This channel is the greatest gem I found on youtube so far. Don't think I will find anything like it soon. Robert's way of questioning things, evaluating possibilities and calmly gathering knowlede by sharpening his intellect and setting foot on all kinds of paths WILL get him closer to truth.
This is the second time I have listened to this episode. I appreciate the depth and breadth of Kuhn's questions and love his summation in the last minutes of the show...questions about the nature of truth. Thanks for exploring truth with all of your guests. It has expanded my questions and solidified my own questions/thoughts/experiences in search of truth.
There is no truth from science until there is proof of it by experiment. Apparently, this fact about science is what inclined a hero of science, Richard Feynman to say, 'the only truths we know come from our experiences.' Having lots of similar experiences or doing lots of experiments based upon a theory gets us closer to truth. This program heading towards its 2000th episode is for me, proof that Dr Feynman was so on the ball. Thank you so much, Robert Lawrence Kuhn.
Ever since I was introduced to this program on "you tube" it's diversity has captivated my thoughts. I've sat & revisited several episodes and am fascinated by the critical thinking it continues to awaken. I remain in your debt.Thank you Dr. Kuhn.
I really appreciate and enjoy these videos. I have been a seeker of Truth my whole life. I am unconvinced that Truth can be found. I have well under 20 years left on my docket and no hope of finding Truth. At this point in my life, all I can hope is that reincarnation is not real. I never want to come back to this morass of suffering.
I’ll be surprised if any of us make it another 20 years, as a species we have generational PTSD and quite literally brain damage, we have poisoned and polluted the very habitat we rely on for our survival, there are toxic pharmaceuticals in our drinking water (those of our species lucky enough to have drinkable water available) That being said, I love this series, another good one I’ve found are talks with Thich Nhat Hanh on the Plum Village channel, it’s not for everyone. Peace
I really liked the exchange between Kuhn and Tallis when discussing Relativism. I'd like to see a full video of them debating that. The John Hawthorne conversation was tough to view.
18:44 That's at John's! Great episode as always; I did not expect that so many philosophers would be reductionist about truth given that philosophy is love of wisdom, i.e. some kind of truth. Having a variety of opposing theories about truth does make one feel as if getting a grip on the notion though I must wonder - does it really bring us closer or is it merely a mechanism by means of which we suppress our dread? Anyhow, I do hope to run into you in Oxford next year. Thanks for making sure these episodes are so accessible!
What a treat ! One can never finish learning and expanding on knowledge.What a great period to live despite all our human short comings.We must continue with the search and look closer to Truth.I am totally hooked and inspired by this channel . Greetings from Zūrich, Switzerland
I disagree with Shermer. Natural selection selects for those that assume the rustling in the grass is a predator not because that is the assumption that is "right" more often, but because that is the assumption that increases the likelihood of survival. The rustling in the grass is probably only a real threat to survival a relatively low percentage of the time. Most of the time it really is just going to be the wind or a non-predatory animal or something else that's not a threat. Those that assume the rustling isn't a threat would be "right" a higher percentage of the time, but they would die out much more quickly than those that assume the opposite. So no, natural selection does not favor "seeing reality as it is".
Great point and I’m glad to see it in the comments. In fact Shermer has it exactly wrong. Evolution selects for a dumbed down experience of reality, optimizing for the simplest(low calorie) but effective model. If you’re interested in more on this, check out Don Hoffman.
IemonandIime Yes.. I agree! His argument might be for why we might have a bias towards anthropomorphism (eg. gods, animism etc.) but not at all for realism! There’s a paper by Sharon Street which uses the same argument as Shermer for why realism is INCOMPATIBLE with Evolutionary theory ie. that we are biased towards survival - not truth! fewd.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/inst_ethik_wiss_dialog/Street__Sharon_2006._A_Darwinian_Dilemma_for_Realist_Theories_of_Value..pdf
STAR0SS Of course, but the point remains. Given imperfect knowledge, over reacting is more survivable than under reacting. There definitely must be some overlap between our perceptions and reality but there is no reason to believe our senses and sense making capacities are reliable in this domain, in fact the logic points in the exact opposite direction.
@@Jemoh66 Maybe right now we can't pin down what truth is but, I clearly think, as we get older and these questions occupy our minds ( and we approach death ), we do get "closer to truth."
truth is an illusion invented by the I, the me, the self, the so-called True or Higher Self, which has been put together by the past conditioning of the brain. truth is your truth. The complete and utter end of the I, the me, the self, the so-called True or Higher Self, which is an illusion invented by the past conditioning of the brain, is the beginning of Truth for the very first time, in each and every moment of daily life. There is no my Truth or your Truth. Truth belongs to No One. Truth is an energy beyond matter, but can act upon matter. Only this energy can bring Order to thought, which is a materialistic process of the brain.
Total Enlightenment is actually being Totally Free of fear, anxiety, suffering, confusion, alienation, addictions, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, anger, hatred, violence, bias, and prejudice in daily life, once and for all, now forever. Totally Free of beliefs, philosophies, ideologies, theories, opinions, perspectives, biases, prejudices, nationality, and identifications, which limit, color, shape & distort Perception, and therefore, prevent Lucidity. Totally Free of the I, the me, the self, the observer, the chooser, the experiencer, the interpreter, and the so-called True or Higher Self, which is the invention of the past conditioning of the brain, which acts like an inner tyrant who tells you what to think, how to feel, and what to do. They who are Totally Enlightened actually treat everyone, without exception, with the same intensity and quality of care and affection that they would give their dearest closest friend, lover, or child, without any sense of division, separation or distance in daily life, once and for all, now forever. Total Enlightenment is actually Living Love, Peace, Joy, Truth, Creativity, Compassion (Passion for All). Communicating, Communing, Connecting with everyone and everything, in each and every moment of daily life.
