Thank you for a glimpse of the bridge... those trails are beautiful there!! Where I live, Portland OR, we have so much underbrush in the forest... impossible to see between tree trunks like you can there. Thanks for sharing
This video shows the killer had to have been familiar with the lay of the land and a hiker. I’ve been following the case closely since the day the girls went missing.
it gives me the creeps when i see it because it reminds me of the area that lyric cook and her cousin were found. Could the same man have done both crimes? It's so much alike.
Great video!! If you ever want someone to go with you hit me up. I have been wanting to go there myself and may take in some court time. I'm a hour South of Bloomington.
thanks Thomas. very nice video. not quite sure where RA was parked. but yes the affidavit clearly indicates they see a car resembling RA's car travelling in front of the Hoosier harvestore, towards the west at 1:27 pm. the car is not mentioned coming back, maybe because he went back to Delphi going west from where he was parked.
@@ShyLow4 The PCA is very good in that it did it’s purpose (arrest of RA) it’s maybe not so good for us sleuths tho. Oh well I guess we have to wait a little longer. I’m just happy he’s off the streets and can’t do it again
I'm watching this a year after you posted this on TH-cam. It is also the day after the verdict was read for Richard Allen. After watching your walk back through the woods, I believe RA took the same route back through the woods. If he was worried about being seen muddy and bloody, this would have been a way to conceal that. Then it would have only been as short distance on the highway back to his vehicle.
I´m watching your video from Germany. Thank you for filming the location. Now I get a better understandig of the area and its layout. What if RA crossed back onto the trail from the main road? If you put up the picture from 4/2017 on google earth, you can see a trail from the main road back to the monon trail 2/3 between the cemetery and the Harvestore. If he took that way, he wouldn´t have be seen on the camera of that store. Just my two cents.
welll it was such a beautiful place and frankly I think they wrecked the place. it is clearly not as nice as before. There were ways to preserve the place while giving more security. like replacing the missing transverse wood pieces. or putting a net below and a side rope. and preventing people to go there indicating that is at their own risk... but what they did is clearly awful and destructive.
The reason that the family services was there is that it was built way before the Hoosier Heartland Highway was built, and there was an Anderson's General Store there (later became Big R) and the plan was to further develop the area, which of course never happened, especially when the highway cut through it all.
!!!THIS DISPROVES THE BULLET EVIDENCE!!! I BELIEVE THE BULLET WAS PLANTED BETWEEN THE GIRLS AFTER THEY WERE STAGED. THE KILLER/KILLERS WOULD HAVE NO NEED WHATSOEVER TO HAVE A GUN OUT ON TWO DEAD GIRLS. THEY WERE MOVED FROM WHERE THEY WERE KILLED WHICH IS THE ONLY PLACE A GUN MIGHT HAVE SERVED HIS/THEIR PURPOSE. AND SO THE CONVENIENTLY PLACED THE BULLET IS AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP INVESTIGATIONS SHORT AS POSSIBLE AND AWAY FROM HIM/THEM, NOT BECAUSE THE FIRE ARM WAS IN USE. I BELIEVE THIS ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT THE BULLET WAS NOT FIRED NULLIFIES THE PROSECUTION'S CASE AGAINST ALLEN BASED ON THE BULLET. A BULLET FROM A GUN THAT WAS LIKELY NOT USED BECAUSE OF THE LARGE AMOUNT OF BLOOD AT THE CRIME SCENE IS INDICATIVE OF A BLADE. FOUND BETWEEN 2 STAGED VICTIMS A LONG DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE CRIME SCENE, THE ONLY PLACE A GUN WOULD BE USED. YAH BLESS. PEACE.
We don’t know whether he was caught on the camera walking back. Could be another piece being held back. His car was seen on the camera when he arrived.
He could have walked on the left side across from CPS in the tree line? Idk i wish i could go there to figure out exactly, but im all the way in CA. Thanks for these videos they are helpful
@@FireAndIceTCP Right! The whole area so different, the trail and bridge, they need to put up pictures on a historical map so in the future people will be able to understand what the girls actually went through! Completely different bridge, much safer but kinda sad 😔
He could have walked through the woods but that would mean nobody else was on the trail at that time. Entirely possible but very lucky. The woods between the trail and the road is very minimal and ends on private property in someone's backyard. There's not a lot of options in those woods so "anywhere" Is an area of like 20-30 yards across right next to the trail with no cover because it's winter. Unless he walked on the opposite side of the trail but that would be really bold of him to go back on the trail covered in blood.
