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I have been playing for 30+ years and have tried many mouthpieces along the way. Last year I found my favorite mouthpiece. It is an old 1930's era Vega #2 made by Vega Trumpets of Boston. It is the best that I have ever used! I only wished I had found it years ago but I was a Conn and Bach snob and didn't know any better! Live and learn!
Like with the previous 14A4a, the original early 1970's runs of the 13A4a are vastly supieror to what is now made. Originally, the 13A4a had a well pronounced drop off on it with a combination of a shallow and semi-shallow V cup. When it was introduced in 1971, it hit the market like wildfire as it was, in a sense, the first well made and mass produced "lead piece" that wasn't either too small or too big. It was made in 1970 for Mike Vax when he was playing lead on Kenton's band.
I played on a Bach 1 1/4C drilled out to an #18 throat for many years until I switched to Giardinellis and Schilke’s, which I would have drilled to a more realistic #22 throat. I played on a Schilke 15A4 for awhile, but only because I have never found a straight 15A. I made do, but I’ve never liked the Schilke 4 rim as much as the rim on my Giardinelli 3M or 3S. Then, when I lost my Giardinelli 3S and discovered I couldn’t replace it because Giardinelli had gone out of business, I had to find a replacement that was as close to it as possible. Using the Kanstul Mouthpiece Comparator, it showed me that a Bach 1D was a very close match, so I purchased one. It was OK, but not great, and not quite the right balance between openness and resistance that I was looking for. Up to this point, as I said, I had always had my mouthpiece throats drilled out to a #22 because smaller throats felt “stuffy” to me, and I also did this with the Bach 1D. However, because the Bach 1D still wasn’t the solution I was looking for, on a whim I purchased a Bach 1F. I was amazed. It played so nice for me I decided to NOT have it drilled out until I played on it for awhile to give it a chance. I couldn’t believe the blow was so free on a stock throat, and I have since kept it stock. I’m tempted to purchase one and have it drilled out to a #22 throat to see if I liked it better or worse, but I haven’t wanted to chance “ruining” a mouthpiece that works so well for me. In order to never again run into the problem I did when I could no longer obtain a Giardinelli mouthpiece, with my new Bach 1E mouthpieces, I bought four of them. One I carry at all times. One sits on the table next to my practice chair, and I have two spares in reserve. If one gets damaged or I lose one (it happened once a couple of years ago) I immediately replace it. This way, should Bach ever change their catalog, I feel I’m secure in my mouthpiece supply for life. So, in fifty years I’ve come full circle, from Bach and back to Bach. I could have saved a lot of mouthpiece trial and error by going from the 1 1/4C straight to the stock 1E. 🤣
I thought it was in the vicinity of Bach 5 or 7 - subjective, but that was my starting point. I decided to compare the Kanstul outlines (not perfect but still a reference frame), and the 13A4 cup and rim bite trace the Bach 10-3/4EW almost exactly, but the rim and throat are different. Just my observation
So it seems to have a low alpha angle, the high point of the rim is very close to the cup?? The entrance to the throat is not flattened and so I guess the air can go very fast into the instrument? I would love to try it since I am not dreaming of lead playing but about something that fits with my now for me unplayable Selmer piccolo.
@@gregorysloat4258 I found meanwhile that the very shallow Schilke 15A4a has that flat rim and low alpha angle on which I don't bottom out. It's big enough to give plenty of room for flexibility. It's a miracle because thanks to this mouthpiece I know now that the problem is me, not the mouthpiece ;-)
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I have been playing for 30+ years and have tried many mouthpieces along the way. Last year I found my favorite mouthpiece. It is an old 1930's era Vega #2 made by Vega Trumpets of Boston. It is the best that I have ever used! I only wished I had found it years ago but I was a Conn and Bach snob and didn't know any better! Live and learn!
It happens!
Like with the previous 14A4a, the original early 1970's runs of the 13A4a are vastly supieror to what is now made. Originally, the 13A4a had a well pronounced drop off on it with a combination of a shallow and semi-shallow V cup. When it was introduced in 1971, it hit the market like wildfire as it was, in a sense, the first well made and mass produced "lead piece" that wasn't either too small or too big. It was made in 1970 for Mike Vax when he was playing lead on Kenton's band.
