History of the Tungusic Languages

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  • History of the Tungusic Languages, Evenki, Evenic, Jurchenic, Manchu, Xibe, Nanai, Ulch, Orok, Oroch, Udihe, Kili, Oroqen, Nedigal
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  • @ElHeraldoHispano
    @ElHeraldoHispano ปีที่แล้ว +162

    3:13 from being the court language of a huge empire to becoming almost extinct, the sad fate of Manchu language...

    • @koesben9363
      @koesben9363 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That part hits very hard

    • @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
      @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If Qing emperor didn't conquer china it never happened

    • @placozoa
      @placozoa ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 You mean Later Jin? Da Qing was only established after it took the North China Plain.

    • @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
      @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@placozoa sorry mistake i mean later jin

    • @user-nf3kz9ee2n
      @user-nf3kz9ee2n 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is an old saying…
      “If you conquer China… you become China!!”

  • @mashiah1
    @mashiah1 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Ironic that the victory of the Manchus caused their language to die

    • @adnan_honest_jihadist5775
      @adnan_honest_jihadist5775 ปีที่แล้ว

      its bcs of chinese and russians who forcefully assimiliate them

    • @guangdong6805
      @guangdong6805 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 ? The Manchus self assimilated lol

    • @adnan_honest_jihadist5775
      @adnan_honest_jihadist5775 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@guangdong6805 bcs they were forced to

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx ปีที่แล้ว +47

      its also the fate of the franks in france, the bulgars in bulgaria, and many other places

    • @guppy719
      @guppy719 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx Its debatable for the Franks, something Like Dutch could be considered a successor.

  • @erikprank4611
    @erikprank4611 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Great video! It would also be interesting to see a region-based video "History of language families in Siberia", where the spread of all language families in Siberia would be visualized.

  • @IlleScrutator
    @IlleScrutator ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Since most of these languages were already registered with very low speakers more than a decade ago, today some of them are probably on the brink of extinction if not outright gone.
    By number of speakers:
    Manchu: 20, with "thousands" as second language (2007 Ethnologue)
    Xibe: 30 000 (2000 Ethnologue)
    Nanai: 1 400 (2010 russian census)
    Ulch: 150 (2010 russian census)
    Orok: 26-47 (2010 russian census)
    Oroch: 339 (2008 estimate)
    Udihe: 100 (2010 russian census)
    Kili: 40 (1989-1990 estimate)
    Evenki: 26 580 (2010 russian census)
    Oroqen: 1 200 (2009 Ethnologue)
    Evenic: 5 700 (2010 russian census)
    Nedigal: 75 (2010 russian census)

    • @L1M.L4M
      @L1M.L4M ปีที่แล้ว +4

      20?

    • @IlleScrutator
      @IlleScrutator ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@L1M.L4M Yep, 20 remaining native speakers and all very old, all the other 11 million manchus are almost completely sinicized; some are trying to revitalize the language and the culture, but for now they're not enough.

    • @zhuohuizhang273
      @zhuohuizhang273 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@L1M.L4M not true. native speakers around that number but tens of thousands speak as a second language. it is a bit like the role of Hebrew among the diaspora.

    • @fenglin1020
      @fenglin1020 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      The case of why the Oroqen is endangered is very sad... Oroqens were a thriving group with multiple clans and tribes on Northern Manchuria but thousands of them were killed during WW2 because of the Japanese distributing opium and later using the people as test subjects for sick scientific test... Even after the war they were starved by the Chinese government and driven to suicide because of severe discrimination by other Chinese people in Heilongjiang...

    • @henricoz_9745
      @henricoz_9745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ehi Miki, da quanto tempo! Maaa...sei vivo? 😅 Sono mesi che ti cerchiamo su AD

  • @papazataklaattiranimam
    @papazataklaattiranimam ปีที่แล้ว +109

    I cried at the end😢

    • @user-xw8et4lr2j
      @user-xw8et4lr2j ปีที่แล้ว +4

      why??

    • @user-gr9fq9gt9w
      @user-gr9fq9gt9w ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @user-xw8et4lr2j
      Because China and Russia are committing cultural genocide against those minorities for decades...

    • @stsk1061
      @stsk1061 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Russia has come.

    • @Joshayne
      @Joshayne ปีที่แล้ว +6

      payback for yangzhou massacre

    • @fenglin1020
      @fenglin1020 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@user-xw8et4lr2j because every single member of the tungusic languages are severely endangered?!

  • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
    @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The irony being that Manchu's decline began with the Qing dynasty.

    • @Avuinu
      @Avuinu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Today the news would call the Chinese nationalists

  • @nenenindonu
    @nenenindonu ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I don't always take over all of China but when I do, I abandon my mother tongue
    Manchu proverb

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx ปีที่แล้ว +5

      they manchurized mandarin hahaha

    • @Cremenium
      @Cremenium ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@xXxSkyViperxXxnot true

    • @nerdgimank3284
      @nerdgimank3284 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx cringe

    • @leohe2594
      @leohe2594 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx nope, Mandarin has 0 manchu lonewords and 0 cognates, and Manchu phonology is very different
      The Mandarin phonology was more due to the devastating wars against Jurchens and Mongols which caused the loss of many diphtongues and clusters but not due to foreign influence

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@leohe2594 ​ zero manchu loanwords?? hahaha the mandarin word for Russia is literally from manchu who itself got it from mongol. you want a list? here: Category:Chinese_terms_derived_from_Manchu in English Wiktionary. Also, Jurchen and Manchu are literally the same thing. Ask Nurhaci's son why that is the case. the denial of tdks...tsk tsk... hahaha

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    the Tungusic languages are among my favorite asian language families, it is sad to see it in such decline. I wish the people of Manchuria could once again speak Manchu as a first language.

    • @yaxiongzhang5031
      @yaxiongzhang5031 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was born and grew up in Beijing. I have many classmates are Manchu and some of them were offsprings from former Qing Dynasty royal family. However speaking Manchu language is no use there since the large population of Chinese speakers. But don't be sad cos there are already many Manchu words in Beijing's mandarin Chinese as slang.
      btw can you tell me your reason why Tungusic languages are your favourite?

    • @fisher1634
      @fisher1634 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@yaxiongzhang5031 Having manchu words in chinese isn't really the same as speaking the language itself

    • @yaxiongzhang5031
      @yaxiongzhang5031 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@fisher1634 well, that's only some courtesy talk in order to show some friendly will. The realistic question is : what kind of benefit can they get by speaking a language which is literally no use in real world?

    • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
      @celtofcanaanesurix2245 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@yaxiongzhang5031 the way they sound and the way their grammar works is so interesting, they are like something in between Mongolic and Paleo-Siberian and Turkic while being distinct from all three.
      I would still prefer a Manchu native speaking population to exist, as Manchu loans into Mandarin probably don’t sound much like actual Manchu, and it isn’t the same.

    • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
      @celtofcanaanesurix2245 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@yaxiongzhang5031 cultural and historical, not everyone has to speak a major language, that dulls the bright differences between peoples

  • @hieratics
    @hieratics ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Your videos are always great 👍🏼 👍🏼

  • @bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642
    @bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent video.
    Man, the decline was sharp in that last bit.

  • @polarmouse3943
    @polarmouse3943 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A very interesting video as always! Thanks!

  • @user-zg2pb7pi7p
    @user-zg2pb7pi7p ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Здравствуйте. Я читал о некоторой отдаленной связи языка саамов с тунгусскими языками.

  • @user-xc5mr6qk5z
    @user-xc5mr6qk5z ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video, thank you!

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're welcome :)

    • @user-xc5mr6qk5z
      @user-xc5mr6qk5z ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@CostasMelas your channel is amazing. I love it!

  • @MichaelSerra84
    @MichaelSerra84 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks a lot. I was anxious for the next vídeo from this series.

  • @iroquoianmapper
    @iroquoianmapper ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Hi, if you remember me. Nice video. I've been waiting for your video about the Tungussic languages for a long time. Are you planning to make a video about any Native American languages?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Thank you. I will try to make them in the future

  • @valiarsharapov152
    @valiarsharapov152 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great work!!

  • @-mikko-1373
    @-mikko-1373 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    It is really sad to see this unique and very interesting group of languages wither away. Future generations will definitely point towards us with a blaming hand wondering why we let all the unique cultures and languages die out

    • @guppy719
      @guppy719 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The vast majority of Languages and people groups in history have died out with no successor.

    • @-mikko-1373
      @-mikko-1373 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@guppy719 but the language mass extinction that will happen during this century will be completely unprecedented

    • @fenglin1020
      @fenglin1020 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@guppy719 Except this one is a whole language family.

