on GM command private servers, you can literally look up spells and then type .cast spellnumberhere and you'll have whatever active on you. If I wanted to have max blacksmithing for no reason, I would grab one of the blacksmith spells by just typing .cast blacksmith, and if it's the right spell ID, I'll be an expert blacksmith now. If I don't want to be an expert blacksmith, I can .unlearn and shift click the spell icon in my spellbook or .unlearn spellnumberhere and I will no longer be an expert blacksmith.
So to make sense of all of this, freely swapping from one Covenant to another quite simply means that one of the spells casted on your character that kept you bound to only Venthyr stuff is now gone. You no longer have a spell on you that says you can only have Venthyr stuff. It was possible to have this entire time. And I'm willing to bet money that when they were first making the scripts, or spells, for Covenants, all four could be active at once just so that they can test the abilities against a target dummy.
I'm not a crazy C++ wizard or anything, I just remember playing with Artifact abilities and Broken Isles reputations by literally just typing .cast or .learn on random spell IDs. Wake of Ashes, the Retadin ability for Ashbringer, has eight different versions, some clearly being earlier versions of the ability to test visuals, then to test damage and cooldown, and then to test damage and cooldown with visuals and other already existing talents applied. There are a lot of abilities like this. Reputations are the same way, there's a bunch of random spells for a reputation, all made for testing. When Shadowlands hits more private servers in the next few years, I'll happily show how easy it was the whole time to have a character switch Covenants with a single GM command and to show how basic the scripting in these spells are, just to prove that their excuse of "this would break the game" is complete horse shit. These bad programming, women-abusing idiots keep killing our game so that Bobby Kotick can have a big yacht. Fuck these guys.
I quit wow about 10 years ago during cata. Looks like I made the right choice.
Same bro, with cata you saw already the decline of wow. It's pretty sad to see the state of the game so bad for so long
Thinking back, I kind of wish I never started, or at least quit earlier, so many games I missed out on by only playing WoW, even several console gens
@@somegamer4071 you missed out on life too, mastering real skills etc
You missed Legion and MoP PvP. Thats basically all. Think thats ok for 10 years.
But why watch videos like these if you quit years ago?
Asmon, literally keeping MS Paint alive.
true
Him and xqc haha
Also LlamaSC
lmao
I love how Asmongold is in such disbelief of Blizzard's incompetence that he needs to justify it somehow.
Remember when Ion said "high-end players will complain about covenant swapping even if the covenants are balanced within 0.5% of each other," then like 70% of druids went Night Fae just for convoke even if they didn't want to? Lol
Nanananana gimme convoke xdddd
How deluded are they to think their game is balanced to 0.5% when they nerf stuff by 50-70% left and right way into release 😂 smh
@@farhanelmi9343 Seriously. Oh hey. we dont like how x spec works.
Let's nerf it into oblivion and put it off til next xpack, while being only one hotfix into the current xpack!
:| rip demo
@@fatcatsnuggleparty4272 remember when they removed most fun hunter spec only to replace it with a melee spec that looks like it's not even ready for alpha testing compared to havoc that also came out the same time
@@farhanelmi9343 Or how about buffing things by several hundred %s like Enhanc Shaman at launch
I've been waiting for this. Asmon-wrath is coming down on blizz.
The Burning Wrath of Asmon’s Cruasade ☺️
Blizzard literally lost all their (leftover) integrity with these patchnotes (to me at least). Announcing before Shadowlands that covenants are that sort of super important choice, you can't simply go back and forth from, they wasted development time on things like conduit energy etc (even with feedback given already) and now (basically a year and a half later) they bring all the things, that should have been there from the start.
I probably do some more weeks of my raiding (all I currently do twice a week for 5 hours total anyway) and then i quit for good! - Currently taking a very close look at Guild Wars2 and do enjoy it immensely. Good luck and have fun everyone.
10:35
MoP- artifacts weren't earnable across alts/shared cd from Beta until unlocked at the final cape patch- and the medals you had to farm raids/LFR for weren't increased until the latter half of the said patch OR final cape patch at the end of MoP.
WoD?-ALL gathering/creation were locked to 3 gains per day and creations per day, and not removed until the end of WoD-Ring medal farm was a copy n paste from MoP, and JUST like MoP? not increased until the patch where they gave up on the expansion-JUST like MoP the artifacts gathered on main locked the alts, not fixed until the end of WoD patch.
