Hi, I restore Winchester 1892 rifles. I just finished one that was not much different than your find. I have old parts left over and if you want to put wood or other parts on your rifle or even relive the barrel let me know. I even have an extra octagon barrel that is reclined in its original 38WCF caliber. I may give them to you or help you restore yours with either parts labor and advice. Let me know, will give you my email and if you email me I’ll give you my phone number. Let me know, cause I restored an M1 Garland last year that was found in the bottom of a small lake in way worse condition than you 1892.
Hi! Still into 1892s? I have an oldie that needs a few parts. Loading gate, sights and it's a 32 w/octagonal brl, mfg 1898. Please let me know if you can help. Thank ya!
I know it’s a long shot as your comment is 4 years old but I’ve got a 3 digit 92 Winchester that’s in good shape but the barrel was replaced with a later style barrel and I’m look for one with the period correct barrel markings. Any chance you would have one for sale? It’s a 38-40. Not sure if the original barrel was round or octagonal but it doesn’t matter too much to me as long as it has the right stamping. Thanks in advance
@@srballistics7176 see if you can get a record from Winchester that might state if the barrel was round or octagon. A 3 digit is probably worth a lot if it is correct.
Judging by the mix of metal on site, especially with bed springs present, it wouldn't surprise me if a house or cabin once stood on that site that burned down and the rifle deemed unsalvagable .
Anything is restorable. I rebuilt old Harley’s in the 80’s and 90’s. Many of these restorations would sit in living rooms never getting oil or gas. Restore it!! It’s historic even if you hang it on a wall.
Last year I restored an 1890 Winchester 22WRF for my cousin. He found it 48 years ago when he was helping his father repair fences. It was in about the same shape as that one. He gave it to me as a relic believing it could never be restored. I took a pool from our family and gathered $700 for the project. first thing I had the barrel relined and did most of the rest of the work myself with the help of Ebay and gun broker I found all of the screws, springs and stock. We gave it to him last summer at a family reunion and he just about cried, had a really hard time convincing him that it was really his rifle. He loves it and it's a great little rifle with some true family history. Shoots pretty darn nice! and it's a pretty nice looking little rifle also. If you're going to throw that rifle away?.... I'll send you my address and money for shipping ;)
Very cool find. I have one about like it that was found leaning against a tree in the woods of northern Idaho. I was told by a Winchester collector that it is worth more as is than restored.
you should conserve it in 20 years it will be dust i would contact mark novak of anvil gun smithing and ask him about it he has a youtube channel as well
I would gamble tossed as scrap in the Depression most likely. Reminds me of a find I made a couple years back. I plowed up a break action revolver in my garden...
Your finds appear to be consistent with a wreck of a horse drawn wagon, could be a buckboard, or a stagecoach? Further excavation might help solve that mystery. The "Bed Springs" that you mentioned are the springs from the seat. No one would willingly discard such a valuable firearm, when they are found such a relic condition, the owner almost certainly would have deceased, as a surviving victim of a wagon accident would certainly search out a lost firearm such as this. It is very possible that human remains are present, and careful excavation of the area should be done to help solve the mystery.
You don't think anyone would discard such a valuable firearm? You don't know about old women and guns then. When my grandfather died my grandmother tried to get my dad to carry all of his guns off to the local landfill. Needless to say, he just took them back to his house and told her he got rid of them. This isn't the first case that I've heard of this happening either. For some bizarre reason old women don't much like guns around the house after their husbands die.
I would tend to agree on the wagon story. Even if the driver had stopped or got robbed, horses got spooked and the wagon took off and ultimately got tangled up in a ditch, you would find horse remains even if a predator drug off piece by piece. Those two "S" pieces with rings are Hames pulling collar lateral tack strap rails.....the leather collar and pad are gone, but I'd keep them and hang them on a wall as well.