    • @kungszigfrids1482
      @kungszigfrids1482 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dont really like them but manchu gender system is cool.

    • @kungszigfrids1482
      @kungszigfrids1482 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fenglin1020 Have you seen the fate of jenisean languages? Worse than tunguskik.

  • @xstar9567
    @xstar9567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    New video. Looks great.

  • @zoushuu
    @zoushuu ปีที่แล้ว +3

    excellent video, my thanks

  • @weimingzhou7318
    @weimingzhou7318 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The details of the video, especially the detail of Qing dynasty (Daicing/Dulimbai gurun) in non-Chinese proper regions, displayed very well. The same video of other youtubers I have seen previously doesn't show the influence of Manchu language (Manju gisun) in these non-Han regions, but your version shows it. Excellent!🌹

  • @tracyland479
    @tracyland479 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    koreanic or japonic langugaes next please

  • @escalera2885
    @escalera2885 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Russification is pretty visible here

    • @Hikukomoru
      @Hikukomoru 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sinification even more

    • @Trolligi
      @Trolligi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      both yes

  • @seleukus856
    @seleukus856 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you do a video about the Kurdish language and it’s history pls?😢

  • @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
    @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good work

  • @andrefarfan4372
    @andrefarfan4372 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video.

  • @kerimakt8295
    @kerimakt8295 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video 👏👏

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you

    • @user-rn6nb2ey7e
      @user-rn6nb2ey7e ปีที่แล้ว

      a fact: It is impossible for two Asian parents to have a white baby (Anatolians)! !
      Wake up Turks

  • @hakced
    @hakced ปีที่แล้ว +3

    fun fact. abt 50% of the remaining speakers speak xibe, that tiny blue one in west china

    • @ZlHl1999
      @ZlHl1999 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, the actress Tong Liya is from the Sibe People

    • @user-ok9dc5qt8d
      @user-ok9dc5qt8d 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Evenks have been compactly preserved in the North of Russia. Their territory of residence is equal in area to the territory of France!!!

  • @pas1994ok
    @pas1994ok ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing map, I haven't seen this video until 2 months after its premiere and I think that now you have covered all Eurasian language families

  • @Porterhaus94
    @Porterhaus94 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Which language groups haven't you done yet old-world wise?
    Could you do one for the romance languages of France, Spain, Italy and the Alps? I'd like to know when Venetian/Lombard/Ligurian developed and when they were overrun by Tuscan Italian.

    • @p00bix
      @p00bix ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Full list of Eurasian Language Families (excluding language isolates and proposed macrofamilies) Costas Melas has yet to cover, in approximate order from most to least speakers
      Asterisk to mark videos created by The Dragon Historian, who uses more or less the same format as Costas Melas.
      Dravidian*
      Japonic*
      Koreanic*
      Mongolic*
      Hrusish
      Ongan
      Nivkh (yes its a family of closely related languages, not an isolate)
      Yukaghir
      Great Andamanese
      Various small, unrelated Caucasian families were covered together in the 'Caucasian Languages' video. These families are not included in the list. The Yeneiseian languages were included in the Dene-Yeneiseian video, which shows the possibly related Na-Dene languages as well.

    • @zorbamartialis1256
      @zorbamartialis1256 ปีที่แล้ว

      Around the 16th century Italian became a literary language throughout Italy.
      At the end of the 19th century it was already well known in cultured circles throughout Italy.
      In the 1960s, Italian began to be spoken in everyday life as well, becoming a popular language.
      Since then the dialects have begun their decline and slang and regional or social jargons of Italian were born.
      the Gallo-Italic languages (Lombard, Emilian, Romagnolo, Ligurian, Piedmontese) began their decline already after the Second World War due to internal immigration from the south to the north.

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory ปีที่แล้ว +6

    great video, I like that you keep making these language families

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CostasMelas you're welcome

  • @Unknown32497
    @Unknown32497 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice.

