Thank you for such a comprehensive video. As I have just started learning coding I only have four notes so far but I have been struggling between having a chunk of my vault taken up as the collection grows or starting a new vault. As I already have Visual Studio for coding I think I am going to start a Dendron Vault purely for learning to code. Then as I improve I will have my reference material on hand. Perfect timing!
I hate arbitrary rigid hierarchy. You can refactor it all life long and never get it good for several purposes at once. Arbitrary logical views based on free graphs are much much more efficient. No extra vain need to move things, no extra vain need to duplicate data.
Very thorough! I would love to see a video on how you use "Todo Tree" at some point. I'm still trying to figure out how I would use Dendron vs. Obsidian. I get the "terms" and such, but it seems like it all comes down to how one does their research and how the information will be utilized. Thanks for always providing great content.
I was hoping to be sold on Dendron but it just looks over-engineered for my use case. I just use markdown files and folders in VS Code and it works great for me. The global search does a lot of the heavy lifting anyways.
It looks very useful, but between the lag, and having to refactor and update the index, it looks like there are a lot of pain points in using this software.
Thanks for this comprehensive intro to Dendron. Have just installed and will be using it for journaling, task management and knowledge management for learning technical stuff (AWS, networking) publishing.
I'm torn and indecisive... I've been following your Obsidian guides and have been using it for all my knowledge management on all things CS. The switch to dendron shouldn't be too difficult but is it worth it as all my notes are CS related.
Thank's for the informative video. Unfortunately, as I understand the software is not for Android devices and I solely work on Samsung S4 Tablet (in the moment) and with an external bluetooth keyboard. Though I use Obsidian and this is not a too bad choice, too. But again unfortunately I got a plague on my beloved tablet: after the the release of the new version of Obsidian and when using the external keyboard, I delete backwards using backspace, but only for certain words like plugin. When I write the word and use backspace, then either the last characters are deleted or the cursor jumps to the beginning of the word. I turned off all plugins and restarted the tablet, I reinstalled Obsidian, deleted some plugins, but couldn't change this strange behavior. It is only in Obsidian, no change in other apps. The same keyboard and my S8+ phone and Obsidian work together as nice as you can think off. In some Obisidian plugins (Kanban, Excalidraw) I can write even on the table, but in the editor I get this strange behavior. The online keyboard works as it is supposed to do. Any ideas how can I get rid of this backspace deleting? I also cannot relate any autocorrection feature to this phenomena. Would be great, if you could give me a hint. Thanks in advance!
@@BryanJenks Thanks for your attention anyway. It seems there is a kind of incompatibility between Samsung Keyboard and the new Obsidian editor with live preview. Changed to GBoard and the trouble is gone. Now I just have toalways remeber to change the keyboard. 😱
As of ten minutes in, you're not making the best case for dendrons vs. folders. In dendrons, you have to use abbreviations like "s" and "iac", or filename lengths get out of control. Guess how you can fix that? Folders! You talk about how easy using regex in the search function is, and-besides the fact that it seems to not actually work for you-the point of a hierarchical system is that you shouldn't *have* to search! And that kind of search function (using slashes instead of dots) is easy to implement with a folder hierarchy. And you show how great the tree view is…which is identical, so far, to a folder structure. So far, folders are looking *better* overall. Oh: Also, if I want to move things around in a folder hierarchy, I don't have to "refactor" or rename files. I can just *move folders around.* 27:40 Okay, I can see how the dot format is useful for dates. You've got automatically-hierarchical notes by year, month and day just from the naming scheme. That's cool, and not as easily replicable by folders. 30:20 Auto-showing children is cool too. You don't really have "child" and "parent" notes with folders.
there are pros and cons to each with approach. a lot of the command line stuff i do is also made easier by everything being at a top level. this unlike my obsidian videos is not meant to be items that could be placed in multiple locations and so linking versus folders is a better approach rather this is for my tech notes and dev-log so its very rigid in structure and to avoid folders and filing this is a low effort way to managing already almost 2000 notes
No, My zettelkasten is still in Obsidian, As I say in the video Dendron houses my tech notes which are a large volume of notes and no it isn’t too geeky and complicated, I’m many respects it’s simpler than obsidian. This video is an attempt to also show how to use dendron so that it is less intimidating
Would you consider scaling up your interface so that text is easier to read? I'm sure it looks fine on your screen, but to viewers on smaller screens, we might not see the words.