Legion-creation locked to 5 gains per day and not fixed until 7.1, copy n paste of the artifacts found across the world from main to alts and not fixed until 7.2, legendaries were completely random, and once 1 dropped that was IT until 7.1 2nd and that's it until 7.2 and the vendor that fixed the system and get the one you want wasn't added until 7.3.
THESE issues were not liked, pointed out, and dismissed for 3 expansions! and Before the bullshit copy n pastes of BFA and Shadowlands making it 5! a full decade of this blue post, and Asmon having a parent moment for going on 11 years.
Legion was one of the best expansion in the game but those legendaries are literal cancer of the game. Classes were balanced around a freaking RNG Legendaries to the point some classes wouldn't "work" without certain legendary.
True fact, when the Devs of FF14 release an Ultimate Trial they make sure that the devs themselves can beat the Trial before anything else.
Also they recently had an event where the Dev team had to find all the Blu Mage spells within a limited amount of time so we the players could get so e sweet cosmetics. And for those who do not know in order to get said spells you need to play the Masked Carnival which at this point is about 31 stages and stage 29 is notoriously difficult and beat it.
So yeah FF14 devs actually play the game!!!!
I've heard that sometimes for the WoW raids, they don't nerf anything until Ion's guild starts having issues, which given Ion's stupidity, it's not surprising if it is true
Yeah that's an important point. Mythic raids in WoW are incredibly unforgiving, which makes them more like a tedious task than an enjoyable experience. This is especially for the typical mythic raiding guild. It's literally impossible for the average mythic raiding guild to clear a mythic raid and achieve Cutting Edge, even if they never miss a raid night and work on it until the next patch/raid tier hits. The vast majority of mythic raiding guilds never get close to Cutting Edge. I think that's a huge problem for raiding in WoW to be honest. Your typical mythic raiding guild should be able to clear the raid on mythic in four months on a two-night schedule. That would be so incredibly helpful for the raiding scene and guild health. They need to stop listening to the whining of a few high-end players when it comes to raid tuning. Mythic should be harder than heroic, but no boss should require 200, 250, 300, 350+ wipes. It's absolutely absurd. A mid-tier boss shouldn't require 100+ wipes, either. There have been so many overtuned mythic raid bosses just in the last few years of Legion, BfA, and now Shadowlands. That's another consistent problem. And yes, I myself am a Cutting Edge raider who progs through the content. I like the challenge and the teamwork, but I some of this crap is just ridiculous.
I will never play another Blizzard game. Never felt like my time was more disrespected than while playing modern WoW. The holier-than-thou attitude, condescension, and REPEATEDLY poorly implemented systems made me feel like a cow getting milked for $$$. I made it back shorting your stock though. Thanks.
Basically they had to push the "QoL changes that everyone asked that we only implement in the x.3 patch" much sooner than they expected.
10.0 needs to be the people of azeroth expansion bellular always talks about. No main villains. No awful storyline about some 5head antihero. Just an entire expansion where the people of azeroth (us) get what we want. Dead mines 3.0 is the final raid for all I care.
and some love to guilds, tired of only just having a tabard and flag for guild idenity
@@justan324 heard that.
Omg dead mines 3.0 yes !
Player housing please
Hell yea, wow korean edition. Just grinding
Asmons rage gets me fully tourqued, running around sporting mad wood.
It's always about money, the longer you grind the longer you sub even with all the systems that are not very welcome by most of the players. Then all of the sudden, Blizz comes with a solution to fix those systems. In other words, Blizz creates the problem, stall for 6 months (More subs for grinding purposes) then when subs drop they fix the problem and take credit for it. And it's working like all other expansions.
@@cattysplat yeah on BFA asmon get himself a girlfriend, on Shadowlands asmon play FFXIV. asmon could probably quit playing on next expansion if they kept this up
Its not a problem of grinding per se, its a problem of _what_ and _how_ you're grinding and what rewards you get for the grind.
Go to Korthia. What do you get? Some upgrades for domination shards. OK that's great for raiders but useless for anyone else. Oh and some regular sockets. I mean that's nice but _months_ worth of grinding for +16 of a secondary stat? Hm.