  • @mrtrollnator123
    @mrtrollnator123 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    How ironic when the manchus conquered China, their language started to disappear

    • @MarkoPolo867
      @MarkoPolo867 ปีที่แล้ว

      The big mistake of these videos is that they show the formal spread of languages, without taking into account the density of populations and the number of their speakers.
      And just the Tungusic languages are a good example, since there have always been very few native speakers of these languages in vast territories, in Asia, Siberia, Mongolia and China, and they were a minority among the Turks, Mongols or Chinese, yes, they could be ruling dynasties or a military estate, or even hunter tribesmens and like Evenks, Warriors and rulers Manchurs, but they were less than 10% the population of these territories. Therefore, it is impossible to show them so categorically as if they were so common. This is a big mistake and misleading. And Manchurs has never been to Kazakhstan, only delegations of officials and ambassadors

  • @user-bm5kj8qo3t
    @user-bm5kj8qo3t ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Another great video on a language family which is fanting away.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you

    • @user-ok9dc5qt8d
      @user-ok9dc5qt8d 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CostasMelas Are the Tungusic-Manchurian languages included in the Altai family of languages? Or does such a concept as "Altaic languages " no longer exist?

  • @vasekcz
    @vasekcz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    where you find out where what language was?

  • @renatocampos3114
    @renatocampos3114 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    in fact that conquering all of China was a bit of a curse for the Manchu if we divided the dominance of China with the Mings in half, we would have a North China totally in Manchu language,

  • @Gallus0w0
    @Gallus0w0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Idea: History of Basque Language

  • @trygvek
    @trygvek ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sad to see these languages slowly phase out, it truly is a shame

  • @JcDizon
    @JcDizon ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wonder, what if the Manchus/Qing Dynasty just remained in Manchuria and didn't conquer China, would it be a separate nation today that is between Mongolia and Korea?

    • @renatocampos3114
      @renatocampos3114 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      yes all the people around China who maintained their independence or did not try to conquer the whole Chinese Empire managed to keep their language

    • @Wandrative
      @Wandrative ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@renatocampos3114 Except Manchus weren’t exactly city building settled peoples. The Mongols are in a unique situation due to modern politics with Russia.

    • @user-ok9dc5qt8d
      @user-ok9dc5qt8d 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Wandrative It is very difficult to conduct agriculture on the territory of modern Mongolia. And agriculture presupposes settlement. The only possible type of civilization in this territory is nomadic cattle breeding. Nomads have always conquered sedentary farmers, but in the historical perspective, a nomadic lifestyle does not lead to technological progress.

    • @Wandrative
      @Wandrative 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-ok9dc5qt8d
      I dont remember what I was trying to say above.
      Anyway, yeah you are right, but Manchus aren’t really nomads either.
      Manchuria is a highly forested wet place, so the people were either hunter-gatherer or agricultural. Before Manchus and Jurchens It has been where Koreans ruled and came from, and during the tome of Koreans, the land was highly urbanized.

    • @user-ok9dc5qt8d
      @user-ok9dc5qt8d 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Wandrative There was also a Bohai state in the 12th century. Its territory extended even to modern Russia -the Ussuri Region. I wonder what language was spoken in Bohai? Now the territory from the Ural Mountains and east to the Pacific Ocean is completely dominated by the Russian language. The languages of national minorities have been preserved only where the infrastructure is weak. And where ethnic Russians don't want to live.

  • @Land070696
    @Land070696 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Emm. Evenks and Evens in North Sakha and Kamchatka: Am I joke for you? 🙃

    • @koesben9363
      @koesben9363 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its because mostly the people that live there are from the Chutko-Kamtchakan family, the Inuit-Aleut family, Yukaghir family and Itelmen family

    • @Land070696
      @Land070696 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@koesben9363 the author two times deleted my comments. Open "Evenks" in Wikipedia, chose Russian version of Wikipedia and you will see a map of Evenks. Man, really?) they live in places that I told

  • @wankawanka3053
    @wankawanka3053 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn talk about a shift during the end

  • @born_this_way
    @born_this_way ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Were Proto-Tungusic people aware of Siberian Tigers?

  • @kenanhasan9784
    @kenanhasan9784 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍👍👍

  • @user-vb3ur2ec9i
    @user-vb3ur2ec9i ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yessss finalllly

  • @_Painted
    @_Painted ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Let me know what you think of these groupings. Areal relationships of languages in North Eurasia:
    Sino-Tibetan - Mongolic (+Khitan) - Tungusic (Manchu)
    Uralic - Turkic (+ extinct Hunnic) - Mongolic
    Indo-European (Scythians, or maybe all satem branches) - Uralic/Hunnic/Turkic

    • @sade_monqol
      @sade_monqol 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ural-Altaic

    • @jout738
      @jout738 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sade_monqol
      DNA wise their not releated bro. Ural people have the N DNA, while Altaic people have R1 DNA, that is more closely releated to Indo-european people who also have the same DNA. Just because Altaic and Uralic people lived close to eachother dosent mean their releated, when it just made them interact and borrow words from eachother languages, but DNA wise their not even closely releated.

