How Drag Racing Destroyed My Skyline (DETAILED EXPLANATION)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- A very detailed explanation on what happened, how it happened, and how we are thinking of fixing it. I recognize this type of video isn't for everyone - but I felt as though it required more than a quick 30 second explanation in a daily vlog. I think the biggest bummer is that I really enjoy driving this car around - and knowing all the projects that are lined up over the next month or so - it's going to be a while before this thing is running again. At least we caught it!
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LOL I just realized I accidentally put the outro over the last clip.... Not much important other than some horsing around and saying we're gonna fix this thing!!!
Wheres the cream s13
i thought my youtube was messed up LOL
Soo that means an RB26 or a new engine or are you putting an other engine???
un upload.. re upload, or just simply put that as the first clip in the next video
you know you want a RB26 in the r32, DO IT!
Shout out to jack and hp logic for pointing you guys in the right direction to diagnose the problem
*Roberto... Roberto is the mechanical wizard, Jack is the tuning wizard
@@MrOddman85 jack was telling him about the cam timing sensor and that's why he doesn't run a two step typically on the rb25? Or whatever due to the shock causing play and movement which in turn messes up the timing. They both know their shit for sure tho. Glad to see rudnik down there with them
@@jayhagan8562 i agree, rudnick is gonna learn ALOT from the guys at HP..
@@bigcheese4332 yea, hes still going to be rudnik tho an do some stupid shit lol like leaving his newly painted bumper in the back of a hot car to warp
Hi Adam, Have the nose of the crankshaft machined to fit a full length square key to tie up the timing sprocket and front pulley on the same key-way. That will sort out you and a common RB Series engine problems for good. As an ex Nissan Development Engineer and engine builder and having done this mod before to fix the problem once and for all. I'm sure once Alberto reads this he will agree with me as well!
Didn't motivedvd just do a video on this about the crankshaft for handling 1000hp
Very easy fix without rebuilding anything! Set everything to 0 and drill an add a extra key to both belt pulley and crank pulley...just like ls guys do when they supercharge they motors
That's brilliant. You must drill a square hole tho.
Alisio Ardiona no I believe the ls guys drill a hole that half on the crank and half on the pulley and then use a cylinder as a key. I could be wrong tho
Off topic but you CAN drill a square hole....
It is a round dowel half on the pulley half on the crank.
did this on someone hyundai v6 kept shearing the pin since they dont use a key . had a machine shop add two round dowls to it and timing belt gear never a issue since
I like how Alberto doesn’t argue against “LS everything” at all. He just says okay😂
Yup you definetly swaping a rb26 in the skyline we all knew it 😂
He should of done that from the start
💀
They both seem to have the same issue though? Isn’t that what Jack said?
@TH-cam Chb2 Chb2 TH-cam no
It was obvious.. He was abusing the car because he wanted another engine
So rb26 soon
Philip Geleta he’s putting it back in there just doing things to it rn
Do i smell a rb26 swap? Hmmmm
Rb26 time?
Darn RB’s. Makes me a bit cautious to put big power into my r32. Y’all got this Adam. Keep it up brother
it all depends on what you going to do with it. are you going to drift, drag or just going to drive it?
William Rainbow wanting to make it a good street car someday. I have too many drift cars. She currently is only running like 10-12 psi. The boost controller is outdated and needs a tune. But she drives smooth rn. Not the fastest thing though.
This isn’t usually a common rb issue though. It’s a timing issue not an oiling issue
Matt L ya I guess that’s true. Mine hardly has any blow by. But also I’m only on like 10 psi lol. I’ll dive into the car at some point. Probably put a modest single turbo on it and check over things, get a solid tune and call it good.
I wouldn't worry about it. This isn't really a common issue. This is a "You have really fucking bad luck" scenario.
ME 2!
#metoo
#measwell
#metoo
i think cleetus owes both of you 10 second cars now!
You destroy all yours cars 😏
Clutch Kick Junkies that’s the fun of building one
Build, race, break. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Destroy? Thats wha you supposed to do enjoy your cars plus im sure his got enough money to make it unbreakable next time lol..
@@RobbyDee85 you can never makes a car unbreakable
Reliable cars = boring content.
