"Okay guys hear me out, we want to arrest this serial murderer, right? Right, so I'm thinking we trap him in a stadium with thousands of hostages and innocent bystanders." "... okay, but won't he just take hostages or otherwise endanger all those innocent people?" "No way, I mean, you'd have to be pretty messed up to take an innocent person hostage... right?"
I think they were okay with potential casualties. That is why SWAT was called. Their main purpose is to neutralize the target by any means necessary. What I am more baffled by is why the wife was not arrested alongside her husband for being aiding and abetting a known fugitive.
@soulweaponx6644 I thought the wife was the one who found him out and tipped off the police. Not sure why she didn't just direct the police to their home where innocent people wouldn't have been endangered, but I digress.
@@힐만94a father can't support their children? You're weird bro... Just letting you know... There's zero favoritism or "nepotism" involved... Just a father who decided to make a feature length film based around his daughter's music... Loser
A real cool twist would have been getting all the way to the end and his daughter turning out to be the actual serial killer and him just being an enabler willing to do horrible things to cover for his murderous daughter's crimes.
That's what I thought would happen. Would've been much better than knowing the wife could've just sent the police to his house and not had the cops do such a dangerous, expensive, and foolish sting like this.
How weird is it that his daughter, Saleka, a recording artist is ALSO the singer Lady Raven, played by his daughter Saleka, a recording artist. You know, his daughter, Saleka, a recording artist, is a recording artist, named Saleka.
lol like Leslie Headland putting her wife into The Acolyte or Rob Zombie putting his wife into literally everything even though they can’t act to save their lives.
My first thought when I read the plot synopsis was why in the heck would thousands of innocent men at the concert agree to be interrogated by authorities ?? Wouldn’t at least 90% of them demand to see a lawyer ??
Lol yes they would. No one wants to be falsely accused because they randomly did or said something close to what the killer did. All this would be highly illegal. From fire codes to right of free travel violations. Oh yeah, and wreckless endangerment of innocent bystanders.
I'm sure there'd be some, but nowhere near 90%. You'd be surprised how many people either don't know their rights or don't invoke them, especially when they're innocent. People often think there's no need for a lawyer if they have nothing to hide or that demanding a lawyer makes them seem guilty. There's also the aspects of being manipulated into talking (the "just chatting" approach by interrogators), genuinely wanting to be helpful & going with the crowd/not wanting to be "difficult"
@@ChaosRaychNot anymore, sov-cit culture is alive and well and this isn’t a misdemeanor we’re talking about being accused of multiple homicides. Ain’t no way even half of them would cooperate with a warrantless search and interrogation.
Random minor thing I'll argue, you mention Harnet's character is incredibly lucky. That was most serial killers though, the majority of them were always touted as being these amazing masterminds, only to all this time later find out cops were just lazy and the killers were just lucky.
Jeffery’s victim literally escaping running into the cops and incoherently seeking help and jerffery literally smooth talking them into giving back the escaped victim
yeah if you watch true crime stuff about serial killers, you think to yourself that the police is just really bad overall, but the cases where the police immediately got the right clue/person whatever, probably didnt escalate to serial killings. (technical advancements aside)
@@deusex9731That's the thing, the cops are people like any other and likely aren't wanting to just assume someone is a serial killer in a sus situation over just being a bit off. If they do go that route, well...you can very easily hurt or kill an innocent man (or at least someone that didn't do enough to be killed)
He wasn't very clear but he has a daughter named Saleka? Cause he didn't say that he has a daughter named Saleka enough times, I'm sure his daughter's name is Saleka
M Night movies truly piss me off…because they come SO CLOSE to being good. The last 45 minutes of this movie were absolutely abysmal. Lazy writing and loopholes galore. (Spoiler alert) Let’s forget the odds of them even getting CLOSE to escaping BACKSTAGE with the singer. There’s a scene where the SWAT team shoot who they think is the butcher in the limo SURROUNDED by people. It ends up being a dummy. How did he get out??? How did he escape? Then later at the very end the SWAT team take him down with TASERS as he lunges towards them?? Tasers? Really? And then they let him stop to adjust a bicycle? The same criminal they set up this gigantic trap for? Josh Hartnett was honestly a cool casting choice for this, but the last part of this movie was abysmal.
guy has a encrypted phone with a 12 digit password for his victim camera and the singer just grabs his phone opens up the app immediately and he spend 10 minutes banging on the bathroom door it would take 2 seconds to kick in the door and the family were just robots
"I've never seen my house in that lense before" proceeds to have a fucking UNDERGROUND HOLE LEADING TO THE NEIGHBOURS GARDEN And then SOMEHOW GETS FULL FUCKING SWAT KIT before the limo driver then just WILLINGLY SWAPS WITH THIS STRANGER
Hartnett has always been a truly charismatic actor, I love him in 30 Days of Night. It’s no surprise he was the best thing of the movie, it’s only a shame this movie couldn’t be a better stage for him to show everything he could do.
Wife: Hello, FBI? I suspect my husband is the serial butcher guy... FBI: Cool, let's have him take your daughter to a concert, where he will be surrounded by innocent people. Also, We think we'll tell random employees of our trap, don't even give us a picture, at no point will we make that information public, that way he can constantly hide without anyone recognizing him. Also, we think we'll let a popstar and all her followers do our job of tracking him down... In fact, we'll just be completely incompetent. Thanks for the tip.
To be fair, this is not how things happen in the film- it is explained in what I'd call a human and believable way. Lots of other ridiculousness though.
Don’t listen to that idiot who replied to you… this is EXACTLY how it happens in the film, and what Shayamalan expect the audience to swallow. Loved how well you pointed out how god-awful this flimsy excuse for a movie was, with its lunatic-level degrees of disbelief it both presents and inspires. Just wretched. Makes “Old” look like “Citizen Kane.” 🤦♀️
IF the wife had ACTUALLY TOLD the FBI she suspected her husband was the killer (like any sane person would), then there'd be no need for this nonsensical plan to try and catch him... OH, and that Ending.... UGH!!! 🤦
@@cyberpunkcentral8500 the wife didn't talk to the FBI? She left a clue. She feared learning for definite herself. Don't get me wrong, the film is ludicrous and while I enjoyed it I had to swallow many problems with it and just accept them. I thought this explanation for how the whole thing was set up was actually pretty good as these things usually go
HE's a firefighter, and probably local, with that many cops he probably knew a couple of them and could have talked his way out of getting checked. That's something that happens in real life.
That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. If the FBI don't have a picture of him or any other identifying information, how is this a trap? Sir, are you the killer? Totally not! Sorry, we had to ask. Next!
@@ellicel theres a part where they say he has a tattoo of a rabbit which he covers with a lady raven wrist band,but yeah i honestly thought he had a better chance at just playing along at the end instead of snitching himself to lady raven
It probably would've been more compelling if it was like 1-3 detectives versus a serial killer. The fact there's 9000 police officers and the FBI and whoever just makes it too absurd and completely unbelievable.
If he wanted to throw in a twist that would have been a surprise due to his family acting weird too. They're a family of serial killers and they are aware of the man in the basement and now they take Raven hostage.
I kept thinking that was the twist. That we weren't actually following around a serial killer, but rather we were following around the cleanup man who got caught trying to hide his daughter's crimes and he was now trying to find a path to help her escape without telling her the danger. And I want the movie I expected way more than the trash we got.
One of his daughters directed the horror movie The Watchers which got a 32% on rotten tomatoes. The plot for trap actually sounds super entertaining except for the gaping plot holes. It probably would have been better to have the concert on lockdown over a bomb threat or something and the protagonist just happens to get swept up in trying to get out because he's worried they'll discover he's a serial killer
Also make the police presence more subtle. A few extra police officers here and there, tell people it's just a safety precaution for the singer, have a few undercover agents lurking around. Have the killer piece together that they know he's here then have the agents figure out that he knows they know he's here. Much more cat and mouse. Then let the big twist be that his daughter is in on it but he's trying to let her have a normal concert for once that they just ruined. Make it a case of "If you just left me be none of this would have happened"
@@t1dotaku absolutely! Or if Shyamalan wanted to throw his signature big twist in make it so the serial killer spent the whole movie thinking he had to figure out some elaborate escape only to discover the cops had no idea he even existed and he panicked for nothing
I actually went to a girls’ school with Ishyana, the one who directed The Watchers. She was a couple years older than me, but we were in a club together that she led. She always struck me as really quite kind and intelligent, but to have taken on such an ambitious project so early into her filmmaking career did strike me as a questionable idea, simply due to her lack of experience, even with the help from her dad along the way. It seems he’s a little too willing to give his daughters legs up in the industry when they aren’t necessarily ready for such big platforms.
