I'll never understand how these games aren't more popular. If there's a series I wish they'd remake or at least rerelease it's these. They are some of my greatest memories.
Unfortunately, I think it might have had to do with releasing so late on the GBC. Because imo they're much better as a whole than LA. Nintendo, for some reason, really doesn't want to acknowledge the Capcom games, but I've wanted these remade for going on a decade.
@@SilentscufflE well mabby there are some legal reasons as to why they can't remake these games because capcom also made the game and therefor have some legal rights over it
Back in the day I was a kid and parents didn't have money to afford a GBC. It was until GBA SP that I was able to buy and play these games. Loved the story on both and the ability to make better items by transferring your progress from one game to another.
Too many people saw Capcom and not Nintendo and figured " not my zelda". Unfortunately that's ignorant, but one day those people will pick it up and realize just how damn wrong they were. If it shows up on NSO one day and it gets millions of plays then it might have a shot.
You mean the “inferior 3D graphics + art style & keeping the censorship and also applying it to the JP version this time” treatment? No thanks. (Though I guess there’s probably nothing to censor here, so if they stop being lazy and make it look like ALBW or something I’d be down)
@@Hollow_Tim well ya, please god don't use the same art style 😂 if anything just make it look like seasons and ages already looked, just really good with high bit rates 🙏 I mean .. fricken companies never do that but it would be a dream come true
"Pretty sure Din woke something inside of me" Lmfao I felt that. Good content as always, top notch production and your insights and perspectives on the LoZ series are always so unique and interesting.
Funny story about Oracle of Ages, considering one of the main NPCs is named Ralph, and that is also my legal name. So imagine being me at the ripe age of 8, naming my character as "Ralph" only to be have all scenes with the NPC becoming obnoxiously difficult to understand which Ralph they're referring to.
Happened with me on Mario Tennis Power Tour, one of the students had the same name as my male character so it got really confusing. On following playthroughs, i just stuck to the default name, Clay
Should the Oracle games get a remake, I'm hoping it gets an artsyle that' different from the Link's Awakening remake to help further its own identity. And because LA/Koholint Island's setting better fit the twist associated with it.
Link Between Worlds’ style would fit it just fine-and some of the models and textures from LBW were reused for LAswitch (like those mushrooms.) So, lynels can be brought over from LBW, moblins from LA, NPCs in LBA’s style
21:09 "Eagle's Tower focuses on knocking down 4 pillars in the center, so you can ascend to the upper floors." I think that description is selling the dungeon a bit short. The cool part is that once you break the pillars, the entire upper half of the dungeon crashes down into the lower half, replacing a huge chunk of one floor with another floor. That's what always stood out to me about it.
Considering this dude's entire dungeon segment was 16dungeons is alot. Its a lot of work. They ran out of ideas. And doesnt bring up the best dungeon in ages (mermaids cave) I HEAVILY dislike how he covered the dungeons
@@DIsturbios1234I mean, I do understand where he’s coming from though. Out of these 16 dungeons, only 4 are actually great, the others are just okay, mechanically interesting, but too similar to be unique in their own ways.
Unfortunately, they haven't been officially sanctioned by Nintendo, lol. The only artwork depicting them that way are in Capcom games and media. They released a huge spread of Zelda characters and they depicted the goddesses as shadowed figures.
@@SilentscufflE Farore was sanctioned as working the link cable toll booth instead of a third game. She seems to be smiling, but we all know that the real face just under that smile is one of sad. Truly, deepest farore.
@@firebirdstark Originally there was a third one planned but was scrapped due to time limitations. I also find the artstyle of the LA remake perfect for those games.
@@FelixS. I think that chibi artstyle was supposed to respresent his dream, along with the macro effect around the screen giving everything a toy-like appearance. Before he sleeps and when he wakes up, everything looks anime and the music is more orchestral sounding. So I don't think it would make sense to reuse that games artstyle again for Oracle remakes.
@@Jack_MxM I have a different opinion. The original GB also used anime artstyle in the beginning and the end as well as the snes iteration (in the booklet at least).The game graphics were due to technical limitations though and the style they chose for the LA remake is a mere callback to those graphics but with a twist. I don’t think it is supposed to represent anything lore wise it is just an artistic way to transfer LA into a truthful modern interpretation.
These games got me into the Zelda series when I was in third grade. But Not because of the games themselves. If anyone remembers scholastic book fairs, there was one year sometime around 2002-2003 where they sold an Oracle of Ages and Seasons choose your own adventure book (I swear I'm the only one who had these because I've NEVER seen them mentioned on the internet). I thought the main character's name was Zelda and was obsessed with getting those books. They worked as a guide as well, even had a page dedicated to the trading quest going through what Link traded to who. I did eventually get to borrow one of the games from my friend but never actually beat it. But I've been a huge Zelda fan since
I got this during the book fair as well! I was obsessed and then it got water damage and was ruined but was able to find another copy online recently and it sits on my bookshelf now, love it!
Debra Mcbride, Craig Wessel, Tim Bogenn, the official Nintendo Power guide, that's just a few I found. The Craig Wessel one sounded the closest. I'm sure you've already found those and they're not it, but I did my best for you
I never found any "creative fatigue" in Oracle of Ages. In fact, the dungeons in ages seem much, much better than those in Seasons. Many puzzles were just brilliant. In seasons everything was "kill stuff to open door, repeat". I am exaggerating but not by a lot.
