I know what Wes was saying but taking a bus to work using a modern highway at the crack of dawn while listening to these types of lectures can be pretty damn sublime
I find all of Wes Cecil's lectures informative and inspirational, especially this one on the philosophies of wisdom and beauty, amazingly important. Creativity,beauty and wisdom are the very essences of life, combining these human traits with compassion, forgiveness, charity, kindness and the like, are 'to live'!
This lecture resonates with me. I learned the lesson of beauty 2 years ago. I moved to Milwaukee with meager funds and ended up homeless for the first time in my life. I knew nobody. Ended up in the homeless shelter. Ended up staying there for 3 months while I got on my feet financially. However, the daily experience of living there and coming to know the staff and the men living there was quite enjoyable. They were genuine, caring people without an ounce of pretense or deceit. Mental illness afflicted some and very unusual behavior but, it wasn't false. I learned to see the beauty in their authenticity.
Heidegger says something along the lines that metaphysics isn’t important for what the philosopher can DO with it but because of what metaphysics does to the philosopher himself
In case you're interested, the Persian word for wisdom is Farzanegi which has its roots in the Pahlavi word Farzanak. Farzanak (also Chista) was the ancient goddess of ways and the one who would help you out of dark roads and dense forests.
Imagine if we apply this concept to everything in this world? In politics, in religions, at work, at home, everywhere ..... What a beautiful and peaceful world it would be for humanity and all which lives.
Thank you for this video. I listened to 3 years ago and it sparked off something within. I keep coming back to listen to it and will continue to do so. At some point I plan to get the 'The way of the ox is not the way' tees.
Interesting talk! The way you present ideas is so effective. In Arthur Shopenhauer's chapter on Rhetoric in his second volume of "The World as Will..." there are some spot on things he says that outline your method as you do your lectures. I finished that chapter happily, understanding a bit more on how you come across so convincing and attractive in your lectures!
I find wisdom and beauty in the image of my Amor Fati t-shirt being tilted and a bit off-center. (or perhaps the image is right and the garment is skewed.)
Ya know even just the transcripts of a selected subset of your lectures would be pretty close to a book. Polish and expand them and you could easily write the next Story of Philosophy. Our society sure could use it.
And clearly the book would be superior to the lectures because a book can be sold and can, potentially, make a lot of money which, let's not forget, is what really matters.
44:16 "Cider. Apple cider. Gotta pasteurize that. 'Cuz that'll kill you. I think there was one death in the last, what, millennium from unpasteurized...And so we have to play up the threat, the scare, the boo because the wisdom escapes us." (The audience responding with laughter from your comment is appalling!) You are correct in that there has been one death. 16 month old Anna Gimmestad, daughter of Chad and Christy Gimmestad, of Greely, Colorado, died on November 8, 1996, after drinking unpasteurized Odwalla apple juice that was tainted with E. coli O157:H7. 66 others were sickened in three states and British Columbia in Canada, including 14 children hospitalized with HUS (hemolytic uremic syndrome). Four months prior to the outbreak, the US military rejected a proposal by Odwalla to offer its products because testing revealed high levels of bacteria and an Army inspector who toured a manufacturing facility deemed a very high risk of "deterioration or adulteration" of products due to the process that was unpasteurized and did not contain preservatives. In 1998, Odwalla pleaded guilty to criminal charges levied by the FDA and agreed to pay 1.5 million dollars in fines and settled multiple civil suits filed by victims' families (which the parents of the little girl who died opted NOT to sue). Regarding undercooked food in restaurants, research the Jack in the Box E. coli O157:H7 outbreak in 1993 that sickened over 700 (most from your home state of Washington, Dr. Cecil) in four states and resulted in four deaths: 17 month old Riley Detwiler, 2 year old Celina Shribbs, 2 year old Michael Nole (all of Washington state) and 6 year old Lauren Rudolph of California. I sincerely doubt that any of the family members and friends of these innocent victims who died from unpasteurized juice and undercooked meat would agree that the government had to "play up the threat, the scare, the boo because wisdom escaped" them. On the contrary, wisdom led to better regulations in the food industry to prevent others from becoming ill or dying unnecessarily. You maintain at the end of the lecture that "And so, when we think about beauty and wisdom, this is what I what I'd like you to think about...think about this overlap where the capacity to discern and think about carefully our experiences: what we, again, what we hear, what we taste, what we see, and then how do we convert that into beauty? ...And you die really high rates from a lack of beauty and wisdom...It is the core because it is precisely the lack of beauty and wisdom that kills us." You represent yourself poorly in making a mockery of these innocent victims. It is you who lacks beauty and wisdom.
