Do All Season 9 Players Think The Same?
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if you plan on doing these videos don’t get people that are bronze gold silver and plat i’m sorry but they don’t know shit 😂
@@frumty7009what’s your rank?
they needed like an opalescent effect or something on the jade weapons, just metallic green doesn’t really excite me
This! When i heard about the Jade weapons i was so excited and then saw that it was just metalic green.. quite dissapointing, the gold has so much more to it, it shines more. They should really add more effects to that jade material.
My biggest beef with the new ranking system is that it’s unfair to consider certain games an uphill battle or a reversal. If the rank range is Diamond 3 to masters 2, and I’m the masters 2 dps on my team, but my tank is Diamond 3 and the enemy tank is masters 3, that is not a fair matchup. Just because I’m the highest rank in the lobby doesn’t mean my role can just hard carry the game. You gave me a huge handicap by giving me a tank player that I CANNOT QUEUE with because they’re not within my rank range, but I’m expected to win because I’m the highest rank in the lobby. Each role does NOT have equal contributions to winning the game.
yesss i hate the 'expected win' stuff, it doesn't make much sense to me.
But they didn't change anything to how the rank was since the start of OW2. They just gave us more clarity about what we wanted to know about how our games affect our rank. So, it's not the new ranking system's fault that there were uphill battles or a reversal, it was there since the start.
My understanding was it tried to match role to role, so the masters should be the enemy dps, not tank. But I haven’t had enough games with people with public profiles to actually verify it works that way it’s just what I heard them say
the system tries to match rank per role it's done that since season 2
i hate the expected thing… especially when its payload and we attacked first. its not like we held them at spawn and now we just have to cap one. they had a chance to push and do better. nothing was expected it just felt dismissive to my skill but its a video game so cant be too upset.
Thank you for having me on this episode! It was so fun and everyone was so nice and polite! ❤
In the old rank system, I was always stuck in bronze even though me and my friends know for a fact that I should be placed higher than bronze. The new ranking system has me in a tier that I believe I should be and I can finally climb up properly
Im a fan of the passive aggressive "do you think that being the hardest role and being the worst role are synonymous in case" lol listen to question wolf 😂
LMAOOO I WASNT TRYING TO BE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE 😭 I just wanted to make sure I was understanding them correctly because it didn’t make sense in my head LMAO
Haha that was me! Sometimes I don't describe things perfectly so i get why she asked that! And the passive aggressivenes was funny ^_^
@@wolfi2715 it always sounds better in the head lol
@@TheHIHIHI2020 For real hahah
This was a really great discussion and listening to Seur (even at a much lower rank) I agree with the reasoning behind a lot of the statements they made. Great discussion and I’m glad a lot of people are receptive to the changes even if they need a little more tweaking.
The thing about wanting to play with your lower rank friends is you dont actually have to smurf in comp. You could just play quick play or arcade.
My brother is bronze if we play QP he can't have any fun. Playing my off roles with him in comp instead gives him a chance as they're closer to his skill level
why cant he have fun in qp lmfao qp is still based off skill matchmaking (should be at least) so it should be mostly other bronze or maybe even silver
@@shawty4066 QP has different MMR than comp. My master smurf has gold qp mmr for example, and my main that has been master gm for over a year has diamond qp mmr
I’ve been playing tank recently and been having a blast. I think too many tank players think that the role means you have to be an absolute juggernaut of both health and damage to make an impact. I do agree though that tank dps passive should be 5%-10% less since they are already constantly getting shot at
playing a role for a couple of games is very different from playing 300 matches in top500 as that role. in any rank below masters, tank doesnt feel bad because the players dont understand how to play around a tank out of position (unless the tank is just standing in the open, like a lot of low elo tanks do) but the second you go masters and higher, the tanking experience becomes ridiculously boring for anyone that doesnt like the dive style of overwatch.
its almost like the role has no control over the game at all and tank diffs are severely noticable now.
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMP RULES AND QP RULES!!! Being on ONLY attack or ONLY defense to win isn’t fun!!! Remember before role que as well!?!?
As a sombra main, the f**king extended range of Moira suck and the bigger bullet get me pain as now I’m harder to escape from the situation of being surrounded. Especially when I’m tp up high and got suck by Moira and now I’m low hp and I have no choice but to get respawn or facing a bullet that randomly hits me when I’m trying to escape after using tp
Regarding "I think people should be able to group, regardless of rank," I really think there should be a "global ranked" queue specifically made for people in situations like this. It would be it's own separate queue so it doesn't interfere with normal ranked matches.