  • @nguyenanh-ki9sr
    @nguyenanh-ki9sr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍👍👍👍

  • @mashiah1
    @mashiah1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What caused the migration of Evenkis in 1200s? Mongol invasion?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, the changes in this period are due to the rapid spread of the Mongols

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CostasMelas probably same reason as the yakut people migrated

    • @NizhnyBall
      @NizhnyBall ปีที่แล้ว

      @@islammehmeov2334 Yakuts are not tungusic

    • @islammehmeov2334
      @islammehmeov2334 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NizhnyBall YES I know my beloved is SAKHA YAKUTSK TURKIC but she is born in ukraine

  • @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
    @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Evenki was distrubuted some of yakut areas today
    Watch karya atakan
    History of yakuts

    • @user-rn6nb2ey7e
      @user-rn6nb2ey7e ปีที่แล้ว

      About 60,000 years ago, C2D1 entered East Asia, and C1 entered Southeast Asia
      About 40,000 years ago,K2 split into MNOPQRS entered East Asia and Siberia from Southeast Asia
      SM remained in Southeast Asia
      NO remained in East Asia
      PQR remained in Siberia
      "Origin of "Proto-Altaic" language=Turkic+Mongolic+Tungusic+Uralic+Koreanic+Japonic"
      R1 dominates Indo-European languages
      R1a dominant Slavs + Indo-Iranians (Pashtuns, Iranians, Indians)
      R1b dominant Western European
      Q dominates Native American,Inuit people, Yenisei people
      N dominates Urals and Yakutia
      O dominate Japanese Korean Chinese
      C2 dominates Mongolian Kazakh Tungusic
      Mongoloid people= East Asians, Austronesians, Altaic people (Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic speaking people), American Indians/Native Americans
      Inuit have 80% Q
      Yakutia have 90%N
      Korean have 80%O
      North Tungusic have 80%C2
      They were completely East Asian physical appearance (what used to be called Mongoloid)

    • @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
      @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-rn6nb2ey7e watch karya atakan history of yakuts

    • @user-rn6nb2ey7e
      @user-rn6nb2ey7e ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 94% of Yakuts belong to haplogroup N-m231
      Haplogroup N originated in the northern part of China in 20,000 years BP and spread to Northern Eurasia, through Siberia to Northern Europe.
      the original turkic people N are very similar to O (chinese,korean,japanese), they came from the same gene haplogroup NO but absolutely different from J(J1+J2/Turkey) Type of east Mediterranean people.

    • @user-rn6nb2ey7e
      @user-rn6nb2ey7e ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 Anatolians always claim their Turkic origins everywhere,but,a fact: It is impossible for two Asian parents to have a white baby (Anatolians)! !
      Wake up Pan Turkic

  • @Canaanitebabyeater
    @Canaanitebabyeater ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can anyone explain how Jurchen spread in China in the early 1200s? I thought the Qing arrived later

  • @delossantosmendezcesarjesu1184
    @delossantosmendezcesarjesu1184 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Idea: history of the Nahuatl language

    • @iroquoianmapper
      @iroquoianmapper ปีที่แล้ว

      I have video about Uto-Aztecan languages on my channel.

    • @valiarsharapov152
      @valiarsharapov152 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      done already 🥳

  • @user-tw4hu4hx6x
    @user-tw4hu4hx6x ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I hope one day a Tongus state will be established.

  • @DeVolksrepubliek
    @DeVolksrepubliek หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about the Avar Khaganate? Didn’t they speak a Tungusic language?

    • @Nastya_07
      @Nastya_07 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That has been suggested, based on a reading of the Buyla inscription, however the theory has been criticized and most scholars argue that the Buyla inscription was most likely written in an Oghur Turkic language.