I think that was deliberate, actually. Oracle of Seasons emphasized combat while Ages focused on puzzles. Considering Din in Seasons is named after the Goddess of Power and Nayru, the Goddess of Wisdom, it makes sense.
@@chazon1780 Absolutely. I like oracles of seasons, it's fun in its own way. But I think the guy said that ages had creative problems in dungeons and to me that's an absolute "wtf" that forces me to question the entire video. Because it's sooo wrong to me, that if he got that sooo wrong, what else could he get wrong?
@@Alfonso88279 "what else could he get wrong?" the part about music. Highly subjective obviously, but that's not how it was portrayed in the video. The weirdness in the soundtrack is all the more consuming and, while not necessarily expressing the same feelings something like "Lavender Town", presses all the same buttons.
@@TooAwesomeToDie7331 That part about the music baffled me too. The thing is, he talks about it as if it was a fact, when it's more his taste. I love this kind of reviews when they differentiate between what it is and what they feel about it. I am not sure he makes a good work at that. And that's pretty much the point for me, the interest, that's what I respect the most about this genre of videos. If you state how something makes you feel, that's great, interesting, cool. When you put that as the Truth, then I'll probably have a problem with you sooner or later. The game is not perfect by a lot, but his criticism didn't touch most of the real problems the games have, that's all.
@@Alfonso88279 the biggest problems i find with oracles are the rng from the rings and the test your luck rooms, pacing issues in the overworld where mini-games are mandatory, fail based stealth missions, and unnecessary plot barriers, especially in seasons which is more about exploration. also, one trend capcom does with all of the games they worked on is the lack of i-frames when taking damage from enemies.
But if they get remade should they get the fabled third game? Perhaps that would be the bonus for owning and completing both? Instead of Twinrova and Ganon being an epilogue it could open up a few more dungeons in a new shared region that uses the gimmick of each title in different ways?
But if they get remade should they get the fabled third game? Perhaps that would be the bonus for owning and completing both? Instead of Twinrova and Ganon being an epilogue it could open up a few more dungeons in a new shared region that uses the gimmick of each title in different ways?
@@zeroattentiongaming820 nah the dungeons and characters from the third game was put in seasons and ages so the third game would be a bad rehash and many will complain with the lack of the important ganon and twinrova epilogue
Those games hold so much mistery and magic to me. When playing 2D games like these ones, there's so much left to the imagination. Tarm Ruins and it's song are forever carved in my memory. Thanks for talking about this games.
I've only just finally got around to the 2D Zeldas, as a kid I played a tiny bit of Minish Cap, but i was a dumb kid and was like "no ocarina is better", but fucking hell Link's Awakening and the Oracle games are so good
I wish they would do a remake for Ages and Seasons in the Link's Awakening Remake format (or something close to it), also wish they add the 3rd Oracle game as a part of the Remake. It would be crazy!
@@MrOuenben Had it been finished, the originally proposed idea was for the Courage game to be pretty mucha direct remake of the Original LoZ for NES with the director’s design philosophy, and would have focused on exploration and narrative the way Seasons/Power focused on combat and execution challenges and Ages/Wisdom focused on mindbending puzzles. But they figured out pretty early that creating a password system that worked to link 3 games would have been a logistical nightmare on the Gameboy Color, and since that was kinda the entire point, they just took some of the ideas they had for that third game and shuffled them into Seasons and Ages. Happened early enough in development that if they wanted to complete the trilogy now, they’d need to just make a new game from scratch in the same engine they used for remaking the others…which I’d love to see.
I... can't agree regarding dungeon design. Honestly, did we play the same games? It's like you looked at it and came to the exact opposite conclusion. Oracle of Ages' dungeons are complicated and fucking rad, they remind me of Majora's Mask. Absolutely incredible designs, where you'd mess with the whole dungeons and affect things within it. Like, they unarguably have themes and unique identities in them, it's kind of why they're so beloved among those who have played them... Edit: Like the dungeon you have to deal with in the past AND present to complete both halves. Or the dungeon where you have to manipulate four different crystals to move between the different floors of sand. Or the one where it's the four elements, and you have to beat each elemental trial to get the necessary keys to proceed to the final areas. Or a DUPLICATE VERSION OF THE WATER DUNGEON where you have to raise and lower the jabu jabu's water levels! Or the one where you have to cool certain areas of lava to get around, and switch-hook things onto certain places.
I know right? It's almost as if he hates them solely for not being "focused mostly on combat" like the dungeons in Seasons were. Seriously, the most complex puzzles you ever needed to think about in Seasons were just platforming challenges the rest were either one room wonders or "enter room, kill all enemies, rinse and repeat", which implies significantly more "creative fatigue" than the devious brilliance that was the puzzles in Ages' dungeons.
"what little outspoken fans the Oracle games have are passionate, if you can find one" That's me, I'm the outspoken Oracle fan. Combined, these are probably my favorite Zelda game. They're the only Zelda game I've done a randomizer for
"Why would you want to take notes while you're playing a video game" Me: -glancing over at a stack of notebooks each having the name of a single game draped across the front- 😅
You're my favorite youtuber. I wish you breakthrough success because you deserve it, dude. Your DKC music video is the best thing I've watched in YEARS on this site.
I sincerely don't know how Oracle of Seasons and Ages aren't more popular. Vastly available through emulation, amazing game design, a lot of content, being a Zelda game... I love this, played 100% of both games (with all rings) in the 3DS Virtual Console. I recommend they to every Zelda fan I know. Thank you for the amazing video!
