I just found Mr. Ross I can’t believe TH-cam has hidden this man from me for so long. He has phew… saved my faith is an understatement. My comment however was I thought the other 2 men were atheists for a minute and I just looked at their faces and it dawned on me they were Christians. Just from their demeanor. It amazes me this beams through almost every person. You can just tell. It’s beautiful.
@@Bibledingers You would be very Wise to check out the numerous videos on this subject. You might discover Dr Ross just might be wrong. Always investigate BOTH sides of an issue. Trust BUT verify. This works for religion just as for politics.
I can't help but notice that it's Eric Hovind and Ken Ham, etc who come across as condescending and dismissive. Dr Ross sat there humbly through all of that and, like Jesus, didn't say nary a word.
None of that matters only the word of God matters, and there is a six day creation. No getting around it no matter how hard you try. Evolutionism is a religion debunked easily by science.
@@RB-sz9gv I don't believe in evolution and neither does Dr Ross. We believe in miraculous, sudden creation and the Cambrian Explosion (CE) bears that out. But the CE happened over 500 million years ago, not 6,000.
@@RB-sz9gvthere is no logical reason that God didn't design evolution into the creation of the universe. The world and everything God created is far more wonderous than either camp can see
The phrase evening and morning in Hebrew means something that was started was completed . Each day is marked by an evening and morning, and there is no evening and morning for the seventh day . We are still in the seventh day .
@@Terrylb285 The evening and morning were the first day, we are told what happened, and that it happened in a day. The six days of creation and resting on the 7th day is an example we are to follow, work six days and rest on the 7th. God still being in the 7th day does not make any sense when you consider the example God was giving us.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
@@djsarg7451 I do enter into the 7th day once a week after working 6 days, as God did in creating and I rest on the 7th day as God did when finished creating. Do you think God does not want us to work now? Or is this referring to working for salvation? The bible teaches we need to repent from our sins and obey God's commands as we are not saved through our works but by the grace of God for past sins and repenting obeying God's commands when we make God the Lord of our life. The bible was clear in the 24 hour day by stating evening and morning, there is no way around that.
If evolutionists had never come up with their godless theory, would we even be having this debate? I think not. We as Christians would accept Genesis as it is written, evening and morning, 24 hour days!
You clearly have not read the early church father on this then. Stop looking at the Scriptures with a modern, western English lense. The length of the days was never a point of contention or importance. But multiple noted it very well may not have been a single day at all.
Exactly. Then why does Hugh Ross twist God's Word to say what it doesn't say? Hugh Ross believes God used big bang evolution and millions of years to create the world. God says he made it in 6 solar days. Scripture interprets Scripture.
@@rajsahota5524 You had to add "solar" to make yourself clear. God did not and therefore is not as clear as you think. When you add "solar" you are interpreting.
@@pete8299 When you use the word "twisting" you are being unkind. Jesus called Peter Satan. You probably do not believe Peter is Satan, but you are doing what you accuse Hugh of doing. You probably do it quite a lot. Jesus said the stars would fall to the earth. Do you believe everything in Revelation is literal? Or do you "twist" aswell?
We can't use the Book of Nature because it's cursed?? The Bible tells us to use it in Psalm 19. Look at Psalm 65, does that sound like God cursed all of nature as Eric says?? It says "...cursed is the ground FOR YOUR SAKE, in sorrow (toil) shall you eat of it all the days of your life." Genesis 3:17. In other words, you now have to toil and sweat to cultivate the soil to make the crops grow. "The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof." Psalm 24:1. God don't curse what's His own.
Galatians 1:8-9 KJV "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." If you decide, or anyone decides, to use any other book, including this Book of Nature, as gospel, then I use the Bible itself to say you, or anyone using it, is accursed. This is not my words, but the Word of the Lord.
One of the most common and serious misunderstandings of Scripture is the belief that the Bible teaches that the fall of Adam so corrupted the natural realm that science no longer can be trusted to yield reliable information about the past condition of the universe, Earth, or Earth's life. This belief is based on a misinterpretation of Genesis 3:17: “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life." The ground here clearly refers to the soil that humans would work to get their food. To interpret "ground" as referring to the entirety of the universe or Earth is going far beyond the intent of the text. Also this passage does not state that the ground was cursed because God changed the physics or the chemistry of the ground. It puts the blame on human sin. Because of human sin the ground would be so abused that it would not produce food to the degree it would if it were not for human sin. This interpretation makes Genesis 3:17 consistent with Psalm 19:1-4, Psalm 97:6, and Romans 1:18-22, that God has given us two utterly trustworthy and reliable books: the book of Scripture and the book of nature. Both books are inerrant. Therefore, any conflict between science and theology is one of human misinterpretation and not because anything in either book is corrupted. As for Romans 9:18-22, Paul is explaining that God designed the entire universe and everything in it from the very moment of creation with the redemption of a countless number of humans in mind. Thus, from the cosmic creation moment God subjected the universe to an unchanging, pervasive law of decay (John 16:33, Jeremiah 33:25).
Then WHY do we have death? We were made in his image. Why did animls begin attacking one another, and what about posious snakes and other creatures, thrones on Rose bushes etc, etc!!,
Since when has science been right about everything? Time and time again science have had to reevaluate their findings. What is absolute in the morning can be obsoleate by evening. Thing are ever changings!!
@@priscillajervey8345 that’s not a good argument, because the same is true with the Christian Church. The Church and theologians believed the earth was stationary and the sun revolved around it. Based on a simple reading of many scriptures this view was held for almost 1500 years starting with Aristotle. But a few scientists dared to question the consensus. The same is happening today , eventually the church will admit that the earth is billions not thousands. Then the church can move on to the next church splitting topic that has nothing to do with salvation.
This shows us why By Faith we are saved and not works. Both of these men truly live in this command “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind”. This is a debate and both of them represent themselves well in it.😊
It seems to me that the fruit of the Spirit is more readily appreciable in the conduct of Mr. Ross. I thank Jesus for him frequently because he has helped me see that people can live in obedience to God while having contradicting views about some aspects of reality.
Where’s the continuation to this video. This is just an introduction to the two points of view. I went to your channel, and did not see any subsequent videos on this.
Romans 1:20 For from the creation of the world the invisible things of Him are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
So, if in Article IV the Holy Spirit never teaches anyone anything which is contrary to scripture, is Eric Hovind saying anyone not believing like him isn't saved because they are not being led by the Holy Spirit? To me, I saw one of the two living Colossians 3:12 and Ephesians 4:2. There was no meekness and patience in Eric Hovind.
I do not believe he trying to be arrogrant, or rudely judgemental but clear and percise with scrriptural understanding, and when you hear someone misleading the clear words of God it can be very dissconcerting, He is right on. He is just very passionate about his beliefs. The scriptures tell us to test the spirits! Chritians can believe the most horrid things and claim they are being led by the holy spirit!!!
@@priscillajervey8345 He is arrogant the same as his father. I tried watching Hovind sr do a Q&A session with some college students. He used circular reasoning after circular reasoning to "rebutt" their honest questions. One asked about evolution and his reasoning was basically: "it's a lie because it's not the truth. Why is it not the truth? Because it's a lie." That was the depth of his answer. No evidence. I was horrified to think this is what these kids were going to think composed Christianity.
God rested on the 7th day [a day consisted of morning and evening] Okay is he still resting on his throne?? I thought he was a hands -on God? Was it really necessary to state that the 7th day had to have an evening? Seriously? He had already repeated what a day consisted of. WAS IT REALLY NECESSARY FOR HIM TO DRAW YOU A PICTURE?
He rested from His creative work. Not to catch His breath. There remains a sabbath rest for those who believe on Him, hence no marker of an end to the seventh day as we are still in it.
No not true. Adam would have prefect teeth, no sun spots or sun tan. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
The only thing that comes to mind is that Jesus stated that in thr BEGINNING of creation God created man and woman, also Jesus' linage goes all the way back to Adam. Something to think about.
hey Eric buddy, did you know that Hipparchus didnt work out the 24 hour day? It wasn't even put into practice untill about 147 to 127 BC! So isn't Genesis, the creation before that??????????
So you are aware that Genesis was written by Moses and that he would have understood a day ending at sunset? We know this because the Jews actually get the 7 day week, the sabbath being a day of rest and the new day beginning after sunset from the creation story. If later on someone breaks it into hours or says the one rotation of the earth on it axis, it’s still the same time span.