What a great find your lady had! Well done, just preserve, leave as is, don't mess it up trying to take its history away and make it something it's not. Find a really great piece of figured wood and mount rifle on it with good description label and just hang on the wall, a far better "talking"point or conversation piece and very desireable to many I am sure, for exactly what it is.
Maybe an old barn burned down or something like that. It would explain the wood being gone completely, but who knows? Extremely cool find though. I love stuff like that because of the mystery of its history.
If it's been sat outside, the wood would have rotted away over time, same with the brass sights. The bluing is exceptionally good for it's age, despite the rust.
Maybe someone mentioned this already, but if that’s a factory half magazine I think that’s a special order feature. If so, it might have had others like fancy wood. A factory letter from Cody, Wy. Will give all info on how it left the factory. What a great find.
That's awesome! If you look at some videos on here, son of the stuff people restore is in far worse condition. I would just say from my firearm experience that it probably just wouldn't be all too accurate but who cares!!! It would be cool as heck to fire every now and then and hang on the mantle. And if you found that many wagon parts, those springs could have also been from the seats👍 thanks for sharing!!!
That rifle is salvageable. If the rifling is too far gone, it could be drilled out and turned into a 44 WCF. I believe that it could be made to look brand new again
You should also check on those wagon pieces they could be from the 1800's as well. If they are you need to do a history check on your land. It could be full of interesting things.
That bent metal” plot parts” at 1:29 looks like the frame of a horse collar… A horse collar is a huge padded collar that goes around a horses neck, and that metal part is the exterior skeleton of the collar.
Ask yourself if all of these items are consistent with what would have been on a horse drawn wagon of the late 1800s or early 1900's... Do all of the "artifacts" belong to the same era? Those "bed springs" might be wagon seat springs or maybe the wagon was packing a mattress. The dry goods and horse tack got me to theorizing. Just a thought. If you find horse or human bones, I guess you have your answer. They would likely be away from the site due to animal predation but should be near.
@@5yearplan269 That rifle really isn't in that bad of shape considering how long it likely sat out there.. If the serial is 7227 it was made in 1892 and is a first year production rifle. The sights were brass and likely corroded over time and fell apart. I'm an avid firearms collector and loved this video, thanks for sharing it with us.
Not yet. It still sits in the barn soaking in diesel. hope to start cleaning it up soon. Its in pretty bad shape but will make a great wall hanger. Thanks for watching.
There is a laser process which will remove every trace of rust, and the process is non destructive. I saw it here on YT. However, I'd go with some of the suggestions offered in the comments section before paying for commercial/industrial rust removal services at this stage!
the sights were made from iron which rots faster than blued metal made not to rust . i want to buy that from you and I want to try to make it into a working weapon again .
thats a once in a lifetime find. as someone else mentioned, i dont believe this is a garbage pile so much as its actually a scene of old time drama of some sort. a wagon wreck, or maybe settler that got in an altercation of some kind. that would explain why youre finding so many fittings for wagon harnesses, wagon parts, and the hammer on the rifle is cocked back. what state/province is this if you dont mind me asking?
Once you get it cleaned up if the inside isn't to rough you could probly get it shooting again I've seen some pretty rough looking guns get brought back to life take it to or mail it to a qualified gunsmith and he'll be able to tell you for sure
No-no it ain't too far gone looks like surface rust and some pitting. Look on TH-cam you will find massive amounts of WW1 and WW2 vids and all of them were restored. Even when severely corroded.
Read some of your comments, any news on whether or not you got any progress done on it? And if you've changed your mind about not being for sale, lmk ;)
Logan Avery sorry it’s still not for sale, and sadly I haven’t found the time to start the restore.... something else always gets in the way. But I’ll get to it eventually. Thanks for watching.