Enlightenment does not take time. It is not of time. It is not the result of time or the things of time. It is not the result of any method, ritual, or diet. It is not the result of any chemical. It is not the result of any process. There is no path to it. It happens effortlessly and choicelessly...faster than the speed of light. Moreover, it is once and for all, now and forever.
This episode was a perfect opportunity to discuss Heidegger's existential analysis of truth as unconcealment! I wish the episode focused more on continental philosophers' perspectives of truth, but this video was nice nevertheless. An amazing essay of Heidegger's views of truth as unconcealment is in Oxford University's Professor Mark Wrathall's 2010 book, Heidegger and Unconcealment. There is more to truth than coherence and correspondence. There are cases where we use the term truth to describe something as it really is in its essence. For instance, a "true friend." Heidegger's account of truth as unconcealment encompasses all these different perspectives in an incredibly insightful way.
There is one ultimate Truth. Science, philosophy and religion are human efforts to look at it. But, they are not able to comprehend or describe it as "he" is beyond every notion. But our efforts need to continue as we get at least closer to Truth.
Read the first 18 verses of John's gospel for an amplified version of what Jesus was referencing with his brief exchange with Pilate. This meaning was entirely skirted by those in the video, because substance is never the object of Robert's "search". Men, staggering about under the influence of their hatred for authority and judgment, are in an insensible stupor. Just like Pilate, they're not likely to see the Glory Train before it runs them down.What a royal headache that will be.
What really starts to trip me up is that external things don’t sound, look or feel like anything because those sensations only exist within myself. We’re very alone inside this mind of ours.
Hey BC... I like your statement. To get to those "higher states" should we be seeking answers like Mr. Kuhn. Many people don't care to ask questions as Mr. Kuhn does.
I like your statement too. I know only way to higher states of consciousness is in and through Jesus Christ our Lord. " Unless the Lord builds the house (brain, conscience) they labor in vain those who built it
what we talk about when we talk about truth. There are a couple different types of truth. Mathematical truth (non-contradictory axiomatic systems) Correspondence theory of truth (ie: does this statement match reality) Etc... The important thing here that nobody talks about is: what is knowledge? My theory of knowledge is: in order for us to build a model of reality... every single idea is defined by what category we assign it to. We build in our minds a hierarchy of categories. When we learn, we are modifying the informational content of that hierarchy of categories. Knowledge therefore, is the shape of that logical hierarchy of categories. As long as you periodically sift through your logical category hierarchy, searching for contradictions and modifying the structure of the categories... You will be getting.. closer to truth.
I've had many religious experiences. I sought them for years as a means to reach God, as I had been taught to do as a Pentecostal Fundamentalist Evangelical Born-again Christian.
@@mikebell4649 you should stop praying to other people for some of their God. It's never worked that way. What you want to do is make everybody believe according to your lack of experience because you think everyone must lack experience the same as you. We don't.
truth is subjective its like looking in an art work, its always within our own interpretation and it has nothing to do whether it is right or wrong ,it is the way we perceive ,understand and accept at a certain degree to believe
That’s a definition of subjective truth you’ve provided. Now tell me, when a rapist rapes a little girl and subjectively he finds nothing wrong with it, why do we put them in jail or kill them if they’re just living their truth?
I think the more important question is to what purpose? Knowing absolute truth would do what? Inform your decisions? Allow you superior health? Wealth? The capability, and consequent satisfaction, of resolving outstanding questions in science and mathematics? All these things require a profound understanding, an expertise, not a pristine clarity of certainty. That very concept is chimerical, except as it relates to knowledge.
"To be uncertain is uncomfortable but to be certain is rediculous" I have an easier time believing this that in the concept of truth. I just dont think we can know anything for sure.
Great series. Kuhn, your question at minute 10:00: aren't you speaking of skepticism (don't or can't know) instead of relativism (know and it's just my perspective or group's)?
Dude wtf I came to university to learn. They gave me a homework whether if there is an absolute or relative truth and now my existential dread and crisis has worsened
Denis Diderot sums up confirmation bias pretty well: “We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter.”
Food for Thought 👍👍 But, questions can never end... a) If You find the most/last fundamental particle... the very next question will be..."From where this last fundamental particle came?" b) If You find God... the very next question will be..."From where God came?" c) If You say this last fundamental particle/God existed always.... the next questions will be... "Who/Which rule decided that the God is to be good/powerful/one etc. (Why not many Gods/less powerful God/evil God)" "Which rule decided that the last fundamental particle will have these properties only, which it will possess...why not some different properties?" "How can an immaterial God make something material? What is the process behind this conversion?" What is the energy source of an immaterial thing by which it can sustain? etc. etc. Therefore in spirituality/Yoga they say that we should focus on achieving Supreme Happiness (Happiness/Bliss that never goes away). Even if we find everything in the universe, ultimately we will achieve satisfaction/happiness. So, they say don't give much importance to knowledge (because questions can never end)...but give importance to the path which leads you to a state of default/supreme happiness, which once achieved never ever goes away.. God is nothing but this state. Once we achieve this state, they say, we are no different from God...then, we become God.
Truth is whatYOU find it. Indians used to think wisdom is an elephant among the blind. All the blind will have to touch the elephant to find out what is.
Under the opinion that facts can, may, and do change, then beneath the reasoning of mathematics, 1 + 1 = 2 demonstrates the existence of absolute truth. So, under this premise, one can say facts change and truth is constant.