@@russellnentwich8745there isnt actual proof moses wrote it and by your logic our understanding would be day abd night not an actual timeline with times giving by God so be a lot more humble man
Thank you for the work you have put into making this video and this channel in general. Have you come across the Elephant Room videos that also have good content? Personally, I am attempting to open my mind (more than I have previously) to the possibility of a young earth. Hovind made some strong points at the beginning about context and the probable meaning of the word "yom" in Genesis 1. However, I still have some questions, for example why do Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 seem to display some contradictions if the text is purely literal/historical? Ultimately, I believe Jesus is the Truth, and none of us sees with perfect clarity. Jeremiah 23:20, Jeremiah 30:24, 1 Corinthians 13:12. I think this debate is one of the better opportunities Christians have to practice humility, intellectual wrestling and move toward the oneness that Jesus prayed for his church.
@@TommyNitro Yes , TO THE LORD!!! This is such an old and worn rebbuttal. ONLY in Genesis does anyone qiestion what YOM means. Every where else in the scriptures a day is a a 24 hr period.
@ "In the day that He created it". Genesis chapter 2. At least a week there. The Day of the Lord will not be a literal 24 hours. In fact, yom meant some of the daylight hours, all of the daylight hours, sunset to sunset (24 hours) or any set period of time having a beginning and end. If you read the early church fathers and first century Jews you'd find most had no problem with a long period of time. Origen noted time as we mark it did not start until the 4th day. Philo believed creation was instantaneous and that the 6 days were figurative or metaphorical. "It is quite foolish to think that the world was created in six days or in a space of time at all...[he explains his reasoning]...When, then, Moses says, 'He finished His work on the sixth day, we must understand him to be adducing not a quantity of days, but a perfect number, namely six." "This is such an old and worn rebbuttal." - And yet Justin Martyr and Irenaeus both refer to Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 to support that potentially a day could be at least 1000 years- with Irenaeus noting Adam did, in fact, die before reaching 1000 years, showing that in the "day" he ate the fruit he died. *Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Augustine. None of them held to a literal 24 hour period*. So, no. A "literal" 24 hour period according to the modern English, Western culture definition is NOT the orthodox (aka original) view of the length of the creation days.
Every reference in scripture yom means 24 hrs.. only for old earthers. Do they make an exception for genisus 1. It seems old earthers are projecting millions of years onto the text when its clearly not.
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with either party. Merely observing the arguments and commenting on the efficacy of assertions. 1)Not a fan that Dr. Ross gave a wide ‘talking points’ exposition as his reason(s) for the point of which no part was directly connected, only implied or, in most cases, are Red Herring Fallacy. 2)Agree with Hovind, ‘nature’ is not a 67th book of the Bible. 3)Disagree with Hovind that ‘according to Scripture, nature has been corrupted.’ Isa6:3 says ‘the whole world is full of His glory.’ Psa24 & 93 talk about the earth & the sea are God’s and lift up their voice honorifically. Gen3:17 isn’t that the land is cursed on account of God making it poorly, the land is cursed on account of man’s sin. To say another way, ‘man’s toils/labors in the dirt will be exhausting and imperfect.’ Which is what v18-19 say. Not ‘the whole earth is cursed and because God messed up in creation & man has to deal with the struggle of a cursed earth- heads up Adam.’ 4a)To the article 4 ‘Holy Spirit never teaches something contrary to Scriptures’: Do the Scriptures say explicitly the earth is young? Do the Scriptures say explicitly the earth is old? So neither is a ‘contrary’ to Scriptures. A False Dilemma fallacy is established that ‘one of these strictly 2 positions of the nearly dozen is wrong.’ If there are more than 2 views, and if both parties can be wrong, then you have a fallacy. B)to both parties, and don’t get me wrong academic discussion & debate on this topic is meritorious, my question is: if you got to heaven and God said earth is billions of years old to Hovind or the earth is barely 10 thousand years to Ross, how much time was wasted on a tertiary matter being elevated to a soteriological level instead of actually spreading the gospel? 5)Another article ‘the Bible asserts in propositional statements, but nature doesn’t.’ This is a true statement, however the article doesn’t say how God communicates in & through the natural world He created & still maintains day in and day out. You make an Equivocation fallacy to require nature to be propositional when inerrancy is about the Bible. 6)Attacking Dr. Ross at his testimony of becoming a Christian, where God genuinely changed his heart from stone to flesh, and saying ‘his testimony contradicts inerrancy which, as previously quoted the Holy Spirit cannot do,’ is basically calling him unsaved. That’s an Ad Hominem fallacy. 7)Completely agree with Hovind that Ross cannot stand on a ‘book of nature’ being in the ballpark or equivalent to Scripture in inerrancy. There is no basis for it. God can teach through nature, God can save through nature & the revelation of His divine attributes, but nature is not inerrant as we describe the Bible to be.
Eric talks about a bias …but happens to have the exact same view as his dad lol . Also he reads so much into scripture. All the times he mentions word “Yom” is in the Bible? Someone would have to strictly calculate that out to determine the assumption 24hrs…Some one like my grandmother with very strong faith doesn’t understand a lot of deeper theological takes and would never be able to “clearly” see young earth. You may have a view Eric, it might even be a decent one, but to act like it’s “exact” “absolute” ….”clear in scripture” is highly skeptical. Eric and his dad can never be wrong in any debate I’ve witnessed they also cast judgement on others and poke at the strength of peoples faith. Eric did with IP badly. “Your righteousness is to exceed the Pharisees” , you can have views and be humble and think provisionally. I think it’s safe to say its okay not to fully understand how God did everything, and we don’t have to cram contemporary science into every passage.
I appreciate both perspectives but they both can’t be right. I use to agree with the teachings of Hovind, but I’m learning more towards Dr. Ross interpretation now. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think the Bible says that nature is corrupted in the sense he used. Humanity did fall and nature is not perfect, but it is still through nature that we know that God exists according to Romans. I also noticed that those who study the cosmos like Dr. Ross has a better understanding than those who do not. I think time moved differently in the early universe and time moves differently in space so I think it is possible and even more plausible that the universe is old. We don’t know what astronomers and cosmologist know, that’s why we are the body of Christ and need each other to understand these things.
Scripture support Scripture as our reality reflects Scripture. The book of Genesis chapter one are literally 24-hour Days. And chapter 2 is the highlights of creation pertaining too Gen. 1. Or to say, the unspoken details of chapter One. Saying the days of creation are not 24 hour periods, is not Spirit Led. It's a carnal perspective. God is not a lier. He gave the physical recipe for creation in chapters 1&2.
What Eric fails to realize is that the Bible is meant for people of all times. They don’t talk about photons in the Bible because they didn’t know it back then, therefore the Bible speaks in very general terms. So that people of anytime period can understand it while at the same time be able to discover new truths through nature.
A question for Eric. The Septuagint which Paul and other New Testament writers quoted teaches that the world was not created in 4004 BC but based on the genealogies that the earth was created in 5500 BC making the earth now 7,500 years old not 6,000 years old.
Watch the debate with Eric’s father Kent Hovind and Dr Ross on the John Ankerberg show . This debate was a good 20 years or more ago. I was just a new Christian then also. I never saw such a display of rudeness in a Christian. At this point I began an OEC .
Evidently, you don't know the theology of the semi-political and power hungry stance of what became of the Pharisees. They denied Jesus' view of creation, as does Ross.
Sorry Eric , the fact that this video ends before Ross has a chance to respond to your diatribe shows something about this channel . You show hostility , Eric , and you are wrong ! I became a Christian watching The Way at a Chuck Smith tent service at 13 years old . My parents were both PHD english teachers and reading Genesis carefully in plain english made me almost loose my faith ! Think about it , The way it is written if you take the days as 24 hour days it makes no sense !I am so glad that Ross gave me a way of looking at the Genesis 1 scriptures in perspective , Like God moving on the waters and how light could come in after the creation of the sun . I see you yelling and screaming in your rebuttal in this debate which is not really a debate because you cut Ross off after your self righteous rant in a very unpleasing tone . Think about this ; Time is nothing to God , a quadrillion quadrillion quadrillion light years times a quadrillion quadrillion more are not even a nanosecond to God ! Why get so hostile about something that does not really matter ?
Frankly, Young Earth creationists are sick-in-the-l-lead. And, it was primarily a guy who holds a doctorate in applied physics from Stanford, has an I.Q. of 142, and, has had a career for which most other scientists would give their left-arm and right-leg, who mentored me out of my ATHEISM. He's a DEVOTED, CONVINCED Christian (as is his equally impressive astrophysicist wife) who's read the 'Bible' about 18 times.
Goodness are you confused, God's holy spirit moved over the waters, God said let there be light and there was. I don't think he wanted to work in the dark. It was later that God created the sun and the moon. So are you are saying that God's account of how He created everything on planet earth don't matter.? How old are you? How is you age determined? What year were you born, do you have a bith certificate? How many day [24-hr periods] make up a year?? Don't know....don't matter?? Seriously!! You are SO misguided.