You're kinda missing the point of what the police were trying to do. They wanted to catch the killer by surprise, and so scaring him by having a lockdown would just mean he can take a hostage. The police wanted to take him before he could do anything. The swat guarding the entrance could've given it away but that can mostly be chalked up to just high security for a big event which is understandable.
Honestly, I thought the Shyamalanian twist would be that he would be some sort of Profiler who had gotten so deep into the though process of the Killer that he would slowly loose himself to that other persona, with the only saving grace in the end being his daughter. The actual plot feels even worse than that...
or something like the guy whos kidnapped is the butcher and he wanted to torture the butcher, but he had no solid evidence he is, so coming off clean wouldnt been an option and feared he will go to prison, and he was like some kind of dexter (the serial killer from the series)who only kills bad people, but midway i kinda felt there wasnt gonna be a twist, i was just curious how did they know about the tattoo, and the twist of the wife being the snitch was weak, honestly it was bad but at the same time i kinda enjoyed how bad it was, idk if id watch part 2 if it ever comes out, but definetly wont watch this one again, one and done
I’m so bummed that the “twist” didn’t turn out to be the fact that M. Night’s “daughter” was just M. Night in a wig this whole time. Talk about meta right?!? 🤣🤣🤣
I´m so happy to see Josh Hartnett back, but not in a M. Night Shyamalan Movie goddamit. He deserves a Tarantino style comeback like Travolta, David Carradine or Pam Grier...
I mean there was a solid 40 minutes in the middle that was really great and had me invested. Watching him try to find a way out was really tense but it kinda went downhill once they go backstage with the singer
It was a "meh" leaning on good for the first hour, then it became a contrived, predictive M. Night plot-twist film. My friends and I kept thinking Lady Raven looked related to M. Night but kept saying no, he's already in the movie, no way that's a fam cameo, and sure enough when the credits rolled, knowing that he basically built a film about his daughter's passion (and also double dip as an actor in the film), did leave a sour taste in the mouth after watching it NGL. Watch it expecting a 6-7 and be wowed by the 4-5 it is.
- Dad, can I have a minor role, singing in your next movie please? - Sure. let you have a bigger concert. - Is it a stadium? How about the story? - Never mind. We fill them both
When he picked up the bike near the end, me and my friend turned to each other at the same time and we thought he was about to get on the little kid's bike and pedal as fast as he could away from all the cops and they would be like 'Guess there's nothing we can do, he got away' and the movie ends
The fact that he was allowed such freedoms after all the horrific murders, pushing a swat officers eyeballs in, etc, was just so over the top I can't even.
There is a real incident that seems to have loosely inspired this- in the 80s a fake convention was run. Around 100 fugitives were offered tickets and prizes, and were caught.
Next you’re going to tell me Harry Potter isn’t really a wizard and Luke skywalker moving objects with his mind isn’t possible either. You mean to say movies contain improbable scenarios and an agreement with the audience to suspend disbelief?? I’m relatively new to movies and definitely appreciate the heads up
@@KyleSliger Looks like someone doesn't understand what suspension of disbelief means. Suspension of disbelief only works within the established framework of the story. If Harry Potter randomly gained the ability to fly or batman randomly became bulletproof, that wouldn't be suspension of disbelief, that would be bad writing. In this movie, the premise is that the story is set in regular America, which means the movie needs to follow the rules of regular America, which means police ops need to be at least plausible.
So true. We were hyped!! This looked like we were going back to the Signs and Sixth Sense days. Then we got this 💩 of a movie that completely fell apart once he started trying to escape.
If the Mother suspected him the whole time, and the whole reason the police were there was on his wife’s tip, why would they be questioning anyone other than the actual killer?
She didn't tell the cops who he was. She wanted to be wrong and only gave a small tip that the butcher might be there and wanted to see if it would prove his innocence
I thought the concept of the movie was interesting but I feel like the movie wasted to much times in some parts and that it had more runtime then it should have
I'll never watch anything Shyamalan does after how he ended GLASS. I loved Unbreakable and SPLIT - liked really loved them and had such high hopes for more movies in that storyline with David Dunn. It still makes me sick how he ended that. Never again, not even for Josh Hartnett. . .
All for some stupid plot twist about a secret society of people that obfuscate the existence of super heroes. I was looking forward to David and the Beast fighting on top of the tower, like how the movie kept hinting at. But they never even leave the hospital grounds. David drowns in a shallow puddle right outside of it. Why even pump up the audience for a fight if you’re just not going to deliver? David Dunn could have died for something instead of nothing. Awful movie.
"Both the protagonist AND antagonist" is the epitome of why Shamalamadingdong is unqualified as a writer. We all had theories for a twist. Mine was that the FBI profiler was his mother. Edit: Also, keeping captives wasn't even his M.O. He killed people and disassembled them.
When Cooper somehow went behind the counter at the Shake Shack, went up to the fryer that is right behind the counter in plain view of the customers and employees, grabbed two full bottles of oil that were also in plain view, put them into the fryer without the fryer overflowing somehow, turned the fryer up to max, and walked out without a single person seeing him, i was taken right out of the movie. He didnt wear a mask or any kind of disguise, and it was established that the entire stadium was covered in security cameras, so if the police or the shake shack manager decided to watch the security footage to see how two full bottles of oil ended up in the fryer, they wouldve blatently seen cooper do it. The lead FBI lady even mentioned how the butcher would use chaos as a distraction, but not a single officer decided to watch that footage to see who caused that particular chaotic distraction. If they had, they wouldve seen that cooper is the butcher well before cooper was able to leave the concert. Also, the moment towards the end when cooper is arrested and theyre bringing him out of his house, and he stops to go over to his daughters bike to stand it up made zero sense. No real life swat officer would ever in a million years let a dangerous person who is being arrested stop to touch anything. I also dont think they would have cuffed him with his hands in front of him. Theres just these little plot holes that exist because M night couldnt figure out how to have these things happened narratively while also being realistic, and theyre so distracting
Right, not to mention huge bottles of oil are usually PLASTIC. Even smaller ones usually are. Like come on. Cooper would have been shot the second the tazers weren't working and he took a step towards the one officer.
@@aaronbood1999 Wouldn't even call him a serial killer because the movie doesn't portray him as one we're told he's one and we see his phone but they display nothing in his demeanor or in his actions...He acts like a criminal trying to evade capture not a serial killer trying to avoid capture
@@aaronbood1999 Dexter not only acted like a serial killer a big conflict of the whole show was him fighting with his own urges and his own nature and not giving into the monster he thought he was...He didn't have to mask his life as a police officer it was his life he had friends, family etc and he enjoyed those things
From the first line in the trailer showing an employee spilling a major undercover operation to a random who could very well be the target made it a flop tbh. I can't suspend disbelief that much. They wouldn't have even told most employees.
I'd have liked to see a proper supernatural twist...Maybe its revealed that all of his actions were simply some sort of blood sacrifice to keep an eldritch evil locked away and content under the city, a task many before him has had. An ending with him captured and imprisoned, only for the ground to start shaking and a cataclysmic behemoth to emerge could have painted him as a "good" but evil guy - sacrifice a few for the sake of many? It could mix with the care and love he has for his family and his desperation to follow the cycle, despite flagging sanity.
I was wondering if that would happen, since he keeps seeing his mother everywhere. It just ends up being that she's probably his first kill and he's been trying to make her happy in some sick way by killing other people.
The pacing in the concert, the framing, the energy was so melatonin-like that the whole movie felt sluggish, disembodied, ineffectual. Then they left that concert and Night turned the whole movie over to his daughter, who now takes the gold from Sofia Coppola for the worst director-daughter performance in cinematic history. By the time it ended half the audience, myself concluded, were so checked out were were all having our own out-of-body experiences. To be in that audience watching this movie was to be trapped indeed, so a mental vacation was the only escape.
I concur with everything you said about M Night and this movie. Additionally, the after concert scenes involving Lady Raven contributed superfluous minutes to the film's duration. That entire act was excessive because the final girl was revealed to be the killer's wife, so there was no need to have Lady Raven go inside their house.
The ending was trash. It feels like it was reshot and tacked on. He should have left his daughter with Raven, flirted back with the gay singer, then escaped the arena with him. Then they could show him with an evil look as he’s about to chop the singer up. He won. The end.
I predict that MN Shamalan's daughter will prove herself to be an actor with all the talent of Jaden Smith, and that the elder Shamalan's efforts to launch his offspring's acting career will be every bit as well-received as were Will Smith's for his progeny.
Man. It just really gut punched me on how old I am. Actors I watched play late teens, early 20s, hot shot, heart throbs are now playing dads of older teenagers.
