This was quite the rabbit hole... (Ryzen 9 9900X vs 7800X3D gaming benchmark investigation)
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- There is a gaming benchmark of the Ryzen 9 9900X. I tried to investigate how it stacked up against my 7800X3D, which ended up being quite a bit more complicated than I thought it would be.
Sources: wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-9900...
www.techpowerup.com/323185/ha...
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14:54 for those that want the actual comparison result...
Wait for X3D.
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@@Games_and_TechMr roboto
... or more intelligently, without making a conclusion based on a claim with missing information and without a comparison based on a screen shot of a score run on an unknown system with unknown settings and trying to read too much into it, wait until release and proper benchmarks, as usual.
I'd be happy if these new chips depress the 7000 pricing in any way - then just get a 7800x3d 😅
I'll sell you mine when the 9900x3D comes out
If you live in the US near a Microcenter you might wanna check out the 7800X3D bundles.
7000 didn’t really affect 5000X3D…. We will see though. Even then 7700X was just as fast as 5800X3D, so X3D wouldn’t really be necessary. They’re great but hardly a great value.
7000x3d didnt affect 5000x3d prices because they are on a different platform
@@jlchavis0844 wont be much of an upgrade. 7800x3d is already to much cpu lol
I’m interested in the future 9800x3D only. It’s going to be good and judging by the TDP of these 9000 CPUs, it’s not going to be a nuclear reactor. That’s all I need lol
? They're no worse than 7000... And some 8 core variants are lower. But let's wait for launch reviews and not take pre launch manufacturer claims as anything but worthless puff.
Also go back and look at the eco mode benchmarks, you can run the dual ccd zen4 CPUs at laptop-like power numbers and lose almost nothing in almost all use cases
The cache on zen 5 is so big that they might not need x3D variants.
@@ZackSNetworkliterally same L3 cache amount as Zen 4
and Zen 3
and Zen 2
@@ZackSNetwork they only increased the l1 cache, from 64kb to 80kb, whilst l1 instruction cache remained the same, l1 data cache increased from 32 to 48kb per core
@@ZackSNetworkthe 3D cache increases the performance by quite a lot. This is not a normal cache. The 3D cache has much better throughput than normal cache, and you can actually observe it using Aida64 benchmark. See the normal X and X3D. The same ammount of cache in X3D will have 10%Avg in performance increase
absolute goat. really appreciate you noticing this stuff and putting a spotlight on it. To me this type of content is the MOST valuable thing youtube does for the average gamer.
Its not even right comparison. Wait till new x3d comes out.
ryzen 9000 coming out soon and the 5800x3d cpu still at the same launch prince here in my country
Move countries
ye because the 5800x is am4
Then your retailers are ripping you off. Try seeing if retailers in sort-of-close countries will ship to you.
in my country, 5600x only like 10~20 us dollars cheaper than 7500f. It's crazy
@@Cool-kk2vl 5600 is the one that usually has low price, 5600x are quite a bit more expensive..
Nice ' investigation '
Also, looks about right. I expect the 7800X3D to simply be faster.
Yes x3d is better reason to wait for 9800x3d
@@Jason_Bover9000 really depends, the 7600 was just the same perf as the 5800x3d, losing and winning in some games. We don't know where the 9000 series leads
@@Jason_Bover9000I wonder if, for those who have a 4090, upgrading from 7800X3D to 9800X3D will even be noticeable, considering how the 4090 bottlenecks even at 4K quite often…
@George-um2vc Probably not, if you're playing at 1440p or especially 4k your cpu just isn't the bottleneck, it's all gpu. I only play at 1440p and got a 7800x3d because it was on sale and the value was just too good over everything else for my usage.
But realistically I Probably would have been fine with something else, I only have a 7900xtx so maybe it'd be different with a 4090.