I’m really tired of seeing people suggest separate queues for every little thing. Any more than two queue sets that are actively used is going to lead to starvation (one queue getting too few people joining it to sustain). Arcade never gets played, if you introduce a queue for comp ruleset but qp matching then one or all of the queue times will suffer and overall the health of the game will decrease
they did it a few season ago it take like 30-60 mins to find a game no one played it
@@ckamo10 i sat in team queue for like 2 hours nothing happened lol
that's what they're doing next season, no restrictions but you get put into the "wide queue"
@@ckamo10Because this is a stupid idea, ranks exists for a reason, wanting a Bronze player on a GM lobby is WILD
I like the Jade Weapons on Lifeweaver because they make the lower petals green like flower leaves surrounding some flowers. Also, I agree the green is more niche, but I've always felt the gold looked a lot more obnoxious and gaudy on a lot of the skins, so I don't think jade is really that different. I rarely wear my Golden Mercy weapons for that reason, it's sometimes too much. Then again, I've never been the biggest fan of gold to begin with; overrated color because our culture puts excessive value on it. Really, I'm just more excited they are now willing to add more weapon recolors. I'm really crossing my fingers for Ruby and Amythyst.
I’d like a sapphire blue or turquoise
@@Shikaitsu Id love those as well, Blue would fit a lot of skins.
@@SweetTaleTeller indeed
Question 1: I somewhat agree, but what'd keep me in the neutral area would be the fact that some heroes benefit more than others, and i know thats the point but some heroes were overly dominating aka widow specifically with the hitbox changes. Also i agree, the dps passive with the large hitboxes makes both way more oppressive than what they would've been.
Question 2: I completely disagree and I prefer the new ranked system, as it feels more rewarding than it did in previous seasons. With the predicted rank and all of that, and at the same time, rewarding players who are actually good at the game rather than just getting carried by their team or boosted in general (this doesnt apply to all but it was a popular case). It also helps with elo hell a tad bit more as it will prevent you from just staying in the same rank for like 20 matches in a row.
Question 3: Completely disagree, however i do agree that some support heroes specifically are struggling more than others, however tank role as a whole is being hunted and tortured so far this season (i know im a tank and support main) some big losers this season are: Life, ana, kiri, mercy, and illari ofc. Life's barely held together by his tree and utility but with dive being meta he is shunned cause honestly i think he's actually pretty good but like i said dive is meta, Ana just bit a really large bullet this season, as now anti is not AS important as it used to be albeit still very strong, but now all dps have a weaker version of nade, and her kill potential also dropped because of the hp pool increasing, Kiri is still pretty decent because of her dive compatibility, suzu and rush but yeah kiri will typically always be decent at least, mercy was nearly gutted if they didnt do those other changes to her and ofc power boosting is still powerful but pocketing was nerfed hardcore this season with the dps passive and with the changes to the projectiles it made her survivability more skill based but still significantly harder than how it used to be, and well, we all know what happened with illari.....
question 4: Im neutral, as then it can lead to boosting, and probably wouldnt be fun for either, at that point you're better off going into quick play and goofing around. either that or make more of a penalty for both ends where they can group together but gain a significant decrease in SSR
Question 5: I would stay neutral here, but i think the color needs some tweaking before it goes well with most skins, and i do like that they are expanding from just the previous gold weapons, but i think if they want to make something that will attract players they need to consider the color and compare it to a lot of their in game skins and adjust from there, like its a good color, theres just not a lot of skins that match that specific color, like the only ones i can think of are: The new Cthulhu torb skin, swamp monster doom, and dryad widow, but thats about it.
Question 6: i agree, they made pharah way more fun and engaging compared to her old character, and they made her way easier to fight against while not really taking away her ability to be pocketed or supported. Solid rework, nerfed the big issues, added much more fun.
Question 7: i think it was a bit excessive, but i dont think it was unnecessary, as now it nerfed supports just spamming out damage and allowed for the dps to actually be able to do something, and after they change the passives around hopefully the tanks would also feel better to play as well. Overall i think it was a step in the right direction but they now need to do fine tweaking to bring equal power amongst the roles. but needed with the projectiles like seur said.