I have no problem with the movie just being a 2 hour promo for his daughter. I have a problem with the movie objectively being bad. Like at least do it properly. Theres bad acting, scenes and shots that make no sense, storylines that are started but go nowhere. And dont get me started on the dialogue. Has MNS ever had a real conversation with a real human being? Surely Josh Hartnett had to train for years to get the physique necessary to carry the whole film.
I watched this movie in theaters. I won’t say it’s bad because I think the first half wasn’t half bad. Josh Harnet played this character very well and kept me intrigued even if there were some silly moments. It wasn’t until the second half started where Lady Raven became a much more important character than she needed to be and them just leaving the arena which was the main selling point that I started to dislike the movie. That half of the movie really brought it down so I’ll just this movie a painfully mid. Has good things like Josh Harnett and interesting premise but that’s about it.
DR. GRANT: The police found a ticket linking the Butcher to a concert of Lady Raven which he may or may not attend. So I want your approval for me to lead over a hundred cops to hold thousands of attendees, production crew, and all who are inside the stadium until I can identify and arrest the Butcher. FBI DIRECTOR: You just want free concert pass at the expense of taxpayers' money. DR. GRANT: The butcher probably could not afford Taylor Swift's concert ticket price. But, I'll get Lady Raven sign an autograph with dedication on your picture. FBI DIRECTOR: Deal!!! I mean, I approve your plan!
I thought it might be something like oh they were looking for a serial killer but there was actually another at that same show, so they weren't actually looking for him. I knew it would be something wild, and when he gets it right, it's great, but when he doesn't, it's really, really bad. He's been chasing that Sixth Sense high for 25 years but that was his peak sadly.
That's a good idea the movie stays in the stadium and in the end when he gets caught turns out they aren't even looking for him would have been a nice twist
The premise is such nonsense on the face of it. But why not have the main twist be the classic Poe's Telltale Heart? Start out the same way, this guy, a killer, discovers all of this convoluted goings on about catching him in the midst of a militarized pop concert. Then in the end, his freaking out about it is what gets him caught, most of the commotion having taken place in his own paranoid mind. But that would be way too advanced for today's Shyamalan.
Went into this movie not even knowing it was a Shyamalan movie, a buddy asked if i wanted to go. Setting aside the unrealistic aspect that no judge would sign off on this operation, the foreboding dread of him searching for a gap in the arena security is well done. I was thoroughly hooked. But once they leave the arena in the limo the whole movie just fucking craters. It's like M Night didn't know what to do next in the story as he already had a ton of glamour shots of his daughter on stage and just handed the script off to her to save the day and then he took it back after wards to wrap the story up. so contrived
M. Night thinks he is a GOD tier director and writer when in reality he has much more misses than hits, and now his nepo child has been forced on us to laugh for even more decades to come
I think he’s an (arguably) good director. It terms of placing themes in a visual medium, he does great! He makes pretty movies. I’m willing to give him that he even has interesting premises, but the man just can’t write a story. He has talent to tell a story, but, he does not have the talent to craft a story. I wish he had more “No” people surrounding him.
@@BlueberryBatter I agree he is a good director. He is a terrible writer/rewriter. And he only seems to want to direct his own writing which is the biggest issue. A good director is still going to flop when they've got such a stilted script.
@@prettyevil6662000 I wouldn't even say he's a terrible writer, he's very out there, and he definitely has his own style and voice. I find a lot of his films to come down to personal taste. NONE of his films are perfect. They ALL have inconsistencies and Shamalamisms throughout. That's, kind of what makes his movies his. You would be hard pressed to find a David Lynch film that isn't riddled with his awful camera angles and color choices, but he also wouldn't be known for his style if he DIDN'T straddle the border of creativity vs. throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
@@davidmason6794 don't know who you're talking to, what comment you're arguing against, or what the correct view would be in your opinion. Genuinely, elaborate please, because I find it ironic that your criticism of someone else's writing is pretty indecipherable and I'd love to actually hear your take.
@@jessicagudino8461 You can’t even imagine how funny it is to read such comments to those who have already watched the film. Since such a comment clearly shows that you haven’t watched the movie at all and have no idea what you’re writing about))
@@SadieMeadors A simple question: how many minutes in the film are the songs of the pop singer Lady Raven heard from the stage? The answer destroys all the nonsense of unwatched haters about "promotion singing career" and "most expensive music video" :D
The twist is M Night has brainwashed you into thinking that he's actually really good, the 'trap' is getting you to pay your hard earned money on watching his daughters pop concert for the duration of the film 😆
The receipt his wife found not having a seat number or at least a transaction number that the ticketing company could look up and find out who bought the ticket and then the police would just find him that way is the most contrived thing
Thank you for reviewing this. With M. Night Shamalamadingdong at the helm, I am always cautious. Is it a good movie or will I be confused and angry at the end? Not just time spent watching the movies, but the absurd plot holes you can never unsee. _What a twist!_ Sixth Sense: Brilliant! “Could he be the next big director?” Still one of the best thriller movies of all-time. Glass: I hate you, M. Night. Split: Okay. Not bad. Professor X Jr. was incredible. Unbreakable: Good, but its reputation went down hill when it became associated with the others. _AND THEN THERE IS MOTHER FUCKING_ Signs: Aliens that are adversely affected by water, land on a planet covered in water. This planet rains water. Water is the life blood of nearly every living organism on the planet. Blorp the III: _”Let's land there, Planet of Watery Death."_ *Those aliens must have been the Special Olympics playing, short bus riding, helmet wearing version of their species.* I'm legitimately angry. If I see you in public, you owe me $8. I'm tired, otherwise I'd go on.
You know you missed the mark as a filmmaker if you have a movie with both Mel Gibson and Joaquin Phoenix and the only thing anyone remembers about the damn thing is how stupid the aliens had to be.
Most ppl didn't get that Signs was a "spiritual" movie, which you need to see with spiritual eyes. I.e. the Aliens were demons, and were killed by "holy water" . Movie Signs , was about faith.
Damn I honestly feel bad for this guy. In a world where everything is a remake or a sequel he legitimately has really good concepts, but can just never complete execute on the idea or in some cases just land the plane. It’s like he needs to just take a course or two and he’ll be great. He made me a fan of slow pace suspense movies…. But man it’s painful watching some oh his movies just waffle on
I think the point is that all Cooper's 'luck' is absurd! Him continually making it out of situations in unrealistic ways, to the bewilderment of the audience, is the point. We're supposed to go, 'wait, what?!', at everything. M has said in an interview, that part of the inspiration for the film was a real-life sting operation that happened when he was younger. Where over 100 fugitives were tricked into thinking they'd won free football tickets, who actually showed up and were then arrested in groups at a stadium filled with police in disguise. He said that the absurdity of the whole situation stuck with him. The juxtaposition of this serious operation happening, whilst agents were dressed up as cheerleaders dancing and vendors preparing and serving at concession stands; everything feeling like a big party, then the switch flipping to serious when the arrests took place. Overall, I enjoyed it. Felt a bit odd in the last half but nothing really took me out of the experience of the absurdity of the whole thing, and my mates and I had fun noticing things that may or may not be plot items and theorising on what was happening and where things would go. I don't hold strong feelings or expectations when it comes to M films and just enjoy the ride.
If you ride it, it's minute to minute pretty entertaining, but if you dissect it, you will find stuff that just doesn't stick together, continuity, logic, holes in the plot, pure nonsense, etc, at one point you feel the movie doesn't want to end, but again I found it entertaining.
"It's an unusual concept" It's literally just Columbo without the confused cop. One of the most iconic crime series of all time was written that way for like 7 or 8 seasons.
20:48 It’s really not that unusual of a concept there’s been many shows and movies where the audience knows who the killer is and no one else does. Case and point Dexter lol
Ever since the last Airbender I promised myself if I ever seen this man that I would back hand him! Stop giving this man movies to destroy. This was just to set his daughter up for fame.
So his wife suspected her husband to be a serial killer. So her plan…let her serial killer husband take her daughter to a concert and give vague tips to the police so they can attempt to find him at a concert where there are thousands of people…yeah makes total sense.
She probably assumed the swat team wasn't brain dead and would have nabbed the man who left the concert location or tried to leave it multiple times and/or was around distraction events. Hovered his hand over the fire alarm. near a lady who 'fell' down the stairs near the oil explosion Exited via the roof Went behind the scenes with the shirt employee Showed up at the swat meeting (it's pretty well-known that killers like to view things like this) Asked if he can leave from back stage.
Hartnett's performance was truly remarkable. He was one of the only redeeming factors of this movie. I felt an eerie chill every time he smiled. Wish the film would have used him better 😔
Idk for some reason I feel like Josh kind of gives me a "human Michael Meyers" vibe because he kept escaping/ surviving. And maybe also because he was in H20, and he would technically be Michael's nephew. Shyamalan could def spin into that somehow if he got the rights &/or did a second film.