I don't understand how believers that limit the age of the earth as starting at the time when Adam and Eve were created, can reconcile the fact that 1) clearly angels were created before man's creation (Job 38:7), as angels are seen rejoicing when God was laying it's foundations-- and 2) that Satan, before his fall, is seen in Ezekiel 28:13-19 inhabiting a "mineral type earth" particularly in Eden past. The topography of this ancient "earth" and "Edenic garden" - is different than ours -- for Satan dwells amongst the most beautiful of gemstones --the same gems that we know are mined from underneath our vegetative earth Gen. 1. Clearly there were inhabitants existing at one time on the same earth core --- but before God judged Satan and ex-nihilo, "re-created" the Earth's topography for man. It fits with the fact that in Gen. 1 the curtain opens on a dark, seemingly prior-judged earth that God then re-creates into the world we now inhabit. It matches the fact that the Garden of Eden"s Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was already there before man, warning him later not to follow Satan's ways and take God's leadership lightly.
First off The are no days without a sun. Secondly the morning and evening occur at different times depending on where you are on the earth. Thirdly if there is no universe or anything in position that relatea to earth it isn't spinning. I guess just a few more reasons that those days aren't literal 24hours.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Eric kept on saying "nature is fallen" therefore it cannot be trusted whereby implying that nature can lie. What an idiotic statement! Yet whenever people like him debate an atheist I bet that they will also get some of their evidence from nature. It is our interpretation of nature as well as Scriptures that might be wrong sometimes but never the Book of Nature and the Book of Scriptures.
I’ve watched many debates with Dr Ross , Dr Ross says his Asperger’s syndrome has gifted him . He says sometimes he doesn’t even know he’s been insulted till hours after the debate.
I don't like how Dr. Ross would talk and then Eric would talk and it's the end of the video. There should be more content to this discussion. Am I missing something here?
Here is a new idea - whatever the length of the day was, there could have been millions of years between the days. There is no statement that the days immediately succeeded each other. What is the defining function of Elohim? It is judgement. We are misled in believing physical creation occurred during each day. Why do we say that NASA or the TVA were created by the federal government, when the government simply approved their creation? The same situation applies to the days of creation. Elohim approved only what was within the divine plan for the earth. Only the approved ones have legitimate spiritual status for the earth. Other organisms that were not approved could have been predecessors to those that were approved.
I grew up with the Fundamentalist teaching of the Schofield reference Bible and the teaching of Fundamentalists like Bernard Ramm who taught the Gap Theory of creation that Genesis 1:1 describes a pre Adamic world. Genesis 1:2 was translated and the world became void and without form…. And the re-creation that took place in 6 literal days. That meant that the earth created in 1:1 could be millions of years old but the recreation in verses 2 and following is only 6,000 years old and was created in 6 literal days. The Fundamentals said that dinosaurs and all the geological formations that scientists say are millions of years old were part of the predates world God destroyed when Satan got proud and rebelled. These men including Darby the founder of dispensationalism all strongly defended the inerrancy and infallibility of Gods word but taught that the earth was older than just 6000 years. They were as arrogant about creation as Eric yet didn’t believe in a young earth.
Yelp the absurd Gap theory. Yelp death came before Adam. I did not preceive Eric as arrogrant, just very passionate about Scriptures and defending God's Creative narrative.
@@Terrylb285 you're mixing categories. What type of science is that the realm of 'debate' in? Yes actually in the Old Testament we can calculate the age of the earth from creation, see James Usher's book on this. Actually Scripture interprets itself 'Sola Scripturer' was one of the Reformation doctrines. Who has the final authority on these things Terry man or God?
James Usher in his work simply looked at the 'begats' and genealogys in the O.T and concluded with what the O.T already supported. That we live on a young earth not an old earth. Who is your final authority Terry? Ushers was God...
This is about understanding not authority, your question is in error. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Oh yes! The book that has been translated countless times. A book that Christians can’t even agree on, so much so that they create different denominations because of it.
Romans Ch 1 presents general revelation ("the book of nature") as proof of God's existance and majesty to mankind. Eric erroneously contradicts this scripture saying creation (nature) is fallen, invalidating general revelation. Hugh Ross, through the lens of modern science, simply validates and expands upon general revelation (scripture) in great detail, for the sake of mankind (unbelievers). So, the "book of nature" does support scripture. 2 Peter 3:8 ( ...one day and a thousand years are the same to the Lord...) reflects His patience and that His perspective is outside of time as we see it. So could a day be in the creation description in Gen 1, if He so chose to mean it like that. Other points Ross gives seem valid: different meanings of Hebrew for day, father, and un-matching genealogies, etc give credence to this interesting perspective. Eric, a bit hostile in attitude the whole time in contrast to Hugh, started to accuse Ross of heresy, but Ross diffused that. God could have easily and plainly said a million times in scripture exactly when creation happened with a simple back reference if it was crucial.. Eg. "When Moses crossed the Red Sea, it had been 3000 years since creation." John 3:16 does not say "Whomever believes in young earth creation will be saved" ... Jesus is our Sabbath rest and peace under the new covenant... Rest from working to earn God's acceptance, and freedom from legalism, Performance Christianity (PC), and new creatures in Christ. So, we're always enjoying the sabbath (day 7).
What I think unpleasant at this discussion is the way how Eric uses covert ad hominem attacks towards a fellow man in Christ- and I think that's very disappointing and unchristian but unfortunately very prominent with YECnists. Eric argues with statistics how many times the word 'yom" means a literal translation etc but there it already gets unfair as we don't know the examples he is using so we can't follow is line of argument. Why however use unfair argumentative methods in a Christian debate? The ad hominem attacks how Ross arguably got his viewpoint from science and just "squeezed" it into scripture is not an honest argument either and not valid. It's just an ad hominem attack ment to discredit the person and I must say that sort of discussion technique is not crowned by love but more of obvious covert hatred. Is it impossible that God intended the Genesis story to be more poetic and not 100% literal? Don’t even we simplify complicated issues in stories to our children? Aren’t we also children for God? Our IQ is barely 140. Gods IQ is probably infinite so you want to tell me it’s impossible God intended Genesis 1 to be more figurative and poetic, after all do Man and Woman literally become "one flesh" or was it really an "Apple" that Eve gave to Adam? I’m not saying Adam and Eve didn’t exist, the Genealogy from Adam to Abraham, Noah and Christ is clear and true but the creation story could be more of an attempt to give us stupid humans an idea of what happened instead of a 100% literal account. The Bible uses a similar approach in many places. There is the 70weeks prophecy of Daniel which is not literal 70 weeks either but a day is actually a year! Not literally 70 weeks. So how can we be sure Genesis is 100% literal? Another issue is wouldn’t it be more faithful to just trust that God will reveal all that happened one day and we just trust on that and accept we are like Children and have faith in just that. We know that God created everything through Jesus and he created the universe in steps, but why must we insist we "know" exactly what happened? Why? Is that not Christian Narcissism to be so boastful to claim you "know" what happened and exclude any other possible intention God might have?! I would be too afraid and respectful of God to claim i know exactly what happened and what he intended. I think it’s much more humble to accept we needn’t know exactly. Also see the vibes coming from these discussions. Do they elevate Christ? No. They harm the cause of spreading the Gospel and the love of Christ because we have allowed dogmatism to overshadow love. Is the topic relevant to our faith no!
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
@@djsarg7451 that was a long argument for meaning of “ day”..here I’ll make it short and maybe not sweet,; days in creation are 24 hrs, not waiting for the insects to pollinate the plants thousands of years in between
.Folks, God is NOT still resting!! Get over it!!! He he a hands-on God. HE isn't still snoozing on his throne. What did Jesus say about his father always working? John 5:17: "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working"
I think Genesis 2:4 makes it very clear that the "Days" of creation are supposed to be read as " GENERATIONS " eras , long period of time ! PERIOD !!!! And to boot the physical evidence is there!
Ever since I learned about the big bang, I had fun with the idea that what happened in the moment just before the big bang was the big collapse of the previous universal existence, which is what will also happen at the end of our present universal existence. Just a cyclical series of big bangs, existences, and big collapses, and so on. Not trying to debate, it's just fun to think about.
The usable energy of the universe is in continual decline, the universe doesn't collapse in on itself and then rebound back out into another fresh big bang, there's way too little usable energy left for that to happen.
The cults like Mormons, JWs, and Muslims claim that they are the only ones with the truth. Eric seems to have the same attitude. I just wonder if this attitude is not of God. If a person is loving, kind and thinks no evil is a good pointer to someone having the truth, or at least worth listening to.