@Bombay Boy Certainly not! Kṛṣṇa means Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Allah is a vague misconception of God, and Jesus does not qualify at all. For example, the Personality of Godhead does not suffer, whereas Jesus is famous for suffering. The absolute is not different from His real names. The meanings of Sanskrit words are definite, based on the rules of grammar applied in context. Sanskrit is perfectly crafted, not a mundane language like English. Kṛṣṇa means full of truth and bliss, all-attractive, and having a gorgeous blackish form.
@Bombay Boy The religions of meat eaters are demoniac. Do you think people who eat cows are following a true religion? Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu said cow-killers rot in hellish life for as many thousands of years as there are hairs on the body of the cow. ( vedabase.io/en/library/cc/adi/17/166/ ) I don't believe it is actually kind to people to pretend their nonsense beliefs are religious. Before I learned anything about Kṛṣṇa, I was a university student majoring in Environmental Studies and learned meat production takes between ten and a hundred times the amount of resources used for growing vegetarian foods. Since people typically get about 20% of calories from meat, I knew vegetarian diets can feed twice as many people. Now that the human population quadrupled in the past century, the Earth's climate stability is being dangerously disrupted by human behavior, and people's addiction to meat is arguably driving it. Now that the routinely brutal treatment of animals is threatening to end the world, my patience for meat eaters claiming to be religious is over. I have more respect for the animals they consume.
@Bombay Boy My impression is regular people who routinely eat meat care about people and pets, but they ignore what they are doing to animals raised for food. People do not usually seem at even a little demoniac when I interact with them, and I don't like thinking of people that way. However, politeness is a poor substitute for moral integrity. The world has become like hell for most animals because the predominant religions incoherently allege animals have no soul. Now the ugra-karma from this abuse is threatening to consume the world. Even COVID-19 is reportedly brought to humans by people's meat consumption. I just really think it's past time for the religions of meat eaters to admit they were wrong, and I'm saying it since they won't.
Don't know where I read this: Disciple: "O Master, what is the Truth behind this world and how can I know it?". Master: "My dear, YOU are the Truth that you seek. Since you are already you, there is no knowing."
_There is only one _*_lying being_*_ in the world, and it is man. _*_Every other being_*_ is _*_true_*_ and _*_sincere_*_ presenting itself _*_truthfully, exactly as what it is_*_ , and expresses itself _*_openly, and exactly how it feels_* Schopenhauer
Well I’m afraid that not only am I not closer to truth but infinitely further away, as “ truth” itself is in question. ( is there after all any such thing as truth)😢 Makes me wonder how “ closer to truth” means anything at all. If there is not truth, then there is only madness .
Everybody tells Robert that TRUTH is totally dependant on the observer and its interpretation, but he keeps on questioning. His truth will always be one of doubt and thanks to that this channel exists. There is one thing he hasn't tied up. The personal interpretation of truth is totally coherent with quantum fisics, the observer changes the observed.
It is true that A equals A. It is true that it is true that A equals A. It is true that it is true that it is true that A equals A. Now we are getting somewhere !
The absolute Truth is: no discrepancy between the reality itself and our picture of the reality. We differ in our beliefs and opinions which means some of us are closer to the Truth then others. Since the reality is to complex to get a ful knowledge about it during one's life span, probably noone can ever know the ultimate Truth. On the other hand, it's not so terribly difficult to come quite close to the truth about some important fragments of the reality. The reason why so many people fail is, they are not really interested in finding the objective truth, because it always goes along with sacrifices. They search for and accept the Truth only to the point when they stil don't need to sacrifice anything - like almost all of the scientists interviewed in this video. One simple example: in discussions one is concentrating rather on defending one's own position then on analysing the position of the counterpart. (Indeed, there is not enough time for the analysis therefore a discussion is never a good way of searching for the Truth). Even when it's obvious then the conterpart is right one tries to make the own "defeat" less bitter through some linguistic tactics which all together bring us farther back from knowing the Truth. The first thing which has to be sacrificed in discussions is one's own pride.
Ultimate Truth is a Person. In Him All things come together. He said: I am the Way, Truth and Life. Un changeable and highest of all. Jesus Christ is Truth !!!
Is anything in nature false? No. True and false concepts are indigenous to the mind; the mind is a pattern recognition system. Logic is a pattern of human thought.
I agree. Impossible things cannot exist and we don't see them in nature. Only things that are possible exist. And anything true is also possible and if it collapses into 4 dimensional reality it is true. But in the metaphysical world impossibility exists and something possible can also be false. Although personally I think mind is separate from brain. Mind is the only thing that can be false and think of impossible things, and that doesn't seem natural when everything else in the universe dare I say "behaves" logically, and is inherently true.
If you lose something here and then look for it somewhere else for the rest of your life, you can never find it. Truth is to be found in Faith which human being didn’t discover or invent but rather Faith was revealed to them through many Messengers of God. Theory of Revelation is beyond human reason and understanding; it has to be grasped through Faith only. Any philosophical questioning can't solve the riddle of this because Almighty Himself kept it aloof from human reach. If it could be proven so vividly, then there would be no athiests and no test of Faith as such. Faith is a choice. You choose it and you're saved. You reject it and you're damned to suffer and look for answers forever on a lonely desert. But I highly appreciate the sincerity of you quest, Mr Kuhn. Hope, God may guide you to Truth.
John Hicks is compelling: the ultimate truth is not rational. But it's not irrational either. It's a unique understanding of reality, not just a rational one but a deeply intuitive and bewildering one. The Tao Te Ching tries to bring it to us in an intuitive manner, Sufism also but in a passionate way and Jesus tried it in a loving way. The ultimate truth is an ultimate mystery occasionally perceived by some of us.