These were my first video games way back when I played on my mom’s save file because I was all of 4 or 5 at the time. I will forever love Din and Nayru from these games and when I think of the song of storms I always think of that man next to the windmill. I’m so happy to find somebody talking about games so important to me.
It was the Summer of 2002 and my best friend had Oracle of Ages and I had Oracle of Seasons. I watched him play, and he watched me play, and then we linked the games. I later on played the other Oracle game myself. This summer is still on my mind. I remember it vividly.
These and Wind Waker... I straight up love and adore. I'm glad more people like Wind Waker these days but Ages and Seasons I constantly talk about how good they are 😸 and seriously I meet next to nobody who have actually played them.
The Tarm Ruins... I remember being 10 and wondering what was behind those gates, and after beating the game I would go back there and wander around aimlessly listening to the music. You totally got me with your love letter to the Ruins. Thanks for making this video and showcasing them to the world.
I loved these games. They were a lot of fun and memorable. Oracle of seasons i liked the most. The seasons and the Subrosians were awesome. Oracle of ages was amazing, but I always got stuck on the Goron ridge like the NPCs weren't responding to anything. I thought it was a glitch, but also I could've done something wrong too
I think you're the only channel I subscribe to that I don't have to watch on 1.25x speed. Thank you for not wasting our time. When you make a 1.5hr video, it's all content and no fluff.
I'm really glad that someone is going through all these games making really good videos, I played every Zelda game last year, and it's hard to find people who have played some of the more "obscure" ones to hear opinions on.
I'm glad I found this channel. I love your utter passion for games, and not just appreciating the big things... but really just finding joy in every aspect of a game you possibly can. Even with something like Sonic R.
Fun fact, I was watching this late at night and ended up falling asleep at some point, but that Crown Dungeon music at 23:58 JOLTED me awake. That freaking music, I remember always muting the game everytime I replayed Ages in my youth. At least dungeons 4 and 6 had great music. I still love the Oracle games, they're peak 2D Zelda fun imo
Beautiful custom thumbnail art on this one man. I'd love to hear you talk more about the Zelda Manga! Oracle of ages and the 4 swords books are definitely my favorite of the bunch.
I have barely given these games any thought at all since I played them as a kid in the early 00's. Watching this footage, I'm shocked how much of it I somehow still remember and how positive these memories are.
On the topic of music, I actually use the credits and staff roll song from ages as my morning alarm sometimes. Because if hire obnoxiously Loud it is, it essentially scares me awake
The Oracle games hold a hefty dose of nostalgia in my book. Seasons had the best dungeons and bosses whereas Ages had the best story and characters. We can only hope that Nintendo and Grezzo are remaking them on Switch as we speak right now
I say this in the best way possible; this video works SO well at 1.25× speed! Actually, even 2× speed is pretty valid here, and I don't say this in insult either, it truly takes a good sense of verbal delivery and the subject at hand to still be understandable or enhanced by faster speeds. Also good video btw
Rebecca Tripp is an amazing musician. It's cool to see you using her music. 2 artists collabing in any way is nice to see. And I love the oracle games. I really enjoy all the gameboy zelda games.
These are forever some of my favorite games of all time. Some soundtracks suck, but there's quite a few I really liked. There's _so much_ packed into each cartridge, I'm glad to see so many others appreciating them.
There are actually 18 dungeons because of the Hero's Cave and it's alternate forms, depending on which game you play. Also I disagree with what you say about the dungeon design and music, but it might be difficult for you to understand their quality if you didn't play the games until years later.
My favorite Zelda games of all time and my introduction to the series. I dabbled with link’s awakening but oracle of seasons made me fall inlove with the series. Imagine my surprise when I find out that the game that made me fall inlove with Zelda again BOTW was directed by the man who made my childhood great with seasons. Tysm for this
I got the games mostly because I had almost all the other Zeldas and thought 'What the heck, they're on Virtual Console'. Very glad I made that choice, they're now some of my favourites.
another excellent retrospective, and definitely the best ive ever seen someone articulate what really makes these games feel different from links awakening. ive played through all three multiple times but had never really been able to put my finger on just how much more demanding the oracle games are on your memory/spatial aptitude...they really are special in how much closer they get to the original zelda, especially compared to every other handheld game in the series
Glad someone actually point out the beauty of thos two games..its the only memory i have that i once had a close and fun relationship with my father..depending of who of us two was free to play either him or me enjoyed that games..and OoA was my birthday present as a kid..and he gave it to me 1day b4 couse he had to leave early on my bday so he wont see me..and he had to admit he alrdy started playing it …oh boy thats so long ago i sadly never touched the games ever since i finished them in my childhood…(bought both on my 3DS tho) PS: as odd as the soundtrack is sometimes i still love listen to them all while painting
It's amazing to me that more people don't know about these games - they were so good! + the items you got from linking the games together were all pretty cool and felt like real rewards for going to all the trouble.
The music was by Kyoko Nakamura and Minako Adachi of Kiyohiro Sada's group Pure Sound. Sada worked on many Konami and Natsume games like Top Gun, Abadox, and S.C.A.T. Adachi worked on many popular series, most notable the Summon Knight games. Sada also told me there was no MIDI on the Game Boy; all the music and sound effects had to be coded by hand in binary code.