@@beeman4266 yeah 4090 bottlenecks even 7800X3D, trust me I got 4090
10:03
When you're using FSR 3 Quality at 1080p for example, the game will render at 720p and then upscale it to 1080p (Native monitor resolution)
Biased mode will make the upscaler, upscale the 720p image to 4K and then downscale it to 1080p. This usually gives slightly better image quality since the upscaler generates more pixels to fit a 4K output. (There is a slight performance cost)
So in short for FSR 3 Quality at 1080p->
Fixed: 720p-> 1080p
Biased: 720p->2160p->1080p
We appreciate your time you put in
Building a 7800x3d PC this weekend. Seems like it's gonna be alright for at least a couple of generations
That cpu is a beast
Use the same settings and drop in a 7900x
up
Doesnt seem right Daniel. The 7900x is only 5-15% slower than the 7800x3d in most games. If the 9900x is 20% slower than the 7800x3d it also means the chip is slow than last gen. I think the methodology is flawed. Nothing conclusive can be made from here. Try and drop in the 7900x and see the difference to your current results. It'll show u how far off u probably are.
@@MrIsmaeltaleb85 According to Tom's Hardware, the 7900x is about 25% slower on average. The 7900x3D may be what you're thinking about?
@chrisnesbitt_jr
I never use Toms Hardware bro. His site is full of ads and shit.
Techspot and Guru3d are my picks.
Techspot Quote 7800x3d review.
"When compared to the 13700K, we're looking at a 6% performance uplift which is still pretty small overall and then just an 11% boost over the standard 7700X"
Guru3d have it at 4% faster than a 13900k. All this is with a rtx 4090, not a 7900xtx. Theres about 5 games where the 7800x3d is 25%+ faster than all other chips but there lighter games with massive fps. In games similar to Avatar (according to the above mentioned media outlets) the X3d chip is between 0 and 10% faster than a 7700x/7900x non 3d.
@@chrisnesbitt_jrTom quotes this "The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is 12% faster in 1080p gaming than the $580 Core i9-13900K". He must test with games that respond well with vcache. Most other reputable sites have it at around 5%. They test with a wide variety of titles.
Good to know that the 7800X3D I just got is still relevant, don't wanna be upset with my new build once the 9000 Series comes out.
You wont be. The 7800x3d will be relevant for the next 5 years at least. Just got mine a few months ago. I couldnt be happier
You'll be good for years
Same. I built my PC in February. I knew the 9000 series was going to come out at some point this year, but the price was right and the 7800X3D is the cream of the crop to this day. I might go 9800X3D depending on cost, resale value of my 7800X3D, and performance increase.
lool upset with ur new build, so what if the new gen had a bit more performance you would feel bad? Spoiled little shit lol
you shouldn't be. I am still rocking 1950X and waiting for 9000X3D series. Upgrading CPU more than every 3-4 years is waste of money for most people. If you want to make your friends jealous I would suggest finding some other way that is not as expensive, preferably skill that makes you earn money instead of loosing it.
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7800 x 3d will be good to go for another five years. I don't see why would anyone change that kind of cou for anything if they's mostly into gaming.
5090 might bottleneck it.
@@CrystronHalq I doubt it.
@@Mako2401 4090 is already on verge of bottlenecking it I believe.
@@CrystronHalq That GPU battlenecks every CPU.
5 yrs? Nah it will be bottlenecked by RTX 6000 and RDNA 5
Will continue to wait for 9800x3d
Unless they drop the 7800x3d under $200
@@carrickdubya4765 they won't. even the 5800x3d still costs more than that
I love it when School is out and Daniel has time to nerd his way down a rabbit hole for us lol!
This has always secretly been a math channel.
First time watching your channel and this is definitely right down my alley and something I would for sure do myself! Love it! (Also really liked how you moved yourself around to point out things haha)
Conclusion, benchmark is easily manipulated to achieve desired outcome.
It is easier to try to extrapolate the performance metrics with AMD IPC gaming chart.
From the Horizon benchmarks, the 9950x would be 14% faster than the 7800x3D...
From the F1 2023 benchmarks, the 9950x would be 16% faster than the 7800x3D...
Surprising results, while for DOTA 2 the 9950x would be 11% slower than the 7800x3D...