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@5 Year Plan adirondacks keep in mind back in those days, not everyone could get glasses, all it would take is to turn around to go pee and Oops you lost your gun, almost happened to me years ago even with my glasses,from the looks of it, it may have only been there as little as 15 -20 years maybe even less not necessarily 50-70 someone may have been hunting and started digging around in the junk looking for treasures and then couldn't find it, that thing looks like it's been sitting in the Arizona desert, so being from NY myself I doubt it saw that many winters or the acid rain you guys got in the 70s some stoner probably lost it in the 80s or early 90s
Its still in the works.Soaking it in diesel for a few months didnt loosen it up any. But I'll get it. I will make a video of it when I get it finished. Thanks for watching!
i used a mix of 50/50 acetone and automatic transmission fluid to strip all the rust of a few old axe heads i found on a mates property, might be worth a try, it will patina the steel though
You can never, ever write off an old Winchester like that. To begin with they are always restorable and you may think that that rifle would never be able to shoot again but I can tell you from experience that the rifle is one of the best rifles John Browning developed for Winchester and was designed to be very heavy duty. You have a piece of History that you rarely come across. Think about trying to take the gun to a qualified gunsmith and take it apart and unload it. I'm pretty sure there is a live round in that rifle also so be very careful with it. Good luck. I will offer to buy it from you. Answer my comment and we can go from there.
I’ve restored Winchesters in worse shape than that!… No kidding! You should at a minimum get som wood and hang it over the fireplace… give it some love, it’s a “true” cowboy era rifle and a piece of history.
Well it's kinda messed up now since you kinda scratched up the barrel trying to find out the make and the back of it for the serial number. One thing never do is use a Dremel or Sand paper on something that old. Value drops alot.
Properly sanding & even fileing will increase the value, we tell people to leave them alone because most people don't have the knowledge or skill to do it properly
Hi, I restore Winchester 1892 rifles. I just finished one that was not much different than your find. I have old parts left over and if you want to put wood or other parts on your rifle or even relive the barrel let me know. I even have an extra octagon barrel that is reclined in its original 38WCF caliber. I may give them to you or help you restore yours with either parts labor and advice. Let me know, will give you my email and if you email me I’ll give you my phone number. Let me know, cause I restored an M1 Garland last year that was found in the bottom of a small lake in way worse condition than you 1892.
Gary Elsik please make videos !!!
Do you have any experience fixing headspace on an 1892? My locking blocks don’t fill the mortise and there’s slop in the bolt because of it.
Hi! Still into 1892s? I have an oldie that needs a few parts. Loading gate, sights and it's a 32 w/octagonal brl, mfg 1898. Please let me know if you can help. Thank ya!
I know it’s a long shot as your comment is 4 years old but I’ve got a 3 digit 92 Winchester that’s in good shape but the barrel was replaced with a later style barrel and I’m look for one with the period correct barrel markings. Any chance you would have one for sale? It’s a 38-40. Not sure if the original barrel was round or octagonal but it doesn’t matter too much to me as long as it has the right stamping. Thanks in advance
@@srballistics7176 see if you can get a record from Winchester that might state if the barrel was round or octagon. A 3 digit is probably worth a lot if it is correct.
Wow i have 2 Winchester 1882 the octagon shape they're both of my great grandpa
That curved metal is curved part from Draft horse yoke
Awesome find of the rifle
I found an old Winchester model 94 in the same condition and I cleaned it up slapped some new wood and it fires just fine
My land looks just like yours. My blackberry patch was full of old forgotten tools. I just found a shovel today.
Judging by the mix of metal on site, especially with bed springs present, it wouldn't surprise me if a house or cabin once stood on that site that burned down and the rifle deemed unsalvagable .
It is rebuildable. Don’t throw away those cast iron wagon parts either! Nothing like a hot fire to eat rust
Thanks for the info and for watching!
Anything is restorable. I rebuilt old Harley’s in the 80’s and 90’s. Many of these restorations would sit in living rooms never getting oil or gas. Restore it!! It’s historic even if you hang it on a wall.