In regards to religions there are too many unanswered questions in which you were taught to have faith, Faith in what you are taught and told. When you are a faithful person you can tend to believe anything.
17:10 even in the good case your irrational. The beetle in the box. God is like a beetle in the box. Even if he’s there it’s irrational to believe in him ❤
Better then fiction, Unvarnished,Opposing of the lie, the misinformation, the enigma in the haystack of falsehoods and Rumor...The path least traveled by humanity when pressed for it....Trueth.
Jesus is the Answer for many of Kuhn's questions; but it seems that because of Kuhn's trust in metaphysical naturalism, Jesus will probably never be a candidate. John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" Col 1:16 "For in Jesus all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him."
Truth is only something that has been pre agreed upon, that when you encounter a certain experience no matter what that experience might be, is what and how that experience will be compared to in order to confirm what it is you are experiencing is. Truth in no way has anything to do with what something actually is. An example would be that when you come to a traffic light you need to stop based on a pre existing agreement that has been made that it is a safe thing to do and that that guaranteed you that you won't get into an accident. That would be considered a truth, but in no way does it mean that if you don't stop that that would guarantee you that you will get into an accident. The truth has now in a way become an untruth with respect to itself as far as what is really is. It is true that green is green only if everyone agrees that this is the case. It's no longer true that green is green if I say green is not green. Now whether or not green is green depends on what actually green is and not on what we agree it is. Our perception of things do not make them what they actually are. What they are is really independent of what we say or think they are. So REAL truth is something we probably cannot know. What this makes me think about is that the more we think we know, the less we actually do know. It may very well be that our senses actually filter out what real truth is, and present us with an illusionary truth of what things it wants us to believe are true.
(FACTS OVA FEELINGS). Wee have a Conditional Relationship with the Truth. Wee Only want Truth if it Makes Us Feel Moor Stable. ......... Wee Only want Truth if it Makes Us Feel Moor in Control. ....... Wee Only want Truth if it Makes Us Feel Good and this Conditional Relationship that wee have with the Truth will be hOUR DOWNFALL
Please look into the work of Bruce Lipton And Gregg Brayden would love to see interviews with them and your perspective in knowledge questioning everything ???
This channel is the greatest gem I found on youtube so far. Don't think I will find anything like it soon. Robert's way of questioning things, evaluating possibilities and calmly gathering knowlede by sharpening his intellect and setting foot on all kinds of paths WILL get him closer to truth.
Yuck!
Try actualized.org next
@@InnerLuminosity Get Lost!!!
@@GeoCoppens I love you ! ❤❤
If you want a deep dive check out, theory's of everything with curt jaimungal
When Robert finally finds it, he's gonna ascend into the ethereal dimension lol. I hope he comes back to tell us about it.
LOL
well thats true..
Can i laugh now.
We'll worship him when that happens
@Bombay Boy
Or selling holy water he got from the kitchen.
This is the second time I have listened to this episode. I appreciate the depth and breadth of Kuhn's questions and love his summation in the last minutes of the show...questions about the nature of truth. Thanks for exploring truth with all of your guests. It has expanded my questions and solidified my own questions/thoughts/experiences in search of truth.
There is no truth from science until there is proof of it by experiment. Apparently, this fact about science is what inclined a hero of science, Richard Feynman to say, 'the only truths we know come from our experiences.' Having lots of similar experiences or doing lots of experiments based upon a theory gets us closer to truth. This program heading towards its 2000th episode is for me, proof that Dr Feynman was so on the ball. Thank you so much, Robert Lawrence Kuhn.
Ever since I was introduced to this program on "you tube" it's diversity has captivated my thoughts. I've sat & revisited several episodes and am fascinated by the critical thinking it continues to awaken. I remain in your debt.Thank you Dr. Kuhn.
I really appreciate and enjoy these videos. I have been a seeker of Truth my whole life. I am unconvinced that Truth can be found. I have well under 20 years left on my docket and no hope of finding Truth. At this point in my life, all I can hope is that reincarnation is not real. I never want to come back to this morass of suffering.
I’ll be surprised if any of us make it another 20 years, as a species we have generational PTSD and quite literally brain damage, we have poisoned and polluted the very habitat we rely on for our survival, there are toxic pharmaceuticals in our drinking water (those of our species lucky enough to have drinkable water available) That being said, I love this series, another good one I’ve found are talks with Thich Nhat Hanh on the Plum Village channel, it’s not for everyone. Peace
@@greenthumb8266 I agree with you. Never heard of Thich Nhat Hanh, but I will try to look for him. Thanks.
I really liked the exchange between Kuhn and Tallis when discussing Relativism. I'd like to see a full video of them debating that. The John Hawthorne conversation was tough to view.
Why was it thought to view?
18:44 That's at John's! Great episode as always; I did not expect that so many philosophers would be reductionist about truth given that philosophy is love of wisdom, i.e. some kind of truth. Having a variety of opposing theories about truth does make one feel as if getting a grip on the notion though I must wonder - does it really bring us closer or is it merely a mechanism by means of which we suppress our dread? Anyhow, I do hope to run into you in Oxford next year. Thanks for making sure these episodes are so accessible!
This channel has some of the most intriguing videos.
Dr. Kuhn’s 5 Questions about #Truth he presents at the end are a good starting point for anyone wishing to understand this topic more fully.
So glad this show exists, it’s so great! Thank you for making it!
What a treat ! One can never finish learning and expanding on knowledge.What a great period to live despite all our human short comings.We must continue with the search and
look closer to Truth.I am totally hooked and inspired by this channel .
Greetings from Zūrich, Switzerland
"The more one thinks about things, the scarier they are." You can't say it more succinctly than that!
It may get scary as we get closer to the truth
Because You are a part of a natural laws
Nonsense.