1440p and 4K is usually where i game at so i would like to see how the CPU performs in higher resolutions. Cant wait to see some bemchmarks for the review chips they send out.
Can we just get a gpu that renders 4k straight out of the box without having to go through so many hoops only to have the image renders at 1080p? I remember games used to have 1080p, 2k or 4k settings which we can choose to render our games.
not only is the cpu usage on the x3d lower, the gpu is higher as well.
i don't think those settings are it but i still don't think non x3d parts are going to beat x3d or at the very least they should be very close to each other.
also as you said, drivers/mb bios etc should make a big difference as well.
7800X3D is around 20% faster than 7700X in gaming at 1080p. If the 9000 series is +20% performance uplift (i compared cinebench scores from 7950x and 9950x and the later is 20% faster), the 9700x should be around the same as 7800X3D.
When we went from 5000 to 7000, the 7000 parts were on par with 5800X3D in gaming.
Untill you run into place like Ellison square in cp2077 at high crowd and see that 7700x cant keep up with 5800x3d and 7600x get obliterated buy it with mid/high range GPU at 1440p high/ultra . When x3d counts it makes big difference.. I dont expect that any new Rysen will be even close to 7800x3d in these cpu intesive scenarios.. 8 cores with 3d cash is perefect for gaming at this point, higher freqv. the better..
@@roki977Non-3D Ryzen desperately need tuned RAM. Tightened subtimings, for example, may provide massive improvement in some rare extreme cases, like the one you are talking about. Once you tune RAM on both CPUs, Zen 4 non-3D get about 12-15% performance gain, while 5800X3D gets just about 3-5%.
The 7000 series had a much bigger clock jump than the 9000 series, and it switched to DDR5, which made up for the lack of cache compared to the 5800X3D. It will be much harder for the 9000 series to compete with 7000X3D in gaming.
To be honest, the 8-core 9700X seems like a pretty pointless CPU. You either want the cheapest 6-core, or you want X3D for gaming, or you want more cores for productivity.
If content creator spent time with the 6 games AMD used to show 9950x faster than 14900k and made a 14900k vs 7800x3D on those same games, he would have taken 1\3 of time he spent doing whatever he did on this video, and concluded that 7800X3D 20% faster than 9900x didn't make sense.
Bravo👍
Reading these comments, how many are confident that he does a "great job" with this comparison, it wouldn't surprise me that those fools spread this over the net like a plague, claiming this as a fact.🤦♂️
Guys, what do you think, which processor deserves more 7800x3d or 7900x3d because I saw that there is a very small price difference between them?
Keep in mind that your memory timings play a huge part on AMD latency. The tighter the timings 1:1:1 and the lower the number will produce up to 15% boost in certain games, and work loads!
The scaling mode is does the following. Fixed stays at a fixed resolution based on the DLSS or FSR settings and expected resolution output at those settings. Biased checks the GPU for additional headroom and if there is any it will pump out higher resolution out than what is expect at a given DLSS or FSR scaling factor.
Example:
2560x1440
DLSS
Ultra Quality
2133x1200 - Fixed
2304x1296 - Biased
The Biased output will be highly variably, with an average, and tries to reach for the highest possible resolution possible given the GPU headroom available.
We also don't know, at least from the article, what the ram speed was for the 9900x. This may or may not make much of a difference, Amd implied that the improvements to the infinity fabric, "might" , result in different higher speeds being the sweet spot above the current 6000 timing. depending on if its slower or faster ram could effect the final score.
I have a 7800x3d, When we get a 9800x3D and I'm sure we will i may just do a drop in upgrade and sell my older CPU. All depends on the real uplift and if its worth it. I play 4k maxed settings so chances are i wont have to upgrade as ill get like 1 fps more. Once we get to end of support for my Asrock X670E Steel Legend motherboard ill grab the newest CPU that fits and keep it for as long as i can. Id assume a least 1 or 2 more GPU generations. Normally if you have a high end CPU it lasts much longer then a high end GPU IMO. As long as the focus is gaming and not productivity that's CPU dependent of course.