Last year I restored an 1890 Winchester 22WRF for my cousin. He found it 48 years ago when he was helping his father repair fences. It was in about the same shape as that one. He gave it to me as a relic believing it could never be restored. I took a pool from our family and gathered $700 for the project. first thing I had the barrel relined and did most of the rest of the work myself with the help of Ebay and gun broker I found all of the screws, springs and stock. We gave it to him last summer at a family reunion and he just about cried, had a really hard time convincing him that it was really his rifle. He loves it and it's a great little rifle with some true family history. Shoots pretty darn nice! and it's a pretty nice looking little rifle also. If you're going to throw that rifle away?.... I'll send you my address and money for shipping ;)
Very cool find. I have one about like it that was found leaning against a tree in the woods of northern Idaho. I was told by a Winchester collector that it is worth more as is than restored.
Believe it was Nevada, and it is now in a museum.
you should conserve it
in 20 years it will be dust i would contact mark novak of anvil gun smithing and ask him about it
he has a youtube channel as well
@@norseman5041 are you dumb
I would gamble tossed as scrap in the Depression most likely. Reminds me of a find I made a couple years back. I plowed up a break action revolver in my garden...
c s that’s a sweet find as well. Wish we could hear the stories they could tell! Thanks for watching.
Omg that thing is in excellent condition!!!!!!
Sweet rifle. Great find. Congratulations!
Thanks for watching!
Your finds appear to be consistent with a wreck of a horse drawn wagon, could be a buckboard, or a stagecoach?
Further excavation might help solve that mystery.
The "Bed Springs" that you mentioned are the springs from the seat.
No one would willingly discard such a valuable firearm, when they are found such a relic condition, the owner almost certainly would have deceased, as a surviving victim of a wagon accident would certainly search out a lost firearm such as this.
It is very possible that human remains are present, and careful excavation of the area should be done to help solve the mystery.
You don't think anyone would discard such a valuable firearm? You don't know about old women and guns then. When my grandfather died my grandmother tried to get my dad to carry all of his guns off to the local landfill. Needless to say, he just took them back to his house and told her he got rid of them. This isn't the first case that I've heard of this happening either. For some bizarre reason old women don't much like guns around the house after their husbands die.
I would tend to agree on the wagon story. Even if the driver had stopped or got robbed, horses got spooked and the wagon took off and ultimately got tangled up in a ditch, you would find horse remains even if a predator drug off piece by piece.
Those two "S" pieces with rings are Hames pulling collar lateral tack strap rails.....the leather collar and pad are gone, but I'd keep them and hang them on a wall as well.
@@wizardofahhhs759 very true
What a great find your lady had!
Well done, just preserve, leave as is, don't mess it up trying to take its history away and make it something it's not.
Find a really great piece of figured wood and mount rifle on it with good description label and just hang on the wall, a far better "talking"point or conversation piece and very desireable to many I am sure, for exactly what it is.
It can be restored If your not interested in keeping it put it on one of the auction sights you might be very surprised at what it will go for.
Sweet Rifle Find!!!
I have a Winchester 1892, too, in .44 magnum but it is a current Japanese production. It shoots great.
Wow!! What a cool find!
Maybe an old barn burned down or something like that. It would explain the wood being gone completely, but who knows? Extremely cool find though. I love stuff like that because of the mystery of its history.
If it's been sat outside, the wood would have rotted away over time, same with the brass sights. The bluing is exceptionally good for it's age, despite the rust.
Maybe someone mentioned this already, but if that’s a factory half magazine I think that’s a special order feature. If so, it might have had others like fancy wood. A factory letter from Cody, Wy. Will give all info on how it left the factory. What a great find.
Very cool!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
That's awesome! If you look at some videos on here, son of the stuff people restore is in far worse condition. I would just say from my firearm experience that it probably just wouldn't be all too accurate but who cares!!! It would be cool as heck to fire every now and then and hang on the mantle. And if you found that many wagon parts, those springs could have also been from the seats👍 thanks for sharing!!!
Cool find, keep digging!
Pretty awesome find! Probably a real cool story with it
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whoever told you that you can't get it working again is wrong !!!!
jesusoftheapes very wrong
For sure!I restored vastly worse condition guns and this one is clearly very easy to make it fire again!