I'm normally a big puzzles guy, but I loved Seasons' overworld so much; the whole thing was like a puzzle. The boss fights were much more fun, too. Ages was great on GBC, and I think I might've played it twice, but I honestly enjoyed Seasons even more. They're both great, of course, and I'd love to see a Switch remake using assets from the Link's Awakening version.
I am in love with these games. Some of the best top down Zelda’s. Truly underrated and I hope they get a remake or at least go on Nintendo Switch online
These games are hands down my favorite Zelda titles. I would beat them every summer, sometimes again and again, since the linked quest can continue on to the Triforce quest. Did you know there's not one, but at least two references to these games in Undertale? There's a chasm a blue chicken takes you across very strenuously, and a table with "A powerful-looking bracelet" on it, before revealing "Oh, it's just a croissant." There's a reason these games are so beloved by its fans, and it's no coincidence that BOTW is such a hit with its director coming from them. It's only a shame that Nintendo doesn't give them any recognition.
My brother just happened to buy both games at the same time that I bought my Gameboy Advance SP, and I couldn’t believe how fun and wonderful both games were! I’ve played the shit out of them, probably 10 times through by now and they still hold up! I even got into pixel art because one of my classes was so boring that I downloaded MS Paint and re-colored a bunch of sprites from both games, so thank you for doing a video on these hidden gems, they’re my favorite games of all time!
In my opinion, _A Link to the Past_ has the best dual-world mechanic in the Zelda series... and _Oracle of Ages_ implements it even better than ALttP did.
When my family had to move cross country, i had pokemon gold and oracle of seasons that i played nonstop. Has a special place in my heart cus of that. Thanks for this trip down memory lane 😄
I'll never understand how these games aren't more popular. If there's a series I wish they'd remake or at least rerelease it's these. They are some of my greatest memories.
Unfortunately, I think it might have had to do with releasing so late on the GBC. Because imo they're much better as a whole than LA. Nintendo, for some reason, really doesn't want to acknowledge the Capcom games, but I've wanted these remade for going on a decade.
@@SilentscufflE well mabby there are some legal reasons as to why they can't remake these games because capcom also made the game and therefor have some legal rights over it
Pretty sure these are on virtual console for 3ds/ds
Back in the day I was a kid and parents didn't have money to afford a GBC. It was until GBA SP that I was able to buy and play these games. Loved the story on both and the ability to make better items by transferring your progress from one game to another.
Too many people saw Capcom and not Nintendo and figured " not my zelda". Unfortunately that's ignorant, but one day those people will pick it up and realize just how damn wrong they were.
If it shows up on NSO one day and it gets millions of plays then it might have a shot.
The Oracle Games really are something special, too many people sleep on them.
A huevo valedores a huevo. Es un bacilon de mamey ponte bien vertas porque es un BACILON de cristal pinches valedores pinches carnales
liam’s awakening
Ya know, I'm assuming he thought that panel was hot, but I'm not very good at subtext
@@sevrothegoblin5212 morning r
Din up in here giving me incentive to start a new play thru😎
I love this comment
The Legend of Liam
Hey, thanks so much for giving these wonderful, nostalgic treasures the attention they deserve!
Love your remixes and original ttracks!
Oh hey whats up
@@WillRock07 Hey, Will!
Thanks for your OCRemix contributions through the years. Same with WIllRock in here, geez... you guys are basically celebrities to me!
@@ArnieMcStranglehold Well, shucks! ^^ Consider yourself part of the crowd!
I hope the Oracle games get the Link's Awakening treatment for the Switch.
They really need this
@@turtleanton6539 y e s
Yea and they should go and contract Capcom to make the final Third game we never got !
You mean the “inferior 3D graphics + art style & keeping the censorship and also applying it to the JP version this time” treatment? No thanks.
(Though I guess there’s probably nothing to censor here, so if they stop being lazy and make it look like ALBW or something I’d be down)
@@Hollow_Tim well ya, please god don't use the same art style 😂 if anything just make it look like seasons and ages already looked, just really good with high bit rates 🙏 I mean .. fricken companies never do that but it would be a dream come true
"Pretty sure Din woke something inside of me"
Lmfao I felt that. Good content as always, top notch production and your insights and perspectives on the LoZ series are always so unique and interesting.
Same. She was my first crush. Powerful, powerful stuff!
I was a Nayru simp, myself.
Why not both? It’s all in the same package. 🤣
May be why I like redheads so much now! lol
I love stroking my tool over din
Funny story about Oracle of Ages, considering one of the main NPCs is named Ralph, and that is also my legal name.
So imagine being me at the ripe age of 8, naming my character as "Ralph" only to be have all scenes with the NPC becoming obnoxiously difficult to understand which Ralph they're referring to.
Certified Ralph moment
Funny enough. Ralph my favorite character in both games.
Happened with me on Mario Tennis Power Tour, one of the students had the same name as my male character so it got really confusing. On following playthroughs, i just stuck to the default name, Clay
I’M GONNA WRECK IT!!
Okay, comment of shame, everyone knows you have to name your character Link it is a law.
Should the Oracle games get a remake, I'm hoping it gets an artsyle that' different from the Link's Awakening remake to help further its own identity. And because LA/Koholint Island's setting better fit the twist associated with it.
Link Between Worlds’ style would fit it just fine-and some of the models and textures from LBW were reused for LAswitch (like those mushrooms.) So, lynels can be brought over from LBW, moblins from LA, NPCs in LBA’s style
I think thar for oracle of Ages two styles for the past and present would be perfect.
