(80)The Romulan Star System
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2021
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Romulan Star System, along with the History of the Romulans themselves! I hope you enjoy!
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idea: since the romulans use micro blackholes in their warp drive, maybe an environmental effect of too many micro black wholes near the romuman sun caused the star to destabilize.
I love fandom's imagination ;) Great theory ;)
My head cannon is that Section 31 caused the super nova (using similar methods to the Bashir-changling in DS9 "Infernor's Light". Also they were responsible for the explosion of Praxis. Both to weaken a major enemy of the Federation.
Thank you for this. The Romulans are my favourite species in Star Trek. There's something about the Romulans that are both awesome and majestic. I love how they could go from being the sadistic evil villians we knew to having a 'change of heart' and striving to become a better people and civilization.
ALso part of the reason why Im hoping STO actually does have a Reunification storyline. In part to honour Nimoy as well as the legacies of Vulcan and Romulus.
Would love to see more vids about the star trek races, especially the Andorians ! 🖖🏻🤩😎
They ARE on my "to do" list! :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Thank you. Im also excited to see more about races, snd maybe about anomalies and such encountered during explorations
This channel is so soothing and I feel like I learn so much here.
Thank you so much :)
I like to use the analogy that TAS is like a good teacher. He gets his point across in such a way that you actually *want* to pay attention and learn. : )
Can't wait for the next episode. Bring on the Andorians.
Glad to say I've been around this channel for a while and it just keeps getting better. Never stop being great.
Wow, thanks!
Thank you for this awesome Video. What a wonderful look at the Romulan Star System. i have always Liked the Romulans they are crafty, subtle and come at you from every direction, you never know which way they will hit you from but there also honorable in there own right and strong in there belief system, a wonderful job on there History it will be awesome to see were they go from here, again great job as always =).
Glad you liked it! I cant wait to see more in the future about their history :)
Nice commentary on the romulans. Maybe do the next one on the klingons
Thank you so much, and it's on the "to do" list :)
Paint 🎨 my warship "Romulan" Green 💚 🖖
Lmao I got a mid-roll ad for a company called “REMUS” that sells those super annoying exhaust pipes that make a lot of noise that car bros put on their cars.
Lucky! :P
This was great! Absolutely continue with this content.
Another excellent video. Nice way to summarize the existence of the Romulan Empire!
That was an extremely fascinating video i enjoyed it very much & I'd love 2 C more videos like this
I'm glad you added in Star Trek Online. I love the Romulan plot line in STO. Gives hope to a former enemy.
I LOVE Star Trek Online, and of course it IS Beta Canon. But there is FAR too much going on in the game to ever even approach the threshold of Canon itself. So like CBS, I pick and choose what makes sense from the game and include it in my Beta Canon videos :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Is there a TriAngulum fleet to join or should we make one?
Poor guys, in the future their planet gets wiped out by a super nova.
Q sneezed, the Romulans star exploded. That's all.
New comic is out in the End of Kirk's 5 year mission that has to do w/ Vulcan's war. Also there is an old novel on it as well.
The planet notation "Rom-IV" is I assume a nod to the planet "Rom-II" seen on the star map in "Balance Of Terror"? 😁
Another awesome upload thanks, it was really interesting any videos coming up about Species 8472 👍
Thank you, and yes, I've begun to research a special video on Species 8472... But it's going to be awhile before it gets made!
Sounds like a great story ark or plot for any future movie or tv series of why the Romulan star exploded "I thought it was to do with Romulans meddling with Borg tech?" fantastic in depth video.
It was alright, I'm still a big fan of the Romulan Republic as they have to grow and develop with the Federation and the klingon empire respectively and help them grow from close rivals to allies.
thank you very much for this Video
No problem! :)
Hmm... Gee... Let me think about that question... Do I want to see more videos, like this one, about other races? ABSOLUTELY YUP!!!
Too subtle? :-P
Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful one!!!
Noted! LOL And I hope YOU have a wonderful one :)
Love this video, I would love to see a video on Tellar and Alpha Centauri too
Beta Canon Alpha Centuari is interesting.