Alberto deserves a raise for saving you so much possible money in engine destruction 😂😂😂
jack found the issue doe
@@pinkbandit133 Alberto and Roberto were working on it. They tried to see where the timing was and it didnt flash up on the timing light. They then looked at the crank pulley and saw it said between 50 and 60 where it should've said zero confirming it with a extension. I see no jack in this. And Roberto helped but wasnt necessarily a main reason since Alberto was the one who tried to adjust timing on the laptop to spark investigation
18 likes no views
Mustache magic
M&R Tuning it doesn’t count a view unless at least half of the video is viewed....
Jason N that’s not true I can see if people watch 1 sec of my video and leave
TH-cam studio analytics
Mermaid magic
Sell it and buy 8 PT Cruisers
Pt gt only though they are kinda fast but only kinda
William Johns I kept up with a 350z in my old pt cruiser and he was so butthurt lmao
@@purpleroadster7306 No. No you didn't.
@@purpleroadster7306 350z must have been down 4 cylinders
Richie Hardison it was a turbo pt and he probably was short shifting it was just some random dude at a stop light so I don’t know
More s15 content. S13 to. Those are my favorite of the lz dream garage.
Ghost Face both getting work done
20mins of: THERES PLAY IN THE PULLEY.
lol we still watched
True!! That's why I clicked dislike... Was waiting for disassembly in 20min!
Adam i just got my first car ‼️ its a 2015 wrx, it already has coil overs, intake, tint, and rims. I got it for a reasonable price and a new exhaust is going on next month 😎
Aaaaa the old flaming banana trick to remove the pulley
works every time
Bread works so I don't see why flaming bananas wouldn't?.
8:20 I love the bond that Adam and Alberto have just two sleep deprived bro's
I wonder if adam is concidering buying a beater car that would be cool...
hes tried look at what happened to the z lol
He can't. He always makes them looking nice.
Every single one of his cars are beater cars
Z ?
I mean, it's still a nice car, but it's a beater...
I wouldnt own 350z as a beater i'd rather own a volvo 740 as a beater car
Jack is the only man that should be tuning your cars I’m so glad you finally hooked up with him !
Thanks Jack cecil
Glad y'all figured out the issue and prevented potential catastrophic casualty.
Rb issues showing up again. You should put a stock 1jz in it and call it a day. You can two step the crap out of it, launch it, clutch drop it, whatever, and it will keep taking it. Cheaper to replace as well if something catastrophic does happen, though very rare on those motors. I understand wanting to remain a purist and keep the rb in the skyline, but you have to ask yourself when it becomes to much of a hassle and to expensive to keep replacing cranks, and collars and whatever else always goes wrong on Rb’s.
Won't happen until the TH-cam money starts drying up.
@yba202 What are you talking about? Big Boost leak is an RB expert!
yba202, amen...
@@sherlockholmes60 lol "big boost leak" damn....this needs to catch on..
I was always on the fence about adam lz, but the videos have been super interesting lately, mostly cause I'm a skyline fanboy, but partly because it seems like the videos have been done more genuinely if that makes sense, guess what i mean is the video flow seems more natural lately. keep it up
That’s literally exactly what broke on my geo metro and it ruined my crankshaft but I just used JB weld to fill the the damage.
Same but loctite 660, specifically made for this exact use case. How long you been running on JB weld?
What's the geo running on a qm
love that sense of humor big boost and LZ best duo
A like for every time he sea wudruf key
*woodruff
Adam by you having this issue, and jack telling you to check your crank sensor, it made me check mine as i have had a slight misfire at idle, and blipping the throttle to rev match, so your problems helped a fellow car enthusiast i just feel bad your fix wasnt as easy as mine! i know youll and big boost will get it fixed in no time ;)
even though the LS swap was a joke...you need an LS in your lineup.
LS swap doesn't get him enough hot boi JDM clout.
Sherlock Holmes no, but does give him a bunch of reliable power. But who wants that...
@@TorqueMediaau I agree, but when you get to build things with other people's money, I guess you're willing to do it over and over.
@@TorqueMediaau ehh not so much for drifting unless you go dry sump. Even with a baffled pan LS will suck up air in the pickup tube going sideways. Dry sump is $$$ but Adams a baller so he'd probably do a full dry sump 427 with a tvs
it is reliable lol and 600whp is PLENTY I don't think you need anymore than that for a daily driver, the engine itself isn't damaged, its just a timing issue and rarely happens to rbs, your acting like its the sr20 that likes to harm itself 24/7
When in doubt always grab that blue wrench! It can remove just about anything unless it's stainless, then you just melt it instead of cutting it.