I like how basically all the black actors were accomplices. First dude: Hey... imma tell you a secret about this WHOLE concert. Shit, I might as well tell you the super secret password & let you steal my access card too! SWAT guy in the SWAT meeting looking for sugar: Ayo...where's the sugar Mr. out of place Civilian? You DEFINITELY look like you belong in this room.... We keep the walkie-talkies ever there SWAT guy on roof: I'm law enforcement but imma just ask for the super secret meeting card and not also look at your ID... in that wallet you seemed to be surprised to find in that apron. Oh, & you ask WHO was the lady at the super secret meeting? Yeah I guess we never INTRODUCED her at the meeting she organized. Limo driver at the house: Yawn... looks like this is all settled Imma disappear. The limo will find it's way back by itself. Bonus: Kid Cudi being gay for no reason!
Honestly I was expecting David Dunn to be watching the events of this sting unfolding from a diner to reveal this is all within the Unbreakable universe 😆
He was in Oppenheimer last year and did a feature-length episode on Black Mirror a couple years ago too though! I hope to see him in more things too, but I think he decided to scale back on leading roles to be with his family more.
Shyamalan is the peak example of "Why you need to retire when you make the big f*** you money", he's become more of a joke with his films as the years go by.
I think the luck thing is on purpose. This is another entry in the Unbreakable/Split/Glass series. Josh Hartnett is Trap. He has this supernatural power to always escape any situation.
I felt the same way that when they leave the concert it falls hard. There are plenty of options the film could have taken however the constant need to keep you guessing paired with the PG-13 rating pulls it back. There would have been some potential to have the scene in which raven takes the phone and tries to find the guy in the house to find the wrong house as he has many and through this act when leaving the bathroom, the living room covered in blood from his rage literally tearing the family apart and he is seemingly not around. She gets out and police arrive and she gets in her limo and the driver gets in to drive, the we cut back to the cops and they find the escape tunnel to a cut back to the limo and he adjusts the mirror to reveal he is the driver and roll credits. It plays favorite to him as the killer but he is the main character and falls into the unsolved crime category like Hannibal leaving as well.
I loved this movie. Him revealing he is the Butcher to the singer at the end was great because I always wondered why villains reveal themselves at odd times and this movie showed how it's a last ditch effort to escape.
It would have been better if the daughter or wife was the Butcher and Josh would cover up for them. His panic is getting caught and no one to be there to protect them.
I went in thinking josh was gonna disguise himself as a police officer to get out. That or making the singer his greatest victim of his career. Neither happened.
If it helps, I specifically watched your video and hadn't seen Trap because I knew Shyamalan was likely to do something like this. You took the bullet for a lot of us.
I think this movie would’ve been so cool if we were lead to believe that the MC was not the killer, and see small things that lead to large chaos like the fact it’s a stadium. Would’ve been so cool to see the audience go in a panic once realize what’s happening, state of looking for the killer while the real one starts causing panic by killing some. Kind of like witch hunts, it would’ve been fun and refreshing. Idk if this makes sense
He definitely does have some low “lows”. But honestly The Village was awesome. Had no idea what was coming. I think the best thing he can do now is remove his name from his next film. Going in completely blind is the best way to enjoy his movies. Same could be said of 10 Cloverfield Ln
The way they talk during the promotion for this movie, you'd think "Mr. Brooks", was never made. If you haven't seen that movie, it's this primise but done right, and it's great.
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"Okay guys hear me out, we want to arrest this serial murderer, right? Right, so I'm thinking we trap him in a stadium with thousands of hostages and innocent bystanders."
"... okay, but won't he just take hostages or otherwise endanger all those innocent people?"
"No way, I mean, you'd have to be pretty messed up to take an innocent person hostage... right?"
I think they were okay with potential casualties. That is why SWAT was called. Their main purpose is to neutralize the target by any means necessary. What I am more baffled by is why the wife was not arrested alongside her husband for being aiding and abetting a known fugitive.
@soulweaponx6644 I thought the wife was the one who found him out and tipped off the police. Not sure why she didn't just direct the police to their home where innocent people wouldn't have been endangered, but I digress.
@@brandonp.6051 that makes sense too. there wouldn't have been a movie if that happened.
Lmao
Shyamalan: Not a problem! Barely an inconvenience! 😏
M.Night was the perfect choice to direct his daughter Saleka's feature-length music video.
It absolutely convinced me that I should immediately forget about her again, too.
Thank you for that confirmation. I was thinking how much she resembled M Night the whole time her clips were playing.
_"Our next act is living proof that nepotism is alive and well..."_
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@@힐만94a father can't support their children? You're weird bro... Just letting you know... There's zero favoritism or "nepotism" involved... Just a father who decided to make a feature length film based around his daughter's music... Loser
This is exactly how I felt while watching.
A real cool twist would have been getting all the way to the end and his daughter turning out to be the actual serial killer and him just being an enabler willing to do horrible things to cover for his murderous daughter's crimes.
Oh that could have been interesting, and does feel very Shamalon, on a good day.
That's exactly the twist I guessed when I first saw the trailer
That's what I thought would happen. Would've been much better than knowing the wife could've just sent the police to his house and not had the cops do such a dangerous, expensive, and foolish sting like this.
That's what I figured would happen lmao
Or the family is just twisted, and what we got was a half bake story instead
How weird is it that his daughter, Saleka, a recording artist is ALSO the singer Lady Raven, played by his daughter Saleka, a recording artist. You know, his daughter, Saleka, a recording artist, is a recording artist, named Saleka.
And now I've gone crosseyed
So wait…. His daughter is a recording artist named Saleka?
lol like Leslie Headland putting her wife into The Acolyte or Rob Zombie putting his wife into literally everything even though they can’t act to save their lives.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The girl has RANGE !
This movie was his attempt to make his daughter famous. Period.
Damn bro you are totally right!! Ingenious way to promote an artist/daughter
This is what I said halfway through the movie.
And so what about it ?
@@2kilo1 it's cheap af, that's what's about it.
Yea, that sucks. Like your best friend or parent are manager of a company, only to get hired with no experience 😂
My first thought when I read the plot synopsis was why in the heck would thousands of innocent men at the concert agree to be interrogated by authorities ?? Wouldn’t at least 90% of them demand to see a lawyer ??
Lol yes they would. No one wants to be falsely accused because they randomly did or said something close to what the killer did.
All this would be highly illegal. From fire codes to right of free travel violations.
Oh yeah, and wreckless endangerment of innocent bystanders.
I'm sure there'd be some, but nowhere near 90%. You'd be surprised how many people either don't know their rights or don't invoke them, especially when they're innocent. People often think there's no need for a lawyer if they have nothing to hide or that demanding a lawyer makes them seem guilty. There's also the aspects of being manipulated into talking (the "just chatting" approach by interrogators), genuinely wanting to be helpful & going with the crowd/not wanting to be "difficult"
@@ChaosRaychAll it takes is a handful of people that refuse to go along with what’s going on and demand to be let go.
@@ChaosRaychNot anymore, sov-cit culture is alive and well and this isn’t a misdemeanor we’re talking about being accused of multiple homicides. Ain’t no way even half of them would cooperate with a warrantless search and interrogation.
HOW ABOUT THE PERSON THEY CHASE AND TACKLE LIKE????
Random minor thing I'll argue, you mention Harnet's character is incredibly lucky. That was most serial killers though, the majority of them were always touted as being these amazing masterminds, only to all this time later find out cops were just lazy and the killers were just lucky.
Jeffery’s victim literally escaping running into the cops and incoherently seeking help and jerffery literally smooth talking them into giving back the escaped victim
@@omniken2494 It was barely even smooth talk man, he said it was his boyfriend and the cops gay panicked the fuck out.
yeah if you watch true crime stuff about serial killers, you think to yourself that the police is just really bad overall, but the cases where the police immediately got the right clue/person whatever, probably didnt escalate to serial killings. (technical advancements aside)
That is true. A lot of them got lucky many times before being caught.
@@deusex9731That's the thing, the cops are people like any other and likely aren't wanting to just assume someone is a serial killer in a sus situation over just being a bit off.
If they do go that route, well...you can very easily hurt or kill an innocent man (or at least someone that didn't do enough to be killed)
He wasn't very clear but he has a daughter named Saleka? Cause he didn't say that he has a daughter named Saleka enough times, I'm sure his daughter's name is Saleka
You sure it was Saleka? Can't 'member
I think her name is Seleka, I think he might have mentioned it.
His daughter? Saleka, his daughter?
He has a daughter named Saleka?