Question 8: I somewhat disagree, i think that with the new dps passive, they should've either added something onto the tank passive where they take reduced effects from most status effects, namely being the new dps passive. As then that would still give a lot of power to ana, and give more power and survivability to tanks cause right now its a dead by daylight lobby for tanks, they peek once and their hp is at around half. But i think it was a good thing they just need to tweak it to make it feel better to play against for tanks specifically, and some supports as some are now practically useless. For example, to help mercy keep people alive more, they should give her a passive that reduces most negative effects while she's pocketing them (that arent stuns or nades) to help keep the person alive at least and not just exploding without being able to do much. Same thing with illari, she should get a passive where she can mark you with sunlight on her ult, but it would work like a suzu or something, idk im just spit-balling ideas.
thanks for reading if you did, and ik some of these are huge hot takes but yeah, they did a lot of good changes, now its about refining them through the data they've collected. just give them time 🙏
Thanks for playing along! It makes me so happy to see people who watch the video get so into it that they play along ❤️ thanks for watching and hope to maybe see you on the show someday!!
Just go on the show at this point
@@ChristalRaine I’d love to but I don’t play comp too often so I’m low ranked lol
@@hyotum798rank only matters in shows that high rank is the focus, like a GM episode and what not. 90% of my episodes, we look for people of all ranks and skill level :)
@@ChristalRaine Okay! Then I’ll be sure to apply one day to join in on one of these questionnaires
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I really like this concept never considered it could be used for gaming lol
I get wanting to play comp with friends
But if your that desperate to play with them, play QP or Arcade, why must it be comp? it just comes off as an excuse to smurf.
Agreed. It's a lame excuse for ego.
THIS
I was gonna say exactly this. This guy just wants to stir the pot with bronze players
6:40 not this guy saying he ruins games just because he wants to play with his friends. Exactly why ranked in sh!t right now. Every game has at least one or two people smurfing and playing on their alt accounts.
Boosting their friends to a higher rank so they get destroyed if they solo queue
Well said...but hey, as long as they're having fun, right?...Right?
If i was gm and being forced to duo or solo queue for thousands of hours, id do the same thing tbh
AND THEN b4 that he says "Ive been gm+ since season 8" while his whole rank shows that hes masters FIVE he needs to gtfo
@sonotbambii a lot of gm players are masters rn it's kind of weird but ya know
what I think they should do with the dps passive is make it damage based so it starts on 5% and then goes up to the max of 20% (10% for tanks) for the same duraction so projectile heroes feel more impactful and spraying the entire enemy team won't do as much
I feel like in the current state Gm's and Bronze stacking isn't a good idea
But if they added some kind of mechanic
**For example:**
make it so the teammates of the gm+bronze duo/trio don't lose SR when they lose. (and if they win they gain extra SR).
**Edit:** the gm + bronze duo and opponents still lose and gain SR normally.
I’m GM, I want to que with my friends, but the facts are if i’m playing with a bronze friend the last thing i wanna do is play comp, id be down to que with plat friends and extend the range a ton, but bronze-gold is too far for the games to be fair AT ALL
the new rank system is better due to clarity. My friend was legitimately hard stuck bronze 5 for 3 seasons. What do I mean? We placed her 5-6 times 5/0 and she stayed bronze 5 for all of that. I'm not talking about skill here, but when we get a crazy high streak taking me from bronze 3 to gold 2, I expect my duo to see similar results (or any). New system I haven't played super much, but I like it so far. It could use adjustments, namely to "expected" games, but if it means I can continue having fun while I climb, whatever.
Also on the pharah rework, coming from a pharah one trick with somewhere over 100 hours on her, the changes slow her down at times. The dash grew on me, and I like the projectile speed increase, but the fuel time is rough. It did get rid of flying in the back of the map spamming, but tbh you were way less dangerous there anyways. I'm not saying revert it or anything, but I would like either a fuel regen or fuel time increase. Maybe make dash give fuel as well would be fine. I just hate being on a longer dive and suddenly I'm grounded because I was hiding on a rooftop to get a great flank. It ends up feeling very punishing for doing an otherwise awesome play. I should also clarify I felt the rework didn't do much, as I already was a heavily dive oriented pharah. Her old kit was super strong for dive, and her new kit just adds a slightly clunky and boring mobility tool that does what a concussy does, but boring.