I've been gaming since the late 80's. The graphic settings of games has never been more complicated than right now
It's evolution... everything changes, this is no different
@@relentless1256 doesn't mean it needs to evolve into needlessly convoluted and confusing
There are just more options
there are more visual fetures so obviously you will have more options available. Its a great thing to have more control I really dont get your point
Then you obviously haven't because you never heard of glide, direct x, software rendering, hardware rendering, EGA, CGA, composite etc etc etc etc etc
I’m good with 7800x3d until Black Friday 2025 for first price drops on 9800x3d and RTX 5060.
Happy to see some testing, but am looking forward to Ryzen 9000 reviews. I am a gamer but X3D's lack of overall performance improvement due to clock speed and single threaded performance reduction, in addition to there being many gaming scenarios which benefit very little, is what puts me off of them.
Very happy with my 7950X currently and would probably opt for a non-X3D as an upgrade if they still have the single threaded and overall performance advantage, I don't really care for the extreme frame rates in certain scenarios.
On the other hand, if they manage to close the single threaded gap with Ryzen 9000X3D... mmm (doubtful though)
Also remember the 5800X3D performs on par with a 7700X, which had a 18% IPC uplift, but that's not including the revamp of the memory subsystem from DDR4 to DDR5 which is not factored into the IPC uplift and depending on how demanding the game is on the memory subsystem this can change quite a bit. E.g you might me using DDR5 6000CL30 but they could be using DDR5 4800CL38 JDEC sooo trying to do a apples to apples comparison is impressive but unfortunately it's kinda futile.
Just from memory on a 7700X going from 4800CL38 to 6000CL36 there is a up to a 14% difference in performance.
About scaling mode. In theory, it can be used instead of integer scaling. FSR\DLSS → 1080p → 4k screen. The same mode will work if you use integer scaling in driver with 1080p game resolution on 4k Screen. Or I am wrong in understanding how it supposed to work.
Integer scaling, actually awesome thing for old games or small screen with huge resolutions. It produces an image without upscaling artifacts, as if you're using a screen with this resolution. But it obviously works only with integer difference, like 1080p*2=2160 720p*3=2160p etc.
In Australia
Ryzen 7 7800x3d is $578
Ryzen 9 7950x3d is $918
Imagine the price of 9800x3d
I'd rather ryzen 7 7800x3d
Aww, you had me excited for some actual benchmark comparisons.
I appreciate the research that went into making this video, but tbh it doesn't amount to much more an educated speculation. We may as well wait for more detailed data to come out before we try to draw any conclusions. It won't be long now.
yeah the software variable makes it really difficult to draw conclusions (although that hasn’t stopped many of the commenters). it would be interesting to see the benchmarks with a 7900x to see if the results make more sense
Once released, there will be optimization to utilize the unused force in the Techpowerup benchmark/screenshot, till date, this chip is unknown to the game, so it will run in a generic way.
One interesting thing to notice is that the CPU % was higher while the GPU was lower.
The 9900X is a 12c part vs 8c on the 7800X3D, so, technically, it should be harder to get higher utilization on the part with more cores.
Now, one thing that would make the CPU utilization higher while having lower performance is memory bandwidth starvation.
Go see some of David's video and compared the loser single channel vs dual channel. There is a big drop is CPU utilization in some games, even when he's running with the iGPU.
That 62GB might indicate that there is 2GB dedicated to the iGPU and maybe it's running with 4 DIMM's, which would reduce the memory clocks. Maybe closer to 4800MT/s.
Would be interesting to see Daniel try downclocking his memory to see how much it affects the 7800X3D in this benchmark.
Also, it would be nice to have a comparison between the X3D and the normal chips in this game, since some games have HUGE gains with v-cache and others don't. So we could check an 7900X and apply 16% on top and see if it makes sense (Not all workloads are going to give a 16% boost with Zen 5)
man, this was such a FUN video to watch!
I don't know how they will sell a single one of the 9700x CPUs unless they price them below the 7800x3D.