He's never mentioned it.
I’m still not sure if that’s his daughter
M Night movies truly piss me off…because they come SO CLOSE to being good.
The last 45 minutes of this movie were absolutely abysmal. Lazy writing and loopholes galore.
(Spoiler alert)
Let’s forget the odds of them even getting CLOSE to escaping BACKSTAGE with the singer.
There’s a scene where the SWAT team shoot who they think is the butcher in the limo SURROUNDED by people. It ends up being a dummy.
How did he get out??? How did he escape?
Then later at the very end the SWAT team take him down with TASERS as he lunges towards them?? Tasers? Really?
And then they let him stop to adjust a bicycle? The same criminal they set up this gigantic trap for?
Josh Hartnett was honestly a cool casting choice for this, but the last part of this movie was abysmal.
guy has a encrypted phone with a 12 digit password for his victim camera and the singer just grabs his phone opens up the app immediately and he spend 10 minutes banging on the bathroom door it would take 2 seconds to kick in the door and the family were just robots
AND HE’S A FIREFIGHTER
"I've never seen my house in that lense before"
proceeds to have a fucking UNDERGROUND HOLE LEADING TO THE NEIGHBOURS GARDEN
And then SOMEHOW GETS FULL FUCKING SWAT KIT before the limo driver then just WILLINGLY SWAPS WITH THIS STRANGER
He reminds me of authors who can't write an ending to save their stories (GRRM, Stephen King, etc.)
@@emeral311 Really? I’m not a big fan but I didn’t know Stephen King had bad endings in his books? My mom loved reading his stuff.
Hartnett has always been a truly charismatic actor, I love him in 30 Days of Night. It’s no surprise he was the best thing of the movie, it’s only a shame this movie couldn’t be a better stage for him to show everything he could do.
Josh is awesome
Penny Dreadful 🔥
He tries to avoid Hollywood movies so it's sad he was wasted on this.
@@GreenEyedGumby100%
He's so charming in Lucky Number Slevin, that movie is super slept on.
Wife: Hello, FBI? I suspect my husband is the serial butcher guy...
FBI: Cool, let's have him take your daughter to a concert, where he will be surrounded by innocent people. Also, We think we'll tell random employees of our trap, don't even give us a picture, at no point will we make that information public, that way he can constantly hide without anyone recognizing him. Also, we think we'll let a popstar and all her followers do our job of tracking him down... In fact, we'll just be completely incompetent. Thanks for the tip.
To be fair, this is not how things happen in the film- it is explained in what I'd call a human and believable way. Lots of other ridiculousness though.
Don’t listen to that idiot who replied to you… this is EXACTLY how it happens in the film, and what Shayamalan expect the audience to swallow.
Loved how well you pointed out how god-awful this flimsy excuse for a movie was, with its lunatic-level degrees of disbelief it both presents and inspires. Just wretched. Makes “Old” look like “Citizen Kane.” 🤦♀️
IF the wife had ACTUALLY TOLD the FBI she suspected her husband was the killer (like any sane person would), then there'd be no need for this nonsensical plan to try and catch him... OH, and that Ending.... UGH!!! 🤦
@@Laarye Sorry, @senecauk, that is the essence of EXACTLY how it's "explained" in the film and what the audience is asked to swallow! 🤣😝💯😝🤣
@@cyberpunkcentral8500 the wife didn't talk to the FBI? She left a clue. She feared learning for definite herself. Don't get me wrong, the film is ludicrous and while I enjoyed it I had to swallow many problems with it and just accept them. I thought this explanation for how the whole thing was set up was actually pretty good as these things usually go
It got to the point where I wanted Cooper to just talk to the cops and lie because it seemed like he could’ve easily just done that.
HE's a firefighter, and probably local, with that many cops he probably knew a couple of them and could have talked his way out of getting checked. That's something that happens in real life.
That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. If the FBI don't have a picture of him or any other identifying information, how is this a trap?
Sir, are you the killer?
Totally not!
Sorry, we had to ask. Next!
Exactly, literally what are the police even asking to catch them?!
@@ellicel theres a part where they say he has a tattoo of a rabbit which he covers with a lady raven wrist band,but yeah i honestly thought he had a better chance at just playing along at the end instead of snitching himself to lady raven
@@alse93 Thanks for the explanation!
Lets be real here, Knight only made this movie to promote his daughter's singing career.
Which is pretty unnecessary imo. Her music was the only good thing about the movie for me
And that's ok
And in a real twist ending, he has succeeded in killing any chance she has.
It probably would've been more compelling if it was like 1-3 detectives versus a serial killer. The fact there's 9000 police officers and the FBI and whoever just makes it too absurd and completely unbelievable.
That would have been awesome
If he wanted to throw in a twist that would have been a surprise due to his family acting weird too. They're a family of serial killers and they are aware of the man in the basement and now they take Raven hostage.
I kept thinking that was the twist. That we weren't actually following around a serial killer, but rather we were following around the cleanup man who got caught trying to hide his daughter's crimes and he was now trying to find a path to help her escape without telling her the danger.
And I want the movie I expected way more than the trash we got.
Simple!! 💯 I truly believe Hollyweird, politics and sports fuck us all over on purpose
@@prettyevil6662000 i really enjoyed the movie... but this premise would have been so much cooler and more unique
@@prettyevil6662000 when i saw the trailer for the first time i also thought that was gonna be the twist, seems more cool if you ask me
I was hoping for this too. Big missed opportunity
One of his daughters directed the horror movie The Watchers which got a 32% on rotten tomatoes. The plot for trap actually sounds super entertaining except for the gaping plot holes. It probably would have been better to have the concert on lockdown over a bomb threat or something and the protagonist just happens to get swept up in trying to get out because he's worried they'll discover he's a serial killer
Watchers was nepo baby garbage!
Also make the police presence more subtle. A few extra police officers here and there, tell people it's just a safety precaution for the singer, have a few undercover agents lurking around. Have the killer piece together that they know he's here then have the agents figure out that he knows they know he's here. Much more cat and mouse. Then let the big twist be that his daughter is in on it but he's trying to let her have a normal concert for once that they just ruined. Make it a case of "If you just left me be none of this would have happened"
@@t1dotaku absolutely! Or if Shyamalan wanted to throw his signature big twist in make it so the serial killer spent the whole movie thinking he had to figure out some elaborate escape only to discover the cops had no idea he even existed and he panicked for nothing
I actually went to a girls’ school with Ishyana, the one who directed The Watchers. She was a couple years older than me, but we were in a club together that she led. She always struck me as really quite kind and intelligent, but to have taken on such an ambitious project so early into her filmmaking career did strike me as a questionable idea, simply due to her lack of experience, even with the help from her dad along the way. It seems he’s a little too willing to give his daughters legs up in the industry when they aren’t necessarily ready for such big platforms.
You're kinda missing the point of what the police were trying to do.
They wanted to catch the killer by surprise, and so scaring him by having a lockdown would just mean he can take a hostage. The police wanted to take him before he could do anything.
The swat guarding the entrance could've given it away but that can mostly be chalked up to just high security for a big event which is understandable.
What a nice way to say this was the only way we could get people to go see my kids concert and listen to her music.
Honestly, I thought the Shyamalanian twist would be that he would be some sort of Profiler who had gotten so deep into the though process of the Killer that he would slowly loose himself to that other persona, with the only saving grace in the end being his daughter. The actual plot feels even worse than that...
I was hoping that it was a 'The Bad Seed' kinda thing and that he was just cleaning up after his troubled spoiled daughter.
He doesn’t wanna take big risks anymore. And he doesn’t trust his audience. Disappointing
@@ericb2282 Yeah because he's bad at it.
thats cliche. The actual plot is very good. He doesn't have to have "a twist" every movie.
or something like the guy whos kidnapped is the butcher and he wanted to torture the butcher, but he had no solid evidence he is, so coming off clean wouldnt been an option and feared he will go to prison, and he was like some kind of dexter (the serial killer from the series)who only kills bad people, but midway i kinda felt there wasnt gonna be a twist, i was just curious how did they know about the tattoo, and the twist of the wife being the snitch was weak, honestly it was bad but at the same time i kinda enjoyed how bad it was, idk if id watch part 2 if it ever comes out, but definetly wont watch this one again, one and done
Josh Hartnett deserves a better fate than this. The plot is ridiculous and completely falls apart.
Shayamalan just revived Josh’s career by creating this character.
I’m so bummed that the “twist” didn’t turn out to be the fact that M. Night’s “daughter” was just M. Night in a wig this whole time. Talk about meta right?!? 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
To be honest, Sakeka DOES kinda look like M. Night in drag…
Dem Shayamalan genes must be pretty strong… 👠💄💋
I´m so happy to see Josh Hartnett back, but not in a M. Night Shyamalan Movie goddamit.