Past: 2D Hd like octopath traveler
Present: A link betwen worlds
@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 while that would be amazing, it would also be super cost ineffective. At least I'm assuming it would be.
@@anonymousfellow8879 That would be pretty nice, and to give Ganon some justice for the little screen time he had merging with Yuga in ALBW.
21:09 "Eagle's Tower focuses on knocking down 4 pillars in the center, so you can ascend to the upper floors."
I think that description is selling the dungeon a bit short. The cool part is that once you break the pillars, the entire upper half of the dungeon crashes down into the lower half, replacing a huge chunk of one floor with another floor. That's what always stood out to me about it.
Considering this dude's entire dungeon segment was 16dungeons is alot. Its a lot of work. They ran out of ideas.
And doesnt bring up the best dungeon in ages (mermaids cave) I HEAVILY dislike how he covered the dungeons
@@DIsturbios1234I mean, I do understand where he’s coming from though. Out of these 16 dungeons, only 4 are actually great, the others are just okay, mechanically interesting, but too similar to be unique in their own ways.
Oh boy he’s going to talk about my favourite 2d Zelda (ages btw)
Same
Also my 2nd fav!
Same except Seasons
Na. Either way you try to divy the blessings a remake wont do the (Game) any Justice Just the Porn references
Dude ages IS my favorite zelda..
The game where Nintendo successfully made Din Nayru and Farore official waifu material
Unfortunately, they haven't been officially sanctioned by Nintendo, lol. The only artwork depicting them that way are in Capcom games and media. They released a huge spread of Zelda characters and they depicted the goddesses as shadowed figures.
@@SilentscufflE they are sanctioned in my heart
@@Osafune2 same
@@SilentscufflE Farore was sanctioned as working the link cable toll booth instead of a third game. She seems to be smiling, but we all know that the real face just under that smile is one of sad. Truly, deepest farore.
@@SilentscufflE they have spirits in snash
They need to remake them with the link's awakening remake engine, they can change the art and still use the engine
Make them a 2-in-1 and maybe compete the third one for a 3-in-1
@@firebirdstark Originally there was a third one planned but was scrapped due to time limitations.
I also find the artstyle of the LA remake perfect for those games.
@@firebirdstark Only if Nintendo wants to print money.
@@FelixS. I think that chibi artstyle was supposed to respresent his dream, along with the macro effect around the screen giving everything a toy-like appearance. Before he sleeps and when he wakes up, everything looks anime and the music is more orchestral sounding. So I don't think it would make sense to reuse that games artstyle again for Oracle remakes.
@@Jack_MxM I have a different opinion. The original GB also used anime artstyle in the beginning and the end as well as the snes iteration (in the booklet at least).The game graphics were due to technical limitations though and the style they chose for the LA remake is a mere callback to those graphics but with a twist. I don’t think it is supposed to represent anything lore wise it is just an artistic way to transfer LA into a truthful modern interpretation.
These games got me into the Zelda series when I was in third grade.
But
Not because of the games themselves. If anyone remembers scholastic book fairs, there was one year sometime around 2002-2003 where they sold an Oracle of Ages and Seasons choose your own adventure book (I swear I'm the only one who had these because I've NEVER seen them mentioned on the internet). I thought the main character's name was Zelda and was obsessed with getting those books. They worked as a guide as well, even had a page dedicated to the trading quest going through what Link traded to who. I did eventually get to borrow one of the games from my friend but never actually beat it. But I've been a huge Zelda fan since
Completely remember that. I had the Seasons one too. Picked it up from some form of second hand book shop. Got me way into Zelda from that point.
I got this during the book fair as well! I was obsessed and then it got water damage and was ruined but was able to find another copy online recently and it sits on my bookshelf now, love it!
I had the Seasons book. Weirdly enough, I think I got it at a book fair, too.
Debra Mcbride, Craig Wessel, Tim Bogenn, the official Nintendo Power guide, that's just a few I found. The Craig Wessel one sounded the closest.
I'm sure you've already found those and they're not it, but I did my best for you
I never found any "creative fatigue" in Oracle of Ages. In fact, the dungeons in ages seem much, much better than those in Seasons. Many puzzles were just brilliant. In seasons everything was "kill stuff to open door, repeat". I am exaggerating but not by a lot.
I think that was deliberate, actually. Oracle of Seasons emphasized combat while Ages focused on puzzles. Considering Din in Seasons is named after the Goddess of Power and Nayru, the Goddess of Wisdom, it makes sense.
@@chazon1780 Absolutely. I like oracles of seasons, it's fun in its own way. But I think the guy said that ages had creative problems in dungeons and to me that's an absolute "wtf" that forces me to question the entire video.
Because it's sooo wrong to me, that if he got that sooo wrong, what else could he get wrong?
@@Alfonso88279 "what else could he get wrong?" the part about music. Highly subjective obviously, but that's not how it was portrayed in the video. The weirdness in the soundtrack is all the more consuming and, while not necessarily expressing the same feelings something like "Lavender Town", presses all the same buttons.
@@TooAwesomeToDie7331 That part about the music baffled me too. The thing is, he talks about it as if it was a fact, when it's more his taste. I love this kind of reviews when they differentiate between what it is and what they feel about it. I am not sure he makes a good work at that.
And that's pretty much the point for me, the interest, that's what I respect the most about this genre of videos. If you state how something makes you feel, that's great, interesting, cool. When you put that as the Truth, then I'll probably have a problem with you sooner or later.