@@cryptochris9001 That is true, and the person who has the biggest brain, older, combined with humility, is more likely to see where a younger proud person is going wrong. And a young person is more likely to be judgemental.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
God created (formed from nothing) in the beginning (an undisclosed time before the first day). But made (transformed for service) the planets in six days. The first day is when the world wide ocean which darkened the sea floor (the face of the deep) became shallow enough over the continents as the ocean basins opened. Since the first day we had a pre existing earth and universe so we had old materials without days being of a long context. The processes that transformed the earth from a smooth earth covered with water created a surface with basins and continents in 3 days. This generated what the naturalist attibutes to plate tectonics. So we have 3 days not hundreds of millions if years. No new interpretations of scriptures are needed to accomodate deep time.
The Bible states that nothing should be added to or subtracted from the Word of God. God called light day and darkness night, nothing to do with time! Let's leave it at that. The Bible also makes it crystal clear that time is relative! A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Einstein proved that time is relative! So please stop arguing about something we know nothing about. The Bible tells us the laws of physics are fixed and we are instructed to put everything to the test and hold fast to that which is good. That's the scientific method. So God created the scientific method. That means following where the evidence leads. The book of Nature should confirm the book of Scripture and it does using the scientific method. Scientific and archaeological discoveries are proving the accuracy of the Bible on a monthly basis in our lifetime! Only God knows the end from the beginning. We are just discovering what the Bible already knew. Maranatha
So would you say there is no evidence between night and day. Do you have clocks in your house? How about electric lights? Why?? Do you have a calander. Why?? If your best friend , mother or someone tells you they are going to be out of town for two weeks, would you be able to figure out when they would be back?? "To the LORD a thousand years is as a day and a day as a thousand years" but NOT to us mortals. I agree that Nature confirms the Bible. God's word is truth.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
If we didn't know how long a day was then how could scriptures tell us that Adams lived 930 yrs and how many days did rain upon the whole earth. How old was Noah when he died. How could there be any genelogies. If one didn't know how many hours make up a day how could the age of anything be determined?? How do we know that it rained for 40 days and nights etc, doesn't that present a problem? The creation narrative tells us that God pla ced the sun and moon in the heavens for US to determine the days, weeks and seasons. The moon the months. God did this for us, but man in his high brow attitude and pride want to tell God - we know better than you!
I was hoping to hear a logical debate but instead all I heard was Hugh Ross explain his view and Eric Hovind just talk negatively about Ross, his faith and how he came to faith. Not cool Hovind! 😑
So ahmmnn you happened to be the one that is qualified judge that the bible shouldn't be taken literally? you know you guys really cherry pick everything.. u pick one bible verse to support your argument the literal way and then those than can easily repute by non-believers will now be explained as metaphorical way. the fact that christianity is very much divided is also something to look into..
Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.
Psalm 19 . Roman’s chapter 1. God speaks to us through his creation . Paul condemned the gentiles even before they heard the gospel, because they knew God but exchanged the truth for a lie.
You do not read your Bible. Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Job 12:7-10 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you.
Genesis 1 is Lucifer and the fallen angels. They made man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap for angels. Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand. Matthew 6:14-15 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
I “Like” Dr. Ross. He is very kind and gracious & I am sure he is very genuine as well. He has an uncommon ability to discuss & debate in a way that is also kind, generous, patient and humble. That is hard to do when in a debate or discussion such as this. So, good for him with all that - but I still he is wrong. The way I see this issue …. 1. There is plenty of scientific evidence that appears to support old earth creation. 2. There is also plenty of scientific evidence that supports young earth creation. 3. There are credible & accredited PHD’s on both sides. So that leaves me with just two points to consider …. 4. What does my own mind and my own experiences tell me. 5. And finally & most Importantly…. What does the Bible say about this. After considering all of that, it would seem to me that the young earth view is the correct view.
Just a comment to try to keep you from settling with this framework. Points 1. & 2. What examples do you have of each? and how have you reconciled seemingly contradictory scientific evidence? And which one handles the others evidence better? A YT comment probably doesn't have enough space to really answer it, but just curious.
@@Logosguy-fv1bj I don’t want to get into a long debate on YT comments. Regarding examples of points # 1 & 2. They are out there. I know each side can generally offer ways to deal with them to try to answer each sides evidences. Sometimes I can’t reconcile the OE view in a particular point. As an example, the issue of naming the animals & Eve as a help mate… I must admit I find that particular point very hard to deal with as a young earther.
That is not the point of what Romans is even talking about. Romans 1 and 2 are discussing the reality of the conscience. You need to go back and read it again, in its full context.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
That is not in the Bible: Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Job 12:7-10 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to? Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
The Bible is only a snapshot of what God did. You cannot find whole truth about how much time elapsed during God's creation by those few words. Moses was trying to describe the vision God gave him about creation. Moses did not have knowledge of the universe, he did know little about the sun or the orbiting earth. Moses did his best to describe what he saw just like others in the Bible who tried to describe what they saw when God showed them visions. Obeying and worshipping God is the main point of the Bible. We do that by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins and loving Jesus enough to do everything He taught us. We may know someday all about creation but we may not know because it is not important to our salvation. Jesus is important to our salvation. God's ways are so far above our ways, our thinking, and our knowledge, that we must not even try to know what God knows.
Lord bless Dr. Ross and his family..
Last I checked the articles of the international counsel of biblical hermeneutics wasn't scripture either.
I just found Mr. Ross I can’t believe TH-cam has hidden this man from me for so long. He has phew… saved my faith is an understatement. My comment however was I thought the other 2 men were atheists for a minute and I just looked at their faces and it dawned on me they were Christians. Just from their demeanor. It amazes me this beams through almost every person. You can just tell. It’s beautiful.
Yep, all Christians. We’ve done several videos with Dr. Ross at this point. Check them out!
@@Bibledingers You would be very Wise to check out the numerous videos on this subject. You might discover Dr Ross just might be wrong. Always investigate BOTH sides of an issue. Trust BUT verify. This works for religion just as for politics.
I can't help but notice that it's Eric Hovind and Ken Ham, etc who come across as condescending and dismissive. Dr Ross sat there humbly through all of that and, like Jesus, didn't say nary a word.
None of that matters only the word of God matters, and there is a six day creation. No getting around it no matter how hard you try. Evolutionism is a religion debunked easily by science.
@@RB-sz9gv I don't believe in evolution and neither does Dr Ross. We believe in miraculous, sudden creation and the Cambrian Explosion (CE) bears that out. But the CE happened over 500 million years ago, not 6,000.
@@RB-sz9gvactions matter more if you ask me. And except it isn't easily debunked....
@@RB-sz9gvthere is no logical reason that God didn't design evolution into the creation of the universe.
The world and everything God created is far more wonderous than either camp can see
Agreed. I did not appreciate his tone at all.
the evening and the morning where the first day, how can that be interpreted as a long period of time? how is evening and morning being interpreted ?
My question, too
The phrase evening and morning in Hebrew means something that was started was completed . Each day is marked by an evening and morning, and there is no evening and morning for the seventh day . We are still in the seventh day .
@@Terrylb285 The evening and morning were the first day, we are told what happened, and that it happened in a day. The six days of creation and resting on the 7th day is an example we are to follow, work six days and rest on the 7th. God still being in the 7th day does not make any sense when you consider the example God was giving us.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
@@djsarg7451 I do enter into the 7th day once a week after working 6 days, as God did in creating and I rest on the 7th day as God did when finished creating. Do you think God does not want us to work now? Or is this referring to working for salvation? The bible teaches we need to repent from our sins and obey God's commands as we are not saved through our works but by the grace of God for past sins and repenting obeying God's commands when we make God the Lord of our life. The bible was clear in the 24 hour day by stating evening and morning, there is no way around that.
If evolutionists had never come up with their godless theory, would we even be having this debate? I think not. We as Christians would accept Genesis as it is written, evening and morning, 24 hour days!
This is the strawman fallacy that YEC fall into. To them, it is 24 hour days or evolution. Old earth and young human are a third option.
You clearly have not read the early church father on this then. Stop looking at the Scriptures with a modern, western English lense.
The length of the days was never a point of contention or importance. But multiple noted it very well may not have been a single day at all.
Yes indeed,
I love Dr. Hugh Ross. Thank you for having him as a guest. God's Word is perfect. Man's interpretations and translations are not.
Same. 👍
Exactly. Then why does Hugh Ross twist God's Word to say what it doesn't say? Hugh Ross believes God used big bang evolution and millions of years to create the world. God says he made it in 6 solar days. Scripture interprets Scripture.
@@rajsahota5524young earthers do the same thing twist scriptures and try and jam it in their tiny YE box interpolation.
@@rajsahota5524 You had to add "solar" to make yourself clear. God did not and therefore is not as clear as you think. When you add "solar" you are interpreting.