I disagree with Shermer. Natural selection selects for those that assume the rustling in the grass is a predator not because that is the assumption that is "right" more often, but because that is the assumption that increases the likelihood of survival. The rustling in the grass is probably only a real threat to survival a relatively low percentage of the time. Most of the time it really is just going to be the wind or a non-predatory animal or something else that's not a threat. Those that assume the rustling isn't a threat would be "right" a higher percentage of the time, but they would die out much more quickly than those that assume the opposite. So no, natural selection does not favor "seeing reality as it is".
Great point and I’m glad to see it in the comments. In fact Shermer has it exactly wrong. Evolution selects for a dumbed down experience of reality, optimizing for the simplest(low calorie) but effective model. If you’re interested in more on this, check out Don Hoffman.
IemonandIime Yes.. I agree! His argument might be for why we might have a bias towards anthropomorphism (eg. gods, animism etc.) but not at all for realism! There’s a paper by Sharon Street which uses the same argument as Shermer for why realism is INCOMPATIBLE with Evolutionary theory ie. that we are biased towards survival - not truth!
fewd.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/inst_ethik_wiss_dialog/Street__Sharon_2006._A_Darwinian_Dilemma_for_Realist_Theories_of_Value..pdf
If you start running like a madman each time you hear wind in the grass, you won't survive long either.
STAR0SS Of course, but the point remains. Given imperfect knowledge, over reacting is more survivable than under reacting. There definitely must be some overlap between our perceptions and reality but there is no reason to believe our senses and sense making capacities are reliable in this domain, in fact the logic points in the exact opposite direction.
The truth right now is that i watched the documentary and i liked it a lot
Hey Jim, I liked this documentary too but, the truth is, I still feel confused.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Don't worry, it's all truely confusing
Liked the conversation with Raymond Tallis! that was a great interview :)
I like Robert Kuhn's final statement in the video: "These questions, even without answers, get us Closer To Truth."
If you can’t pin down what truth is, how can you gage how close you are to it 🤷♂️
Listen to everything only believe a third of it !!!
@@Jemoh66 Maybe right now we can't pin down what truth is but, I clearly think, as we get older and these questions occupy our minds ( and we approach death ), we do get "closer to truth."
@@andrewpelletier8032 In other words, listen to everything with one ear but allow 2/3 to exit the other ear?
Answers must be preceded by questions.
Exceptional channel, thanks for providing all this knowledge in a concise manner.
If there's no such thing as truth, Robert will have to start thinking of a new title for his wonderful program :)
There is truth and then there is Truth.
truth is an illusion invented by the I, the me, the self, the so-called True or Higher Self, which has been put together by the past conditioning of the brain.
truth is your truth.
The complete and utter end of the I, the me, the self, the so-called True or Higher Self, which is an illusion invented by the past conditioning of the brain, is the beginning of Truth for the very first time, in each and every moment of daily life.
There is no my Truth or your Truth. Truth belongs to No One.
Truth is an energy beyond matter, but can act upon matter.
Only this energy can bring Order to thought, which is a materialistic process of the brain.
Total Enlightenment is actually being Totally Free of fear, anxiety, suffering, confusion, alienation, addictions, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, anger, hatred, violence, bias, and prejudice in daily life, once and for all, now forever.
Totally Free of beliefs, philosophies, ideologies, theories, opinions, perspectives, biases, prejudices, nationality, and identifications, which limit, color, shape & distort Perception, and therefore, prevent Lucidity.
Totally Free of the I, the me, the self, the observer, the chooser, the experiencer, the interpreter, and the so-called True or Higher Self, which is the invention of the past conditioning of the brain, which acts like an inner tyrant who tells you what to think, how to feel, and what to do.
They who are Totally Enlightened actually treat everyone, without exception, with the same intensity and quality of care and affection that they would give their dearest closest friend, lover, or child, without any sense of division, separation or distance in daily life, once and for all, now forever.
Total Enlightenment is actually Living Love, Peace, Joy, Truth, Creativity, Compassion (Passion for All). Communicating, Communing, Connecting with everyone and everything, in each and every moment of daily life.
Enlightenment does not take time.
It is not of time.
It is not the result of time or the things of time.
It is not the result of any method, ritual, or diet.
It is not the result of any chemical.
It is not the result of any process.
There is no path to it.
It happens effortlessly and choicelessly...faster than the speed of light. Moreover, it is once and for all, now and forever.
Truth is something that is consistent from multiple observations, something that withstands tests consistently without contradictions
This episode was a perfect opportunity to discuss Heidegger's existential analysis of truth as unconcealment! I wish the episode focused more on continental philosophers' perspectives of truth, but this video was nice nevertheless. An amazing essay of Heidegger's views of truth as unconcealment is in Oxford University's Professor Mark Wrathall's 2010 book, Heidegger and Unconcealment.
There is more to truth than coherence and correspondence. There are cases where we use the term truth to describe something as it really is in its essence. For instance, a "true friend." Heidegger's account of truth as unconcealment encompasses all these different perspectives in an incredibly insightful way.
There is one ultimate Truth. Science, philosophy and religion are human efforts to look at it. But, they are not able to comprehend or describe it as "he" is beyond every notion. But our efforts need to continue as we get at least closer to Truth.
Some people might know the truth, but we should not talk about it because most people can't handle the truth.
Says Jack Nicholson to Tom Cruise.
There is a lot of truth in that truth.
Xspot box: We should not talk about it
me: Please share, Sir.
Usually people with little minds tend to know more stuff because they never thought about them.
Glad he mentioned Pilate, it was the first thing I thought of.
Hey Gregory... I wonder how many of us walk in Pilate's shoes?