M y own head-canon has always been that a ship, perhaps an experimental newer version of the quantum-singularity power source, malfunctioned and crashed/flew into the Romulan sun, causing the supernova explosion.
The only problem with that theory, is that it wouldnt take years for the Sun to go Nova... An interesting suggestion, a long the same lines was given to me by a fan... That frequent use and development of the Singularity Core at a construction facility at Planet 1, could have had an accumulative effect on the entire system and thus over time destabilized the Sun to the point where it couldnt be restabilized... Just a thought :)
This was really good more please👍👌🤞
Thank you Sam :)
I love more videos like this
Acknowledged!
Interesting video ! Thanks ;-)
Glad you liked it!
Sorry I’m late to comment, I love your depiction of the Romulan System.
My theory, is that Q destroyed the system.
would love more, bring on (in no exact order) the Iconians, the Tkon Empire, the Cheron natives, The First Federation, the Kelvan Empire of the Andromeda Galaxy, and the Minosians... I think you see where I'm going here, the lost or extinct civilizations of the universe.
My eyes narrowed and one eye brow raised with this comment ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics at least they didn't glaze over... I know some of those are deeper cuts lore wise then others. my brain is full of useless facts like them, and what my brain doesn't have a card catalog for google is very helpful
Hum......... what did make the stable sun go unstable? Was it Q? Was it the empires mico black holes for the power sources of there ship? Was it neglect of the empire? My concept is a mix of the last two. The empire has been more of war/chess game with them. Not realizing there sun could go unstable. Though a mico black holes for there power sources in there ships I wonder had any sway on there own sun destilablity? Makes some sense if one thinks bout it. Thank again for the video and content.
11:28 why is yodas face in the clouds?
7:55 what episode was that?
Diane Duane's Rihanssu novels offer a tantalizing (if non-canon) look into the Romulans and their culture. For example, their name for their homeworlds is Ch'Rihan (Romulus) and Ch'Havran (Remus). You can find all of it in Duane's novel "The Romulan Way." I highly recommend it. 🖖😎
Yes, it was one of the sources used for this video...
Do the Breen next :D
It's on the "to do" list, but it will still be a while!
Wait! When did Species 8472 get named Undine? That's brand new to me!
It's in Star Trek: Online
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If the Romulans had never tried to ferment war between the various pre Federation species, would the Federation have even arisen?
Did they create it as the ultimate blowback, or did they just hasten what would have eventually occurred anyway?
[ - perhaps if the Romulans had played a _only watch game,_ would the Federation have still appeared as a counterbalance to the Klingon threat?].
There really is no answer to that and no way of knowing!
Ah, so going with the "Romulus Star" going supernova instead of the Hobus event...
Well Yes, originally in Beta Canon it was the Hobus Star. BUT in Star Trek: Picard, which is Alpha Canon, it was revealed to be the Romulan Star, not Hobus. And Alpha canon ALWAYS trumps Beta Canon!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Which means, if we take ST:P at its word, Spock was planning on murdering the Romulans himself...
Okay, the star goes supernova- how many minutes before Romulus is destroyed? Even setting aside that makes Nero's vendetta even stupider, this means that Spock's plan was to stop the Romulan Star supernova... by making a black hole instead.
Computer, what happens to the planets in a Star System if you replace that star with a Black Hole? ... To shreds, you say.
@@Sephiroth144 LOL Hey, don't kill the Messenger :P We have no choice BUT to take Picard for it's word as it's canon! :P Im not sure if you've watched any of my other videos over the years about this topic, but I preferred the Hobus Star explanation for the VERY reasons you stated above :( But Im bound by canon just like everyone else is... So the only thing I can do is come up with (Or at least try to) explain the whole thing in the confines of that canon. It's possible, I suppose, that Spock realized he couldnt save Romulus no matter what he did, and decided to save the surrounding Star System, IE The Needs of the Many!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Though, DO (regular) supernovas affect other star systems unless they are pretty close to the exploding star? (And couldn't only do so at lightspeed or less- we'd be talking years before the first one would even notice- which would make Spock's haste illogical.)