That rifle is salvageable. If the rifling is too far gone, it could be drilled out and turned into a 44 WCF. I believe that it could be made to look brand new again
Reboring vs relining
I'd reline it.
Its very good conditioned so the wood shouldnt be missing, ich found many rifles here in Europe.
Patrick, your German in showing
You should also check on those wagon pieces they could be from the 1800's as well. If they are you need to do a history check on your land. It could be full of interesting things.
Check with Thurnball weapon restoration to see if it can be saved!
That bent metal” plot parts” at 1:29 looks like the frame of a horse collar…
A horse collar is a huge padded collar that goes around a horses neck, and that metal part is the exterior skeleton of the collar.
Cool find
Ask yourself if all of these items are consistent with what would have been on a horse drawn wagon of the late 1800s or early 1900's...
Do all of the "artifacts" belong to the same era?
Those "bed springs" might be wagon seat springs or maybe the wagon was packing a mattress.
The dry goods and horse tack got me to theorizing.
Just a thought.
If you find horse or human bones, I guess you have your answer. They would likely be away from the site due to animal predation but should be near.
Awesome find!!! Just make sure that it's not loaded and hang it on the wall.
Any updates on the found rifle, would like to see progress made.
Still saving $$
@@5yearplan269 That rifle really isn't in that bad of shape considering how long it likely sat out there.. If the serial is 7227 it was made in 1892 and is a first year production rifle. The sights were brass and likely corroded over time and fell apart. I'm an avid firearms collector and loved this video, thanks for sharing it with us.
Awesome
wow that is so cool
I say clean it up put a stock and foregrip on it and have it as a wall hanger
Clean it up you can get new stocks for it an make wallhanger
Cool find indeed. ........did you get the stocks for it and mount it?
Not yet. It still sits in the barn soaking in diesel. hope to start cleaning it up soon. Its in pretty bad shape but will make a great wall hanger. Thanks for watching.
Coolest thing ever love history
Fix that up and see if it still shots that would be pretty cool
There is a laser process which will remove every trace of rust, and the process is non destructive. I saw it here on YT.
However, I'd go with some of the suggestions offered in the comments section before paying for commercial/industrial rust removal services at this stage!
I would love to metal detect your property. What state are you in?
Very cool, thanks for sharing
the sights were made from iron which rots faster than blued metal made not to rust . i want to buy that from you and I want to try to make it into a working weapon again .
Did you have this rifle cleaned up and restored? Like Gary Elsik offered to help you do?
Carl Love still saving some $$$
Did you take the guy up on restoring it for you (below)? You should restore it!
electrolysis will make that gun look brand new.
Yep, that's what I was going to say..
The TH-cam video "Andre does it"
has fixed worse firearms that this.
thats a once in a lifetime find. as someone else mentioned, i dont believe this is a garbage pile so much as its actually a scene of old time drama of some sort. a wagon wreck, or maybe settler that got in an altercation of some kind. that would explain why youre finding so many fittings for wagon harnesses, wagon parts, and the hammer on the rifle is cocked back. what state/province is this if you dont mind me asking?
tidy it up a little and turn it into a lamp. Great conversation piece and it will look cool.
Oh she will run still for sure.
Once you get it cleaned up if the inside isn't to rough you could probly get it shooting again I've seen some pretty rough looking guns get brought back to life take it to or mail it to a qualified gunsmith and he'll be able to tell you for sure
bosstube thanks for the info. It’s been one of those “to do” things for a while now. Thanks for watching.
U need to restore it
No-no it ain't too far gone looks like surface rust and some pitting. Look on TH-cam you will find massive amounts of WW1 and WW2 vids and all of them were restored. Even when severely corroded.
Read some of your comments, any news on whether or not you got any progress done on it? And if you've changed your mind about not being for sale, lmk ;)
Logan Avery sorry it’s still not for sale, and sadly I haven’t found the time to start the restore.... something else always gets in the way. But I’ll get to it eventually. Thanks for watching.