Read the first 18 verses of John's gospel for an amplified version of what Jesus was referencing with his brief exchange with Pilate. This meaning was entirely skirted by those in the video, because substance is never the object of Robert's "search". Men, staggering about under the influence of their hatred for authority and judgment, are in an insensible stupor. Just like Pilate, they're not likely to see the Glory Train before it runs them down.What a royal headache that will be.
What really starts to trip me up is that external things don’t sound, look or feel like anything because those sensations only exist within myself. We’re very alone inside this mind of ours.
Truth is what is. Ultimate simplicity and infinite complexity at once. You cannot argue with Truth, and if you try, then that is Truth.
Truth is elevation to higher states of perception and emotion. Which is why what we feel and think is true is totally different from what is true.
Hey BC... I like your statement. To get to those "higher states" should we be seeking answers like Mr. Kuhn. Many people don't care to ask questions as Mr. Kuhn does.
I like your statement too. I know only way to higher states of consciousness is in and through Jesus Christ our Lord. " Unless the Lord builds the house (brain, conscience) they labor in vain those who built it
Amazing content
truth is what you know, and what you know is, what you experience, and what you observe through your own eyes truth or not the truth
what we talk about when we talk about truth.
There are a couple different types of truth.
Mathematical truth (non-contradictory axiomatic systems)
Correspondence theory of truth (ie: does this statement match reality)
Etc...
The important thing here that nobody talks about is: what is knowledge?
My theory of knowledge is: in order for us to build a model of reality... every single idea is defined by what category we assign it to. We build in our minds a hierarchy of categories. When we learn, we are modifying the informational content of that hierarchy of categories. Knowledge therefore, is the shape of that logical hierarchy of categories.
As long as you periodically sift through your logical category hierarchy, searching for contradictions and modifying the structure of the categories... You will be getting.. closer to truth.
Truth is illuminating, but what do we do after knowing the truth is the biggest question.
Then the dancing begins.
@@projectmalus I like your statement. I hope I'll be dancing with my little friend.
I've had many religious experiences. I sought them for years as a means to reach God, as I had been taught to do as a Pentecostal Fundamentalist Evangelical Born-again Christian.
Vaul, Dog Warrior can U demonstrate those experiences to any 1 else
@@mikebell4649 you should stop praying to other people for some of their God. It's never worked that way. What you want to do is make everybody believe according to your lack of experience because you think everyone must lack experience the same as you. We don't.
truth is subjective its like looking in an art work, its always within our own interpretation and it has nothing to do whether it is right or wrong ,it is the way we perceive ,understand and accept at a certain degree to believe
So said Johann Gottfried von Herder!
That’s a definition of subjective truth you’ve provided.
Now tell me, when a rapist rapes a little girl and subjectively he finds nothing wrong with it, why do we put them in jail or kill them if they’re just living their truth?
Ultimate Truth is beyond Objective or Relative Truths.
Inquisitour M29 yeah, probably, I guess.
I think the more important question is to what purpose? Knowing absolute truth would do what? Inform your decisions? Allow you superior health? Wealth? The capability, and consequent satisfaction, of resolving outstanding questions in science and mathematics? All these things require a profound understanding, an expertise, not a pristine clarity of certainty. That very concept is chimerical, except as it relates to knowledge.
Truth is that which is realized to be true.
Ultimate truth shall set you free
One thing I know for sure is truth is not just someone's opinion ,if your opinion is questionable you do not have the truth.
"To be uncertain is uncomfortable but to be certain is rediculous" I have an easier time believing this that in the concept of truth. I just dont think we can know anything for sure.
The truth only exists as a hypothesis.
Truth is more than one level...there are others
Great series. Kuhn, your question at minute 10:00: aren't you speaking of skepticism (don't or can't know) instead of relativism (know and it's just my perspective or group's)?
Dude wtf I came to university to learn. They gave me a homework whether if there is an absolute or relative truth and now my existential dread and crisis has worsened
Denis Diderot
sums up confirmation bias pretty well: “We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter.”
Truth is a serious stuff but also the truth cannot be devided ,, the truth is one and god is the ultimate truth
25:00, exactly, you can’t ask what is truth without knowing the answer first
"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" - Jack Nicholson
The truth I.S., a word, an image of our illusory way of Thinking
Is that... true? 🤔😵🤯
Thank God, I was born to Muslim parent, it is Islam the ultimate truth for Muslims.
I signed up when this was less than 1000 subscribers I'm sure. To see it into the 100 of thousands gives hope to the human race.... well a faint hope.
Food for Thought 👍👍
But, questions can never end...
a) If You find the most/last fundamental particle... the very next question will be..."From where this last fundamental particle came?"
b) If You find God... the very next question will be..."From where God came?"
c) If You say this last fundamental particle/God existed always.... the next questions will be...
"Who/Which rule decided that the God is to be good/powerful/one etc. (Why not many Gods/less powerful God/evil God)"
"Which rule decided that the last fundamental particle will have these properties only, which it will possess...why not some different properties?"
"How can an immaterial God make something material? What is the process behind this conversion?"
What is the energy source of an immaterial thing by which it can sustain?
etc.
etc.
Therefore in spirituality/Yoga they say that we should focus on achieving Supreme Happiness (Happiness/Bliss that never goes away).
Even if we find everything in the universe, ultimately we will achieve satisfaction/happiness.
So, they say don't give much importance to knowledge (because questions can never end)...but give importance to the path which leads you to a state of default/supreme happiness, which once achieved never ever goes away..
God is nothing but this state. Once we achieve this state, they say, we are no different from God...then, we become God.
Truth is whatYOU find it.