And they did it as dailies. No 3-day-buffer like you get with WQs. So if you're serious about getting those rewards you have to find 30-60 minutes _every single day._ You can't just wait until the weekend when you have 3 hours to burn and do it all at once. That really sucks for anyone who has responsibilities outside of the game.
Personally what I would love to see something like consumables that are only available as simple gold sinks (well perhaps some new currency.. tokens have broken the gold market). I don't mean 5 million gold mounts but smaller, more attainable things including things like raid flasks/pots/whatever and then _provide multiple ways to get decent amounts of gold._ Right now there is only two real ways to get gold - buy it (tokens) or be a master of the AH. They keep nerfing gold generation facilities like old dungeons and the garrison (ok that one probably needed it - 5k gold per character for clicking "go on this mission" is maybe a little _too_ low in the difficulty department!).
Give some currency that can be farmed through old dungeons/raids, pvp, pet battles, raiding itself, dailies, wqs, everything - a shared currency used to purchase things that will be consistently necessary (or at least consistently useful) but cheap enough that people will be willing to spend that currency on it even in the face of potential "large" purchases like pets or mounts. Ideally a currency that can be controlled sufficiently well that it can be carried over from xpac to xpac and if some keeners decide to spend the last 2 months of one xpac farming enough to get the "big" prize mount or mog set or whatever on the first day of the new xpac then power to them. If someone wants to spend 2 weeks farming enough to afford their augment runes for the rest of the xpac then power to them. And make them sellable on the AH so the people who just want to sacrifice a token to get their augment runes for the xpac can do that as well, and the people who prefer farming can do the work to actually collect them.
Pet charms _kind of_ work like that, but of course they're restricted to just battle pet stuff and they already did one round of currency swapping and its not tradeable in any fashion, but its at least in the right direction. I would love to see something like that (but better) applied to the wider game.
Basically, let me farm when and how _I_ want to farm. Don't _force_ me farm in the worst way possible just to "maximize dps" by some trivial amount.
And then there's Torghast. I love the idea of Torghast. I even kind of like the implementation. But I don't like to feel _forced_ to run it, on the maximum difficulty (which is still excessively challenging in around 50/50 heroic/mythic gear), twice a week (two wings) in order to get my legendaries as fast as possible and then never have any reason to run it again once I've filled out the set. Completely strips the fun out of it when its fresh and leaves no reason for me to ever want to go back once I'm done with "choreghast".
Things like Torghast would better serve the game if they were built so that the power-generating mechanics (if Blizz decides they're necessary at all) caps out at the "easy" levels and then save the harder difficulties for long-term farms like pets and mounts - and leave those long-term things forever so that people who like "easy" farms can come back next xpac to fill in the things they missed. Again the idea here is to let people farm at their own discretion, not because they "have to".
M+ (and to a lesser extent PvP) is more difficult to deal with. M+ and PvP are immediately grindable on patch opening, allowing you to get mythic-quality gear (or close to it) while most guilds are still progressing through normal or heroic raiding. That provides a _massive_ incentive for raiding guilds to "require" gearing up through those alternate means weeks or months before a similar-quality gear is available through their preferred mechanism.
They've already tried making PvP gear weaker than raiding gear. PvPers hated that for obvious reasons. They've tried making completely separate PvP gear. Everyone hated that for less-obvious reasons. I can't imagine either of those plans would work better with respect to M+ than they did with PvP. But in the meantime we're in somewhat the opposite position - you can (and therefore "must") perform one or both of these alternative gearing mechanisms if you want to get into raiding at anything higher than the most casual level, even if you have absolutely no interest in them.
I can think of two possibilities, though I have no idea if they'd be good ideas: One idea would be to make all raiding gear (and all the gear alternative method gear) the same item level. Differentiate the higher difficulties by the prestige (titles, achievements, cosmetics) and maybe some raid-specific affixes on weapons or rings or whatever.
My other idea would be kind of the opposite in a way - provide mythic-tier gear at sub-mythic M+ levels. Maybe normal-level gear at M1 (or even M0), heroic-level gear at M5 and mythic-level at M10 (rather than M15). And again titles/achievements/cosmetics for people who want to push harder. Or take a tack like the above and add some M+-specific affixes to otherwise-equivalent gear from higher M+ levels.
