Fief - Shut Up & Sit Down Review
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Fief AKA Crusader Kings: the boardgame
Santiago Sinisterra or crusader kings for people who have friends
It even has a ton of DLC...
Can you marry your horse?
Did you hear that Paradox is actually making a Crusader Kings board game?
It's been backed on kickstarter stupidly successful. They got several times the amount they asked for.
I spent much of my time, while watching this, trying to guess whether or not you were mispronouncing so many words for comic effect.
Hi, Lindybeige!
Their mispronunciations remind me of Simon Whistler, the bloke that has the Today I Found Out channel. There's hardly a single vid of his that doesn't have an hilarious example.
P.s. Love your channel btw. (Especially that rant about modern art, sublime!)
Ohai Lindy, fancy seeing you here.
Lindybeige in this video, Metatron in another... Why don't you all just make a 5 hour long video about you all playing some of these games?
He's British, it's just what they do.
@@Dinoman9877 So is Lindybeige.
I prefer to think of Fief as "Putting Fancy and Especially Important Hats on My Dudes: The Game"
Goddamnit Quinns, it's pronounced "Feef".
More precisely : fjɛf.
It actually uses the Saxon pronunciation of trailing F. It sounds more like Feefth.
Also " *Bish* uhp rick" instead of 'bi *shop* rick'
DanielHarveyDyer has
Brandon Pack- "It actually uses the Saxon pronunciation of trailing F. It sounds more like Feefth."
This is the first I've heard this. I don't know anything about Saxon pronunciation though. Where did you get your information on this? Thanks.
Quinns pronounced everything wrong and I was very upset.
I share in your feeling of upsettedness, fellow human!
We all know that "Pope" is pronounced pop-ee
Strikes me as Crusader Kings 2: The Board Game
Jerry Krane they be making a board game rn on KS
Aside from the fact that CK2's advanced video board is capable of displaying changing information more fluidly than old-fashioned physical boards. You'll never wonder how many soldiers are in an enemy army, only how the hell a loose duchy has access to _that_ many troops oh shit I forgot to check their alliances.
Sound editing gets an A+ for the BMW clip @ 6:16
Fief is one of my all time favorite games for all the reasons Quinns pointed out in the first half of the review. I don't share his feelings about the second half. He is right on some points. A streamlined euro, this game is not. The rules are absolutely convoluted, but they exist purely to support the theme. This is not a game about amazing mechanics. This is a game with super rich, evocative theme that will make you feel like a conniving feudal lord scheming for the throne, and the rules exist solely to present that theme. in this sense, they are designed much the same way as a roleplaying game; to define the limits of the imaginary reality you are playing in. Fief is tremendous fun for 5-6 players (never play it with less, as the board doesn't scale) who enjoy a rich, thematic experience of scheming, diplomacy, and treachery.
Ash1138 thank you for the advice. I found the game interesting.
Roll F to pay respects.
I get so excited for new uploads only to realize it's more old content I've already seen being migrated. Stop teasing me SUSD!!!
One of my favourite SU&SD reviews
Fantastic review. I absolutely adore Fief but completely agree with Quins' misgivings. A real beast to teach and complicated to play even if you know the rules well. The expansions are frustratingly enticing as they add so much more stuff but also increase what is already a complex game of too many rules. It's similar to twilight imperium in that way: not too complicated, just too many rules. I have the pimped out 3D strongholds and mills and the (delicious) metal deniers which all adds to the experience. Have even bought metal miniatures to replace the standee lords and ladies but still need to paint those. I too would probably prefer to play slip 'n slide but I still think it's worth the effort to learn the rules and play this game. Wish I had more friends who enjoyed these epic games. As it is I get twilight imperium to the table maybe once a year if I'm lucky (and beg people). This is an excellent game that probably deserves a (slightly) more streamlined and less unfairly random set of rules. Still one of my favorites though.
2am in the states. This uploads. Guess sleep can be skipped.