Are you going to put a super damper pulley on the r33 so that it has another failsafe so this won’t happen to it? I think that would be a good idea
It's already got one I'm pretty sure
We used a fluidampr on the R33
Alberto BIGBOOST cool thanks Alberto just asking!
Alberto has been rocking that “No Sleep” shirt for a while now.....get that man a cot lol
We all know jack told you what it was
Eric mopar mosher yeaaaaa
Another thing to Look into Adam & Alberto;
Check the overall length of the Crankshaft Bolt that tightens down both Crank Pulley And Timing Gear, then check the internal Thread depth length on the Crank nose. you should have about 1/4" less length on the Bolt. If the lengths are similar, then you are essentially Torquing the Bolt to spec. but the Bolt isn't holding the Pulley & Timing Gear securely. This is a famous fault on the Geo Metro G13B(DOHC) engines back in the Day. Always use a new Bolt, because the Bolts do stretch AND bottom out in the Crank nose Thread engagement, leaving the Pulley, etc. insufficiently clamped.
On a related topic, I have also been able to reuse the crank even tho the Woodruff Key slot is 'ovaled' ...just mix up some Steel Weld Epoxy, clean both Key & Crank Slot, lay some epoxy in the clot, then place the NEW Key in place, wipe off the excess. lightly Oil the Crank Gear(or Crank Pulley) internal surface with oil(so it wont Stick with the Epoxy). Install the Gear/Pulley, Torque Bolt to Spec. Leave to harden for 24 Hours. If the Woodruff slot(s) are really badly Damaged, then you can have a machine Shop Make new Woodruff slots 180 degrees opposite off the crank, just be sure to get your timing right when assembling the Engine.
Good luck guys!
Rb 30 soon?
adam, take the new crank shaft and have the woodruf key slot machined to accept a larger woodruf key. youll have to get the pulley machined to match but it will be worth it. no more issues after doing something like that.
You guys always miss the small stuff on these and it ends up ruining a motor. Luckily this one is okish :(
Make sure that the crank bolt was super tight and always recheck if your using the car for drag or drift as they can come loose with harmonics, the washer that goes between the balancer and crank sprocket can also cause the bolt to come loose if it's been left out by accident.... the only way a woodruff key can get flogged is if the crank bolt just isn't tight enough
Just make it a purpose built drag car lol
It can't compete with much, let's be honest.
All Motor Smoke why tf would he do that? It’s a fully built drift car... he just takes it drag racing occasionally... lots of people do that
Blank. Because he said he would never make it a full drag car. That’s why. People take their cars drag racing occasionally... doesn’t mean they want a full on drag car
I support this.
@@Jake-ds9sw have you seen king32 or jun? they're going 6-7 sec to the 1/4. RB's definitely have potential.
Love your videos! Adam! Hate to see the R33 down😭 but it’s definitely fixable cut the old crank off if you got to! Some people in here talk about adding in a bigger key or add in some dowels pins! Save some serious headache without needing to re do the crank
Where's the s13??
Fin getting it’s body fixed by Randy at Serrot Performance
@@IFIXATVS I know it was away to Randy's but it just feels strange that we have not seen it in a while maybe it if just me
@@fin1168 Your not the only one. I feel like I haven't seen the s13 in 2 months
Woodruff keys
Semicircular Woodruff keys insert into a curved slot in the shaft. The advantage: Properly installed, it is captive and cannot walk out of the shaft. However, they are difficult to install. The key is first pressed into a curved slot milled in the shaft and then aligned so that its flat top is parallel with the shaft. But as the shaft and Woodruff key are pressed into the component, the key tends to slip out of position. Keys not installed parallel will cause problems in use.
Woodruff keys are also relatively short and cannot carry the same load as longer keys. They are used for light-duty applications and mounting taper-bored components onto tapered shaft ends. They’re inappropriate for transmitting heavy torque, such as with wide-faced gears or multigroove V-belt pulleys. Mounting two or more Woodruff keys in line to carry higher loads is expensive and makes installation all the more problematic.
Woodruff keys are used on shafts from 0.25 to 2.5-in. diameter. They come in a range of sizes but require special key-cutting tools.
Video is 20 minutes long. Uploaded 4 minutes ago and 3 dislikes. Why are people subscribed if they are haters
Jose Hernandez true dat
Unfortunately, the haters watch people’s videos longer than the real fans.
They hate us cus they ain’t us
they do this literally just to say they we're the first one to dislike it
amazing seeing you and taylor shred this weekend at pbir !!!!