33:46 Beauty and wisdom (and more important real education and real knowledge!) are forbidden under Ferengi Rule; what else did you expect? It's only natural then that someone uneducated, thrown in an unfair, rigged (through unfair laws, unfair customs - like material inheritance) Race for Life (merely a Race for Survival) to loose. You can not wish what you don't know, you can not have what you don't understand. "Express yourself" has no value if you don't have any real Merit. Most Americans simply are not aware that human rights has to include economic and social rights. It's true that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder (and wisdom in the mind of the thinker); for some, Ferengi Rule is beautiful and the most realistic form of fair government. For some, Rule by Hereditary Wealth means Democracy, for some others, Hereditary Monarchy means Democracy. For some, truth can be established through "vote" so for them Democracy is beautiful. Some believes that any opinion has value, including those of uninformed and uneducated individuals. Some believes that commercial value (price) is really a value. Some believe that humans are "born" while other believes that only few humans eventually "becomes", through education. In the end, many feel that their lives lack a goal, a meaning, a cause; that they live zoological lives (ζωή), in contrast to those that fulfill their potential, that live purposeful lives (βίος). All these things are normal consequences of the Ferengi Rule.
Really strange talk, you make the point for beauty and wisdom and then you switch to hopelessness due to careers and lack of purpose and go right back to beauty and wisdom. Oh and you're right, I'll drink bleach before I work at wal mart and I'll go homeless before I go on welfare and this is the future of the middle class american. Jobs you need zero education for and public assistance. Art is not going to make a 40 year old man not kill himself over his family losing respect for him, losing his career, there are no jobs but immigration is at a record level, being told about his privilege and being labeled a racist, homophobic, misogynist anytime he speaks up in his own defense. No one is offering these people a path and instead are ridiculing or dismissing them... just wait till automated cars put 10 million truck drivers out of work and then you'll see suicide rates or revolution. Art is frosting on the cake of culture but it is not the bones of a culture and anymore it seems the very culture itself is under attack. Value the culture of the other but not your own... We live in a very fucked up time.
I think he is suggesting the hopelessness in our culture comes from wrong perceptions and priorities. And I agree...however I kept waiting for him to bring up the one barrier for the undereducated that interferes with our ability to prioritize beauty and wisdom...a lack of autonomy.
I know what Wes was saying but taking a bus to work using a modern highway at the crack of dawn while listening to these types of lectures can be pretty damn sublime
true. It's very nice
Sublime
I find all of Wes Cecil's lectures informative and inspirational, especially this one on the philosophies of wisdom and beauty, amazingly important. Creativity,beauty and wisdom are the very essences of life, combining these human traits with compassion, forgiveness, charity, kindness and the like, are 'to live'!
This lecture resonates with me. I learned the lesson of beauty 2 years ago. I moved to Milwaukee with meager funds and ended up homeless for the first time in my life. I knew nobody. Ended up in the homeless shelter.
Ended up staying there for 3 months while I got on my feet financially. However, the daily experience of living there and coming to know the staff and the men living there was quite enjoyable. They were genuine, caring people without an ounce of pretense or deceit. Mental illness afflicted some and very unusual behavior but, it wasn't false. I learned to see the beauty in their authenticity.