Enjoyed the review, as always with SU&SD. I read the rulebook and watched some other reviews as well. Even though the didn't recommend it, I'm optimistic this is a game for me. So I oredered it. That's the good thing with SU&SD reviews, they give you a lot of positive and negative aspects of the game. And then their subjective opinion, which is clearly labeled as being subjective, ninetheless helpful to make up your mind.
ThaineFurrows So what’s your thoughts about the game?
Bump. Hello, so, can you make any update on your opinion about this game?
Well, I'll be the third person over the course of five years to enquire what you thought of the game.
@greginfla @michaq11 @David Murphy Oh, sorry. I didn't see the notification on youtube that there were questions about the evolution of my opinion. So to make it short. I love it. There's a few drawbacks though. The rules are a bit cumbersome and fiddly at places. It could have been more elegant. Also, I think it shows it's full potential only with 5-6 players. I played it with my sons a lot (3-player games, sometimes 3-players with each playing two families) and it works, but it's not as it should be. I recently found a 2-player variant on BGG and think that one can be adapted to add AI players to fill up the empty seats. My boys and I are testing that at the moment.
I since bought all the expansions, although they are in French and Spanish, and am working myself through the rules. Like that it has become a medieval sandbox game. I'm far from having the experience with it to give a good and informed opinion. So this is only my impressions.
To me the biggest part is in the stories that develop. I don't think the game is necessarily balanced. And although there is no player elimination, one can be wiped of the board early and I think chances to recover from that are slim. Also there's a decent amount of luck involved with dice battling and card drawing. But I don't mind that since, as said before, for me it is about the story. Even when I played a game in which I lost, the things that developed on the board were always fun, interesting and worth the time.
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Gosh darn I love these old videos
I played fief and it was fun. However, every time someone would get really close to winning, someone else would have a card to completely screw that player. It was like starting the game over every time someone got close to winning. After hours of play, two people finally decided to just make an alliance and win together. And, no one wanted to stop them, because they just wanted the game to be over. It wasn't a bad game, and definitely fun, at first. But, by the end, everyone was more than ready to play something else.
diplomacy
@@ricardorix73 Exactly my experience. The winner is decided by the exhaustion of the group when they reach that point where the game is way past its welcome. It's more a role playing game really if you're so inclined. The group you're with will make or break the game.
not making any alliances until hours in sounds like a skill issue to me
Did the kids let you have a go on the slip 'n slide?
We played our first game last night. Just a few rounds with different strategies and we love it. The depth of interplay between players and the backstabbing that can go on is superb...and we are a group not into backstabby games. It doesn't feel like a game from the 80s and I have to disagree about the board...yes, it is a little difficult to see the fiefs and Bisho-pricks but that's the fog of war. It really does show how Game Of Thrones has the feel of that time just right...anyone can die at any time.
And a member of our group who prefers co-op games over fighty games had a little 'crisis' during the play as he loved it so much. The fact that the VP points are quite low means you have to go after other players and form alliances. We are really looking forward to playing our second game. With 6players it must be amazing.
5:00 This is Team Fortress 2 the Board Game
i appreciate that you talked about the playtesting process.
a very misunderstood thing.
My favourite review that you've done - nice job guys. I was all set to buy it about half way through your review and then you swept the rug from under me. Lesson learned: don't be hasty. Cheers chaps.
Don't be hasty in writing off Fief. The Chief from the Dice Tower and The Discriminating Gamer offer a very different view of the game. The game is polarizing... you may fall on the love it side just as easily as the hate it side
Thanks for letting me know - I'll get round to checking the reviews.
I have this game and love it. All the negative points you make on the game are for me among the positive aspects of it. Its a good review though and I've subscribed to your channel as a result of it but I think the game is far more fun and enjoyable than you give it credit for.
Oh this reminds me of crusader kings 2! Which is a game I love, I might give it a go
I love the question mark after the girls name at the start!
One of my favorite games. So thick with theme.