  • @Yooricsson
    @Yooricsson ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I suggest you combine map animations for Tungus-Manchu, Mongolian and Turkic to show the development of a hypothetical Altaic language family

  • @xXxSkyViperxXx
    @xXxSkyViperxXx ปีที่แล้ว +4

    wonder why they never filled up sakhalin island despite their proximity

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Due to Nivkh (north part) and Ainu (south part) people

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CostasMelas didn't the ainu come later? i suppose the pathway from the north was occupied by nivkh, but the ainu got pushed in from the south, but the tungusics didn't need to as much

    • @koesben9363
      @koesben9363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx the nivkh came later when sakhalin had no population except some ruins of a bronze age civilization (maybe the nivkh are descendants of the first yayoi people in east asia mixed with the bronze age sakhalin people, that people may have been descendants of the first wave of human arrival in the bering strait), the ainu are the descendants of the jōmon that came to east asia (just like the bronze age sakhalin people), aproximately in the year 20.000 bc they arrived to the japanese islands Including Hokkaido, after some time they expanded to the kuril islands and the southern bit of sakhalin, the tungusic people (orok and nanai) may have arrived to sakhalin after the Ainu and Nivkh, and their presence took new technologies to the island, but they did not mixed with each other cuz their traditions were different and limited getting married with other people outside their tribes, today the Nivkh language and culture is living a "revival" because their people are speaking it more frecuently and they have foundations to preserve their legacy just like the ainu, they are even trying to make it a co-official language with the russian, orok and nanai in the sakhalin oblast ✨

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@koesben9363 why yayoi? yayoi came later to japan after jomon already. how would older nivkh be yayoi?

    • @koesben9363
      @koesben9363 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx yes, it still a question that i cannot respond, i shouldnt put that Nivkh are descendants from yayoi, sorry. Researchers are trying to find a conection but there is probably none, Nivkh may be descendants of the bronze age culture from sakhalin or descendants of the First humans to get to siberia (just like the ket, het and other people from the area, except that ket and het are Distant relatives to the Na-Dene peoples in north america)

  • @user-mv7xi1ey4z
    @user-mv7xi1ey4z ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mongolic languages are next

  • @user-fw9lq6zm1z
    @user-fw9lq6zm1z ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What are your plans after this?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Probably Mongol Language

    • @user-fw9lq6zm1z
      @user-fw9lq6zm1z ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s one of what I want to watch the most!

    • @user-fw9lq6zm1z
      @user-fw9lq6zm1z ปีที่แล้ว

      The following are my request.
      It’s difficult to describe early history of the language families such as Dravidian and Afro-Asiatic. But don’t forget you do not have to start from Proto-Language.
      I think it’s premature to take up Japonic. The position of 上代東国語“Eastern Old Japanese” haven’t discovered yet. Some argue that it is EOJ that branched off first of the three*, and others disagree. Some argue EOJ is ancestor of modern dialects of eastern japan, and others disagree.
      *Proto-Ryūkyūan, Old Japanese, Eastern Old Japanese

  • @MZKEEKO_
    @MZKEEKO_ หลายเดือนก่อน

    The sad music though

  • @x-lendrow806
    @x-lendrow806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you make spread of Ural-Altaic language theory then spread of Mongolic languages next?

    • @scythianturk2526
      @scythianturk2526 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Altaic language family does not exist, and no linguist accepts it!The Altaic language is the propaganda of yellow people nationalism.There is no Ural-Altaic language family.Turkic and Mongolian origin are different.

    • @x-lendrow806
      @x-lendrow806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@scythianturk2526 I said theory.

    • @scythianturk2526
      @scythianturk2526 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@x-lendrow806 The theory has been debunked. Just political propaganda! There is no linguistic basis.

  • @PewTheToaster
    @PewTheToaster ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a Historian, The most terrific kind of horror is when you know what's going to happen before it happens.

  • @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad
    @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why did they die so fast?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      They were mostly sparse populations, so when their areas were settled by more populous Chinese and Slavs they quickly turned into minorities

  • @OurNomadicAncestor900BCE
    @OurNomadicAncestor900BCE ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Mongolia 🇲🇳 Love from Tungusic people.(Evenk,Evens People)
    And, Speaks 10% are same with Mongol speaks. But, 90% are not same

  • @sugra978
    @sugra978 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Poor Manchus, absolutely they could not estimated their empire will kill their language.