Or we could go full meta- what's canon, vs what's KNOWN in canon...
Sure, Picard BELIEVES it was the Romulan Star, but did Starfleet/Section 31 cover up the multi-system spanning catastrophe...? Hell, I can even facet an Alpha reason with some Beta canon- wasn't the Hobus event somehow affecting subspace, which was how a "natural" event moved faster than light and affected multiple star systems? Man, what could do that...? Almost like an Omega molecule interacted with a dying star. Now, if the molecule was destroyed in the Ultranova™, well, S31/Starfleet might invoke that Omega Directive to change the narrative and try to keep this shitshow under wraps... ("Oh, it was totally a normal G9 star (same main sequence G-class star type as Sol) that went supernova suddenly- nothing to see here!" - very trustworthy science man)
Sure, it's a little "conspiracy"-y, but if Hobus was closer to Romulus (so not many other colonies were destroyed), it wouldn't be that crazy.
Well according to Beta canon, this SuperNova was unusual, like nothing ever seen before, it actually traveled through SubSpace, which would make a GREAT who done it type story... But seemingly, that idea was tossed out, at least for now... And as to your conspiracy theory, NAHHHHHHHHH :P
Both Picard and ALL Beta Canon is clear about the fact that EVERYONE knew what was going on and going to happen. So it's just way too far fetched! :)
Wasnt the 2378 supernova the Hobus star not the Romulan homeworld's sun?
Im sorry, you are incorrect.
Yes, originally in Beta Canon it was the Hobus Star. BUT in Star Trek: Picard, which is Alpha Canon, it was revealed to be the Romulan Star, not Hobus. And Alpha canon ALWAYS trumps Beta Canon!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Thanks! its hard to keep track from which level of canon I learn about trek things.
And centuries later they reunited to Vulcans forming Ni'Var...
10:40 wasn’t it a star named “hobus” that went supernova…a close neighbour Star to the romulan system, not the romulan systems own sun…???
Yes, originally in Beta Canon it was the Hobus Star. BUT in Star Trek: Picard, which is Alpha Canon, it was revealed to be the Romulan Star, not Hobus. And Alpha canon ALWAYS trumps Beta Canon!
How does a main sequence star near the mass of our sun go supernova without outside interference. Ya canna change the laws of physics.
That IS the question right? :P But we also in our time, dont fully understand such matters, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that in the future, when we can study one up close, we might discover something different!
What about discovery season 3?
What about it? I mean I think it's pretty obvious that this video takes place after the events of Star Trek: Picard in a 25th Century view rather then from a 32nd Century view... Once Im done researching, of course there will be a LOT more videos from the 32nd Century! :)
I don't remember where, possible a theory on the actual official Star Trek page, that a theory was that Romulas was the actual home of the Vulcans and not the other way around. 1) Vulcan is a much more harsh world compared to Romulas, which is more hospitable for life to develop. 2) If you have one pacifistic side and another more violent side, which side will most likely be able to force the other off a planet?
Ive never seen or heard that, and it would directly contradict what canon has told us so....
I was never a big Enterprise fan, but it’s a shame they didn’t (or couldn’t) get around to showing the Earth-Romulan War in full swing.
Also, it seems to me like the technology gap between Vulcan and Earth around the time of Enterprise seemed too small given how much longer the Vulcans had spaceflight capability. I know they gave Earth some tech, but it still seems too small to me.
Not to me really... The way I see it is that after the Romulans left Vulcan, the Vulcan Species would have entered a sort of Dark Age, where they would work on themselves and repairing the damage to Vulcan itself... This probably took centuries. By the time they were ready for Space Exploration again, they'd have to start over technology wise as most of that information would be missing or lost. then given Vulcans logical approach to everything, would have slowed things down even more, as far more testing and study would be done before accepting a technology... So to me, it makes absolute sense!