He deserves a Tarantino style comeback like Travolta, David Carradine or Pam Grier...
I mean there was a solid 40 minutes in the middle that was really great and had me invested. Watching him try to find a way out was really tense but it kinda went downhill once they go backstage with the singer
Nope, still tense, people just not pays attention to details. Limo scene, piano scene, bathroom scene, kitchen scene still gives thrills.
@@Str52849rofl bad bot
I thought it was a decent movie, especially once they got out of the arena tbh
@@SadieMeadorsbot it's who have no argument at all))
@@SlappaClappa yes, and his spectrum of emotions on a concert gets a deeper explanation
It was a "meh" leaning on good for the first hour, then it became a contrived, predictive M. Night plot-twist film. My friends and I kept thinking Lady Raven looked related to M. Night but kept saying no, he's already in the movie, no way that's a fam cameo, and sure enough when the credits rolled, knowing that he basically built a film about his daughter's passion (and also double dip as an actor in the film), did leave a sour taste in the mouth after watching it NGL. Watch it expecting a 6-7 and be wowed by the 4-5 it is.
There is also a shot of his other daughters film The Watchers in the beginning.
Roger Ebert over here.
Not only was her name in the end credits but it’s very clearly stated at the start of the film too!
- Dad, can I have a minor role, singing in your next movie please?
- Sure. let you have a bigger concert.
- Is it a stadium? How about the story?
- Never mind. We fill them both
He kills NOBODY in the whole ass movie
😂😂😂
Closest he gets is making the fryer explode in front of that poor worker lmao
@@slothboi7131I'd say the closest was forcing his thumbs into the eyes of a swat officer when he got tazed.
It’s PG 13 too. 😂
7:20 But that's literally Dexter. He made Dexter at a concert but made Dexter unlikeable SMH.
I thought the exact same thing!
I feel like this movie came from him wanting to make his daughter famous and he came up with the idea while watching Dexter
Dexter kills bad people not random innocents tho
Lmao I just read this post just after posting bay harbor butcher lmao I though the same thing he just made this to have his daughter come out
When he picked up the bike near the end, me and my friend turned to each other at the same time and we thought he was about to get on the little kid's bike and pedal as fast as he could away from all the cops and they would be like 'Guess there's nothing we can do, he got away' and the movie ends
Haha that would’ve been amazing
As idiotic as that sounds it would have been no different or worse than the shitty ending we got.
The fact that he was allowed such freedoms after all the horrific murders, pushing a swat officers eyeballs in, etc, was just so over the top I can't even.
No Attorney General or Judge in their right mind sign off on an operation like this.
“That’s why it’ll work” scribbles the script doctor into the mouth of a renegade detective.
There is a real incident that seems to have loosely inspired this- in the 80s a fake convention was run. Around 100 fugitives were offered tickets and prizes, and were caught.
Idk have you seen what atf latest murder?? Wouldn’t entirely surprise me tbh
Next you’re going to tell me Harry Potter isn’t really a wizard and Luke skywalker moving objects with his mind isn’t possible either. You mean to say movies contain improbable scenarios and an agreement with the audience to suspend disbelief?? I’m relatively new to movies and definitely appreciate the heads up
@@KyleSliger Looks like someone doesn't understand what suspension of disbelief means. Suspension of disbelief only works within the established framework of the story. If Harry Potter randomly gained the ability to fly or batman randomly became bulletproof, that wouldn't be suspension of disbelief, that would be bad writing.
In this movie, the premise is that the story is set in regular America, which means the movie needs to follow the rules of regular America, which means police ops need to be at least plausible.
It's a trap
Wouldn't there be at least one Sovereign Citizen in the crowd saying to the police I don't consent when questioned?
Admiral Ackbar didn't even show up once. 0/10
Thank you for an honestly funny joke
Haha ikr
Lmao.. my guy said the biggest trap was the trailer! 😂
It's bloody right as well!
😂😂😂😂😂
So true. We were hyped!! This looked like we were going back to the Signs and Sixth Sense days. Then we got this 💩 of a movie that completely fell apart once he started trying to escape.
If the Mother suspected him the whole time, and the whole reason the police were there was on his wife’s tip, why would they be questioning anyone other than the actual killer?
She didn't tell the cops who he was. She wanted to be wrong and only gave a small tip that the butcher might be there and wanted to see if it would prove his innocence
@@Deathcardcodwaw that makes sense. I haven’t seen the movie
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing us that Shyamalan was talented
Lmao saying he's not talented is a bit much. He's still made 4 very good films - The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, Signs and Split.
Signs is trash@@dasadman
He's talented at setting things up, just can't finish.
@@dasadman4 good films and how many terrible ones?
@@unfortunatecircumstances8870 don’t forget The Visitors
I thought the concept of the movie was interesting but I feel like the movie wasted to much times in some parts and that it had more runtime then it should have
Right off the bat, lots of Law enforcement attending a public event.
And nobody is looking at or acknowledging the heavily armed SWAT with loaded ARs and tons of police in and out the of the stadium.
I'll never watch anything Shyamalan does after how he ended GLASS. I loved Unbreakable and SPLIT - liked really loved them and had such high hopes for more movies in that storyline with David Dunn. It still makes me sick how he ended that. Never again, not even for Josh Hartnett. . .
All for some stupid plot twist about a secret society of people that obfuscate the existence of super heroes. I was looking forward to David and the Beast fighting on top of the tower, like how the movie kept hinting at. But they never even leave the hospital grounds. David drowns in a shallow puddle right outside of it. Why even pump up the audience for a fight if you’re just not going to deliver? David Dunn could have died for something instead of nothing. Awful movie.
Because it's antiMarvel superhero movie
Cry harder boy you do not have creative authority over his movies
@@Laquintainnroom217 Cry harder boy you do not control the opinions of others.
@@Laquintainnroom217 You enjoyed the ending in Glass? What is your opinion on it? Let's have a converrsation.
Ok so here's the famous serial killer, that we never see his victims or how he kills...
this movie was so bad that i felt robbed of my time and money even thought i watched a free bootleg version online for free
Same.
Bflix?
😂😂😂
Same here. Never felt so angry at a movie in my life
@@Docktor06 really do it made you more angry than any holocaust or slavery movie ? Bro get your self right
"Both the protagonist AND antagonist" is the epitome of why Shamalamadingdong is unqualified as a writer.
We all had theories for a twist. Mine was that the FBI profiler was his mother.
Edit: Also, keeping captives wasn't even his M.O. He killed people and disassembled them.
Wow we’re likeminded here I was gonna pretty much post this lol
Judge by the comments it seems like only a few of us are even paying attention.
When Cooper somehow went behind the counter at the Shake Shack, went up to the fryer that is right behind the counter in plain view of the customers and employees, grabbed two full bottles of oil that were also in plain view, put them into the fryer without the fryer overflowing somehow, turned the fryer up to max, and walked out without a single person seeing him, i was taken right out of the movie. He didnt wear a mask or any kind of disguise, and it was established that the entire stadium was covered in security cameras, so if the police or the shake shack manager decided to watch the security footage to see how two full bottles of oil ended up in the fryer, they wouldve blatently seen cooper do it. The lead FBI lady even mentioned how the butcher would use chaos as a distraction, but not a single officer decided to watch that footage to see who caused that particular chaotic distraction. If they had, they wouldve seen that cooper is the butcher well before cooper was able to leave the concert.
Also, the moment towards the end when cooper is arrested and theyre bringing him out of his house, and he stops to go over to his daughters bike to stand it up made zero sense. No real life swat officer would ever in a million years let a dangerous person who is being arrested stop to touch anything. I also dont think they would have cuffed him with his hands in front of him. Theres just these little plot holes that exist because M night couldnt figure out how to have these things happened narratively while also being realistic, and theyre so distracting
Right, not to mention huge bottles of oil are usually PLASTIC. Even smaller ones usually are. Like come on. Cooper would have been shot the second the tazers weren't working and he took a step towards the one officer.
This to me sounds like M. Night wanted to do Dexter without doing what made the character interesting as a normal family man and serial killer
What made Dexter interesting is he had a moral code
@@BostonBori92 whereas the main character of trap is just a generic serial killer with a family. Very meh
@@aaronbood1999 Wouldn't even call him a serial killer because the movie doesn't portray him as one we're told he's one and we see his phone but they display nothing in his demeanor or in his actions...He acts like a criminal trying to evade capture not a serial killer trying to avoid capture
@@aaronbood1999 Dexter not only acted like a serial killer a big conflict of the whole show was him fighting with his own urges and his own nature and not giving into the monster he thought he was...He didn't have to mask his life as a police officer it was his life he had friends, family etc and he enjoyed those things
Josh Hartnett is the best part of the film. Hope to see him in more stuff in the future.