My only issue w group restrictions. It wont stop smurfing. And now youll get uneven matches because youll have m/gm boosting their friends smurf. Vs a real mowrsnked player w their friends. Idk it just doesnt seen like its fixable.
id argue and say yes tank is the worst role but also like to point out that alot of tanks have bad positioning which is why alot of tanks blame healers atleast the passive forces tanks that dont use cover to use a brain more or theey get deleted
With comp I hate that I can play really well and still lose then go down
i think the hp buff would have been amazing if they dint increase projectile sizes, it would have made much longer fights wich is whats interesting and fun in this game, but with bigger projectiles, all is does is reduce a tiny bit oneshots
If im "expected to win"...i just get a boost...it should try to put me out of the rank faster
No because if you’re expected to win the players rank was lower than yours, meaning your not fighting even opponents and ranking up is about getting better so that wouldn’t make sense
About the dps passive… I agree with what seur said. The passive can be good for the game but it’s very oppressive to tanks as is. I also think around 10% reduced healing will allow for there to be some impact while still allowing for counter play. Plus it makes trans useless against grav dragon.
Overwatch 1 had the better rank system. The new ranking system is really obtuse and you can't see your current progress.
Another amazing Overthink :3
I feel like alot of the disagree comments for question 8 in particular just kind of repeated off the idea of "if being pocket healed why do I have to respect the damage?" or this is how it seemed to me anyway. It was for this exact reason DPS got a healing penalty passive because you should never be able to just outright heal through a constant stream of damage.
I think the real elephant in the room is the DPS passive in conjunction with other debuffs like discord, zen as a whole is too safe of a character for his "glass cannon" fantasy that the dev team has for him which I feel in part heavily forces dive to an extent as most of the brawling tanks just cant play if zen is present on the enemy team (not entirely fun but that is zens role) so you have to take fast moving and diveable tanks which are a little bit more selfish in their kits to take the space needed quickly as more defensive options are just too slow with the current itteration of discord.
Another amazing video with great questions and responses!
I still think the jade weapons are perfectly fine 😭I have no idea why so many people are hating on it!
I do think that Tank is the worst role this season in the sense that the DPS passive and the projectile size increase severely effects them. I also think that Support is like an inch or two behind them in the sense of being miserable though. A lot of the support cast just can't be played because you can't keep your team up. It forces you to either Healbot or say screw healing and just DPS more to win the fights and either answer just gets you yelled at by your team lol
In regards to the grouping question, if you friends are refusing to play with you unless it's Comp.... maybe think about how good of a friend they are? Like, if they really wanted to play with you, the game mode wouldn't matter.
Why did everyone forget that “Wide Queues” are gonna get added for comp?
The solution to question 4 is literally gonna be added in the next few seasons
Info from blizzcon really needs to be posted on social media as an infographic or smth 😞
My biggest beef with the new ranked is that we get less comp points, 20 per win if you include progress points, also 3.333 points for a loss? Encouraging casuals to play as even if you lose 900 games you get 3000 competitive points
I played a game of comp and it said the skill range was silver to plat and there was a diamond rolling everyone on the enemy team. The new comp system sucks ass.
Ana players when ana is bad for one season 😱😱😱😱😱😱
Why is it always the high elo players that have this "I want to play with my bronze friend" opinion. Pretty sure the Bronze player doesn't want to get placed in GM lobbies. QP is ruined because there is no balanced matchmaking and it prioritizes low queue times over matchmaking. I shouldn't be duo'd with a Bronze and we get stuck against Masters 5 Stacks but it happens CONSTANTLY in QP. Where as Comp actually feels like the lobby is filled with people around my skillset. Unless there's a smurf.
Also, sounds like the Masters 5 Winston doesn't like QP and his friends enjoy getting boosted. Kind of a weak argument for ruining lobbies for other people.
qp has decent matchmaking, but if you queue with someone who is low rank in qp you usually roll
I'm sorry, but smurfing is never okay. You're just being a jerk to someone who just wanted to win some comp games and rank up.
If you think that your all plat friends just "want to have fun with you and play comp" when you're a GM1 then you're either ignorant or complicit. It's obvious they just want you to carry. I get comp rules and QP rules are different (and honestly QP needs a huge overhaul imo because it really does not favor player choice at all) but that's no excuse to ruin 5 other people's games because your friends begged you to carry them out of plat.
Projectile size is way to high... i dont understand why the hell it counts as hit if people shoot 1m left or right away of the enemy... Why should people get rewarded for missing shots??
They new dps passiv is also dumb, yes i'm a support main, i get zero problems with this passiv, BUT.... as long as the enemys dont run a sombra or tracer... U cant do sh*t against them. I even started to play one of my most hated chars (boring moira) because she has a escape...
My problem is, before the projectile changes, I could down a lobby as widow but after they were added it took so long for me to be able to do it again 😭
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