What people need to ponder is, if they think RA is guilty, why on earth would he walk on the path knowing he would likely walk right past others on the trail right before committing murders? It makes absolutely zero sense. The kind of place it is, it would have been so easy for him to mingle between the trees and stay out of sight until he was on the bridge itself. Are you really going to tell me he walked past three girls, knowing they all looked at him from just a few feet away, and then he still went on to butcher two girls nearby? Ridiculous! He would either have to really want to be caught, or be the dumbest man in the whole of the United States.
Hey Thomas. Thanks for posting. Do you have any images (photos or video) of the paths down to the Mary Gerard Reserve immediately to the right as you're about to get onto the bridge from the northwest side? You pan in that direction, but not close enough to the edge to see the foot trodden paths. I'm looking for images of that area close to the bridge.
@@FireAndIceTCP At 21:16-21 you point to the bridge from the 501. It's the area immediately to the right as you're pointing. There's a cluster of trees there, and at least one foot-trodden path down from there to the river and the 505 trail in the Mary Gerard Reserve. You pan in the same direction again at 21:30 (left side of screen). There's some drone footage of the area and Bonnie Rame has a brief shot of it on one of her videos, but I was hoping to see some detailed closer shots from ground level. It may be a bit steeper now than in 2017 and 2018.
@Michael Sudduth oh! I can go back out and get some footage of that area. I've never really walked over there before. I'll grab footage next time I go. We are about to get a foot of snow so it may be a few days
@@FireAndIceTCP Hey, Thomas. That would be great. There's a lot of trail footage on TH-cam, but not so much of that area, but it's important for an aspect of what I'm working on in connection with the Delphi case. I'm also interested in how long it takes to walk to the 505 going down that footpath into the woods, though that might need to wait until the snow clears. Feel free to email me and I can share a bit more about what I'm working on. But I appreciate your help.
Excellent video Thomas 👌🏻 I live in the UK and cover the Delphi case as best I can. Would it be possible to use some of this footage in a future video if I credit you etc ? No problem if not 👍🏻
@@Kayla11113 You would be shocked how many large fish are in that creek and the rivers surrounding the creek. That flow down from the north. I live by there. I know.
I hear so many people say (including grandparents of Libby G.) That the Monon Bridge, Tails And In General The area is so beautiful..IMO it's a very Eerie unattractive area, and I have seen footage during summer too and Its Not An Attractive Pretty Area..
I feel that this unfortunate situation was well planned. I think Libby and Abby went out there to meet Keegan Klein AKA Anthony Shots. Once they arrived it turned ugly. They did their homework, but they forgot about the kitty hair.💜
@ToughLove I will say Richard Allen's backyard has barely any evidence of digging, the only plot that looks dug up is SUPER small. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a dead cat in there lol. That'd be INSANE.
No I never did a live out there lol not enough signal. I did a short live with Robert Ives at the bridge but didn’t realize my mic was broken on my phone so it’s useless lol
I think he is caught on camera walking back but not identifiable, just a figure walking. Remember LE asking if anyone saw a hitchhiker that day? That’s who I think they were referring to. I also think this view of him walking on camera is why they suspected very early on that he was a local. Also, yes his car was seen on this camera but was heading west towards the CPS building so it’s like he passed the cemetery, got picked up on the camera and kept going towards CPS (maybe there was a car already parked at the cemetery so he didn’t park there)
So cool they fixing up the bridge. Been long time coming lol. That place might be haunted from the evil that was committed there especially when you walking the killers path.📝 Despicable individual. 🗑Hope he gets what's coming to him.💴 Hope Abby Libby are having fun right now where they are at.🗿
Some think he went through the cemetery to the 300 to get to his car at the old CPS building. He couldn't go out to Mears farm or he would been seen leaving. The lady that seen him Muddy & Bloody is in the PCA.