From the first line in the trailer showing an employee spilling a major undercover operation to a random who could very well be the target made it a flop tbh. I can't suspend disbelief that much. They wouldn't have even told most employees.
Exactly, there is no reason to tell the employees anything AT ALL.
At 19:23 I also add,....How Lucky Cooper was
finding a Wallet in his Apron so he can show the card to the SWAT Team on the Rooftop
I've never heard of his daughter.
And you never will again
Her name is Seleka. Watch closely at the beginning… he might mention it.
so you never saw Servant and Old, thanks for sharing)
@@Str52849 she's not gonna be very famous lmao
@@Str52849noone cares about those terrible films
"What a twist!" M. Night Shamanman
I'd have liked to see a proper supernatural twist...Maybe its revealed that all of his actions were simply some sort of blood sacrifice to keep an eldritch evil locked away and content under the city, a task many before him has had. An ending with him captured and imprisoned, only for the ground to start shaking and a cataclysmic behemoth to emerge could have painted him as a "good" but evil guy - sacrifice a few for the sake of many? It could mix with the care and love he has for his family and his desperation to follow the cycle, despite flagging sanity.
lol like a sequel to Midnight Meat Train
@@181667 yeah!
There is a video game like that actually
I was wondering if that would happen, since he keeps seeing his mother everywhere. It just ends up being that she's probably his first kill and he's been trying to make her happy in some sick way by killing other people.
@@michaelwalker7400 That makes sense, yeah
The pacing in the concert, the framing, the energy was so melatonin-like that the whole movie felt sluggish, disembodied, ineffectual. Then they left that concert and Night turned the whole movie over to his daughter, who now takes the gold from Sofia Coppola for the worst director-daughter performance in cinematic history.
By the time it ended half the audience, myself concluded, were so checked out were were all having our own out-of-body experiences. To be in that audience watching this movie was to be trapped indeed, so a mental vacation was the only escape.
I concur with everything you said about M Night and this movie. Additionally, the after concert scenes involving Lady Raven contributed superfluous minutes to the film's duration. That entire act was excessive because the final girl was revealed to be the killer's wife, so there was no need to have Lady Raven go inside their house.
The ending was trash. It feels like it was reshot and tacked on. He should have left his daughter with Raven, flirted back with the gay singer, then escaped the arena with him. Then they could show him with an evil look as he’s about to chop the singer up. He won. The end.
Hayley Mills...
Wasn't she in "The Parent TRAP"?
What a Twist!!!
The wife being the actual killer as a plot twist would’ve been wayyyyy better
I predict that MN Shamalan's daughter will prove herself to be an actor with all the talent of Jaden Smith, and that the elder Shamalan's efforts to launch his offspring's acting career will be every bit as well-received as were Will Smith's for his progeny.
Man. It just really gut punched me on how old I am. Actors I watched play late teens, early 20s, hot shot, heart throbs are now playing dads of older teenagers.
To be fair she's 12, not even a teenager yet
I have no problem with the movie just being a 2 hour promo for his daughter.
I have a problem with the movie objectively being bad. Like at least do it properly. Theres bad acting, scenes and shots that make no sense, storylines that are started but go nowhere. And dont get me started on the dialogue. Has MNS ever had a real conversation with a real human being? Surely Josh Hartnett had to train for years to get the physique necessary to carry the whole film.
I watched this movie in theaters. I won’t say it’s bad because I think the first half wasn’t half bad. Josh Harnet played this character very well and kept me intrigued even if there were some silly moments. It wasn’t until the second half started where Lady Raven became a much more important character than she needed to be and them just leaving the arena which was the main selling point that I started to dislike the movie. That half of the movie really brought it down so I’ll just this movie a painfully mid. Has good things like Josh Harnett and interesting premise but that’s about it.
It was nepotism at its finest!
I mean it went into the ludicrous.
DR. GRANT: The police found a ticket linking the Butcher to a concert of Lady Raven which he may or may not attend. So I want your approval for me to lead over a hundred cops to hold thousands of attendees, production crew, and all who are inside the stadium until I can identify and arrest the Butcher.
FBI DIRECTOR: You just want free concert pass at the expense of taxpayers' money.
DR. GRANT: The butcher probably could not afford Taylor Swift's concert ticket price. But, I'll get Lady Raven sign an autograph with dedication on your picture.
FBI DIRECTOR: Deal!!! I mean, I approve your plan!
Do you mean DR GRANDE?
I thought it might be something like oh they were looking for a serial killer but there was actually another at that same show, so they weren't actually looking for him. I knew it would be something wild, and when he gets it right, it's great, but when he doesn't, it's really, really bad. He's been chasing that Sixth Sense high for 25 years but that was his peak sadly.
That's a good idea the movie stays in the stadium and in the end when he gets caught turns out they aren't even looking for him would have been a nice twist
The premise is such nonsense on the face of it. But why not have the main twist be the classic Poe's Telltale Heart? Start out the same way, this guy, a killer, discovers all of this convoluted goings on about catching him in the midst of a militarized pop concert. Then in the end, his freaking out about it is what gets him caught, most of the commotion having taken place in his own paranoid mind. But that would be way too advanced for today's Shyamalan.
Went into this movie not even knowing it was a Shyamalan movie, a buddy asked if i wanted to go.
Setting aside the unrealistic aspect that no judge would sign off on this operation, the foreboding dread of him searching for a gap in the arena security is well done. I was thoroughly hooked. But once they leave the arena in the limo the whole movie just fucking craters. It's like M Night didn't know what to do next in the story as he already had a ton of glamour shots of his daughter on stage and just handed the script off to her to save the day and then he took it back after wards to wrap the story up. so contrived
M. Night thinks he is a GOD tier director and writer when in reality he has much more misses than hits, and now his nepo child has been forced on us to laugh for even more decades to come
I think he’s an (arguably) good director. It terms of placing themes in a visual medium, he does great! He makes pretty movies. I’m willing to give him that he even has interesting premises, but the man just can’t write a story. He has talent to tell a story, but, he does not have the talent to craft a story. I wish he had more “No” people surrounding him.
@@BlueberryBatter I agree he is a good director. He is a terrible writer/rewriter. And he only seems to want to direct his own writing which is the biggest issue. A good director is still going to flop when they've got such a stilted script.
Wrong u don’t know cinema or cinema writing
@@prettyevil6662000 I wouldn't even say he's a terrible writer, he's very out there, and he definitely has his own style and voice. I find a lot of his films to come down to personal taste. NONE of his films are perfect. They ALL have inconsistencies and Shamalamisms throughout. That's, kind of what makes his movies his. You would be hard pressed to find a David Lynch film that isn't riddled with his awful camera angles and color choices, but he also wouldn't be known for his style if he DIDN'T straddle the border of creativity vs. throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
@@davidmason6794 don't know who you're talking to, what comment you're arguing against, or what the correct view would be in your opinion. Genuinely, elaborate please, because I find it ironic that your criticism of someone else's writing is pretty indecipherable and I'd love to actually hear your take.
A movie made to promote his daughter's singing career?!
No
Most expensive music video of the history
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@@jessicagudino8461 You can’t even imagine how funny it is to read such comments to those who have already watched the film. Since such a comment clearly shows that you haven’t watched the movie at all and have no idea what you’re writing about))
@@SadieMeadors A simple question: how many minutes in the film are the songs of the pop singer Lady Raven heard from the stage? The answer destroys all the nonsense of unwatched haters about "promotion singing career" and "most expensive music video" :D
The twist is M Night has brainwashed you into thinking that he's actually really good, the 'trap' is getting you to pay your hard earned money on watching his daughters pop concert for the duration of the film 😆
What were the police even asking those men? "Are you a serial killer?", "Nope.", "ok, on your way sir".
The receipt his wife found not having a seat number or at least a transaction number that the ticketing company could look up and find out who bought the ticket and then the police would just find him that way is the most contrived thing
Thank you for reviewing this. With M. Night Shamalamadingdong at the helm, I am always cautious.
Is it a good movie or will I be confused and angry at the end? Not just time spent watching the movies, but the absurd plot holes you can never unsee. _What a twist!_
Sixth Sense: Brilliant! “Could he be the next big director?” Still one of the best thriller movies of all-time.
Glass: I hate you, M. Night.
Split: Okay. Not bad. Professor X Jr. was incredible.
Unbreakable: Good, but its reputation went down hill when it became associated with the others.
_AND THEN THERE IS MOTHER FUCKING_ Signs:
Aliens that are adversely affected by water, land on a planet covered in water.
This planet rains water. Water is the life blood of nearly every living organism on the planet.