Or at minimum on par, because the 9700x likely will be better in most productivity workloads, even if worse in gaming.
The claimed $399 is actually what it launches it, it'll really poorly reviewed. Or they'll probably jack the price of the 7800x3D back up to over $400.
Do you happen to have a Ryzen 9 7900X to test? You could try testing with the exact same settings you settled on with the 7800X3D, only that the 7900X should score lower than the 9900X. If the 7900X scores higher, you're likely not at the correct settings yet.
Nice work
Yes, thank you, Detective Daniel.
Or should I say....R Daneel?
im definitely ready to see how these test out. wish amd would get some production samples out for benchmark testing. For me though im on a 5900x, thinking about going to the 9700x as it seems to me more adequate for my overall needs and the lower tdp (if they keep it were it is) will likely result in just a more efficient cpu thats. if they could get it sub 5% difference with the 7800x3d it would be perfect for me. speculated price on it doesnt look bad either.
I love my 7800x3d. Paired with my Radeon 7900xt with 20 gig vram, it runs anything in 2k and at over 200fps. It can definitely do 4k in high setting if i had a 4k monitor.
I appreciate all the work you put in on this however, after identifying they were using Frame Gen or any kind of scaling... you can pretty much stop there because metrics with inflationary algo's applied are pretty worthless. I think the main take-away from this would be, the 7800 X3D may be 20% faster than the 9900X but that also means the 9800 X3D should be 10-20%?? faster than your chip. The cache is doing all the heavy lifting in this game apparently. Using a 7900X non 3D cache or a 7700X may have been better?
My best idea of this is Wait until the Reviews come in.
Pc games hardware got 1.36x more performance of the 5800X3D vs. 5900X so it depends very much on L3 cache.
Considering that Zen5 did not do anything to solve memory bandwidth issues these results are not really suprising.
All nice and fun, but always remember, its not finished yet. Look at benchmarks when the cpu Review are out. Microcode updates, feature set etc can change
One thing i can mention is that refresh rates have an exponential effect on subjacent hardware such as GPU's.
Maybe if you try to use different refresh rates you could pinpoint the CPU's powerdraw to get a sensible baseline parameter to work with.
But then again it might just be dust in the wind ...
In short, there is no way to really compare based on the information.
i think people are expecting too much from this gen, as last 3 generations from AMD ryzen have been really good. Think this will be a bit smaller perf. increase- which is why they are launching X3d so early.
interesting video and you are very good at explaining your thought process.
7800X3D is already excellent, affordable and on a stable, matured platform.
Gonna stick with that for the next few years.
DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE 🔥
Nah the 5800X3D was on par with the next non-X3D versions of these chips on Zen 4 so I would believe that they'd be faster than normal non-X3D Zen 4. I'm curious on the whole 15th Gen Intel and the ARM side of things for the future
IMO the only way zen5 could be a meaningful update over the zen4 (given the inevitable price discrepancies) is if AMD makes 9900X3D and 9950X3D consisting of two 3D cache CCDs instead of one.
I think fixed fsr upscales from (any fsr setting you chose) to the resolution you chose in game
But fsr biased upscales from(any fsr settings you chose) to the resolution in games and then upscales from the settings you chose in game to 4k
ALL Benchmarks should be RAw... none of the frame gen and super res nonsense or gsync/vsync freesync.. just unlimited framerates and the base setting high/ultra low ect..... well and the resolution of course. My take on the matter. If they are using that crap it should be provided in the description
I really want to do a platform upgrade just to upgrade but I don't want to pay more money for equal or less performance. I was really hoping for a 9800x3d but sadly that hasn't happened yet. As much as I'd love to upgrade, I think I'm going to hold out for an X3D variant. I currently have a 5900x paired with a 7900xtx so it's not like I'm hurting, but I've just been on AM4 since it launched and I want that AM5! 😂 I just have to be able to justify the upgrade and if what's coming out isn't any better, I have zero reason to justify an upgrade.