about the time line, one has to remember how tight the schedule was. The girls were dropped at 1: 45. At that moment Libby called her father to ask him to come one hour and 30 minutes later at 3: 15 pm. They are still on the bridge at 2: 13 pm. It is estimated they reach the kill zone around 2: 20pm. What happens next is unclear. is there someone else waiting for them. Are they waiting for someone? how long does the assault last? apparently according to the witness in her car and according to RA himself, RA is still around at 3. 30 (the witness driver says she sees him at 3. 57pm.) Libby's father arrives before 3: 15. he calls out Libby and Abby's names from the trail. Quite likely from the north part of the high bridge that he reaches probably aroud 3: 20. (He knew they were going to that place to take pictures, and as it is a dangerous spot, if the girls dont answer the calls, that is the place he would go in priority to check they have not fallen from the bridge for instance). It is chilling to know that the killer was still there down below, and that he quite possibly saw and heard the father at that point (your video clealry shows we can hear and see the bridge/people on the bridge from around the kill zone) and quite possibly it incited him to leave quickly through the cemetery. Not only did he shout out their names but he called Libbys phone which was somewhere on the ground among the leaves, over and over. The calls did not go to voicemail until later in the evening according to reports . So it possibly ringed, but RA was unable to locate the phone, while the shoutings became closer and closer. Also as the research for the girls had already started, RA was probably distressed and tried to reach his car walking on road 300. As he was desperate to leave quickly, it is possible he did not have time to hide the mud and blood stains or to hide from the camera, that he probably did not take into account (the same way he did not take into account libby's camera)...so it would be highly surprising if he hid from the camera on the building while he did not hid from an upcoming car, and as he could not go back on the trail through the little stretch of wood as Libby's father was walking the trail... at that point he was in disguise (hood and scarf) anyway...
@@FireAndIceTCP well actually, this tight schedule is such that we can even wonder why and when the girls were killed. The sad thing is that we can not rule out that the girls were still alive but gagged in some ways when the father arrived and called the girls on the phone and called out their names. The fact that the killer is still around is very strange. once the killing is done, there was no reason to be still there much longer...that may be what is meant in the daily mail article that the kidnapping went wrong and the girls were killed on the spot in an unplanned manner. if the assailant(s) (the girls were partly undressed at least so a sexual component is obvious) felt trapped, but did not want to leave a witness, the murder may have happened before leaving the victims. also as the research had started , a gun could not be used hence the knife. a very tragic case at any rate.
@@FireAndIceTCP I'm far away in France so I cannot do it myself, but if you happened to go back to Delphi, if you did the test of calling out a name from the trail and from the bridge and record how well it can be heard/ this person can be seen from the killing zone, it would be very indicative. You would need to go back with a friend of yours to do that though... Also it would be interesting to see how you reach the site from Delphi. Come from RAs address from the East for instance and park where RA is supposed to have parked, as suggested in the probable cause affidavit. To show how close this is. Then go away towards the West. Also it would be interesting to show how close the police precinct is from the CVS store...those kind of things i have not seen... Anyway thanks a lot for your videos! Now if you want to avoid the people working on the bridge new year's day could be a date. Or on any Sunday you wont be annoyed ... even the farmers wont work on these days.
@Art King Of WholeFoods it had to have been in the general area of where the bodies were found. No human can move two people, being dead weight, very far there.
@@FireAndIceTCP So strange. You want to believe that he committed the crime where they found those poor girls. There’s no way right? People would have seen, or noticed. But then if he took them, and brought them back, then he had to have had help. I suspect those named “people of interest” are involved, but who knows? I hope one day we’ll have all the answers. Your videos are cool. 👍🏼 You know, despite the tragedy, Indiana looks like a beautiful place to live. Cold. But… beautiful.
I was wondering why is it so important to keep those sacreligious temple legs ,unrested spirit's and ghost to honor SATAN damned land where sacrifices took place unholy and continue to this day where will it end more attack's on children's for the devil 👀😇💙🎶🤍🎚️I see a great big S
Thank you for the video, it's like being there with you , I love watching your channel 😀
I’m shocked that the bridge has changed that much! Looks completely different!
Thank you
Thank you for a glimpse of the bridge... those trails are beautiful there!!
Where I live, Portland OR, we have so much underbrush in the forest... impossible to see between tree trunks like you can there. Thanks for sharing
Oh yeah! I've been to the PNW before. It's a whole different ball game.
This video shows the killer had to have been familiar with the lay of the land and a hiker. I’ve been following the case closely since the day the girls went missing.
In Pa. I've just heard of this a year ago.Heartbreaking.🙏🙏
@@davidschaadt3460me too those so much going on this is the craziest story I've ever heard such a heartbreaking story
Great Video, Thanks for doing this as a lot have wondered what it looked like back there. Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄
So glad they are fixing the bridge!
Great video with so much information to help make sense of the area. Thanks from UK
Great video, I didn't realize there was a trail back to the bridge from that side.