    • @leohe2594
      @leohe2594 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or more like that huge mass of poor Han Chinese they benefited from taxes would later cost them their homeland and language

    • @sugra978
      @sugra978 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know about that. Qing government forbid Chinese from settling Manchuria. Also they built Willow Palisade for prevent that but Manchu landowners hired Chinese workers for their lands because of their cheapness and government relocated some Han population into Manchuria because they lost their lands due to natural disasters. Later on, some Chinese population and outlaws migrated to Manchuria illegally and that maked palisade ineffective. At last, during 19th century, growed Chinese population assimilated Manchu people. For years, more Manchu learned Chinese and implemented Chinese culture to their life and they forgot their language.

    • @ZlHl1999
      @ZlHl1999 ปีที่แล้ว

      The culture of the Manchus is backward, and the civilization of the Han Chinese is more advanced than them, so it is inevitable for them to be assimilated

  • @Andriy-ym1pr
    @Andriy-ym1pr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Кто жил в Восточной Сибири до прихода тунгусов?

    • @metowa9413
      @metowa9413 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Различные палеоазиаты, юкагиры и чукотко-камчатские народы например

  • @SK-zi3sr
    @SK-zi3sr หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That’s kinda sad ngl

  • @MansionByBeach1
    @MansionByBeach1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now do American Indian languages

  • @ZlHl1999
    @ZlHl1999 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Manchus were quickly assimilated after they entered China, and their language almost disappeared.

  • @h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777
    @h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Although I am not an Tungusic neither an Altaic which is not an actual family but still old Turkic, Mongolic and Tungusic people look the same but still I feel it . Our eastern brothers East Iranian Sakas are also extinct now.

    • @islammehmeov2334
      @islammehmeov2334 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually the SAKHA are not extinct they are in SIBERIA and same are in ukraine thanks to SHITI stalin my girlfriend is SAKHA born in Ukraine

    • @h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777
      @h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@islammehmeov2334 did you understand that Sakas are Schythians an Iranic cacaussian looking red haired tribe and Sakhas are Yakuts an Turkic Mongoloids tribe .

    • @islammehmeov2334
      @islammehmeov2334 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@h2eroskoryosaryakaraaryani777 ONLY TURKIC not Mongolians but TURKIC PEOPLE live with Iranian people and it's very possible that sum Sakas mixed with TURKIC and become SAKHA I mean the word's Sakas and SAKHA are were close so

    • @user-rn6nb2ey7e
      @user-rn6nb2ey7e ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So the Proto-Turks were pure Mongoloids🙂

    • @islammehmeov2334
      @islammehmeov2334 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-rn6nb2ey7e TURKIC PEOPLE EXISTED BEFORE mongols LoL

  • @Diegootam
    @Diegootam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ¿El mayor nerfeo de la historia?: Mongoles, urálicos, mesopotámicos, italianos, peruanos
    El mayor nerfeo de la historia:

  • @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
    @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dolgans are Turkified tungusic ethinic group

  • @noahtylerpritchett2682
    @noahtylerpritchett2682 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow. This language family looks dying isn't it?

  • @vasekcz
    @vasekcz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🙊😿

  • @MarkoPolo867
    @MarkoPolo867 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The big mistake of these videos is that they show the formal spread of languages, without taking into account the density of populations and the number of their speakers.
    And just the Tungusic languages are a good example, since there have always been very few native speakers of these languages in vast territories, in Asia, Siberia, Mongolia and China, and they were a minority among the Turks, Mongols or Chinese, yes, they could be ruling dynasties or a military estate, or even hunter tribesmens and like Evenks, Warriors and rulers Manchurs, but they were less than 10% the population of these territories. Therefore, it is impossible to show them so categorically as if they were so common. This is a big mistake and misleading. And Manchurs has never been to Kazakhstan, only delegations of officials and ambassadors

  • @getjve4igz2xhln6gcj6
    @getjve4igz2xhln6gcj6 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:05 о я здесь живу

    • @bolshie_yaytsa
      @bolshie_yaytsa ปีที่แล้ว

      Далеко

    • @NizhnyBall
      @NizhnyBall ปีที่แล้ว

      Ты тунгусо-маньчжур?