#LSTHEWORLD
RB26 = ReBuild 26 times. Mo Money Mo Problems.
Keep up the good content
Ask taylor ray and rudknuckle how long ls last lol
As if “rudknuckle” didn’t hack everything together...
Taylor's Vette was problem free. And you spelled Cleetus wrong.
Machine double keyway on the "new" crankshaft, crankpulley and damper. Job done :D
Save big by switching to big boost!
Uh no he costs as much as he saves. Fo it proper the first time and you do t have to do it multiple times.
Boostmobile commercial slogan stealing bitch i see you👀😐
Reminds me of old VW diesels. They had a keyed timing gear and a slot on the crank it mated to. A lot of times if you modify the engine or it has high mileage that fails and you bend valves and damage the head. Good thing RBs aren't as bad as VW diesels for timing failure lol. I suggest you should try to find a gear with a D shaped hole and just machine a flat on the crank. It's difficult to explain well but if you want pictures just let me know where to send them and I'll try to get some.
I would say you go 2J on all your cars!
Gross
The backyard mechanic
Not gross Just better 😁😉🤪
@@HaramiSalami420 😂though I like gtr's ......supra's are way better
A 2J in a R33 would be my dream 😍😌😂
Florian L. Eww
Timing also control injector pulse width so yes that explains it perfectly you might want to add more key way to the crank and timing gear double or 4 keys we do it with super chargers due to the load of the belt turning the supercharger
who loves Adams cars
I love my moms camry....
But i do like adams whips
Camry’s are dope!
My favorite Camry is the 1998 Toyota Chaser
Connoisseur Of Cars & Tig Ol Bitties they are! tbh
Mine is also a chaser and many others
Love the detail you give in your vlogs keep it love the channel
RBs are among the most fragile things in the universe, I don't understand why people keep building them for racing purposes.
R u mental? No experience I take it?
Truth!
Legend says, Alberto is still speaking about what would've happened had he not found the issue
9:01 lmaooo
19:04 Alberto wants a raise!!
It’s that Nissan magic...this is another victory for 2JZ. Unfortunately, we had to discover this failure this way.
The lads in Australia can make the RBs work. So Adam can too.
Alex Strömberg True, I cant remember the channel off the top of my head, they are Australian guys too. They did the comparison to the Nissan engines verse the Toyota’s. The Nissans just don’t compare. If you pull the Nissans all the way down and build it up, yeah. It will work.
@@WelcomeToTheMadness you might be talking about Motive DVD
Welcome To The Madness yet the car still runs lmao... it’s not like it’s an engine failure. Just a timing issue and I know quite a few jz’s that have timing issues, with the vvti solenoids going bad and all
Mattia Zadra Yeah, motive Video is the channel.
No sleep t shirt, Alberto secretly screaming let me sleep Adam lol
Buy a rx7 Adam
That would probably be worse
@@NightGaming_58 😂😋🤣 tj
jarellethejdm hunter take the s2k out, not tj Hunt spec
An nsx will be better guys
Non of his cars are reliable so RX7 is a big no no for him 😂😂 it would be broken 24/7
"I just say we go LS on all the cars" . . .lmao I freaking died 😂😂😂
Buy a 300zx
Zach Espinoza he doesnt buy underrated cars tbh but the 300zx is really nice i've used to own it as a daily drifter then i sold it so i could get myself a bmw 325ci
Zach Espinoza junk
Ben Wilkinson everyone has their own opinion buddy
bob 69 agreed, kinda sucks but it would be nice to see someone do something new
Zach Espinoza cough cough* jimmy Oakes
Hey, look on the bright side; at least now that you're pulling the engine, you have an excuse to get an rb26-25 itb adapter so you can have that sweet noise and response!
I Run it till it blows🤷♀️
Do you have a Subaru?
@. Scout your dad
@TH-cam Chb2 Chb2 TH-cam
Nah, your videos are 💩
@@NightGaming_58 lol
You set yourself up for this one....
The woodruff key only locates the pulleys, the clamping torque from the bolt is what holds them in place. Have been building RB's for a long time and never had this kind of failure. Ignition cut and 9000rpm on one
2 step FTL
J Whit no.
@@benwilkinson1594 oh yes papi
AdamLZ absolutely heat the core of the pulley before/while you use the puller. Heat will help it expand.
Basically an explanation of why RB’s are hot garbage.
no they're not. The inexperienced cause problems for rb's but these mishaps can prevent the issue from reoccurring.