@@pete8299 When you use the word "twisting" you are being unkind. Jesus called Peter Satan. You probably do not believe Peter is Satan, but you are doing what you accuse Hugh of doing. You probably do it quite a lot. Jesus said the stars would fall to the earth. Do you believe everything in Revelation is literal? Or do you "twist" aswell?
We can't use the Book of Nature because it's cursed?? The Bible tells us to use it in Psalm 19. Look at Psalm 65, does that sound like God cursed all of nature as Eric says?? It says "...cursed is the ground FOR YOUR SAKE, in sorrow (toil) shall you eat of it all the days of your life." Genesis 3:17. In other words, you now have to toil and sweat to cultivate the soil to make the crops grow. "The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof." Psalm 24:1. God don't curse what's His own.
Amen!
Galatians 1:8-9 KJV "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." If you decide, or anyone decides, to use any other book, including this Book of Nature, as gospel, then I use the Bible itself to say you, or anyone using it, is accursed. This is not my words, but the Word of the Lord.
The ground didn’t change Adam did , now the ground is cursed at the hands of sinful people.
One of the most common and serious misunderstandings of Scripture is the belief that the Bible teaches that the fall of Adam so corrupted the natural realm that science no longer can be trusted to yield reliable information about the past condition of the universe, Earth, or Earth's life. This belief is based on a misinterpretation of Genesis 3:17: “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life." The ground here clearly refers to the soil that humans would work to get their food. To interpret "ground" as referring to the entirety of the universe or Earth is going far beyond the intent of the text. Also this passage does not state that the ground was cursed because God changed the physics or the chemistry of the ground. It puts the blame on human sin. Because of human sin the ground would be so abused that it would not produce food to the degree it would if it were not for human sin. This interpretation makes Genesis 3:17 consistent with Psalm 19:1-4, Psalm 97:6, and Romans 1:18-22, that God has given us two utterly trustworthy and reliable books: the book of Scripture and the book of nature. Both books are inerrant. Therefore, any conflict between science and theology is one of human misinterpretation and not because anything in either book is corrupted. As for Romans 9:18-22, Paul is explaining that God designed the entire universe and everything in it from the very moment of creation with the redemption of a countless number of humans in mind. Thus, from the cosmic creation moment God subjected the universe to an unchanging, pervasive law of decay (John 16:33, Jeremiah 33:25).
Then WHY do we have death? We were made in his image. Why did animls begin attacking one another, and what about posious snakes and other creatures, thrones on Rose bushes etc, etc!!,
Notice Erics reasoning .if it doesn’t make sense to him then it can’t be true.If science disagrees with my interpretation it can’t be true
Since when has science been right about everything? Time and time again science have had to reevaluate their findings. What is absolute in the morning can be obsoleate by evening. Thing are ever changings!!
what is your point?
@@priscillajervey8345 that’s not a good argument, because the same is true with the Christian Church. The Church and theologians believed the earth was stationary and the sun revolved around it. Based on a simple reading of many scriptures this view was held for almost 1500 years starting with Aristotle. But a few scientists dared to question the consensus. The same is happening today , eventually the church will admit that the earth is billions not thousands. Then the church can move on to the next church splitting topic that has nothing to do with salvation.
Has science ever been wrong? If NO then why is it always changing.
This shows us why By Faith we are saved and not works. Both of these men truly live in this command “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind”. This is a debate and both of them represent themselves well in it.😊
It seems to me that the fruit of the Spirit is more readily appreciable in the conduct of Mr. Ross.
I thank Jesus for him frequently because he has helped me see that people can live in obedience to God while having contradicting views about some aspects of reality.
Dr. Hugh Ross in the house 🙂
Where’s the continuation to this video. This is just an introduction to the two points of view. I went to your channel, and did not see any subsequent videos on this.
This is the full interview
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@@Bibledingers Thanks!
That was an ambush by the YEC. And I hope the host was not party to this ambush. This is just rude.
Romans 1:20 For from the creation of the world the invisible things of Him are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
Yes.
In poetic speak, evening and morning is a way of saying the beginning and the ending of that day. Just like 7 weeks of years is poetic speak.
So, if in Article IV the Holy Spirit never teaches anyone anything which is contrary to scripture, is Eric Hovind saying anyone not believing like him isn't saved because they are not being led by the Holy Spirit? To me, I saw one of the two living Colossians 3:12 and Ephesians 4:2. There was no meekness and patience in Eric Hovind.
I do not believe he trying to be arrogrant, or rudely judgemental but clear and percise with scrriptural understanding, and when you hear someone misleading the clear words of God it can be very dissconcerting, He is right on. He is just very passionate about his beliefs. The scriptures tell us to test the spirits! Chritians can believe the most horrid things and claim they are being led by the holy spirit!!!
@@priscillajervey8345 He is arrogant the same as his father. I tried watching Hovind sr do a Q&A session with some college students. He used circular reasoning after circular reasoning to "rebutt" their honest questions. One asked about evolution and his reasoning was basically: "it's a lie because it's not the truth. Why is it not the truth? Because it's a lie." That was the depth of his answer. No evidence.
I was horrified to think this is what these kids were going to think composed Christianity.
God rested on the 7th day [a day consisted of morning and evening] Okay is he still resting on his throne?? I thought he was a hands -on God? Was it really necessary to state that the 7th day had to have an evening? Seriously? He had already repeated what a day consisted of. WAS IT REALLY NECESSARY FOR HIM TO DRAW YOU A PICTURE?
He rested from His creative work. Not to catch His breath. There remains a sabbath rest for those who believe on Him, hence no marker of an end to the seventh day as we are still in it.
Read again, the seventh day had no morning or evening.
People really don't know how old the earth is for Adam wasn't born, he was created as a grown man of age, that lived a long life
No not true. Adam would have prefect teeth, no sun spots or sun tan.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
The only thing that comes to mind is that Jesus stated that in thr BEGINNING of creation God created man and woman, also Jesus' linage goes all the way back to Adam. Something to think about.
@@djsarg7451 Surely you jest? What an absurd deduction. "Jesus said aren't there 12 hrs of sunlight" ???
hey Eric buddy, did you know that Hipparchus didnt work out the 24 hour day? It wasn't even put into practice untill about 147 to 127 BC! So isn't Genesis, the creation before that??????????
So you are aware that Genesis was written by Moses and that he would have understood a day ending at sunset? We know this because the Jews actually get the 7 day week, the sabbath being a day of rest and the new day beginning after sunset from the creation story. If later on someone breaks it into hours or says the one rotation of the earth on it axis, it’s still the same time span.
@@russellnentwich8745 Well stated and thought out.
@@russellnentwich8745there isnt actual proof moses wrote it and by your logic our understanding would be day abd night not an actual timeline with times giving by God so be a lot more humble man
Thank you for the work you have put into making this video and this channel in general. Have you come across the Elephant Room videos that also have good content? Personally, I am attempting to open my mind (more than I have previously) to the possibility of a young earth. Hovind made some strong points at the beginning about context and the probable meaning of the word "yom" in Genesis 1. However, I still have some questions, for example why do Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 seem to display some contradictions if the text is purely literal/historical? Ultimately, I believe Jesus is the Truth, and none of us sees with perfect clarity. Jeremiah 23:20, Jeremiah 30:24, 1 Corinthians 13:12. I think this debate is one of the better opportunities Christians have to practice humility, intellectual wrestling and move toward the oneness that Jesus prayed for his church.
Exactly where in scriptures does it say or even imply that a day is Long period of time? Someone please enlighten me.
“In the Days of Solomon’s reign”
"But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 3:8
It Doesn"t and that ist the scriptural truth.
@@TommyNitro Yes , TO THE LORD!!! This is such an old and worn rebbuttal. ONLY in Genesis does anyone qiestion what YOM means. Every where else in the scriptures a day is a a 24 hr period.
@ "In the day that He created it". Genesis chapter 2. At least a week there. The Day of the Lord will not be a literal 24 hours. In fact, yom meant some of the daylight hours, all of the daylight hours, sunset to sunset (24 hours) or any set period of time having a beginning and end.
If you read the early church fathers and first century Jews you'd find most had no problem with a long period of time. Origen noted time as we mark it did not start until the 4th day.
Philo believed creation was instantaneous and that the 6 days were figurative or metaphorical. "It is quite foolish to think that the world was created in six days or in a space of time at all...[he explains his reasoning]...When, then, Moses says, 'He finished His work on the sixth day, we must understand him to be adducing not a quantity of days, but a perfect number, namely six."
"This is such an old and worn rebbuttal."