The game is not perfect by a lot, but his criticism didn't touch most of the real problems the games have, that's all.
@@Alfonso88279 the biggest problems i find with oracles are the rng from the rings and the test your luck rooms, pacing issues in the overworld where mini-games are mandatory, fail based stealth missions, and unnecessary plot barriers, especially in seasons which is more about exploration. also, one trend capcom does with all of the games they worked on is the lack of i-frames when taking damage from enemies.
My favorite games in the franchise. The oracle games need to be remade.
But if they get remade should they get the fabled third game? Perhaps that would be the bonus for owning and completing both? Instead of Twinrova and Ganon being an epilogue it could open up a few more dungeons in a new shared region that uses the gimmick of each title in different ways?
But if they get remade should they get the fabled third game? Perhaps that would be the bonus for owning and completing both? Instead of Twinrova and Ganon being an epilogue it could open up a few more dungeons in a new shared region that uses the gimmick of each title in different ways?
Id prefer to remake them in modern 2d artstyle just like minish cap but much better instead of what theyve done to links awakening.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 nah the dungeons and characters from the third game was put in seasons and ages so the third game would be a bad rehash and many will complain with the lack of the important ganon and twinrova epilogue
Those games hold so much mistery and magic to me. When playing 2D games like these ones, there's so much left to the imagination. Tarm Ruins and it's song are forever carved in my memory. Thanks for talking about this games.
I've only just finally got around to the 2D Zeldas, as a kid I played a tiny bit of Minish Cap, but i was a dumb kid and was like "no ocarina is better", but fucking hell Link's Awakening and the Oracle games are so good
Ocarina is better but these games are great
@@turtleanton6539 ROFL
@@ondore its not 2008 anymore bro no one says rofl
And now we have them on the switch!!! I'm so excited to play them, I never got around to it on my DS but I want to try to finish them on my switch now
I wish they would do a remake for Ages and Seasons in the Link's Awakening Remake format (or something close to it), also wish they add the 3rd Oracle game as a part of the Remake.
It would be crazy!
What? There was a third zelda oracle game? What's it called
@@Humble-iq5ue It got cancelled during development. The trio were meant to be called Mystical seed of power/courage/wisdom based on the triforce.
@@MrOuenben Had it been finished, the originally proposed idea was for the Courage game to be pretty mucha direct remake of the Original LoZ for NES with the director’s design philosophy, and would have focused on exploration and narrative the way Seasons/Power focused on combat and execution challenges and Ages/Wisdom focused on mindbending puzzles. But they figured out pretty early that creating a password system that worked to link 3 games would have been a logistical nightmare on the Gameboy Color, and since that was kinda the entire point, they just took some of the ideas they had for that third game and shuffled them into Seasons and Ages. Happened early enough in development that if they wanted to complete the trilogy now, they’d need to just make a new game from scratch in the same engine they used for remaking the others…which I’d love to see.
Tarm Ruins is easily the best thing in Seasons, and I always loved its music and cozy vibes.
I... can't agree regarding dungeon design. Honestly, did we play the same games? It's like you looked at it and came to the exact opposite conclusion.
Oracle of Ages' dungeons are complicated and fucking rad, they remind me of Majora's Mask. Absolutely incredible designs, where you'd mess with the whole dungeons and affect things within it. Like, they unarguably have themes and unique identities in them, it's kind of why they're so beloved among those who have played them...
Edit: Like the dungeon you have to deal with in the past AND present to complete both halves.
Or the dungeon where you have to manipulate four different crystals to move between the different floors of sand.
Or the one where it's the four elements, and you have to beat each elemental trial to get the necessary keys to proceed to the final areas.
Or a DUPLICATE VERSION OF THE WATER DUNGEON where you have to raise and lower the jabu jabu's water levels!
Or the one where you have to cool certain areas of lava to get around, and switch-hook things onto certain places.
I know right? It's almost as if he hates them solely for not being "focused mostly on combat" like the dungeons in Seasons were.
Seriously, the most complex puzzles you ever needed to think about in Seasons were just platforming challenges the rest were either one room wonders or "enter room, kill all enemies, rinse and repeat", which implies significantly more "creative fatigue" than the devious brilliance that was the puzzles in Ages' dungeons.
Which one is the one with the four elements?
I love this duology SO much. The rings were one of my fav items. Also, I prefer Ages over Seasons. Nayru best Goddess
Minish Cap and the Oracle games have forever been tied for my all time favorites in the TLOZ series.
"what little outspoken fans the Oracle games have are passionate, if you can find one"
That's me, I'm the outspoken Oracle fan. Combined, these are probably my favorite Zelda game. They're the only Zelda game I've done a randomizer for
Okay, but Din was top tier waifu. 10 year old me was all kinds of yes about that character. I had a massive crush.
These are two of my absolute favorites
"Why would you want to take notes while you're playing a video game"
Me: -glancing over at a stack of notebooks each having the name of a single game draped across the front- 😅
These games (along with links awakening and the minsh cap) are my favorite zelda games. Thank you for covering this awesome duo!
You're my favorite youtuber. I wish you breakthrough success because you deserve it, dude. Your DKC music video is the best thing I've watched in YEARS on this site.
Thank you :)
No problem dude. I’m glad vinny introduced me to ya.
@@LiamTriforce you're awesome!
Oracle of Seasons was the game that introduced me to the Legend of Zelda franchise. Naturally, it wasn't long before I got Oracle of Ages as well.