I mean if AMD's own claims are ~16% over 7000 series, then it stands to reason a 7800x3D could outperform the 9000 non 3D cpu's in gaming, assuming the game benefits from 3D cache.
Honestly this seems to be a somewhat small jump for AMD. Mostly benefiting efficiency, hopefully at a reasonable price. I don't hold that against them, but I expect this won't be a terribly exciting generation.
I would assume AMD had some more analytical software running on that PC measuring/monitoring and thus slowing down overall performance
I think we can not to try have the same settings but make same high preset + framegen, make it 100% non gpu limited and try to look at most cpu intensive moments on graph to compare:
I don't know how this benchmark looks like but on 2/3 probably happends something like switching scene cause we have a big fps deep for a few seconds.
So, first 1/3 of bench time are more cpu limited and we have about 210-215 fps average on 7800x3d (probably gpu limited for a bit). 9900x has like 180 fps average at the same timeline, that's like a 17% difference, not quiet impressive for Zen5. I think in games it will be on par with Raptor Lake and 9950x will be like 20% better than 13900k in the MT applications.
Its because of X3D cache. It does better in lower resolution like 1080p in gaming. 😑
What i noticed to ye. At 4K max settings the 7800X3D is pretty much on par with the 7900X. So save money get better GPU and 7900X outperforms 7800X3D price wise XD
I might have missed some context here but how are you comparing these two CPUs? Trying to match the score and frame rate assumes you know they actually perform the exact same, I don’t understand the point of this attempt to match their benchmark score.
I'm still gonna use my 5800X3D for now. It's got plenty of go for what I'm doing. Even it is capping my 7900 XT a little.
loved this video, reminded me of how I got math questions right using alternative methods using logic back when i was a kid.
From the announced numbers I was expecting 7800X3D to be equal to the 9900X. If it was 20% slower it would be about regular Zen4 performance levels.
you may wanna check benchmarks again between zen 4 and zen 4 X3D, in some games and no I'm not talking about factorio, the difference is over 35% easily.
@@melexxa Ok I will agree if 9800X3D was on DDR6 :P
Capping your fps to their result (229 fps) and using the gpu graph to match their settings might also work assuming 9900x and 7800x3d is not that far apart performance wise
hm... how much faster is the 7800X3D over the 7700X and the 7900X?
It seems a little much if the 7800X3D is 20% faster than a 9900X.
But good fun speculation video, can't wait for benchmarks.
The 7800X3D is on average 17-19% faster than the 7700X in gaming. Avatar categorically doesn't like the 7900X (like so many other games) because of the 2x6 core layout. This was also the case for the 3900X and the 5900X. Just ignore 12 core parts from AMD if you're a gamer.
The 7900X is faster with the money you save to spend for better GPU.
The 9000 series was hyped to be such a huge upgrade (at least when I've watched the tech rumor channels). But it really doesn't seem to be any bigger upgrade than going from 5000 to 7000 series. Maybe less of an upgrade even.
The benchmark in the article appears to be on a TV. It’s likely the refresh rate is locked at 60 Hz. Try running the benchmark with refresh rate set to 60 Hz in Windows settings. I don’t think they used any frame generation or any FPS boosting settings. I think this was a raw High settings run. You can also try to recreate it it by connecting the RX 7900 XTX to the monitor via HDMI 2.0 or lower cable.
The XTX can't produce those numbers at 1080p High, so that wasn't it.
If 9900x was an engineering sample, it's probably not fully clocked. 89/63 says its likely under clocked by 30% or more.
but what if they didn't use frame gen? you're assuming they used frame gen because of the score and general settings but there's no info on ram types, there's also talks of 9000 supporting up to 8000mt/s ram, we will just have to sit and wait.
Although this is just one benchmark, I have been saying that Intel is already competing with next gen AMD with the X3D chips...the real chips are the X3D chip always.
I dont get why some people compare a productivity chip against a gaming chip and just talk about the gaming aspect , you can find a lot of poorly made youtubers videos trying to say something is bad while totally out of context.
9900 vs 7900 and not x3d ones.