- And yet Justin Martyr and Irenaeus both refer to Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 to support that potentially a day could be at least 1000 years- with Irenaeus noting Adam did, in fact, die before reaching 1000 years, showing that in the "day" he ate the fruit he died.
*Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Augustine. None of them held to a literal 24 hour period*.
So, no. A "literal" 24 hour period according to the modern English, Western culture definition is NOT the orthodox (aka original) view of the length of the creation days.
Every reference in scripture yom means 24 hrs.. only for old earthers. Do they make an exception for genisus 1. It seems old earthers are projecting millions of years onto the text when its clearly not.
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with either party. Merely observing the arguments and commenting on the efficacy of assertions.
1)Not a fan that Dr. Ross gave a wide ‘talking points’ exposition as his reason(s) for the point of which no part was directly connected, only implied or, in most cases, are Red Herring Fallacy.
2)Agree with Hovind, ‘nature’ is not a 67th book of the Bible.
3)Disagree with Hovind that ‘according to Scripture, nature has been corrupted.’ Isa6:3 says ‘the whole world is full of His glory.’ Psa24 & 93 talk about the earth & the sea are God’s and lift up their voice honorifically. Gen3:17 isn’t that the land is cursed on account of God making it poorly, the land is cursed on account of man’s sin. To say another way, ‘man’s toils/labors in the dirt will be exhausting and imperfect.’ Which is what v18-19 say. Not ‘the whole earth is cursed and because God messed up in creation & man has to deal with the struggle of a cursed earth- heads up Adam.’
4a)To the article 4 ‘Holy Spirit never teaches something contrary to Scriptures’: Do the Scriptures say explicitly the earth is young? Do the Scriptures say explicitly the earth is old? So neither is a ‘contrary’ to Scriptures. A False Dilemma fallacy is established that ‘one of these strictly 2 positions of the nearly dozen is wrong.’ If there are more than 2 views, and if both parties can be wrong, then you have a fallacy. B)to both parties, and don’t get me wrong academic discussion & debate on this topic is meritorious, my question is: if you got to heaven and God said earth is billions of years old to Hovind or the earth is barely 10 thousand years to Ross, how much time was wasted on a tertiary matter being elevated to a soteriological level instead of actually spreading the gospel?
5)Another article ‘the Bible asserts in propositional statements, but nature doesn’t.’ This is a true statement, however the article doesn’t say how God communicates in & through the natural world He created & still maintains day in and day out. You make an Equivocation fallacy to require nature to be propositional when inerrancy is about the Bible.
6)Attacking Dr. Ross at his testimony of becoming a Christian, where God genuinely changed his heart from stone to flesh, and saying ‘his testimony contradicts inerrancy which, as previously quoted the Holy Spirit cannot do,’ is basically calling him unsaved. That’s an Ad Hominem fallacy.
7)Completely agree with Hovind that Ross cannot stand on a ‘book of nature’ being in the ballpark or equivalent to Scripture in inerrancy. There is no basis for it. God can teach through nature, God can save through nature & the revelation of His divine attributes, but nature is not inerrant as we describe the Bible to be.
Scripture repeatedly says nature is a reliable source. Psalm 19 is a good one.
Eric talks about a bias …but happens to have the exact same view as his dad lol . Also he reads so much into scripture. All the times he mentions word “Yom” is in the Bible? Someone would have to strictly calculate that out to determine the assumption 24hrs…Some one like my grandmother with very strong faith doesn’t understand a lot of deeper theological takes and would never be able to “clearly” see young earth. You may have a view Eric, it might even be a decent one, but to act like it’s “exact” “absolute” ….”clear in scripture” is highly skeptical. Eric and his dad can never be wrong in any debate I’ve witnessed they also cast judgement on others and poke at the strength of peoples faith. Eric did with IP badly. “Your righteousness is to exceed the Pharisees” , you can have views and be humble and think provisionally. I think it’s safe to say its okay not to fully understand how God did everything, and we don’t have to cram contemporary science into every passage.
I appreciate both perspectives but they both can’t be right. I use to agree with the teachings of Hovind, but I’m learning more towards Dr. Ross interpretation now. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think the Bible says that nature is corrupted in the sense he used. Humanity did fall and nature is not perfect, but it is still through nature that we know that God exists according to Romans. I also noticed that those who study the cosmos like Dr. Ross has a better understanding than those who do not. I think time moved differently in the early universe and time moves differently in space so I think it is possible and even more plausible that the universe is old. We don’t know what astronomers and cosmologist know, that’s why we are the body of Christ and need each other to understand these things.
This was an incredible debate between Eric Hovind and John Malkovich.
U r trippin
@@Bibledingers Lol I couldn't help myself 🤣
Scripture support Scripture as our reality reflects Scripture. The book of Genesis chapter one are literally 24-hour Days. And chapter 2 is the highlights of creation pertaining too Gen. 1. Or to say, the unspoken details of chapter One. Saying the days of creation are not 24 hour periods, is not Spirit Led. It's a carnal perspective.
God is not a lier. He gave the physical recipe for creation in chapters 1&2.
Thanks for your comment. How do you explain Genesis 2:5-7? It seems to imply that God made man (day 6) before he made the plants (day 3)...?
Yes he did. The creation narrative is God's birth certificate to us. Without it WHAT WOULD WE HAVE? Think about it!!
@@godstories41Genesis 2 is not a chronological account unlike chapter 1. It is adding detail to the creation account, especially the creation of man.
Then you accuse the early church fathers of not heing Spirit led as almost none of them held rigidly to a 24 hour view.
How can you speak with authority on something absolutely no human could understand are you claiming to be god?
What Eric fails to realize is that the Bible is meant for people of all times. They don’t talk about photons in the Bible because they didn’t know it back then, therefore the Bible speaks in very general terms. So that people of anytime period can understand it while at the same time be able to discover new truths through nature.
A question for Eric. The Septuagint which Paul and other New Testament writers quoted teaches that the world was not created in 4004 BC but based on the genealogies that the earth was created in 5500 BC making the earth now 7,500 years old not 6,000 years old.
What does the Hebrew Bible say ?
The Hebrew Bible came before the Septuigant !
Young Christian here. Imperfect as they come. Why does the Hovind fella come across so Pharisee- like?
Watch the debate with Eric’s father Kent Hovind and Dr Ross on the John Ankerberg show . This debate was a good 20 years or more ago. I was just a new Christian then also. I never saw such a display of rudeness in a Christian. At this point I began an OEC .
Evidently, you don't know the theology of the semi-political and power hungry stance of what became of the Pharisees.
They denied Jesus' view of creation, as does Ross.
@@ghostl1124 Seems so.
Sorry Eric , the fact that this video ends before Ross has a chance to respond to your diatribe shows something about this channel . You show hostility , Eric , and you are wrong ! I became a Christian watching The Way at a Chuck Smith tent service at 13 years old . My parents were both PHD english teachers and reading Genesis carefully in plain english made me almost loose my faith ! Think about it , The way it is written if you take the days as 24 hour days it makes no sense !I am so glad that Ross gave me a way of looking at the Genesis 1 scriptures in perspective , Like God moving on the waters and how light could come in after the creation of the sun . I see you yelling and screaming in your rebuttal in this debate which is not really a debate because you cut Ross off after your self righteous rant in a very unpleasing tone . Think about this ; Time is nothing to God , a quadrillion quadrillion quadrillion light years times a quadrillion quadrillion more are not even a nanosecond to God ! Why get so hostile about something that does not really matter ?
Enid, this is just a clip from the entire unedited interview. You can find the full two and a half hour video on our TH-cam.
Frankly, Young Earth creationists are sick-in-the-l-lead. And, it was primarily a guy who holds a doctorate in applied physics from Stanford, has an I.Q. of 142, and, has had a career for which most other scientists would give their left-arm and right-leg, who mentored me out of my ATHEISM. He's a DEVOTED, CONVINCED Christian (as is his equally impressive astrophysicist wife) who's read the 'Bible' about 18 times.
what an epitome of a believer's mindset😂 draw it's own conclusion without checking any further before judging the channel.
Goodness are you confused, God's holy spirit moved over the waters, God said let there be light and there was. I don't think he wanted to work in the dark. It was later that God created the sun and the moon. So are you are saying that God's account of how He created everything on planet earth don't matter.? How old are you? How is you age determined? What year were you born, do you have a bith certificate? How many day [24-hr periods] make up a year?? Don't know....don't matter?? Seriously!! You are SO misguided.
@@persona5305when you laugh at your own comment that shows some really deep personal flaws yikes
I don't understand how believers that limit the age of the earth as starting at the time when Adam and Eve were created, can reconcile the fact that 1) clearly angels were created before man's creation (Job 38:7), as angels are seen rejoicing when God was laying it's foundations-- and 2) that Satan, before his fall, is seen in Ezekiel 28:13-19 inhabiting a "mineral type earth" particularly in Eden past.