@@BryanJenks No worries! Easy to forget stuff when you've got a lot going on. I appreciate the reply. Funny that you do so today since I am about to try again to convert my obsidian vault to dendron! (last time it didn't work because I use unicode for first character of filenames, and that broke the links)
@@taylormanning2709 lol im a month behind on comments and probably the same for emails, its builds up on me until i cant take it anymore 😓 and then the cycle continues....
@@BryanJenks Everyone with executive function disorders can relate. I was wondering, could you cover the process of converting an Obsidian vault (with images) to an Dendron vault? All of my images in the form ![[My Image.png]] in obsidian did not get converted right, and I do not want to make 1700 manual edits to  Is this a shortcoming of obsidian not using commonmark? Is there a change in the dendron import pod config that might help correct the embedded images?
@@BryanJenks Will have to check this out and watch your video when I get some time, did you manage to/attempt to import your logseq notes in to dendron smoothly?
as always different tools for different jobs. a kitchen knife is a knife just like a scalpal but I'm not using a kitchen knife to perform surgery, or cutting potatoes with a scalpal
I don't get the point, using a dot notation for file naming looks/works pretty the same as having a folder structure except that I don't have all files on one level?! So where is the actual benefit of this?
@@BryanJenks Yeah I would be too macs are overpriced for its specs. What's keeping you from switching to an intel-based pc with linux? Been using Dendron since leaving that comment. Their schemas and templates works like magic. I miss the typora writing experience though.
@@BryanJenks Haha, any chance you could pin this comment? I just finished watching this only to find this comment. It was great content either way, gave me some ideas for my Obsidian workflow I hadn't considered and was well organized so thanks!
Why don't you keep your tech notes in Obsidian as well? Don't you ever want to link files/notes between the two systems? (if you have a video, etc somewhere feel free to link that instead)
My dendron vault is inside my obsidian vault. My obsidian notes have pretty much no overlap with my tech notes so I prefer the dendron paradigm for the tech notes
Thanks for this video, Any Chance you'd be willing to share notes you've taken on coding Languages as an example for some of us to follow? I am learning R for the first time, and it is weird i am more confused by it than python. Go OWLS 🦉🦉
I am just starting out with knowledge management and am a bit confused with all the different choices. Are you using dendron now instead of Obsidian or both of them for different purposes?
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Dude! Absolutely crushed this video 5xStars. Everything I needed to know to get up and running in one video. Just fantastic, thank you!
I’m so glad you found it useful! :D
Thank you for such a comprehensive video. As I have just started learning coding I only have four notes so far but I have been struggling between having a chunk of my vault taken up as the collection grows or starting a new vault. As I already have Visual Studio for coding I think I am going to start a Dendron Vault purely for learning to code. Then as I improve I will have my reference material on hand. Perfect timing!
Glad to help!
I hate arbitrary rigid hierarchy. You can refactor it all life long and never get it good for several purposes at once.
Arbitrary logical views based on free graphs are much much more efficient. No extra vain need to move things, no extra vain need to duplicate data.
Good Luck with coding Susan
@@hell0kitje thank you.
@@emjizone How are you managing your note knowledge management? Which app do you use?
Very thorough! I would love to see a video on how you use "Todo Tree" at some point. I'm still trying to figure out how I would use Dendron vs. Obsidian. I get the "terms" and such, but it seems like it all comes down to how one does their research and how the information will be utilized. Thanks for always providing great content.
not a bad idea, it's definitely a fav plugin of mine
The new tattoos look incredibly cool!
Thanks!
I was hoping to be sold on Dendron but it just looks over-engineered for my use case. I just use markdown files and folders in VS Code and it works great for me. The global search does a lot of the heavy lifting anyways.
Fair enough!
It looks very useful, but between the lag, and having to refactor and update the index, it looks like there are a lot of pain points in using this software.
the lag was from my computer running all my filming software at once not so much dendron :)
Thanks for this comprehensive intro to Dendron. Have just installed and will be using it for journaling, task management and knowledge management for learning technical stuff (AWS, networking) publishing.
right on! using it for code/networking notes is totally awesome
Ngl in our parkour days I thought you were English for some reason 😅. It is good to see that you're doing well!
lul i speak it, but thats it 😅️
I'm torn and indecisive... I've been following your Obsidian guides and have been using it for all my knowledge management on all things CS. The switch to dendron shouldn't be too difficult but is it worth it as all my notes are CS related.
there's even the handy import from obsidian feature :)
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I just switched from Logseq to Dendron. And your Video helps a lot!
Glad to hear!