Tell that to the aussies
Why would you say that? The motor itself has been running 600+ hp for months as basically a daily driver, and he had one real issue with the timing, not even an oil issue, or anything of the sort. I’d say that’s a pretty good motor.
This is common with early 1.6 miata motors, the woodruff key wears into the crank so your timing is always off. Many people have fixed it with a certain type of loctite and haven't had issues years later, but I doubt that would be the case with the kind of power you're making.
Woodruff keys are only for indexing. They’re not for torsional loading. I would increase the torque on the bolt for the balancer. Good luck my man.
@adamLZ machine the crank to allow 1 big key instead of 2 and fit a platinum racing full trigger kit. Job done
The drag racing videos were awesome tho... def hope to see more with you and cleetus drag racing and he's gotta get the crown vic to some drift events with you.
When you said "LS everything" you were on the right track.
Hey i know this was common on miata 1.6 engine and people used to repair the damaged keyways with some loctite product, you could try that while the engine is still in the car before you commit to using another block
I have fixed this problem without rebuilding the engine. If the key is brass all you need to do is get a new key put it into the key way and weld the part up that is worn then file it by hand to a tight fit and good as new., if it isn't brass get some and shape it to match the standard key size and do the same thing.
now the mad scientist gotta rip apart the crank case and replace the wudruff keys you fried!
If you have tdc'd the engine and the cams are still in time then the bottom timing pulley hasn't moved, the crank pulley may have come loose and chewed its keyway out, this is very common for high revving RB's. The other thing it could be is i have seen a couple of Ross dampers fail and rotate the outer to the inner.
You will need to do the crank bolt up to the correct torque or it will come loose again, this needs to be very tight, off the scale on allot of torque wrenches. The crank snout will be damaged but most good machine shops will reweld and grind it back true.
Perfect opportunity to drop an RB26 engine, although it sucks at least you got to the bottom of your issue.
RB26 no other choice, just think how sick the giveaway car is
just did alberto dirty with the last clip lol " it doesn't matter what you think" *the rocks voice
I’ve welded the crank before and grind out the hole because if it’s walking around it probably blew out the slot on your crank.
At least you didn't snap the snout off the crank. I pulled appart an RB26 that had that happen.
What a pain good thing you got a big boost on your side
Broke the key on a 25neo before, so i machined the crank to accept a single key for both pulleys with zero issues.
i just love your vids man i will sit for 24 hrs and watch it good work man keep it up and i am 16 so i learn a lot off your vids man thx
I got a way you can repair it on car, it'll still be servicable, and won't happen again. You'll have to get a template machined so you can drill into the edge of your crank and crank pulley and timing gear at the same time and put some dowels in the holes. It should be pretty cheap to have made if you got a drawing with measurements ready to go. If the crank is gonna be junk anyways it'll be a worth a shot to try it. You just gotta get the pulley off and realign it to the right orientation before drilling the dowel locations.
You should get a rotary Alberto is so hyped when it comes to a rotary builds.
I agree with alberto a 3 rotor would be absolutely savage for that skyline
Alberto low key wishing that he went to the track😂. "It would cost u a lot of money" *alberto looks over* *realizing that money would go to him*
the balancer puller you have has that taper on one side.
the taper should be placed towards the crankshaft.
this in turn allows for a flat surface for the bolt with washer surface to stay flat 90° to the crankshaft.
use only grade 8 or better puller bolts.
tightened the main puller bolt down until it feels like you have enough pressure on it.
then whack the puller bolt end with a hammer.
you then tighten the bolt a little more and whack it again.
the shock of the hammer along with the puller force will remove the the balancer.
do not full swing the hammer to the point where you could damage the thrust bearings on the crankshaft.
It's not as bad as it seems my dudes. @Yost Built made a comment down below, the man speaks the truth. It's how we always failsafed speedway motors too. More of a common problem than you think, even in stocker daily drivers.
You should have a tv show called the 3 Bert’s with Bert, Alberto, and Roberto
Yes finally a video that’s not about the r33
Next Shirt is gonna say Jack Tuned My RB
When one goes loose the other one goes loose also. Just have to check the torque on the crank bolt more often.
That key is one of the things that concerned me putting together the RB , on JZ the crank/timing gear is welded to to the crank gear as so they dont come apart at high loads IE 500hp+, two step and high boost.
Adam you should do a Barra swap! Classic Australian engine which makes HUGE power!