Heidegger says something along the lines that metaphysics isn’t important for what the philosopher can DO with it but because of what metaphysics does to the philosopher himself
I‘m a huge fan of all Prof. Cecil‘s lectures, but this was one of his absolute best. Endless food for thought here. Thanks so much for posting it!!
In case you're interested, the Persian word for wisdom is Farzanegi which has its roots in the Pahlavi word Farzanak. Farzanak (also Chista) was the ancient goddess of ways and the one who would help you out of dark roads and dense forests.
Imagine if we apply this concept to everything in this world? In politics, in religions, at work, at home, everywhere ..... What a beautiful and peaceful world it would be for humanity and all which lives.
Thank you for this video. I listened to 3 years ago and it sparked off something within. I keep coming back to listen to it and will continue to do so. At some point I plan to get the 'The way of the ox is not the way' tees.
I completely agree with the lecture. So insightful about our values.
Thank you for posting this lecture! I love your videos!
Very inspirational - I always find wisdom and solace in your lectures.
The audio is so much better in this video, thank you Cecil!
this was incredibly well done. it was just what I needed.
Not surprised by the mortality rates of artists, but It's hard to comprehend how lack of beauty affects one that can create it from scratch.
Wow! Thank you very much for sharing such a rich lecture sir.
Thank you very much, Wes!
Interesting talk! The way you present ideas is so effective. In Arthur Shopenhauer's chapter on Rhetoric in his second volume of "The World as Will..." there are some spot on things he says that outline your method as you do your lectures. I finished that chapter happily, understanding a bit more on how you come across so convincing and attractive in your lectures!
What chapter?
I only enjoyed algebra, ten years after the class , I was free to enjoy and see the beauty
Came for the philosophy, stayed for the comedy.
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Beautiful lecture.
I find wisdom and beauty in the image of my Amor Fati t-shirt being tilted and a bit off-center. (or perhaps the image is right and the garment is skewed.)
thank you
Ya know even just the transcripts of a selected subset of your lectures would be pretty close to a book. Polish and expand them and you could easily write the next Story of Philosophy. Our society sure could use it.
And clearly the book would be superior to the lectures because a book can be sold and can, potentially, make a lot of money which, let's not forget, is what really matters.
please do Life and Philosophy of Albert Camus
Sartre Camus and Seneca
do
Do my boy derrida
c'mon you guys, I asked first okayyy 😏
he allready did
Very good.
"Philosophy is like sleeping in a bed with a blanket that is to small..always something left uncovered..".
King Solomon, Talmud bavli
44:16 "Cider. Apple cider. Gotta pasteurize that. 'Cuz that'll kill you. I think there was one death in the last, what, millennium from unpasteurized...And so we have to play up the threat, the scare, the boo because the wisdom escapes us." (The audience responding with laughter from your comment is appalling!) You are correct in that there has been one death. 16 month old Anna Gimmestad, daughter of Chad and Christy Gimmestad, of Greely, Colorado, died on November 8, 1996, after drinking unpasteurized Odwalla apple juice that was tainted with E. coli O157:H7. 66 others were sickened in three states and British Columbia in Canada, including 14 children hospitalized with HUS (hemolytic uremic syndrome). Four months prior to the outbreak, the US military rejected a proposal by Odwalla to offer its products because testing revealed high levels of bacteria and an Army inspector who toured a manufacturing facility deemed a very high risk of "deterioration or adulteration" of products due to the process that was unpasteurized and did not contain preservatives. In 1998, Odwalla pleaded guilty to criminal charges levied by the FDA and agreed to pay 1.5 million dollars in fines and settled multiple civil suits filed by victims' families (which the parents of the little girl who died opted NOT to sue). Regarding undercooked food in restaurants, research the Jack in the Box E. coli O157:H7 outbreak in 1993 that sickened over 700 (most from your home state of Washington, Dr. Cecil) in four states and resulted in four deaths: 17 month old Riley Detwiler, 2 year old Celina Shribbs, 2 year old Michael Nole (all of Washington state) and 6 year old Lauren Rudolph of California. I sincerely doubt that any of the family members and friends of these innocent victims who died from unpasteurized juice and undercooked meat would agree that the government had to "play up the threat, the scare, the boo because wisdom escaped" them. On the contrary, wisdom led to better regulations in the food industry to prevent others from becoming ill or dying unnecessarily. You maintain at the end of the lecture that "And so, when we think about beauty and wisdom, this is what I what I'd like you to think about...think about this overlap where the capacity to discern and think about carefully our experiences: what we, again, what we hear, what we taste, what we see, and then how do we convert that into beauty? ...And you die really high rates from a lack of beauty and wisdom...It is the core because it is precisely the lack of beauty and wisdom that kills us." You represent yourself poorly in making a mockery of these innocent victims. It is you who lacks beauty and wisdom.