There were no mouthpieces ever made before the 5MM with an undercut as far as I know. Can you send me a photo?
So because Schilke mouthpieces are longer they won't fit in my bach trumpet and I would be wasting my money if I bought it?
Ql a numeracao. Que é maior que o 5C da bach e menor que o 3C da bach?
I played on a Bach 1 1/4C drilled out to an #18 throat for many years until I switched to Giardinellis and Schilke’s, which I would have drilled to a more realistic #22 throat.
I played on a Schilke 15A4 for awhile, but only because I have never found a straight 15A. I made do, but I’ve never liked the Schilke 4 rim as much as the rim on my Giardinelli 3M or 3S.
Then, when I lost my Giardinelli 3S and discovered I couldn’t replace it because Giardinelli had gone out of business, I had to find a replacement that was as close to it as possible.
Using the Kanstul Mouthpiece Comparator, it showed me that a Bach 1D was a very close match, so I purchased one. It was OK, but not great, and not quite the right balance between openness and resistance that I was looking for. Up to this point, as I said, I had always had my mouthpiece throats drilled out to a #22 because smaller throats felt “stuffy” to me, and I also did this with the Bach 1D.
However, because the Bach 1D still wasn’t the solution I was looking for, on a whim I purchased a Bach 1F. I was amazed. It played so nice for me I decided to NOT have it drilled out until I played on it for awhile to give it a chance. I couldn’t believe the blow was so free on a stock throat, and I have since kept it stock. I’m tempted to purchase one and have it drilled out to a #22 throat to see if I liked it better or worse, but I haven’t wanted to chance “ruining” a mouthpiece that works so well for me.
In order to never again run into the problem I did when I could no longer obtain a Giardinelli mouthpiece, with my new Bach 1E mouthpieces, I bought four of them. One I carry at all times. One sits on the table next to my practice chair, and I have two spares in reserve. If one gets damaged or I lose one (it happened once a couple of years ago) I immediately replace it. This way, should Bach ever change their catalog, I feel I’m secure in my mouthpiece supply for life.
So, in fifty years I’ve come full circle, from Bach and back to Bach. I could have saved a lot of mouthpiece trial and error by going from the 1 1/4C straight to the stock 1E. 🤣
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what would the size of the rim in bach be equivalent?
There is no Bach equivalent due to the shape of Bach Rims.
@@harrelsontrumpets I think he meant rim diameter
I thought it was in the vicinity of Bach 5 or 7 - subjective, but that was my starting point. I decided to compare the Kanstul outlines (not perfect but still a reference frame), and the 13A4 cup and rim bite trace the Bach 10-3/4EW almost exactly, but the rim and throat are different. Just my observation
I think Bach 3
So it seems to have a low alpha angle, the high point of the rim is very close to the cup?? The entrance to the throat is not flattened and so I guess the air can go very fast into the instrument? I would love to try it since I am not dreaming of lead playing but about something that fits with my now for me unplayable Selmer piccolo.
You might want to try a Bach 1F. It uses the backbore they use on their piccolo trumpet mouthpieces.
@@gregorysloat4258 I found meanwhile that the very shallow Schilke 15A4a has that flat rim and low alpha angle on which I don't bottom out. It's big enough to give plenty of room for flexibility. It's a miracle because thanks to this mouthpiece I know now that the problem is me, not the mouthpiece ;-)
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Hey sir I got the Vincent bach 1 1/4 but I'm looking something wider than that size do recommend any one ?
Wider in the same rim shape? Email me at harrelsontrumpets@gmail.com
Ok thank you
I've never been a fan of shallow cup. I have played a 20D2d for decades, in my old age I have switched to a 17D4d, big warm sound.
so then what trumpet mouthpiece is best, schilke 13 a 4 a or yamaha 6a 4 a
For whom? 🙄
Please tell me price in India
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Review system blue mouthpiece any one just review one
I have one. It's awesome!
The measurements don’t mean anything without comparisons. ie vs a 17 or Bach 7c or anything. Thanks for trying!