Tho the Romulans lost their own home planet and system they were still in control of several other star systems. What became of them? Wouldn't the survivors have settled on these and continued to control them? Was there a revolt to gain control form the Romulans once they lost their seat of power which kicked those living in other systems to flee or die? They must have had a strong presence on a few of those other star systems in which they continue to thrive. What of those Romulans?
Well we dont really know how that all played out, at least not yet... We only know that the Romulan Star Empire without Romulus Collapse, and that actually makes sense. Suddenly, all those Romulan Colonies would find themselves without the support structure provided by the Romulan Government. This would make them have to rely on themselves. Worlds once conquered by Romulus, would now be free to have rebel uprising without true danger of reprisals, most only having to deal with any Romulans on their worlds, no back up.
Also, most likely many worlds that were completely Romulan, would probably begin to declare themselves as the New Government of the Empire, which probably lead to much in fighting between different factions.
Meanwhile, you have the dissident movement (Free Romulus) that Spock spoke up that was spreading like wild fire, and allowed for a New Romulan Government to take hold supported by the surviving, normal Romulan people.
And lastly, you cant just suddenly have millions of refugees show up on your doorstep and say Hey, yeah, welcome, come on in. Romulan Colonies would be set up with finite resources and accommodations. So if people suddenly showed up how would you feed them? Cloth them? House them? Etc Etc Etc. So most likely, any surviving Romulan colonies and outposts would a) turn a lot of people away given their own resources and the collapse of trade. And b) begin to request help from other species and organizations like the Federation for basic needs and parts.
So overall, strong presence means nothing when you no longer have a government to support you!
If the romulan sun was a G Type star then how did it go supernova?
Well it IS a G Type Star, and THAT is the question! :P Hence what the video says about it!
I just watched the whole thing.
Then you know what the video said about that! :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Yea I typed that comment at the beginning of the video when you said g-type and I'm like wait a minute? I know that sun eventually goes supernova. WTH star trek I thought you usually tried to stay scientifically accurate.
LOL Always best to wait until the video is complete before commenting ;) But yes, Trek always tries to stay somewhat Science Accurate! BUT It is still Science Fiction! ;) So the story dictates the Science sometimes!
69th view. Nice
LOL Congrats! :P
star trek online actualy explains why the star blew up.
It has a possible explanation, as it's Beta Canon, and to be honest, its kind of silly :P But I included the reference anyhow :P
The Romulus system was destroyed after a star in the Hobus system went nova and penetrated subspace and causing a path of destruction 500 light years wide and across because the Iconians were behind it.
Im sorry but you're incorrect... That is merely an interpretation from Star Trek Online and STO is not canon!
It wasn’t the Romulan Sun it was 4 light years away the star of the Hobus System that went nova. The main issue is the fact the blast wave was moving at FTL speeds which was seen as impossible and the fact Hobus Star was a young star. So it seems it wasn’t a natural act as talk about by Amb. Spock to Nero in the Countdown Prequel before Picard series.
Im sorry, you are incorrect.
Yes, originally in Beta Canon it was the Hobus Star. BUT in Star Trek: Picard, which is Alpha Canon, it was revealed to be the Romulan Star, not Hobus. And Alpha canon ALWAYS trumps Beta Canon!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics By Kahless! Alpha / Beta I can’t keep up I’m going back to 40K where it’s so simple!🙈😅 Thanks my mistake !
LOL that's ok, I was actually kind of sad when Picard made it the Romulan Sun as I kinda liked the Hobus idea... But what can I do right? :P
I don't love the idea that the Ridge-head Romulans were a native species that just so happened to be there. Why can't the ridges be an environmental adaptation of some sort?
Because evolution, especially such a dramatic one, takes hundreds of thousands of years (If not millions) Not just a thousand! So it would be scientifically impossible!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics You're not wrong, but personally I find that an easier bridge to cross than the coincidence that they just so happened to come across an almost identical species at random.
But I'm also just nitpicking here! Great job man and keep it up, I'm a huge fan!