Indians used to think wisdom is an elephant among the blind. All the blind will have to touch the elephant to find out what is.
Under the opinion that facts can, may, and do change, then beneath the reasoning of mathematics, 1 + 1 = 2 demonstrates the existence of absolute truth. So, under this premise, one can say facts change and truth is constant.
Consciousness is truth
Kṛṣṇa is the ultimate truth. Every reality depends on Kṛṣṇa.
Paul Howard fake news.
Correct
@Bombay Boy Certainly not! Kṛṣṇa means Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Allah is a vague misconception of God, and Jesus does not qualify at all. For example, the Personality of Godhead does not suffer, whereas Jesus is famous for suffering. The absolute is not different from His real names. The meanings of Sanskrit words are definite, based on the rules of grammar applied in context. Sanskrit is perfectly crafted, not a mundane language like English. Kṛṣṇa means full of truth and bliss, all-attractive, and having a gorgeous blackish form.
@Bombay Boy The religions of meat eaters are demoniac. Do you think people who eat cows are following a true religion? Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu said cow-killers rot in hellish life for as many thousands of years as there are hairs on the body of the cow. ( vedabase.io/en/library/cc/adi/17/166/ ) I don't believe it is actually kind to people to pretend their nonsense beliefs are religious.
Before I learned anything about Kṛṣṇa, I was a university student majoring in Environmental Studies and learned meat production takes between ten and a hundred times the amount of resources used for growing vegetarian foods. Since people typically get about 20% of calories from meat, I knew vegetarian diets can feed twice as many people. Now that the human population quadrupled in the past century, the Earth's climate stability is being dangerously disrupted by human behavior, and people's addiction to meat is arguably driving it. Now that the routinely brutal treatment of animals is threatening to end the world, my patience for meat eaters claiming to be religious is over. I have more respect for the animals they consume.
@Bombay Boy My impression is regular people who routinely eat meat care about people and pets, but they ignore what they are doing to animals raised for food. People do not usually seem at even a little demoniac when I interact with them, and I don't like thinking of people that way. However, politeness is a poor substitute for moral integrity. The world has become like hell for most animals because the predominant religions incoherently allege animals have no soul. Now the ugra-karma from this abuse is threatening to consume the world. Even COVID-19 is reportedly brought to humans by people's meat consumption. I just really think it's past time for the religions of meat eaters to admit they were wrong, and I'm saying it since they won't.
Don't know where I read this: Disciple: "O Master, what is the Truth behind this world and how can I know it?". Master: "My dear, YOU are the Truth that you seek. Since you are already you, there is no knowing."
_There is only one _*_lying being_*_ in the world, and it is man. _*_Every other being_*_ is _*_true_*_ and _*_sincere_*_ presenting itself _*_truthfully, exactly as what it is_*_ , and expresses itself _*_openly, and exactly how it feels_* Schopenhauer
Defining a word. A word we invented. Good luck.
In truth, truth revolves around existence.
Well I’m afraid that not only am I not closer to truth but infinitely further away, as “ truth” itself is in question. ( is there after all any such thing as truth)😢
Makes me wonder how “ closer to truth” means anything at all.
If there is not truth, then there is only madness .
Daaang Ray got him all choked up and started stuttering like he was getting bullied 😂
Hey it’s Pilate’s favorite question. And I made damn sure that that punk washed his hands, to seal his fate.
Truth that which comports with reality. Opinions is another thing
The claim that there is no single overarching truth is itself a single overarching truth, so the claim is self-refuting.
*Truth just makes sense in particular cases he says* @ 5:36. That’s true! In the very particular case when it is not a *LIE*
Truth is that which is. No need to complicate it.
Truth? You cannot have truth. Like Jesus said: I don't have the truth, I am truth!
I love the irony of Michael Shermer sitting next to a couple of issues of Skeptic magazine and to telling us about all the things that brains do.
Everybody tells Robert that TRUTH is totally dependant on the observer and its interpretation, but he keeps on questioning. His truth will always be one of doubt and thanks to that this channel exists. There is one thing he hasn't tied up. The personal interpretation of truth is totally coherent with quantum fisics, the observer changes the observed.
It is true that A equals A.
It is true that it is true that A equals A.
It is true that it is true that it is true that A equals A.
Now we are getting somewhere !
The absolute Truth is: no discrepancy between the reality itself and our picture of the reality. We differ in our beliefs and opinions which means some of us are closer to the Truth then others. Since the reality is to complex to get a ful knowledge about it during one's life span, probably noone can ever know the ultimate Truth. On the other hand, it's not so terribly difficult to come quite close to the truth about some important fragments of the reality. The reason why so many people fail is, they are not really interested in finding the objective truth, because it always goes along with sacrifices. They search for and accept the Truth only to the point when they stil don't need to sacrifice anything - like almost all of the scientists interviewed in this video. One simple example: in discussions one is concentrating rather on defending one's own position then on analysing the position of the counterpart. (Indeed, there is not enough time for the analysis therefore a discussion is never a good way of searching for the Truth). Even when it's obvious then the conterpart is right one tries to make the own "defeat" less bitter through some linguistic tactics which all together bring us farther back from knowing the Truth. The first thing which has to be sacrificed in discussions is one's own pride.
Truth is where you ignore the ego. Truth is sitting there.
Ultimate Truth is a Person. In Him All things come together. He said: I am the Way, Truth and Life. Un changeable and highest of all. Jesus Christ is Truth !!!
Truth is the will of Existance, a meaning.
How do you figure there is even such a thing as "will of Existance"
Is anything in nature false? No.
True and false concepts are indigenous to the mind; the mind is a pattern recognition system.
Logic is a pattern of human thought.