Thank's for the informative video. Unfortunately, as I understand the software is not for Android devices and I solely work on Samsung S4 Tablet (in the moment) and with an external bluetooth keyboard. Though I use Obsidian and this is not a too bad choice, too. But again unfortunately I got a plague on my beloved tablet: after the the release of the new version of Obsidian and when using the external keyboard, I delete backwards using backspace, but only for certain words like plugin. When I write the word and use backspace, then either the last characters are deleted or the cursor jumps to the beginning of the word. I turned off all plugins and restarted the tablet, I reinstalled Obsidian, deleted some plugins, but couldn't change this strange behavior. It is only in Obsidian, no change in other apps. The same keyboard and my S8+ phone and Obsidian work together as nice as you can think off. In some Obisidian plugins (Kanban, Excalidraw) I can write even on the table, but in the editor I get this strange behavior. The online keyboard works as it is supposed to do. Any ideas how can I get rid of this backspace deleting? I also cannot relate any autocorrection feature to this phenomena. Would be great, if you could give me a hint. Thanks in advance!
i dont use any of these apps on tablets so i dont really have a starting place for you on troubleshooting that, sorry
@@BryanJenks Thanks for your attention anyway. It seems there is a kind of incompatibility between Samsung Keyboard and the new Obsidian editor with live preview. Changed to GBoard and the trouble is gone. Now I just have toalways remeber to change the keyboard. 😱
As of ten minutes in, you're not making the best case for dendrons vs. folders. In dendrons, you have to use abbreviations like "s" and "iac", or filename lengths get out of control. Guess how you can fix that? Folders! You talk about how easy using regex in the search function is, and-besides the fact that it seems to not actually work for you-the point of a hierarchical system is that you shouldn't *have* to search! And that kind of search function (using slashes instead of dots) is easy to implement with a folder hierarchy. And you show how great the tree view is…which is identical, so far, to a folder structure.
So far, folders are looking *better* overall.
Oh: Also, if I want to move things around in a folder hierarchy, I don't have to "refactor" or rename files. I can just *move folders around.*
27:40 Okay, I can see how the dot format is useful for dates. You've got automatically-hierarchical notes by year, month and day just from the naming scheme. That's cool, and not as easily replicable by folders.
30:20 Auto-showing children is cool too. You don't really have "child" and "parent" notes with folders.
there are pros and cons to each with approach. a lot of the command line stuff i do is also made easier by everything being at a top level. this unlike my obsidian videos is not meant to be items that could be placed in multiple locations and so linking versus folders is a better approach rather this is for my tech notes and dev-log so its very rigid in structure and to avoid folders and filing this is a low effort way to managing already almost 2000 notes
🐄 Too bad I found this tutorial the same time I found out Dendron Dev is dead. ☠
Kevin isn’t dead unless you mean development on Dendron and not the developer
@@BryanJenks I meant development on Dendron.
Have you given up on Obsidian? Isn't Dendron too geeky and complicated?
No, My zettelkasten is still in Obsidian, As I say in the video Dendron houses my tech notes which are a large volume of notes and no it isn’t too geeky and complicated, I’m many respects it’s simpler than obsidian. This video is an attempt to also show how to use dendron so that it is less intimidating
Nice. Looking forward to watching this later.
@@BryanJenks do you know if it's possible to import a subreddit into either Obsidian or Dendron?
@@BryanJenks why not use Obsidian for both? thanks
@alumi9818 I do now
Would you consider scaling up your interface so that text is easier to read? I'm sure it looks fine on your screen, but to viewers on smaller screens, we might not see the words.
i always struggle to remember to do this even as an item on my pre-filming checklist (SORRY!)
@@BryanJenks No worries! Easy to forget stuff when you've got a lot going on. I appreciate the reply. Funny that you do so today since I am about to try again to convert my obsidian vault to dendron!
(last time it didn't work because I use unicode for first character of filenames, and that broke the links)
@@taylormanning2709 lol im a month behind on comments and probably the same for emails, its builds up on me until i cant take it anymore 😓 and then the cycle continues....
@@BryanJenks Everyone with executive function disorders can relate.
I was wondering, could you cover the process of converting an Obsidian vault (with images) to an Dendron vault?
All of my images in the form ![[My Image.png]] in obsidian did not get converted right, and I do not want to make 1700 manual edits to 
Is this a shortcoming of obsidian not using commonmark? Is there a change in the dendron import pod config that might help correct the embedded images?
@@taylormanning2709 probably a good thing to ask in the dendron discord i dont think i transferred any images since i had code notes and no images
Is this a replacement for logseq for your tech notes? How do you like this compared to logseq?
yeah, i like this a lot more, the native developer tooling makes this a dream for my use cases i keep zettelkasten in obsidian so this works great!