Building codes are the death of creativity.
Codes are killing architecture.
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Wisdom and Beauty? Hummmmm, yeah.
Beauty, Purely subjective. Abrams the discovery series will add to the experience. Van Gogh The Passionate Eye, and Gauguin The Painter of Paradise
Steve Jobs, and the oligarchical capitalism that supports people like him, are what is TRULY demeaning. Not welfare.
33:46 Beauty and wisdom (and more important real education and real knowledge!) are forbidden under Ferengi Rule; what else did you expect? It's only natural then that someone uneducated, thrown in an unfair, rigged (through unfair laws, unfair customs - like material inheritance) Race for Life (merely a Race for Survival) to loose. You can not wish what you don't know, you can not have what you don't understand. "Express yourself" has no value if you don't have any real Merit. Most Americans simply are not aware that human rights has to include economic and social rights. It's true that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder (and wisdom in the mind of the thinker); for some, Ferengi Rule is beautiful and the most realistic form of fair government. For some, Rule by Hereditary Wealth means Democracy, for some others, Hereditary Monarchy means Democracy. For some, truth can be established through "vote" so for them Democracy is beautiful. Some believes that any opinion has value, including those of uninformed and uneducated individuals. Some believes that commercial value (price) is really a value. Some believe that humans are "born" while other believes that only few humans eventually "becomes", through education. In the end, many feel that their lives lack a goal, a meaning, a cause; that they live zoological lives (ζωή), in contrast to those that fulfill their potential, that live purposeful lives (βίος). All these things are normal consequences of the Ferengi Rule.
Andrei Andrei thanks for making me google Ferengi Rule. I found a TH-cam video that was very entertaining! :D
Terrible waste of time
Really strange talk, you make the point for beauty and wisdom and then you switch to hopelessness due to careers and lack of purpose and go right back to beauty and wisdom. Oh and you're right, I'll drink bleach before I work at wal mart and I'll go homeless before I go on welfare and this is the future of the middle class american. Jobs you need zero education for and public assistance. Art is not going to make a 40 year old man not kill himself over his family losing respect for him, losing his career, there are no jobs but immigration is at a record level, being told about his privilege and being labeled a racist, homophobic, misogynist anytime he speaks up in his own defense. No one is offering these people a path and instead are ridiculing or dismissing them... just wait till automated cars put 10 million truck drivers out of work and then you'll see suicide rates or revolution.
Art is frosting on the cake of culture but it is not the bones of a culture and anymore it seems the very culture itself is under attack. Value the culture of the other but not your own... We live in a very fucked up time.
Why are telling people to drink bleach? Is it meant to be funny? And I mean to either of them.
I think he is suggesting the hopelessness in our culture comes from wrong perceptions and priorities. And I agree...however I kept waiting for him to bring up the one barrier for the undereducated that interferes with our ability to prioritize beauty and wisdom...a lack of autonomy.