    • @getjve4igz2xhln6gcj6
      @getjve4igz2xhln6gcj6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NizhnyBall нет, обычный житель Обычнозалупинска

    • @ZlHl1999
      @ZlHl1999 ปีที่แล้ว

      God! it's very cold there

  • @user-rn6nb2ey7e
    @user-rn6nb2ey7e ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About 60,000 years ago, C2D1 entered East Asia, and C1 entered Southeast Asia
    About 40,000 years ago,K2 split into MNOPQRS entered East Asia and Siberia from Southeast Asia
    SM remained in Southeast Asia
    NO remained in East Asia
    PQR remained in Siberia
    About 30,000 years ago, QR separated
    About 20,000 years ago R went to Europe and Q went to America
    Therefore, Native Americans:Q1 C2 R1
    As the climate began warming at around 18,000 years ago, the Beringia region also became more moist and the sea level rose,submerging the land bridge .
    About 10,000-15,000 years ago, N1O2 entered Mongolia and mixed with C2Q1R1
    About 5000-10000 years ago
    Xiongnu/(C2 N1a O2a Q1)+ R1a→Xianbei → Rouran → Turkic Empire →Mongol Empire→ Qing Empire
    Mongolian=53,8%C2+10,8%O2+10,8%N1+4,6%P* (xQ,R)+9,2%R1a
    Ulch people
    34.6%C2(xM48, M407)
    34.6% C2b1a2
    11.5% O2, 1.9% O1a,1.9% O1b
    5.8%Q-M242
    5.8%N-M231
    Then,proto-Altaic people split into two groups N1a and O2a+C2
    1,N1a enter Siberia,they became the Neo-Siberians and Northern tungus (absorb Paleo-Siberians Q1+C2)
    2,O2a+C2 enter the Korean peninsula,where they assimilated the earlier inhabitants of the peninsula(O1b).
    During the Yayoi period, haplogroup O1b2+O2a started to arrive and spreaded to every region of Japan.
    Origin of Japanese: Jomon (D1a2+C1a1) + Korean peninsula /Yayoi (O2a+O1b2).
    Korean=42.1%O2a+3.1%O1a+ 12.9%C2+ 3.8 %N1+ 33.4%O1b
    + 1.8%Q1+2.5%D
    Janpanese=
    15-20%O2a
    3-8%C1+C2
    3%N1
    30-35%O1b
    35-40%D
    3,Historians believe that the Huns were not a single ethnicity but a confederation-like grouping of Siberian natives(N1a Q1 C2) and Indo-European tribes(R1aR1b,Old European(I )).
    The Slavs, Hungarians, Finns are among their descendants.
    4,The modern Turkic people are a mixture of Eurasian People. These includes Indo-Iranian and Indo-European tribes of Central Asia who becomes Turkic for 2000 years ago.
    "Origin of "Proto-Altaic" language=Turkic+Mongolic+Tungusic+Uralic+Koreanic+Japonic"
    R1 dominates Indo-European languages
    R1a dominant Slavs + Indo-Iranians (Pashtuns, Iranians, Indians)
    R1b dominant Western European
    Q dominates Native American,Inuit people, Yenisei people
    N dominates Urals and Yakutia
    O dominate Japanese Korean Chinese
    C2 dominates Mongolian Kazakh Tungusic
    Mongoloid people= East Asians, Austronesians, Altaic people (Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic speaking people), American Indians/Native Americans
    Inuit have 80% Q
    Yakutia have 90%N
    Korean have 80%O
    North Tungusic have 80%C2
    They were completely East Asian physical appearance (what used to be called Mongoloid)

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Source doesn’t exist😂

    • @scythianturk2526
      @scythianturk2526 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Altaic language does not exist, and no linguist has accepted Altaic,Altaic language is Yellow Nationalist Propaganda.

  • @jesusishereandalive
    @jesusishereandalive ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John3:16

  • @suhnih4076
    @suhnih4076 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Free Manchuria

  • @KuperKembelli
    @KuperKembelli ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I found only the text in Evenic, for those who are interested, here is the text:
    Bėyil bökėtchur ömėn hilkich nyan urumkėr baldaritno, temn noṅarduk ėqd'ėn ṅi da achcha, Bėyil bökėtchur mėn dolan akaqchimur binnėtyn

  • @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781
    @muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Free manchuria

  • @salsaproductions5859
    @salsaproductions5859 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blame Russia and China

  • @Kristian.Stankov
    @Kristian.Stankov ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First!

  • @mgplayzxd3062
    @mgplayzxd3062 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Free Manchuria

    • @leohe2594
      @leohe2594 ปีที่แล้ว

      From?
      Manchuria are the three regions the most supportive of the Communist government lmao