I know the "affixes" idea is touching on the same kind of trouble as the old "PvP-specific" gear that failed, but I think being difficulty-specific rather than content-specific might make it work better, especially if the affixes are only a small benefit (maybe 1-2%) that would be important to top-level players but not so much for people who just want the ability to play the parts of the game they want to play without having to spend 6 hours each week sitting in lfg being rejected by pugs for the terrible crime of "not being a healer" and finally get one only to watch the tank bail on the third boss and start the whole process again.
The fact that they have the *audacity* to do this exact same thing that they did in BFA where they introduced a broken system and fixed it more than a year later is insulting….
Everytime I look at my expired sub and I think “maybe I wanna renew my sub and play the game without a care” I can’t help but remember all the times I felt like blizzard spat on our faces.
Meh… someday I’ll come back, just not today.
I lol'ed many times in this video. There are so many good points and it's good to have someone articulately call Blizzard out on each one.
Dude, Asmon SERIOUSLY needs to leave WoW behind, it's not the game he loved so much anymore, it hasn't been for a long time.
I almost wish they forced developers to play and have a optimal item lvl so they know how the game works
As much as I love WoW and especially the cosmetic stuff. This stuff just can't bring me back. I can't keep doing it.
I jumped off this crazy train at Pandaria, unfolded my deck chair, uncorked my kungalush and watched a marvelous train wreck and I've never felt more vindication than I do now.
Pandaria was incredibly fun tho.
Can't say the same after that because i just quit 2 weeks into WoD
Well the sadly you have missed many years of fun and good content. Instead you fed into the steamer bullshite
@@seanhouser4510 or you could simply be presuming things and not realise that I just simply saw the way the winds were blowing and jumped ship before i wasted any more of my time, money or effort on a lost cause.
Blizzard makes systems then they try and write story around it rather then making story and then writing systems around it. It explains how illogical their choices are from a story perspective (and why the story isn't good) since its not for the story but to keep their (in their minds) an "Amazing system players are just too stupid to realize how great it is". I had 0 attachment to the covenant since I had no choice in what I picked, and because of the covenents how they are I only get a fragmented slice of the over-all story, making an already weak story that much worst. All for the sake of upholding their bad systems.
@@juz882010 Its just based on the soulbinds. The person you are binding to for some reason has blanks that you fill with the conduits. Don't ask questions alright that's just how conduits work, they are only going to half ass put in work at why things are and conduits are a step too far to bother explaining.
Next thing you will start asking why a tentacle ridden Old God is carring around equipment and where it comes from. They only have so much time half assing the story together to maybe give a few items some significance or a reason being on something!
It's so sad to see him break down like he did here. You can really see how much he still loves WoW, but you also see how torn apart he is about the state of the game. All he wants is for WoW to be good once more.
Tbh the blue post is simply their attempt at damage control. The reality of the situation is, they thought they could make the game good and it turned out to be trash. It's not like they can say in a blue post "yeah, we changing this cos we fucked up in the first place, but still thanks for a year worth of sub for a broken product". FF14 hit them hard recently, now they're scared about New World coming out. What they're actually gonna do is release this patch around that time, and hope to generate enough hype to weather the storm. We'll see, i guess.
This is textbook insanity:
Repeating a pattern over and over, while expecting a different result.
I find it hard to believe that Blizzard wasn't actively designing these flawed systems to prolong engagement with less content.
They're for profit, not for fun.
I remember Ion saying in some interview that there was a ripcord, and that they could pull it at any time, but that they would do their best not to.
“It’s not a steak dude. They’re just keeping you BARELY ALIVE”
FUNNIEST PART
@@cattysplat they even auto renewed my sub (even if I cancelled it already). Lmao. Had to file a complaint.. screw em.
Now imagine you had all of the covenant powers at once but they share cooldown instead of only having access to one at a time. Makes it far more dynamic for a lot of classes if they could choose which one to use when in dungeons but at the restriction that all abilities went on CD in accordance of the CD being used.
No. That is just terrible design through a role playing lens.
@@seanhouser4510 role playing? did you even paid attention to the Shadowlands story?