Thanks for sharing this and your time!
Of course. Seeing this case through til the end. Share and subscribe if you haven't already! :)
it gives me the creeps when i see it because it reminds me of the area that lyric cook and her cousin were found. Could the same man have done both crimes? It's so much alike.
There has been a lot of speculation that the two are connected, but I doubt we will ever know.
Great video!! If you ever want someone to go with you hit me up. I have been wanting to go there myself and may take in some court time. I'm a hour South of Bloomington.
thanks Thomas. very nice video. not quite sure where RA was parked. but yes the affidavit clearly indicates they see a car resembling RA's car travelling in front of the Hoosier harvestore, towards the west at 1:27 pm. the car is not mentioned coming back, maybe because he went back to Delphi going west from where he was parked.
Sadly they left out a lot of times of people coming and going, passing each other etc. The PCA is not very good imo. Still many unanswered questions.
@@ShyLow4 The PCA is very good in that it did it’s purpose (arrest of RA) it’s maybe not so good for us sleuths tho. Oh well I guess we have to wait a little longer. I’m just happy he’s off the streets and can’t do it again
Now I’m trying to imagine the noise of three people walking through there..
I'm watching this a year after you posted this on TH-cam. It is also the day after the verdict was read for Richard Allen. After watching your walk back through the woods, I believe RA took the same route back through the woods. If he was worried about being seen muddy and bloody, this would have been a way to conceal that. Then it would have only been as short distance on the highway back to his vehicle.
I live in Washington county Indiana. Hopefully it comes closer.
Just watching this video gives u an eerie feeling may those beautiful girls rest in peace
Such austere beauty in this trail st this time of year. Thanks for the upload. I have full faith in the investigation , justice will be served.
I´m watching your video from Germany. Thank you for filming the location. Now I get a better understandig of the area and its layout.
What if RA crossed back onto the trail from the main road?
If you put up the picture from 4/2017 on google earth, you can see a trail from the main road back to the monon trail 2/3 between the cemetery and the Harvestore.
If he took that way, he wouldn´t have be seen on the camera of that store.
Just my two cents.
That’s cool they’re fixing the bridge, it looks a lot more safe with how high up it is
welll it was such a beautiful place and frankly I think they wrecked the place. it is clearly not as nice as before. There were ways to preserve the place while giving more security. like replacing the missing transverse wood pieces. or putting a net below and a side rope. and preventing people to go there indicating that is at their own risk... but what they did is clearly awful and destructive.
The reason that the family services was there is that it was built way before the Hoosier Heartland Highway was built, and there was an Anderson's General Store there (later became Big R) and the plan was to further develop the area, which of course never happened, especially when the highway cut through it all.
!!!THIS DISPROVES THE BULLET EVIDENCE!!! I BELIEVE THE BULLET WAS PLANTED BETWEEN THE GIRLS AFTER THEY WERE STAGED. THE KILLER/KILLERS WOULD HAVE NO NEED WHATSOEVER TO HAVE A GUN OUT ON TWO DEAD GIRLS. THEY WERE MOVED FROM WHERE THEY WERE KILLED WHICH IS THE ONLY PLACE A GUN MIGHT HAVE SERVED HIS/THEIR PURPOSE. AND SO THE CONVENIENTLY PLACED THE BULLET IS AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP INVESTIGATIONS SHORT AS POSSIBLE AND AWAY FROM HIM/THEM, NOT BECAUSE THE FIRE ARM WAS IN USE. I BELIEVE THIS ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT THE BULLET WAS NOT FIRED NULLIFIES THE PROSECUTION'S CASE AGAINST ALLEN BASED ON THE BULLET. A BULLET FROM A GUN THAT WAS LIKELY NOT USED BECAUSE OF THE LARGE AMOUNT OF BLOOD AT THE CRIME SCENE IS INDICATIVE OF A BLADE. FOUND BETWEEN 2 STAGED VICTIMS A LONG DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE CRIME SCENE, THE ONLY PLACE A GUN WOULD BE USED. YAH BLESS. PEACE.
Thank you so much. These videos are soooo helpful.
Of course! I’ll be doing more next week around Sunday or Monday :) subscribe so you don’t miss them!! 😊
I'd love to take my metal detector through that area
We don’t know whether he was caught on the camera walking back. Could be another piece being held back. His car was seen on the camera when he arrived.
This is a great video
It’s like looking through the eyes of Richard Allen..