To verify whether it's accurate, you could test using a 7000 non-X3D CPU and if the FPS is higher than their benchmark then the settings are off.
I think the 9000 series will end up being a skip generation for most people. That might change with an X3D model for gaming however I can't imagine enough of an improvement to matter for most people. We already know AMD's next gen video cards aren't going to be top of the line as they are changing their business strategy to offer more mid tier offerings. These new CPU's will be nice for multi-tasking, but I have a feeling the 7800X3D will still be king. I think they intentionally left the 7800X3D out of all the graphs when they did the reveal at the computer expo because it performs better.
From my experience Avatar Frontiers of Pandora is mostly a GPU limited game. We'll need something more strictly CPU limited for a proper comparison.
Plus I'm starting to believe now with new tech it's the same as with gaming & big AAA releases.
With poor company practices of selective information, overstatements of performance, pricing high on release as much as they can get away with.
Only to the best performance of a new line until a 2nd phase & repeat same pricing structures.
So it not worth buying on release, wait for fixes, wait for full detailed in-use testing by the tech/gaming channels & even wait for prices to fall.
It's a merry go round. So unless your spending others money time & reflection is the way to go.
Good detective work. Don't know for certainty that you are right, but your comparison seems the best so far.
Also the comparisons vs Intel were done with the new "intel default" settings to help those having difficulties with stability. So that is not a legitimate comparison if you are using the existing known Intel performance in games to compare vs your X3D vs this new chip. This new chip is being compared to reduced Intel performance that is not equal to the currently available Intel performance numbers that a current X3D user might be using to compare in a performance extrapolation to see how good the new chip is compared to theirs.
just picked up a r9 7900x for $175 im holding onto it for 5yrs yup great deal then ill get the 11900x3dXTX XXX AI
That looks like I expected. My 7800x3d is better in gaming. 9900x has 12 cores, 120tdp, 5,6ghz. That’s a great cpu if you want an „Allrounder“ Pc right. So the 9900x should be better in other things than gaming, also efficiency went up big time. From 170tdp to 120tdp. 9700/9600 from 105 to 65. That’s big step imo. If you do little bit of other things on top of gaming, than go for 7800x3d or wait for new x3d. With am5 to 2027+ it’s kind of a no brainer.
The Nvidia Driver overhead has an actual difference in performance vs AMD.
Fortunately at nearly irrelevant resolutions if you have a high end pc. Definitely something to think about if you're still on zen2 or 3.
@@stephenpourciau8155You're making assumptions with games.
80+ percent of the games I play are cpu bound games for everyone.
And I don't play esports titles like CS2 or valorant that are the obvious exceptions.
Rust, tarkov, Battlefield.
Plenty of cpu bound games.
You not gonna play games at 1080p with a 4080 or 4090, that will be real stupid....
@@whatistruth_1 this is what you call an anecdote. Just because you play cpu bound games (btw all the games you listed run completely fine (actually downright well) with 7800x3d and a 4090 or a 13/14th gen
@@stephenpourciau8155 Same specs, running fine doesn't change the fact they're cpu bound.
It's an anecdote to show there's nuance to this, and dismissing it completely is too simplified
So from a 12 game average in hardware unboxed video the 7700x is faster than a 5800x3d so it stands to reason a 9700x will be faster than. 7800x3d but they are using a 9900x so it should not that much slower than a 7800x3d but instead be very close or slightly slower than a 7800x3d so it is most likely your settings don’t match theirs my quite a bit.
A 7900x is just as fast as a 7700x and is also faster than a 5800x3d so since the 9900x will replace the 7900x it would not make sense that it would be much slower than a 7800x3d so more indication you must have the wrong settings in your tests. However what we do know is that a 7800x3d is going to be quite a bit faster than a 9900x at 1080p. 1440p and up there won’t be any performance differences for most cases.
I don't think you should trust the frame rate with fg on. It introduces way too many variables for an accurate CPU comparison. I think the FSR Performance/Frame Gen/Biased was the right one with a score 7% ahead of the 9900x. That seems reasonable. Remember, with a lower load on the GPU, frame generation is more effective, the final framerate won't scale evenly between the two.