You might find it easier, but any scientist would rip Trek a part for that, and you'd get the haters whining about how unrealistic scientifically Star Trek now is :P
And Thank you SO much :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I mean to be fair any scientist would already rip trek apart for all sorts of things :p Look at Threshold! I feel like making it an environmental adaptation at least has the spirit of real science... but I also don't run a trek youtube channel and have to deal with the deluge of comments ;p So I guess I cant really blame you for sticking to the letter of the 'law' here!
No not really... We dont have Warp, or Transwarp or an Infinite warp barrier in actual science, but we do know how evolution works. And again no, making it any form of evolution IE Environmental adaptation, flies in the face of real science that we know all about. And Star Trek has ALWAYS tried to stick to real life science... That's why they have scientists as a part of their story review process, to ensure that everything abides by actual science and what we know... So this isnt about a fictional science like Infinite Warp, it's about actual science like how gravity works... :)
The Romulan Empire fell victim to their ultimate nemesis - JJ Abrams.
I wouldn't say that... It was a great story telling point! Very realistic, in the sense that not everything is always hunky doory in the universe, and emergencies like this one define Star Trek at it's best IE How do the various species deal, and over come, this tragedy!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Yes, but something similar happened in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country when the Klingon moon Praxis exploded and destroyed the Klingon homeworld ozone layer. So, it seems like the idea is just a retread of an earlier idea.
It's nothing a like... The Romulan home world was Destroyed, not contaminated, and dying over 50 years... And in that instance, the Feds and Klingons worked together to prevent the annihilation of the Klingon Species, and avert a war to death with them.
Here' the Romulan Home World was completely destroyed, with no help from the Federation and left to fend for themselves... Though both stories have a similar starting point, IE a Home World in danger, they are quite different plots. By your logic, the Dominion War shouldnt have happened as it was just a retread of the Federation/ Klingon war from the TOS episode Errand of Mercy!
Romulan sun didnt go supernova.. its called Eisn! The Hobus star went supernova. of course Eisn is a beta source =P But i thought the hobus was another star system.. not romulan star system.. near by system? Why call it hobus if they mean the star or system? It wouldnt be logical!
Im sorry, you are incorrect.
Yes, originally in Beta Canon it was the Hobus Star. BUT in Star Trek: Picard, which is Alpha Canon, it was revealed to be the Romulan Star, not Hobus. And Alpha canon ALWAYS trumps Beta Canon!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Really wow.. meh i rather not be since i first heard that.. but meh ill try to forget the difference i love all trek.. still bugged about star trek gods and men USS Enterprise NCC-1701-M lol
Still didn’t get it cause they mentioned it I thought in Picard and short trek and 2009… maybe they did say Romulan star. Meh lol :-)
@@XHunter442 They did!
I wish the writers would do a little homework on actual science instead of pulling crap from their butts. A star dosent suddenly go nova. It takes millions of years and many changes before this could happen. Romulans would know that this could happen and have 100s of years to prepare. Why did the Romulans need Federation help didn't they have ships of their own? This plot aspect dosent make sense.
Personally i wish fans would think about all possibilities before thet comment!
First of all, we do not know everything about how stars work... We think we do, but it hasn't been confirmed... Also your comment doesnt take in to account artificial means of causing a Super Nova!
Second... Your comment also does take in to account the Population of Romulus (let alone the other surrounding systems which needed to be evacuated) and the round trip time of loading and off loading passengers in safe star system!
Due to the Dominion War and a Borg Attack (See Lower Decks) the Romulan Fleet was not up to the task of doing this alone... JUST Romulus had 7 billion people on it to evacuate. The Galaxy Class can hold 10000 people maximum. To evacuate 7 Billion people would take 700000 Galaxy Class ships, and thats not including the 1000 crew it takes to operate the vessel. Then you have to factor in things such travel time to outside the destructive radius, available space IE a planet that could handle the evacuees, resources to start a new colony etc, and your rant about that becomes even more ridiculous. So it's not even CLOSE to being a stretch, in fact, it makes absolute sense