Hope they add some cameras too
Why is the tree marked orange at 3:53?
Thanks buddy!
I wonder if his wife and daughter were gone or did he have to sneak in the house to clean up?
It’s my understanding that his wife was at work
Wife got off at 4:00 I hear..
Those some many diffrent story I heard tge wife was at her moms
He could have walked on the left side across from CPS in the tree line? Idk i wish i could go there to figure out exactly, but im all the way in CA. Thanks for these videos they are helpful
Just need to give reference as to where you are! I figured it out, but yeah still be nice to have markers
Thanks
Hey! Just for reference i am at the crime scene area. Just so others know!
@@FireAndIceTCP Right!
The whole area so different, the trail and bridge, they need to put up pictures on a historical map so in the future people will be able to understand what the girls actually went through! Completely different bridge, much safer but kinda sad 😔
He wouldn't have to walk on the road or the trail... you can walk literally anywhere in the woods.
Did you not see the woods are only on one side of the road and are butted up against the trail? Someone would've seen him easily.
He could have walked through the woods but that would mean nobody else was on the trail at that time. Entirely possible but very lucky. The woods between the trail and the road is very minimal and ends on private property in someone's backyard. There's not a lot of options in those woods so "anywhere" Is an area of like 20-30 yards across right next to the trail with no cover because it's winter. Unless he walked on the opposite side of the trail but that would be really bold of him to go back on the trail covered in blood.
@@FireAndIceTCP I agree. This case has spun my head around from the beginning.
@@melissamurphy1987 I have been there many times. If you really needed to hide, you probably could.
What people need to ponder is, if they think RA is guilty, why on earth would he walk on the path knowing he would likely walk right past others on the trail right before committing murders? It makes absolutely zero sense. The kind of place it is, it would have been so easy for him to mingle between the trees and stay out of sight until he was on the bridge itself. Are you really going to tell me he walked past three girls, knowing they all looked at him from just a few feet away, and then he still went on to butcher two girls nearby? Ridiculous! He would either have to really want to be caught, or be the dumbest man in the whole of the United States.
Hey Thomas. Thanks for posting. Do you have any images (photos or video) of the paths down to the Mary Gerard Reserve immediately to the right as you're about to get onto the bridge from the northwest side? You pan in that direction, but not close enough to the edge to see the foot trodden paths. I'm looking for images of that area close to the bridge.
Can you give a timestamp? I'm trying to figure out which area you're talking about lol. The secondary path that's to the right of the main path?
@@FireAndIceTCP At 21:16-21 you point to the bridge from the 501. It's the area immediately to the right as you're pointing. There's a cluster of trees there, and at least one foot-trodden path down from there to the river and the 505 trail in the Mary Gerard Reserve. You pan in the same direction again at 21:30 (left side of screen). There's some drone footage of the area and Bonnie Rame has a brief shot of it on one of her videos, but I was hoping to see some detailed closer shots from ground level. It may be a bit steeper now than in 2017 and 2018.
@Michael Sudduth oh! I can go back out and get some footage of that area. I've never really walked over there before. I'll grab footage next time I go. We are about to get a foot of snow so it may be a few days
@@FireAndIceTCP Hey, Thomas. That would be great. There's a lot of trail footage on TH-cam, but not so much of that area, but it's important for an aspect of what I'm working on in connection with the Delphi case. I'm also interested in how long it takes to walk to the 505 going down that footpath into the woods, though that might need to wait until the snow clears. Feel free to email me and I can share a bit more about what I'm working on. But I appreciate your help.
@@michaelsudduth8174 sure shoot me your email!
Excellent video Thomas 👌🏻 I live in the UK and cover the Delphi case as best I can. Would it be possible to use some of this footage in a future video if I credit you etc ? No problem if not 👍🏻
Yeah just credit me :)! Feel free to use as much footage as you want.
I have family in Birmingham! A lot of my immediate family lives out there. Thanks for stopping by!
@@FireAndIceTCP Thank you Thomas that is amazing ❤️❤️🎅🏻🎅🏻 I will forward my viewers over to your channel 👍🏻
@@FireAndIceTCP Is that Birmingham UK or USA haha ??
@Crime Scene 2 Courtroom UK! Lol my grandmother was from there. I'll subscribe and be on the lookout for your new videos!
Is this the area where the girls were found at.??
How far was the house from the murder scene?