I love my invasive blackberries. I have 5 acres Upstate New York. Just got it. Im keeping my blackberries. I have lots of trash pits too. Where are you?
Middle of the Adirondacks
@5 Year Plan adirondacks keep in mind back in those days, not everyone could get glasses, all it would take is to turn around to go pee and Oops you lost your gun, almost happened to me years ago even with my glasses,from the looks of it, it may have only been there as little as 15 -20 years maybe even less not necessarily 50-70 someone may have been hunting and started digging around in the junk looking for treasures and then couldn't find it, that thing looks like it's been sitting in the Arizona desert, so being from NY myself I doubt it saw that many winters or the acid rain you guys got in the 70s some stoner probably lost it in the 80s or early 90s
wow awesome find, did you manage to get it cleaned up?
Its still in the works.Soaking it in diesel for a few months didnt loosen it up any. But I'll get it. I will make a video of it when I get it finished. Thanks for watching!
i used a mix of 50/50 acetone and automatic transmission fluid to strip all the rust of a few old axe heads i found on a mates property, might be worth a try, it will patina the steel though
Thanks for the info, I'll give it a try. The patina might just give it more character and look better than re-bluing it anyway. Thanks again.
@@5yearplan269 did you ever do anything with it?
@@chefstevenofspecialsoup4375 not yet…. Had some “life” happen and it got moved to the back burner. I’ve still got it tho.
Def. Not trash. That has to be a crash site from travler back in the day.
the 1892 action is strong. rebarrel it in 357, 44 mag or other cartridge. wd that action, spray it good, see if you can get her working.
Noooo!!!! Not that early. They had waayyy better steel later on in production.
You can never, ever write off an old Winchester like that. To begin with they are always restorable and you may think that that rifle would never be able to shoot again but I can tell you from experience that the rifle is one of the best rifles John Browning developed for Winchester and was designed to be very heavy duty. You have a piece of History that you rarely come across. Think about trying to take the gun to a qualified gunsmith and take it apart and unload it. I'm pretty sure there is a live round in that rifle also so be very careful with it. Good luck. I will offer to buy it from you. Answer my comment and we can go from there.
Did you ever restore this gun?
D0nt worry Abt it not yet.... saving up some $$$
I want that gun
I’ve restored Winchesters in worse shape than that!… No kidding!
You should at a minimum get som wood and hang it over the fireplace… give it some love, it’s a “true” cowboy era rifle and a piece of history.
What became of your find, did you restore it?
Still laying on the work bench..... someday I’ll get at it.
@@5yearplan269 Do you have other leverguns?
look up the channel proto ordnance. he has restored far worse to functional.
Thanks for the info!
@@5yearplan269 trying soaking it in PB blaster that's some good stuff for Rusty bolts and parts to get things moving I've used it alot
I doubt someone threw it out those rifles back then were premium rifles
What state are you in?
Upstate NY
Well it's kinda messed up now since you kinda scratched up the barrel trying to find out the make and the back of it for the serial number. One thing never do is use a Dremel or Sand paper on something that old. Value drops alot.
Properly sanding & even fileing will increase the value, we tell people to leave them alone because most people don't have the knowledge or skill to do it properly
Did he ever rebuild it????
The Hammered Airsoft Smith I haven’t gotten to it yet. Still sitting on the bench. When I do I’ll post a video. Thanks for watching.
Soak it in molasses and water mix for a couple of weeks.
Its made 1893
Some read dead redemption 2 type stuff
if you want to sell it, let me know. I would re-store it make authentic stocks for it.
Norse Man I’m going to keep it and do the same. Thanks for watching.
Awesome find, once in a lifetime. I would do the same :-)
Turnbull will make it new
38 40 cal win 92
Can I have it pls
send it to, turn bull restorations. they can restore it.
ya, for about $5000.00 plus!!
Someone died there in 1675
Yu faund my gun .lol
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