@@BryanJenks Will have to check this out and watch your video when I get some time, did you manage to/attempt to import your logseq notes in to dendron smoothly?
@@theostalproject it was smooth enough, i ended up refactoring a lot of them due to dendrons unique structure but I'm happy with where they're at now
Do you have any thoughts about plain text vs outliner? Is it possible to say that one is better than the other? Or for different tasks?
as always different tools for different jobs. a kitchen knife is a knife just like a scalpal but I'm not using a kitchen knife to perform surgery, or cutting potatoes with a scalpal
Very cool video! Great Job!
thank you!
Hmmm, I remember looking at it a while back, and thinking that foam was better if using vscode, but Ill take another look!
to me this blows foam out of the water
I don't get the point, using a dot notation for file naming looks/works pretty the same as having a folder structure except that I don't have all files on one level?! So where is the actual benefit of this?
the hierarchy refactoring and the way that the notation works into the graph paradigm used by dendron are the benefits
Do you normally use the `reload index` command that much or its just your machine being slow?
machine being slow >.> mac is really pissing me off lately
@@BryanJenks Yeah I would be too macs are overpriced for its specs. What's keeping you from switching to an intel-based pc with linux?
Been using Dendron since leaving that comment. Their schemas and templates works like magic. I miss the typora writing experience though.
@@romanmunar school requirements, i have 3 thinkpads behind me and when i finish school its back to arch linux for me
Thanks! This video has been beneficial in helping me get started with Dendron.
im so glad!
How do you feel like now that Dendron isn't actively maintained anymore?
I’m migrating everything back into obsidian :)
@@BryanJenks If I remember correctly, before Dendron you used to keep your technical notes on Logseq. Any reason you're not using it anymore?
Too many issues at the time and I just don’t jive with a pure outliner approach
@@BryanJenks I see, thanks for the quick answer!
@@BryanJenks Haha, any chance you could pin this comment? I just finished watching this only to find this comment. It was great content either way, gave me some ideas for my Obsidian workflow I hadn't considered and was well organized so thanks!
Bryan, what do you think is the best roam-like app, but with web version and free? great video btw!
roam-like? Logseq
What in the world is the fluctuating money menu bar extension?
Robinhood app to show my portfolio balance xD
Why don't you keep your tech notes in Obsidian as well? Don't you ever want to link files/notes between the two systems? (if you have a video, etc somewhere feel free to link that instead)
My dendron vault is inside my obsidian vault. My obsidian notes have pretty much no overlap with my tech notes so I prefer the dendron paradigm for the tech notes
How are you changing the color of the words?
What words?
Hi, lets say I have a node which has multiple parents like a graph how can do this in dendron?
the linking paradigms are different in dendron, only 1 parent, but you can still link to as many notes as you want
I noticed Ansible was listed as a learn next topic for you,would you be interested in a free copy of the book I wrote about it?
Absolutely!!!!
would it be possible to add support for Excalidraw plugin as in Obsidian?
probably. there are other diagramming tools available in vscode already like diagrams.io
can you record in 1080p just for your screen?
Weird I thought I did, guess the rendering on my side screwed something up 🤔
Thanks for this video, Any Chance you'd be willing to share notes you've taken on coding Languages as an example for some of us to follow? I am learning R for the first time, and it is weird i am more confused by it than python. Go OWLS 🦉🦉
my devlog is publicly available on my website: www.bryanjenks.dev
getting better with the image, but the sound is not great - you sound distant.
weird :/ its my new mic but its been in the last few videos, thanks for the feedback!
Can I easly switch between my project folder and Dendron folder?
The dendron explorer and file explorer are 2 different views you can access so if I’m understanding your question correctly, then, yes
@@BryanJenks Thanks for the answer. It was some kind of bug on my pc but now its ok :D
How is he against Foam? I saw you recently at one of the Dendron office hours.
no one is against foam?
@@BryanJenks I believe he is asking how Dendron compares to Foam. I was curious about this comparison as well. Any thoughts on that?
@@BryanJenks sorry, my English not perfect. Foam versus dendron I mean.
I am just starting out with knowledge management and am a bit confused with all the different choices. Are you using dendron now instead of Obsidian or both of them for different purposes?
both for different purposes, dendron is just for my tech notes and programming related notes
What VS Code theme are you using?
gruvbox for life!
@@BryanJenks lovely! I was confused with the green hints on your main dendron workspace.
Is Dendron heavy on the system? It was a bit laggy
It runs in vscode which is an electron app same as obsidian it also depends on your system
Do you still use it?
not anymore, im consolidating back under obsidian now
@@BryanJenks lol
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🐄!