Same
I sincerely don't know how Oracle of Seasons and Ages aren't more popular. Vastly available through emulation, amazing game design, a lot of content, being a Zelda game... I love this, played 100% of both games (with all rings) in the 3DS Virtual Console. I recommend they to every Zelda fan I know. Thank you for the amazing video!
Yep, I'm glad I snagged them off the e-shop just before it closed.
These were my first video games way back when I played on my mom’s save file because I was all of 4 or 5 at the time. I will forever love Din and Nayru from these games and when I think of the song of storms I always think of that man next to the windmill. I’m so happy to find somebody talking about games so important to me.
Both these games are easily A tier Zelda games, idk why they aren’t acknowledged more by fans
It was the Summer of 2002 and my best friend had Oracle of Ages and I had Oracle of Seasons. I watched him play, and he watched me play, and then we linked the games. I later on played the other Oracle game myself. This summer is still on my mind. I remember it vividly.
So excited to see this video! First time stumbling onto the channel, but Oracle of Ages is my favourite Zelda game, and it's so underappreciated!
I fell in love with both of these as a kid. They really need to be remastered. They're straight up gems.
Worth every penny as a kid and as an adult on my DS. These were my 1st intro into anything Zelda
Can we talk about how fine Din is in that thumbnail though? Oh my goodness
These and Wind Waker... I straight up love and adore. I'm glad more people like Wind Waker these days but Ages and Seasons I constantly talk about how good they are 😸 and seriously I meet next to nobody who have actually played them.
The greatest legend of zelda game of all time. Love these games.
The Tarm Ruins... I remember being 10 and wondering what was behind those gates, and after beating the game I would go back there and wander around aimlessly listening to the music. You totally got me with your love letter to the Ruins. Thanks for making this video and showcasing them to the world.
I loved these games. They were a lot of fun and memorable. Oracle of seasons i liked the most. The seasons and the Subrosians were awesome. Oracle of ages was amazing, but I always got stuck on the Goron ridge like the NPCs weren't responding to anything. I thought it was a glitch, but also I could've done something wrong too
I loved the Oracle games. They are some of my favorite 2D Zelda’s along side Link to the Past/Between Worlds
I think you're the only channel I subscribe to that I don't have to watch on 1.25x speed. Thank you for not wasting our time. When you make a 1.5hr video, it's all content and no fluff.
My favorite Zelda games! Thanks for covering!
Depending on how much I enjoy Link's Awakening, I'm probably going to be checking these out.
I'm really glad that someone is going through all these games making really good videos, I played every Zelda game last year, and it's hard to find people who have played some of the more "obscure" ones to hear opinions on.
Didn’t even wait to like this video 😂 seasons will always have a place in my nostalgic heart 😎
For me too Omni!
I'm glad I found this channel. I love your utter passion for games, and not just appreciating the big things... but really just finding joy in every aspect of a game you possibly can. Even with something like Sonic R.
I want remakes of these two games, plus a new third one, pitch name Oracle of Elements.
I want the third planned game
Oracle of Ages if my favorite 2D Zelda game. Loved the dungeons, and I thought it was the only Zelda game without pacing issues.
I like the Oracle games. I got Ages while my cousin got Seasons. I hope that they do the Link's Awakening Switch treatment on them.
this was such a beautiful video. you sound so joyous and happy talking about it and thats just so dang tremendous. great vid, great music.
Fun fact, I was watching this late at night and ended up falling asleep at some point, but that Crown Dungeon music at 23:58 JOLTED me awake. That freaking music, I remember always muting the game everytime I replayed Ages in my youth. At least dungeons 4 and 6 had great music.
I still love the Oracle games, they're peak 2D Zelda fun imo
Absolutely definitely underrated and never brought up or discussed in any videos or podcasts that talk about either the timelines or characters
Oh my gosh. These are my favorite handheld Zelda games. Thank you for covering this. I'm glad to have found your channel!
Thank you for talking about this
Beautiful custom thumbnail art on this one man. I'd love to hear you talk more about the Zelda Manga! Oracle of ages and the 4 swords books are definitely my favorite of the bunch.
You're one of my favorite content creators. The hard work doesn't go unnoticed and I thought I'd send some positivity your way! ✊
I have barely given these games any thought at all since I played them as a kid in the early 00's. Watching this footage, I'm shocked how much of it I somehow still remember and how positive these memories are.
On the topic of music, I actually use the credits and staff roll song from ages as my morning alarm sometimes. Because if hire obnoxiously Loud it is, it essentially scares me awake
i've played zelda games left and right, every one of them at least once
but the oracle games are the zelda games i always come back to.
These two Zelda games are my favorite Zelda adventure! I love the upgraded weapons you can get after linking the game from one to another!!
The Oracle games hold a hefty dose of nostalgia in my book. Seasons had the best dungeons and bosses whereas Ages had the best story and characters. We can only hope that Nintendo and Grezzo are remaking them on Switch as we speak right now
Would that be a dream?
I think they should remake them to be more like Link between worlds
I say this in the best way possible; this video works SO well at 1.25× speed! Actually, even 2× speed is pretty valid here, and I don't say this in insult either, it truly takes a good sense of verbal delivery and the subject at hand to still be understandable or enhanced by faster speeds. Also good video btw
precisely the fresh zelda content i needed! thanks liam
Rebecca Tripp is an amazing musician. It's cool to see you using her music. 2 artists collabing in any way is nice to see. And I love the oracle games. I really enjoy all the gameboy zelda games.