I agree. Impossible things cannot exist and we don't see them in nature. Only things that are possible exist. And anything true is also possible and if it collapses into 4 dimensional reality it is true. But in the metaphysical world impossibility exists and something possible can also be false. Although personally I think mind is separate from brain. Mind is the only thing that can be false and think of impossible things, and that doesn't seem natural when everything else in the universe dare I say "behaves" logically, and is inherently true.
Yes, believing you have agency, a centre, is not a probableistic. ♥️
“Saying of that which is that it is and of that which is not that it is not”. Aristotle
Zagg777 saying that it is hard to say that is
Empty words.
Ferdinand Kraft that is physically unfeasible
Please learn how to use commas .
@@vicredshaw1155 Yes commas would help in that quote but did Aristotle know about and use "commas?"
I wish Rorty was still around, he'd be the one to visit !
The thing is, the only truth that affects the material world should matter to us. Thats why...Science.
Honesty is the ultimate truth.
you may honestly say that you saw two person(although that was illusion)
but then is your saying the Truth ?
Great. More people ought to practice the truth sometimes.
Truth as relative... I like to say truth as RELATIONAL.
“The truth is that which runs after truth.” -Lacan
Robert Lawrence "Si quema o no quema" Kuhn
Truth is when the answer is no longer questionable ,if it is still questionable it then should be a majority vote to get closest to the truth.
If you lose something here and then look for it somewhere else for the rest of your life, you can never find it. Truth is to be found in Faith which human being didn’t discover or invent but rather Faith was revealed to them through many Messengers of God. Theory of Revelation is beyond human reason and understanding; it has to be grasped through Faith only. Any philosophical questioning can't solve the riddle of this because Almighty Himself kept it aloof from human reach. If it could be proven so vividly, then there would be no athiests and no test of Faith as such. Faith is a choice. You choose it and you're saved. You reject it and you're damned to suffer and look for answers forever on a lonely desert. But I highly appreciate the sincerity of you quest, Mr Kuhn. Hope, God may guide you to Truth.
30 minutes to ask 1 simple question and conclude ,we are limited by uncertainty
John Hicks is compelling: the ultimate truth is not rational. But it's not irrational either. It's a unique understanding of reality, not just a rational one but a deeply intuitive and bewildering one.
The Tao Te Ching tries to bring it to us in an intuitive manner, Sufism also but in a passionate way and Jesus tried it in a loving way. The ultimate truth is an ultimate mystery occasionally perceived by some of us.
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And God Said : Let There Be
"LIGHT"
And There Was
"TRUTH"
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In regards to religions there are too many unanswered questions in which you were taught to have faith,
Faith in what you are taught and told. When you are a faithful person you can tend to believe anything.
It is true that my wife lives with me.
This truth is inescapable.
The truth is the congruence of thought with reality, and knowledge of congruence means, the knowledge of the truth.
You could say truth is knowing or realizing that which is true.
@@williamburts5495 Yes 🎉
17:10 even in the good case your irrational. The beetle in the box. God is like a beetle in the box. Even if he’s there it’s irrational to believe in him ❤
Better then fiction, Unvarnished,Opposing of the lie, the misinformation, the enigma in the haystack of falsehoods and Rumor...The path least traveled by humanity when pressed for it....Trueth.
Most people have an opinion on what is true but if your opinion is questionable then you do not have the TRUTH.
Jesus is the Answer for many of Kuhn's questions; but it seems that because of Kuhn's trust in metaphysical naturalism, Jesus will probably never be a candidate.
John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'"
Col 1:16 "For in Jesus all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him."
Why do you trolls come on this channel and post obvious lies like this?
@Torres Dean Nope, I'm not kidding. No Jesus, no Life; know Jesus know Life. No Jesus, no truth; Know Jesus, know Truth.
@@jy1733 All of those things exist just fine before Jesus and long after. Why do you tell these obvious lies?
@@tomjackson7755 Ok. so before the birth of Jesus, you were already here?
@@jy1733 What birth of Jesus? Were you there?
Truth is only something that has been pre agreed upon, that when you encounter a certain experience no matter what that experience might be, is what and how that experience will be compared to in order to confirm what it is you are experiencing is. Truth in no way has anything to do with what something actually is. An example would be that when you come to a traffic light you need to stop based on a pre existing agreement that has been made that it is a safe thing to do and that that guaranteed you that you won't get into an accident. That would be considered a truth, but in no way does it mean that if you don't stop that that would guarantee you that you will get into an accident. The truth has now in a way become an untruth with respect to itself as far as what is really is. It is true that green is green only if everyone agrees that this is the case. It's no longer true that green is green if I say green is not green. Now whether or not green is green depends on what actually green is and not on what we agree it is. Our perception of things do not make them what they actually are. What they are is really independent of what we say or think they are. So REAL truth is something we probably cannot know. What this makes me think about is that the more we think we know, the less we actually do know. It may very well be that our senses actually filter out what real truth is, and present us with an illusionary truth of what things it wants us to believe are true.
(FACTS OVA FEELINGS). Wee have a Conditional Relationship with the Truth. Wee Only want Truth if it Makes Us Feel Moor Stable. ......... Wee Only want Truth if it Makes Us Feel Moor in Control. ....... Wee Only want Truth if it Makes Us Feel Good and this Conditional Relationship that wee have with the Truth will be hOUR DOWNFALL
True is that wat demonstrably is the same for every person.
Silence I.S. the ultimate TRUTH.
Please look into the work of Bruce Lipton And Gregg Brayden would love to see interviews with them and your perspective in knowledge questioning everything ???
Truth is whatever you find to be the most convincing argument. However, truth, is simply your attempt at a convincing argument.