I plan to buy PC next month, is it worth to just go for 7800X3D or wait to see how 9700X will perform and maybe buy this on B650 socket instead of 7800X3D?
If your primary focus is gaming just get a 7800x3d
I just recently bought 7800X3D too and I'm happy watching this video xD
You should have validated the final setting you settled on by making sure that the benchmark score AT that setting is linearly dependent on the average fps. If it's not linear, then the 2 settings are not the same. But how, you ask?
Downclock your GPU? Downclock your CPU? Limit your framerate? I recommend the first one
I wonder if this is the reason why they held it back.
Your result showing the 7800x3D ahead by roughly 20% honestly makes sense compared to a non-x3D chip, even a Zen 5 chip. For comparison, the 7900x is around 25% slower at 1080p. So if your test is fairly accurate, we can expect the non-x3D Zen 5 chips to be roughly 5% faster in gaming vs. their Zen 4 counterparts. Which doesn't surprise me too much, considering they're mostly touting IPC improvement and not clock speed or gaming performance uplift.
You're forgetting the fact that these are still engineering samples, Zen 5 is gonna launch at the end of next month.
And based on some common sense math, the 7800X3D is about 20% faster than a 7700X so if AMD claims a 16% uplift for Zen 5 then 9700X should be in the ballpark of a 7800X3D
Could you have tested the gpu usage theory by calling the frames at 229 and seeing if you have the same usage? Not sure home frame rate caps work with frame gen. Possibly in adrenaline?
It would be interesting to see this comparrison using the 7900X.
I think these CPU firms have hit a wall in terms of how fast they can make the CPU. Even intel is not able to increase IPC Now.
i7-12700K still very fast and close to a 7800X3D.
The issue with that chip is the memory controller and latency, the core IPC is not an issue. On PS3 emulation, the 12700K is the same as a 7800X3D.
My theory is what your first one was. Bios has not had any significant updates and the like. If you tried to run a 5000 series CPU on a motherboard that could have theoretically run it, it might run, but if it's like... a beta version of the needed bios, i remember seeing my 5800X3D sit at 3GHz and wouldn't budge. Not saying this is going to that extreme length, but it very well could be. :P
Retest a 7700x or 7900x with the same settings and compare to the 9900x and 7800x3d...where the non x3d would land...
do the same test again but with the 7900X to see the gen on gen improvement
i think just bc of this new CPU that AMD is gonna launch, the Ryzen9 7950X3D price just got a huge cut-down, its going for 400$ on amazon before it was $750+, and i hope so it keep on getting low [hopefully]
Can't wait for the 9950x to launch. So that I can buy the 7950x a lot cheaper, use it until the last AM5 flagship is launched and buy that last flagship am5 chip and use it for at the next couple more years. Like this I'd have one of the best performing cpu's for a decade in my system. This was not possible with Intel. Gpu I'll get a 4060 now with a 7950x and upgrade just a year later to a 4080 or 5080 whatever is the best deal. I'll probably use the 4080/5080 for a decade.
Boost clock to 5.7Ghz, huh. My 7950x had half its cores boosting to 5.85Ghz on Asrocks BIOS v1.03that shipped with the Tiachi. CBr23 scores of 39.8k; never could get it to break 40k. Then CPU's began exploding in sockets, and they clamped core volts to 1.35v. I was running at 1.43v max in HWinfo64. I went with the safer BIOS with clamped voltages for 2 reasons 1) CBr23 isn't that fun and 2) running AMD is stock or even with power limit still has plenty of CPU power for daily life. This 7950x owner doesn't see the 9950x as an upgrade path, its just a refresh if you don't have a Zen4 16 yet (and why do you even need it). The 9800x3D will probably be the last x86 processor ever need to be manufactured.
Excellent detective work Daniel!
I'm a complete noob when it comes to this sort of stuff but could they have reduced the GPU power limit to put more usage on the CPU?