@@rodrigobogado8756 yes i did. And for the most part the story has been good. Yea it’s true the jailor is a big Thanos reference, but WoW has reused bad guy tropes for a long time. The Sylvanus possible redemption Arc makes sense.
Especially in how they foreshadowed it when they showed how Uthers soul was ripped in half, making him fall to vengeance and cast Arthas into the Maw, which would completely go against his beliefs. People complain about her saying “ I will never serve” and yet again it makes sense. I her mind she had an agenda that for a time ran parallel to the jailors plan. The first doubt came when she saw him abandon Denathrius. The second came when she saw the domination of Anduin. The last straw came when he basically through even their bargains out the window and claimed everyone would serve. At that moment is when she figured out his true plans.Then add in her now completed soul.
@@seanhouser4510 Uh no. It would work very well. The mawwalker encounters all the covenants and learns from each of them therefore learning new skills.
@@seanhouser4510 Copium much?
Blizzard: "When it comes to the limitations on Covenant-switching, millions of players experienced Shadowlands for the first time through the lens of their Covenant of choice, and that would have not been possible had the choice carried less weight from the outset."
Translation: "If we didn't lock characters to their covenants, players wouldn't have wanted to play through the story."
"You think you do, but you don't"
This comment is targeted at people who still pay the mothly fee:
Thank you for beta testing this expansion guys, keep up the good pay, let us know when it's good to go :)
Someone is butthurt.
I literally dont understand people that kept playing wow past wotlk
@@noobhealz402 those who pay monthly, yes lol
@@janakipejov3667 there were fun expansions past wotlk.
QA testers that pay the company for their work.
I'm just tired of being their paying tester for 70% of expansion to enjoy the remaining 30%. I'm tired of each update being afraid being scared that they might make my faivourat class becoming useless compared to others. I'm tired of uselessb boring grind. I'm tired of seeing bots all over the map farming and destroying the economy. Tierd of the them changing all classes each expansion, why change a class that every one loved at the start of next expansion. Tired of all the borrowed powers. Tired of new zones each expansion while the rest of the world is empty.
then why not quit following the game and go play something else?
@@sirinstinct4326 it is possible to quit something AND not like it and want it to be better.
@@Jethorus or you don't have mind about it and move on instead of poisoning yourself with the news and seeing that it won't get it better or not, I'm the kind of guy that takes breaks from the game and move on for a few months then come back to the game and find it with a couple changes and I either don't like them or I'm happy with them or just accept it the way it is and play it with my own enjoyment and interest and it's just annoying seeing others whine about it when they can move on a bit from the game instead of waiting around and twirling their thumbs
@@sirinstinct4326 it begs the question, why are you here? And furthermore why are you commenting?
@@Jethorus because we loved this game. I personally played it for years. And even if it is in this bad state, I still hope they would fix it. So I follow the news. But when they come up with same lame excuse they give us each expansion instead of doing something meaningful, like we don't know their tricks after all this time, it annoys and disappoints me. Yeah I am playing other games, I stopped playing WOW two months in SL, but still hope to return to WOW and play with my friends I made in the game. I still check my faivourat class and spec to see if they fixed it.
I feel like for a long time the most common phrase to say when it comes to WoW Blizzard is "This is the way the game should have been on release." once they finally fix something lol.
Nobody is talking about how the squish on stats just kills their old expansions and any love of leveling experience. I see 0 videos of retail wow leveling and how fun it is… because it isnt
You sit on a robot and 1 shot mobs for levels. Why wouldn't you?
because they want people to buy the boost.
Better leveling experience than the cutscene simulator that is ff14 🤔
@@jonton9228 copium x 2
I was excited to play through the old content, clicked "Cata" to go see those old maps again... makes me level old Azeroth to 40 before I can go into Cata for 40-50 then wants me to go to SL. Well, maybe old Azeroth is fun, I'm enjoying Classic, let's see the difference. *heads to badlands where I was on this alt before the squish* Nope. Not fun at all. I got three levels in about 5 quests and was like why bother? I'm not going to get to see most of the content as fast as they're throwing XP and blue quest rewards at me. I'm DELETING mobs in one-shot. It's not a game, it's just... motions. Game implies challenge and fun. This was neither. *deletes retail from computer and gains 80GB of free space*