Look I believe there's possibly , alot of ways to get to that place.??😮
I heard they were putting in an observation deck and you would not be able to cross all the way over.
@@Kayla11113 You would be shocked how many large fish are in that creek and the rivers surrounding the creek. That flow down from the north. I live by there. I know.
😂
I hear so many people say (including grandparents of Libby G.) That the Monon Bridge, Tails And In General The area is so beautiful..IMO it's a very Eerie unattractive area, and I have seen footage during summer too and Its Not An Attractive Pretty Area..
That crow makes it spooky
Especially out there alone!
@@FireAndIceTCP. Especially knowing what happened there
One in the search crew who found the girls. He saw 2 deers and was about to take a picture, thats how Libby and Abby discoverd.
He wasn't gonna take a picture. He was looking through the lens to get close up looking for those girls.
I feel that this unfortunate situation was well planned. I think Libby and Abby went out there to meet Keegan Klein AKA Anthony Shots. Once they arrived it turned ugly. They did their homework, but they forgot about the kitty hair.💜
@mostdoperemixes It's been claimed that cat hair was found on the victims and detectives matched the hair to one of Richard Allen's cats.
The cat hair is a rumor at this point. It has not been confirmed. Just speculation.
@ToughLove I will say Richard Allen's backyard has barely any evidence of digging, the only plot that looks dug up is SUPER small. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a dead cat in there lol. That'd be INSANE.
They didn’t go to meet anyone and there is no cat hair involved.
Do you really think kegan walked through that area? He's obese.
Hey @Frosty, didn’t you do a live stream out here sometime in the past year? I was looking for it. Am I losing my mind or did you pull it down?
No I never did a live out there lol not enough signal. I did a short live with Robert Ives at the bridge but didn’t realize my mic was broken on my phone so it’s useless lol
@@FireAndIceTCP oh man! I could’ve sworn that you even stated in the live that you were surprised signal was working. Haha, well thanks for replying.
I'm glad you said you read RL died in 2020. I swear I thought I read that, too.
I know I did. I think it was misreported lol
Is that the area where they were found?
I have racked in my kitchen and a hard time finding it! They can go flying and get away from you
I think he is caught on camera walking back but not identifiable, just a figure walking. Remember LE asking if anyone saw a hitchhiker that day? That’s who I think they were referring to. I also think this view of him walking on camera is why they suspected very early on that he was a local.
Also, yes his car was seen on this camera but was heading west towards the CPS building so it’s like he passed the cemetery, got picked up on the camera and kept going towards CPS (maybe there was a car already parked at the cemetery so he didn’t park there)
They asked if anyone saw a hitchhiker, but there was no hitchhiker. It was just them asking for anything people might’ve seen.
@@rsnay I disagree but that’s ok to disagree
Are they going the hole length of the bridge?
U said in this video u live in bloomington...Richard allen used to work at the walmart in bloomingdale as a manager
So cool they fixing up the bridge. Been long time coming lol. That place might be haunted from the evil that was committed there especially when you walking the killers path.📝 Despicable individual. 🗑Hope he gets what's coming to him.💴 Hope Abby Libby are having fun right now where they are at.🗿
especially if he stepped on it
Some think he went through the cemetery to the 300 to get to his car at the old CPS building. He couldn't go out to Mears farm or he would been seen leaving. The lady that seen him Muddy & Bloody is in the PCA.
The deers have a disease that causes them to dehydrate and it is contagious to humans.😮.
If you dropped a pistol cartridge in the leaves ,it probably wouldn't be easy to find.
Since you are a professional photographer, do you think the security camera on the Store captures footage all the way to the trail?
I’m not a professional by any means but no that camera is probably very poor quality
That may be where the "private property" line starts
It becomes private property at the end of the new decking.
The bridge and the land under it belongs to the Historic Landmarks Foundation. Everything around that area is private property.
about the time line, one has to remember how tight the schedule was. The girls were dropped at 1: 45. At that moment Libby called her father to ask him to come one hour and 30 minutes later at 3: 15 pm. They are still on the bridge at 2: 13 pm.
It is estimated they reach the kill zone around 2: 20pm.
What happens next is unclear. is there someone else waiting for them. Are they waiting for someone?
how long does the assault last? apparently according to the witness in her car and according to RA himself, RA is still around at 3. 30 (the witness driver says she sees him at 3. 57pm.)