I love that firewatch poster!
How he says Fief good lord it makes me grind my teeth but I love this channel
Back in the 1990's we played FASA's The Succession Wars board game pretty much like this.
Only with far less polite and with a LOT more back room dealings.
Miss those days.
Oh, Fief is not polite at all. And as far as back room dealings goes, the game literally has a mechanic (that Quinns didn't cover) where you can spend a carrier pigeon token (you get 3 for the game) to take any players you want to a back room and make deals privately for 3 minutes. Fief is a game where there is a mechanic (marriage) that creates an actual team between two players (not just an alliance) that win the game together and also has mechanics where players can dissolve this team by murdering their spouse with a hired assassin or by marching an army against them to slay them on the battlefield. Hardly polite.
"Fief is a game about collecting hats!"
George Carlin disapproves.
Awesome game of our childhood (the game was Fief 2, before this reedit), but indeed event cards can be very randomly destructive. I remember playing, probably on the second round, "Starvation" and "Peasant revolt" combo on my brother's starting village, which spawns a lot of angry peasants, and effectively wiping him from the board before 5 minutes of play time. He literally threw the board in the air in response...
That can happen in this game too, but the amazing thing here (that Quinns didn't cover) is that you are never out of the game. Indeed, players who seem wiped out actually have a perverse advantage of sorts through diplomacy. This is due to the powerful roles in the game such as the King or the Pope. NOBODY wants a player in the lead to get one of these roles, so most often the table can be negotiated to let the player doing the worst get these roles (since they are not a threat). But then, the thing is, the power of these roles as well as the victory point the come with all of a sudden makes that player a prize to form a marriage partnership with. In Fief, it's very possible to go from the worst position in the game to victory in no time due to the diplomacy aspects of the game.
I laughed so hard watching this episode :D this is gold :D
"let me just... OOOH!" -quinns 2016
A game about collecting hats, you mean tf2?
I had a blast playing this
What _is_ the music at the beginning of the video? I can't place it and it sounds vaguely familiar ... (sounds a wee bit like Julian Bream on the lute to me).
Fife for life
Wait bishoprics? You're doing this on purpose
I know many history nerds that would love this
Seams like a faithful recreation of the real thing. 👍
that looks really sweet!
Great review. It could apply to a lot of modern games : not enough fun factor. I recently had the same experience with Agricola.
Its a shame cuz those bits and boards are Gorgeous
How practical is it for a group to retcon in some house rules to fix the failings in the design? e.g. giving certain roles at-will taxation powers with limitations.
Matt has the best faces
Hey Guys! As brutal as "Feef" is to watch, are there any current games that are similar that are not as agonizingly brutal to play?!
What's the game between Village end rampage ?
Roll Fs to pay respects
Can't believe that noone's commented on this... but
did Paul really play bongos in Jamiroquai???
Aw, Quinns... I feel you there.
Quinns forgot to mention the differences between Barons, Counts and Dukes... as well as the royal couple siring an heir. Had no problem playing it back in the 80s.
Hah! Paul does kind of look like Jay Kay with a bit of Littlefinger splashed in there
I would have liked to see a comparison with the Warrior Knights reprint from FFG. Seems like they are games that focus on similar enough themes. SUASD reviewed that game a long time ago and they liked it.
... also, i know it's not "feif", it's pronounced: "fi-eh-f".
(just so you know for the future ;) )
Waaaaiit... I've already seen this one... or have I?
Can anyone recommend an alternative to Fief 1429 that doesn't suffer from the negatives that Quinns brought up? I've heard good things about Game of Thrones but I really like the historical narrative in Fief.
There's going to be a second edition soon.
Can't believe that phone number is in there...
Quinns got to have fun with him and the good looking children after all.
Board Fifes Matter. In all seriousness, this game looks so good. So easy to miss;
Awww yis more shut Up & Sit Down
There's a card game called Ortus Regni with this theme that I really like. You each have your own fiefdom and can assassinate rivals or fight vikings, or become a bishop. You have to worry about having an heir when you reshuffle your deck.