Blorp the III: _”Let's land there, Planet of Watery Death."_
*Those aliens must have been the Special Olympics playing, short bus riding, helmet wearing version of their species.*
I'm legitimately angry. If I see you in public, you owe me $8.
I'm tired, otherwise I'd go on.
You know you missed the mark as a filmmaker if you have a movie with both Mel Gibson and Joaquin Phoenix and the only thing anyone remembers about the damn thing is how stupid the aliens had to be.
Most ppl didn't get that Signs was a "spiritual" movie, which you need to see with spiritual eyes.
I.e. the Aliens were demons, and were killed by "holy water" . Movie Signs , was about faith.
@@UniqueGeekFreak What a twist!
So you... fell for his trap!
I know that drunk lady he pushed did!!!
Damn I honestly feel bad for this guy. In a world where everything is a remake or a sequel he legitimately has really good concepts, but can just never complete execute on the idea or in some cases just land the plane. It’s like he needs to just take a course or two and he’ll be great. He made me a fan of slow pace suspense movies…. But man it’s painful watching some oh his movies just waffle on
I think the point is that all Cooper's 'luck' is absurd! Him continually making it out of situations in unrealistic ways, to the bewilderment of the audience, is the point. We're supposed to go, 'wait, what?!', at everything.
M has said in an interview, that part of the inspiration for the film was a real-life sting operation that happened when he was younger. Where over 100 fugitives were tricked into thinking they'd won free football tickets, who actually showed up and were then arrested in groups at a stadium filled with police in disguise.
He said that the absurdity of the whole situation stuck with him.
The juxtaposition of this serious operation happening, whilst agents were dressed up as cheerleaders dancing and vendors preparing and serving at concession stands; everything feeling like a big party, then the switch flipping to serious when the arrests took place.
Overall, I enjoyed it. Felt a bit odd in the last half but nothing really took me out of the experience of the absurdity of the whole thing, and my mates and I had fun noticing things that may or may not be plot items and theorising on what was happening and where things would go.
I don't hold strong feelings or expectations when it comes to M films and just enjoy the ride.
It really just seems like lazy writing
This movie is good for the first half of the movie but once coop makes that dumbass decision to reveal himself everything goes down hill
If you ride it, it's minute to minute pretty entertaining, but if you dissect it, you will find stuff that just doesn't stick together, continuity, logic, holes in the plot, pure nonsense, etc, at one point you feel the movie doesn't want to end, but again I found it entertaining.
"It's an unusual concept"
It's literally just Columbo without the confused cop.
One of the most iconic crime series of all time was written that way for like 7 or 8 seasons.
20:48 It’s really not that unusual of a concept there’s been many shows and movies where the audience knows who the killer is and no one else does. Case and point Dexter lol
Ever since the last Airbender I promised myself if I ever seen this man that I would back hand him! Stop giving this man movies to destroy. This was just to set his daughter up for fame.
So his wife suspected her husband to be a serial killer. So her plan…let her serial killer husband take her daughter to a concert and give vague tips to the police so they can attempt to find him at a concert where there are thousands of people…yeah makes total sense.
She probably assumed the swat team wasn't brain dead and would have nabbed the man who left the concert location or tried to leave it multiple times and/or was around distraction events.
Hovered his hand over the fire alarm.
near a lady who 'fell' down the stairs
near the oil explosion
Exited via the roof
Went behind the scenes with the shirt employee
Showed up at the swat meeting (it's pretty well-known that killers like to view things like this)
Asked if he can leave from back stage.
Hartnett's performance was truly remarkable. He was one of the only redeeming factors of this movie. I felt an eerie chill every time he smiled. Wish the film would have used him better 😔
Idk for some reason I feel like Josh kind of gives me a "human Michael Meyers" vibe because he kept escaping/ surviving. And maybe also because he was in H20, and he would technically be Michael's nephew. Shyamalan could def spin into that somehow if he got the rights &/or did a second film.
I like how basically all the black actors were accomplices.
First dude: Hey... imma tell you a secret about this WHOLE concert. Shit, I might as well tell you the super secret password & let you steal my access card too!
SWAT guy in the SWAT meeting looking for sugar: Ayo...where's the sugar Mr. out of place Civilian? You DEFINITELY look like you belong in this room.... We keep the walkie-talkies ever there
SWAT guy on roof: I'm law enforcement but imma just ask for the super secret meeting card and not also look at your ID... in that wallet you seemed to be surprised to find in that apron. Oh, & you ask WHO was the lady at the super secret meeting? Yeah I guess we never INTRODUCED her at the meeting she organized.
Limo driver at the house: Yawn... looks like this is all settled Imma disappear. The limo will find it's way back by itself.
Bonus: Kid Cudi being gay for no reason!
Honestly I was expecting David Dunn to be watching the events of this sting unfolding from a diner to reveal this is all within the Unbreakable universe 😆
I hate this was hartnett's return movie. Hes such a good actor and deserves better
He was in Oppenheimer last year and did a feature-length episode on Black Mirror a couple years ago too though! I hope to see him in more things too, but I think he decided to scale back on leading roles to be with his family more.
Shyamalan is the peak example of "Why you need to retire when you make the big f*** you money", he's become more of a joke with his films as the years go by.
M. Night is the definition of "should have quit while you were ahead," many many many films ago,
Trap is a movie about a needle in a haystack who slowly contrives to turn themselves into a needle in a display case.
I think the luck thing is on purpose. This is another entry in the Unbreakable/Split/Glass series. Josh Hartnett is Trap. He has this supernatural power to always escape any situation.
I hope he doesn't make a sequel. Even with the ending, it is better off as a stand alone
He won’t, M. Night doesn’t do sequels…. But who knows
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@@ronweasley4767 lol ehh you kinda got me there.
Bit of a monologue but I kind of thought the song at the end was him speaking to Riley. Me thinks he’ll be back but solely for her.
Josh Hartnet's return is the best thing here. By far.
This reminds me of that movie Elijah Wood is a pianist, but goofy and not at all serious.
I felt the same way that when they leave the concert it falls hard. There are plenty of options the film could have taken however the constant need to keep you guessing paired with the PG-13 rating pulls it back. There would have been some potential to have the scene in which raven takes the phone and tries to find the guy in the house to find the wrong house as he has many and through this act when leaving the bathroom, the living room covered in blood from his rage literally tearing the family apart and he is seemingly not around. She gets out and police arrive and she gets in her limo and the driver gets in to drive, the we cut back to the cops and they find the escape tunnel to a cut back to the limo and he adjusts the mirror to reveal he is the driver and roll credits. It plays favorite to him as the killer but he is the main character and falls into the unsolved crime category like Hannibal leaving as well.
I loved this movie. Him revealing he is the Butcher to the singer at the end was great because I always wondered why villains reveal themselves at odd times and this movie showed how it's a last ditch effort to escape.
It would have been better if the daughter or wife was the Butcher and Josh would cover up for them. His panic is getting caught and no one to be there to protect them.
I went in thinking josh was gonna disguise himself as a police officer to get out. That or making the singer his greatest victim of his career. Neither happened.
If it helps, I specifically watched your video and hadn't seen Trap because I knew Shyamalan was likely to do something like this. You took the bullet for a lot of us.
I mean this is M. Night Shyamalan we're talking about, this movie was destined to fail.
I think this movie would’ve been so cool if we were lead to believe that the MC was not the killer, and see small things that lead to large chaos like the fact it’s a stadium. Would’ve been so cool to see the audience go in a panic once realize what’s happening, state of looking for the killer while the real one starts causing panic by killing some. Kind of like witch hunts, it would’ve been fun and refreshing. Idk if this makes sense
Like a cool wolf in sheep’s clothing, something fun. With an actual state of panic. Would’ve been sooo coool
He definitely does have some low “lows”. But honestly The Village was awesome. Had no idea what was coming.
I think the best thing he can do now is remove his name from his next film. Going in completely blind is the best way to enjoy his movies.
Same could be said of 10 Cloverfield Ln
M. Night should make a premise with Tarantino making dialogue and tension with R. Scotts atmosphere
So it sounds like M. Night was trying to make the Van Damme movie in the Hockey Rink 🤔
Cant recall the title
Sudden Death
@retrojoeuk you're a legend
Threat Level Midnight.
Darude - Sandstorm
Beat me to it 😢 @@davek7706
Man, you stuck the landing on this video, with the review kid. Nicely produced and thought out piece.
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It watches like an attempt to make his daughter's music career take off. I was disappointed because Hartnett's performance seems a bit wasted.
The way they talk during the promotion for this movie, you'd think "Mr. Brooks", was never made. If you haven't seen that movie, it's this primise but done right, and it's great.