Libby's father arrives before 3: 15. he calls out Libby and Abby's names from the trail. Quite likely from the north part of the high bridge that he reaches probably aroud 3: 20. (He knew they were going to that place to take pictures, and as it is a dangerous spot, if the girls dont answer the calls, that is the place he would go in priority to check they have not fallen from the bridge for instance).
It is chilling to know that the killer was still there down below, and that he quite possibly saw and heard the father at that point (your video clealry shows we can hear and see the bridge/people on the bridge from around the kill zone) and quite possibly it incited him to leave quickly through the cemetery. Not only did he shout out their names but he called Libbys phone which was somewhere on the ground among the leaves, over and over. The calls did not go to voicemail until later in the evening according to reports . So it possibly ringed, but RA was unable to locate the phone, while the shoutings became closer and closer.
Also as the research for the girls had already started, RA was probably distressed and tried to reach his car walking on road 300. As he was desperate to leave quickly, it is possible he did not have time to hide the mud and blood stains or to hide from the camera, that he probably did not take into account (the same way he did not take into account libby's camera)...so it would be highly surprising if he hid from the camera on the building while he did not hid from an upcoming car, and as he could not go back on the trail through the little stretch of wood as Libby's father was walking the trail... at that point he was in disguise (hood and scarf) anyway...
Really good insight. Thank you for this
@@FireAndIceTCP well actually, this tight schedule is such that we can even wonder why and when the girls were killed. The sad thing is that we can not rule out that the girls were still alive but gagged in some ways when the father arrived and called the girls on the phone and called out their names. The fact that the killer is still around is very strange. once the killing is done, there was no reason to be still there much longer...that may be what is meant in the daily mail article that the kidnapping went wrong and the girls were killed on the spot in an unplanned manner. if the assailant(s) (the girls were partly undressed at least so a sexual component is obvious) felt trapped, but did not want to leave a witness, the murder may have happened before leaving the victims. also as the research had started , a gun could not be used hence the knife. a very tragic case at any rate.
@@FireAndIceTCP I'm far away in France so I cannot do it myself, but if you happened to go back to Delphi, if you did the test of calling out a name from the trail and from the bridge and record how well it can be heard/ this person can be seen from the killing zone, it would be very indicative. You would need to go back with a friend of yours to do that though...
Also it would be interesting to see how you reach the site from Delphi. Come from RAs address from the East for instance and park where RA is supposed to have parked, as suggested in the probable cause affidavit. To show how close this is. Then go away towards the West. Also it would be interesting to show how close the police precinct is from the CVS store...those kind of things i have not seen...
Anyway thanks a lot for your videos!
Now if you want to avoid the people working on the bridge new year's day could be a date. Or on any Sunday you wont be annoyed ... even the farmers wont work on these days.
@alainprostbis my brother can do that! Me and him go together sometimes. Thanks so much for watching from France. That's so cool!
@@FireAndIceTCP most welcome. Merry Christmas to you!
Maybe he hid out at Ron's place until he could get a ride out of there??
the affidavit states that RA was seen about half a mile up the road walking away from Ron Logans house, so that would eliminate that possibility
So do we know for sure if he assaulted/murdered them there, or did he take them somewhere else?
@Art King Of WholeFoods it had to have been in the general area of where the bodies were found. No human can move two people, being dead weight, very far there.
@@FireAndIceTCP So strange. You want to believe that he committed the crime where they found those poor girls. There’s no way right? People would have seen, or noticed. But then if he took them, and brought them back, then he had to have had help. I suspect those named “people of interest” are involved, but who knows? I hope one day we’ll have all the answers. Your videos are cool. 👍🏼 You know, despite the tragedy, Indiana looks like a beautiful place to live. Cold. But… beautiful.
Any idea why the girls weren’t found that nite?
I was wondering why is it so important to keep those sacreligious temple legs ,unrested spirit's and ghost to honor SATAN damned land where sacrifices took place unholy and continue to this day where will it end more attack's on children's for the devil 👀😇💙🎶🤍🎚️I see a great big S
You realize you were trespassing the whole time, right? Why do people think they can trounce around back there any time they want?
I was told that area had been sold to the city for trail expansion. No signage posted either so I didn't think I was.
Why do you assume he didn't have permission?
@@edsnow Maybe I’m not assuming.
@@rsnay Did you realize you were trespassing when you crossed the bridge? Probably not. Mistakes happen. You both have good intentions.
@@walter-hartwellwhite646 I’ve addressed this before and that’s the reason I’m saying something now.