'Fief' is pronounced 'fee-f'. Words that make the sound Quinns is using are Fife (a musical instrument and a Scottish place name) and Fyfe (a Scottish personal name).
Feed, not Fife. Otherwise, great work as always!
Between this and Crusader Knights, which would be better?
I played a game of this and won by the skin of my teeth. I think the stand out thing is that as the game progresses you elect higher and higher titles which have really complicated requirements so you have to get players to agree to elect one candidate by majority. These discussions are extremely heated and must result in one of the players getting a title so everyone is extremely involved. The next best thing is that once you've completed the requirements for winning the rest of the table has until the round ends to muster all their troops and lead one last charge to try and kill one of your nobles and it is extremely tense because no one wants to spend all their resources to gang up on another player and everyone is hoping to trick the other players into overcommiting. he game is a lot larger than the sum of its parts.
For all the people who go on about mispronunciations, you do all realise they do it on purpose! Please tell me you realise that. Go watch the Arboretum review and see them at it again. Then listen to their podcasts and hear them talk about doing it.
Omg awesome
I guess lol nice vid
Is this out of print?
The way you pronounce Fief
Hats collecting? It is Team Fortress 2 the boardgame!
I know I am sad, but I wish Quinns, Matt & Paul were my friends.
The SUSD gang are much too elite for us little serfs.
Thats a real shame. Started to sound epic. But I guess they need to sit down and rewrite those rules. Very cool review as always thanks.
As someone who owns this game, don't be too disheartened- it depends what kinda gamer you are. My gaming group is a little too... "fun" for this game. But if you've got a group of super-nerds who are happy to lose an afternoon and enjoy the fiddly details of the negotiations and the voting, then this game is worth it :)
Come on, it's not BISH-op, it's bee-SHOP!
It's like a crusader king board game
Feif? Goddamnit you teifling!
I had countless play of fief and it was really really fun. This is not for eurogamers, you got to accept: luck, kingmaking, bad luck, losing maybe 8hours of your life, because it can last very very long hahaha. Don't know if i'd play it now, i wish the new edition had it more streamlined, but theimmersion and rp aspects are great.
It is oddly hilarious to watch to watch this video, especially the part where they are explaining marriage, and using the genderswap filter on Snapchat
well? did you have a go?
I wonder how he feels about this game compared to Oath
Maybe someone needs to tweak the rules to make it a little less random and a little more strategic.
To me it seems like Fief makes a better roleplaying game with some strategic elements, than a full-fledged strategy game.
Which Canadian city is Paul in?
Vancouver, BC. It also looks like to me that he is at the Creekside Park near the Science World at TELUS World of Science.
It made me homesick...
Fief... This word is kinda in the same tone as Covfefe....
Where do I get Red Pants?!!?
0:51... whos phone number is that then matt...
Did he get to ride the slip n slide?
pretty sure it's a british Thief, like in bath being pronounced Ba:f. Fief.
So mutch rules it will blow ur brains out
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CK2- The board game.
fief? Five?
Do we recommend Fief? Fief? Fief? No.
Envious not jealous
It sounds like the Middle Ages. And, strangely, Twilight Imperium. Only, y'all didn't like it.
Sorry in advance. Fief, it rhymes with thief.
Otherwise great review though as we come to expect with Shut Up & Sit Down.
FEEF. Not FYFE. FEEF. Once more for effect : FEEF
It's amazing how many board games from the 80s are just worse versions of later video games.
"Hitler - a bit disappointing person. " - Q.
Argh, "Feif"?!? literally unwatchable.
Seems similar to Dune
FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEF
I thought it was pronounced like "feef"???
Just play twilight imperium 4 instead
I think they are completely different. This game requires a lot more cooperation and two players with shitty armies have a decent chance of ganging up on one player with a huge army.