The topography of this ancient "earth" and "Edenic garden" - is different than ours -- for Satan dwells amongst the most beautiful of gemstones --the same gems that we know are mined from underneath our vegetative earth Gen. 1.
Clearly there were inhabitants existing at one time on the same earth core ---
but before God judged Satan and ex-nihilo, "re-created" the Earth's topography for man.
It fits with the fact that in Gen. 1 the curtain opens on a dark, seemingly prior-judged earth that God then re-creates into the world we now inhabit.
It matches the fact that the Garden of Eden"s Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was already there before man, warning him later not to follow Satan's ways and take God's leadership lightly.
Oh using the old absurd Gap theory are you.
Have you been sniffing the vanilla extract? ex-nihilo [something from nothing]. Sound like the gap theory. Wonder why it is called a 'theory'?
Where are the rebuttals?...closing statements?
Dr. Ross is right!
for you maybe.
So, my question for Dr. Ross is how long are the days?
I guess days are as long as what sciences say.
First off The are no days without a sun. Secondly the morning and evening occur at different times depending on where you are on the earth. Thirdly if there is no universe or anything in position that relatea to earth it isn't spinning. I guess just a few more reasons that those days aren't literal 24hours.
I'm a little rusty on this stuff but I thought I heard him quote 2 Peter 3:8 regarding that a few years ago.
The sun moon and stars are not designated to serve as time markers for days seasons and years until day 4 .
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
Eric kept on saying "nature is fallen" therefore it cannot be trusted whereby implying that nature can lie.
What an idiotic statement! Yet whenever people like him debate an atheist I bet that they will also get some of their evidence from nature.
It is our interpretation of nature as well as Scriptures that might be wrong sometimes but never the Book of Nature and the Book of Scriptures.
I’ve watched many debates with Dr Ross , Dr Ross says his Asperger’s syndrome has gifted him . He says sometimes he doesn’t even know he’s been insulted till hours after the debate.
I don't like how Dr. Ross would talk and then Eric would talk and it's the end of the video. There should be more content to this discussion. Am I missing something here?
Yes! This is just a clip from the full debate which is on our channel.
Here is a new idea - whatever the length of the day was, there could have been millions of years between the days. There is no statement that the days immediately succeeded each other. What is the defining function of Elohim? It is judgement. We are misled in believing physical creation occurred during each day. Why do we say that NASA or the TVA were created by the federal government, when the government simply approved their creation? The same situation applies to the days of creation. Elohim approved only what was within the divine plan for the earth. Only the approved ones have legitimate spiritual status for the earth. Other organisms that were not approved could have been predecessors to those that were approved.
I grew up with the Fundamentalist teaching of the Schofield reference Bible and the teaching of Fundamentalists like Bernard Ramm who taught the Gap Theory of creation that Genesis 1:1 describes a pre Adamic world. Genesis 1:2 was translated and the world became void and without form…. And the re-creation that took place in 6 literal days. That meant that the earth created in 1:1 could be millions of years old but the recreation in verses 2 and following is only 6,000 years old and was created in 6 literal days. The Fundamentals said that dinosaurs and all the geological formations that scientists say are millions of years old were part of the predates world God destroyed when Satan got proud and rebelled.
These men including Darby the founder of dispensationalism all strongly defended the inerrancy and infallibility of Gods word but taught that the earth was older than just 6000 years.
They were as arrogant about creation as Eric yet didn’t believe in a young earth.
Yelp the absurd Gap theory. Yelp death came before Adam. I did not preceive Eric as arrogrant, just very passionate about Scriptures and defending God's Creative narrative.
The biggest question is, who has the final authority on what Genesis 1 says, Hugh Ross, Eric Hovind or God?
Does the Bible say how old the universe is , no it doesn’t. That’s a science debate. How long the days are in genesis is an interpretation debate.
@@Terrylb285 you're mixing categories. What type of science is that the realm of 'debate' in? Yes actually in the Old Testament we can calculate the age of the earth from creation, see James Usher's book on this. Actually Scripture interprets itself 'Sola Scripturer' was one of the Reformation doctrines. Who has the final authority on these things Terry man or God?
@@rajsahota5524 James ushers book is based on faulty data , and lack of information. But sounds like you believe James Ussher has the final authority.
James Usher in his work simply looked at the 'begats' and genealogys in the O.T and concluded with what the O.T already supported. That we live on a young earth not an old earth. Who is your final authority Terry? Ushers was God...
This is about understanding not authority, your question is in error.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
It isn’t true that anytime there is a number, there is 24 hours. I.e. 7th day.
If only you had a book that could clear these things up and Christians could be on the same page.
What a blessing that woul be!
Oh yes! The book that has been translated countless times. A book that Christians can’t even agree on, so much so that they create different denominations because of it.
No chance there's millions and billions of years ago. ✝️
Why did you stop without allowing Dr Ross to respond and for you to ask clarification questions
That was unhelpful
This is just a clip from the full conversation that you can see on our page.
Romans Ch 1 presents general revelation ("the book of nature") as proof of God's existance and majesty to mankind. Eric erroneously contradicts this scripture saying creation (nature) is fallen, invalidating general revelation. Hugh Ross, through the lens of modern science, simply validates and expands upon general revelation (scripture) in great detail, for the sake of mankind (unbelievers). So, the "book of nature" does support scripture.
2 Peter 3:8 ( ...one day and a thousand years are the same to the Lord...) reflects His patience and that His perspective is outside of time as we see it. So could a day be in the creation description in Gen 1, if He so chose to mean it like that. Other points Ross gives seem valid: different meanings of Hebrew for day, father, and un-matching genealogies, etc give credence to this interesting perspective.
Eric, a bit hostile in attitude the whole time in contrast to Hugh, started to accuse Ross of heresy, but Ross diffused that. God could have easily and plainly said a million times in scripture exactly when creation happened with a simple back reference if it was crucial.. Eg. "When Moses crossed the Red Sea, it had been 3000 years since creation." John 3:16 does not say "Whomever believes in young earth creation will be saved" ...
Jesus is our Sabbath rest and peace under the new covenant... Rest from working to earn God's acceptance, and freedom from legalism, Performance Christianity (PC), and new creatures in Christ. So, we're always enjoying the sabbath (day 7).
Yes, "The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof". What God owns is not cursed, that was a silly assertion by EH.
What I think unpleasant at this discussion is the way how Eric uses covert ad hominem attacks towards a fellow man in Christ- and I think that's very disappointing and unchristian but unfortunately very prominent with YECnists. Eric argues with statistics how many times the word 'yom" means a literal translation etc but there it already gets unfair as we don't know the examples he is using so we can't follow is line of argument. Why however use unfair argumentative methods in a Christian debate?
The ad hominem attacks how Ross arguably got his viewpoint from science and just "squeezed" it into scripture is not an honest argument either and not valid. It's just an ad hominem attack ment to discredit the person and I must say that sort of discussion technique is not crowned by love but more of obvious covert hatred.
Is it impossible that God intended the Genesis story to be more poetic and not 100% literal? Don’t even we simplify complicated issues in stories to our children? Aren’t we also children for God? Our IQ is barely 140. Gods IQ is probably infinite so you want to tell me it’s impossible God intended Genesis 1 to be more figurative and poetic, after all do Man and Woman literally become "one flesh" or was it really an "Apple" that Eve gave to Adam? I’m not saying Adam and Eve didn’t exist, the Genealogy from Adam to Abraham, Noah and Christ is clear and true but the creation story could be more of an attempt to give us stupid humans an idea of what happened instead of a 100% literal account. The Bible uses a similar approach in many places. There is the 70weeks prophecy of Daniel which is not literal 70 weeks either but a day is actually a year! Not literally 70 weeks. So how can we be sure Genesis is 100% literal? Another issue is wouldn’t it be more faithful to just trust that God will reveal all that happened one day and we just trust on that and accept we are like Children and have faith in just that. We know that God created everything through Jesus and he created the universe in steps, but why must we insist we "know" exactly what happened? Why? Is that not Christian Narcissism to be so boastful to claim you "know" what happened and exclude any other possible intention God might have?! I would be too afraid and respectful of God to claim i know exactly what happened and what he intended. I think it’s much more humble to accept we needn’t know exactly. Also see the vibes coming from these discussions. Do they elevate Christ? No. They harm the cause of spreading the Gospel and the love of Christ because we have allowed dogmatism to overshadow love. Is the topic relevant to our faith no!
Good job by Mr Hovind in explaining the meaning of a “ day” not “ in the days of”
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
@@djsarg7451 that was a long argument for meaning of “ day”..here I’ll make it short and maybe not sweet,; days in creation are 24 hrs, not waiting for the insects to pollinate the plants thousands of years in between
Brilliant rebuttal
@@richbozzi3148 Amen.