These are forever some of my favorite games of all time. Some soundtracks suck, but there's quite a few I really liked.
There's _so much_ packed into each cartridge, I'm glad to see so many others appreciating them.
There are actually 18 dungeons because of the Hero's Cave and it's alternate forms, depending on which game you play.
Also I disagree with what you say about the dungeon design and music, but it might be difficult for you to understand their quality if you didn't play the games until years later.
Even though I never played the Oracle games I still found this video very informative. Might want to play them. Great video, Liam
To be honest the music and sounds effects grew on me, I genuinely love this games
man im late but still insanely excited! love to see a new liam vid :)
These were my very first Zelda Games and will always hold my heart for my absolute favorite Legend of Zelda games with Links Awakening right after
always a treat to see a new liam triforce video to help me get through the work day
I loved these as a kid. My mom had the strategy guide which was a cool 2 in 1. It was ages on one side and you'd flip it over for seasons, so cool.
I feel that these 2 games will be really good when they are finally remade.
My favorite Zelda games of all time and my introduction to the series. I dabbled with link’s awakening but oracle of seasons made me fall inlove with the series. Imagine my surprise when I find out that the game that made me fall inlove with Zelda again BOTW was directed by the man who made my childhood great with seasons. Tysm for this
I got the games mostly because I had almost all the other Zeldas and thought 'What the heck, they're on Virtual Console'. Very glad I made that choice, they're now some of my favourites.
another excellent retrospective, and definitely the best ive ever seen someone articulate what really makes these games feel different from links awakening. ive played through all three multiple times but had never really been able to put my finger on just how much more demanding the oracle games are on your memory/spatial aptitude...they really are special in how much closer they get to the original zelda, especially compared to every other handheld game in the series
Great video man, can’t wait to see whatever you work on next
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Glad someone actually point out the beauty of thos two games..its the only memory i have that i once had a close and fun relationship with my father..depending of who of us two was free to play either him or me enjoyed that games..and OoA was my birthday present as a kid..and he gave it to me 1day b4 couse he had to leave early on my bday so he wont see me..and he had to admit he alrdy started playing it …oh boy thats so long ago i sadly never touched the games ever since i finished them in my childhood…(bought both on my 3DS tho) PS: as odd as the soundtrack is sometimes i still love listen to them all while painting
It's amazing to me that more people don't know about these games - they were so good! + the items you got from linking the games together were all pretty cool and felt like real rewards for going to all the trouble.
The music was by Kyoko Nakamura and Minako Adachi of Kiyohiro Sada's group Pure Sound. Sada worked on many Konami and Natsume games like Top Gun, Abadox, and S.C.A.T. Adachi worked on many popular series, most notable the Summon Knight games.
Sada also told me there was no MIDI on the Game Boy; all the music and sound effects had to be coded by hand in binary code.
I played them when they came out and Seasons will always have a place in my heart. I’m just sad that I’m only now finding out about the Oracle manga 😅
I love that sawtoothy bass so much tho
The oracle games were some of my favorites! Glad I found this video! I would LOVE for a remake to be done for this duo of games.
I got both of these back in the day, but never ended up finishing them...good to see they're awesome.
These games were so dear to me. All LoZ games are, it’s a blessing to have been playing LoZ for 20 years
I'm normally a big puzzles guy, but I loved Seasons' overworld so much; the whole thing was like a puzzle. The boss fights were much more fun, too. Ages was great on GBC, and I think I might've played it twice, but I honestly enjoyed Seasons even more. They're both great, of course, and I'd love to see a Switch remake using assets from the Link's Awakening version.
And I loooooved the magnetic gloves!
I am in love with these games. Some of the best top down Zelda’s. Truly underrated and I hope they get a remake or at least go on Nintendo Switch online
The Oracles making me feel unwise
Got me acting strange
Legend of zelda never disappoints
A wonderfully written and produced video, thank you
I had the biggest crush on Nayru when I was younger
These games are hands down my favorite Zelda titles. I would beat them every summer, sometimes again and again, since the linked quest can continue on to the Triforce quest.
Did you know there's not one, but at least two references to these games in Undertale? There's a chasm a blue chicken takes you across very strenuously, and a table with "A powerful-looking bracelet" on it, before revealing "Oh, it's just a croissant."
There's a reason these games are so beloved by its fans, and it's no coincidence that BOTW is such a hit with its director coming from them. It's only a shame that Nintendo doesn't give them any recognition.
These are both references to link’s awakening though.
My brother just happened to buy both games at the same time that I bought my Gameboy Advance SP, and I couldn’t believe how fun and wonderful both games were! I’ve played the shit out of them, probably 10 times through by now and they still hold up! I even got into pixel art because one of my classes was so boring that I downloaded MS Paint and re-colored a bunch of sprites from both games, so thank you for doing a video on these hidden gems, they’re my favorite games of all time!
In my opinion, _A Link to the Past_ has the best dual-world mechanic in the Zelda series... and _Oracle of Ages_ implements it even better than ALttP did.
When my family had to move cross country, i had pokemon gold and oracle of seasons that i played nonstop. Has a special place in my heart cus of that. Thanks for this trip down memory lane 😄
My first Zelda games and forever near to my heart. Thank you for a great video.
THESE GAMES ARE THE MOST UNDERRATED IN THE SERIES THE COLORS AND THE PUZZLES ARE SO AMAZING I HOPE THEY GET REMAKES LIKE LINKS AWAKENING