.Folks, God is NOT still resting!! Get over it!!! He he a hands-on God. HE isn't still snoozing on his throne. What did Jesus say about his father always working? John 5:17: "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working"
He's working in redemption, but not still creating the physical world.
You cut the video before there was a response from Ross.
You can view the entire video on our channel. This is just a clip.
Eric is using a personal argument against Hugh ... accusing him of preconceived bias.
Romans 1:20
Eric won this debate hands down. Everyone posting here would be wise to embrace his teaching.
Lol.
I think Genesis 2:4 makes it very clear that the "Days" of creation are supposed to be read as " GENERATIONS " eras , long period of time ! PERIOD !!!! And to boot the physical evidence is there!
Ever since I learned about the big bang, I had fun with the idea that what happened in the moment just before the big bang was the big collapse of the previous universal existence, which is what will also happen at the end of our present universal existence. Just a cyclical series of big bangs, existences, and big collapses, and so on. Not trying to debate, it's just fun to think about.
Sure is. There is no end to man's somewhat warpted imignation.
The usable energy of the universe is in continual decline, the universe doesn't collapse in on itself and then rebound back out into another fresh big bang, there's way too little usable energy left for that to happen.
I would love to speak to u Mr. Hovínd. Rev. Samuel A Wilson Sr.
And the rest of the debate?
It’s on our channel :)
The cults like Mormons, JWs, and Muslims claim that they are the only ones with the truth. Eric seems to have the same attitude. I just wonder if this attitude is not of God. If a person is loving, kind and thinks no evil is a good pointer to someone having the truth, or at least worth listening to.
My opinion, Eric believes his interpretation of genesis is infallible.
Only one creation story can be true
@@cryptochris9001 That is true, and the person who has the biggest brain, older, combined with humility, is more likely to see where a younger proud person is going wrong. And a young person is more likely to be judgemental.
Context yes!!!. So put all of genesis in the context that all the sciences real about the age of the universe.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
God created (formed from nothing) in the beginning (an undisclosed time before the first day). But made (transformed for service) the planets in six days. The first day is when the world wide ocean which darkened the sea floor (the face of the deep) became shallow enough over the continents as the ocean basins opened. Since the first day we had a pre existing earth and universe so we had old materials without days being of a long context.
The processes that transformed the earth from a smooth earth covered with water created a surface with basins and continents in 3 days. This generated what the naturalist attibutes to plate tectonics. So we have 3 days not hundreds of millions if years. No new interpretations of scriptures are needed to accomodate deep time.
The Bible states that nothing should be added to or subtracted from the Word of God. God called light day and darkness night, nothing to do with time! Let's leave it at that. The Bible also makes it crystal clear that time is relative! A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Einstein proved that time is relative! So please stop arguing about something we know nothing about. The Bible tells us the laws of physics are fixed and we are instructed to put everything to the test and hold fast to that which is good. That's the scientific method. So God created the scientific method. That means following where the evidence leads. The book of Nature should confirm the book of Scripture and it does using the scientific method. Scientific and archaeological discoveries are proving the accuracy of the Bible on a monthly basis in our lifetime! Only God knows the end from the beginning. We are just discovering what the Bible already knew. Maranatha
So would you say there is no evidence between night and day. Do you have clocks in your house? How about electric lights? Why?? Do you have a calander. Why?? If your best friend , mother or someone tells you they are going to be out of town for two weeks, would you be able to figure out when they would be back?? "To the LORD a thousand years is as a day and a day as a thousand years" but NOT to us mortals. I agree that Nature confirms the Bible. God's word is truth.
Great job Eric. Scripture is clear.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
If we didn't know how long a day was then how could scriptures tell us that Adams lived 930 yrs and how many days did rain upon the whole earth. How old was Noah when he died. How could there be any genelogies. If one didn't know how many hours make up a day how could the age of anything be determined?? How do we know that it rained for 40 days and nights etc, doesn't that present a problem? The creation narrative tells us that God pla ced the sun and moon in the heavens for US to determine the days, weeks and seasons. The moon the months. God did this for us, but man in his high brow attitude and pride want to tell God - we know better than you!
I was hoping to hear a logical debate but instead all I heard was Hugh Ross explain his view and Eric Hovind just talk negatively about Ross, his faith and how he came to faith. Not cool Hovind! 😑
⁰ God called the light day God did not call the darkness the day/
6 segments of light /ⁿ⁹
God called the light day
Ken Ham and Kevin Bacon make a great side (side of Ham and Bacon)
This is surreal watching grown men arguing over something a child would dismiss. Genesis is a poem. You don't take poems literally.
So ahmmnn you happened to be the one that is qualified judge that the bible shouldn't be taken literally? you know you guys really cherry pick everything.. u pick one bible verse to support your argument the literal way and then those than can easily repute by non-believers will now be explained as metaphorical way. the fact that christianity is very much divided is also something to look into..
You are just a salty evolutionists
Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.
There is one book, the Bible. There is no inerrant book of nature.
Yeah that set red flags off right there.
Psalm 19 . Roman’s chapter 1. God speaks to us through his creation . Paul condemned the gentiles even before they heard the gospel, because they knew God but exchanged the truth for a lie.
You do not read your Bible.
Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Job 12:7-10 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you.
@@djsarg7451 Yes I do and I understand it. Those verses do not mean there is a second book of nature. They point to God as the creator.
@@djsarg7451 Yes!
Genesis 1 is Lucifer and the fallen angels. They made man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap for angels.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Ross should be in jail right now
When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand.
Matthew 6:14-15 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
I “Like” Dr. Ross. He is very kind and gracious & I am sure he is very genuine as well. He has an uncommon ability to discuss & debate in a way that is also kind, generous, patient and humble. That is hard to do when in a debate or discussion such as this. So, good for him with all that - but I still he is wrong.
The way I see this issue ….
1. There is plenty of scientific evidence that appears to support old earth creation.
2. There is also plenty of scientific evidence that supports young earth creation.
3. There are credible & accredited PHD’s on both sides.
So that leaves me with just two points to consider ….
4. What does my own mind and my own experiences tell me.
5. And finally & most Importantly…. What does the Bible say about this.
After considering all of that, it would seem to me that the young earth view is the correct view.
Just a comment to try to keep you from settling with this framework. Points 1. & 2. What examples do you have of each? and how have you reconciled seemingly contradictory scientific evidence? And which one handles the others evidence better? A YT comment probably doesn't have enough space to really answer it, but just curious.
@@Logosguy-fv1bj I don’t want to get into a long debate on YT comments. Regarding examples of points # 1 & 2. They are out there. I know each side can generally offer ways to deal with them to try to answer each sides evidences. Sometimes I can’t reconcile the OE view in a particular point. As an example, the issue of naming the animals & Eve as a help mate… I must admit I find that particular point very hard to deal with as a young earther.
@@redeemedadventures fair! Lord bless!
Romans says all men are without excuse even if they dont have a Bible because they have nature
That is not the point of what Romans is even talking about. Romans 1 and 2 are discussing the reality of the conscience. You need to go back and read it again, in its full context.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
void RES+
God's day is 1000 of our years. Our day is 24 hours.
It’s not until day 4 the the sun moon stars are now designated to serve as markers for days seasons years.
Book of nature, doesn't say anything. 🤦🏻♂️
Neither does the Bible , you have to read and study the Bible , and observe and study nature. Read Psalm 19. And Romans chapter 1.
@@Terrylb285 you don't have Nature without God.
@@Terrylb285 why are you using the Bible if it doesn't say anything, whackadoodle
That is not in the Bible:
Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Psalm 19 1-4: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Job 12:7-10 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you.
Ross should be accountable for all the lies
What lies are you referring to and how do you want him held accountable?
Oh God no - not another Hovind…
Eric Hovind is correct
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
I agree.
The tribulation is 7 days
Ross is a heretic
Give me a break
When someone replies with name-calling or insults,
I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens”
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
The Bible is only a snapshot of what God did. You cannot find whole truth about how much time elapsed during God's creation by those few words. Moses was trying to describe the vision God gave him about creation. Moses did not have knowledge of the universe, he did know little about the sun or the orbiting earth.
Moses did his best to describe what he saw just like others in the Bible who tried to describe what they saw when God showed them visions.
Obeying and worshipping God is the main point of the Bible. We do that by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins and loving Jesus enough to do everything He taught us.
We may know someday all about creation but we may not know because it is not important to our salvation. Jesus is important to our salvation. God's ways are so far above our ways, our thinking, and our knowledge, that we must not even try to know what God knows.